Islam

>>19285474
Allah chooses those worthy to believe and this be saved.

Allah makes me feel it's necessary to tell you to fuck off, If you weren't born a believer you will only spread lies and disease.

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>>19285615
Muhammad is a false prophet.

All Muslims will be sent to hell for not believing in the one true son of God, Jesus Christ.

Your false prophet was a liar, a thief and a pedophile.

>>19285615
You haven't read the Qur'an huh?

>>19285474
Muslim here, a sinful one, though

Allah makes me feel that no matter how hard and shit life's throwing at me, as long as i keep carry on with my life and face it faithfully, He'll never abandon me.

>>19285474
They follow Islam because their family will kill them for apostasy if they don't.
/thread

>>19285615
That's absolutely not how it works. That' the fucking opposite of how it works.

>>19285922
Actually that might be true. Im not a Muslim, but I have read the Quran.

>>19285474
Allah gives me that burning feeling, deep, deep, down in my spirit! Ohh wait, that's my suicide vest going off!

Why does Islam require circumcision?

>>19285474
Allah makes me feel like waging jihad against nonbelievers.

I found out today that Muslims hate dogs. What gives?

>>19285956
It doesn't. It's obligatory.

>>19285474
I'm a Muslim and I follow Islam because I'm as retarded as a Christian but I'm also a pedophile and I already speak Arabic so it's an easy choice.

>>19286000
what's a jihad, anon? love and compassion for your fellow anons?

>>19286015
>someone needs to look up the word "obligatory"

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>>19285693
Christ is a tulpa that you subconsciously created, but what evs floats that boat.

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>>19285615
Look, a Calvinist Muslim.

Kill all muslims. They are the root of all the natural problems that plague the world.

>>19286021
My mistake. I meant to say some sects of Islam debate whether it's obligatory or not. I mean to say it isn't required.

>>19286047
Find a better solution than killing, which appears to be the natural solution. At least try to be better than the things you want to get rid of.

All of the Abrahamic religions are wrong, deliberate lies meant to confuse and pacify us.

i quit islam long time ago
its horrible religion and they have awful culture

>>19286149
Can you explain why? I'm curious

>>19285474
Muslims get to fuck kids and kill people. And Allah (shit be upon him) rewards you for it when you die

>>19286122
>deliberate lies
This, except that I don't care if it was originally deliberate or not. Worshiping blind guesses is not part of my worldview.

>>19286195
>I don't care if it was originally deliberate or not
You don't care about large scale cultural engineering? Or who could possibly be behind a project like that?

>>19286205
No, because any attack meant to warp or leverage human nature for nefarious means is inevitably irrelevant to what caused the attack.

The very fact that it's large scale means that the answer isn't found at its source, it's found in any attempt to improve the condition of human logic.

It's a crying shame that the persian culture has been completely lost to Muslims

>>19285693
This. Muslims are lost and in grave danger of ending in hell.

>>19286122
>muh abrahamic
Muslims DO NOT WORSHIP THE GOD OF ISRAEL (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob aka Israel) Muslims worship baal.

>>19286256
>THE GOD OF ISRAEL
Has it occurred to you in all your studies of comparative mythology that NO gods ever really existed?

>>19286256
>mfw Islam was literally created by Jews

>>19285775
This
i dont think its real faith when there is a gun to your head

I love Allah because he grants me rights to marry 5 year old women

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>>19286030
Jesus Christ isn't my tulpa.

Having God as a tulpa is a dangerous idea.

>>19286030
You sound like someone who's really good at pretending.

Jesus and Mohamed ruined monotheistic religion. Neither were the final prophet and since they knew that they made sure to say things like they were the only way to heaven, creating hate and war in their name. Our souls are of god, we are brothers and sisters and it's time to start acting like it

>From Atheism to Islam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiRsyes_q8o
>Christian to Islam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHFgcRGIrH0
>Quran
https://quran.com/

>Full Debate: Is Jesus God?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXIBBCcJfRc

Yusha Evans has come from the USA to teach this course. He was raised in Greenville, S.C. with a very strict Methodist upbringing. He went to a small Bible college in Greenville and actually had the intention to become a minister or a missionary. He also had interest in becoming a Bible scholar, and was learning to read the Bible in Hebrew and Greek. In December of 1998. After reading the Bible cover to cover, analytically, he began to realize there were a lot of inconsistencies, contradictions. The confusion led him to leave Christianity altogether and he started searching other religions.

>Yusha Evans Fallacies of the New Testament
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkaevBCU6nM

>Yusha Evans - From Youth Christian Minister to Islam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ochM1TvVB0I

In 1977, Professor Gary Miller, the active Canadian preacher and mathematics and logic lecturer at Toronto University, decided to provide a great service to Christianity through exposing scientific and historical errors in the Noble Qur’an in such a way that would be beneficial to him and his fellow preachers in calling Muslims to Christianity. However, the result was completely to the contrary.

http://www.islamforchristians.com/gary-miller-man-challenged-quran/

http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/
http://www.geocities.com/noorullahwebsite/
http://www.islam-is-the-only-solution.com/
http://www.mereislam.info/
http://answeringmissionaries.wordpress.com/
http://www.ummah.com/
http://www.answering-christianity.com/
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/
http://www.muslim-responses.com/
http://www.islamforchristians.com/

There are many things in the Qur'an on Science,
In this book, "A Brief Illustrated Guide to Understanding Islam", there are many illustrations in it, are taken from science books.
https://www.islamreligion.com/ebooks/islam-guide.pdf

Showing things they've only discovered in the last century, about the earth, about the planets, the universe, embryology, the rivers, the seas, the list goes on...
And then it mentions in here, the verses of Qur'an, that for sure it had to come from Allah, because nobody knew it 1400 years ago... no one even knew it 140 years ago.
And here it is in this amazing book, and never with a contradiction.

Is there another book in the world, telephone book, encyclopedia, dictionary; is there book written 1400 years ago, in any language, of any size at all -- that people memorise today, and have over 10 million people who have memorised it?

How could it be that over 10 million people are memorising it, and memorising it in the exact way and language, classical Arabic, in which it was ORIGINALLY REVEALED?

And guess what? 85% of those people memorising it, aren't even Arab... and Arabic is not their native language.

In fact, there is no other religion that has such a book, or anything close to it. Because, no other religion promotes the idea of memorising the text. In fact, if they did, they'd figure out pretty fast their religion is pretty weird.
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, FOR MORE THAN ONE THOUSAND YEARS, FORBID ANYONE WHO WAS NOT AUTHORISED (PRIEST, SO ON) TO EVEN HAVE A BIBLE!
And, if you tried to translate the bible to another language, you would be killed.

In 1511, in England, by William Tindale, the Bible translated from Latin into English; when Tindale was found with it, they tied it to him & tied him up, and burned him to death.
That is a fact.
They didn't know that he had a second copy. :D

>>19287198

William Coverdale, Tindale's student, came up with another version around 1528, another Bible 50 years after that.
And in 1611, a group got together, and tried to make a translation from the older, Koine Greek manuscripts (not from Latin translation). That was called the Authorised Version of the Bible, or the King James Bible.
But guess what?
It had to be retranslated the year after, 1612 because it had so many mistakes.

In any case, it happens in the book of John, the first chapter, the Pharisees (leaders/scribes for the Sanhedrin), have approached Yahya (alayhe salaam), as he is preaching and baptising.
19 Now this was John’s testimony when the Jewish leaders[c] in Jerusalem sent priests and Levites to ask him who he was.
20 He did not fail to confess, but confessed freely, “I am not the Messiah.”
21 They asked him, “Then who are you? Are you Elijah?”
This is because, in the Old Testament, they are awaiting the return of the Prophet Elijah (alayhe salaam). They killed a lot of their prophets, but they expected Elijah to come back.
21 He said, “I am not.”
“Are you that Prophet?”
He answered, “No.”
22 Finally they said, “Who are you? Give us an answer to take back to those who sent us. What do you say about yourself?”
24 Now the Pharisees who had been sent
25 questioned him, “Why then do you baptize if you are not the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?”

We know Elijah (alayhe salaam) from the Old Testament,
we all know who the Messiah is, as Jesus (alayhe salaam),
but who is that Prophet?

