Debunk flat earth

>>19330642
Microscopic robots in our brains that make us believe that all of the ball-earth theories sound rational when they're really not. Some people are smart enough to overcome their control and see the world for the 3.5" floppy it really is.

>>19330642
IS NOT "FLAT' HEEHEE U PLEB
IS LIKE A DISC MOUNTED ON TURDLE THAT WALKS US TO SPACE ITS LIKE UR A FUCKING BIGIT RACIST HITLER HEHEHE
SORRY FRIEND I WIN AGAIN

>>19330642
Please provide your experimental process that you used to reach these conclusions so that we may recreate and verify your data

unless, of course, you're just a sheep repeating what someone else told you is true.

>>19330884
Shouldn't "flat earth" retards go first?

>>19330642

It's bad enough when the chimps start their own threads.

>>19330945
No flat earthers are making claims in this thread, only OP. With these claims comes the burden of providing proof

If the Earth was flat how comes we can see different star constellations when we go to the other side of the Earth aka other countries

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>>19330884
>Asked to explain observable phenomena with flat Earth
>H-HOW DID YOU REACH YOUR CONCLUSIONS
This is why nobody takes you seriously.

>>19330973
>observable phenomena

you didn't provide a reproducible process used to acquire these observations, thus they are not scientifically valid

>>19330642
Ok the deal with flat earth is it's not real. Done

I'm not the OP you fucking mongoloid, but here you go
>How does your GPS work
Does your GPS work?
>Pendulums
Buy a pendulum
>Moon rotation between hemispheres
Go on vacation
>8 inch drop per mile
Go outside
>Shadows
Go outside and take measurements, especially during the solstices

>>19331112
Meant for >>19331064

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>>19330973
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaeidfiUJq8&index=9&list=LL7rXdy3dOinCLNpPjPkc8Kw

light refraction and the lack of eratosthenes writings or proof of his existence or expirements pretty much settled the issue for me.

that and the fact that heliocentricism isn't actually sun centered and wrong by definition anyway, but the only thing keeping the ptolemy geocentric model which worked for 1500 years out of use today, is an ongoing campaign to force failed quantum theories into popular consensus through compulsory eduction and media.

At no point has heliocentricism ever required a big bang or great attractor until the theory of gravity needed more explanations.

im honestly over it, if you wanna believe in space travel and ayyylmais then go for it, I know youre not going anywhere.

>>19331337

Well my GPS and sat phone works anywhere... Including the middle of the pacific ocean.

So I'm not going to complain about NASA lying to me.

>>19331360

>GPS and sat phone works

they work because of mile high towers and underwater cables

tracking gps planes online watch plnes dissapear in southern hemisphere

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHimQOPeYJc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g-SsXIJp80

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>>19331399

http://saildrone.com/

Seems to work well enough.

I don't care if they have to build towers and underground cables just to fool everyone.

As long as it works. Who fucking cares.

Name me one flat earther scientist who has made technology to improve my life.

NASA can keep lying as long as my quality of life improves.

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>>19331486
>Name me one flat earther scientist who has made technology to improve my life

Tesla and every human being that uses astronomy used ptolemies amalgest for 1500 years


>As long as it works. Who fucking cares.

honest people, who wan't to know WHY they would lie.

>NASA can keep lying as long as my quality of life improves.

youre a materialist and not an honest person, so of course living in a world built on lies is okay with you as long as you get shiny new chinese made crap like a good little sheep

>>19331521
Tesla wasn't a flat earther.

Read: "The Problem of Increasing Human Energy with Special References to the Harnessing of the Sun's Energy" in Century Illustrated Magazine (June 1900). He mentions the Earth being a globe 12 times.
http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1900-06-00.htm

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>>19331521

>using technology created by materialism and NASA lies to complain about materialism and NASA lies

Wew lad!

Wew lad!

>>19331486
>All I care about is not truth but ephimeral pleasure
(No, I don't believe in flat earth)

Yes, obviously it's not flat. Its hollow.

>>19331540
He very much was, infact Einstein's entire theory of relativity was a convenient way to explain away the sagnac, michelson morley, and airys failure expirememnt, along with the inconsistency of fhe foucalt pendulum, the murder of tycho brahe by keplar, the publishing of copernicuses heliocentric theory, after his death. And finally the fact thtat None of Eratosthenes expirements survive or any of his writings, and the entire bsis of the heliocentric model is the fact hipparchus failed to triangulate stars and failed , so he assumed stars were immeasurably far.

Auguste Picard went higher than anyone and noticed the earth was flat and when you get high enough the edges appear UPTURNED

Flat earthlings please explain what have you achieved by this knowledge?

>>19331552
NASA didnt create the internet, the us department of defense did.

yet im not the admitted materialist and morally devoid of character like yourself

>>19331577

it undoes BIG G, which is gravity, by replacing it with electromagnetism, which we understand but newton didn't.

freedom from scientism as an ideology, and the ability to test theories again without having to rely on NASA or government authorities

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2UGv20RIkQ

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>>19331570
At least read what the whole story, what they were doing there? Definitely not on an autistic trip to prove flat Earth.

So, if the earth is flat, what provides gravity?

And don't say a constant acceleration upwards of 9.81ms^2, because if that were true we'd have long surpassed the speed of light and would be living in a relativistic hellhole of fucked up time right now

OP here. In response to flat earthers saying that I (globe earther) must provide evidence not from nasa, etc.

You all are missing the point. That is the evidence. All of the questions in the main post of this thread were so that YOU could answer with how your crazy flat earth theory reconciles them.

I believe all of the stuff from NASA and others because I'm an Aerospace Engineer. I have yet to see a flat earther answer all of the questions I posed, except for one that said that Eratosthenes didn't actually exist, which isn't even a counterargument, because that experiment was replicated in modern times and found the same answer.

Please answer my original questions. Thank you.

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>>19331619
>"SEEMS LIKE A FLAT DISK"

>definitely not

>>19331698
If you ignore wind resistance in a calculation you prove air doesn't exist. Flawless logic.

>>19331669
>I believe all of the stuff from NASA and others because I'm an Aerospace Engineer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzyPN8-AbJQ&t=1118s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1RDGjMlYRo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msY3xc8pVLE&t=582s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zslVqOlgBA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRYA6Rw0BRE

>>19331710
wind resistance won't ever be ignored as it's key to flight.

the earths rotation however or it's being a sphere...not so much

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>>19331734
Earth's rotation won't matter beyond the Coriolis effect. The Earth's shape as a sphere does matter and the 2d map needs to be adjusted for distortions.

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>>19331593
This is the main thing people fail to get across and why so many people are scared to accept it. The the Earth is flat what else that we think we know for sure is 100% is a lie? The foundations of a lot of space science comes from the notion that the Earth is a globe and this all subquent equations derived from it assume that the earth is a globe and the sun is millions of miles away.
This is a grand conspiracy to disprove the bible. Many will calle a Christ cuck, I don't care I only seek and tell the truth. The only truths in this world is numbers and math, which is very meta physical and associated with God and his word.
Before anyone sees this image and thinks because it's a factor of pi makes it less significant, you are did not take many linear algebra courses.

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>>19331725
Thanks for the video drop, I've started to watch them now but it's quite a lot, I'll keep watching. Glanced through a couple of them and it seems like it's the same kind of thing though.

I've got a question for you. Why do you trust that the documentaries promoting flat earth didn't doctor the Apollo footage themselves? They're selling them and trying to make money - that's why the answers I want are in repeatable experiments or in physics.

If you could hit me with some physics/experiments that would be great. If we're not trusting NASA footage, which I'll go along with for sake of argument, then I'm not trusting any flat earther footage either.

-OP

>>19331698
Explain the calculations. The constants and the variables here. Heck, give a name for this equation. That's not even from Picard's hot air balloon trip.

Just shit posting any scientists name and equation not knowing what they are or what they did in the first place.

