Enochian...

Btw I'm a girl

If you can't answer these questions from your experience, what business do you have with angels?

For anyone who works closely with a particular angelic entity, what Name were you given when you asked? Did they tell you one?
What does the name mean?
What did they look like if they chose to manifest themselves to you in the astral?
If they didn't show you or you don't know how to view it yet, did you get them to help you within or even shape dreams for you?
Was there more than one form they showed you? Describe them.
How have you seen them manifest in the physical-material plane beyond shifting apparant coincidence?
Any poltergeist-esque activity?
Does your patron/guard/guide of choice have a particular flavor of personality to their behavior?

>>19395857
lol

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Tell me more.

>>19395853 Are you talking about Enochian magic?
- It's not magick. It's magic.
- It's hard to learn.
- It's hard to practice. This system is not for newcomers.
- It's probably not angels.
- It can fuck you. Like really. Some people reported bizarre experiences with this system.

>>19395996
Magick is the proper term for a lot of it.
And if you're following the spirit-guide's pace for you for the most part, seems like learning it wouldn't be such a big problem in the end.
In what way can it fuck you?
Physically? Emotionally?
Screw with what to form what kind of bizarre experiences?

>>19396011 Don't bother with this system unless you are experienced in magic. It won't do you any good. Also you are too young. Good luck.

bumping for interest. I picked up an old book called Enochian Physics or something like that and it seems to be pretty legit. why should i b so cautious with it?

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>>19396034
This is the book

>>19395857
Tits?

Enochian is extremely effective just understand you are dealing with Fallen Angels....

>>19396052
Isn't working Goetic dealing with Fallen Angels...
...And Enochian dealing with the Angels of God?

Schueler: An Advanced Guide to Enochian Magick
That's a good resource you can download online.

>>19396096
Also check out 'Summoning Spirits by Konstantinos'.

>>19396096
ah, so i wasted a good 15 bucks on my hardcopy?

>>19396096
Both systems are working with the Fallen Angels.

The Enochian angels are no different except they dont admit what they are. The Aethyrs is just the Second Heaven where they are trappe Madame...

>>19396099
I can't find the exact place right now, but search engine should find a download file somewhere.

Here's a fun super-resource with lots of stuff though.
Have fun!
https://mega.nz/#F!AE5yjIqB!y7Vdxdb5pbNsi2O3zyq9KQ!hFgXxLqS

>>19396116
you kick ass anon, so much fucking ass

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I've noticed crystalline structure as a theme when it comes to the Cherubin.

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Dominions are like the gods and goddesses of old classical mythology.
6th Choir, top of the 2nd of 3 classes.

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Watch out of tricksters and always challenge entities in the name of Christ to ensure it's actually the entity you think it is. Demons of your mind or external things of ill intent will take advantage of you if you don't. Demand it disperse of any illusions or falsehoods. Eventually you can develop your discernment, at least with entities you're familiar with so you don't have to double-check all the time.

>>19395853
Yeah, this is more or less like asking why should children not be taught Schodinger's Atomic model.

Enochian magic's not for the beginners. ALTHOUGH some experienced magicians such as Lon Milo Duquette claim otherwise.

It requires you to do a lot and research a lot, for starters you can't simply 'jump in' into Enochian.

It requires time of research and understanding. And the angels seem to be agnostic to human needs, or downright careless.

Enochian magic is called scary because it works just by reciting words written in the language given.

I doubt Enochian angels are demons btw, because if they were, there would be no warnings on the demons contained in the elemental tablets, nor would there be any connection with the long enochian calls that do nothing but praise god.

What could be however, is that these angels do not fit in the westerner interpretation of angels. This could be confirmed by the rejection of the figure of Jesus and the lack of acknowledgement of the Holy Spirit.

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Sometimes you've gotta just jump in the deep end of the pool and sink or swim. Survive the shit by following advice and you'll be the stronger for it. You just won't be happy while you're coughing up water.
:3
If you wanna go REAL dangerous and quick in development, just go for lucid meditation and call on those angels daily to make a bond with directly rather than bothering with any of the special control symbols and props.

DO IT!

>>19396380
Do this if you desire unfortunate things to happen including and not limited to death.
If anything they don't want to bind to you.
They'd find you annoying and would hurt or kill you.

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I was going to make my own thread on this but I may as well simply ask here.
I'm going to be blunt with you /x/, I'm less than a novice when it comes to magick and what not, however I've set my eyes on Enochian magic and if I can be honest with you I've been drawn to it for years. Year after year I've flirted with the possibility of learning this (and only this, I don't get these urges for any other form of magick. Not a single other one.) but I've always backed off before delving in. I don't think I can stop my self this time though, I want this, I really do.

I've heard the warnings about this particular school of magick, believe me, but the well of knowledge it seemingly promises is far too intriguing for me to pass up on this time.

I'm no fool though, I don't plan on making contact or anything without thoroughly researching and reading about this.
So my question is plain.

Do any of you see any issues with me utilizing Enochian magick, and only Enochian magick? I'm going to stick to one thing and become as potent as I can with it, rather than stretching myself out, and what better to do this with than the elusive Enochian system?

>>19396233
That's your clue right there anon...

>>19395853
>If it's the most powerful form of magick as is widely reported, why shouldn't I go for it rather than another system?

Unlike other systems of magic, when you're ready, they come for you. If you aren't, you will be deliberately misled.

So, I ask, are you ready?

>>19395872
>What did they look like if they chose to manifest themselves to you in the astral?

A better question might e, how did they manifest on the physical plane?

>>19396034
>>19396045
>Enochian Physics

Trash, basically.

>>19396052
>you are dealing with Fallen Angels....

Not really.

>>19396110

Kinda djumb.

>>19396233
>experienced magicians such as Lon Milo Duquette

zozzle

>Enochian magic is called scary because it works just by reciting words written in the language given.

Not really.

>What could be however, is that these angels do not fit in the westerner interpretation of angels.

In general, they do.

>>19395853
>Angels
Those are demons, YHWH is the devil.

>>19396380
>If you wanna go REAL dangerous and quick in development, just go for lucid meditation

kek

>>19396577
>Do any of you see any issues with me utilizing Enochian magick, and only Enochian magick?

Yeah. Enochian isn't self-contained. You'll need a firm grounding in Agrippa, for example.

>>19396577
Working purely with angels of and eventually God with the angels seemed to work pretty well for Moses, King Solomon, Abraham, and so many others.
I say go for it.

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>>19397145
Funny thig is thry actually DO react strongly positive towards the Name of Jesus.
You just need to make it clear that you're working off the New Covenant as a child of God through Christ rather than the Old Covenant alone.

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>>19397180
No, YHVH/Jehovah is the golden light of Truth, the 'Word' of God first spoken at the dawn of creation just as Jesus is manifest as that Word made to Flesh, and thusly the highest spiritual manifestation of the I AM.
He is the One the Angels call Father.

>>19396577
Dubs of 7s. Someone likes the idea.

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>>19395872
>what Name were you given when you asked?
Mikael (pronounced Me-kai-el)
>What does the name mean?
"Who is like God?"
>What did they look like?
Energetic light body with wings, pretty traditional image
>How have you seen them manifest in the physical-material plane beyond shifting apparent coincidence?
Never seen them in person. Only one time I knew for sure they were there, though. My friend was turning and the light turned green. We were almost smashed on my side by an incoming car. Then, mysteriously, I felt a presence and the car shifted and we were safe. It was divine intervention.
>Any poltergeist-esque activity?
Only if I ask for a sign that they are there. Usually is some small act, like telling me to look somewhere and find something completely in line with what I needed.
>personality to their behavior?
Doesn't like to be called upon unless I actually need it, and in most cases I don't

>>19395853
i wanna fuck some of those monsters man, also is this a reliable source of info? https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/lost-art-of-enochian-magic-john-desalvo/1102122944?ean=9781594773440

This whole thread reads like a bunch of people struggling to follow along to the same roll play, but they just keep arguing over the rules.