And as you read your Bible, you know who it is;
it is none other than Muhammad salah Allahu alayhe wa salaam.

>>19287200

In Deuteronomy 18:18, it says
I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee (Moses); and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

Well, who are their brethren? Who are the breathren of the Israelites? The Israelites are descended from Isaac (alayhe salaam), who is the son of Abraham (alayhe salaam). Abraham's first born son, Ishmael (alayhe salaam), and his descendants, the Arabs are their brethren!
And that is where Muhammad (salah Allahu alayhe wa salaam) came from, through Abraham (alayhe salaam), through Ishmael (alayhe salaam).
Some try to say this is talking about Jesus (alayhe salaam), not Muhammad (salah Allahu alayhe wa salaam).

Let's compare, Moses (alayhe salaam),
Muhammad (salah Allahu alayhe wa salaam),
Yeshua ibn Maryam (alayhe salaam)

Moses (alayhe salaam) - Born of a normal birth, separated from his mother early on. Grows up to be a normal boy, then one day, a problem. Was a shepherd, and engaged physically in fights some time or another, and had killed.
Had a Book -- The Books of Moses, the Commandments from Mt. Sinai.
Revelation starts on a mountain.
Everyone knows about these books of Moses.

Muhammad (salah Allahu alayhe wa salaam) - Born of a normal birth, also separated from his Mother early on, and his parents died early on in his life after that. Grows up to be a normal boy, then one day, a problem. Was a shepherd, and engaged physically in fights some time or another, and had killed.
Had a Book -- The Qur'an, from Mountain of Light.
Revelation starts on a mountain.
The most popular and read book in the world.

Jesus (alayhe salaam) - Not a normal birth, but a miracle birth. Not separated from his Mother or Father. Was a shepherd, but was not engaged in any fights according to Christians, and did not kill according to Christians.
Had a Book -- Injeel, preached immediately; revelation started immediately.
No one has seen this book.

>>19287202

So you read the Bible, and the Books of Moses (alayhe salaam), and you go through and you see when Moses(alayhe salaam) died and was buried.
But that's pretty hard to do, after you're dead, write down, "I died and I was buried"...
The Final Prophet, Muhammad (salah Allahu alayhe wa salaam), died and was buried.
According to the Bible, Jesus didn't stay in the ground, he went up to be with Allah. According to the Qur'an, he went up; according to what Muslims know as truth, he did not die.

On television, anyone ever seen the guys lifting weights for Jesus?
I guess he'd appreciate that, saving him all the effort...
What kind of stuff is this? Is Allah going to accept that as worship?
Did Allah ask you to do that?
This is what it mean when we talk about
"innaddina indallahil al-islam ان الدین عند اللہ السلام"
[3:19]

Allah is only going to accept that which He has ordained; He's only going to accept that you submit to what He wants you to do.
The only way to do that is to know what it is.

Every Muslim, every day, ask Allah for Guidance. All of us do, we are constantly asking Allah for Guidance.

Some Christians choose to make fun of us for that,
"Why? You don't know you're guided? We know we're guided, all we did is say 'Jesus is God, Son of God, died on the Cross, blah blah blah', we don't have to do anything else"

Whereas, with Muslims, we are constantly asking Allah, "Guide us, guide us, guide us"

How many times a day do we say "Guide us to the straight path"?
At least 17 times daily, as part of a 7 verse prayer.

>>19287204

Immediately after this 7 verse prayer, look what Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says in the Qur'an:

Alif. Lam. Meem.
This is the Book about which there is no doubt, and it is a source of guidance for those who fear their Lord, Allah -
Who believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them;
After you asked for guidance, and then He tells you!
"Here it is! This is the Book! There is no doubt in it!"
Meaning, what?
There must be a book out there with doubt in it.
And this Qur'an has no doubt in it, but it's not going to guide anybody,
except those who have taqwa (fear of God),
believe in the Unseen,
and establish their SALAH (daily prayers),
and give Zakat (tithe, offering).

Allah made it very clear in that verse;

no Salah (prayers): no Hidayah (guidance).
You want al-Qur'an to guide you? Establish Salah.
I will tell you Islam is still the fastest growing religion in the world, Alhamdulillah! -- and this is not because of us-- it is in spite of us, this is from Allah!

The Christians spend millions of dollars and have teams going out for all their different denominations working really hard.
We don't have anybody doing anything.
And yet they're flocking to us like crazy!

And they keep bashing Islam, saying abusive we are to women, that's their #1 thing!
"Islam has nothing for Women, no Women's rights, abusing to Women, don't go there!"
Who's the ones coming most to Islam? The WOMEN!
4 to 5 to 10 times as many as the Men!
Alhamdulillah Ar-Rahman Ar-Raheem
You know what they say,
"They plan, and Allah plans.
And Allah, is The Best of Planners."
Allahu Ackbar!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzYgjC44dhA

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>Short video of scientific miracles in Qur'an
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL42ljZcTSQ

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>>19287223
who could've known 1400 years ago that the planets were in an orbit?

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>>19287225
>miracle of microscopic human embryo development in the Qur'an
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYajKl-Xr6c

this information could only have come from God

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>>19285474
I want a bunch six year old girls to scrub the cum off my clothes between orgies, why else?

>>19287225
1. Islam says the sun goes down into a pool of mud at night.

The quran and hadiths clearly say allah wrote the bible.

It says nobody can corrupt allahs word.

It says all muslims should go to the torah and the gospels to affirm the quran.

Well if you go to the bible, the bible contradicts the quran and hadiths.

So if the bible is not corrupted, islam is false.

If the bible is corrupted, islam is false.

= Islam is false.

Islamic Dilemma on youtube if you don't believe me.

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>>19287228
http://www.speed-light.info/miracles_of_quran/big_bang_crunch.htm

The Christian Bible says that in the beginning God said "Let there be light" Genesis 1:3. However this turned out to be false. The universe was opaque to visible light (non-transparent) and photons couldn't travel at all. After the Big Bang the universe was primarily Hydrogen, Helium and a tiny bit of Lithium. However when a gas is too hot it becomes ionized (loses the electrons) and becomes opaque (like today's smoke). In the beginning the universe was opaque to visible light (non-transparent). After 380,000 years the universe cooled enough and it became transparent to visible light. For other wavelengths it was opaque for a billion years. So "Let there be light" turned out to be false. However the Quran correctly said that at the beginning it was SMOKE, that is, a hot non-transparent gas:

[Quran 41.11] Then He directed himself to the Heaven when it was SMOKE, and then said to it and to Earth: "Come willingly or by force" they said "We do come willingly"

How could an illiterate man who lived 1400 years ago have known that it was just smoke after the Big Bang?

The universe was created in a Big Bang 13.7 billion years ago, is still expanding today, and billions of years from now it might recollapse by its own gravity with a Big Crunch (or continue expanding forever, Big Chill). The Quran says that on the first day of creation, God made the heavens and the Earth meshed together, tight and compact (Big Bang), continues to expand it into the universe we know today and at the last day God will recompress it into its original state (Big Crunch). About the first day (Big Bang), Allah says:

[Quran 21.30] Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the Earth were meshed together then We ripped them apart? And then We made of water everything living? Would they still not believe?

>>19287241
muhammad said stars are missiles that allah uses to shoot down demons with.

kek, only an idiot would think islam is of God :')

Quit Larping God, it's getting old dude

In the Quran the Heavens expanded from a single point.

Cosmologists just confirmed the existence of "Dark Energy", a mysterious repulsive force that acts in opposite to gravity. As the distance increases, the attractive gravitational force decreases but this mysterious repulsive force increases. This repulsive force is pushing galaxies apart; the greater the distance the greater the repulsion. Scientists today do not know what this "Dark Energy" is, but they know that it is causing the entire universe to expand at an increasing rate.

[Quran 51.47] And the heaven, We built it with craftsmanship and We are still expanding.

How could an illiterate man who lived 1400 years ago have known about the expansion of the universe?

