/omg/ -- Occultism & Magick General

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I was just about to post this

I KNEW I WAS A KEK ;_;

>>19376186

Great minds and all.

>>19376173

Q: Do Occult powers diminish when it becomes widely known? is that the reason to keep it occult?


i feel like the meme Magick is gone now.

>>19376209

Yeah, more-or-less. Any 'leak' is a reduction in 'power'.

>>19376209
>Q: Do Occult powers diminish when it becomes widely known?
Generally, yes, unless it's memetic magic which requires being spread. There is no bigger curse than everyone thinking you're cursed.

>>19376235

i feel like mimetic magic requires it to be spread without people knowing the intent of the magick

Meme magic was never a thing. It was just a way of mobilizing an asset,

>>19376312
Not everything has to be magic, you can get the same results with good old fashioned gossip half the time.

>>19376173
Explain the ear ringing phenomenon
Who's contacting me?

>>19376336
That concert you went to years ago and every album you ever listened to with headphones on.

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If you're doing nothing right now and your practice involves the stars, check out The Glittering Expanse: Integrating Fixed Stars into your Astrological Practice. 3 hours of stellar goodness

This isn't really a beginner level class but if you already know what's up in traditional astrology or you already know what's up with the fixed stars, check it out.

https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/565887077

>>19376209
Meme magick was never a thing.
It's just shitposting for dubs, mate.

>>19376388
>88
Shitposting for dubs, indeed.

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>>19376363
>>19376388
>shitposting for dubs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wg0Ok2_SQI

>>19376336
>>19376339
It's more than that

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>>19376363
dude is going off about agrippa and planetary talismans...
>>19376477
>77

lmao. you should hop on this talk, he just went on a pretty major spiel about 8th-18th century magic and planetary talismans

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>>19376494
this is a little above my knowledge level

I really want to grok Arabic astrology a lot more because their star names feature a lot in my contemporary spiritual practice but I'm having trouble finding resources

his explanation of lunar mansions is great though

>>19376209
Yeah
> meme magic dead
Thank god, a million people posting frogs trying to make wishes without any critical thinking skills. It exists but that certainly isnt it, just noise and mass delusion

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>>19376506
I know right. He's known for his poetic voice as an astrologer. I can help you with resources re: arabic astrology - remind me to hit up my teacher about this. He's knowledgeable on the subject

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>>19376518
>moon is male in polygamous cultures because each mansion is a "conjugal visit"

kek

>>19376522
>27 visits in fruitful sexual congress
I can't believe how many times the phrase "sexual congress" has come up in the last week

>>19376477
>>19376450
I know, it's almost like everyone gets dubs per 11 posts at a more or less equal distrobution due to probability factors and there's nothing special, magickal, or supernatural about it.

>>19376539
>sexual congress
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejaWq2TXRXE

>>19376388
>>19376566


dubs back to back. this is no coincidence

>>19376571
WRONG CLIP

https://youtu.be/PDBjsFAyiwA

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>>19376566
do you think that, if you treat post numbers as a random number generator, you can influence the outcome using known mechanisms in Psi phenomena?

https://www.fourmilab.ch/rpkp/bierman.html

I think the answer is yes but only in low traffic boards

>>19376572
Oh, yeah, must be fuckin' arcane majjgykcz

>>19376566
Nice dubs

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>>19376363
this guy is making me realize that the stars on the opposite side of the Sun are really going to influence the specific nature of that eclipse coming up

>>19376581
>https://www.fourmilab.ch/rpkp/bierman.html
I skimmed.
Were they trying to predict the location where the point would appear on the screen?

>>19376621
PK tests are generally built in such a way where subjects are told to influence left and right sensory hemisphere data, usually based off of two randomly generated numbers (what number is larger determines what side of screen/headphone the input occurs)

https://www.fourmilab.ch/rpkp/hispeed.html

this makes it very easy to statistically test for randomness and compare to a control

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>>19376494

>there used to be no watchtower stars in an Earth Sign until Regulus processed into Virgo in the Tropical Zodiac

>Donald Trump has Regulus rising

>Regulus has solar energy

This kind of shit is why every government needs a court astrologer

>>19376712
Home :)

>>19376336
Your head is humming and it won't go
In case you don't know,
The piper's calling you to join him.

>>19376571
There's no time for Monty Python ape I'm getting my mind high-key blown by this fixed star man.

>>19376712
If we had a court astrologer, they would be doing what the Babylonians did when there was a coming solar eclipse and temporarily depose the king for the day on the eclipse, and put some poor sod in his place to get fucked up by the stellar event, then execute him and reinstall the president.

Holy shit regulus' lunar mansion is called MAG(H)A

>>19376642
K, so in your test it would be attempting to guess the post numbers? Or would something else happen based on the post number?

1/OMG/ Agenda
1) Big freaking library - done.
2) Lodge - pending
3) Flat Earth astrology test - pending
4) Random number generator psi test - maybe
5) need more
6) need more

I'd love to use that random word generator for automatic "writing" using paste up technique.

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>>19376744
>fixed star man
>44 = phoenix mass

Tis the season for Stellar Transvex-ion,
IA-RA-KU, IA-RA-KA....

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>>19376775
'preciate the confirmation

>>19376775
wanna get 44-y here's a good one too
http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/lib90.htm

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>>19376760
well guessing post numbers would not even be close to empirical because the "degree" of randomness is impossible to control. My theory is that if you focus really hard on getting dubs on a low traffic board you could get dubs more often than the "random" statistics would suggest, even without a script. Consider what /b/ or /s4s/ looks like when a major "get" is coming up, there is an immense amount of Psi going on in that space because so many people are trying to get the numbers, thus there is an insane amount of entropy.

There are tools that are available on the internet to test and even "train" your psi using high quality pseudorandom number generators

>I'd love to use that random word generator for automatic "writing" using paste up technique.

A.I researchers use a (much) more complex version of that code for improvised computer generator music

>>19376822
>22

>>19376822
>A.I researchers use a (much) more complex version of that code
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XrhEXfowj4

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>>19376861
is it possible to setup a TempleOS VM? I would love to fuck around with it for a day

Evening gents. I've been dabbling in this and that with success for a while now, sigil work, Angelic work and a few others. I'm looking for something guided. A course that's suitable for beginners that will advance them further in their learning. I was pointed toward Bardon - initiation into hermétics. I do know however that Ape and others don't like this text so anything else like that? Cicero essential golden dawn perhaps? Thanks!

>>19376822
I'm trying to think of ways to test the results.

So far I have one three word sentence I could test, but I'm not sure how to test it yet.

>>19376890
>is it possible to setup a TempleOS VM?
That's how Terry does is group chat stream thing where he just rambles fuckin' sideways.

>>19376903
W-why so mean in email, Palo?
I'll send you the running convo thus far after last project+exam. Handed in my first around the time I replied to you. Other nasty IRL shit I didn't unpack in last reply. Hopefully by the time the week fuck's off I'll have a slightly clearer vision but at this second I'm reviewing 40 journal articles on governance networks, listening to Terry screech "NIGGER MONKEY" as background noise, and posting in note-gaps.

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>>19376890
mfw aquarius with fomalhaut on my venus

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>>19376946
>>19376890
omfg I just noticed Terry has /g/ open at almost all times holy shit.

>>>/g/61648249

Sometimes I dunno what's more surreal, life, or my dreams. Probably a fuckin' tie at this point.

