/omg/ - /ocultism and magick generals/

>>19341317
Mate if you can't spell don't make the OP.

>>19341326
why can i not spell? sorry for any mistakes i made

>>19341326

Heart's in the right place, though.

also, please post your experiences with sigils, fails and times it worked

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>>19341333
>333
Sure, but I mean it's REALLY grating when I made these half a decade ago to increase general board quality.

>>19341330
Also, switch up the OP pic, fag.

>>19341340
cant do it now, can i?

>>19341340

Another tearful chapter in, Last Stand of the Old Fags.

>>19341349
Nope but it's all good.
Just remember:
>/omg/ should be a bastion of high quality /x/faggotry

ALSO, for those Black Ivory cats who have been sending emails.
It's summer finals. I will try to reply to you tonight or tomorrow morning when I'm on campus.

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quick, describe your experience with the occult in one pic

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>>19341377
>~t. Yakhoff Kremzeek

>>19341369
what is that, some refference only oldfags get? also im pretty sure you're experienced with magick so please tell me if you have any experiences with sigils, i need this

>>19341388
nevermind i confused myself

>>19341369
>ALSO, for those Black Ivory cats who have been sending emails.

How many souls are we talking? Much interest?

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>>19341377

>>19341420
Not many.
Enough for our purposes.

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>>19341377

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>>19341317
So... I think I'm done transcribing "The Secrets of Albertus Magnus." Can finally get around to reading the EGYPTIAN Secrets.

(Disclaimer: Neither were probably written by him.)

What's the best way for me to upload and share for whoever wants some old 17th century pseudoscientific gibberish? Someone mentioned Dropbox. I have two versions, depending on preferences: One with the "Long S" character, and one with the modern S.

I thought about cleaning up the spelling errors even more but I didn't want to detract too much from the original style.

>>19341576
pastebin or mega like in the library

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3h0QpUQxTQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v--IqqusnNQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H91bEGJYBU4

>>19341582
Pastebin might be too much for two versions of a book. I've got them in epub format.

Not sure if it'd be worth me making a mega just for one book though. Was thinking about TinyUpload or ZipShare or something, Google Docs or Dropbox... I dunno, something that doesn't need much signup.

>>19341650
mediafire is good too

>>19341576
Yeah dropbox is good, please upload it, sounds like very a interesting read!

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>>19341420
>How many souls are we talking?
this makes me feel like I'm being harvested

>>19341369
>I will try to reply to you tonight or tomorrow morning when I'm on campus.

ayee. good luck on your finals. i don't miss those.

>>19341317
how many people here practice Feng Shui?

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>>19341720
This is all new to me, let's give this a shot then.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/6vg5785hj7n2lbl/AACCBNayYo0ZLSZSbWR-t1cFa?dl=0

Take your pick, I suppose. The PDF is the original source for anyone who wants it, but the epubs are my cleanup job. If there are any problems with either of those, please let me know guys, I have a tendency to be a lazy perfectionist - not taking all precautions I should to ensure I did a good job, but freaking out if I find out I didn't.

>>19341834
thanks anon

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>>19341838
Not a problem. It was fun.

I don't suppose it's particularly useful from the standpoint of a practitioner, but I thought it was nevertheless a fascinating read.

>>19341803
Loosely. I'll fuck with anything in the category of applied aesthetics ha. The only thing that stuck is the placement of my bookshelf. Feng Shui hugely complicated, as it turns out (which shouldn't have been a surprise to me).

>>19341834
very nice work, how did you scan them? with a normal printer scanner or a horizontal one so that you don't squash the book?

>>19341861
>applied aesthetics
You need more Abhinavagupta.

>>19341834
Thanks mate.

>>19341875
>how did you scan them?
I wouldn't know, I found the PDF online. I only found it and realize parts of it were damn near illegible, so I went about cross-referencing with other versions I could find, Googling, and exercising my own judgment where everything else fell flat.

Damn, if I had a proper physical copy, that would be so cool.

I'm still uncomfortable with some of the work (mostly with some of the archaic names for plants, stones, etc.) but I hope I didn't botch it too badly.

>>19341887
>Abhinavagupta
Wow you're so right. Too bad no one has translated Tantrāloka into english.

>>19341887
>archaic names for plants
I have a dude for that if you want an additional opinion. My best friend is a formally trained herbalist, they might know a thing or two about them if you wanted to run some by them.

>>19341908
>Too bad no one has translated Tantrāloka into english.
Y-you are aware I posted a full scan of it in English in the library, yes?

Also I've got a few of his Aesthetic essays and commentary thereon.

>>19341908
Feel free to show him the book, if you want, maybe come back with some notes.

Should I stick the trip back on for a while, just for the sake of feedback?

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>>19341911
Oh, cool. No one told wikipedia I guess

>>19341922
Yeah I have all eight books and 37 chapters of it, in the Queen's Own.

>>19341928
I'd literally never heard of it until just now. The guy sounds right up my alley though. I found the untranslated one in the Mega but donde esta the english version?

Ooh I just found your sidereal astrology folder. Didn't know that was in there.

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>>19341993
>93
thanks friend

>>19342044
The Locana, Paramarthasara, and Santarasa are Aesthetic philosophy, iirc.

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>>19342055
I have to fuck with my astrology class right now but I'll come back to this later tonight.

I think I'm gonna watch The Ninth Gate tonight. It'll be interesting to see how much I can pick up on this time around.