There are three possibilities to how the universe could end: Big Crunch (Quran), Big Chill and the Big Rip. NASA recently ruled out the third scenario (No Big Rip; see also: Universe Today). This leaves the universe with only two possible endings: Big Chill or Big Crunch, depending on what this Dark Energy turns out to be. Learn more: Expansion of Universe in Quran. In the Quran God promises to make the Big Crunch:

[Quran 21.104] On the day when We will fold the heaven, like the folder compacts the books, and as We originated the first creation We shall return it; a promise (binding on Us); surely We will deliver.

>>19287238
for your number one, you are blatantly mistranslating.

try to not deliberately mistranslate. you are only showing the importance of translating properly.

the qur'an and hadiths clearly do NOT say that Allah wrote the bible. the qur'an and hadith clearly show that the bible has been fabricated. you are misrepresenting what is stated in the qur'an.

>There is no contradiction in the Qur’an about changes in the words of Allah and there being no change in them
https://islamqa.info/en/147330

the bible is NOT what the islamic creed or faith is dependent on. the bible is corrupt by its own admission, ask any scholar.

>>19287246
Here God promises to make this Big Crunch however not by gravity but rather by folding the Heavens like a book, that is, by the same mechanism He controls wormholes. This means that this Big Crunch can begin and end in a fraction of a second!

Also after this Big Crunch is over, God promises to recreate those heavens and Earth once more before Judgment Day:

[Quran 14.48] On the day when Earth will be swapped by another Earth and so will be the heavens; and all (creatures) will resurrect before the One Dominant God.

[Quran 36.81] Is He not, who created the heavens and the Earth, capable of creating others like them? Yes, indeed! He is the All-Knowing Creator. His command, if He wanted a thing, is that He only says to it, "BE" and it becomes! So glorified is He in whose hands is the dominion of all things, and to Him you shall be returned.

>>19287238
>>19287241
For example the verse 5 in the Repentance chapter (in Arabic) says:

((فَاقْتُلُواْ الْمُشْرِكِينَ حَيْثُ وَجَدتُّمُوهُمْ وَخُذُوهُمْ وَاحْصُرُوهُمْ وَاقْعُدُواْ لَهُمْ كُلَّ مَرْصَدٍ)) التوبة الآية 5

((faktoloo almoshrikeena haitho wagattomohom wa khothohom wa ehsoroohom wa ake’do lahom kolla marsad)) The repentance, Verse 5

You can refer the article named (The Repentance chapter) to know the reason of these verses and what is meant from them. Anyways the translation of Mohammed M. Pickthall was as follows:

((slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush)) Quran 9:5 Pickthall

>>19287246
HAHAHA

I'm mistranslating your most RESPECTED translator???

what you're really saying is:

"this shit sounds so stupid, it must be false because it just can't be what i believe in"

lmao

>>19287250
>>19287246
>>19287238
This did not specify the Meccian soldiers. It is easily known (to us) that the idolaters meant in this verse are the Meccian soldiers and not all idolaters for all times, but this fact will not be known for a (non- Muslim) who is reading the translation of the Quran for the first time. So from my point of view it was better to be translated as follows:

((slay the pagan Meccian soldiers wherever you find them, take them captives, besiege them and prepare for them each ambush)) The noble Quran, Chapter 9, Verse 5

So the one who is quoting this verse from the translation of the Quran will understand that it a story and not an order for all the times and places. Another problem in Pickthall’s translation of the Quran is his translation of the following noble verse:

))جعل الارض قرارا )) النمل الآية 61

((Ga’l Al-arda karara)) The ants, Verse 61

He translated it as follows:

((Is not He (best) Who made the earth a fixed abode)) Quran 27:61 Pickthall

So the enemies of the Quran accused us on believing a book that says that the earth is fixed and does not move. From my point of view the noble verse should be translated as follows:

((HE made the earth a resting-place)) The noble Quran, Chapter 27, Verse 61

Another problem was his translation of the story of Zul-Qarnain (the man with two Horns). He translated it in a way that gives an impression that the Quran says that the earth is flat and that Zul-Qarnain reached the extreme west of earth. It also gives an impression that the Quran says that the sun-setting place in the universe is a hot water!!!!!!

There are so many other examples, but it will be so long to mention all of it.

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Look at the population rates of Islam. A book written before this filth was cast out in the world it was said; "narrow is the road too heaven"

Something tells me all these muslims worship Satan. Think about it logically for a second; Muhammad penetrated a 9 year old girl and high fives hisnhommies after and said they should do the same.

And people follow this guy... he preaches self gratification through the harming of another.

Better to tie a rock around your neck and be thrown at he bottom of the ocean then harm a child.

Repent you vultures!

>>19287252
>I'm mistranslating your most RESPECTED translator???
what are you talking about? you haven't cited anything. i'm actually citing your mistranslation for you, which is from pickthall, and is not by far my "most respected translator"?

>>19287254
muhammad first thought he was being possessed by a demon and tried to commit suicide many times, it was only after he was told by some bitch "this is god talking to u" lmao

not only that but he goes against 100% historical proof and most important the entire religtard of islam goes against the bible.

anyone who takes islam seriously is either ignorant or possessed

>>19287254
Muhammad peace be upon him's youngest wife was 19, not 9. you are propagating a myth and disinformation. that is easily disproven.

do your research.

islam worships the God of Abraham.

Look at the population rates of islam? it's still behind Christianity. by your logic, you are saying that Christianity is false.

islam does not teach or preach self-gratification through the harming of another.. that is the crucifiction...

>>19287256
i dont give a fuck about citing shit, this is easily found on google

David Wood RAPES islam on a daily basis and he cites it all and gives you the most trusted sources.

i used to be a muslim, you dont think i know islam lmao, fuck you

>>19287263
wrong, she was 6 years old when he married her
she was 9 when he raped her
she was around 19 when muhammad got owned by a jewish woman and got killed in the EXACT SAME WAY allah said he would be killed if he was a false prophet

LOL

proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6st_tFj6ouM

>>19287261
Gabriel alayhe salaam, the Archangel, told Muhammad salah Allahu alayhe wa salaam, that "You are the messenger of God."

you clearly are miseducated. and you also don't cite any of your claims.

you are just spewing hatred and filth. which religion could possibly teach you to do that?

>>19287266
if you "used to be muslim" then prove it, lol

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/hazrat-aisha-was-19-not-9/story-G4kaBHqM0VXoBhLR0eI2oO.html

http://www.irfi.org/articles/articles_151_200/ayesha_age_the_myth_of__a_prover.htm

here, i've given multiple citations, you've given a youtube link..

>>19287267
50 reasons muhammad was not a prophet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q3f15NXrLI

lol i fucking hate islam and muhammad that fucking pedophile, is burning in hell right now

>>19287273
why the fuck would i prove to you, i was a muslim....? who the fuck would lie about being a fucking retard only to come to their senses later on?

wtf...

Watch david woods channel, he legit RAPES islam on a daily basis. Each video gives muhammad a bigger asshole

>>19287278
because it should be pretty simple to prove it.

like, reciting ayat al-kursi ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXWXgedz5x4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZnXT7yUVXM

here's two videos of david wood getting completely destroyed. he is a liar.

>>19287281
are you rly this stupid?

anyone could google "ayat al-kursi"

copy and paste

you would believe, i dont givre a fuck about proving it to you lol do you not get that?

>>19287281
http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/prophet_muhammad__peace_be_upon_him__and_the_taking_of_poison

more refutation of david wood.

here you fail to really offer anything of substance.
just someone who attempted to murder his own father. someone with obvious problems.

go away david wood

>>19287283
LOL! HERE YOU THINK RECITING IS COPYING AND PASTING

YOU ARE NOT A MUSLIM!

EVERY SINGLE MUSLIM I KNOW RECITES THAT DAILY

>>19287287
>>19287283
ITD BE SO OBVIOUS IF YOU JUST GOOGLED AYAT AL-KURSI FOR THE FIRST TIME IN YOUR LIFE AND TRIED TO RECITE IT

OMG

WAY TO PROVE YOU'RE A LIAR!!!!