>>19331784
This. Literally screen grabbing some fake shit from "OMG FLAT EARTH NASA FAKE LIES" documentary, and trusting the documentary wasn't faking the Apollo images in the first place then going in and "disproving" them.

Math and physics are the true qualifiers for a hypothesis.

>>19330642
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YocY4DpaxA

>>19331768
>those two land masses to the left of North and South America in your image

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>>19330642

All Earth "Theories" depend on Perspective. Just take a look at the UN Flag.

[Did threads on this: http://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/subject/knowledge%20bomb/username/anonymous5/tripcode/%21%219O2tecpDHQ6/]

FE can be proven/disproved with a Vertical Flight(Pole to Pole) around the Earth.

>>19331799
What?

>>19331669
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c0BpjPUT5FE

We are having a laugh here. So much for showing us the Loo

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>>19331803
Globe Earth is a necessity for navigators and cartographers when mapping out their travels. It's still impossible to map out the world without severe distortions somewhere. Flat Earth in particular has impossible distances in the Southern Hemisphere which they still can't explain for.

>>19331793
Good shit

>>19331768
>Why do you trust that the documentaries promoting flat earth didn't doctor the Apollo footage themselves? They're selling them and trying to make money

That's a fair question.


My bias toward giving the benefit of doubt to random researchers partly comes from evidence of other conspiracies I researched involving Jesuits and Freemasonsry in the past.. anyone who watches the matrix, national treasure, and divinci code will know the basics of these institution's covert operations

Research into these topics typically lead you safely into the hands of gatekeepers who will tell you about reptilian aliens and chemtraiils, and will admit 9/11 was an inside job, and most people stop there content in the belief of Aliens controlling the world or some rich elite bankers.

But I didn't think much of the conspiracies until Pizzagate and I saw that politicians and media celebrities regularly and openly associate with Satanists who are into Crowleyism, Scientology and Kabbalah.

It's almost as if after 9/11 there was an attempt to actively rewrite american cultural consideration away from Christian morality/authority through mass promotion of
secularism and a reliance on a world state and globabal financial system, which seeks to tax the world with carbon taxes and keep them in control with scientific control systems on independent research and grand awards
.
then the pieces were falling into place over several months while researching unrelated topics such as pyramids aligning with stars and other structures.

The long story is , during the reformation history was destroyed and Jesuits took over astronomy labs world wide.

during the Enlightenment , there was a revival or Hermetic teachings with the discovery of the Corpus Hermeticum which explored Ancient Egyptian/Babylonian mysticism.

.

>>19331831
Hey, that's what I do for a living!

Don't really get your comment, but thanks for sharing. Love watching launches/satellite deployments

>>19331846
Yeah I mean conspiracies happen and some of them aren't even crazy ideas, it's just that flat earth goes against hundreds of years of physics and discovery of planetary motion and properties and it really grinds my gears when people try to claim that math and physics are incorrect when they represent the fundamental principles of our universe

>>19331831
And mind you flat earthers our CGI is shitty.

>>19331521
>honest people

You clearly don't belong to that group.

>>19331847
Poo, Loo, Pajeet. I've been to /pol/, and yes it is big problem really.

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>>19331745
There are no flights in the Southern Hemisphere
, and if you study the individual clues even while avoiding flat earth, you'll realize the many faults with heliocentricism anyway


IF you actually care to know what flat earther's believe I will say this guy sums it up the best

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SlRsbQ3nfM&t=6s

Eric Dubay,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5i_iDyUTCg&t=3876s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g-SsXIJp80

I promise you one flat earth point you will never get a straight answer for is how Eratosthenes knew of sunlight refraction in his expirement measuring light with two sticks to make his measurements accurate.

also none of his works have survived to the present, yet globe earthers will quote Carl Sagan's explanation for why the earth is a ball when the fallacies in these assumption s are never explored.

>>19331870
>There are no flights in the Southern Hemisphere

Wow not a single plane or ship ever goes to South America, half of Africa, and Australia!

>>19331856
The maths are incorrect philospohically.

You can't measure light years empirically, you can only extrapolate on theories.

Which is what they have done, they've loaded movies and television, and our compulsory education in the favor of believing in the spinning ball that isn't even heliocentric, yet on the edge of the universe, and unimportant.

As for independent researchers wanting money, they don't receive billions in tax money every year to show you cgi bullshit and fake the moon and mars missions.

Tehy arised from concerns regard completely unrelated subjects and only by doing their own research did they reach similar conclusions with the materials that were available.

>>19331895
>The maths are incorrect philosophically

Oh you have your Bachelor's degree too?

See when I got mine I came to a different conclusion

>>19331880
planes that are tracke realtime dissapear in the southern hemisphere and only appear once they arrive to close their destination.

this is a design of the department of defense who established gps in 1995 to aid pilots,

this ignores the fact that there are several records of emergency landings with strange destinations such as a flight from New Zealand to California stopping in Alaska

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>>19331846
Fucking Jesuits eh, Jesuit priest came up with the theory of the Big Bang.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lemaître
Also Albert Enstien was mentored by a Jesuit Priest
> http://reformation.org/einstein-unmasked.html
Jesuits are scary shit, look up thier history
>http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jesuits.htm
Also thing to note, John nash was rumored to present proof to discredit the theory of General relativity 3 days after he died in a crash crash where he happened not be wearing a seat belt while the driver survived hmm.

>>19331910
Looks fine to me.

https://flightaware.com/live/

http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:144.7/centery:22.9/zoom:2

>>19331904
Yes, even though college is a joke..

The baseline presumptions are where the math goes wrong.

You can say something "theoretically" exists forever and teach it as fact. However the expirements that disprove the theories can be rendered void if the predominate consensus gives favor to a established theory passed as fact.

This is philosophy, and past a certain oint expirement goes out the window.

>>19331925
You should write a paper about this.

My biggest problem with all these hypotheses is that that's all they ever are, and internet people think that's good enough.

The whole point is to peer review the work. If you come up with something that changes the face of mathematics, I swear on mine and my mother's life that it will eventually become the new standard.

But no, staying as hypothetical philosophy is enough to mean that you're correct.

>b-b-but all peer reviewed research is a sellout and they won't change because they're controlled by the elite

No. Just no. And even if they were, most scientists are reasonable intelligent individuals and if they saw your paper and it wasn't such philosophical acrobatics, but it was actually of substance, they would stand up with it too.

But that's all this whole thread's ideas will ever be. Hypotheticals that live behind a mask of conspiracy to get off to the idea that "We know the truth and everyone else is a sheep".

I have yet to see any mathematics or physics proposed in this thread that would support Flat Earth. Just philosophy and shitty YouTube documentaries.

Hypothesis officially debunked.

Peace out

>>19331918
But God's not real

>>19331910
Shit. If I only the Spanish knew better. Latin America would be the North.

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>>19331949
(YOU)

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>>19331944
>I have yet to see any mathematics or physics proposed in this thread that would support Flat Earth


>peer reviewed

wikipedia is peer reviewed also

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>>19332021
>>19331944

Nobody has yet to answer the questions OP asked, as expected from idiots that believe the Earth is flat because the US government controls the world.

>>19331846
>Everyone who has watched these 3 popular as fuck movies knows how this super secret shadow society works

>>19331870
What the fuck man? My friend from Argentina has gone to Australia and Chile makes a lot of trades with Africa.

If you mean nobody goes across the Southern hemisphere it is maybe because there is no reason to make a plane fly over a big as fuck land of ice with nowhere to land in case of an emergency.

>>19331337
>>19331521
>>19332021
Explain one of your pictures, you keep posting them as if they were the best prove in the world but I don't see how they prove a shit.

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>>19332146
>Explain one of your pictures, you keep posting them as if they were the best prove in the world but I don't see how they prove a shit.


>Earth is a ball proven by Eratosthenes expirement
>expirement or writing by eratosthenes dont exist in present day and begin with faulty presumption that sunlight is direct and not refracted through atmosphere
>this freaction effects shadow distance and renders eratosthenes calculation incorrect

the initial prooof earth is a ball that was supposedly proven centturies ago is a farce.

