Occultism & Magick: The autists win edition

>>19236049
>[email protected]
Is this an email that only you have access to? Or is it an email for a group that answers inquiries on the occult (if you don't mind me asking)?

>>19236049
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/19229020/#19229020

Previous thread, deleted for no reason.

>>19236080
Cultus Sabbati groupwork project.

>>19236083
Never gonna let you down.

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>>19236080
Ape is done with this thread for a while, so that email is the only way to access him personally. I, along with some of the regulars hopefully, will keep the thread alive in the meantime.
>>19236093
>Cultus Sabbati groupwork project.
yes, that's what the email is technically for, please join if interested!

>>19236093
>Cultus Sabbati groupwork project
Brutal.

>>19236112
Nah, at this point there's too many people interested in the subject on this board to make it worth the effort. We just have to keep it "on topic" instead of just posting memes.

>>19236049
Can i hit you at the gmail if I want to talk vajrayana?

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New Shiva lingam and rahu murti

>>19236049
Also, I'd appreciate if you would please give Stephen my contact info if he gets in touch with you off 4chan

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>>19236130
I assume that email is open to anyone who wants to talk to ape, he may or may not respond
>>19236134
nice, do you have a pic of the symbol on the front of the Lingham?

>>19236107
I'll chip in on bumping whenever I can. What's a Cultus Sabbati groupwork project?

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>>19236146

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>>19236161
>What's a Cultus Sabbati groupwork project?
check out the Chumbley section of the Mega. It's a system of witchcraft and initiatory magick based on the work of Andrew Chumbley. It's not for everybody, but it would be cool to have more people working on it
>>19236168
that is a gorgeous piece of equipment, good work anon

>>19236107
I wonder if he's gonna keep updating the library, after everything it's been happening (MEGA taking days to show new files, brain damaged anons and the new janitor).

Will join in a year or so, if it's still going on... I'm still parsing through the basic stuff in witchcraft. CS does have its "charm" though, currently reading Children of Cain.
Good luck, lads.

>>19236160
I remember Palo was having some personal issues.
At least Fifty-o-sixty shows up every once in a while.

>>19236262
Weird. Bluefluke, the guy who drew the psychonaut's field manual, was on Reddit saying he'd had such a severe anxiety attack that he had to suspend his projects and John Michael Greer, the archdruid blogger, mentioned his wife's health in relation to his moving house.

It feels like there's a war on, but who's on the other side?

>>19236313
Things get heavy when you deal with the occult, even when there isn't an "enemy"

Consider that we are in Kali Yuga an age of Spiritual Night

>>19236313
It seems like occultists always suffer or lose in one way or another

>>19236324
That would be pretty retarded desu

Any books you guys would suggest for learning about goetic deities

>>19236364
Have you tried Lon Milo DuQuette - Aleister Crowley's Illustrated Goetia?

>>19236313
I don't feel it. Bad things happens to everyone, wether they dabble with the occult or not.

>>19236324
I don't think you were here or you are a regular at all. There were usually some people expressing their displeasure towards Ape or his interests (or his fanboys). Mild flamewars would happen, thread would move on.

Did you see what happened last thread? One lad was just asking about anthropology, the whole conversation was wiped. There was nothing oh-so-outrageous there, it was just an exchange of info.
It's been happening for almost two months. Always one or two lads suddenly turning the conversation into /meta/posting (those posts rarely were deleted, btw) and "off topic" posts being deleted. Which is weird as fuck, almost every thread on /x/ gets derailed, one way or another. Why focus only on this general?

Also, as far as I know, 4chan Janitors don't have control of 4plebs or yuki.la.