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>>19287287
>>19287289

do you guys see how stupid you have to be, to be a muslim? This is proof of how fucking retarded you have to be.

you want me to recite some bullshit, anyone could have googled and copy and pasted and this would be your proof, you're a fucking garbage of a human being

<----- its muhammad

>>19287295
so anyone can google and copy and paste a foreign language they've never spoken before in their life, and speak it with fluency the same way someone would if they spoke it fluently, daily???

LOL!!!

you are showing you don't even know that muslims recite...
you can't recite with copy and paste
you can't recite with copy and paste
you can't recite with copy and paste
you can't recite with copy and paste
you can't recite with copy and paste

what teaches you to lie like this?

>>19287298
اللَّهُ لَا إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ الْحَيُّ الْقَيُّومُ ۚ لَا تَأْخُذُهُ سِنَةٌ وَلَا نَوْمٌ ۚ لَّهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ ۗ مَن ذَا الَّذِي يَشْفَعُ عِندَهُ إِلَّا بِإِذْنِهِ ۚ يَعْلَمُ مَا بَيْنَ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَمَا خَلْفَهُمْ ۖ وَلَا يُحِيطُونَ بِشَيْءٍ مِّنْ عِلْمِهِ إِلَّا بِمَا شَاءَ ۚ وَسِعَ كُرْسِيُّهُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ ۖ وَلَا يَئُودُهُ حِفْظُهُمَا ۚ وَهُوَ الْعَلِيُّ الْعَظِيمُ

>>19287295
here you go, all you have to do is upload a voiceclip

>>19287298
HAHAHA

YOU ASKED ME, TO PROVE I WAS A MUSLIM, BY RECITING SOMETHING

THIS IS THE FUCKING INTERNET YOU PIECE OF SHIT LMAO :D

btw did you know muhammad dressed up in aishas clothes and said he only got revelation from lucifer-- i mean allah when he did that?

looolz

>>19287299
idiot still thinks i would say those words

you must be a fucking retard, only way.

id never admit allah was god you fucking cunt, fuck dont you get you sub human shit stain?

fucking pedophile lover

>>19287299
even though you shouldn't need a voice clip as this is done from memory, daily, by every muslim i know... and if you were a muslim you would be able to recite at all...

given that the first command in Islam is to do so

>>19287302
www.vocaroo.com ?

you are only proving you were never a muslim. if you were ever you'd be able to offer any shred of evidence...

he even replies to the wrong fucking dude.
>>19287305

im out. this is getting so fucking pathetic

>>19287307
if you noticed, most all of my posts that were connected reference each other. such as the posts above about science.

i can't quote myself as an addendum? lol... cop out all you want

>>19286758
Have you ever read a single thing Jesus said?

Nobody would even care about Islam if Muslims weren't exploding with rage all the time. How about getting noticed for a positive achievement? The ideas would be more impressive if they could survive without violence.

>>19286047
>USA* is the root of all the natural problems that plague the world.
fixed that for you

>>19285474
Because Allah the Loving and Merciful will torture you forever in Hell if you don't worship him.

>>19287519
Islam's literally built on violence. There are entire chapters dedicated to "And here's why you should hate [non-Muslim group]" and of course there's the passage that demands that Muslims fight unbelievers wherever they find them.

>>19287593
;c

>>19285474
Because I'm allowed to beat women for back-talking.

>>19285922
It says REPEATEDLY in the Qur'an that Allah chooses who to guide and who to lead astray.

>>19285956
Because the original source material was Judaism, and you know how much they love their genital mutilation.

>>19286018
It's when you murder people and take their shit because they're filthy unbelievers.

>>19285474
>Current year
>Not worshiping based YISUN
>Not reaching Heaven through violence

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cause i can rape children and beat bitches for backtalk

>>19285474
>I am fascinated with your religion

No you aren't. You're fascinated by the media coverage of Islam. You're like someone wanting to join a pop star's fan club when you've never even heard their music.

The Quran is likely channeled material like any other. It spread very quickly because it has traits that make it hard to stop (like a virus). While there is some good in it (compared to say, some of the local warlike tribes that -- equally warlike -- mohammed was attempting to unify/conquer), in current times there is little to be found that is beneficial.

>>19285474
Out of many silly based-on-a-rants-of-an-village-idiot-schemes-to-rule-stupid-motherfuckers, this one is quite around the top.

>>19288001
who is that?

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>>19288001
Post more of this braphog, please.

>>19285615
It's a fucking way of worship
It the same God. There's only one.
I don't expect you to understand, it takes an intelect and people whose parents re first cousins rarely have that

>>19285775
My friend is a Muslim and his grandmother declared him apostate and tried to have him killed, so yeah.

You guys also shot yourself in the foot with taqiya, no one has any fucking reason to believe you

You get to have multiple wives you can sperg out on like trailer trash and fuck little kids. You virtually get to do whatever you want. Is it really that hard to see why they follow a moon goddess?

Muslims are degenerated filth, fucking children and animals, marrying their relatives. Countless generations of incest ridden scum made Muslim countries what they are today - the shitstain of the planet. All of these subhumans deserve the oven.

explain to me why your symbol is the crescent moon with a star? What does it mean exactly?

>>19287198
Proving that people are still idiotic enough to separate one from each other by stupid bias and paradigms that come and pass in an never ending cicle.

If what Islam is teaching is totally truth then how come there are billions of other people who live just fine without it. Same goes for basically every religion there is.
> we got memorized a 1400 yo book
Wow great, can you do miracles now? How are you not dogmatically brainwashed precisely the same way as raging american christian who sees a devil in you?
In the end majority of these pragmatic religious followers are in fact rotten human beings who got no control over their mind, and they just carry on on the belief that even though they know deep inside that they are unworthy, they clinge on an idea that the """"almighty"""" version of their god totally takes them in because a priest/book/kek says so.

Nobody really train their mind anymore. The only true miracles and a way forward come for years long practice with your own mind and body, to fullfil your true potential in this existence.

But nope, wast majority of people are too lazy/weak to try to achieve this. Hence the religion is a simple answer for them... I wish this will change one day, even if we'd have to drastically die out before that.

>>19287514
"Don't imagine that I came to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." Dude also whithered a tree out a spite. If he was god, he whithered his own creation out of pettiness

>>19289413
He also told the thief, today you will be with me in paradise. Jesus descended into hell the day he died.

>>19289449
>>19289413
So Jesus was the Demiurge all along?

>>19289473
Jesus and Muhammad were sent to confuse the world and spread fear. They spoke a lot of truth but Mohammed fucked little girls and Jesus split Judaism and did the example I showed. Jesus word has been to all corners of the earth, where's the peace. If I was Satan I'd decieve the world and tell them I was son of god

>>19289493
what if i told you it was not a lie. also peace is greater than it used to be, you're all richer than you used to be.

>>19289521
How can you know for sure. You weren't there and essentially believe what king James said to believe

>>19288356
Read the filename, you mong.

>>19289413
Context is fun!
>Matthew
>10:34 Do not think I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
>10:35 For I have come to 'set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother; and a daughter in law against her mother in law'
>10:36 and 'a man's enemies will be that of his own household.'

Do you understand what Jesus was actually saying here?

also
>he withered a tree out of spite

>Mark
>11:21 And Peter, remembering, said to Him "Teacher, look! The fig tree which you have cursed has withered away."
>11:22 So Jesus answered and said to them,"Have faith in God.
>11:23 "For assuredly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain," Be removed and be cast into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart, but believes those things he says will be done, he will have whatever he says."

Try harder.

>>19287263
Muhammad -did- in fact rape children, most especially in the case of his youngest "bride"
>'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old. Sahih Muslim 8:3311

>And (as for) those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, if you have a doubt, their prescribed time shall be three months, and of those too who have not had their courses; and (as for) the pregnant women, their prescribed time is that they lay down their burden; and whoever is careful of (his duty to) Allah He will make easy for him his affair. Qur'an 65:4

His companions practiced pedophilia as well.
>"'Umar asked 'Ali for the hand of his daughter, Umm Kulthum in marriage. 'Ali replied that she has not yet attained the age (of maturity). 'Umar replied, 'By Allah, this is not true. You do not want her to marry me. If she is underage, send her to me'. Thus 'Ali gave his daughter Umm Kulthum a dress and asked her to go to 'Umar and tell him that her father wants to know what this dress is for. When she came to Umar and gave him the message, he grabbed her hand and forcibly pulled her towards him. 'Umm Kulthum asked him to leave her hand, which Umar did and said, 'You are a very mannered lady with great morals. Go and tell your father that you are very pretty and you are not what he said of you'. With that 'Ali married Umm Kulthum to 'Umar." Tarikh Khamees, Volume 2, p. 384 ('Dhikr Umm Kalthum') and Zakhair Al-Aqba, p. 168

>>19289992
So making households fight and cursing gods creations is love, oh ok that still sounds like an asshole

>>19289992
Also don't you realize the final messianic prophet IS here to bring peace to the world. Go ahead worship your false prophet

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>>19290062
Your ignorance is truly astounding, anon.