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>>19376903
>test the results
this would be difficult with a word generator. I think Terry does something with key words.
see:
>>19376861

>>19376962
Bless that crazed man. I hope people there learn HolyC and turn it into something. It has a very clean syntax

>mfw learning about Algol and stellar connection to Lilith/Medusa

>mfw associated gemstone is diamond

>mfw "adornment of the naked body with gemstones" means something different to me now

Tough times are ahead my friends, cleanse ur houses

>>19376946
you should switch to listening to this fixed sign dude.

>19377003
bruh I'm v alarmed by the close proximity of my Mars to this star lol
>this person will be drawn to states of headlessness, where consciousness temporarily leaves its societally bound residence in the head and reverts back to its more primal and ecstatic state

I....I'm sort of staggered atm

>>19377003
>Algol and stellar connection to Lilith
Open up DBoE and read up on the Behenian count.

CS has Algol (Al-Ghul) split between the three stars of the system. Beta Perseus Aa1, Aa2, and Ab as Tongue, Left Eye, and Right Eye; the Couple United, Lilya, and Mahazael, then right on down the Behenian.

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>>19377021
>>this person will be drawn to states of headlessness, where consciousness temporarily leaves its societally bound residence in the head and reverts back to its more primal and ecstatic state
Sounds like you need some more Bataille in your life.

>The original phraseology for "Borneless One" parses out more accurately as "Headless One". See:
>Hans Dieter Betz, The Greek Magical Papyri in Translation, 1992.

>>19377048
>>The original phraseology for "Borneless One" parses out more accurately as "Headless One"

Shaula messaged this to me like 10 minutes ago hah.

It is my intention to at some point ask you for your opinions on the barbarous names there. I was just reading that rite today.

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Is Formalhaut the only royal star that isn't a Behenian star?
is that why Aldebaron is the "watcher of the East" and Formalhaut the "watcher of the north"

We were talking about directional attributions of the elements in the last thread and this seems relevent

>>19377033
La'ta'ifa as Sirius is... heady

Beyond the Tabulation given above, know ye that there are three root-stars which may be ascribed unto the Mysteries of the Triple Axis. These are Antares - Cor Scorpi- the Heart of the
Scorpion, Vega - Vultur Cadens- the Falling Vulture, and Deneb - Cauda Capricorni - the Tail
of the Goat. Verily, these stars are as the three envenomed points of the Trident emanating from
the Dragon's Tail.

Why Antares and why not my namesake I wonder

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>>19377033
>>19377102
Verily, from the Star Elpheia, the Bright One of the Dish, shall come
forth the tinctures of the Bloodied Graal to lustrate the barbs of the tridentate stave."

>Elpheia
>Elphame
>>19377003

>It bore the traditional names Alphecca (or Alphekka), Gemma, Gnosia (Gnosia Stella Coronae), and Asteroth (or Ashtaroth). Alphecca is Arabic, short for نير الفكّة nayyir al-fakka "the bright (star) of the broken (ring of stars)". Gemma is Latin for "jewel". Gnosia is also Latin, short for Gnōsia stella corōnæ "star of the crown of Knossos". Asteroth is Hebrew, עשתרות ‘ašterôt "Astarte (idols)".

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>>19377102

I like need to sit down for 2 hours after this talk. I have planets conjunct those stars.

> Aldebaron is the "watcher of the East"

I think it's like that because the fixed sign taurus is the first, so east, then continuing around to regulus, anteres, ending in fomalhaut at the north.
is that what you mean?

>>19377048
i'm kinda salty you just called out the two things I was thinking of doing for the eclipse in a row. get out of my (severed) head.

>>19376892
Anyone?

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>>19377149
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_stars

So Formalhaut is not a behenian star but it is a "royal Star" which means Babalonians were using it for navigation. so is it fixed or not? the answer appears to be no

it also has a giant ring of gas

>>19377166
Cicero, Regardie, Liber ABA.
All good places to start

>>19377102
>Shaula
Magnitude.
Behenu.
The fact that the entire worship can be done on Scorpio anyway.

>Sirius
AL-JA-WZA-IA

I go forth upon the path of Al-Jawza, the 7th Star of thy Stellar Image, O, Az'qarina, and pass within the celestial palace of the Dragon's Tridentine Spine and Triadic Heart. By the Sings of the Trident and Apophis Triumphant we raise ourself from Zenith to Nadir, resplendent within the Heart of All, for I am Thy Column Incarnate.

O Star of Initiation, by Thy Arcana we decree the ley and line of the Crook'd Path and listen patiently for the unfolding of Thy Rainbow'd vibrations of Thy Triadic Heart, through the spaces twixt the interstices of our own heartbeat. Behold, O Felsh, the Triple Mystery bound in the Axis of the Seeker's Spine, and the Temple of Mystery at the Axis of the Sphere of Nu's Temple. There is a Threefold Snake bound in the spine and braided about the Heart, wherein whose flaming doth melt the drops of Conscious Azoth, for as the Trident drops into the Heart of the Elements, and the Swan doth blossom in the Embrace of Wisdom within the Consort, Aleph rectifies the Holy Vehm dancing on the Tongue of the Initiate. Thou art the Ancient One of Spirit, which dwells in the Serpent Braided Heart; the Serpent's Heart braided about by the Vessel of our Arte, and the Vessel of our Arte braided about by the Seeker's Hands, whom doth seethe twixt the twain extremities of the Paths.

From Vagitus to Death Rattle, Firstborn to Lastdead, Kindling and Snuffing, Eternity without Beginning to Eternity without End, the Ecstatic Dance of Asi doth wind. By the Thrice Coiling Serpent, the Threefold Strands of Fate-string are Woven. As the Cord is Woven, so the Threefold Tokens of our Arte are given. As we offer Salt, Sulfur, and Mercury, so the Triple Face of the Moon doth Shine. As the waxing, stasis, and waning of the moon, so the Sealing, Seething, and Revealing of the Thrice Coil'd Serpent within the Seeker's Vessel.
>con't

>>19377202
By each Step of the Road paved in the bones of Failed Initiates, we Mark Thy Way with the strewing of Gravedust. As the Vertebrae are cast in Augury, so doth Fate turn unto our Triune powers of Will, of Knowledge, and of Action. Each of our Steps doth lie in Teli's encompassment, O Azh'qarina.

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>>19377192
it's fixed as fuq, all stars but the sun are "fixed stars" as I understand it. You missed this bit in the first 20 minutes of the talk but he described that fixed stars are so called because of their relative non-movement from our perspective. So if it's a star, and not the sun, it's a fixed star

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>>19377202
>Mirzam Al-Jawza

I'm fucking confused

like where is that on this constellation?

>>19377233
The big bright fuck that's not attached to the rest of Canis?

>Taking that which comes at the end of the eight together with u and the bindu, the yogi moves the downward breath, abandoning the real and unreal.
Mahamayatantra is going to be fun to decipher.

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>>19377250
You're right I'm getting lost in the weeds

stupid academic websites

>>19377202
>>19377205
did you write this yourself?

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>>19377263
>did you write this yourself?
Yes.
I did a spell for each Behenian.

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>>19377276
(also)

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>>19377276
>Abel and Cain.jpg

I bet your Arcturus one is fun. It'd be cool if you shared it with Black Ivory at some point

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>>19377307
and by it I mean them

also wrong picture

>>19377307
It's all handwritten but it's on my agenda.

>>19377313
scan it, i'll type it.

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bump

>>19376209
Crowley thought that once, so he disseminated his work far and wide in an effort to spite it's power.
How'd that work out for him?

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Is joining the Temple of Set essential or just helpful for achieving the endgame of a setian?