>>19236364
the /sum/ pastebin is honestly a pretty solid resource and I would recommend you start there, using some of the texts in the Mega as a primary source.
>>19236246
hey there are a few regulars who anonpost who actually know what the fuck they are talking about
>>19236277
It depends on what state/country you live in but I can still find it near me in head shops
>>19236401
>creating conspiracy theories about trips on a Mongolian Basket Weaving forum

Having lurked on this board for like seven years I can't help but notice that a lot of the noobs here ask questions about summoning primarily, presumably because it is the form of Wester Magick that is most visually interesting and is found in their animes. I've flirted with the idea of doing a live summoning of something on youtube or twitch for all the noobs who want to see how to do it properly, but this is only something I would do if there is a fair amount of interest in it. Also I swear to you it won't be near as cool as your animes because most of the "interesting" effects of summoning can't be captured via webcam, as anyone who as actually done it before knows.

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>>19236049

Remember your behavior today because I won't be deigning to remind you.

>>19236429

blah blah blah

I've probably been shitposting on 4chan since before you had pubes fyi.

>>19236469

Maybe if you're going to impartially observe textual conversations, you should learn to read well enough to actually follow them first.

Just a thought, non-autist.

>>19236472
You're the fucking retard who said
>I've probably been shitposting on 4chan since before you had pubes fyi.
Pure autism through and through. And then you accuse the other guy of dickwagging. Autistic hypocrisy. Feel free to stop posting anytime, chief.

>>19236434
>I've flirted with the idea of doing a live summoning of something on youtube or twitch
Please do, I'd love to see how it's done.

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A child in the dark, gripped with fear, comforts himself by singing under his breath. He walks and halts to his song. Lost, he takes shelter, or orients himself with a his little song as best he can. The song is like a rough sketch of a calming and stabilizing, calm and stable, center in the heart of chaos. Perhaps the child skips as he sings, hastens or slows his pace. But the song itself is already a skip: it jumps from chaos to the beginnings of order in chaos and is in danger of breaking apart at any moment.

>>19236495
the cancer has always been here, it's fucking 4chan. You just need to dig though the bullshit to find decent discussion, which is entirely possible if you put your mind to it
>>19236489
I honestly think it would be a pretty fun thing to do to energize the thread around an actual occult practice, but it would take a fair amount of work so I would only really do it if a reasonably sized number of people expressed interest.

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>>19236502

For sublime deeds like the foundation of a city, or the fabrication of a golem, one draws a circle, or better yet walks in a circle as in a children's dance, combining rhythmic vowels and consonants that correspond to the interior forces of creation as the differentiated parts of an organism. A mistake in speed, rhythm, or harmony would be catastrophic because it would bring back the forces of chaos, destroying both creator and creation.

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Do you guys have any cool photos of magickal diagrams that are spooky or useful for a magus?

I'm trying to fill out my relevant images folder.

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>>19236538
>A Thousand Plateaus

excellent book for anyone interested in Art or Design in particular

>>19236542
honestly it depends on what you're looking for

I have a question about Goetia.

What do you have to give in exchange for making a pact with a Goetia?

I heard that you can give up certain things or take an oath as long as it on the terms of the Goetia.

>inb4: Your eternal soul.

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>>19236443
>>19236459
I'm the person who replied to you before. Wasn't dickwagging or anything, no aggressiveness there. I just explained why your theory is wrong, pointing out what has happened.
Calm down.

>>19236277
>divinorum for a iniatiory working
And how was it? Even its effects don't last long, must've been interesting to use it in such context.

Like Shaula said, depends where you are.
Btw, don't fall for the "salvia divinorum seeds" trick out there. Divinorum doesn't produce seeds, it's pretty easy to propagate it by cutting a branch and planting.

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>>19236555

Actually I like that one a lot. Do you have any that get into the nitty gritty of chakric-kabbalic correspondences?

>>19236564
technically if you are doing it the classical way you don't *have* to offer anything. I usually offer food and wine just as a courtesy, depending on the nature of the individual entity.
>Your eternal soul
that's a lot cheaper than you think it is

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If you just get your mind to the right place and sprinkle some salvia leaves in with a bowl of your favorite sativa, you can vibe with a certain headspace change for quite a while.

I wouldn't know what that's useful for though.

>>19236509
>actual occult practice
By which you mean MP, Ruby, LBRP and then shitposting on /x/. Not really worthy of discussion desu senpai.