>>19342168
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0-rv13DDk8

Any good books in the library that might help with controlling sexual urges?

bumping for this>>19342222
in addition to any good texts on sex magic

>>19342225
Thanks for bumping, this is all I found so far but havent gotten it to work yet
http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/apr1/ankhing.htm

>>19342222
http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/lib3.htm

>>19342263
This is all I needed thank you

>>19342330
yw.

please avoid literally everything to do with Drunvalo Melchizedek that guy is some ahistorical trash.

>>19342055

Hey ape you never answered in the last thread so I'll repost the question.

Hey ape question out of the blue, you ever work with the enochian governor "PARAOAN"

I read the idea you had to ask the enochian entities about what Buddha taught them, i've enjoyed a lot of work with them but I think it might be fun/rewarding to try that framework.

I specifically ask of paraoan because I subscribe to the theory that he is the governor of the first gate, that is to say he rules hyperspace/the points in between where the 91 governors rule the rest of the parts of the earth/

He's the "invisible governor"

This is what is said of him "“Every letter in Paraoan is a living fire, but all of one quality and one creation. But unto N is delivered a viol of destruction”. Any part of the world by which this was touched would “be consumed with fire and swallowed into hell, as Sodom was for wickedness"

I figure him and baligon/Hegonel/carmara would be the best angels to ask no?

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>>19341377

>>19342707
So are most of the magick people in a discord? Or straight shit posting here?
Also aren't you people concerned with such an open platform and spooky/black adepts or w/e poking around?

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>>19341377
got another one

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>>19341377
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfnHB5f6FZM&feature=youtu.be&list=PL9l9s4jMhNuSu-fueBEOnqE2zX3mTfD-U

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>>19341377

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>>19341377

Hi guys
Is there a magick where i can help people forget certain memories?

>>19343135
you could try a sigil but im not sure

>>19343135
Therr is, but some I've forgotten it.

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>>19341317
>no Franz Bardon
>no William Atkinson
https://mega.nz/#F!6kJzEIJb!aVVgmWAM-aP_bU_8Co43FA

>>19343280
thanks anon, ill include this in the next post if i make it

>>19343144
>4▶
> >>19343135
>>19343209
ah thanks
can you guys refer to me some sigils or something ?

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>>19341993
Lol the translator is apparently a Leo. The lion-vibes have been inescapable for me recently.

I learned (or relearned in this case) that the path on the TOL attributed to Leo, Teth, spans between chesed and geburah, which was interesting because Shaula and I were comparing Ebony Anpu and AChumbs in terms of their respective Chesed-ian and Geburan attitudes towards spirituality and sexuality. It's cool that those two things spheres turn about the anchor of the path attributed to Lust.

Related ish, In Ebony's esbats he associates Jasmine with the lion and Rose with the eagle. After the new moon the other day I had a dream that one of my good friends (a Leo) walked up to me and gave me a copy of the Book of the Law, red cover, its pages the pages printed on jasmine leaves, paper pressed from the plant. It was supposed to be like a way to have the fragrant experience of jasmine as you turned through the pages, but it was old, and dusty, and barely detectable. Its previous owner had like shredded random pages, sort of in the style of "paste the sheets from right to left." The date of the edition was 1938. There was also an illustration in the back, a pop art version of the famous painting The Great Wave. It was weird.

psh my Leo roommate has a giant lion tattooed on his chest and he just walked into my room as I was writing this. heh.

>>19343280
95% should be filed in his trash folder, but I'll take that Oliver St. John book tho, thx lol. I like that man and his khonsu steez.

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>>19343287
you're welcome, also here's one that has some miscellaneous works
https://mega.nz/#F!K8wTjbiZ!mWFZsQRr2SZYC1AsoE6Shw
I'd advise any initiates to read Atikinson's works in the first link before anything else though, specifically in this order:

1. The Kybalion
2. The Arcane Teachings
3. The Arcane Formulas
4. The Science of Breath Note: Contained within the 2013 Series Lessons book
5. Mind Power: The Secret of Mental Magic
6. Psychomancy
7. Mental Influence
8. 2013 a Series of Lessons [spoiler](2014 edition sucks)[/spoiler]
9. Personal Power (of special importance is the Desire Power subsection of this book, which deals with how to use loosh)

This gives a good frame of refrence with which to delve into the other books.

[spoiler]>4chan is now doing audio captchas[/spoiler]

>>19343334
>95% is trash
you deserve the rope good sir, at least look in the new thought and hermeticism folders

>>19343335
this post is bad and you should feel bad

>>19343287
>thanks anon, ill include this in the next post if i make it
I won't be participating if that's the case. At all.

>>19343280
Fuck off Smiley. The two authors you list are neither Hermetic, nor offer initiation.

>>19343344
>you deserve the rope good sir
Take your retarded drooling mongoloid ass out of my thread Smileyfuck.

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> U S I N G W I N D O W S X P L I K E A B O S S

Genuinely curious, has anyone here ever actually tried any of this and managed to summon something?

You guys are like children playing with matches lol

>>19343411
If you say so tripfag

>>19343360
Reminder that this is the pinnacle of /fringe/'s magick:

https://www.youtube.com/user/FringeWizard

>>19343408
Lemegeton is fun for flashy results.
I'd also humbly posit that Chod is potent on that angle but far less "utilitarian" unless you count acts of compassion as utility.

>>19343330
Anyone???

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hi guys, today I tried charging my sigil after creating it and doing all the correct rules, whilst i was trying to charge it I was seeing really scary stuff like a picture from mid 1900s of a family all dressed in white, everything very pale and dreamy expect for their eyes which were literally completely black, the family had about 4-5 members and the wife looked very psychotic for some reason. If anyone has experienced anything similar/knows anything about this then a reply would be helpful, thanks.