>>19377613
Probably, good luck contacting them.

>>19377613
Set is just an initiation into the temple of satan.

>>19378285
Setians are smarter and more interesting than your generic atheistic satanist.

Any suggestions for beginner stuff on the creation of egregores?

>creation of egregores

>beginner
you may wanna look up hypersigils

I've read enough to understand the overlapping theories between different schools, but what are good practice habits to form, while you're still essentially shopping between magickal schools and philosophies? Other than meditation, of course.

>>19378634
Banishing and grounding are handy tools to have.

>>19378645
Other than the LBRP, is there anything specific I should look into?

>>19378654
Or any books to read?

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>>19378654
>>19378677

Liber ABA, Regardie, Cicero, and so on, and so ON

it really depends on the nature of your path.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulY1FwLxI8o

>>19378747
Thank you.

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>>19378747
the fourth track on that album tho

I wonder if that Dzogchen guy is gonna show up and tell me I'm consorting with demons

Visions of forest in the night with wolves being friendly with a naked woman are from celtic paganism or...?

I know this thread is not for dreams, but since the occult has a high symbolism component maybe you can tell me if this makes sense or what.

In this dream I was in a garden with an asian woman. We were sitting in lotus position in a small bandstand. She was teaching me how to meditate and then she taught me about the goddess. In that moment she told me something about 5 stars, at that moment I visualized 5 spheres of light (they were in formation like the vertex of a pentagon) rotating around another sphere of light in the middle. Then she started to teach me the names of each spheres, I remember a name, Naamah, and I think another was Astarte (I should have record the dream). I waked up with the feel that something was revealed to me.

Thoughts?

>>19378926

You're a Furry Harry.

The value of LHP explained in 5 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgJ1n9DF1WE

>>19379218
the heck is that?

>>19376209
Magik is manipulation of minute aspects of reality. If you told people it would just change the game.

>>19376173
Why do you contentless dipshits think youre entitled to start this thread when you cant even get the fucking links right. Kill yourself

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>>19376946
No no no!
Never to you!
You know I love you like a fat girl loves cake.
It just had to come out so I didn't word vomit more than usual somewhere else.

I just need you to nod and smile - that's all you gotta do when I'm doing this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enzJUemPYeU
You can throw in an "Absolutely" too - I like it when you agree with me.

>>19377166
I like Regardie's Golden Dawn.
I keep a copy of it and other Big Black Books for reference on my Fav Shelf.
I have too much crammed in my head from work.
I can't shove too much more in there than my usuals.
Hell, when I swerve Shamanic from time to time, even my Ikaros are improvised - anything to keep from using my last few unused kilobytes.

>>19377313
You need a secretary.

>>19378645
So is drawing.
But I haven't really looked into if anyone does that other than me on a regular basis - like as an official act of a long running practice.

>>19378855
Wampus Woman?
Eastern Native American maybe?
One of the female shapechangers.

>>19378926
I guess it was just a dream, right?

>>19379344
>Wampus Woman
Is that native american stuff? No it looked all very european.

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>>19379394
Eastern Woodlands (USA)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Southeastern_Woodlands

>No it looked all very european
Is that a filter for your mind based on your own experience?
I'm not aware of any European figures that are female and associated with the spirit of the Wild in the form of wolves or other mammals.
I'm trying to search and see if I'm wrong and there's something I'm not remembering or don't know.
I only learned European female Water and Air spirits. No Earth/Wild associated.
Hell, even Morrigan is essentially Air (Crow).

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>>19379419
Hekate (of interest to you what with her black dog).

Theeere's artemis.

>>19379377
You could read The Women Who Run with Wolves, conveniently available for $4.93 on Barnes + Noble's website ;)

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>>19379419
Ok, maybe Baltic or Nordic?
The Volva rode wolves and there is a Lithuanian female hero that is associated with female wolves.
But those are the only two European references I can find.
Otherwise I'm finding wolves associated with male heroes and gods.

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>>19379433
D'oh!
Those are in the memory banks - I was looking too hard.
Can't see the forest for the trees.

I would still associate Artemis with Air and not necessarily the Wild/Earth.

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Is Satanism really the only religion under the LHP?

>>19379503
>really
Who the hell told you that?

>>19379503
Not by a long shot.
There's as many varied LHP styles as there are varied RHP styles.

>>19379457
I feel that, especially as she's an archer, with the arrows flying through air. With the hunting thing she's gonna be inextricably associated with the wild woman archetype too, in my mind. My understanding of huntresses is that they use their connection to wildness to do a better job hunting.

I also love her generally because I used to date a fuckboi who shares a name with a god she murders (possssibly accidentally murders). In some myth though, Artemis kills him because he grabbed her robe. She's like "fuck off my robe boyo idgaf how good a hunter you are you boutta die"

>>19379419
>s that a filter for your mind based on your own experience?

No I mean that the woman was fully european, as in white with dark blond hair.

>>19379419
Also I doubt the woman was a mythical figure but rather a representation of my own spirit and soul, my spiritual being if you will, because I dreamt that I was attacked while being this grill and I woke up feeling it on my body, as if I had suffered the agression myself.

Learnt recently that the four pillars are knowledge, will, courage and silence.

What is important about silence? Does speaking about magical operations weaken them somehow?
Or is it just that being known as a magician puts you in a weak position?

Seems odd for it to be so important

>>19379670
http://www.eli-lsmerchantile.com/blog/2013/05/16/Thoth-Deck-Tarot-THE-FIVE-OF-DISKS-WORRY.aspx

>When reading the Fives, the reader should know that the 5th- Sephira-Geburah, is "the feminine principle of tough love".

>>19379523
Name sum?

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>>19379660
>>19379670
Aha!
That is different then.
So, you dreamed you were alone and surrounded by your most primal instincts and urges.
Then, you were attacked in the dream - but you don't clarify what attacked you.
This is a dream about unresolved internal conflict.

>>19379677
Know when to hold 'em, and know when to fold 'em.
"Silence" is more about internal peace/silence.
It's not about the physical external act of remaining silent.

>>19379677

>>19376209

>>19379677
>What is important about silence?
....

>Does speaking about magical operations weaken them somehow?
That's not what it means, mate.

>Or is it just that being known as a magician puts you in a weak position?
That either.

>Seems odd for it to be so important
....

>>19379677
>>19379728
>>19379733
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ttqE4Bd2fA

To Know without knowing.
See all without seeing.

>>19379733
>That's not what it means, mate.

That's one of its meanings.

>>19379728
I was attacked by other humans.
Humans I already knew from rl that were hostile to me irl.

>>19379751
Eh, I'll give more details.
Those two people were involved in the occult, I had that dream and there was also a mini poltergeist in my house when it happened that caused my house to have temperature drops in the rooms to very cold in plain summer and there were pressences, there were entities, which went away with salt, but the pressences would not go away, there was some scent, strawberry.

>>19379751
Still means the same thing essentially.
It's a dream about internal conflict.
But, your waking mind associates these people with conflict and so they were inserted into the dream.
If I were you, I would think about what internal conflicts you need to sort through.
Because your mind is trying to tell you that you need to sort it out and stop procrastinating.
You can worry about your physical enemies later.
Your internal "enemies" are more important and need combat first.

>>19379746
No.
No it isn't.
A late 80's chaos meme has little to do with the Powers of the Sphinx.

>>19379766
>tell him these people created literally a poltergeist in my house (they even talked about it)
>somehow it is an internal conflict

>>19379781
>"him"
Hello newfriend.