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>>19397689
There have always been a structure of rules to play. But given the amount of complexity inherent to the overall system of spiritual existence, not to mention the alternatives of perspective and colorings of metaphor involved in the personal journeys, circumnavigating things can lead to a variety of different assumptions. Nonetheless there are clear patterns and standards that arise after research of what works, what doesn't, and basic standards of agreed-upon truth that work equally to the same upward route of mobility. The specifics often have to do with what you specifically want out of life and how high you are capable or willing to rise, especially given sacrifice and hardship or at least settling of internal strife which is difficult are inherent aspects in learning and internalizing the lessons and self-structuring that lead to greater understanding of the self/purpose and accordingly higher levels of power in general.
Science is a methodology. Wisdom is a lifestyle and ongoing path by choice. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
We're ALWAYS learning and we won't ever know enough so long as we are in the flesh. We can discover enough to inspire us, challenge and change our perspectives, get spiritual aid by thinning the barriers with certain entities, and ultimately shape the direction of our own soul by Will and Practice though.

It's not just a game. Some people take this stuff deadly serious.
It's scientific research into mixed theology and advanced physics and finding the connections between the two to apply them alongside your own self-discoveries and alterations of psychology and observation by interacting with your deep subconscious through meditation techniques and coloring the results with foreign energy fields hostile or benign.
Takes time.

Rules are rules but they're often slippery to nail down.

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Git Angel Waifu?

They told Dee and Kelley to swap wives...is that Holy angels to you???

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If you wanna alter reality it's the Merkaba or nothing imo. I don't need to call upon other beings. But I have before. They're not as strong as your own willpower, that's something people can't grasp.

>>19399438
Altering reality with merkaba? Wat? Isn't merkaba a vehicle?

>>19395853
Humans can't use Enochian magic,as for angels they're up there they may be the most powerful spirits to help but I;m not sure.

>>19395872
Uriel,Metatron,Annabelle and Semuel. Showed themselves to me by possessing people,dreams and when the eye is open as an orb.Those three entities all have their style.

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>>19399438
How's Merkaba work?
>>19399605
Using angel magick by working with angels. They can teach you how and help you to strengthen your astral body and learn some powerful human-capable tricks though.
>>19399613
Seraphiel and Michael seemed much stronger than Metatron when viewed, but he and Maty may have been only partial manifestations or something. Michael's bro-tier, Seraphiel is scary as fuck and doesn't like to be bothered unless it's important. Not much of a social butterfly.

I saw one of the scary looking angels. He was basically a humanoid made out of fire, much bigger than a normal man with a flaming sword. Lots of orange and red flames.

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>>19399854
Where? In the Aethyrs?

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>>19399854
Like 8-9 feet? Or hundreds?

>>19399768
Oh yeah that's true and as for Michael I don't like him much and vice versa never met the other one though.

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>>19400308
Head of the choir of Seraphim. Possibly the strongest of the angels below the trinity faces of God, but I dunno for certain.

>>19400359
The strongest angel would be Lucifer but yeah Michael is the strongest non fallen one.

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>>19399768
I'm not sure but mine is always spinning. The activated merkaba is like a disk and it's axle is in your taint, but you "spin" it using the third eye and special breathing techniques

If Enochian magic is real what implications does it have on our understanding of Christianity? Like have we found out anything important about Christianity through using it?

>>19400133
I had basically completely let go of my physical form, and was manifesting truth through light language in my heart. Then I started seeing memories fast forwarded all at once, then I saw that being crossing swords with other angels that appeared more human like.

>>19400251
Yea maybe 10 or 12 feet.

>>19397419

Do you even understand the name meaning, the question mark casts doubt on him being godlike. That's because Michael is the snake eating the other snake's tail. A demon with a sense of justice but a demon still. Do you think angels kill demons by going at war with them like Mike does? They don't, they focus solely on purity and positivity/life. Your friend is a demonic entity, many are found disguised in the bible.

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WHOLE lotta misinfo in here.

>>19400426
Separated from the Source-Light of Creation/God, wouldn't the fallen Lucifer now be significantly the weakest by a large margin? Stolen strength wouldn't be enough to maintain what he once possessed from an infinite well.
Possibly part of why he's so angry about it; w/ what was taken, his Pride took a hit.
>>19400495
It means the miracles of the past aren't stuck solely in the past, even the grand ones of the prophets, and the countless daily stories of modern-day miracles probably aren't so exaggerated as modern media likes to proclaim.
Some missionaries probably use it.
People believe what they experience and a LOT of people have claimed and continue to claim the intervention of Angels in their life at some point, even if most may keep such stories to their inner circle to avoid perceptions of ridicule or loss of status.

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>>19400547

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>>19400556

>>19400524
Wouldn't it be more of a question?
"Who is like God?"
The answer is nobody. And Michael stands against those who see themselves as God instead.

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>>19400569

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>>19400586

>>19400550
Actually, in angel lore, Lucifer was the smartest and most brilliant which is why he was chosen to create a reality separate from source. Archangel Michael put forth free will into this world, and they both actually like each other. It's like an experiment for them.

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>>19400593
>93

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>>19400599

>>19400308

Interesting that magicians always manage to meet angels like Michael - super-commander of the forces of Heaven, the next dude in charge of Creation after the Holy Trinity - rather than Bill, Junior Angel 4th Class.

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>>19400615
If you're doing anything even remotely interesting, Michael probably has a Need to Know.

However this ignores the deluge of obscure/otherwise unknown angels in the Enochian corpus (Ave, Nalvage, etc.)

>>19400611

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>>19400622

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>>19400624

>>19400575
No, that doesnt make sense. Your name meaning can't be a question you ask to others. The question is about the name/person itself.

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>>19400630

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>>19400643

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>>19400646

>>19400599

Calculate your whole post number moron, it's 13 or 4. The number of deception and death.

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>>19400647

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>>19400651
K
1+9+4+0+0+5+9+9=37
3+7=10
http://www.billheidrick.com/works/hgm1.htm#10

>>19400652

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>>19400664

>>19400664

Lmao you forgot the 3 at the end. 37 + 3 = 40 = 4

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>>19400671

>>19400673
?
I've never seen condensation run like that.

In either case:
http://www.billheidrick.com/works/hgm1.htm#4
http://www.billheidrick.com/works/hgm1.htm#13

>>19400684

Sorry but youre retarded, you didn't even calculate your complete number, you forgot the last one and you think it's about a different condensation method. Secondly, 4 is the number of death, try other links than your biased garbage.

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>>19400611
Because people actively seek them out.
Mostly out of curiousity.
And seeing as their nature is spiritually a different sort of existence, theu can split their attention in so many ways that it's not an inconvenience.

Honestly though, the primary angels I work with aren't even listed officially. Still translated the abrahamic Names I was given which turned out to be legitimate though.