>>19286014
Its because dog is mans best freind during the rapture.
Islam is the black cube, saturn, satan.

>>19290110
Could you explain to him how he's wrong instead of just insulting him? I see his interpretation of those passages as valid. I would like to read your counter argument.

>>19290129
He doesn't have one that's why he resorted to insults. He doesn't think for himself. Thank god he was born into the right religion. That was a close one. He couldn't possibly be as lost as those in the Middle East. He's ego won't allow that

Not a Muslim, just a Christian who wants to share their thoughts.

Mohammed was a real prophet. Father has a habit of choosing people who aren't pillars of justice or anything. Anyways, Mohammed does what he's told for a while and is generally a just fine prophet. But gradually over time, Mohammed as a person slowly became a bad person. Like, Imagine if Jesus gave in to Asmodeus's temptations. You can tell that he's making things up on the fly in the later years.

>>19290429
Islam believes that Prophets are the best examples to mankind and that they are as close to perfect as can be.

Christianity continually fabricates lies and slanders the Prophets, accusing them of outrageous, major sins.

Muhammad peace be upon him, is the greatest example for mankind, and is a mercy for all of creation. He did not slowly become a bad person. You should educate yourself, read more, etc. because it is clear that you are not educated on what you're discussing, like most people here...

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>>19290854
What about him being a pedophile and stuff?

>>19290881
>>19287273
Muhammad's (peace be upon him) youngest wife was 19, and a divorcee. this claim is spouted, "he married a 2/6/9/12 year old!!!" but it's a very recent claim considering there's a long line of islamophobia. the disinfo is never consistent.

that's probably because our records very clearly contradict it. the claims are easily debunked.

>>19287273
>>19287273

>>19290900
A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE NEW TESTAMENT

In the two thousand years since the birth of Jesus of Nazareth, the world of Christendom has seen incredible changes, including a split with the Eastern Orthodox Church and a Protestant Reformation, accompanied by a rejection of much core ideology. Yet throughout it all, the collection of scripture called the New Testament has remained largely unquestioned, even though it was assembled by the same church leaders whose beliefs many now refute. (3)

To challenge the veracity of the canonical New Testament is, at best, an uncomfortable position; such questions strike at the very heart of most Christians' faith. Nevertheless, these sacred writings have come to us only after decades of oral traditions and centuries of scribal rewrites, much according to the beliefs of select groups in the early days of Christianity. It is only by attempting to study the origins and evolution of the New Testament scriptures that one can hope to discover the true historical Jesus, a worthy goal of any Christian believer. (3)

Most of us take it for granted to have a copy of a Bible and do not bother to know how we got it. The question why the New Testament has twenty-seven books, not more and not less, hardly comes to our mind. While all of us are unlikely to think that they just simply dropped from the sky, we may not realize the long process (EXHIBIT A), which took place before those twenty-seven books were finally selected. In the first place, Jesus wrote no book and did not give any commandment to write down his teaching as testified by the four Gospels. Neither He nor His apostles gave us the list and approved any of the twenty-seven New Testament books. They neither used nor introduced the terms Old and New Testaments (4). All of the books of the New Testament were written after the apostles.

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>>19290906
The source texts:
Sifting through the scores of different English versions of the New Testament, one is poignantly reminded of how translation, particularly of archaic language, is subject to personal interpretation. It is therefore vitally important that we get as close to the original source as possible. The oldest surviving near-complete texts of the New Testament are the Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus (EXHIBIT A), dating back to around 350 A.D.(3). The Codex Sinaiticus and Vaticanus also contains books which are no longer part of the New Testament, such as The Shephard of the Hermes and the Epistle of Barnabas (EXHIBIT A). The oldest fragments: P32, P46, P52, P64, P66, P77, P90, P98, P103, P104 (EXHIBIT E), date back to the second century; all of these texts are Greek. This presents a disturbing problem. First, Jesus' native tongue was Aramaic, and even if he knew Greek, he certainly did not speak it to his apostles, many of whom were uneducated fishermen. Without any surviving Aramaic texts, the actual words of Christ are lost forever, mired in a sea of subjective translation by ancient scribes (3).

THE 27 BOOKS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT
(SEE ATTACHED)

>>19290908
>>19290906
The majority of Christians believe that the Gospels were written by direct witnesses of the life of Jesus, and, therefore, constitute unquestionable evidence concerning the events detailing his life and preaching.
On the contrary, the time that elapsed between the end of Jesus' ministry and the appearance of texts is great. Not a single written source has come down to us from the first two decades after Jesus left earth in the year 30 A.D.
The first written sources appear around 50 AD, the letters of Paul contained in the New Testament (5). Unfortunately, we know very little about Paul. He was believed to be born in Tarsus, a Greek city in what today is eastern Turkey. He was Jewish and received a good education in Greek and Jewish traditions.
Moreover, Paul originally vehemently opposed the followers of Jesus who were proclaiming him to be a new way to God, However, in the process of his opposition Paul became transformed called, he believed to carry the news of Jesus to the Gentiles (Acts 9).
He began to travel and proclaim Jesus. (1)

It must be remembered that Paul never knew Jesus nor ever met him since he came from a Greek city.

These are the earliest written records we have concerning Christianity.
Moreover, Paul originally hated Christians (Galatians 1:13, 1 Corinthians 15:9) and even had Stephen martyred in 36 A.D. (Acts 7:58).

>>19290915
>>19290908
>>19290906
The four anonymous gospels that we possess (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John) all date from the last third of the first century. Like Paul, the authors of these documents also did not know Jesus and could have been foreigners like Paul.

For example, The Gospel of Luke raises an interesting question:
Which route did Jesus follow to Jerusalem?
The shorter route through Samaria 9:53 or another route through Jericho 18:35, both roads could not be traveled on the same trip.

The author of the Gospel of Luke was criticized for not knowing the geography of Israel (2)

The author of the Gospel of Mark also seems to lack first-hand knowledge of the geography of Palestine.
Randel Helms writes concerning Mark 11:1 (Who Wrote the Gospels?, p. 6):
"Anyone approaching Jerusalem from Jericho would come first to Bethany and then Bethphage, not the reverse. This is one of several passages showing that Mark knew little about Palestine; we must assume, Dennis Nineham argues, that
'Mark did not know the relative positions of these two villages on the Jericho road'
(1963, 294-295).
Indeed, Mark knew so little about the area that he described Jesus going from Tyrian territory
'by way of Sidon to the Sea of Galilee through the territory of the Ten Towns'
(Mark 7:31);
this is similar to saying that one goes from London to Paris by way of Edinburgh and Rome.
The simplist solution, says Nineham, is that 'the evangelist was not directly acquainted with Palestine' (40)."

>>19290924
Origins of the canon:
The four canonical gospels did not begin their lives as the gospels of "Matthew," "Mark," "Luke" and "John."
For example, most Christians believe that the names of the four gospels are taken from the original eyewitness disciples who followed Jesus.
However, this is not true, the names Matthew," "Mark," "Luke," and "John" are simply titles that were given by the early church to these anonymous documents that were written at a much later date.