>>19332184
So this is what they mean by "weaponised autism". I'm done here.

>>19332224
that's correct.

we see things you've yet to imagine.

>>19332323
Says the keyboard knight who got his education from shitty documentaries and tinfoil hats on YouTube kekekekekek

>>19332337
so you just revert back to ad hominems when faced with science and philosophy.

>>19331064
>>19331337
You didn't pass physics did you?

I'm staring to think that earth is flat. Is it ok?

>>19332360
No I revert to ad hominems when the other person in the discussion refuses to even consider changing viewpoints.

It especially doesn't make any sense when you're going against the majority yet telling us to provide evidence.

It really shows how you don't understand the scientific method. YOU are coming up with the new hypothesis so it's YOUR responsibility to provide support. We've done our part! Literally all of education and the scientific community is on our side. There's our evidence.

Still waiting for your presentation of EVIDENCE. Not "photoshopped" moon landings, or info graphics about light bending, give me some goddamn hard fucking numbers and equations.

>>19331835

/Facepalm

>>19332386
You have autism. I'm sorry but the only solution is to get an education or kys

>>19331846

Those are.movies. you admit you live in fantasy.

>>19332396 I dunno broh. Flat earthers itt won so..maybe you need some education classes from them?

>>19331895

>>19331944

No. For my education I had to run and construct all the experiments myself. Physics is science.

This is sad. You are so far removed from a real education that our technology seems like a fantasy.


Epic.

>>19332410

Did the flat Earth people produce any technology? Or just uncertainty?

Why is this a "supernatural" discussion. Flat Earth doesn't belong on this board.

>>19332415
You against or with >>19331944? I can't tell

>>19332388

Well, since you have discounted all evidence you need to tell us exactly what kind of evidence in advance you will actually accept

>>19332423 Shill, please.

>>19332424

Anybody claiming that any scientists should waste resources on this garbage larping is who I'm against.

>>19332428
The shows are the one that are trying to take discussion off of the other things on these boards for stupid s*** like this you are the show

>>19332434
All I'm suggesting is that these pos try writing a real scientific paper / experiment so they can get their asses handed to them

>>19332443

Why? They are capable of understanding that their ass was handed to them as those blacks claiming the Vikings were Africans

>>19332427
Repeatable experimental peer reviewed evidence. If the earth is flat send a rocket up and show us a part of the earth beyond the ice wall

>>19332450

Why? They will just claim it was Doctored and ignore the evidence. you can't present them any evidence because they just dis count any actual evidence that you give them. what does it matter if you include them in the process nothing changes they're still just fucking donkeys


They are a distraction and that is why they are the real shills. Even if they honestly believe it, they are just being manipulated by those that want to take attention off of other things

>>19332446
Idk man it gives them something to work towards - maybe someday they'll understand real science

>>19332462

You can't put in what God left out. Deep down they know this.

>>19332461
Can't say I disagree! Youz right

If it were truly flat, that means all technologically advanced countries in the entire world are all lying to us. Huge conspiracy that is completely unsustainable.

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>>19332475 ORLY?

>>19332398
because movies aren't a reflection of themes and motifs from real life, implying real events arent discussed in movies.

implying movies and films aren't telling a story.

you guys are insulting the medium.

>>19332488
Because some organizations chose a north pole centered map, so as not to show favour toward any one country, you think this somehow proves they advocate a flat earth? The thought process of the retarded is something to behold.

>>19332443
"real" scientific paper

you mean those that are approved by the authorities?

define for me what is real if you can without resorting to philossophy, becayse this is what this argument is PHILOSOPHY.

where do theories and empirical evidence meet.

when is something proven

when is something a fact.


How do we know who to trust.

>>19332488
I love this shit. It completely ignores the fact that the UN logo divides the earth into 33 sections. Why does no one ask about the masonic implications? If only they spent more time on that instead of this flat earth nonsense.

>>19332550
Nothing is approved by the authorities... People refute your claims with other science, if they can't refute it then congrats, you're on your way to a theory!

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>>19330884
>how does GPS work?
>Over a million pictures from ISS
>Rotation of moon
>provide process how to reach this conclusion
Ya'll were supposed to be WOKE.

>>19332450
people have sent balloons, the fact is you wouldnt accept it because you were taught the ball and to believe and to worship the ball since you were a child forced into compulsory education into a system designed to make you an obedient tax payer, and a none threat to the establishment, you didnt question the info or else So you you fail the test.

>>19332565
>Go to private school
>Still taught that the earth is round

>>19332555 Well all flat earthers know about that. It discussed many times.

>>19332565
>people send balloons
>still revert to only showing shitty infographics and bad pseudo-science

Pretty sure new pictures of parts of the earth never seen before would be pretty good evidence

>>19332555
ball earthers don't know shit about masons or jesuits.

they're mostly athiests and believe in the big bang not knowing a catholic priest came up with it.

they havent looked into anything except what they were taught was correct to believe .

more would rather believe in aliens and quantum space quazars and black holes, rather than the obvious sky revolving around the still Earth.

Jesus fuck I need to delete this cancerous bait thread. Can the mods do it for me

>>19332578
>implying private schooling isn't still compulsory and it's curriculum regulated by the government and state standards.

>>19332593
why?

do you need to censor the information, rather than le people review it and research for themselves?

Flat earthers aren't real. They just trolling you all for laughs.

Maybe 1% truly believe, but they have mental issues.

>>19331337
Well I can help you with your pic there and how it's wrong. You know how the atmosphere has a thing called "humidity"? And you know how the atmosphere is not just pure gas, but also has particulates and such floating around, especially in the mid to upper atmosphere? Well, particularly that humidity is good at diffusing light, since light tends to refract when it goes through something that is a different density than air.
It may not be a perfect answer, but I thought it fit the level of discourse going on here

>>19332601
No because half the flat earthers replying are just baiting

>>19332606
wrong.

all RE's have mental issues. your refusal to see what's in front of you is astounding.

it's dodge ball time, bitch

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GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT
IT'S JUST DAMAGE CONTROL
GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT

>>19332618
fuck off shill

>>19332615
Dodge balls are flat

>>19331570
>tfw you don't address the evidence placed in front of you

>>19332628
Ive been here replying to everything.

Noone has yet to address the eratosthenes fallacy in 4 threads of this same shit.

at this point I feel like a cognitive dissonance dispenser.

>>19332626
all stormy's report to the gymnasium

>>19332641
Even if we assume that the Eratosthenes experiment didn't work for whatever reason, you can use heywhatsthat.com to see that taller objects can be seen over the horizon that you wouldn't have a problem with on flat earth

>>19332615
Someone off their meds i see

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>>19332622
Shill: Let's call non-shills shills to cause confusion

Don't be mad I saw through your shill team's thread immediately

>>19331593
But what ideas have you contributed that if applied to a large number of people, would better their lives in a substantial and obvious way like modern medicine, GPS, and satellites?

Besides which, have you even TRIED to answer OPs questions? I'm actually curious what you and other flat earthers think the answers for those are.

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>>19332622
also... why would I be shilling for flat earth? The shape of our planet doesn't mean shit to me, find our one and only Most High God through Christianity and you'll realize it doesn't fucking matter either. Good luck getting to space if not

>>19332649
wait wait if this shills shill the shills whose making off with the goyims shitlery err cutletry

>>19332652
^^^^thank you

Honestly at this point let's not respond until they answer my qs

>>19332655
>>this

>>19332655
I agree but God's not real kek

>>19332648
Well, I for one am on my meds and everything makes sense to me..

>>19332666
ok, lucifer

>>19331799
...Those aren't landmasses, those are stylized name tag kinda things... Basically, just labels, not actually part of the map.