Another reason why people say the 'big names' for guardians and the like is because of the angel in question has any sort of connection to them, it makes positive interaction easier to let the magician assume.
Like if your guardian was assigned to you my Michael or one of his subordinates, upon being asked, your angel might tell you that they are (from) Michael('s sphere of influence). Or (under) Michael('s authority).
They aren't lying. We just pick up the one word out of the conversation and run woth it thinking we're oh so special and unique.
Big angels as constructs of light and purpose get designed by God. Those angels from there can design others alongside others which spirals down into a big color of variety.

Can give the examples of mine if you'd like. Try calling upon them. I somehow doubt anybody's going to be binding or inconveniencing a risen cherubim like my primary patron entity (I mainly deal with two 'siblings') when even a fallen one like asmodai can make fools of experts for long millenia.

>>19400701
>Sorry but youre retarded
Well, you told me to look at my post number, and I did, for the one you replied to, and not the original.

For the original, it's 1+9+4+0+0+5+9+3 = 31
http://www.billheidrick.com/works/hgm1.htm#31
Condensing to 4.
Which again is >>19400684
>http://www.billheidrick.com/works/hgm1.htm#4

>Try other links than the only full catalog of the original system of Gematria
Like?

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>>19397842
A bit wordy but... <3

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Does music help in any way?
Any good song recommendations? I'd assume gospel would be what they'd like.

>>19400550
no rules like that don't apply to archangels

>>19400611
well I'm not a magician and I started with low ball angels,only ever met Michael twice.

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>>19400712

>>19400597
Links for individual angel lores?

>>19400524
It's a question, "Who is like God?"
I am a questioner. I think it is a beautiful question. Who among you is like God? Who among is like the Eternal Divine? If you answer, "I am", you are not. Mikael is not God. He would never claim to be. But we can always seek to be like God, in that we have love and compassion for others. You are ignorant. Do not speak of things you of which you have no comprehension. You will only lose allies who seek peace and understanding. I've interacted with demons, they are nothing in comparison to the presence of angels. Especially archangels.

>>19396052
If there are fallen angels, they're here on Earth with us.

>>19397419
Me-kai-el is Michael, you're spelling his name wrong.

>>19399327
They didn't HAVE to do it. They had no obligation to. It was a test and they failed. The Divinity looked into their deepest desires and made them reality.

>>19401997
And in what we call space...

>>19400702
Please tell me more about Asmodeus?

>>19402204
Nope, they become human. No 'fallen' Divinities operate 'Extraterrestrial' "bodies." Divinities emanate the bodies so they're different from ours, human bodies are the 'fallen' state.

>>19399605
>Humans can't use Enochian magic

Actually true, to some extent.

>>19400495
>Like have we found out anything important about Christianity through using it?

Yeah. Christianity, as usually conceived, is too simplistic.

>>19401897
>I've interacted with demons,
A stupid claim, presented without compelling evidence and rejected without need for justification.

On the other hand if you could describe some reliable method to test for 'demons', measurable in its accuracy you'd actually be useful, rather than an idiot preaching to the choir.

Lets say that your experiences (bullshit) were genuine, how then would we conclude the source? Rely on your testimony? Its a trivial claim, after all.

What a load of bollocks.

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>>19402225
A partner to the Leviathan/Lilith, full presence is in the plane of Abaddon (Sheol/Apollyon/Hell), Cthonic God or Fallen Angel depending on perspective, supposedly son of Adam and a demon, lusted after Bathsheba [who may or may not have been a human incarnation of the angel Elisheba(God is my Oath)], was imprisoned and forced to help build a temple by King Solomon, hates water and birds because they remind him of God, heavily limited in influence by Raphael specifically, incredibly deceptive and possesses a primal cunning.

Also he's an asshole who will literally get potential summoners killed or ruined if they're not incredibly careful and he feels like it. There are a LOT of bad accounts with that guy and he's considered the most dangerous of the Goetic 72 for reasonable application of reason.

>>19402328
And when anybody delves into theology on any level they find that it was never simplistic to begin with.
That's where faith starts most importantly, but growth takes a whole lot more into account and practice.

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Praise God.
Praise Christ.
Fight and Learn.
Fight the Darkness.

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Deus Vult?

I'm gonna bump this.

>>19402726
no embrace the darkness and it will forgive you for being wrong.

>>19401871
There's a single book written by one man who was tasked with great learning and teaching, if the whole thing is true, he was sought out by the Mother Earth (subconscious) and Father Sun (Higher Self) Arch-angels who taught him higher knowledge. The taught him much, and he only speaks of this stuff briefly in a sort of obscure chapter in this book here
> It's "The Secret of the Flower of Life."

>>19402418
Demons can only live inside people.
I can sense them i think...

>>19405518
What mate

>>19405556
It's actually two books, kinda weird reads. Try Amazon.
>Drunvalo Melchizedek is the interesting fella's name

>>19402328
Yeah I know my shit

>>19405582
Hmmmm that is an interesting name...

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"Why aren't you a Christian yet, Anon? I'd love you to be. Follow the Light of God because Deus Vult."

>>19401897

I once inquired about him and seconds later I saw clouds forming in the sky showing a snake eating another snake by its tail. Maybe he's still an archangel but by his destructive function, he doesn't seek to be like God. Like you said, we can seek to be like God, but Michael doesn't even try. Most People named Michael, Mike or Mikael are also ruthless and often predatory (but with a sense of justice). The Gabriel's I know of usually have a much closer to God nature.

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How many entities is it recommended to actually work with at a time?

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Fighting the inner darkness to turn the soul clean. That's the big benefit because the clearer the reflection from the I AM to your outward self, the more of that creative energy you can direct towards manifesting changes in the surrounding reality.
And by working with your choice of entity heavily enough, you can give them more authority to manifest changes for you in assistance.

Question is: Besides learning and growing in your Faith, what do you want out of practice and life in general? Delve deep and find out.

Are you a warrior? A soldier of God?
Or something else?

>>19395853
You must be connected in spirit to the Creator, the father of us all to do enochian magic. The old system has been done away with. Angles are not corruptable as demons are, they serve the supreme God. You can't simply bargain favors from them.

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Inspire yourself.
And yeah, they won't want anything you can offer them because they already have all their needs met.
They can still strongly appreciate gestures but they have to be honest and from the heart rather than deceptive. Just make a request.

>>19405582
>Drunvalo Melchizedek
Please don't use that charlatan's name and expect to be taken seriously. Look into what his ex-followers thought of his actions and behavior. Dude was convinced he was a reincarnation of a different important figure every other week, following binges.

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>>19397689
>>Roll

>>19396218
Doesn't the Bible explicitly forbid any form of sorcery? If that is the case, then using Jesus' name will be in vain. God will still leave you in the void after you die. Or the lake of fire.

>>19407665
Jesus is the ultimate deceiver if you follow him when he shows back up you will die.

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>>19406618

The Bible is all well and good but has been altered innumerable times by men looking to satisfy not the Divine but themselves. Take it with a grain of salt.

>>19405612

Remains to be seen.

>>19406920
>Angles are not corruptable as demons are

The 90s and 120s are. Crooked fucks.

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>>19407665
Not precisely. And sorcery is separate from magick overall, instead a specific subsection relating to practices that will more than likely get you hurt so are better to avoid all together as a general rule- such as working with and invoking hostile entities of the Fallen and thusly not drifting but running headlong into temptation and away from God while dirtying the soul rather than cleaning it.
Any sort of this work is dangerous and thus requires an iron will.