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>>19236585

I'm curious about two things:

1. Why do you assume that's what they mean.

2. Why does this seem so distasteful to you?

I'd like your perspective.

>>19236574
>Your eternal soul
>that's a lot cheaper than you think it is

What else could possibly have any more value than the soul?

>>19236594
The Soul is a tangible thing that you can learn to feel, see and strengthen as you would strengthen your body. As you do so, your life improves and you can better manifest your desires.

I feel as though the typical /omg/ routine of LARPy poetry and roleplay does very little in the way of achieving these things. Even semi-bullshitty new-age books are more useful imo.

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>>19236568
>nitty gritty of chakric-kabbalic correspondences?
honestly no, that's an extremely complicated subject with a lot of misinformation attached to it. I recommend starting with Liber 777 or Liber ABA on that specific matter and then working your way out from there.
>>19236582
>I wouldn't know what that's useful for though.
who cares. just do it if it feels right
>>19236595
>Implying millions of people havent offered their "souls" to every individual entity in the goetia at some point in time.
>implying Atman is real and not part of Maya

>>19236609

That's an interesting perspective, and I have to say, I'm somewhat persuaded already.

>>19236614
>The Atman being apart of Maya

The Atman transcends all physical existence how can it possibly be apart of Maya?

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>>19236614

>>19236624

The illusion can go beyond the house that you're in, currently, Pumpkin. Even out to the front/back yard and beyond!

Yeah, I gotta say it seems to me like the atman is distinct from maya purely as a matter of definition.

>>19236643
What good are you when your soul is taken.

Isn't the soul the essences of your being?

What else remains?

>>19236628

Well I didn't expect that.

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>>19236624
Perception is a part of Maya therefore perception of Atman is illusory, you dig?
>>19236628
While this illustration is amazing for its' time I would honestly take it with a grain of salt. If anyone can find a way that it contradicts a text in the Mega ill give them a special prize. >>19236624
>>19236648
>The Hindu Buddhist split reiterates itself again.

you are welcome to disagree but I personally believe that the "center" of being is Void, more akin to a galaxy than a solar system. But hey, you are all welcome to find your own working model.

r a r e texts coming through:

Intro to Daoist Alchemy, by Voidisyingyang
https://www.pdf-archive.com/2017/04/10/idiot-s-guide-to-taoist-alchemy/

Operating Manual to Loveshack OS, by Shawn T. Cook:
https://www.pdf-archive.com/2017/07/03/loveshack-os/

The Alchemy of Rainbow Heart Music: How Paranormal Sonofusion Subverts the Matrix Conspiracy, by Drew Hempel:
http://www.lulu.com/shop/drew-hempel/the-alchemy-of-rainbow-heart-music-how-paranormal-sonofusion-subverts-the-matrix-conspiracy/ebook/product-17381344.html

>>19236669
I guess so...

Still doesn't answer my question.

Is messing with goetia really worth it? I mean if Im going to die then whats the point of giving up my chance for better life in exchange for this life?

>>19236658

Soul's an illusion -- puppets on strings dancing under the control of puppets on strings dancing under the control of puppets on strings stretching on to infinity, no beginning and no end.

>There is no spoon

>>19236682

No, no parlour tricks or shiny temporal distractions are "worth it". Dedicate yourself to The Work and gtfo this existence -- Go build your own, but with blackjack. And hookers.

>>19236695

(not the same anon)

I do see your point, though respectfully you still have to distinguish between puppet and the string there.

>>19236695

Isn't The Work a selfless act more than a selfish one?

Wouldn't It be defeating the purpose if I tried to build my own existence?

>>19236710

Like all the occult forums on the internet, this place is infested with Saturnians who deliver half-truths.

>>19236679
nice
>>19236710
>Isn't The Work a selfless act more than a selfish one?
that entirely depends on an individual and what what want to do/undo
>>19236716
This is hilarious but true
>the nature of Saturn only allows half truths

>>19236049
I want to tattoo sigils on my body of demons and power what's the worst that could happen

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>>19236721

If only Saturnians were more up-front about that, I probably wouldn't be out there praising KEK so hard.

