The only objective truth is that everything is subjective. We

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>>19424560
Ja, this debate can go on for centuries.

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>>19424560
>The only objective truth is that everything is subjective.

>>19424635
A lot of things are relative to the observer but there are outside influences. Continue on your path op, you will discover this soon probably. If there's anything I've learned on my spiritual path it's when you think you have all the answers, you don't

>>19424657
Outside influences require an observer, otherwise for all intents and purposes it doesn't exist.

>>19424635
Well explain how it's wrong then

>>19424657
By observer meaning something which can perceive the effects of those outside influences which act on the observer

>>19424657
That's what I mean, other observers. I do believe some observers aren't visible to the naked eye and are influencing you

>>19424560
>The only objective truth is that everything is subjective.
That's a formal contradiction which means the alternative must be true.

>>19424676
If there are no subjects to experience these effects of outside influences, then that nullifies the very existence of those influences because for anything to occur there as to be something perceiving it, whether that be good himself or an ant(assuming they have consciousness

>>19424678
Both are to sides of the same coin>>19424685

>>19424675
Yes. The observer sees the effects of other observers. With no observers before you there'd be nothing to observe. It had to influence you in some way and I think some observers are invisible to the naked eye

>>19424685
Whoops, meant *god not good

>>19424693
Yea if I'm reading you right these two posts appear to be on the same page >>19424685
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>>19424691
>>19424691
Our fundamental being, the Self is the totality of everything we experience. If there is no self there can't be anything. Consciousness is fundamental

>>19424698
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>>19424691
Meant these two

>>19424699
Nice dubs and yes this is basically how it work. In a way the observer becomes a creator

>>19424691
But aside from visual sensation I mean being able to experience the effects of these invisible entities whether through vision or hearing or basically any sensation. There has to be a Self in the first place in order to be able to effect it

Consciousness is an enclosed system. Because perception is fundamental nothing can take place outside of it. If it did take place then it is within the realm of awareness, otherwise it's like being knocked unconscious temporarily and waking up. The events that occurred during the time frame of unconsciousness didn't happen at all for the subject

>>19424710
You mean the original self, as in god is interacting through himself, giving pieces of himself amnesia to experience everything. Sorry if I'm misunderstanding. I like this thread btw this is my kind of conversation

>>19424717
Pretty much it seems that's what it comes down to. No matter what angle I take it comes back to the same vague conclusion that subjectivity is fundamental

>>19424560
Ok that's cool but turn based games like final fantasy are boring trash.

>>19424729
Philosophy is the original containment board for emotional wrecks. Except for
Socrates I think who was an athlete.

>>19424729
Maybe that's what he's doing. What if he used the pieces of himself to write great events and stories throughout the cosmos. It's his entertainment. He probably sends figures like Jesus to really make it interesting. Because I'm definitely a Christian but this is my understanding as well. You take away all the observers and eventually it'd have to lead back to a source who honestly if was the only thing in existence would be quite lonely

>>19424746
You aren't perfect hun