Moses did magic but he was in tune with God. As did every other holy man and miracle worker throughout biblical history.
Reason for most shying away outright is people being lazy and easily deceived.
But if you're going to be involved in maximizing your spiritual progression rather than being inert/complacent about it, if you're interested in being Wise, you need to know methods of achieving that growth safely.

Every person powerful in the Lord has worked with the Holy Spirit and usually the Angels of God to get to that point.

If you think God hates that you love him more and are more concretely aware of his presence/existence to cement your faith in Him, you're kidding yourself.
Scaring people from exploring their relationship with God with a misattributed snippet of a quote is one of the biggest victories that evil has claimed in this world.

And don't forget that the Old Covenant was remade anew under Christ Jesus.

>>19408420

Silly shit.

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>>19408546
You may assume incorrectly.

By practicing it you give power to the invading entity that took this world prisoner and purged all of its original inhabitants. "Angels" are automaton/biological chimeras that serve this entity.

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>>19408932
He doesn't need any 'power' that we can supposedly give Him.
You do speak of the Flood caused by the God of the Bible, correct? Because yes the Angels are independent living constructs of light and purpose who serve Him.

Where you aee wrong beyond that is the idea that the world was 'taken over'. It wasn't, but rather is a lower expression of God. Radiated light energy corrupted and brought down to near cthonic placement.
The word is a PART of God and He is found in all things if you look close enough.

You are no exception.
You have always been a part of and belonged to God. He didn't steal you or enslave you, silly rebellious child.

>>19409277
>He doesn't need any 'power' that we can supposedly give Him.
Not in the direct sense but in the sense of feeding its ego.

>You do speak of the Flood caused by the God of the Bible, correct?
Not the flood, I speak of happenings from before the Genesis, when this world was scorched whole to be reshaped later. This eliminated original inhabitants and those who came with this invading entity but decided to interact with the natives.

>Because yes the Angels are independent living constructs of light and purpose who serve Him
They are constructs, this entity is not capable of creation, only reshaping and reconstructing and it has ravaged other worlds before ours.

>Where you aee wrong beyond that is the idea that the world was 'taken over'. It wasn't, but rather is a lower expression of God.
You're confusing the concept of "universal creator" with a separate entity that has its own agendas. This world was invaded, cleansed and reshaped by one such an entity. Which was made possible thanks to native traitors who unveiled secrets.

>Radiated light energy corrupted and brought down to near cthonic placement.
The actual natural laws of this world (foundations of the world) were corrupted (broken), things are not working as they should, and this work of absurdity is easy to feel and notice. This is merely a bizarre experiment by an entity jealous of actual creators.

>The word is a PART of God and He is found in all things if you look close enough.
>You have always been a part of and belonged to God. He didn't steal you or enslave you, silly rebellious child.
Again, you're speaking of the universal creator, which is not a sentient entity but rather a mechanism. This is not something that interacts with us, or anybody or is even aware of itself. The existence has many sentient entities with various degrees of power and their own personalities and agendas, but only a few are able to actually create worlds. The entity that holds this world isn't one of those.

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False impression:
And if correct and God is just feeding His ego? He chooses to do that by bringing people up in peace and growth, grooming them into power so he can have the very strongest of servants and the most loyal because they must freely come to Him rather than being pressed into service. This is rather than countless alternative entities who feed off fear and loss, aiming for momentary satisfaction when draining a soul to weakness.
The God you speak of wants his possessions to be the most beautiful and untouchable in strength.
He wants them to be in awe of Him to worship because they want to and to have those that worship Him overshadow those who aee so commonly worshipped, only magnifying His name.
Even if that's purely ego?
How can you go wrong with that? Seeking to be groomed into royalty as a brilliantly shining jewel and His commanding hand rather than fed upon while fed only scraps by something else? No compare.

He is a God who loves you as and spoils His children.
Also he would still be the strongest of divinities, this enemy you've crafted.

FYI: That 'force' would be the Holy Spirit reflecting both Father and Christ in the highest place. Through one you can meet the other.

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Are the so-called Pleiadians among the Angels of the Father? Same thing or a breed of them?

>>19395996
>It can fuck you
But being fucked feels so good. Who cares if I have a sense of derealization the day after a ritual? Granted I don't do it anymore and I was a total noob when I went in but it still felt too good. I'm Catholic now. In fact, I should be saying, don't do it or else you'll burn in hell

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>>19407583
Okay I assumed he might have just compiled the information he got off-hand but wow, I've never been so red-pilled out of my skull before.

>>19410429
>>19410482
Stay away from New Age hodge-podge, not only it is intellectually dishonest, the disinfo is also very strong.

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>>19410480
What do you mean by derealization?

And no, exploring theology into the intricacies of your relationship with God and asking His servants for aid in prayerful intercession is not the path to Hell, but instead kind of exactly what Catholicism already is supposed to involve.
Enochian is old covenant though, so you need to make adjustments as required.

>>19410518
True. Still come good information available if you can translate it through their rebellious lens of perception.

Bumping dis

>>19400470
sounds like kundalini [sp?]

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>>19396110

So they're both assholes? Like the angels from Bastard!!? No better than the Fallen Angels?

I always thought that it was not possible for a being to be impossibly good like the angels are said to be. IIRC, they're even said to just be obsessed with the light and holiness anyway, which doesn't mean that they're wholly good.

>>19400597
what do you think about the catholic hymn that jesus (yeshua) is the son of lucifer? (google it if you have not seen it) they sing it at the vatican every easter.

also rev of john 22.16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[a] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

I have always thought morning star/ light bringer/Lucifer - all the same.

Is Yeshua the son of Lucifer????

How does one get started on enochian? I'm very interested.
Only thing I've read on is chaos magic and the Kabbalah.

>>19407686
uh, actually, only the physical body will die. the soul is eternal and you will be done with the forgetting from life to life.

>>19411410
No, idiot.
Jesus/Yeshua is Immanuel. Literally 'God with Us'.

God descended nearer to flesh.
And besides, Dude. He literally rebukes Lucifer as an unruly jackass in the Bible.

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>>19411437
Follow some of the links in this thread. :3
Bookz!

>>19411662
>know hebrew and armenian
>have no use for them because i dont study religious or magickal writings
What good are historical languages if I don't believe in fairytales kek

>>19411733
>fairytales
>not history

>>19411739
History is the reality of past with facts to back that reality up.

Gods and angels however... There's nothing to back that up.

>>19411776
You're a simpleton who can't read in between the lines, those ancient texts are invaluable sources of history.

>>19411662
did you even read my post? why does the catholic church sing that jesus is lucifer's son and rev 22:16. exploin that

>No, idiot

ego probs bro?

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hi how are ya

im doing fine thanks for asking

so i see you wanna be a god, yet you believe in the one god

angels and demons too eh

lucifer?

oh man you sound like a social climber god, where you rank up through the systems of naming conventions tied to your belief of good and evil

i guess when your doing good your nerves will be calm and you belief will grow

and when your body tells you your doing bad your nervs will send anxiety signals to your brain and your belief will suffer

so anyway i guess what your really putting your self throuhg is the self god test where you try and live the life of other gods while you rise to become a god your self

i got bad news for you son

the matrix is real and you might just find your self in there getting chased by hooligans and its hard to believe your god when your being disrespected with fear and danger

shit man how can you be god if you cant even stop bullets

how can god not get shot with a gun

can god defeat a gun

uh oh

no silly

gun wins

god is a gun

lasers dont work they tried something to do with phase varience so dont worry about assassins from the future, they dont have bullets that work in 2017

all they can do is follow your geotagged location and put thoughts in your head so you believe in weird shit and keeps you from the path of glory

you wanna take over the world with your beliefs and silence everyone so they dont think and your the only voice in the universe

you wanna project fear with your eyes so people treat you with respect, but they test you so do what ever you want but watch out becuase everything lies

take my advice, keep your social circle small and controlled

your parents are your enemies, and women and love is a ruse designed to trick you into sacraficing your life or getting into a sticky situation you might not get out of

gods are free to walk around the earth free from food sleep labor work life lust greed envy sin money and i suggest all you do is wreak wrath on your subjects

>>19395853
What the fuck happened to /x/? Feels like I'm playing some wierd forum RP.