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>>19332610
I know what I'm talking about.

the fact is Eratosthenes didn't, therefre his calculations were wrong, never mind that, his works didnt even survive to the present and hes often quoted as proven earth is a ball revolving around the sun when that was an enlghtenment idea . Taught philosophically as a theoretical opposition to the Ptolemaiv\c standard.

not to mention copernicus's estimate was 3 million miles away sun, while newtons was 93 million, you see a continuous retroactive fitting of theories to make sense of a nonsensical model that has to first fit with what we observed in the past an present, which is where the Jesuits come in.

for fuck sakes research Jesuits and Freemasons, if you haven't done that youre hopelessly in nthe dark and not seeing how it all is easily tied together as a continuation of an Elite power structure dating back to ancient Babylon.

>>19331910
https://flightaware.com/live/
>pls actually prove yourself before spouting off thanks

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>>19332555
dude fuck you, thats most of what flat earthers talk about

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The earth is T H I C C

>>19332743
Photographs of Pythagoras are pretty rare I'm surprised you found one.

>>19332550
...What authorities? The only authorities in the scientific community is your peers and liberal biased college nerds. Literally, all you do is write a paper with math and a repeatable experiment, and if majority of your peers get back to you with similar results, well good job hundreds of years of proven fact just disproven. Your name will be revered for centuries to come.
If in fact your ideology is wrong, and your paper ends up being being debunked, then you will go down AT MOST as a footnote in the books of science and history.

>>19332565
Did those people in the balloons happen to send back pictures, or (did it cross your mind that) you might have been spoon fed lies by your shitty YT vids and infographics?

>>19332684
>eratothenes didn't take into account atmospheric refraction

Eratothenes didn't have to. He made his measurements at noon when refraction is significantly less than one degree.

>Copernicus's estimate was 3 million miles

Copernicus used a method that was highly sensitive to experimental error.

Huygens measured it at 93 million miles a couple hundred years later, using better methods. It's been accepted as that far away with only minor variations ever since.

The Jesuits and Freemasons have nothing to do with anything except act as red herrings. They didn't exist when the Ancient Greeks proved the earth was a sphere.

>>19332762
fresco by raphael

>>19332595
>private schooling
>compulsory
>has not heard of homeschooling
Mhm.......
Curriculum is regulated by both only to the extent that we can pass a yearly test to say whether we know how to spell, read, and do math. I was in private school learning about church history, advanced mathematics, and let me tell you that private school is NOT compulsory. Only thing compulsory is being in a school/homeschooling arrangement. And government standards are so laughably low, that you could teach your kid flat earth and as long as they could read, write and math correctly, you're good. Don't know what world government you think controls our lives, but it's pretty incompetent if you can homeschool your kids to think the earth is flat and the jesuits control the world if that's NOT what they want your kids to think.

>>19330642
flat earth is about how you can cast doubt on anything as long as you haven't seen it yourself, simply by implying that all outside sources are untrustworthy

the only proof a flat earther will accept is a FREE TRIP TO SPACE

>>19332565
Flat Earthers have indeed sent up balloons, and their cameras come back showing there is curvature.

Several times famous FE youtubers have raised money to build balloons, and every time the footage suddenly goes "missing" at high altitudes. Or, in the case of some, they just deny what their own pictures show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz70KyLqJl4

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>>19332794
people who care about accolades and having their name written on things are most willing to lie and most susceptible to black mail.

the fact is people have written books on the subject for CENTURIES and they've been suppressed.

>your ideology is wrong

philosophy

>>19332858
Please see>>19332847

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>>19332878

>>19332812
>Eratothenes didn't have to. He made his measurements at noon when refraction is significantly less than one degree.
How do you it? Where are your proofs? You don't have any you just believe in it. We can't even confirm for sure that he existed.

>>19332858
Also, can I read some of these books? Do you have any archives of them? I would like to read them, and see if what they have in them makes sound, and logical sense.

>>19332562
nigger

>>19332886
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_refraction#Calculating_refraction

>we can't even confirm for sure that he existed

It doesn't matter if he really existed, because his experiment and results existed, and they are reproducible, pretty accurate, and confirmable using other methods.

>>19332891
>books

They're mostly self-published pamphlets. Made by crazy people and frauds. They kind of read like 100 year old timecube websites.

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>>19330642
>flat earth is not real
>many movies with flat earth map hidden in plain sigh

NOTHING TO SEE HERE GOY GO BACK TO SLEEP

>>19332886
Ok, even if he didn't exist, this experiment is easily repeatable; even more so now that we have almost universal wifi coverage. So, take a stick, livestream the stick at a nice open and flat place. Take a second stick, get a group and go closer or farther to the north pole by a significant distance. make sure that first stream is still going. Take your second stick and put it into a similarly flat and open area for best measurement. At same time, and as close to noon as possible, measure the resulting shadows.
Now when I say closer or farther to north pole, I mean it. If you put a stick in up by Canadian border (if in US), then put the second stick in down by southern border by Mexico.
Or even better, recreate the "mythological" experiment by getting a team together, flying half to Athens, Greece; and the other half to Alexandria, Egypt. Recreate it, and see what happens when livestreaming. bring the MOST accurate measuring tools you have.

Literally, this is the easiest experiment to disprove if fake.

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>>19332941
LIKE I SAID GO BACK TO SLEEP EVERYONE

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>>19332949
SHUT IT DOWN

>>19331565
Now we need to say its a donut ffs

>>19332941
>there's a big elaborate conspiracy to make people think the world is round
>but they keep showing the flat earth proof in movies

This doesn't make sense, but on meth it does.

>>19332957
/thread

>>19332957
You realize that's a clock used to tell what time it is in any part of the earth, right?

Which was the whole point of Gleason's projection in the first place?

>>19332968
it's for those who got eye to see and ears to hear...

1984 extract :

‘But the whole universe is outside us. Look at the stars! Some of them are a million light-years away. They are out of our reach for ever.’
‘What are the stars?’ said O’Brien indifferently. ‘They are bits of fire a few kilometres away. We could reach them if we wanted to. Or we could blot them out. The earth is the centre of the universe. The sun and the stars go round it.’
Winston made another convulsive movement. This time he did not say anything. O’Brien continued as though answering a spoken objection:
‘For certain purposes, of course, that is not true. When we navigate the ocean, or when we predict an eclipse, we often find it convenient to assume that the earth goes round the sun and that the stars are millions upon millions of kilometres away. But what of it? Do you suppose it is beyond us to produce a dual system of astronomy? The stars can be near or distant, according as we need them. Do you suppose our mathematicians are unequal to that? Have you forgotten doublethink?’
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>>19332743
>>19332743

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>>19333028
lets get some fact here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg0r__RrZhA

>>19330642
Serious questions if the earth is truly flat what is at the ends of it? So there really isnt a core? How thick is this "flat earth"? And last but not least what is on the underside of this "flat earth" and why havent we seen it yet?

>>19333028
Have you actually read 1984, anon?

Do you know that O'Brien is the bad guy?

Dear God can't you tards see how forced this flat earth shit is? The people pushing it say stuff that is too retarded, but it's because they don't really believe in it, they are shills just trying to start conflict to cover up the truth, HOLLOW earth. Since hollow earth picked up in popularity (with actual evidence to back it), flat earth shills have been shoving it down everywhere they can (the reason you see flat earth in mainstream media and not hollow earth, they don't want it to get seen). The government ( the NWO, not cia or whatever bullshit) has done other distractions to cover truths before, there was a document that called it the "conspiracy conspiracy". The most popular was the moon landing, they pushed the "lel moon landing FAKE" to cover the truth, which was extraterrestrial life already being on the moon. Don't let (((them))) trick you

>>19333082
I did, good book by the way.
you know george orwell real name is Eric Arthur Blair associate with the fabian society, a society like freemasonry with layer of initiation.

>>19333139
... So? In what way does that have to do with fact that your quote is detrimental to your argument in more ways than one?

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>>19333119
why gout of your way and get butmad and try to ad hominem nump the thread?

>>19333063
dome.

world outside., the body and birth is a prison, the only and best way to sentence an immortal being.