You are aware that most models of psychokinetic phenomena are tied up with emotional turmoil, particularly as it relates to hormonal shifts, be them sexual or stress related. I'm usually reluctant to evoke Jung, but he was a dude that believed in the literal existence of supernatural spirits as physical agencies and he still thought psychokinetic poltergeistish phenomena were rooted in psychic traumas.

I mean if you just want the answer you already think it is/want to hear, there are a dozen other threads to cater to that need on /x/.

How can I incorporate my Vaping into my magick?

Maybe I can find some obscure oil and vape it.

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>>19379781
often my perception of people besetting me with entities is only allowed by my fear of them doing that.

Your lady-person showed you 5 stars. 5 is the number of mars and geburah. This is a space of conflict. Ask Rebbi Google about them.

>>19379770

σ, in the sense that Crowley used it, seems unlikely to have been what the GD meant by silence.

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>>19379781
Sorry I thought when I first read that you meant there was also a Poltergeist in your dream in your house.
So, hit 'em back.
Start shit, get bit.
But on the opposite side of the coin, don't worry about what we think.
Do what is REALLY right for you.

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>>19379795
Tobacco smoke offering is a thing.
I'm sure that nicotine vapor would count as well.
Consecrate yo' pipe.
Or, vape oil mixed in with a sprinkling oil.
Sprinkle on your Altar/Nkisi if you don't have a cigar to leave.

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>>19379864
Speaking of which... I need to find a liquor store in this ass backward Mayberry.
I really don't want to have to drive back to the city on my day off.

>>19379725
It's not really a matter of specific schools of thought, I'm sure you can use use a search engine.
It's more a matter of attitude or response.
i.e, if you start shit with a RHP practitioner, at the very worst they might go for some half-hearted binding. If you start shit with a LHP practitioner, they'll kick you square in the balls before you have time to think about it.

>>19379885
It should be in the post office/courthouse/hardware store. Check around back.

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>>19379896
Tru dat.
>Rural South feels
If I get off my ass I could go haggle with the Junk Man for some iron pieces and buy a lotto ticket too.
I got some old lotto tickets stuck under Coyotl.
Harvest day may be my lucky day!

>>19379996
Reminds me I need to go get a lotto ticket, deposit a check and maybe pick up a sandwich and get some shit notarized if Lou is in. If only it were more irish and there was a pub in the hardware store.

>>19379885
>ass backwards southern liquor store
https://youtu.be/LGL556TK3Do

>>19379885
if you are really in the south, we call them package stores so look for that. ask at a drug store or just a local diner, they WILL know where to get liquor. The problem is if you only look on jewgle maps, it may not say where they sell liquor and there may not even be a bar at all.

>>19380080
>package stores
Half the states have either an ABC or a 3 red dot. The weird ones are where you can't get beer at a supermarket or gas station.

>>19380087
>glares pointedly at the PA

Thoughts and opinions on Kundalini and Kriya Yoga? Are they legit or the works of charlatans?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTJBWMFRO6g

Discuss. The way he said "Raphael" was what really did it for me.

>>19379895
>i.e, if you start shit with a RHP practitioner, at the very worst they might go for some half-hearted binding. If you start shit with a LHP practitioner, they'll kick you square in the balls before you have time to think about it.

Kind of silly,

>>19380142

Depends on who's peddling.

>>19380235
>Kind of silly,
It's been my experience as well. The left hand is more likely to kick your shit in on the spot than go through their rolodex of spirits and wait for a result. Anon didn't make a particularly good or accurate distinction, but it's highly reflective of what goes on in personal practice nonetheless.

>>19380080
Oh, I'm REALLY in the South.
My House house is in Tennessee.
I'm staying in backwoods North GA temporarily.
But I've never heard the term Package Store - that's a new one.
I could drive an hour to my actual neighborhood which is mixed ethnicity inner city with TONS of liquor stores and smoke shops.
Where I'm at now one of the main roads is a Trivia with a Church, a Cemetery, and a clothing alteration store.
There are a LOT of cows here.
And a few horses.
And some guinea hens.

>>19380295

The idea that some LHP practitioner would be more likely to, or effective at, kicking ass seems silly.

>>19380340
The only two I could think of possibly kicking my ass would be Aquino and Myatt, but they're well past their prime.

>>19379895
That's a very profane use of power that draws a lot of unnecessary attention. One of the better lessons of the LHP is how to effectively use power and the difference between intimidation and being a stupid thug

>>19380354
Speaking of Myatt he's making some more progress on his CH translation; looks solid as hell as usual.

>>19380354

Yep, yep. Whereas going up against someone like Ebony would have been foolish in the extreme.

>>19380364
>That's a very profane use of power that draws a lot of unnecessary attention.

Two words: reactive defenses.

>>19380366

Cool.

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>>19380316
oh im in Savannah. Welcome to Georgia!

>>19380376
I dunno if "cool" is exactly the word I'd use but it's sure refreshing to see someone, anyone, take a fresh crack the translation, even if he's a Paki bashing mail bomber.

>>19380354
>even contemplating yourself, a habitual shitposter, facing off with a man like Aquino
Kek

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QUESTION FOR ANY IF I MEMBERS.

I *Heard* that one of the oaths requires you to not take any form of drugs, including weed.

How strict is that policy and how do they justify that when Crowley, from all accounts, partook?

Also, I'm in enlisted in the military, does that count as not being "free"?

>>19380408

FUCK, I MEANT OTO MEMBERS

OTO MEMBERS

OTO MEMBERS

OTO MEMBERS

>>19380364
There's a saying.
"Don't start no shit and there won't be no shit".

>>19380316
You gonna stay there for the eclipse? The totality is going over Northern Georgia.

>>19380406
He's like...70 years old

>>19380203
that thing he made that allows the smoke to come up around your scrying object is cool at 39:00. 10/10 would try.

I like the chick's sing song invocation of the angels i started doing that randomly about a year ago.

>doing the Qab Cross with the mouth as malkuth....
>hey girl what that malkuth do

>>19380430
Does... magical ability drop off with age?
It's not like they'd be having a fistfight?

>>19380430
70 years of wisdom and a loyal harem of femboiis by his side.
Can you even imagine Aquino wasting time on an anime imageboard?

>>19380434
anon said
>The left hand is more likely to kick your shit in on the spot

So I sort of imagined a literal shit-kicking-in

>>19380441
uh...remember that time he sued an ISP for libelous material posted on a message board?? He wanted $250,000

>>19380478
A literal shit-kicking-in would probably be kinder than what some of the LHP guys can do magically.

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>>19380441
http://www.dmlp.org/threats/aquino-v-electriciti#node_legal_threat_full_group_description

>>19380478
I meant literal shit-kicking, also verbal shit-kicking and general tangible solutions including but not limited to police intervention and planted drugs.

>>19380408
>I *Heard* that one of the oaths requires you to not take any form of drugs, including weed.
That's a fucking retarded interpretation of the Oath.

The exact pledge is to not fall under UNDUE INFLUENCE of any person or substance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undue_influence

>>19380406
Aquino>Me, at every time save childhood and old age. Thought I made that clear already.

>military
I dunno mate, you tell me who you take orders from.

>>19380418
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUC2EQvdzmY

>>19380496
Like how do you even grow eyebrows like that?
Did he just get lucky with genetics, or did he specify pointy eyebrows in his workz?

Has /x/ ever done an astral meetup? I'm sure with all the autistic dedication to craft such a thing would be more than realistic.