>>19411797
Yeah sadly my imagination doesn't project angels out of my ass just because my life is boring and I need meaning to it.

Angels and gods don't exist and when you die, you rot and nothing else happens.

>>19411810
>rev 22:16
what an idiotic statement. nothing to "exploin" except that you're an idiot

Can you guys post some angel myths? Would be extremely helpful for my D&D campaign with the bois.

>>19411861
Jesus, if I had a penny every time an obnoxious reddit atheist said that exact phrase...

>>19411861
I hope that's true in your case

How can one kill a god?

>>19409277

that flood is in the epic of gilgamesh which predates the bible

>>19411437
>How does one get started on enochian?

You can get started studying the background and source texts right now. Combine that with a year or so of daily ceremonial work and you should do well.

Best case, though, is finding someone who already works with Enochian and is reasonably competent.

>>19411861
We are more than just the material brain. That's why it's so widely reported that those with alztimers will usually recover faculties completely in their final moments, hours or days in many cases. The physical damage doesn't remove the information contained, the stronger electromagnetic signals near death as oxygen is restricted only making the inherent connections form structureless. That indicates that the information isn't stored through flesh but instead only accessed or worked through it as the hardware/wetware of a higher depository of neural connection that most would call the spirit.
IE: The immaterial consciousness lasts and the physical is a garbage medium.
>>19412019
Yes, because that story was passed down. Whether that happened energetically across the astral or the physical directly, I don't know, but it's in there because in some way it happened.

>>19395853
from what the fuckever your vibe on you posts is giving out to i tell tell your not full of it
i say this White magic/way of god is the way to go
if you want to be friends with the people of light
be real with them
they themselves are good "down to earth" folk as stupid as that sounds
follow the word of god through Christ of course
and you will indeed gain favor among them
same goes with archangels they are
(not to be disrespectful) are among the realest niggas i know
also i say to you just put shit in plain ole hebrew
for some reason i know not of this time they respond better to that
that and don't ask for names they will come if needed well archangels are fine but
you invite anything that wants in thats not a fucking angel thats something else i know not what but most likely bad
angels are as i said are good folk they will respond to the word of god in droves if you and in need or worthy/aka not a black magic shit baby but humble caring good person/aka following the word to the best of your ability
and i mean just from Christ for he is literally the word personified
but a say they draw there power from god or gained it through him
why not do the same
you will be among the greatest of friends

>>19412666
oh goddammit theres faggotray a foot or a harmless shit post from the the good guys
of all the fucking times i get trips its the one i say
"go with god" horse shit this is either that or you did something with this tread to make me look like an ass
bravo you magikal shit poster bravo

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>>19395853
It's transformative there's no doubt there. Just be extremely careful for it is a bumpy ride.

>>19412832

Eeew!

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>>19411863
ok genius, instead of being a neckbeard and continually tipping your fedora at yourself, if i'm such a moron for not understanding why the bible says jesus is the son of the bright and morning star then why not come off of your pedestal and explain it to a moron like me, k?

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>>19411863
oh yeah, I suppose I am also a moron for making a typo. boy, you sure got me there, i guess I'll go cry in a corner for a while. did your mommie not play with your pee pee enough or what?

>>19412865
>why the bible says jesus is the son of the bright and morning star

Wat?

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would someone who is not wearing a fedora explain this to me: This is a hymn sung in catholic churches including the vatican on easter and other times:

Flammas eius —
Flaming Lucifer
lúcifer matutínus invéniat —
Lucifer finds mankind
Ille, inquam, lúcifer, qui nescit occásum: Christus Fílius tuus —
I say, O Lucifer who will never be defeated, CHRIST IS YOUR SON!

>>19412877
>>19411863
>>19411810
>>19411662
>>19411410

rev of john 22.16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[a] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

>>19412883

Wch, of course, does not support your claim. Additionally, the first and last chapters are spurious.

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>>19412892
I'm not claiming anything retard, I'm asking a question. Jesus fucking christ this thread has some drooling idiots. Is there anyone in here with an IQ above 70???

>>19412892
Just leave... no one wants your asshat opinions that are totally irrelevant anyway.

>>19412897
>Is there anyone in here with an IQ above 70???

Not you, obviously.

Then wch of you morons claimed Jesus was the son of the Morning Star?

>>19412907

Nope. For what little it's worth, I'm the only one in this thread who knows jack-shit about Enochian.

>>19412917
um, that would be the vatican and the bible.

do you even know how to read little boy?

>>19412942

Are you going to suddenly become coherent? >>19412865

>>19402007
He prefers Mikael.

>>19402418
Then don't believe.

>>19406535
He is a warrior. He is pure. He was showing your own nature.

I am done responding.

>>19396034
The book is likely no good. It's considered dangerous because the entities can seriously fuck you up and you cannot banish Aethyrs.

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Learn to love, Anons. Yourselves and others alike.

Have a favorite entity to work with?

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>>19413858
gabu-chan

>>19413023

Dude you're hypocritical af and just explain everything in favor of your belief. If I inquired about my own nature, then the clouds would have been an answer about me. That isn't the case. The signs always answer me about the question I ask. And I'm no snake, my name is Gabriel.

Also, saying "he's a warrior, he's pure" is laughably naive, there are millions of warrior who have been evil. Most probably all of them, you don't make war when you're pure.

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I'm all for finding a perfect angel waifu among the enochian choirs and then taking her out dancing.
Gentlemanly.
And then ask her to manifest to you as a human?

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Eh?

I summoned an angel and its fucking me in the ass with its angel dick, pretty hot in a temperature way pls help

>>19415109

Michael

God has NEVER said that we should seek angels contact angels work with angels seek gifts or good fortune from angels.

Think about which angels you are really getting in contact with. If it's too good to be true...it is to good to be true.

>>19416900
>God has NEVER said

Not when you were around, no.

>>19416902
The Bible has 66 books in it.

He had plenty of opportunities to instruct us towards Enochian magick but all I really see is time and again condemnation for practicing magick or rituals...

>>19416900
Saints have had devotion to the angels, in particular, Saint Francis, who fasted in honor of Michael from August 15-September 29, Michael's Catholic feast day.

Then again, I also agree with you on being careful which angels you work with... Angels aren't going to lead you away from their master, Jesus Christ, who is their King.

>>19416925
Not trying to be nasty but I think Roman Catholics shouldn't be doing that.

Also generally if God wants Angels to interact with us he sends them specifically, we shouldn't be trying to contact them.

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If through them you're growing in your faith and dedication to the Lord God Almighty, then you've chosen well. If not, challenge them in the Name of Christ and see what you're really dealing with. Good angels will still test you in numerous ways and force you to stand on your own at times to learn lessons of growth.
Unpleasant, but the lessons are not abandonment.
Overcoming fear, pain, and seeing past lies of your own inner self and others will help you in the long run and we want to learn our lessons while we are still in the physical.