>speaking of prisons
I'm in a fucking prison of lies if ya'll FE's don't start answering OP's questions. Sit down, and straight forward bullet point your explanations like reasonable and scientific folk like you all seem to claim to be. OP is asking simple questions with (what should be) simple answers. Please for the love all that is holy will someone just please answer OP's questions in a straight forward manner. Thank you.

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>>19333164
no, freemason are behind the fabian society

>>19333166
>world outside., the body and birth is a prison, the only and best way to sentence an immortal being.
he gets it, pic related
the only modern religion close from ''truth'' is buddhist

It's funny to add that pythogaras was initiated in the mystery school of thebes (manly p hall)

>>19333269
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_RwcGzGurc
this guy explain how your body is just a avatar for your consciouness.

I don't know. I'm here in my phone on my couch watching "What on earth" on Science Channel. And it made me think about flat earth.

I mean if it's all a lie the. They sure are putting a lot of resources either making up cgi or taking a bunch of aerial photographs. I mean the plots of these stories is some random schlub looking at public satellite images and goes WtF is this and then drives out to see the thing they saw in the picture is actually there. Even did this with a Saudi Arabian dron base on the border with Yemen.

I mean shit. Where are all the aircraft taking these pictures. How do you get those pics in North Korea where they'd shoot you down with SAMs.

I mean if it is a conspiracy is a massive undertaking taking a massive amount of aircraft to upkeep these accurate images.

I mean it would be cheaper to come out and say well the earth is flat.

Or if they wanted to keep the lie up they could blame it on too much space trash or radiation destroying all the satellites.

We and the subjects of our debates will all cease to exist without fail. It does not matter if we understand the "truth".

After spending a lot of time on this thread I can conclude that half of you flat earthers are either school dropouts, college dropouts, different to authorities always. Childhood must have been hard on you all. I'm starting to feel sorry for you and the generation you are about to spawn.

>>19330642
>all other planets, starts, asterorid etc is roundish
>"earth MUST BE FLAT"

>>19333389
That's basically why any of these retard conspiracy theories fall apart - the amount of manpower, money and effort spent (all without anyone snitching, because that's achievable right?) and somehow an idiot on the internet is the only one that knows TEH TRUTH

And somehow it's all necessary to a degree that even countries that want to destroy each other don't break this to people? Yeah, totally believable.

>>19331756
Japanese don't care for Christianity and they have the same distance as NASA.
Christianity is a western thing. Judism and Islam an Asian thing. There rest of the world doesn't care about Genesis.

If you think Genesis is the only world philosophy, no wonder you think flat earth is real. You then not only lack of critical thinking, you also lack knowledge of worldwide culture. I bet you don't get chemistry either. Chemistry pretty much proves earth is not flat.

>>19331846
So you spend a lot of time, but didn't really learned the essential.
Which is, religion is to keep low educated circle jerking while the educated improve life by studying actual nature and thus enjoy all kinds of 'sin' because it gives them pleasure.
You both gonna die, the difference is, they had more fun and you had to work hard to pay for them.
So who is the fool?

>>19331870
>There are no flights in the Southern Hemisphere
Tell that to people who fly from New Sealand to Australia on a regular basis.

>>19332555

> Don't waste time with cooky flat Earth
>(((Freemasons)))
> ((((Enlightened))))

>>19331870
Die

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>>19332488
Earth is actually a ring.

>>19330961
kek

>>19331337
People will visit Mars within 40 years, and you won't believe them?

You can literally buy a boat and sail around the Earth, tons of people have done it. Or fly around it.

>>19331337
I forgot to mention in this post >>19333980 that your picture is correct, which is why astronomers don't claim that the atmosphere bends light outward. It's a well established phenomenon that you see the sun a little earlier than you would expect to in a sunrise because the atmosphere acts like a convex lens.

I have no idea where you or anyone else got the idea that astronomers believed otherwise, but if that idea contributed to your theory of flat Earth then it should now lend equal evidence to the contrary.

>>19331570
>Get's told Tesla wasn't a flat-earthed
"He was! '(unrelated confusing sentences)'"

>>19333670
Slightly more scientifically plausible than it being flat.

Slightly.

Also those condoms have big holes in them.

>come back to my thread
>13 hours later
>no answers to most of my questions in the op

You FEs really knocked my socks off this time weeow

>>19334396
https://earthquake.usgs.gov/learn/glossary/?term=shadow%20zone

Holy shit this is cool, thanks for sharing this anon!

>>19334375

There are 2,271 satellites documented as having been launched. I've gone and seen these launches myself. It is incredibly expensive to launch these rockets so, where are they going? They're faking the terabytes of data that satellites send back to convince you the earth is flat?
>>they're going into the ocean.
>>yes terabytes of data for 12+ billion dollars >>annually is a easy way to get paid.
How does your GPS work?
>>Triangulation works on curve and flat surfaces...


Why do pendulums spin around in a circle if you let them swing long enough?
>>Pendulums would swing "round and round" >>on a flat plane as well. There are many >>problems with foucault - namely you can't >>make a pendulum "swing" long enough >>without added power. You think that ball >>socket the pendulum is attached to has zero >>effect on this observable.

Why does the moon rotate as you move between the hemispheres?
>>it rotates on a FE model as well...


Why can you actually measure that objects a mile away are 8 inches lower?
>> they don't. this has been verified via "lasers" >>over salt flats, canals, large lakes, etc.

Why do shadows in some places go perfectly straight down at some points in the year but at the same times in other points are angled?
>>>sun and moon "precess" on FE model with >>larger and smaller motions throughout the year. not a hard concept.

There are over 1,000,000 images taken by people from the International space station.
>>this is gross exaggeration. also consider the >>18.4+ billion dollar annual budget nasa has >>for ..."space" instead dedicated to ..."photoshop"

Have you studied the math behind planetary physics?
>>observable is sun and moon - expand logic for other planets.

The horizon for the average person is 3.1 miles away.
>>vanishing point - what is it

The problem with you is you think you're hot shit when in fact you have done zero research into the topic and assume your ass is your face......This topic is bound to repeat endlessly.

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>>19334406

>>19331399
That's not how GPS works though.
The satellites only broadcast their own location and precise time, all calculations are done within the receiving device, and the equations used would look a lot different if the Earth was flat.

If the Earth wasn't round, all those open source GPS devices that use equations for a round planet wouldn't work.

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So can someone show me an actual flat map?
Because places like SA and Australia are completely stretched there.
You'd think with the whole "movement" someone would have made a mock up that makes sense by now.

>>19331870
My family lives in Australia and they've definitely flown to Canada before.

flights from Japan to Hawaii are 7 hours, flights from LA to Hawaii are 8 hours... look up on any flight website, impossible with flat earth.

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>>19331337
you played yourself

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>pic is semi related. It literally makes me lolol. LMFAO people in this thread actually believe shit like this.
>>19331486
Why is NASA always the trigger word?
muh NASA lies...muh NASA is evil
NASA dis and NASA dat NASA shit and NASA shat
You realize how huge of a cover-up this would be right? Why would they lie about the earth being flat?
Here's a hint (whispers gently in your ear) nasa is not the only space agency)
WUTTTTT!?!?
Yes, that's right folks NASA is not the only space agency in the world.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_government_space_agencies
>As of 2017, 71 different government space agencies are in existence; 13 of those have launch capability. Six government space agencies - the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO), the European Space Agency (ESA), the China National Space Administration (CNSA), the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA), the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) and the Russian Federal Space Agency (RFSA or Roscosmos) have full launch capabilities; these include the ability to launch and recover multiple satellites, deploy cryogenic rocket engines and operate extraterrestrial probes. Only three currently operating government space agencies in the world - RFSA and the CNSA and NASA are capable of human spaceflight as of 2017.
NaSa doesn't even have the largest budget.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_NASA
>Annual budget US$ 19.5 billion (Fiscal Year 2017, about 0.489% of total budget at about US$ 4 trillion)
NASA's budget doesn't even come close to what others agencies/departments get. So, it's not about money.
https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2010/12/10/top-spending-federal-agencies
So, why would they fucking all lie?
Every fucking pilot in the world lied?
Every mariner lied?
Every person that deals with the trajectory of missiles or rockets lied? Don't forget long distance snipers that have to figure in the curvature of earth. Did they all lie too?
I'm not buying your bullshit.