>>19236624
Self is an illusion, regardless of what 'self' you observe

We have nothingness and nothing else

>>19236609
True that, I really dont get all the hate for new age stuff. The best book I have is that samuel sagan book.

Okay, a friend of mine asked me if I knew about a legit book about necromancy (the traditional kind, speaking to the dead). Is there any in the library so I can link him to it? If not, where can I find something like that

>>19236729
You get a really bad tattoo?

>>19236049
sometimes before i go to bed, i slip into a state where it feels like i'm in a different place, and even just generally thinking about something gives me visions of that thing, like for example if i think about what i need to move forward in my life, i will start seeing things in my mind eye related to that topic. Is this the crossroads/trance/gnostic state? When i'm done with it and i come back, it feels like i've returned from a different place and it takes some seconds to adjust to reality again.

>>19236710
How can any work or act not be selfish when it all relates back to the self?

>>19237553
>Is this the crossroads
In a sense, that mindset is a good spot to be in for Magick and Mystical work and can be a starting point for more complex trance state. Try playing around with it

>tfw everyone around you is as damned as you

how to liberate them and myself?

>lel nobody is damned
sure bro

what's the best love spell that actually works?

>>19237893
the trichloromethane invocation

>>19237901
cant find it
wann help me out?

>>19236756
>Saturnians
>>19236716
>Saturnians
Report spammer? Or just an opportunist?

>>19236585

I'd agree with your first clause here >>19236609 . I'd also agree with Crowley and Gurdjieff that it needs attracted. It *AIN'T* my fault people don't talk about the HGA here, I'm not the designated board handholder. Even if they did, A.'. may tell me that Christ is the Devil, while A.'. may tell you that the Devil is Christ.

>>19236324
>I strongly suspect that Ape *is* the new janitor.
Which is why I've been sitting out bans?

>>19236313
>there's a war on
There is. This feels like the exact same conditions before the last two major lineage slapfights around the publication of Gunther's books. I kid about the Eternal Guntherite; don't think he's explicitly ITT.

>>19236107
>Ape is done with this thread for a while
I'm done *making OPs and trying manage discussion* for a while, is more like it. Y'all act like I've not taken shitloads of multiple month breaks.
*
Sending out the file with centralized art explications, etc., for CS to querents in a bit. I'll be making a distro switch today and need to get started with 40 days and nights of the Tesseract.

>>19237906
oh, for fucks sake, i'm not gonna spoonfeed you, you fucking babby

>>19237516
"Forbidden Rites" in grimoires has fragments of a German necromantic text.

>>19237931
Wow, I can't believe that I sent him that one beforehand. Memory isn't what it used to be. Thanks, Ape.

>>19237908
> It *AIN'T* my fault people don't talk about the HGA here
I prefer the term "Body of Light" or "Augoeides" because it implies something you create for yourself and attach to the body, which I think leads to less confusion.

>there's a war on
Occult drama is the most disenchanting aspect of being an occultist imo, it's usually not even epic or exciting like you think it would be based on fictional depictions of Magick.

>40 days and nights of the Tesseract

!!!!

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>>19237977
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8F7LtzeQEE

>>19237983
You and your damn music. I've never heard that song before. Thanks Ape.

https://youtu.be/-w8GI4deLqs

>>19236313
>It feels like there's a war on, but who's on the other side?

Well, there is a war on. The other side are those who gain advantage from keeping people bound and stupid. It's nothing new.

>>19237908
>40 days and nights of the Tesseract.
Lol publish your record for that please. I'd love to see how that goes. I just kicked you an email.

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So some Naziboo on plebbit is claiming that the Hitler salute is a Yoga position meant to strengthen the Manipura chakra, which I feel like is total bullshit but I'm curious if anyone has info on that, particularly from Vedic sources?

Additionally what positions/mudras/mantras actually would strengthen the Manipuri chakra?

>>19237908
>*AIN'T* my fault people don't talk about the HGA here, I'm not the designated board handholder.

I'd be happy to talk about how HGA/Aor/Augoeides is an illusion. A useful illusion, but still an illusion.