>>19416912

You believe, without compelling evidence, that the Bible is the word of God. I do not.

Irrelevant to Enochian in any case.

>>19416961
Actually it is quite relevant cunt

>>19416964

And little piss--a-bed demons like you are a dime a dozen.

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Use their help to become a holy warrior of might and truth. Power like the holy men of old, bound to God by choice and informed by working very closely with His fellow servants. Both spiritual and physical.
And every time people in the Bible ignored the warnings of messenging angels, bad shit resulted. Rather than solely them coming to you in emergencies, why not you go to them for getting insight on smaller issues as well?

>>19416939
Oh, no, I understand. If it helps you feel closer to God, and for the sake of spiritual safety, stick with Jesus as mediator and honor Him by honoring His Mother at the very least. It's just that Saint Francis is celebrated to be one of the holiest of saints and obviously placed Jesus above all else. Fasting in Michael's honor could be seen as a way to honor God for what God has done through Saint Michael, you know what I mean?

Saint Francis got the stigmata as a reward and was the first to receive it during the very last days of his fast. It can't be a bad thing to ask for their help, but it depends on the methods of how you approach them and what the angel says about Jesus in particular.

Galatians 1:8 and 1 John 4:3 in the Bible helps discern whether or not you're speaking to an angel or a demon disguising himself as one.

>>19397401
jehova badman. begone

>>19411813
hey friend

Shittiest Enochian thread evar!

>>19417500
I concur.
Every time we have one of these I try to post bits of the Sloane MSS and every time they're ignored for vague memeing from people who couldn't tell the Sons of Light from the Sons of Sons.

>>19417506

You'd think SOMEBODY might be interested.

>>19411403
It's different from that.
Actual unfallen angels don't answer to summoning rituals. They have "jobs" to do, duties in the hierarchy.
Anything that does doesn't follow the Creator's will and is one of various permutations on the concept of asshole.
If You don't believe me, test your spirits.
Generaly speaking this whole "Magic" business is a waste of time at best and a trap at worst.
Meditation, Prayer and Communion are where the actual spiritual development (not to mention power) is at.
Would You rather have the admin give You moderator privileges or be an hacker If you were 100% certain to get caught sooner or later?
Not to mention, there's a war being fought for the last few bilions years, and one side will obviously defeat the other.

>>19417682
>Actual unfallen angels don't answer to summoning rituals.

Actually they do, after a fashion. Maybe your problem is personal?

I'm interested in info on the use of Enochian magick and how these occults work, but this thread is just a jumbled up pile of shit and I can't figure out how any of this works. So can anyone lend me reliable information on the subject? It would be most appreciated

>>19417682
>Meditation
Magic having to do with your mind, body and spirit body
>Prayer
Magic having to do with your mind, body and spirit body
>Communion
I don't know what the fuck that means but okay. You actually are doing rituals as you type.

>>19417826

Tyson's, Enochian Magic for Beginners, is a decent introduction to the Enochian material. There's a PDF in the Mega, in the Enochian folder >>19414487.

>>19417506
I certainly find it interesting. Have any other material you want to put up here?

>>19417826
https://mega.nz/#F!AE5yjIqB!y7Vdxdb5pbNsi2O3zyq9KQ!hFgXxLqS
>>19417856
Yup.
Meditation - Mind & Spirit's 'Body of Light'
Prayer - Contacting Entities (Singular w/ God)
Communion - Ritual of a specific nature to Christ

>>19418049
>Mind & Spirit's 'Body of Light'
Yeah, bro, magic.
>Prayer - Contacting Entities (Singular w/ God)
Depends on the method of prayer, but still magic.
>Communion - Ritual of a specific nature to Christ
Who's Christ?

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>>19417881
>>19418049
>https://mega.nz/#F!AE5yjIqB!y7Vdxdb5pbNsi2O3zyq9KQ
^This is my library.
Also referenced here: >>19417863
The Enochian folder and the Sloane MSS folder have everything you need.

>>19418049
>to Christ
Frankly quite debatable. Any "Mass" of transubstantiation should suffice.

>Be me
>Decide to scry TEX
>All I get is a message saying I need to consecrate my tools

Also, what are your sources for Enochian pronunciation? I have found Aaron Leitch's approach to the subject quite interesting, because he takes into account the differences of contemporary and Middle-English.

http://kheph777.tripod.com/art_angelical_pronunciation.pdf

I do wonder about the tools, I have a hard time getting Bee's wax for the Sigilum Dei Aemeth, so I was wondering about people using any other material to craft them

>>19418364
>Also, what are your sources for Enochian pronunciation?

Practice, practice, practice.

I've been tempted to make a recording or two and put them on youtube.

>I do wonder about the tools, I have a hard time getting Bee's wax for the Sigilum Dei Aemeth, so I was wondering about people using any other material to craft them

You can make mock-ups out of paper or whatnot. If you're making a Sigillum, I'd say beeswax is mandatory, though.

>>19412976
I am praying to Samhain that you die soon.

>>19418384

And, like all the others, this too shall go unanswered. Sad!

>>19418380
Supposedly, this is Crowley himself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlxxMq_gCp0

However he used Golden Dawn's pronunciation, which is basically Neo-Enochian, and he has a thick accent, I can't help but think he's still talking English.

I will upload the recordings I got from a torrent, they seem to be more Dee-purist like.

>>19418443

Not sure that's Crowley. This is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2RWA-Yp5QE

I don't much care for his pronunciation or the GD's pronunciation in general.

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In case someone's interested I got these from Aurum Solis; the guy seems to have a french accent however, https://mega.nz/fm/ZyQCxapY

>tfw Madimi hasn't given you private, Enochian lessons ;__;

>>19418069
Christ is Jesus.
Who is Yeshua.
Immanuel. God.
Messiah. Son.
>>19418401
I like the word you tacked on the end there. Relating to that, does anyone else get the impression that Trump might be into this stuff? With the spirit cooking and other practices that most of the united hollywood/media/political/financial elites are involved in could tie to goetic entities decisively hostile to Christianity, I could see him from the many markers as being involved with enochian celestials to stand against them despite lacking much else.

>>19418540

Nah. Trump hasn't the brains.

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>>19418540
>does anyone else get the impression that Trump might be into this stuff?
I barely see enough evidence the guy's literate, let alone interested in 17th C. manuscripts from mystical mathematicians.

"Spirit cooking" is a performative piece from the grandmother of transgressive performance art. I've never seen anyone present solid evidence she's any grounding in mystical theory.

>conflation of Lemegeton/Goetia and Spirit Cooking
Given the Greek purity requirements, I doubt there's a connection, as shed blood is thought to defile the operator.

>>19418540
>Christ is Jesus
The real Savior is unknown to most of the population.
>Who is Yeshua
English or Hebrew name doesn't make a difference, the real Divine don't need languages but they can choose whatever name they want, I don't see why any of them would choose a human name.
>Immanuel. God
What's a God? Again with the Hebrew names.
>Messiah. Son
The Hebrew Messiah was setup for you to embrace the world and abandon the spirit. Also, Jesus is not the 'Son of "God"' Why would he be?

>>19418578
>The Hebrew Messiah was setup for you to embrace the world and abandon the spirit.
Uh.....what?

>>19418584
Originally the Hebrew Messiah was supposed to bring a new kingdom to Earth, one without war, etc. That's a trap to keep you here.

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>>19418589
If your hostile to Jewish mysticism I suggest you reconsider your interest in Dee's Enochian system.