The original Matthew," "Mark," "Luke," and "John" that were present at Jesus' time never wrote any of the gospels contained in today's New Testament.
Different groups of early Christians maintained their own oral traditions of Jesus' wisdom, since writing was a specialized skill and not every fellowship enjoyed the services of a scribe. When written accounts of Jesus' teachings began to circulate, the independent groups would supplement them with their own traditions about the savior, each believing their own versions to be "the Gospel."
Eventually, as these expanded writings spread through other communities, some versions were viewed as having more authority than others.
It was not until the pronouncement of Bishop Irenaeus (185 C.E.) (EXHIBIT A) that Christians began to accept only the four familiar gospels as authoritative, and to refer to them by their modern titles (3).
Consequently, there were earlier gospels, many being quite different from the four we know today.

The rest of the canon was much slower to develop.
For the next two centuries, the four gospels would be coupled with a myriad of different letters, epistles, stories and apocalypses, according to what a particular congregation judged as relevant to their understanding of Jesus Christ and his message.

Catholicism was only one of the dozens of "denominations" within the early church,
Gnosticism was prevalent throughout Egypt,
Montanism in Asia Minor (Turkey),
Marcionism in Syria (see glossary for explanations).

>>19290929
Eventually, the Catholic church was adopted as the state religion of the Roman Empire thanks to Constantine, and all other systems of belief were branded as heresies (3).

Constantine had one last problem to solve.

This was the ongoing debate concerning the divinity of Jesus.

This debate reached its climax at the Council of Nicea in 325 A.D.;
Athanasius argued that Jesus was God while Arius argued that he was not.
Athanasius eventually won the argument.
As a result of Athanasius' teachings (Athansian Creed) that became the law of the land after he defeated Arius at the first Ecumenical Council in 325 A.D. (Nicene Creed), the Church finally took a step closer in forming what we know today as the New Testament Canon.

For example, according to Athanasius' Canon 367 A.D. (EXHIBIT A) we can see that The Shephard of The Hermas and Didache were present although they are not considered scripture today.

Although factions of the Church continued to debate the merits of various books for centuries, and many even used other writings in their liturgy, most uncanonical writings were ordered to be destroyed.

In many cases, possession of heretical literature was punishable by death.

Much of this literature can still be viewed in the glossary of early Christian literature (3).

>>19285474
all religions are true.
monotheistic religion are set astrologically to represent decans of astrological ages
0-720 Christianity -scorpio
720-1440 Islam - cancer
1440-2160 free-masonry - pisces

>>19290936
Athanasius (297-373 A.D.)

Athanasius (Exhibit A) was the bishop of Alexandria and the champion of orthodoxy at the Nicene Council. Athanasius was ordained deacon in 319 by the Bishop of Alexandria. Athanasius was the rival of Arius at the Nicene Council in 325.
He asserts that the Members of the Trinity are three and yet at the same time one.
Father, Son and Holy Ghost are co-equals in eternity, neither one preceded the other;
One God, Christ sharing in the being of God.

St. Athanasius summed up the purpose of the incarnation by saying
"God became man that we might be made God" i.e. (Athansian Creed.)

The idea of the Trinity was current at the time among many of the bishops, and Athanasius had much support, more support in fact than Arius did, though Arius did have substantial support among the orthodox bishops of that time.
Arius, had been writing songs to spread his point of view that Jesus was just the Christ, the promised prophet of God, but not God.
Arius' point of view was current among many of the bishops while other bishops held to the Trinitarian view.
That some would not be trinitarian is understandable - the Jewish religion holds strongly to the One God idea and does not see the Messiah as a part of the Godhead.
The Council of Nicea found in favor of the Trinitarians.
The council voted by a large majority against Arius and for Athanasius but did not put an end to Arianism. From 325 to 381, many church councils debated the rejected doctrine. (EXHIBIT D).

After the council (328) Alexander died and Athanasius succeeded him as Bishop, although not yet thirty. After becoming Bishop he became the great leader of the orthodox cause, the most formidable adversary of the enemies of the Nicaen decision.

In 337 Constantine died, and his empire was divided by his three sons, Constantine II, Constantius and Constans.

Eusebius, an enemy of Athanasius, had won over the new emperor of the eastern part of the empire, Constantius.

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>>19290945
With the death of Constans in 350, his anti-Nicaea brother Constantius became sole ruler of the Empire and Arianism dominated again (Exhibit D). Athanasius suffered exile 5 times but held to his conviction that communion was not given to any heretic who did not hold the divinity of Christ.

Athansian Creed (320 A.D.)
SEE ATTACHED

The Nicene Creed (or Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed)

The Nicene Creed was written by the early Church and adopted (in a slightly different version) by the Church Council at Nicea in AD 325 and appears in its present form by the Council at Chalcedon in AD 451. It has remained in use since that time. The Nicene Creed appears to be a smaller version of Athanasius's Creed. After Athanasius won the Council at Nicae in 325 A.D. he was apparently able to promote his doctrine.


The Nicene Creed
SEE ATTACHED

>>19290961
THE BIG PROBLEM

The Old Testament never mentions the Trinity.
God all through the Old Testament is one. How did he suddenly become three in one?

The Trinity, in fact, was established by councils which convened in the fourth century more than three hundred years after Jesus.

Emperor Constantine wanted a religion that appealed to him personally, in 312 AD Constantine defeated his rival Maxentius at the battle of the Milvian bridge outside Rome.
The legend is, on the way to this battle, he saw a cross in the sky one afternoon with the words Hoc vince (by this conquer), and he adopted the cross as his standard.
A year later in 313 AD Constantine issued the Edict of Milan:
Christianity was given a legal status equal to paganism.
Later, Christianity became the state religion.

In 325 AD at the council of Nicea, Constantine the Great helped promote Jesus from the rank of a prophet to the rank of a god;
the Son is of the "same substance," homo-ousion, as the Father.

Constantine's council engineered the Trinity by promoting the Holy Spirit from an angel's rank to a god's rank.

Thus Jesus became God by a decree and the Holy Spirit became God by another decree.

The Trinity was a negotiated settlement.

It was the outcome of the dictated voting of councils under dictatorial threats of rulers (EXHIBIT D).

They made a compromise:
God is one to please monotheists and God is three to please polytheists (EXHIBIT D).

The final output was three in one to please no one and displease no one.
A religion by voting, A vague god:
ONE if you want him one, and Three if you want him three, and ONE IN THREE if you wish or THREE IN ONE if you prefer it this way.

The trinity is a later innovation of church councils and it has nothing to do with the actual teachings of Jesus (8)

>>19290941
>all religions are true
>set astrologically
i'm sorry but no. this is the opinion formulated by someone who clearly has no knowledge of any religion...

>>19290970
CONCLUSION

FOR MORE THAN THREE CENTURIES THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH HAD NO NEW TESTATMENT.
Not until the Muratorian Canon (350 A.D.) did the Christian church begin to compile a New Testament that resembles the one we have today. This canon did not include the letter to the Hebrews or those we know as James, 3 John, and 1 and 2 Peter (EXHIBIT A).
It did include the Wisdom of Solomon (now part of the Catholic Old Testament) and the Apocalypse of Peter (no longer used).

All earlier canons such as that of Irenaeus (180 AD) and Marcion (140 AD) at best only have the four gospels (EXHIBIT A), many of the other 23 books are missing.
In fact some of the earliest canons (Tatian 165 AD) (EXHIBIT A) reject the 10 Pauline letters;
I guess his logic was how could a man from East Turkey who never knew or met Jesus be qualified to write about him?

Moreover, the Canon of Papias (130 AD) (EXHIBIT A) only has the Gospel of Mark and the Gospel of the Hebrews.
The Gospel of the Hebrews is no longer part of the New Testament.

In fact, the very earliest canons such as the Nazarenes and Ebionites only have the Gospel of the Hebrews; moreover, the Nazarenes and Ebionites flat-out reject Paul (EXHIBIT A).

>>19290974
The fact to the matter is that the New Testament is an evolutionary text that evolved over hundreds of years as a result of numerous canons.
Moreover, the bible, as it appears today in English, has been, since 1600 AD changed and re-examined repeatedly. The King James version of the Bible, published in 1611, was eventually corrected again in 1952, and a new bible was prepared. The RSV means: Corrected and Re-examined version.
Still, after all corrections made up to 1952, this version of the bible was not altogether accepted. Thus, in 1971, an even newer, double-corrected Bible was introduced. It appears that there was a problem with an addition to ACTS in the original King James Bible of 1611; whatever the problem was, it was apparently removed in the subsequent versions.