>>19238177
>Hitler salute is a Yoga position meant to strengthen the Manipura chakra
sounds like a bunch of bullshit.
>strengthen the Manipuri chakra
i dunno, read some chakra stuff. serpent power, etc. there's probably something in there.

>>19236049
Wow apparently a lot went down while I was away. Anyone know the minimum requirements to join this CS workgroup?

>>19238421
If you need to ask, then you're not ready.

>>19237908
Is the tesseract related to the "sword of God with 16 edges" RE: manipulating a 5 dimensional hypercube via a 4 dimensional cube? That's kinda how it seems to me according to the Sefer Yetzirah.

>>19236669
Oh no, you're not gonna offer a PhD and get TB all riled up again, are ya?

>>19236618
The funny thing is, a lot of people say things like "Muh LARPy poetry" (usually "Victorian poetry," depending on what specifically they are butthurt about) without even stopping to think for a moment what exactly the value of words actually is, where the term "spell" originates, how invocations/rituals in general function, etc. Then again, these aforementioned folks very rarely think before speaking/typing as a rule, anyway.

>>19238431
Cool. That makes you sound mysterious and cool. Must feel nice to be part ov a sooper sekrit group that's so sekrit you can't even tell anyone whether or not they have to already have initiated into the CS system in order to be a part of it!

>>19238269
Wouldn't hat just lead to the infinite discussion of how EVERYTHING is an illusion?

>>19238466
It WOULD feel super nice if i were in any way interested in cultus sabbati, which im not. ive read some of chumb's works (bits and pieces) and yeah, what i said still stands. it's like when you go to buy a luxury item or car: if you have to ask how much it is, you cant afford it. CS isn't entry level shit.

>>19238473
>CS isn't entry level shit.
How illuminating and thoughtful. You know, it is possible to be working CS rites without necessarily having initiated into the system, as it is with most rites? It's even possible to be in the "ritual supplies prep stage" and waiting for the right opportunity for initiation, trying to get in contact with people who are more familiar with the system. But nahh, clearly I'm just some random ass-poster on 4chan who you have all figured out

>>19238486
>You know, it is possible to be working CS rites without necessarily having initiated into the system
never said you have to be initiated. grats on reading too much into what i said.
> trying to get in contact with people who are more familiar with the system.
if that were the case you would have written ape an email instead of posting a stupid question like you did originally
>But nahh, clearly I'm just some random ass-poster on 4chan
yeah you are. dont delude yourself into thinking youre anything other than some random anonymous faggot like the rest of the people here. you're egotistical enough to potentially be a perfect fit for the cultus sabbati system, so why dont you write an email instead of arguing like a buttmad autist?

If anyone in this thread has not read Rabbi Kaplan, it is my sincere recommendation that you do. Abso-fucking-lutely brilliant, illuminated, learned. Truly, a gentleman and a scholar.

>>19238508
>never said you have to be initiated. grats on reading too much into what i said.

No, but if you had even an ounce of reading comprehension, you would realize that was a reference to my very first post, RE: necessary pre-requisites. It certainly didn't seem worth bothering Ape when a bunch of people who come to this thread all the time are the ones comprising the group. And yet the only person who answers is some half-wit assposter who thinks he's in /div/ with literally nothing to contribute. With these odds, I'm going to by a lottery ticket!

>>19238525
id hate to keep this circular discussion going but it seems youre the one with the reading comprehension problems. you asked what the prereqs are. i said that if you have to ask, youre not ready. why would you not be ready? because if you read chumb, youd already know what you need to do to prepare yourself for the ordeal of practicing CS. ergo, you wouldnt have posted the "what are the prereqs" question, because youd know the answer. because you dont know the answer, it means youre not ready, OR youre ready but too timid to just pull the trigger.

>>19238538
The question was pre-requisites for joining the work-group, actually, which is clearly stated in my very first (1st) post. Of course you're just an assposter who is undoubtedly trying to derail the thread, but

if someone from the CS workgroup sees this, please let me know the preferred pre-reqs as there is no such huge rush on my part as to necessitate emailing Ape personally. Thanks.