>>19418589
>>19418609
Although I have to ask, and I can be blamed of not reading Dee's original manuscripts, where did the Enochian Angels deny Christ and the Holy Spirit?

I think it was Tyson who mentioned it, but honestly I have a hard time reading Dee's handwriting, so I am waiting for a transcription of his diary.

>>19418609
I'm hostile to every known and exposed system of Mysticism because there's only some truth in them, a core truth.
>>19418619
They probably denied Jesus but not the real Savior.

>>19418619
>For instance, the angels denied the Godship of Jesus. They told Dee that nobody should pray to or through Jesus. They also discounted the idea of sin, and said that the Biblical story of creation wasn’t historical fact. They also said that there is no such thing as the Holy Ghost

>>19418619
>where did the Enochian Angels deny Christ and the Holy Spirit?

They didn't, not in any of the spirit actions. Kelly went into full rebellion mode, at some point, and made several such accusations.

>>19418624
>I'm hostile to every known and exposed system of Mysticism

'Cause you're pig-ignorant.

>>19418689
Yes, that's precisely what that book reads.

>>19418624
As far as I understand it, they seem to claim everything under the old testament is true.

The denial of the Holy Spirit and Jesus, is what some claim supports the idea they are in fact fallen Angels, I have a hard time believing so, however because the spirits require you to worship the name of JHVH ad nauseaum.

>>19418703
>'Cause you're pig-ignorant
You mean the same schools of Mysticism that tell you the names 'Michael/Jesus' and 'Yod He Vav He' are the real names of The Good One?>>19418710
'Yod He Vav He' is not a name. Worship The Good One and The Great Infinite Mind of The Creator of All That Is.

>>19412917
>Then wch of you morons claimed Jesus was the son of the Morning Star?

Jesus said he IS the morning star. So he IS Lucifer, not Lucifer's son.

>>19418728

Yes, pig ignorant.

>>19418729

Pay attention!

>>19418734
All the names given by known publically schools of Mysticism are not real names. All the Divinities that were represented in 'Mythology' are misrepresented in that same Mythology and even some of the Divinities they're supposedly representing are lies as well. There are real Divinities though whose names you will never know.

>>19418578
Immanuel literally translates to (God With Us).
The Name is as He is.

Much if not exactly the same as the varied Angels of God have Names that define their own inherent nature as well.

>>19418787
The names are fabricated, bro, especially if it's in a human language.

>>19418757
Thou shall never crack the name.

Hi, my name is,
I forgot my name!
My name was not to become what I became with this level of fame
My soul is possessed by this devil my new name is,

>>19409806
>>19409887
I still haven't heard any kind of response from the 'Le Demiurge!' memers against this kind of arguement.

>>19418940
this disease that you call god and Jesus its what started this crap. They wanted to play god and be god so fucking bad that they would lie, cheat, and steal just to do it. But don't worry this parasite is going to be thrown away like the trash that it is.

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>>19418956
No, either He is truly God as He claims or He is still the best of all poor options and the good guy won. Especially as the opposition is blatant about wanting to screw you over, there's no reason to be against Jehovah other than contrary stubborness.
And the Truth has already spoken so we know who wins. Hint: God does, so be happy.

>>19419011
but whom is god?

>>19419011
I mean, if he was The One, he wouldn't be known to the masses. He's been setup to be known to the masses and touted himself as the 'God' of the Hebrews which is a misrepresentation of The Good One.

>>19418703
Can you detail some more about Kelly making things up? I think it makes a big difference if Kelly made it up or if the Angels really said it?

>>19416900

Exactly, notice how everyone works with Michael too. The one whose name meaning casts doubt on his nature.

To redirect us a bit back on topic, I've got a question:
What is the biggest drawback of this system? What are the weaknesses of working exclusively with angels rather than other varieties of spirit?

>>19419438
Fuck you

>>19419735
Not an answer.

>>19419363
Literally any being can answer to the name Micheal or any variation, because it's a fabricated name. You don't control these beings and they don't have to come at your every beck and call.

>>19419748
Correct cunt

>>19419737
Fuck off

>>19419914
Still not an answer.
Still curious about the drawbacks besides the difficulty if there are any.

>>19420047
If you haven't caught the drift dude a pretty big drawback is that you are dealing with Fallen Entities...now Fuck right off

>>19420081
>a pretty big drawback is that you are dealing with Fallen Entities
You really believe this? He fell for the Lucifer meme. Newsflash, retard, you are a fallen Divinity not them.

>>19420250
Please

KYS

>>19406535
>Most People named Michael, Mike or Mikael are also ruthless and often predatory (but with a sense of justice)

can confirm this. i am ruthless to people who stand against me but i could never harm an innocent person and i allways try to step in when i see injustice beeing done.

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>>19406535

>Most People named Michael, Mike or Mikael are also ruthless and often predatory (but with a sense of justice).

You might be unto something

>>19395996
-it doesn't matter.
-no it isn't
-no it really isn't
-yes it actually is
-so can drinking water wrong

OP get the book enochian sex magic (stupid misleading title) by Christopher s Hyatt, it simplifies the more obscure writing of Crowley's Liber Chanock

>>19419359
>Can you detail some more about Kelly making things up? I think it makes a big difference if Kelly made it up or if the Angels really said it?

I suggest you read the source text. The published edition, A True and Faithful Relation &c, will do. Kelly is an interesting figure and his relation to the work, the angels, Dee, &c, was surprisingly complicated.

>>19419438
>What is the biggest drawback of this system?

It's complex and the spirits have their own agenda.

>What are the weaknesses of working exclusively with angels rather than other varieties of spirit?

I don't know that there are any.

>>19395853
Because you should.
The world is literally run by the dark occultists and this is why you see so much of their shit here.
Do it. Angels are the shit.
I work under Saint Michael and Saint Haniel.
Your Angels will find you anon.
Be ready for alot, they are on some real next level stuff.
Like. The very definition of next level.

>>19420250
Protip/Redpill
Saint Haniel cast The Fallen out.
I do not know for what but i know it was her.
I am very close to these beings. Doubt me if you will but nearly every text and every bit of information that exists about The Fallen is wrong. They are Evil.
Redpill 2: God is not a single entity, nor is Satan.
The Monotheistic God is a lie, Pantheism is the truth.
Once you are initiated by God into your own Pantheistic path, you will being using these words in a much, MUCH deeper way.

>>19421383
>I am very close to these beings.

kek

>>19420296
I know you can't fathom being the fallen one but you are, accept it.
>>19421383
What is 'evil'? Stop using words you don't know how to use. There are no Fallen angels because if that were the case they would be on Earth, with us. The creation myth of Bible is not real, man.

>>19421355
Replying to my own post since its easier.
Many of you speak of things you know nothing about. The Angels being Fallen specifically. The fracture created by the falling of the Angels was so great it effected our world. They left us for a time, to rebuild themselves and to learn. They are back however and The Angels are Angels, and the Demons are Demons.
Fallen Angels are Demons.
There is no middle ground.
I could write a series of books from what i have been given from them and there are so many people filled with hatred on this board that i elect not to come as much as i should. You people saying that Angels are Demons are exactly what i am talking about. You know absolutely nothing of their struggles, what they do for us or of their pain. The Cardinal Angels specifically. The Angels themselves regulate the metaphysical plains, the Cardinals are who we interact with here in the middle. Each of the four of them has the power Christianity tells you it's Monotheistic God has. I was going somewhere but i cannot remember where. Piss off with your lies, people of Satan. God is returning with a fury the likes of which you cannot even fathom. I have felt it. I will fuck off now, but first i have one more thing to redpill you people on.
The four horsemen, they are the Cardinal Angels.
Michael is War, Raphael is Death, Gabriel is Famine and Uriel is Pestilence.
Take care OP. They're good guys.