>>19343441
Agrippa.
Austin Osman Spare
Everything in the Chaos folder.

>>19343424
So you're saying you've had some degree of success with this?

>>19343445
Thanks bruh

>>19343452
Physical manifestation observed by second/third parties is an A.'.A.'. requirement.

Mind you the LITMUS for that is functionally low ("vapors"), I've both personally and with ritual partners seen full visible images.

Oriax/Orias likes to get visible for me.

>>19343473
Interesting. What do you typically summon shit for? Like what sorts of things can I do once they're summoned?

>>19343445
Thanks again but is there anyone I can also summon to erase memories?

>>19343491
>>19343504
http://bfy.tw/D0yC

>>19343521
Thoth I have an issue.
Working with Goetia, I can reliably get intended results but I have yet to have any experience speaking to, hearing, seeing, getting mental images, etc. from any entity of any kind.
Like I said, I have gotten my intended results and I would consider my work to be successful. But really it's just frustrating to do this with no kind of recognition or even the ability to ask a damn question and get an answer.

Last time I tried to contact an entity I stared into a scrying ball for nearly an hour and saw nothing, heard nothing, etc.

Any suggestions?

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>>19343344
>you deserve the rope good sir
hangedman.jpeg

I did look in the Hermeticism folder, that's where i got the O St. J book. Nice guy. A little apocalyptic, but nice.

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>>19343424
>Chod
how the fuck am I supposed to find a graveyard that would let me sleep in it. The only places "touched with death" near me are places where people would call the cops because they think I'm homeless. I could go to a civil war battlefield or something but I don't think that's the same.

>>19343612
>that would let me sleep in it
Bon Chod does not have that requirement. It's four pages of oration.

>>19343548
>scrying ball
Switch to smoke reading. That's the way the authors of the Lemegeton tradition operated.

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>>19343635
You're right I got confused. Should have read Kalu Rinpoche before I dicked around with secondary information

maybe I just want to be generous to my local ghosts

i see that those bardon/secret teachings/kybalion autists are posting their stupid bullshit book recommendations in other threads. we must wage meme jihad.

>>19343612
Touched with death:
1) Hospital
2) Tree Stand
3) Parking lot at a stretch of road with lots of motor vehicle crashes
4) Commercial Farm
5) Room where a family member has died

Expand your horizons a bit.
Death is interwoven in every aspect of existence.

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>>19344153
Annnd I'm a shitty parent.
I was stacking iron implements in the Nganga - went to put Henre in.
He fumbled out of my hand and face planted on bed of iron and knocked out 2 of his teeth.
I'm gonna super glue them back in.
I feel super horrible now, like the whole process is tainted by my carelessness.
I could say he deserves it for looking like he wants to bite me sometimes when I wake him up.
But he looks sad and dirty to me now.
Rhetorically, what to do?

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>>19341377
alternatively
>>19344153
>Death is interwoven in every aspect of existence.
how relevant
>>19344201
Poor Henre, maybe treat him to something nice.

>>19341552
this

Long story short:
Tried chaos magick: Didn't work.
Tried Goetia: Didn't work.
Wrote down sexual desires on paper and burned it: Worked, but had to expell the entity.

What should I learn? Witchcraft?

>>19343444
bump

>>19345066
>Wrote down sexual desires on paper and burned it: Worked, but had to expell the entity.
What? What entity? What kind of magic is this?

>>19345439
Well, there was something touching my dick and bringing slight pleasure, but completely draining me of vital energy.

>>19342541
>I read the idea you had to ask the enochian entities about what Buddha taught them

Where did you read this?

I need some advice here. I am trying sigil magick and I have seen several methods to do it, in most of the techniques capital letters are used and no vowels are deleted, only repeated letters; In other cases I have seen that they use combined upper and lower case letters, in addition to erasing vowels and repeated letters. Is any technique correct, does one work better than another, or does it really depend on the intention?

I need someone to convince me why I should or shouldn't give a shit about Thelema in the space of a post or two. Anyone?

>>19345755
You shouldn't because its ultimately a syncretic crap pile and plenty of materials can be read without drinking Crowleyanity koolaid

>>19345960
But isn't it the nature of Hermeticism to assimilate things that don't explicitly disagree with it? Like Kabbalah during the renaissance. So far in a explorations, it seems to be Golden Dawn styled magical practice that just so happens to have Raja Yoga being practised along side. What is wrong with this? Can I ask what you practice instead, just so I can have a better idea of who I'm talking to. I can see why Thelema is attractive to casual half-arsers, but I've also met Thelemites who are some of the most educated, philosophically mature and dedicated occultists/mystics I've yet to meet.

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>>19345995
>I've also met Thelemites who are some of the most educated, philosophically mature and dedicated occultists/mystics I've yet to meet.

>By their fruits you shall know them

>>19345755
You shouldn't because it's 80% LARP and 20% baby-tier stuff.

>>19346259
What do you mean by LARP and could you give me some examples of stuff that isn't baby-tier?

>>19346265
Yes, a lot of it is poetry and bulky, worthless ritual that takes 10 times as long as it should for shit-tier results. Anything good it has, other systems have it better.

I highly recommend Franz Bardon's Initiation into Hermetics. Ignore the Theory section.

>>19346294
Well this doesn't help me much. I've looked at IOH before but had people on /x/ telling me that it's shit so I bought a bunch on books on mostly G.D stuff by Regardie and all that and ended up looking at Crowley/Thelema a few months ago. Still looking around though. I don't see myself going back to looking at Bardon but thanks for the input.