>>19380523
Genetics.
He probably trims all but that one point on each of them so it stands out more.
I used to know someone with super bushy eyebrows and to aggravate me he would brush up parts of them almost exactly like that.
So I'd wait until he was asleep and prune them VERY quietly and VERY carefully.

>>19380594
Great, so instead of just shitposting at each other on the chan, we can shitpost at each other astrally as well. Sounds like lots of fun.

>>19380638
you're like an eyebrow delilah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIw0ewEsNHs

>>19380648
Not gonna lie, I'd love to astrally shitpost about why x tradition is better than y.

>>19380697
Well, I also have to admit it would be a lot of fun.

>>19380594
There used to be an astral meetup location for /x/ that had a whole general dedicated to it iirc. It kind of went to shit when some bad apples noticed it

what are some other practices similar to liber resh that you can do? I mean small daily stuff to start with from other traditions or whatever

>>19380967
Gayatri mantra. Resh is EA Koetting tier self-suck.

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>>19381029
>adorations of the light don't get my dick hard unless they're ancient and in sanskrit

is it possible to roll your eyes so hard you get a strain
k

>>19381101
>I don't like antediluvian, time tested spiritual tradition because I'm a faggot
Gotcha.

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>>19381129
Oh I have nothing against Gayatri. Just your assessment of a practice I'd bet you've never worked for long enough to form a valuable opinion

Still not sure how to test it.
07-31-17's random word generator psi test sentence was:
Electronics manufacturer dispute
08-01-17's random word generator psi test sentence was:
background politics telegram

These seem a little general.
I'm using the random word that appears every ten seconds to generate a three word sentence.
I have the random word generator set to display a new word every two seconds.
I don't have a set time I start or finish every day.

>>19380496

Can you send magical attacks via the internet even if you don't know the persons true identity?

Seems like that's what he's do instead of a lawsuit if he could.

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A bit more of a mundane question, but does anyone have any good book reccomendations on mentalism?

>>19381214
I genuinely get the impression Aquino isn't that petty. Ever read the memoir of the Presidio ""scandal"" in The Scroll? Dude's super down to earth, even in the face of serious and legit harassment. Mad respect for Aquino, man.

>>19376581
meh.

>>19380594
Yes.

>>19381305
I respect him but I'm glad he lost that case because it would have set a terrible precident for internet freedom if he'd won

I'm working on expanding my hardcover Bollingen Series of Jung beyond the I Ching and Archetypes of the Unconscious. Any I should pick up specifically?

>>19381395
I, uh, dunno if I entirely agree with you tbqh.

I've been the victim of defamation per se and libel. Shit fucks you up, even if you're well established in your career, especially if the perp finds people to dogpile in.

I will agree that going after the ISP was probably the wrong method of recourse, if potentially the most logical and quick way to do the job in 1997.

>>19381427
Wilhelm Baynes and the Karcher concordance.

>>19381450
Already have it, I'm looking for more Jung. I was thinking Structure and Dynamics of the Psyche but I can't find it for under 50 bucks.

>>19381450
>I've been the victim of defamation per se and libel.
Who did you piss off?

>>19381450
This website would functionally not exist if there was a legal precedent for anonymous posters being legally liable for libelous claims.

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>>19381490
>he thinks he's anonymous on the internet
That's cute.

>>19381525
You know what I meant dummy

Would you really prefer a system where everything you say was attached to your RL name and identity

>>19381556
Nope.
That's not what I said in the slightest.
This is why dualism is cancer.

I think framing it between wild west and stalinist russia is a false dichotomy.

>>19381571
It's not. The government is retarded and it will go one extreme or the other. Surely a wise man like yourself would know that.

>>19381450
>going after the ISP
That's just what I mean. I'm glad he didn't win because he went after the ISP. I don't want Verizon to be responsible for regulating my speech under penalty of massive fines to them. That's how you fuck up the internet.

Like you say if it were 1997 I'm sure the same thing would have occurred to me, I'm not judging him for not knowing what the internet would look like in 20 years (although, with the remote viewing...)

Sorry about the slander that seems like trash.

>>19379800
standard deviation on the other hand has a good deal to do with silence

>>19381589
>The government is retarded and it will go one extreme or the other. Surely a wise man like yourself would know that.
He said, to the man literally getting a master's in "deep state".
Everyone wants to bitch aimlessly about the government. Nobody (few of us) tries to make it better.

>>19381597
>I don't want Verizon to be responsible for regulating my speech under penalty of massive fines to them
It already is. All it takes is one actionable claim from you, and one subpoena from your target's lawyer or the DA. I still think it's clunky. Civil law needs massive revision for a digital era.

>Sorry about the slander that seems like trash.
Meh. I been dealing with it for six years. From a """Brother""" no less.

>>19380441
>Can you even imagine Aquino wasting time on an anime imageboard?
yes. I remember the O9A ripping the shit out of him one time and he pulled full damage control

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>>19381619
What exactly will you do? We both know pic related is the only solution to the present problems.

>>19381637
Those letters area actually super fucking compelling.

>>19381646
>What will I do
I dunno yet. Probably comparatively little in the long-run. I just wanna educate and preserve culture mate, the degree's just the most feasible way to do it atm.

We drop the monarchofeudalism and I'd agree more or less entirely.

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>>19381665
>viable solutions
SUCC

>>19381687
My viable solutions will (probably) never come to pass.

The best the EMTs of governance can do is triage.

Accelerationism isn't a solution either; it's just twiddling thumbs until we get to the next great filter that we're compelled toward regardless of any cut brakelines.

Is fapping to charge a sigil blood magick?

>>19381752
No, it's sex magick.

>>19381757
Even though I'm giving sperm?
I heard some people use rape as a form of blood magick. What's the difference between that and sex magick tho other than that's awful

>>19381767
What?
You sound like you need to do a LOT of reading.

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>>19381714
I keep telling you, we pool everyone's money and build that compound in Guyana.

>>19381781
That would end so badly.

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>>19381781
*looks at bank account*
*looks at your post*
*looks back to bank account*

>>19381792
Just you, me, a middle aged southern woman and a compound full of gangly and impressionable young men looking for a father figure. Paradise.

>>19381525

>what is 9 proxies?

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>>19381792
>>19381781
You said you were eyeing a plot?
How much, where, and what's on it?

>>19381816
They vary in price and location and what's on it depends on how much you want to pay. You can get 100 acres of nothing but inaccessible jungle for dirt cheap but riverfront is going to cost you like 2 mil.

My sights have moved to outer mongolia. Tuva would be perfect if it weren't 20 below half the year.

>>19381827
Dude, having lived in Kazakhstan and Russia, don't even bother.

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>>19381830
I was just going to ride a horse across the steppe until I get bored or fuck up and die from exposure.

>>19381827
>outer mongolia. Tuva would be perfect if it weren't 20 below half the year
I'd been looking at Uulanbatur for a while. Tech boom. Need native English speakers. It's a shame Kyrgyzstan's having problems.

RE: Guyana everything on a quick websearch is luxury. 40+mil GYD (so like 200k) Coastal/riverfront isn't quite as bad as you imply but it's still bad.

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>>19381830
>Kazakhstan
>not just going to Tashkent in Uzbek.
And you wonder why you had a bad time?

>ywn find Khidr in Mazandaran

>>19376388
Literally this my guy

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You know you went to the right party when...pic related

>>19381868
I fucking uzbeks. If you want a more mild weather, consider Almata.

>>19381848
I've been eyeballing all the abandoned hotels in Palm Springs....heady compound with my friends is like a life priority. Palm desert has proximity to Joshua tree, they all have pools. The market is depressed there. I've got some family history there as well

>>19381879
Looks like the basement when I ran that partyhouse.