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Love the flat earth it was the first thing that made sense. I do not understand this existance it would be so easy to fix everything.I blame myself for being controled.Never sleep again. water level will be proof for me.

>>19334908
>I'm not buying your bullshit.
but you buy the bullshit of NASA and "science" without doing the same level of fact-checking?

>>19333038
globeheads ignore this.

>>19333207
which question's. have not been answered.

Im seeing a circle here indicative of gognative dissonance.

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Flat Earthers are following the Demiurge as god and he traps them in his Matrix / Cube.

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>>19333517

>the amount of manpower, money and effort spent (all without anyone snitching, because that's achievable right?

but have been snitching and being silenced over 50 years
they said that about mkulltra

>>19334812
Canada is northern hemisphere
which means they flew across asia.

australia to south africa doesn't exist

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Boom.

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>>19335169

does anyone even know anyone, like a distant family member or friend who works for NASA?

>>19335205
wtf shrub in meeting???
Is that real???

>>19335233
My uncle used to work for NASA.

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>>19335255
icewall laand in center arrangement in a pyramid shape with unfinished capstone(illuminati)

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>>19335266
sure and you went to my high school.

>>19330971
because you're fucking retarded and don't understand the law of perspective. literally go to 5th grade art class faggot

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>>19335233
>>19335276
>now no one even works for NASA

>>19335090
>but you buy the bullshit of NASA and "science" without doing the same level of fact-checking?
Present any single (1) mathematically sound proof of a flat earth prediction, such as the angular difference in degrees for the sun at the solstices on the tropic of, say, capricorn for example.

We can do the math together, anon.

>>19335295
Law of perspective would state that on a flat plane everyone south of the equator should see Polaris (they don't), and the southern tips of Australia, Africa, and SA would all have DIFFERENT constellations when in direct observation, it's the same sky on an angular rotation.

>>19335269
not gonna try to weigh in on the whole FE vs RE thing.. but, what gets me with this pic, and, I guess the "stuff beyond the wall" thing. how come the landmasses we know form not so much a shape, but, look like they have a relation to each other. The stuff beyond the wall... just random garbage.

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>>19335269

Flat Earthers think there is a wall of ice at the edge.

Like we are in Game of Thrones...

>>19334406
Glad you dig it.

>>19330642
CGI

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>>19335305
noone you know faggot

>>19330642

The Earth is slightly curved. Sort of like an upside dinner plate.

>>19335474
Cool but think about it, do you actually know anyone who works for BP?
The truth is out there if you'd care to look.

>>19332565
You're right bro I love balls and I worship balls. BALL EARTHER FOR LIFE

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>>19335474
I knew it, fucking patriots

>>19331064
HE LITERALLY DID THOUGH YOU FUCKING VODOO LOVING NIGGER

I have no arguments but watch youtube, youtube is smart

>>19335582
>youre stupid for believing random people on youtube, here watch this youtube video debunking your youtube video.

>>19335686
indeed

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>>19332812
> He made his measurements at noon

then there wouldn't be and shadows... since the sun is directly above by 1 degree.

and this would have to be timed within seconds to measure correctly and they didn't even count in seconds yet back then,.

>Copernicus used a method that was highly sensitive to experimental error.

apparently that isn't worth considering today, and not also a problem with heliocentric model

>Huygens measured it at 93 million miles a couple hundred years later, using better methods.

see how it took hundreds of years to get the heliocentric story to make sense, and even still they don't know and can't prove shit for sure.but you claim it was proven by Greeks

>The Jesuits and Freemasons have nothing to do with anything except act as red herrings. They didn't exist when the Ancient Greeks proved the earth was a sphere.

you clearly don't know shit about anything and are talking out of your ass.

Freemasons trace their descent to Tubal Cain and Solomon's temple..they kept hermetic mystery schools that only initiates could enter. Aristotle, plato, and socrates were in these orders.


Jesuits and Catholic priests own most of the worlds Astronomic observatories and set our time systems which we live our lives by. That is TEMPORAL POWER of Egyptian knowledge such as alchemy and astronomy.

Ancient Greeks went to egypt to learn their ways.

mfw Globe earthers haven't even investigated the History of anything and worship modern scientism.

>>19335481
No , but noone is debating whether BP is spilling oil in the ocean, lying about how bad it is, and dodging taxes are they.

Im suggesting Nasa is just as bad as BP

>>19335322
Math isn't evidence

>>19335822
Just because you don't understand it does not mean it isn't evidence or true.

>>19330642
Ok... flat earth is a CIA psyop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmINKyN3MXI

>>19335781
How much oil is NASA spilling into the ocean?

>>19335772
>the sun is directly over head at noon

No it isn't, you mongoloid. The sun is at it's zenith at noon.

At noon shadows very based on your latitude, which is the entire basis of the experiment, something you obviously don't understand.

>Apparently that isn't worth considering today

The copernican/ptolemaic method of using parallax of the moon's shadow to measure the distance of the earth to the moon? Not when there are much better methods and the distance is already determined, no. Heliocentric vs. geocentric models don't have anything to do with it.

>You claim the heliocentric model was proved by the greeks.

No, the Greeks proved the round earth. Both the heliocentric model and the geocentric models use a round earth. They're models of the solar system, not the earth.

>Freemasons are from Solomon's Temple

Freemasons date to the 1700s. Aristotle, Plato, and Socrates were not Freemasons.

>Jesuits own most of the world's observatories.

Also a lie. They have nothing to do with the world's time systems, and the Egyptians were pretty shit at astronomy. Alchemy is an irrelevant pseudoscience

>Globe earthers haven't even investigated the "History"

Maybe the crazy made up "history" you're pulling out your ass.

>>19335834
can you provide even ONE mathematical proof that your mother isn't an oblate spheroid that orbits my dick?

>>19334554
Half your answers are "Yeah fe model does it too". Total bs

The moon is still visible during daytime, which isn't true for fe model.

They passed 1,000,000 photos exactly in may or March you moron.

If it's been verified via "" "" "lasers" "" "" (no idea why you put quotations) then where the fuck is the data? Where are the experiments? Where are the real scientists, not the crazy fucking tinfoil autists, presenting the data?

You are so high and mighty for "doing your own research". What a fucking hypocrite

I would love to see a flat earth video based on science (math mostly), that doesnt rely on god, the bible or other religion derivatives to explain things. As soon as someone mentions anything religious i instantly close the tab, unless im literally watching science fiction, and even then, i usually close the tab.

Fuck religion, im not interrested in explanations that are based on "well its just like that and its true because its true"

>>19336103

You claim the moon is not visible on a FE model, but there is no consensus on a particular model.

I don't know why you keep quoting this 1 mil photo thingy. I don't know the timeline and I don't know the scale.

I'll go ahead and assume it's 1 mil a month. Given NASA's approx 18,000 employees, to churn out a million pictures, each individual would have to "shop" 1.85 pictures a day. Given a lot of these are...redundant or similar or...even the same picture from different angles, well even this seems possible, however taxing.

A better assumption is you are referring to a total amount NASA has released. Given a longer time frame ...this is somehow impossible.

Lookup and read about the bedford level experiment or any other experiment related to this. I'm not going to spoon feed you anymore.

>>19335276
If you went to high school, you wouldn't believe in something as retarded as flat Earth.
>>19335305
>mfw NASA doesn't actually exist
>mfw my uncle never existed
>mfw I have no face

>>19336118
Watch eric dubay

>>19331667
Gravity doesn't exist. And the earth isn't moving at all, it's stationary. It's all about boyence

>>19336495
>If you're on an anonymous imageboard you can project whatever character traits you want onto anyone

>>19336118
several have been posted in the thread, and others

globe earthers ignore them ,or talk shit about the video being on youtube and usually revert back to ad hominem and projecting.