>>19346312
What are you trying to do?

Rumi say- "Let yourself be silently drawn by the strange pull of what you really love. It will not lead you astray."

>>19346332
This isn't the place for me to write a long, heartfelt autobiographical account of how I ended up looking into magical occult stuff. I've ended up looking at Thelema. So far I can't see what's wrong with it and want more experienced practitioners of such things to try and tell me why it's shit, but the vast majority of attacks on Thelema revolve around Crowley's flaws as a person, which, although I don't ignore that side of pondering whether or not Thelma will be worth my time, noone ever seems to be able to give a real description of what the A.'.A.'. system of practice is lacking or does wrong, its only ever "oh but Crowley was an asshole, did heroin and ate shit so SEGALBGBALJEG FUCK THEMELA". It's not difficult to get Thelemites to tell me what they like about Thelema's style of practice, but I want to get a balance of opinions as a part of my exploration of whether or not a want to put my seatbelt on and decided that Thelema is something that will get me somewhere if I put my time into it long term.
I've always had problems with indecisiveness and want to feel like I know damn well what I'm signing up for before I go contacting an A.'.A.'. lineage, or joing O.T.O. or whatever. You feel me?

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I shot out a quick email for the LoBI folks, but it's probably a touch sparse, just walked in the door.

Will be around.

Gonna be hitting homework mostly for today, as well as continuing my construction of ZHA's barbarous names in parallel with what's in Totemic Invokation of the Shadow Selves.

>>19346294
Fuck off back to your containment website shill, most of the people here are smart enough to know that Franz Bardon is ass

>>19346379

My big problem with Thelema is that it lacks heart. It's a fatal flaw.

>>19346406
>it lacks heart
explain

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>>19346406
>that it lacks heart
>~t. never read the Book of the Serpent Braided Heart

Does anyone know what the oldest physically preserved sigils (of any kinds) are?

>>19341317
So does anyone have any experience with Nosferatu looking things?

I tried to do some basic magic stuff a little while ago and had just made a little ball in my hand, and while I was trying to figure out what to summon or speak to, I saw hands. Little grabby hands with claws, and I saw this skinny Nosferatu looking thing with huge red eyes crawl out of the ball like it was a flat portal. I felt paralyzed, cold sweat on my skin, my heart started hammering in my chest, and when I opened my mouth to scream nothing came out. It came closer and it pressed its face against mine, so even when I closed my eyes I could see its face. There was this cold stuff on my face, like I had dunked my face in jello. It just sat there and stared at me while my heart pounded and terror raced in my mind, but I regained my senses and was able to chase it away after a time.

Does anyone else have anything on this subject? I feel really weirded out, cuz I barely believe in any of this shit, but the cold feeling of terror was so blisteringly real.

>>19346446
Yes.

Short. Chubby. Red eyes. Spindly hands. Oblong head. Maw of fangs.

I dunno what they are. My friends who don't practice jack shit have seen them in the woods near where I do my Work during night hikes.

One tried to crawl in bed with my SO and I. Caressed her leg. She went BALLISTIC.

It's probably just some kind of low-key astral gribblie. Don't give it fear to feed on.

>>19346460
Any tips on keepin the gribblies at bay?

>>19346379
The reason I stay away from the OTO because none of the members ever accomplished great things. There are no Gurdjieffs or John Dees. Just that bumfucker Crowley.

>>19346460
>It's probably just some kind of low-key astral gribblie. Don't give it fear to feed on.

This. That kind of shit happened to me years ago in beginning astral travels/occult stage.

The more you try to fight it or fear it you give it more attention, which it thrives/lives on.

>>19346495
Banish often.

>>19346508
We have:
>Parsons
>Cameron
>Zorn
>Patton
>Page
>Mahendranath
>Lokanath (who literally created tech-journalism)
>Enough professors to staff a small uni
>CF Russell
>JFC Fuller
>JC Jones
>

what is the field of study that can be studied at an university, that is most closely related to the occult/magic?

>>19346528
Occultism and magick.

http://gsh.uva.nl/content/masters/western-esotericism-theology-and-religious-studies/western-esotericism.html

>>19341317
I cast this spell
on a board rarely swell
for the lights does tell
for our knowledge to never curtail
for the shades of light prevail
3 time 3
may the digits acompany
so mote it be ~

anyone here a member of the temple of set? thoughts on the ToS in general?

>>19346548
Anon, I must confess,
Sorrow to hear and see,
How awful is your progress,
In the Arte of Poetry.

Perhaps next time instead,
Of voicing feeble skill,
You shut your fucking head,
And make your verses nil,

But of course you shall ignore,
And continue with your shit,
Though one thing I adore,
Is observing autistic fits.

>>19343360
>franz bardon is not hermetic

what

>>19346579
>what
I'm getting sick of having this discussion ever four days.

Bardon is neither Initiatory nor Hermetic. The text he presents has zero grounding in the Corpus Hermeticum, Chaldean Oracles, the Arabic Grimoires (secretum secretorum, etc.), or any other contemporaneous materials. Moreover IIH offers zero in terms of a funtioning initiatory ritual, and seems to contain zero coherent reference to Freemasonry, early Gnostic initiations, the functional mystery cults, SRIA, OoGaRC, HOoGD, or the traditions using Dee's keyword for three hundred years.

>>19346524
I hate every single one of those people aside from 3 who I don't even know. So, yes, the OTO is garbage.