It is obvious that both sons of Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac were both part of the Abrahamic covenant. The word of God cannot have errors. The word of God would not have unknown authors. The word of God could not be established throughout history by what members of certain councils decreed.

Finally, the Quran has no errors, miraculously agrees with science, and was recorded by one man during his lifetime.

The Quran is the only holy book that remained fully intact from the time of its revelation until today.

No additions deletions or subtractions found its way into the book; the Quran is the only authentic revelation still around.

The Quran is the direct words of God.

God should speak directly to his creatures rather than have hundreds of unknown authors and hundreds of councils to decide what his word should be.

Moreover, God would protect his final revelation to mankind from the butchering that we have seen the Bible undergo.

GOD HAD TO SEND ANOTHER PROPHET FROM ABRAHAM'S OTHER SON TO CLEAR UP THE HUGE MESS WE HAVE JUST WITNESSED (main article).

Therefore, Islam superseded Christianity.

>>19290978
Reference:

(1) Page 21 New Testament Story by David L. Barr Wadsworth Publishing Company 1987

(2) Page 212 New Testament Story by David L. Barr Wadsworth Publishing Company 1987

(3) Geoff Trowbridge

(4) W. Hartono

(5) Page 20 What Can We Know About Jesus? by Howard Clark Kee Cambridge University Press 1990

(6) The Gospels their origin and growth-by Frederick C. Grant -Harper & Brothers 1957

(7) The Formation Of The New Testament-by Robert M. Grant Harper & Row 1965

(8) The Truth About Jesus Christ-by Dr. Muhammad Ali Alkhuli Swaileh, Jordan

>>19287647
>KSBD

my brother of a dark pigmentation

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>this thread

its like watching a bunch of potatoes try and solve a rubix cube

How can god's son be your god? Then what is the role of god's son's father?

>>19291047
1 Say: He is Allah, who is One!
2 Allah, upon whom all depend!
3 He begets not, nor is He begotten.
4 And there is none comparable unto Him.

>>19291047
[19:31-35]
He (Jesus) said: “I am Allah’s servant. He has given me the Book and has made me a prophet.
He has made me blessed wherever I may be. He has enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive.
And [He has made me] kind to my mother and has not made me arrogant or wretched.
Peace is on me the day I was born, the day I shall die, and the day I shall be raised alive.”
Such was Jesus son of Mary: this is the statement of the truth which they (Christians) dispute.
Allah would never take offspring [to Himself]. Far exalted is He above this. When He decrees a matter, He says to it only “Be!” and it is.

[3:80]
And neither would he command you that you should take the angels and the prophets for lords. Would he command you to disbelieve after you have become Muslims?

[43:57-59,63-65]
And when the son of Mary was cited as an example, your people [O Muhammad!] turned away from him.
They said: “Are our gods better, or is he?” They raise this only by way of disputation; they are merely a contentious people.
He is only a servant on whom We bestowed favour and whom We made an example for the Children of Israel.
When Jesus came with clear proofs, he said: “I have come to you with Wisdom, and to make plain some of what you have disagreed on. So keep your duty to Allah, and obey me.
Allah is my Lord and your Lord. So worship Him. This is a straight way.”
But factions from among them differed. Woe to those who do wrong from the torment of a painful day.

>>19285474
Allah is based. I like how he talks. Also, inner Jihad is considered the greater cause. He knows that our biggest struggle would be against ourselves. Really intelligent man.

>>19291063
>>19291058
Surah 112 [112:1-4]
>>19291047

[5:17-18]
They have indeed disbelieved those who say: “Allah is the Messiah son of Mary.”
Say [O Muhammad!]: “Who then can do anything against Allah if He had willed to destroy the Messiah son of Mary, his mother, and everyone on earth?”
Allah’s is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them. He creates what He wills. Allah is able to do all things.
And the Jews and the Christians say: “We are the sons of Allah and His beloved ones.”
Say [O Muhammad!]: “Why does He then chastise you for your faults? No, you are human beings from among those whom He has created; He forgives whom He pleases and chastises whom He pleases.”
And Allah’s is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and what is between them, and to Him is the eventual coming.

[2:111-112]
And they [the People of the Book] say: “No one shall enter paradise except those who are Jews or Christians.” These are [merely] their desires.
Say [O Muhammad!]: “Produce your proof if you are truthful.”
Yes, whoever becomes a Muslim (surrenders himself) to Allah and is a doer of good, his reward is with his Lord, and there is no fear for them nor shall they grieve.

[2:62]
Those who believe, the Jews, the Christians, and the Sabaeans — whoever believe in Allah and the Last day and does good — they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.

>>19291071
[5:116-118]
And when Allah said: “O Jesus son of Mary! Did you say to people: ‘Take me and my mother for two gods besides Allah?’”
He said: “Glory be to You! I could never say what I have no right to say. If I have said it, then You know it. You know what is in my mind, but I do not know what is in Your mind. You know all unseen things.
I never said to them anything other than what You commanded me:
‘worship Allah, my and your Lord.’
I was a witness over them while I was among them, and when You took me You were the watcher over them. You are a witness over all things.
If You punish them, they are Your servants; and if You forgive them, You are the Invincible, the Wise.”

>The Bible led me to Islam
https://www.islamicity.org/11120/the-bible-led-me-to-islam/

>I Found in Islam what I was Searching for in Christianity
http://aboutislam.net/reading-islam/my-journey-to-islam/found-islam-searching-christianity/

>The Early Christians Who Believed Jesus Was Saved From Crucifixion
http://www.manyprophetsonemessage.com/2017/06/30/the-early-christians-who-believed-jesus-was-saved-from-crucifixion/

>How Deuteronomy Foretells the Coming of Muhammad (Peace be upon him)
http://www.manyprophetsonemessage.com/2017/03/31/how-deuteronomy-foretells-the-coming-of-muhammad-%EF%B7%BA/

>Is the Crucifixion of Jesus Really Foretold in the Old Testament?
http://www.manyprophetsonemessage.com/2016/07/10/is-the-crucifixion-of-jesus-really-foretold-in-the-old-testament/

>'Violence more common' in Bible than Quran, text analysis reveals
>The Old Testament was found to be more than twice as violent as the Quran
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/violence-more-common-in-bible-than-quran-text-analysis-reveals-a6863381.html

He makes me feel allah right.

>>19285474
Any feeling 'Allah' gives anyone, it's really a Divinity acting as a mediator and giving you the feeling that 'Allah' is the one communicating but really it's that Divinity. That is if you get any communication from 'Allah'

>>19285615
You're talking from your spirit, you think you're 'channeling God' but you're talking from your feelings.

>>19286030
Christ is not Jesus. Watch what you say lest you take the heat for it.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PNEdH0PxAw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtH4N2E08gM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GfdOjyLwGw

is it true that Muslims don't believe in the apocalypse? what the hell do you want to live in this corrupted world forever?

>>19291893
Who told you that? Muslims believe the world will end some day. But before that, Jesus will come down and destroy Masih al-Dajjal (The False Messiah/Antichrist)

>>19290129
I don't see what's so hard to interpret.
Anyone who comes from an atheist family that decides to become a Christian knows exactly what Christ meant by your own household becoming enemies. Jesus did not say to kill your enemies, but to forgive them. Even as they nailed Him to a cross He begged God for mercy to His killers "Father forgive them, they know not what they do."
Cursing the tree was a lesson to His disciples about how through faith all things are possible. So one of His followers could have easily gone back to the tree and said "In the name of God, return to life and bear great fruit." and it would be so.

>>19285725
You realize that book is just a human construct right?

im surprise to see muslims using 4chen lol
thats not your place

do u want to fuck me?

>>19285615
>Allah chooses those worthy to believe and this be saved.
...That's an odd, exclusionist way of going about it...

>>19285693
Idolater.

>>19292011
Holy shit, humans write books?

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>>19292053
There's nothing wrong with having a crush on someone.

You just can't let it get out of hand.