It's not a hypothesis. It's fact. Only an idiot would believe otherwise. It's ignorant-ass white science nerds who think different. Everyone shuns them. Coincidence? I think not.

>>19336052
>google: zenith
>the point in the sky or celestial sphere directly above an observer.

>which is the entire basis of the experiment, something you obviously don't understand.
you wouldn't know since the expirement didn't survive to modern day, and at most its in your imagination told to you by people just as unaware..


honestly im looking the way you can't connect the dots between Plato, aristotle, amd socrates and their relationship to egyptian mystery schools.

And you assume egyptians were bad at astronomy, and your gross lack of awareness in Jesuit astronomy

Just stay sleep dude.


>Alchemy is an irrelevant pseudoscience

foundations of chemistry and astronomy are irrelevant to you, as well as the foundation of modern history are completely lost to you.

>Freemasons date to the 1700s.

fuck off, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiram_Abiff

>>19336569
>It's all about boyence

All the Flat Earthers, all the Flat Earthers
All the Flat Earthers, all the Flat Earthers
Now shit on NASA!

Up on the tubez, scared of dem Jewz
Just doin my little own vid
You decide it's round, and try to confound
With doctored photography.

If it's science then why ya gotta lie to me?
If it's science then why ya gotta lie to me?
Don't be mad cuz I disprove it Biblically.

Oh oh oh
Oh oh oh oh oh oh

>>19336006
>Idk, but theyre spraying alot of chemicals into the air.

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>>19336695
globe earthers write songs and odes to Flat Earthers

>>19336695
Is this from some cringe video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHZM0RD7Orc

>>19336655
>implying white people were the first to call it spherical

Flat earthers need to explain the phases of the moon with regards to their daft sun-and-moon-rotate-like-a-clock-in-the-same-plane-model.

>>19336487
"However in 1870, after adjusting Rowbotham's method to avoid the effects of atmospheric refraction, Alfred Russell Wallace found a curvature consistent with a spherical Earth."

Dumbass flat earther doesn't know the final outcome of their prized experiment

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Earth is flat faggots, deal with it

>>19337050
looks slightly concave to me

>>19337068
So is it flat or concave?

>>19337068
it's definitely not a sphere

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What the fuck am I reading?
Why would you decide to refute mathematics as evidence? Are you fucking insane? Most of our modern world, if not all, has its literal foundations on using math to create nearly everything we see around us.
But that must not be good enough for you, huh?
R-E anons: if flat earthers refuse to accept math as a system to prove flat earth, fine. We can handle that. But that means flat earthers must now not only provide a complete scientific field to use to prove flat earth, they must also provide new versions of all other scientific fields to validate their new form of math. Which must also match and verify all scientific phenomena today - otherwise it's just making up a system for a made up theory.
Once your entire new scientific grand theory and system fits with all current universal phenomena we know of, with no error, we will consider using your form of math to then apply to round earth to see if it's fake.
Unless you refuse to use the modern scientific method to prove anything, at which point you are essentially stating your beliefs are literal beliefs and not facts.

>>19337110
this is a nice thought but it assumes our "modern" maths don't work with FE. Who is saying this?

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>>19337110
fuck off kike

>>19331698 Sause?

>>19335822
see
>>19337125

>>19330642
Burden of proof's on flat earthers, sorry.

>>19337445
That's what the OP said, wtf?

>>19336515
Eric Dubay doesn't do math. He doesn't do anything except read old books, mostly Rowbotham, who was a biblical literalist.

>>19336667
>you wouldn't know since the experiment didn't survive to modern day

The experiment did survive until modern day. That's how we still know about Eratosthenes.

>Plato, Aristotle, and Socrates are connected to Egyptian mystery schools

They were aware of Egyptians and their schools. All unrelated to freemasons.

>You assume the Egyptians were bad at astronomy

No, we know how good the Egyptians were at astronomy, because they left written records, and it turns out they weren't very good.

>gross lack of awareness in Jesuit astronomy

The Jesuits have observatories. To claim they have the majority of observatories is a lie, and to claim they somehow control astronomy is just plain stupid.

>The foundations of chemistry

Is completely unrelated to alchemy. Alchemy held chemistry back for hundreds of years, and chemistry only flourished once they rejected everything the alchemists taught. Just like astronomy and astrology.

>Hiram Abiff

Your own link says he's a fictional character.

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>>19330642
Flat Earth is certainly the fruitiest theory I've heard yet.

>>19335822
It really is dumbshit. It really is.

>>19332684
These rays are actually parallel, they only look like they converge from the photograph's position.

>>19337868
Noo you don't he was a rennasissance fabrication along with Cleomedes who is the only reference of Eratosthenes, and his works don't exist.

You have to look deeper into the supposed "historical record" you'll notice much of the material we have of ancient greek texts come from Latin translations and reformation edification.

You have to look into the documents themselves and you'll find alot of Jesuit where the proof of many ancient should be, such as the chinese record s that were adjusted by Jesuits.

The enlightenmennt and Reformation period was a serious time of burning book and codifying much of the "time immemorial"//Roman Laws had established pre "dark ages"

Does noone here ever look in the historical records or firsthand documents that actually prove what people are telling you is true, or do you read it in a textbook,media, someewhere or a professor and take it as pure fact??

>>19338179
except the math would show a curve, per square inch on the avocado at a certain point.

so far only fisheyes and nasa cgi show that on the earth.

>>19337832
Uh yes he does, he literally has a 200 proof video, that other videos have debunked only 15 of them.

while new ones are constantly found.

the only thing keeping people out of flat earth is fear of haaving to believe in God or intelligent design if it turns out the crazy Christians were right all along.

frankly im terrified of that also.

>>19337135
globeheads ignore this.

> hurr durr "flat earthers never post proof or math."

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>>19332884
>Not understanding how big the earth is.

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>>19334908
I'm not a flatearther but I do find it strange that every space agency has a vector in their logo.

>>19330642

The flat earth is wrong because Pizzagate is right. Suck on that shill.

seriously, these threads are just planned distraction.

>>19338431
>he literally has a 200 proof video

No, he has a zero proof video, and claims he's got 200 proofs, falsely.

And he only has about 15 arguments that he keeps repeating in different ways 200 times.

Every claim has been completely debunked.

>>19338409
>appeals to history
>instantly claims that history doesn't exist.

I love the hypocrisy you display.

>>19336720
so, 4 dead cultures, 1 almost dead culture, and 2 old religious ideas; one of which has probably changed its views vs an organization... seem legit.
What about the Aussie Abo world view, or one of the 9000 African cultures, or even a few of the other 50 some odd first nation tribes?

>>19339374
so why hasnt my very first post showing the eratosthenes fallacy ignored in videos and threads

>>19338807
when you try to measure the bll earth people keep sending graphics and cgi , and its still not there

>>19339374
>Every claim has been completely debunked.

show me a real picture of the entire earth from space

If you suspend a pendulum upon a gyroscope and release it in a controlled manner such that there is no sideways movement of the pendulum it will nevertheless turn as the day progresses due to the rotation of the earth.

This very simple experiment that is constantly taking place in museums around the world proves both that the earth is a sphere and that it rotates.

Please stop making these threads.

>>19333980 No1 will believe them. NASA are liars. It's pretty clear even for ball-heads. You don't need to be an adept of flat earth to realize it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzyPN8-AbJQ

>>19340107
what if nasa lies to appear competent as a space agency and flat earth is just pushed to cover any wire-fu

>>19340066
if pendulums move because of the earth rotating then why don't planes have to account for it? shouldnt helicopters then be unable to hover without drifting into the next time zone?

also, wouldn't the pendulum need to be in a vacuum to avoid interference from air movement? can you link me a vacuum pendulum experiment

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>>19338414
>You could use math to find the curvature of an avocado!
>Ignores that same math when it's used to show Earth's curvature
Are you legitimately retarded?