And none of those people are any kind of great Mahasiddhas, so I don't know why you think it's impressive.

>>19346583
>the title isn't accurate
>reeeee
Lmao, so what? The methods are all that matter.

>>19346583
Hello brother. If only we could meet face to face and not through the shade of our will.

Please excuse my composition.

>>19346586
>I hate every single one of those people aside from 3 who I don't even know. So, yes, the OTO is garbage.

Your hating them does not in anyway diminish their accomplishments or the fact they made them.

>>19346586
>boiling over with hate
>wants Liberation

Best of luck, broham.

>>19346609
>implying I want liberation
No, I like this world very much, thank you. The Demiurge is actually a swell guy.

>>19346615
Then why bring up the Mahasiddhas?

>>19346586
>a ground breaking military theorist
>a ground breaking rocket scientist
>several accomplished academics
>people of great worldly success

>I don't want liberation I swear... baka

>>19346615
>The Demiurge is actually a swell guy.

Someone really needs to patch that leak over at /fringe/

>>19346627
Because they actually accomplished something beyond historical-guesswork and intellectual masturbation.

And many Siddhas did not give a fuck about moksha.

>>19346646
You sound upset, anon.

>>19346653
who are the mahasiddhas?

>>19346653
I'm literally shaking senpai

'Bout to curse people with a jar of dead moths

>>19346415

It lacks compassion. Legalism failed for the same reason.

>>19346422

Possibly not.

>>19346460
>Caressed her leg. She went BALLISTIC.

Charming.

>>19341317
I always petition the royals to make me wealthy and ill help do their bidding

>>19345726

can somebody shed me some light here?

Sometimes when I smoke weed or meditate deeply I feel like I'm getting... rode or sucked by something. Once afterwards I decided to watch porn, and after finishing I got the coldest fucking chills one could Imagine. I assume my energy was stolen.

Any good info/source on this phenomenon?

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>>19346653
you forgot to email me again :x
>>19346694
>Legalism failed
the dumbest statement in this thread by far and that's saying something
>>19346379
One of my favorite things about Thelema is that it cuts right through the diseased, egotistical, hyper-sentimental, commoditized, escapist way we view things like "love" and even "compassion" in contemporary society, allowing one to attain a purity of union beyond the inhibitions of self or society.

>>19346720
>I assume my energy was stolen.

Nope you just jizzed it out.

>>19346738

Thanks for the informative reply broham. Usually doesn't feel like a liquid nitrogen bath though.

>>19346809
>some fag has invited you to discord

Oh boy

>>19342727
get in here https://discord.gg/Nv3Jvvd

>>19346720
>Rode
You *rode* a horse, something *has ridden* you, just sayin

>>19346694
>It lacks compassion.

>Dost thou fail? Art thou sorry? Is fear in thine heart? Where I am these are not. Pity not the fallen! I never knew them. I am not for them. I console not: I hate the consoled and the consoler.

Ra Hoor Khuit is not a "nice" god.

>>19346811
if you dont wanna join, dont

>>19346815
>>19346809
I'm gonna start reporting you dude.

>>19346823
ok sure, dont know why tho

>>19346818
>Ra Hoor Khuit is not a "nice" god.

Exactly so. He sucks at keeping the lights on, too.

>>19346759
You should banish before you meditate next time, and watch where your head is at when you're jerking it

I was thinking about getting a tattoo. Nothing big. Just something small on my wrist. I wanted to maybe reference the occult somehow with it. The occult has been a big part of my life for a while. But I can't really think of anything appropriately symbolic. I was thinking maybe the elemental triangles. But I'm not sure. Does anyone have any suggestions?

>>19346896
the word "faggot"

>>19346831

Yeah I guess so. I'm mostly just interested on what exactly is happening as it doesn't occur very often. Funny thing is that the stimulation intensified as I attempted to concentrate on meditation, but then waned as my attention shifted to it. Something wanted to fuck with me in more ways than one.

>>19346818

Kek, this info probably saved me from some future embarrassment. Not a native speaker obviously.

>>19346896
m

>>19346896
make a sigil i meant sorry i have shit internet

There's a lot of books in the library.... what is the most recommended book to read for beginners?

I don't know if this fits in this thread, probably isn't magic, but I've somehow found a way to increase my bodyheat by focusing hard enough, I can use the same technique to become more alert when I focus it in my head. Anyone here that could explain wtf I'm doing?

>>19347072
http://www.nytimes.com/1982/02/09/science/science-watch-heat-from-meditation.html

>>19347098
I guess I learned that technique by accident, interesting.

>>19347032
Probably something in the folder labeled Beginners

>>19346734
>One of my favorite things about Thelema is that it cuts right through the diseased, egotistical, hyper-sentimental, commoditized, escapist way we view things like "love" and even "compassion" in contemporary society, allowing one to attain a purity of union beyond the inhibitions of self or society.
So you're telling me that the diseased, egotistical, escapist ways of Thelema cut right through the diseased, egotistical ways that normies view certain concepts in contemporary society. I'd almost kek if what you said wasn't so sad.

>>19347130
There's a lot of books in that folder, I'm not sure where to start!

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Where do I start with the occult? I want to get I better idea of the different schools and their respective histories.

So far I've only read Robert Anton Wilson and other New Age wankery.

>>19347135
Pick the system that cuts through your ::specific:: breed of engrained bullshit. If this one isn't The Thing for you, move it right along.