Our muslim community is pretty irreligious. We don't eat pork, we pray during holidays, we fast and if we don't we pay the price (give money to the poor), we also sacrifice a lamb every year which, I've noticed, is actually a lot like American Thanksgiving.
Other than that we don't really let our religion take our identity away. We drink, the females don't wear headscarves, we listen to music, so on. Gays are okay too most of the time. A lot of people dislike the idea of homosexuality, but they realize the gays must have equal rights like the rest of us.

Pretty mediocre answer, I know.

>>19291995
It's the psychology of control. Tell someone a fundamental truth and cite otherworldly power and you create a dependency. You improve their life and take their money while giving them a place to belong. And you make sure they come back once a week for a refresher on their brainwashing. People that have chosen a side won't allow themselves to see reason because in alot of cases people are too broken to survive reality so they shut themselves off from the world inside their head. It makes you feel good, it makes you feel like you're amazing and loved and you hold this truth deep down in your heart that gives you peace, and nobody else except for your people have it figured out the way you do. Your relationship to your God is stronger than what those people feel for Allah or horus or Thor or Yahweh or mythra or Hades or Pluto or Ra or any one of the MULTITUDE of religious beliefs we've created in a sad, transparent attempt to deny the fact that we will inevitably die and cease to be. It's disgusting that we all sit around and argue about who's imaginary friend is stronger or who's correct about this semantical bullshit when we're fucking killing each other over it. We kill each other en mass because of a misplaced fear of death. It would be hilarious if it weren't real life.

Educate yourself. Put down the fiction. Seek sources that disagree with you and genuinely give their point of view a try. You have to realize what you're wrong about before you can start being right.

>>19292073
What's funny is I used to be just like you when I was younger.
It's beautiful day God has given us today, I don't intend to waste it debating with anons.
Have a wonderful day, friend.

>>19292102
Trying to hard makes the b8 taste bad.

I have a hard time believing you were ever quite like me bud. Points for trying tho. ;)

>>19287225
>who could've known 1400 years ago that the planets were in an orbit?
The Greeks?

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>>19292069
>Gays are okay too most of the time

Homosexuals will burn in hell for their sins.

>>19290854
He literally ordered mass-executions of random people, not just memebers of enemy armies or even agressive locals, but random citizens of a land his people wanted.

That is unforgivable and can't be justified.

>>19291899
a fake muslim I assume, thanks for opening my eyes to the actual truth brother.

Islamic religion is the Antichrist

>>19292212
false

>>19287208

Fuck off, shill.

>>19292069
Tell me more about your community. Where do you live?

ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS ALL HAVE THE SAME FUCKIN GOD

MUSLIMS, CHRISTIANS, JEWS

>>19294216
Wrong we have the same prophets, jews and muslims worship the devil

>>19285474
I don't discriminate against Islam. I hate all the religions.

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>>19294287
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>>19294287
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>>19294287
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>>19294287
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>>19285615
your nose is showing

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>>19294287
And Elijah said unto the prophets of Baal, Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your gods, but put no fire under. 26And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, O Baal, hear us. But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they leaped upon the altar which was made. 27And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked. 28And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them. 29And it came to pass, when midday was past, and they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that there was neither voice, nor any to answer, nor any that regarded.

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>>19294287

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>>19294287
Muhammad was a white guy and he hated black people, called them "raisin heads".

>>19287196
kill yourself
(sage)

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I think I'm done owning islam. Nothing but paganism, baal worship.

>>19285474
Ass a llama lick 'em.

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obligatory
(sage because gtfo achmed)

why do christians hate their muslim brothers so much?

>>19294537
>funny hatred is so often mentioned in the same sentence with islam or muslim
>they are given the right to claim victimhood

kill yourself
(sage because pisslam)

>>19292069
That's cool anon, where do you live?

>>19294297
YOU'VE BEEN JESUS'D BOI

not X related

sage this pathetic hogwash

>>19294330
I mean, no disrespect to my black brothers, but that's kinda funny

>>19294554
I wasn't hostile to you why are you to me?

reminder that this is not a real religion it's a hateful ideology that leeches off and seeks to destroy civilization

never trust an arab never listen to a muslim

and of course sage because fuck off achmed

https://youtu.be/0M46FFbUiW0

>>19294625
you don't have to pretend you're an idiot it's not a mystery i fucking hate muslims and those who ever sides with them

don't forget to sage niggers
and if you see a muslim don't give them an inch of breathing space and never sympathize with them

>>19294595
Yes, reject God, mock His sacrifice on the cross, deceive millions of people, eventually judgement comes.

>>19285775
Just saw a video about english muslim communities persecuting ex-believers. They have to fucking change city and name, that shit is crazy

>>19285474
they are threatened with violence and death for leaving islam or refusing to accept it, looks to me as a clear trait of a destructive cult

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>>19285474
The Islam paradox:
If Catholicism is fake, then Islam is fake.
If Catholicism is really, then Islam is fake.

>>19287630
it also repeatedly says it's okay to fuck prepubescent children

islam is the religion of jew lovers. camel fucking semites the both of them.

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>>19294742
Catholicism is false.
Catholic church is of lucifer.
Catholic church established islam.

>>19294835
wow a maymay image proves vatican is evil

>>19294871
Catholic church goes against the bible, that's all you need to know about it. Images are extra. You dislike information? That's common for catholics, you would not be a catholic if you loved truth.

Jesus Christ is God.
Salvation is by faith alone.

Allah and Yahweh are archons/demiurges.

They are evil incarnate.

This is hilarious all this hate over multiple false prophets. Guess what? Jesus and Mohammed lied *gasp* but there's just no way man, neither fulfilled the messianic prophecies. God is one, not three. And prophets don't fuck children

Have any of you faggots realized that there hasnt been 1 post with a muslim sharing there opinion.

This thread is dildos

>>19287529
>Jews** are the root of all the natural problems that plague the world.
fixed that for you

>>19295413
Your average African warlord, your average shitty white business tycoon, your average Colombian drug lord. People across all nations are shit just look in the fuckin mirror

>>19294835
What about bees?

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well alot of people follow it because their senpai/origin does, plus its just a expectation where most of it is followed

>>19294330
I seriously wonder if any of those American Nation of Islam fags actually ever bothered to read an islamic holy text.
Their argument that christianity has been used to keep black people down becomes mute when the religion you are now following has a several descriptors allowing slavery and it's highest prophet had slaves himself.

Really, the only "their ancestors" were muslism was because they were previously enslaved and converted by muslisms.

>>19285615
This is fake. Islam holds converts in higher esteem than born believers.

Sufism is where it's at.

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>>19286014
The Muslims in my community throw poison and razor blade laced food into properties with dogs. One of my cousins dogs died of poisoning this way. Horrible.

Oh, and Muslims love their KFC. KFC is usually packed with them.

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>>19285474

>>19294771
Yeah, point is that their monstrous deity CHOOSES to make people not believe and then punishes them for not believing according to the Qur'an. 10/10, most just and merciful god.

>>19286122
>All of the Abrahamic religions are wrong, deliberate lies

This.

>pacify us

More like turn the Earth into an endless bloodbath.

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>>19298422
>More like turn the Earth into an endless bloodbath.
Earth is already that, but Jesus came to tell us the next life is the only one that actually matters.

>>19298315
Look at images of mary in catholicism. Same vagina symbolism.
Also, the only female in the quran mentioned by name is Mary.

Catholics created islam through lucifer and his fallen host of angels and demons.

>>19290881
Disgusteng

>>19285956
circumcision is unislamic
http://www.quranicpath.com/misconceptions/circumcision.html

>>19298228
This.

>>19287225
hindus have known about them for years mate, many conepts your mudslimes have borrowed from hinduism but your low intellect culture prevents you from the true understand so it amalgamtes into to the shit dictator ship style relgion you have today

>>19285474
So I can cut people's heads off. Simple

>>19287225
>All (the celestial bodies) swim along, each in its rounded course.
>Around the Earth.

>>19294304
Wow. You haven't heard about the Radical Christians who killed people of other religions?

Living now, in the 21st century?

Because they exist. Holy shit do they exist.

>>19301482
Are you mentally ill?
You do not look at people who claim to be X.
You look at what the teachings of said religion is to determine if it's good or not.

Wtf is wrong with you filthy brains on here