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>>19421389
>>19421421
You two reek of heresy and self preservation

>>19421429
>Michael is War, Raphael is Death, Gabriel is Famine and Uriel is Pestilence.

zozzle

>>19421446
They will end them, not bring them when they ride.

>>19421443
You're just stupid. Why would Higher beings feud? They don't have emotions or motivations for power, especially if they can't defeat The Great Infinite Mind of the Creator of All That Is. 'Pantheism' would make all beings equal in the eyes of the Creator so there would be no reason to feud. They can't be more powerful than the Creator of All That Is so feuding with It would be pointless.

>>19421446
The bible has nearly everything wrong.
Creation, for instance. The Big Bang DID happen.

>>19421471
>Triggered
>Insulting me
Prove. anything.
They war because it is in our nature to do so. They are Human after all.

>>19421471
>Implying there is a Creator
Now, there is an "Alpha Omega" character, who is Christ. He did not create us however.
Evolution DID happen.

>>19421477
If they're humans then they're not Higher beings, you dolt and you are guilty of elevating a human to Divine status.

>>19421485
>Implying there's no Creator Mind that encompasses all that is even Divinities

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>>19421487
You have no clue what you are talking about. I have esoteric knowledge that the highest priests of any occult organization in the world would kill to know.
>Insert Navy Seals CP
You are the guilty one.
You are guilty of unbased accusations, and of not debating properly.
You have no idea who i am. You have no grounds for any accusation. You have no idea what i do with my time, how i live or what i practice. Stop acting like you do.

>>19421502
Are you trolling? Do you really think you're at the peak of knowledge? You think you're not guilty? You're probably guilty of a lot of things you don't even know you're guilty of. Like speaking ill of the ones that are put here to rule you. I don't care what you do with your time, honestly it makes no difference to me. There is no debate. There's what you believe and the truth. You are a child in this especially if you're the one that called any angel 'Fallen'. If they're warring on other Earths, that is not the Divine realm therefore is irrelevant to your struggle.

>>19399327
if youre not talking about "its always sunny in Philadelphia" please tell me what you are referencing

>>19421655
John Dee and Edward Kelley

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSnIHLVa2Qw

>>19417506
I'm interested, but I have no idea what any of it is for, how to read it, or apply it in any way at all.
To me, it looks like a bunch of Latin, with some beautifully written gibberish sporadically placed throughout.
However, I get the feeling it's not random, and is important to the enochian system

>>19421655

At the suggestion of the angels, John Dee and Edward Kelly swapped wives.

>>19421721

See >>19418085.

>>19395857
Tits or gtfo.
(Pls no ban mods titties are actually spiritual GPS system for women.)

fucking role playing autists
im glad your magics dont amount to anything beyond sitting around your moms house shitposting
keep you fuckers where you belong

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IsNt It GrEaT nOt BeInG a PlEb TiEr NoRmIe FaG wHo CaNt EvEn InTo My SpEcIaL sEcReT kNoWlEdGe Of EvErYtHiNg GiT gUd KiDdOOOOO

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We're always learning and puzzling things out. Focusing on developing your spirit or inner-mind and not just what's on the surface can have beautiful effects on your life.

Placed above the angels in potential (unless only places above because we need tending to) but possessing of the same fundamental substance, wouldn't that make us the '10th Choir' above the Nine usual ones who are designed as Sub-Creators to project more of the holy one's light and thusly introduce new energy into the grand tapestry of creation to expand it exponentially? The more we clean ourselves up spiritually, the more light the core of our soul can project through us past the grime and the more in line with our designed purpose we become.

Orion-tier thread.

ffs...

>>19422271
Orion like the constellation?
And what does ffs stand for?

>>19421429
>>19421355
why won't they talk to me or give me a sign, im so alone

>>19422470
>Orion like the constellation?

Nope. Posts here, or used to.

>>19422532

Not paying attention.

Good thread. Better than the usual here at least.

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>>19402580
Not the person who asked you for information first, but, could you give me more info or resources to look into his partnership with Leviathan/Lilith? Also are you saying he is both partner to Leviathan and Lilith or that those two are the same thing in different forms? Any info on what demon is supposedly his mother?

Also I guess, looking into him, are there any specific cautions I should take to avoid getting on his bad side? I'm not sure I want to even get on his good side but if he has anything to do with Leviathan/Lilith I feel compelled to research.

>>19424415
nice dragon

>>19418443
>>19418443
sounds like alan watts desu

>>19422897
i think im reading too much into this but this actually speaks volumes. 2deep4me

>>19424434
thanks i like him because he is not pretending

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>>19395863
ding ding ding

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>>19426994
Nah, we can always use more people on the side of the angels.

>>19424415
I like that winged lion.

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>>19395853
if you say the name of angel or god in your dreams they will usually appear.

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>>19427462

>>19397689
Welcome to humanity.

>>19395853
What use does this have?

Will it land you at your dream job? Will it make you millionaire? Will it give you Mia Khalifa as your wife?

Why would you do it?

>>19428033
Vapula

>>19396116
You wouldn't know of a PDF of Techniques of Graeco-Egyptian Magic

>>19428797
faggot

>>19429067
Maggot

>>19429177
bob saget

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So what's our verdict? Get everybody here involved in trying it out?

>>19395853
They're demons here to fool you into destroying your soul.

So do whatever you want because they probably have an arm around you already

>>19395853
There's something very dark near my house,
it seems to appear like a spectral child, a girl with dark hair (usually) sometimes black smoke/fog

I asked its name and it got CRAZY angry, it was like it was bouncing off the walls,

I thought it said Baal or Beelzibub,(i may be associating it with names I knew) but it was dark as all hell. and a "Bul" or "Per" sound at the begining.

Anyway:
I lucid dream and the girl came into the dream and we fought, i killed her (i think) but woke up before i could destroy her remains, it seems to appear more often since.

Afterwards I remembered a dream (from years ago) where i was standing in a cave, next to a cliff above water, the little dark haired girl was with me.

Anybody have any idea what the heck this is?

I feel like its a puzzle but I have very little "Speakable" knowledge, but I telepath pretty good (i think)

>>19395853
Weak magicks are. Channel the dao you must. Grand Master Jedi you will become

Regarding pronunciation and ponies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BpbyxRlq7w

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>>19430549
Given the eye-patterns on the tail of the peacock, I'm guessing the McFabulous birdo would be the angels? Less of them than the mealbird turkeys but not quite as dumb?

>>19395853
>If it's the most powerful form of magick as is widely reported,
its not

>>19430904
>eye-patterns

Mythological descriptions of that peacock bio-signaling pattern suffice as the source material: whereby we later have the variously translated descriptions of floating eyes and feathers.

>>19418540
I mean trump probably doesn't know much, but people who want to use him do.

>>19399327
edward kelley was at least partially retarded, and just because your in commune with the holy doesn't mean your immune to the sins of the flesh, see fallen angels. also note how they quit experimenting together after that you cherry picking strawman faggot. also "holy" and "unholy" entities as well and if you're not careful you can get different spirit. fuck off, I think you're probably some autistic cia weeaboo thats ran out of tendies

>>19430549
I know of what it is that you refer to.