>>19347147
>le postmodernist meme
not again

>>19347151
>>19341385

>>19347184
no such thing as a third pill. we're in postmodern times so there are infinite pills and theyre all equally valid, you racist

>>19347191
>all equally valid

We have a special snowflake among us. Don't forget to pick up your trophy on the way out.

>>19347191
>I don't know what postmodernism is but I think it has something to do with Jews

>>19347191
Actually some argue we are in post-postmodern times friend and some others would even say post structuralist :^)

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>>19347151
>muh objective reality

So are you guys mostly thelemites?

Anyone here is a philosophical satanist feeding their ego most of all?

>>19347221
>not post-trans-meta-modernism

>>19347251
>So are you guys mostly thelemites?

I kinda doubt it

>>19347251
>So are you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW1jxJ6ISks

What's a trusted place to learn the meanings of numbers and such?

>>19347323

777/Sepher sepheroth

>>19347323
Pythagoras

>>19347323
>>19347328

And Agrippa, of course.

>>19347328
>>19347330
>>19347332
Thanks, anons.

https://youtu.be/nC7ii3Ir-no

>>19347322
>I am the mountain
I wish any other song by that band was as good as that one

>>19347379
This rules.

Glass animals has been steady on my most-played list recently

https://youtu.be/z4ifSSg1HAo
>I'm crooked but alright

https://youtu.be/wwr-0Ps1xY8

>>19346524
Patton?

Does it matter if the candles you use are scented?

>>19347251
I just like learning anything I can.

>>19347475
I hear that's a bad idea. They mess up the juju or something. Best to provide your own scents.

>>19347475
it doesn't matter, it's ok to be gay anon

>>19347475
This really depends on what you're doing. What are you using them for?

>>19341317
Ocult Magick General reporting for duty, sir!

https://youtu.be/binN-lTcmyU

>>19347205
>satrical, sarcastic trolling goes over his head
>>19347208
>>19347221
jewish post-postmodernists detected
>>19347229
even impermanent emptiness can be said to be objectively absolute :^)
>>19347275
^^

>>19347841
One can say a lot of things, but emptiness item self is empty. Is that statement? Yes, it's recursive and consumes any meta-level of analysis levelled at it

>>19347438
First we take George Patton, then we take Merlin

What's your endgame /omg/?

>>19348119
eternity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYoOpBTMJYI&t=1905s

>>19348246
>Alan Moore pretending not to notice richard dawkins to avoid awkwardness

fav mental image

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Is the Essential Enochian Grimoire by Aaron Leitch any good? Has anyone read it?

>>19348390
>Leitch
Most likely excellent.

never tried to attack anyone with magic, whats best low level and really long range magic? need to deal with someone in london

>>19347251
>>19347300
The regular(s) who have even a primitive idea of what they are talking about are thelemites, and they are mostly rote memorization.

>>19348390
it's pretty good. i picked it up as a beginner and it was insanely confusing but still a fairly interesting read

Logos and Demiurge seem to have a similar horizon.

If God/Logos/Demiurge is author of all that is good, the Greeks seem to have two Demiurgic powers to account for evil in different ways.

Christianity does not seem to have any options?

>>19346392
And most people who claim so are unable to suggest good alternative "all-in-one" study book. There's plenty of shit in the pastebin, but none of which anyone could give a good reason for why it'd be better.

>>19349657
>good alternative "all-in-one" study book
Magick in Theory and Practice
Magick without Tears
One Year Manual
Undoing Yourself
Hathayoga, Shiva Samhita, Raja Yoga
Self Initiation into the Golden Dawn
Dragon Book of Essex

>>19349668
Well, fuck. You'd better be right because now I will have to check them all out before being able to honestly tell you whether you're wrong or not, and I'd rather not read crap.

>>19349668
And why any of these would be better?

>>19349674
1) They are written by actual initiates.
2) They do not claim to impart initiation or outlines of systems they have nothing to do with (as IIH does).
3) At least three of them have extensive citations and footnotes, whereas each of them are carefully researched for historicity
4) Each is supported by a school of initiates which can help you parse through them.

Wanting to attempt a goetia summoning.
Is it worth using a black mirror like alot of guides recommend or is just following the /sum/ pastebin enough?

Anyone here looked into the "creating magickal entities" in the thelema folder in the library? If you have, did it work successfully?

>>19349395
help

>>19347143
Secret Teachings of All Ages by Manly P. Hall is alright.

So it's kind of unorthodox, but using the sigilization process I created a symbol I can visualize in order to regain focus whenever I'm having an ADHD moment or I'm just sleep deprived or stressed or whatever. Is this a sigil, or is it something different?

>>19349878
check the combat magic pdf in chaos magick folder

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>>19341377

Is Art of Memory by Giorgio Bruno a good read or there is an actualized version good for real? Is there any other good book from Bruno related to occultism and magick? What a great man he was.

>>19349991
>giorgio

Fuck myself, I mean Giordano Bruno!

>>19349395
>low level
>long range
Guessing by the fact you see magic as some shit from RPG games, you lack knowledge and basics to do any magic at all at this point, yet alone something effective enough to directly cause harm to anyone but yourself.

>>19348390
>Is the Essential Enochian Grimoire by Aaron Leitch any good? Has anyone read it?

Leitch is interesting, but ultimately rather clueless about Enochian.

>>19349996

Have you read Frances Yates?

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>>19341377

>>19350020
>Have you read Frances Yates?
Nope, but I will. Thanks!

http://keepersoftherealms.blogspot.com/p/the-qliphoth-reverse-tree-contd.html

Comprehensive list in common "wizard" terms.