>>19381885
Yeah that's a thing.
>mfw two attached three bed homes for sale in Nepal for 40k usd

>>19381897
We walked in and dude's got gems from the equinox lying around - I'm like oh thank god.

>>19381848
I may have to look into Uulanbatur if it ever clears up politically.

>>19381897
Looks like we're going to nepal. Need to brush up on my mountain chong first.

>>19381893
Those are still a cool mil, which is well beyond my capacity.

>>19381816
Cheapest countries to buy land:
Spain
Greece
Finland
Portugal
Switzerland
Ireland (Fucking Celts...long story)
USA (seriously?? who wrote this article?)
Germany
Japan
South Korea

>>19381909
>nepal
Pardon me, 51,700.26 exactly given exchange rates right this second. That's still insanely good for a nonjunk property.

>>19381919
Ireland has a strong economy.
They tend to only want skilled foreigners tho (Thankfully, I'm skilled).

Need to track down protocols for buying land in some of these backwaters.

I might have some inroads into Nepal (my museum was, once upon a time, a massive sponsor of their state art programs, one of my coworkers had tea with some royals when he visited).

>>19381936
>>19381923
63405.97 usd for a four bed three bath on the outskirts of Kathmandu.

>>19381936
Can't wait to start up a sketchy export e-business to pay the rent. Hope we can find a web dev because all I'm good for is multivariate stats, social psych and accounting.

post links to dirt cheap Nepal property.

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>>19381923
Shit son, I got that in my inheritance.
I sell my house and it's on.
Imma buy me some goats and built a yurt.
Living the dream right there.

>>19381958
Bruh.../omg/ inheritance compound 2020? Cuz between us we could afford j-tree ;)

>>19381964
Idk what the apparently broke menfolk are gonna do to earn their keep tho, I guess they can do chores

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>>19381964
>>19381958
>>19381953
>>19381948
Future site of Shakti Lodge, OTO Nepal's flagship.

Five story office building with home attached.
82915.50 usd.

http://1ropani.com/HouseDetail.aspx?ID=5066

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>>19381971
Well, my MPA is good for all sorts of nonprofit/NGO work. I doubt I'd qualify for a gov position without having familiarity with their governance structures (>implying).

>>19381978

>5 story office building
>in India

This can't end well.

East Honduras would be nice.

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>>19381978
92670.27 usd
http://1ropani.com/HouseDetail.aspx?ID=4629

>>19381991
This is how I die in a cult huh. I knew this was coming

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>>19381964
Joshua Tree?
Isn't that the desert?
I suddenly love you.
I could telecommute.
We accommodated a woman recently to allow her to work from Minnesota telecommute to Tennessee.
I've been wanting to move out West anyway.
I was thinking Montana - but either Mountains or Desert work fine.

Where-ever I land, I got mad skills.
Web Dev
Graphic Arts
Printshop - Screen, Pad, Emboss, Laser, Web Press
Also consumer product R&D
And Asia to US and Asia to Asia international logistics
I'm teaching myself Mandarin and I'm conversationally limited in French and German

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiDpaM2r72A

>>19381994
Now that is a proper sanctum sanctorum.

>>19381991
Yeah that looks like a deathtrap when the faultline cracks again.

But still.
>83k for a fucking office building
Bruh.

>>19382001
It's 7 feet wide with a pillar every 2 feet, no way you can do a proper anything in there.

>>19382001
Someone next to me just said "deathtrap" out loud lmao

>>19381999
>And Asia to US and Asia to Asia international logistics
You have experience with the PRC?
Sounds like hell from what I hear about steel contracting.

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>>19381987
Master's in applied statistics in 1 year or the usual 2? I'm afraid of the workload in a one year compressed course of full time 24 hour, no toilet, no shower stats.

>>19382020
Do we frequent the same threads or something?

>>19382020
Yeah, I PRC on the daily.
That's where all my factory contacts are right now.
There and Hongkong.
Some in India for ballpoint pens and textiles, but even India is getting unreasonable for Cotton.
Stainless always goes up.
Everyone is going through this Stainless Steel crazy right now.
Double wall Stainless.
I have some tentative contacts in Vietnam.
Also, I tried to make some in roads in Pakistan.
They WANT our business - any business actually.
And they are the world leader in sporting goods and sports wear.
But apparently the area is too volatile for my conservative company to take a chance.
Even though I had international QA inspectors lined up for factory visits.

>>19381994
>>>/puja room/
Hnnnnngh

>>19382033
Neat. Sounds like the fifth circle of hell but neat nonetheless.

>>19382030
Go the two mate, I've been working 20-30 with an above FT school enrollment and I'm BARELY getting out in two years.

>>19382053
I was going to just drop everything and live at home to do it. 9 credits every 8 weeks.

>>19382061
I mean, how much sadomasochistic self loathing do you have in you to tolerate that shit? If you can tough it out, sure, but that's a lot of hate to carry around for a year.

>>19381991
>East Honduras would be nice.
How's the sociopolitical climate out there?
What's my odds of getting swarmed by shank wielding ten year olds on a midnight stroll?

>>19382105
>>19381991
>two coups in fifty years
>Guatemala tier crime
Yeeeeeeeeah....

>>19382087
I spent all summer playing catchup with online classes and will be throwing in a 3 course calc sequence during senior sem, next summer and the fall after that to graduate and have the reqs to do a stats masters. I want a degree and 90k a year before I turn 30 or bust.

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>>19382128
You sound like me.

>>19382138
After spending most of my 20s on a voyage of self discovery of new and exotic strains of weed and scumfuck basements, I'm pretty motivated.

>>19381999
Yess girl.

Conveniently I know someone with a place in Montana and in palm desert...omg retreat?

I also have some digital skills, I've designed like 5 or 6 Squarespace pages, I have basic HTML and CSS, Photoshop, I work in documentary film atm so digital content is something I can do

>>19382138
Shouldn't you be doing LA?

>>19376388
I used to respect you up until this post

>>19382213
>didn't get dubs
Meme magick confirmed fake

>>19382201
>implying I'm still on the syllabary
Everything after BHA is being folded into ZHA.

We'll see if I hit TAN again or spiral out into the fully unique recension demanded for Mastery of the Path.

>>19382234
You mean the Devils Masquarade? That sounds hella intriguing

I'm surprised you're doing nothing for Lammas though

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>>19376516

>>19382241
I was told to stay at rest until acted upon.

>>19382247
You """people""" need dragged into a filthy alleyway and shot like dogs.

>>19382268
>the collective will of 1,000,000 extremely emotionally charged shitposters had 0 effect on the election
Clearly, you're in the wrong here. Just admit it before you dig yourself deeper into the hole.

>>19382347
>"It wasn't the 200k or so dedicated shills running bots, basic electioneering, drumming grassroots support (among human filth), agitprop, well poisoning, transnational platform support, no, we must attribute a narrow, by the county, electoral win to an Egyptian entity we have literally zero understanding of alongside our facile grasp of pop culture new age "magic", because our collective autism limits our ability to understand agency. Also ignore than tens of thousands of dubpost "prophecies of kek" never came to pass, those don't count."

Yeah, nice administration y'all meme'd yourselves into, huh?

>>19382438
But Ape couldn't you argue that every religion is basically idiots being manipulated by the "intelligence agencies" of their day?

http://www.wikihow.com/Put-a-Curse-on-Someone

Shoutout to every Tumblr witch that take these seriously

>>19376363
Wish I was able to catch this live. Is there a recording of it up anywhere?