>>19238544
magus syndrome. i know too many people that match the description you give. theyre really insufferable. they get attracted to systems that inflate their egos even more. in the end theyre useless cunts and their existence does not matter.

>>19238551
stop wasting time and just write an email, fagtron.

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>>19238177

It's used in Armanen rune yoga (see the 3 o'clock position). I doubt that's the reason the Nazis adopted it as their salute though. He's probably making the connection with manipura because it's also the earth sign in qabalistic magic(k).

>>19238707
>Armanen rune yoga
What in the name of fuck?

>>19238707
>the earth sign in Qabalistic magic(k)
Wat?

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>>19236669
>you dig?

I dig, maaannn. Far fuckin' out.

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>>19238714
>>19238724

Go be a fucking idiot somewhere else.

>>19238742
>google Armanen rune yoga
>find nothing but blogs about doing postures in the shape of runes
>"I doubt that's the reason the Nazis adopted it as their salute though"
yeah thats probably cause some wiccan faggot made this shit up in like 1980 while high on dude weed lmao
>and then this guy has the gall to call me a fucking idiot
any faggot can append the word yoga after anything else and make it sound legit. how bout you practice some fuck-off yoga and maybe some suicide yoga too
>preferably in the shape of a rune

>>19238742
>he thinks the sign of Set looks the same as the Nazi salute.

That guy's right arm should really be more upright. Also, do you have *any* clue what he's doing with his left arm?

>>19238766
Believe it or not, there are actually people in this world who have a healthy enough sex life that their minds aren't permanently occupied by thoughts of hentai and tugging their dicks. Hard to imagine, probably.

>>19238754
>thats probably cause some wiccan faggot made this shit up in like 1980

You've already proven you're an ignorant moron. You don't need to keep reaffirming it, we're convinced.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guido_von_List

>find nothing but blogs about doing postures in the shape of runes

And just what exactly did you think something called "rune yoga" would consist of?

>>19238775

Not that anon, but ...
>some Wiccan faggot
>Oh a Wotanist? nevermind that *totally* changes everything

>>19238775
im convinced that youre easily trolled as much as im convinced that i dont give a shit about your meme of a "yoga".
also:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guido_von_List
>ctrl+f yoga
>zero hits
>i see theosophical society
instantly dropped.

https://youtu.be/5oCR-BCh-g8
Never hear of this before, thoughts? (turn on english subtitles)

>>19236313
>Bluefluke, the guy who drew the psychonaut's field manual, was on Reddit saying he'd had such a severe anxiety attack that he had to suspend his projects and John Michael Greer, the archdruid blogger, mentioned his wife's health in relation to his moving house.


And this is one of the reasons why silence and stfu is a all time rule.

Popping in for a quick reminder that one guy sits in this thread reporting EVERYTHING that mildly upsets him, meanwhile the following threads are filled to the brim with utter absolute fuckposting;

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>>19238284
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>>19236890
>>19235035
>>19235641

Which is a component of why I don't have much desire to manage these threads at this point.

It's biased, it's targeted, it's specifically to undermine the coherence of these threads.

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>>19239262

>>19239482
What would you like to talk about Anon?

Vedantic philosophy makes me want to kill myself. Is this bullshit really necessary to do yoga?

please point me in the direction of everything and anything to do with the 4 elements and theories on their manipulations


For example, theories on how would someone with a water affinity push into learning to control the abilities better or what they can even do to begin with.

>>19239512

Yes. Understand the thought behind the actions or you're just ignorantly aping something because someone else told you to do it. Thinking and understanding is very important, not just blindly doing.

>>19239512
No it's not. But you should probably kill yourself anyway. What is it about vedantic philosophy that doesn't vibe with you?

>>19239531
It makes life seem pointless. If everything is unmanifested consciousness and the perception of my entire existence is just a result of maya, then why live?

>>19239531
>vedantic philosophy
LaughingAgamicPandits.png

>>19239530
>understanding is very important, not just blindly doing.