>>19350104

Her book on Bruno is quite good.

>>19350109

Heh.

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>>19350109

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>>19341377

Bardon > Crowley

anyone who thinks otherwise is just a tryhard edgy wannabe. Bardon is just so much more scientific

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Morning bump.

>>19350196
This actually made me laugh audibly in my office.

>>19348246
Hey, looks like I accidentally did a single reply to >>19350247 which I guess should be alright given that's where the battery of questions were from.

I'm still in crunch time here.

So, I'm a young initiate and I'm wondering what would be a good beginning book to start my journey on, then what books or group of books should I progress to.

Reminder that Advaita is filthy, solipsistic poison. It's a disease of the mind.

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There's a woman in an online game. She's 38, has a 14 year old kid and is obviously really lonely. She's from Denmark.

She's being manipulated and cucked by some 25 year old from Cali.

I can't say to her that this is not a real relationship she's in. I can't say to her what is really going on so how do I split them up?

>>19350667
how are you an initiate if youre asking for beginner books to start your journey? or did you read bardon and think he initiated you?

>>19350929
you shut your whore mouth, vaishnavite scum. your dualistic bullshit is on par with superficial, exoteric christianity. you should feel bad about that. renounce your heresy. join shiva in his fullness.

>>19351277
I mean it in the sense I read the Kybalion and a few of the books in the beginner file but it all seemed nonsensical. So I thought to ask for a beginner book and a progression chart.

>>19351285
https://www.amazon.com/Zen-Mind-Beginners-Informal-Meditation/dp/1590308492

>>19351289
>it seemed nonsensical
>so this guy comes in and offers a zen book filled with paradoxes
nice one

>>19351285
It depends on what you're interested in.

>>19351277
The entire concept of Initiation is cancer and needs to die along with your rotten, outdated OTO nonsense.

>>19351289
Thank you, I'll invest into this.

>>19351307
I'm not awful sure actually, that's was I was hopping to find out as I read. Do I need a goal before I start?

>>19351289

Probably one of the best.

>>19351319

Heh.

>>19351293
the Kybalion is just a list of simplistic, super western, not-remotely-paradoxical axioms. If anon found it confusing, maybe they could something a little more like soto zen.

>>19351333
The "arvin gupta" pdf you can find easily online is crap, fyi. The epub on amazon is good.

>>19351285
>I read the Kybalion
have you considered killing yourself? Probably the best way to reach enlightenment if you've fallen that far

>>19345755
If some people in an anonymous Chinese basket weaving forum can convince you one way or the other, you probably aren't cut out for a system like Thelema. Maybe try Christianity.

>>19351607
rude. just cause hes at the entry-level doesnt mean he should kill himself. he just needs to grow.
>>19351319
youre retarded. you dont know what initiation means. every major religion and tradition has initiation somewhere in there, as an important practice.

>>19351622
im neither a christian nor a thelemite but if i were to choose between the two, thelema wouldnt even get close. there are more sublime secrets hidden in the writings of important christian figures in the past twenty centuries (particularly the first four centuries but there are lots of great developments after that, especially east of the vatican), than in the writings of a syphillitic englishman that writes gay poetry for goth rejects.

>>19351626
I'm saying it has no legitimate spiritual significance beyond tingling your butthole.

How many OTO fags have Siddhis? Then what good is their dumb initiation?

>>19351648

Hayseed.

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>>19351689
>he thinks the Siddhi traditions didn't have initiations
>he thinks gurus didn't use Siddhis to initiate (kundalini penetration)
>he thinks the OTO is the only modern initiatory system

>>19351696
>he thinks he can put words in my mouth
No, and Shaktipat is not the same as a gay sex rite in the OTO and LARPing as an Egyptian priest.

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>>19351703
>he thinks there's any sex at all before the Hermit triad
>he doesn't know about Kaula oral traditions
>he's never read the pyramid texts
>he thinks OTO initiations are egyptian

>>19351696

If they knew their shit, they wouldn't be trolling /omg/.

>>19351703

It's devolving!

>>19351717
>sucking Ape's butthole this hard
No wonder the mods regularly assrape these threads.

>>19351689
the guy you responded to originally did not mention the OTO. you did, because youre sexually repressed and you want gaynal initiation. you crave it. you know it wont give you siddhis but you want it anyway. but because you were raised in a christian household, you try to repress it more by projecting your insecurities on others in this thread. go be a gay nigger elsewhere, faggot.

>>19351732

So, what esoteric practices made you an open cesspit like this?

>>19351740
m8, I've been in these threads for two years now. The only times there's a quality discussion is when Ape is too high to shitpost and strawman half the thread.

>>19351648
Lel.

>>19351759
you could have spent that time acquiring the siddhis you so covet. but instead, you shitpost about dumb shit. congrats.

>>19351759
Found the report spammer. How are "we the people" doing?

>>19351768
>implying I don't have a daily practice
Nah senpai. I'm making progress and it's very nice. Then I come here and read people telling me to an hour of Resh a day. lmao

>>19351771
I don't think I've ever reported a post, on any board, ever. Keep being paranoid though.

>>19351759
Also
>lies about the OTO
>lies about Thelema
>lies about me

>>>accuses me of strawmanning and shitposting

Erry time.

>>19351782
So you just shit everywhere while lying through your teeth.

Good to know.

>>19351759

Two whole years?

Good lord.

>>19351783
>having such a total lack of self-awareness
Dude, I'm not gonna lie to you. Smoking dope all day and pretending to be Merlin on Peyote is no better than your cousins huffing petrol.