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What's the best book to start studying the Occult with? I've tried reading some of Crowley's stuff in the pastebin, got lost when there was essentially a section right in the intro where he just goes on with, like, "10 is the world of spirits" and stuff without much context.

>What's the best book to start studying the Occult with? I've tried reading some of Crowley's stuff in the pastebin, got lost when there was essentially a section right in the intro where he just goes on with, like, "10 is the world of spirits" and stuff without much context.

_The God Game_... if not that, then the main Plato, Gnosticism, and Hermetism texts, which the aforementioned contemporary book refers to anyway (among basically everything)

>>19383183
You know, I've actually done that, gone with the classics and all I've experimented with was contradictory with what I had read, then I come to /x/ and spill the beans and Ape behaves like an autist because to him books are holy.

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>>19383200
Are you sure it isn't because whatever you said was retarded and you were being a reactionary idiot?

While Ape isn't a God it's pretty rare that someone makes him look dumb

>>19383209
I fucking hate this picture. These assholes sit in there all day making sand pictures and then blow them all away to signify how "we're all just dust in the wind" or some shit, meanwhile the entire village is farming their food. Then they get to sit at a table and eat all the offerings all while saying "I deserve this food for understanding how important we all aren't."

>>19383209
He goes all autistic saying there's no source for what I have experienced in books when I try to rationalize it into systems to give a feel for what it was similar to. Really gets on my nerves.

I'm not a great communicator, usually very scarce with words, so he gets autistic at this too.

>>19383209
>whatever you said was retarded
Also, reality is sometimes considered retarded because we have something to hide. If I say I have discovered that most of mankind is in the bed with a dark power because they are their minions and we are part of this bedtime pact, we will deny it in rage because we don't wanna get caught and we don't want it known, not because it is a lie, as I would have had communications with demons, would have done my sorcery proper, would have done my research and so on. But we have to deny the facts because we are getting caught.
The fact that I was accused of being a christian lunatic while I was saying that the bible is a sad lie tells the whole tale really, the joke practically writes itself.

But of course, I could be wrong, there is the remote possiblity of this dark power I've found lurking to be actually managing people behinds their backs and against their wills and without them noticing, altough I'm gonna laugh out loud at this one seeing what I have gotten out of my research.

>>19383285

"The man whose hands are controlled, whose feet are controlled, whose words are controlled, who is self-controlled in all things, who finds the inner joy, whose mind is self-possessed, who is one and has found perfect peace - this man iI call a monk."

>>19383304
My favourite is when the autists consider you a crazy christian upon mentioning your dark power "theory". It is no coincidence, because the faggots (and many demons) consider christianity to be true.
As I've said many times before, demons are very ignorant about themselves, they don't know where they come from, so since they see themselves in a situation similar to christianity, they believe christianity to be true. It isn't though, it's a false religion, like all religions on earth, really.
Truth of the matter is that dragon symbollism is far from being demonic imagery, it's actually divine, so imagine how wrong christianity can be since they are enemies of dragons. The same can be said about sneks. The same can be said about magic, it's not a forbidden art, and sometimes God may reward you or defend you by granting temporary magical abilities or psychic powers.
Not the christian god by any chance, that one hates sorcery, not base part of his mysteries arround it.

>>19382030
I finally read this image.
You have to ask them everyday.
How's it going, where's the stuff?
How's it going, where's the stuff?
They are horrible at project management.
And QA until you can't QA anymore.
Asia Inspections is a great company for third party QA and they have feet on the ground in more countries than I think of right now because I haven't had coffee.
Always place your order early, and never tell them the true sailing date.
They will always be 1-2 weeks late due to some issue.
Order early, and always tell them an earlier sailing date.
Never tell a factory a "shipping date" - to them, that is the date the goods leave their door, not the date the goods leave on the boat, or train, or plain.
Always say "vessel sailing" never "ship date". or "delivery date".
And I mean ride their ass everyday with status checks.
Demand photos of their factory and office beforehand.
The state of cleanliness and organization will tell you a lot about how they run their business.
Employ native Mandarin speakers and pay them WELL. They can give extra coverage and negotiation power.
I enjoy designing product and CAD work with the Chinese.
But, as soon as money enter the picture everyone on both sides loses their damn minds.

>>19382154
I'm actually entertaining this idea, but I'm not sure how long it would take to viably get there to that point in time where we are sitting on our asses in the desert in lawn chairs drinking tea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDYNuD4CwlI

>>19382105
>>19382119

East honduras is largely unpopulated, away from all the crime in the cities. there actually isn't a major city in east honduras, mostly farming villages and tourist towns. you can buy a few acres for cheap with a honduran corporation. maybe you'll find some ancient Mayan Magicks.

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>>19383508
My goal since 2013 has been to kick this off by 2020. I need to make my job skills a little more "remote-friendly" first. Get some real ass astrology under my belt so I can take clients, combined with the digital shit I'm already doing, should be pretty solid. I want sun-tea in the desert or mountains with my heady friends, Palo. I want it bad.

>>19382030
My company is making a docu series for the Chinese government at the moment and it is a NIGHTMARE. The minute they signed on to the project, cold dread crept over the office. My boss hates working for the Chinese. They kept like, inexplicably trying to stop him from being physically present at filming? But he's the director and producer. Very odd indeed.

>>19383047
Nightlight's website claims the fixed star lecture will be available as a recording, but it doesn't seem to be up yet. I messaged the dude for you to see how you can access it. It'll probably cost like 15 bucks, which in my opinion is well worth it (5 dollars an hour).

You also just made me realize the guy who gave this talk is published with Three Hands Press lol. Knew I liked him.

Now I even more want to take this class he's got posted, "Here There be Dragons: Nodes & Eclipses"

He has a lot of other stuff up for purchase on his site, like this cool ass intro to planetary magic. I seriously recommend him, he blew my mind out of my head. I'm considering booking a private lesson, or 10.

https://austincoppock.com/product-category/lectures-recordings/

Lol, Shaula, you just requested I ask this specific guy about Rahu and Ketu? Apparently he made a recorded lecture just for you about how the nodes tie into eclipses ;)

You can tell dude is lit because he charges 231 usd for a reading. Pic related.

what is the difference between occultism and magick?

>>19383290
>He goes all autistic saying there's no source for what I have experienced in books
This. Experience and Gnosis are by far the most important things on any spiritual path.

If I have an experience with a Goetic spirit that contradicts mainstream gospel, all I would get in this thread is "please cite the source that justifies your own personal experience", or "but Stratton-Kent told me that's not true. Show me a source superior to him"

>>19377711

Pretty simple, someone translated it before me, and I stopped replying when I verified the translation (which in my head would have been a rather more ancient construction, hence why I didn't immediately reply to the callout).

Cute that you think you got me tho, particularly if you're the one defiling Abramelin in the first place.

>>19384284
>>19383290
Since we're not allowed to appeal to historicity, or the source texts for what you guys claim to practice, what's your method of testing spirits or checking experiences? I mean, I could say "the spirits told me that all Aztec godforms are just different names for Sumerian Annunaki" but it doesn't automatically become true just because I was told this, or just because I repeat it. So, again, if books, history, and tradition are all irrelevant, what's your method of quality assurance?

>>19384361
>books, history, and tradition are all irrelevant
Nice of you to change what I said. They are relevant, but are ALWAYS trumped by personal experience.
For example, I can't verify Lon DuQuette's experiences and I'm definitely extremely skeptical of his interpretations, but I can be 100% certain of what I myself have seen and heard.