>>19338431
>the only thing keeping people out of flat earth is fear of haaving to believe in God or intelligent design
No, that's completely incorrect. It's the fact that the Flat Earth model breaks pretty much every law of physics and there's no evidence to support it (no, some moron on youtube failing at math does not constitute proof.)
Why the hell would we casually toss out all our tried and tested understandings of how the world works in favor of some baseless bullshit claim by uneducated fuckwits?

>>19338441
The few times they do post "evidence," anyone with a basic understanding of physics can pretty easily see where they fucked up the math.
>Inb4 THE JEWMINATI MADE MATH SO IT WOULD SUPPORT THE GLOBE EARTH MODEL!

>>19332812
the results from the greeks were *tampered with* by the jesuits and freemasons. unless you were in ancient greece you don't know shit about what they could and couldn't (and indeed, did and didn't) prove.
You see the world through a lens that has been forced upon you

>>19338431
A 200 proof video with 0 actual proofs, you mean. He just rephrases the same few bad arguments throughout the entire video.

>>19332461
>>Why? They will just claim it was Doctored and ignore the evidence.

Literally every flat earther presented with evidence that goes against their "Theory"

>>19340039
functional spacecraft don't exist so no such pictures exist. The highest an aircraft has ever made is is ~20k feet.
They claim that the cruising altitude is 39k but this is a lie maintained by instruments deliberately returning fudged results.
The idea is that people will freak out if they think they're stuck on this planet (for now and the foreseeable future, they are) so they are fed the myth that we are working on the means to leave it in order to assuage the ensuing malthusian panic if everyone discovered the truth

>>19340281
>They claim that the cruising altitude is 39k but this is a lie maintained by instruments deliberately returning fudged results.
WOO the conspiracy expands to even more people
Not just every space agency but every aerospace organization too
Lotta loyalty for a hired pilot

>>19340195
>if pendulums move because of the earth rotating then why don't planes have to account for it?
Both effects are caused by inertia, anon. There's no conflict. The pendulum appears to turn because its original path is maintained while the earth rotates (and it is isolated from that energy through the gyroscope). A plane or helicopter maintains the velocity imparted to it by the rotation of the earth, that velocity doesn't cease to exist because the plane is not touching the ground.

>Wouldn't the pendulum need to be in a vacuum to avoid wind resistance
Wind resistance is negligible in this experiment, especially indoors and with a properly weighted and designed pendulum.

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>>19340376
>>19340195
>>19340066
Constant daily proof of a spherical and rotating earth

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>>19340392
words, and theoretical jargonn, never actual expirements and observation.

FE:Hey why does the moon look even closer on some nights?

GE: it just an illusion your eyes are lying, even though we really dont know why the moon look close.

no way its close

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_illusion

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>>19340230
Who wrote the laws of primary physics

A freemason, alchemist, with no understanding of electricity

Isaac Newton.

>>19340237
>anyone with a basic understanding of physics can pretty easily see where they fucked up the math.

doesn't even try to post this supposed proof of error. Just makes the claim.

>>19340264
provide links to any evidence that goes against flt earth.

Including photos and measurements.

no Nasa allowed

>>19340411
>words, and theoretical jargonn, never actual expirements and observation.
You're retarded. There are Foucault pendulums running every day in any number of museums around the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqpV1236_Q0

>>19340425
see
>>19340392

>>19340230
>there's no evidence to support it

same with mkultra and pizzagate huh

>Why the hell would we casually toss out all our tried and tested understandings of how the world

because theyre wrong, and limits technology to petroleum and stifles energy progress.

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>>19340429
>Can't even post an actual expirement has to post a cgi graphic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emwgDIFW9yc

>>19340411
People would argue if there were people around adamant that the moon was made out of green cheese though.
By this logic you can't argue against anything that has a following, enjoy your Scientology.

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>>19334027

>>19334011
>posts no sources to counter fact that eratosthenes who proved earth was a ball diidn't exist, and onl slightly tries to talk away the light refraction problem

>will go to future flat earth thread and mak claim Earth was froven a sphere millenia before Flat earrth.

>>19340464
enjoy your Scientism.

>>19340464
but we don't argue that the moon is cheese, we argue that it is a flat disk, and the moon and sun are as well as only nasa has seen the supposed "dark side" of the moon

and flat earth threads have to be both censored and banned away , If people argued the moon was green cheese we'd easily prove it wrong.

You guys can't even prove which photos aren't cgi yet, and most globe earthers think all pics of sattelites and planets are real.

my qestion started with why would they fake it.

then I found out why.

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>>19340446
>A rotating universe not a rotating earth

Yes, the "rotating Earth" model is preferred for the sake of simplicity. In fact, only in such "inertial systems", the laws of motion have the simple form in which the acceleration is determined by the force calculated via the inverse square law, and so on. All other inertial frames - moving by a uniform velocity and constant direction relatively to the first ones - offer the same simple laws.

The other frames, accelerating or rotating ones relatively to an inertial frame, don't admit a simple description like that. More precisely, their formulae for accelerations contain additional terms, the so-called fictitious forces – the centrifugal and Coriolis' force. These forces may be derived by transforming the simpler laws from the inertial systems to the non-inertial ones.

So the rotating frames – e.g. one in which the Earth is not spinning – are less good. Newton would recommend not to use them at all. Ernst Mach suggested that they are equally good and the fictitious forces result from some relative behavior with respect to distant stars. This view, Mach's principle, motivated Einstein to look for his new theory of gravity.

However, the final product, general relativity, didn't confirm Mach's principle in the original form. One may describe everything in terms of rotating frames – e.g. one in which the Earth is not spinning – but one must also include the corresponding modification of the gravitational fields which guarantee that the fictitious forces will be present.

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>>19340446
>>19340488
As a result, one may still show that the spacetime is nearly flat around the Earth and this fact becomes manifest in the inertial (not spinning) frames, e.g. one in which the Earth is spinning by the usual rate. Ernst Mach would deny that the spacetime may carry any information about its being in a spinning state or not. However, according to general relativity, even empty spacetimes do carry this information about the geometry. And the geometry is only (nearly) flat in some (non-rotating) frames. The other frames may be used as well but the laws of motion in these frames will contain additional terms – the fictitious forces – which result from a "not explicitly flat" form of the metric i.e. spacetime geometry.

>>19340481
>my qestion started with why would they fake it.

>then I found out why.

Hit me up with that knowledge bro

>>19340446
>all this mention of Earth's speed like it should be ludicrous to accept
Has this guy never been on a train, plane or car?

>>19340426
>can't reason without ad hominem.
>didn't watch video disproving focalt pendulum.

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>>19340494
>disproving foucault pendulum
If the foucault pendulum had been disproven at any point our understanding of physics would be very different from what it is now.

>>19340039
>posts pic
>you say it is fake
shitty game

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>>19340508
>still didn't watch the video chronicling the multiple problems with the foucalt pendulum.

> our understanding of physics would be very different from what it is now.

It is different, we'vve made breakthroughs in electric theory that disprove gravity and they are thoroughly ignored in favor of worship of Einstein and freemason/royal society/ Jesuit science which controls publishing of text book through Rockefeller funded education system and Pearson textbooks monopoly.

there are many topics one must understand BEFORE taking the popular consensus at face value, any real scientist would confirm the truth of 3000 year old retirements such as the cavendish and sagnac expirement before believing the failing government regulated education system we all know and love

You should already know they trashed electric trains, through conspiratorial means

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy

What else do you think they'll stifle to keep oil monopolies and endless war profits

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_energy_suppression_conspiracy_theory

Look at this gay shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtU_mdL2vBM

Fucking NASATAN

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>>19340545
>we've made breakthroughs in electric theory that disprove gravity

>>19340545
>that image
>stand up on plane
>"wtf pilot I thought we were travelling at 500mph why can't I feel that"

>>19340530
>doesn't post pic

curious you'd think after 50 years there would be thousands of sattelite photos and 24 hour footage of earth considering billions in tax dollars a year.