It fucks your mind all the same.

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>>19351804
>it's time for abject racism!
Yeah no go fellate a shotgun barrel Cletus.

>>19351812
In no way was my post racist. I believe it's just a cultural menace that you seem to pretend to be immune to.

>>19351828
I know some actual peyote using Indians and they are very serious about their rituals

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>>19351812
>muh racism

Bruh. This kind of shit is why I never come in here anymore.

>>19351958
good riddance

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>>19351958
Hey Jethro, howabout you go paint the wall with your brains too, fuckmouth.

>>19351828
>concern trolling
It's like I'm actually on /pol/

>>19351971
The kaballah (((triggers))) (((them)))

>>19351812
How was that post racist? Who the fuck knows your race anyway?

>>19346583
>offers zero in terms of a funtioning initiatory ritual

"Initiatory" doesn't mean "having undergone an initiation ritual". Your only legitimate criticism is that Bardon pretty much misnamed his system "Hermetics" when it really wasn't. That doesn't make the practices worthless or any less initiatory, except by your own re-definition and need for lots of Hebrew "words of power".

>>19352011

Ape is a shitskin muzzie that participated in the honor killing of his own sister.

>>19352042
>"Initiatory" doesn't mean "having undergone an initiation ritual".

Wat?

>>19352081
five bucks says the anon says "initiatory" means "introductory."

>>19352042
There's entire books written on the concept of initiation that say you're an ignorant twat

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>>19352042
>Bardon pretty much misnamed his system "Hermetics" when it really wasn't

what an egregiously shitty thing to do. It's almost like he's kind of a con artist

>That doesn't make the practices worthless or any less initiatory

unless you consider advice for how to properly take a shower or record in a diary initiatory it absolutely does

>>19351971
>sensitive minority accuses everyone of racism while calling people rednecks
lmao seems not even Yoga can loosen up your native butthurt.

How grotesque.

>>19349890
This is probably, the best place to start.

You realize, through people like Hall, that you actually need to be a learned scholar before you can have any serious opinion on something like religion or the occult.

BALG, Chaos, Thelema and so forth are generally the live, laugh love megachurches of magickal practice.

I like Hermeticism.

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>>19341377

Thought I'd ask here. Can humans have inborn blood and abilities from supernatural beings? If so, how would one be able to access that power?

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>>19341377

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>>19351242
Tell her what's really going on.
She's on a forum - type it out and send it.
She'll thank you later.
Or at least look back on it and be happy someone at least tried to talk some sense into her.
May take a while, but eventually.
When feelings get involved, people say and do dumb shit.
Emotions drive 80% of all decision making.
Logic drives only 20%.

>>19349470

>>19341993
Now I'm wondering what else you have in "Interesting Stuff."

Are there any books about the history of the occult in the pre-1300s era?

>>19352445

Wins.

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>>19341377

>>19349470
This post triggered me I'm not gonna lie
>>19353285
>pre-1300s era
start with "Star Ships" by Gordon White

>>19353643
Is it because you are rote memorization?

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>>19353700
>you are rote memorization?

bitch I might be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj3HPN74ohY

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I'm seeing Babylon and apocalyptic references everywhere. Is it coming?

>>19353643
Thanks for the suggestion, I'll look into it.

how do I become female like I was born female and can give birth etc etc. I can't live until I am female please help.

>>19354561
Yes

>>19354561
imho, it's not the end of the world. A time of change no doubt, but not the end. The Abrahamic lore doesn't have a concept of cycles like most other large bodies of religious lore do, so every time there's a big change they freak out. I for the life of me cannot recall the exact sauce on this, but I swear I read somewhere years ago in some sort of history text that at the time leading up to the year 1000 people were freaking out really bad because they thought that was going to be the time of the second coming and the end or whatever. The same sort of thing on a lesser scale happened leading up to 2000, and to 2012. I can't blame people, big changes are scary, but to take an apocalyptic bent to it seems like a bit of an overreaction.

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Bump. Also it is the end of the world. Don't be a pussy, you incarnated now for a reason

>>19349890
>>19352360
>True black magic is performed with the aid of a demoniacal spirit, who serves the sorcerer for the length of his earthly life, with the understanding that after death the magician shall become the servant of his own demon. For this reason a black magician will go to inconceivable ends to prolong his physical life, since there is nothing for him beyond the grave.

why won't you helpme become female. Let's get things done.

>>19354781

It's not possible.

>>19354788
it is magick can do the impossible, you are just a role player.

>>19354792

If you know more about it than I do, why haven't you turned yourself into a woman yet? Better yet, how about you leave this thread and make yourself disappear? You can be The Invisible Woman.

>>19354776
So he basically says that everyone that bind demons and such is making a pact with that demon and becomes the servant of them in Hell? Which means suffering, horrors and shit?

>>19346708

Read Agrippa and Spare.

>>19347143
Uhh...RAW isn't exactly "New Age." At least, not by the definition I'm aware of.

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>>19353102
Thanks man. I had a talk to her today and it's even worse than I imagined. She's fucked beyond all recognition. Ultimately, I pussed out and said "it's not my business, it is my business to wish you the best". I have no interest in this woman other than the fact she reminds me of someone that I saw almost treated like this before.

I'm firing up some sigils anyways. Not sure if you'll even see this because the thread is on auto sage but thanks for taking the time to reply

please recommend a book about sigils for an artist, i am a beginner.

>>19355884
*nod*
You tried, that's all that matters.
NOW, if you want to try other methods go for it.
You've exhausted Physical/Rational options.