>"the spirits told me that all Aztec godforms are just different names for Sumerian Annunaki" but it doesn't automatically become true just because I was told this
Again, you're making assumptions that are baseless. I'm well aware that spirits aren't always trustworthy and never did I say we should just believe them.

>>19384409
>They are relevant, but are ALWAYS trumped by personal experience.
K, so what's your method of quality assurance.

> I'm well aware that spirits aren't always trustworthy and never did I say we should just believe them.
No, just that your experience with them trumps EVERYTHING.

See:
>but are ALWAYS trumped by personal experience.
You literally said it in your reply.
>>19384284
>Experience and Gnosis are by far the most important things on any spiritual path.

Thereby implying that your personal experience with them trumps any historical, traditional, or source interpretation thereof.

So, for the third time now, what's your method of QA?

>>19384415
>your personal experience with them trumps any historical, traditional, or source interpretation thereof.
Yes, you got it this time.

Just because a spirit tells me "you're a faggot", doesn't mean I instantly believe it. If, however, I've had a completely life changing experience and then I receive a VERY clear message, I'll take it seriously.

You seem to suck off authority like no one else, just for the sake of it. The reason we have different traditions that disagree with each other is because most people are not such cocksuckers. If we, human beings with a healthy level of distrust, put our interpretations of our own experiences above the unverifiable and biased claims of other people, different traditions form. Deal with it.

>>19384454
>If, however, I've had a completely life changing experience and then I receive a VERY clear message, I'll take it seriously.
What's your method of QA?

>You seem to suck off authority like no one else
What's your method of QA?

>The reason we have different traditions that disagree with each other is because most people are not such cocksuckers
What's your method of QA?

>interpretations of our own experiences above the unverifiable and biased claims of other people, different traditions form. Deal with it.
What's your method of QA?

Quit dodging my query and answer the question.

>>19384467
>why bother reading the post when you can just shitpost
No different than my QA with a friend or random dude on the street.

There are spirits that have completely fucked me with bullshit. I don't trust them. Then there are spirits that have been extremely benevolent and I have all the reason to believe.

>>19384493
>93
>No different than my QA with a friend or random dude on the street.
I'm gonna start calling you Hanz as I guess you believe anything with an "aura of truth".

Are you the retard with reptile eyes or are you the retard who thinks Lemegeton spirits want blood like a low budget 80's horror flick?

>>19384502
No, the one time I tried the blood stuff it ended badly.

What is your QA? If a spirit has been practically a Patron to me, why should I disbelieve them?

>>19384513
pretty sure youre going to hell, mate

>>19384361
>what's your method of testing spirits or checking experiences?
Empiricism and trial and error.

>>19384555
Nice dodge, again.
Now, what's the MECHANISM of your empirical trial and error?

>>19384454
Is sucking a spirits cock really any more valid than sucking off a random guru? Sounds like an easy way to get tricked

>>19384579
Well, since we are dealing with deity exploration, normally one asks for boons and certain things to deities, if they agree to give you a boon and are unable to procure it and then claim that asking for this boon was a shitty move from your part, you are most certainly not dealing with a honest being, since that being agreed to give you the boon initially and assured it to you.

Really, dishonesty can be noticed sooner or later.

>>19384595
>Well, since we are dealing with deity exploration, normally one asks for boons and certain things to deities
What deities are you approaching and in which traditions using which methods?

Also, someone's been griping about my perspectives on Lemegeton entities so let's throw that one in too, in which case the query I just made still applies.

Either way you're still being SUPER vague when I can think of about a half dozen methods of spirit testing across traditions and probably a dozen more if I sit and go through materials.

>>19384579
Sometimes also, if the entity is honest with you, you may discover that this entity is some entity that actually exist but the religion you were exploring was wrong about its identity and function, let's say I did make contact with Abraxas, and I really got interested in Abraxas, and started petitioning to know more so he would signal me to some place where I could learn more, then, instead of being pointed to a gnostic source, by means of how Abraxas signaled to me, I'm given his sign when flipping through a catalog of books that deals with the qliphoth.

Obviously he's forwarding me to a different place of what I was expecting so I may lose my interest in Abraxas.

>>19384609
see
>>19384604

Also please don't tell me you're one of those guys who thinks the Klipot are spheres you can travel to and spheres you can summon. ESPECIALLY when you were dogging on me for relying on *historical and source texts* while the vast majority of Klipot speculation has fuckall to do with anything other than edgelordy theistic satanism.

>>19384051
>I seriously recommend him, he blew my mind out of my head. I'm considering booking a private lesson, or 10.

Keep us updated on how it goes. I'm thinking of booking too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-weY2uqtCE

bumpkin

>>19384604
Well, the hindu traditions proved to be hostile, I won't mention methods because it was very standard spiritual practice.
The same went for the judeochristian tradition, so I assumed gnosticism, tired of the bullshit.

Then I located Abraxas aaand, yeah, he forwarded me to the qliphothic literature.

Of course I have no way of telling it was Abraxas really, which is other of my main problems, I can address Abraxas, but something else may come. Still, unlike the abrahamic deity and the hindu deity, Abraxas seemed actually nice, did nice things to me, but I ultimately decided this wasn't quite what I was searching for, because the original deity that called on me was not Abraxas.

Still, it might be close home, since I'm beginning to accept the fact that I may have been called by the great and ancient Dragon.

>>19384604
>half dozen methods of spirit testing

I have a question about this, actually. When people test a spirit, like what exactly is this about? I know asking the entity questions and checking their answers against your understanding of correspondences can be one way - but what then happens when someone appears unexpectedly, say in an Enochian Aethyr for example, and claims to be someone you don't know much about, like, someone you don't know enough about to test them meaningfully on the fly?

>>19384686
>the hindu traditions proved to be hostile
>>19384604
>in which traditions using which methods?

>I won't mention methods because it was very standard spiritual practice.
Nice out; which Puja were you using? Was it in the native tongue? If not which mantras did you preserve in said tongue, if any.

>The same went for the judeochristian tradition, so I assumed gnosticism
>>19384604
>in which traditions using which methods?

>Of course I have no way of telling it was Abraxas really
Yes, yes you do. Also, it's much more common for it to be "Abrasax" in the traditional material, but don't let that stop you as you obviously know better :3

>Still, it might be close home, since I'm beginning to accept the fact that I may have been called by the great and ancient Dragon.
Post pics of your supposed serpent-eyes, broham.

>>19384698
>Was it in the native tongue?
Om bhagavata vasudevaya I think, but I don't remember it properly.

>you obviously know better

No, I'm sure you do because you have been here.

>>19384691
>someone you don't know enough about to test them meaningfully on the fly?
Proceed with caution and if you encounter them again make sure you know which banishing hexagram to use (see Agrippa's correspondences, for Enochian in particular, followed by GD if that's not cutting it ((which it may not)).

>>19384707
Dude, if that's what you meant by "testing", then you wasted my time. Pathetic.

>>19384703
One mantra isn't puja friend-o.

In any case I really can't take this discussion seriously anymore. You're not only evasive but incredibly disingenuous about things you're pretending to have knowledge of and make sweeping statements about. Your praxis sounds /fringe/ tier from how little you're able to functionally answer from basic inquiry as to your methods/mechanisms and there are any number of threads up more welcoming to ungrounded speculation based on feels from poorly standardized practices.

>>19384717
>>19384604
>I can think of about a half dozen methods of spirit testing across traditions
>>19384707
>for Enochian in particular

I don't think I'm the one dripping pathos here, mate.