The Book of Lies, Ch 21

>THE BLIND WEBSTER

It is not necessary to understand; it is enough to adore.
The god may be of clay: adore him; he becomes GOD.
We ignore what created us; we adore what we create.
Let us create nothing but GOD!
That which causes us to create is our true father and
mother; we create in our own image, which is theirs.
Let us create therefore without fear; for we can
create nothing that is not GOD.

>>19239544
how is it unmanisfested consciousness when everything that you see is manifested from consciousness? if the perception of your entire existence is a result of maya, then what can you do other than to pierce through maya and see things as they truly are? maya is deeply symbolic. everything you perceive is maya because all of your senses react to external stimuli, and are thus controlled by them. the mind is the same, it reacts to external stimuli (but also internal stimuli, which are created from the external stimuli), and is thus clouded by maya. this is why yoga is important. you cut off the external stimuli through pratyahara, you concentrate the mind to bring it to stillness through dharana, you start piercing into the nature of reality through dhyana, and you eventually attain samadhi when you intuitively comprehend the actual nature of existence. how does any of this make life pointless?

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>>19239544
>my entire existence is just a result of maya, then why live?
Get good with Maya.

Maya is the glue, the substrate, which makes all higher tattvas function. Shiva wove the Universe from the very fabric of Maya.

Stop being a fearful priest and start being a Vira sorcerer.
*
Reformatting HD presently. Have some light bathroom reading:

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0168%3Abook%3D7%3Apage%3D533
https://modernmythology.net/socratess-daemon-and-ancient-oracles-c5c080641ae5

>>19238105
They're just static. The real opposition are hilarious

>>19239572
>see how things truly are
Why even bother? It's all too fucking depressing. I want to gouge my eyes so to speak instead.

This shit is the real blackpill.

>>19238511
Rabbi anything is a no thanks.
Juden anywhere no thanks.

>>19239578
One last thing before I git srs about a distro switch:

>I have VERY reliable information about the current state of the Order; payment of dues is at it's lowest point since the last purge of OTO membership circa TAG's exodus and publication of the real OTO membership/revenue. The Order has probably been operating over functional body capacity for budget for three to five years now.

>>19239605
youre right, why even bother? it's way easier to give up like a weak cuck pussy bitch, no? why wake up in the morning to go to work when you could just stay in bed all day? weakness is not a virtue, it is a fault. youre more than welcome to not correct the fault. youre totally free to either go beyond your own weakness and to reach the height of glory, or to either just end it all now. the universe doesnt give a fuck about you...therein lies the beauty of it. you can literally do anything you want with enough right effort and right understanding. or you could be a weak cuck. your choice, broski.

>>19239270
They always do brother

>>19239605
>>19239635
dont actually kill yourself though. lets talk about this. why is it depressing to know that you are conditioned by maya? you are a glorified monkey with self-awareness. you are a biological machine that is subject to external and internal conditions. this isnt a bad thing. this is something to be seen, known, understood, and superceded. your animalism should be transcended so that you can become fully human. what personal philosophy were you following before that made you so depressed now that youve read a bit about vedanta?

>>19239512

No.

>>19239621

Jeebus!

And their assets are laughable.

>>19239643
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if everything is undivided consciousness and only appears separate because of Maya, then wouldn't the piercing of Maya bring about the death of individual existence?

Why is that desirable?

>>19239621
>distro switch
which distro? Just curious

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>>19239693
GhostBSD obv

>>19240741
>implying not Temple OS
http://www.templeos.org/

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>>19240454
>I wish I were at home scrying the aethyr
>The chanting is too loud
>My feet hurt

>>19240752
>http://www.templeos.org/
Only something created by a mad genius would have a form of biblical divination hard coded into the OS

>>19240768
((Me and some autismus maximus friends have considered making SanghaOS))

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Does anyone here read Bugsport?

Been the Scottish Rite Journal's in house comic for about eight years now. It's about aliens and bigfoot ;)

https://scottishrite.org/about/media-publications/bugsport/

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>>19240767
kek
>>19240773
>SanghaOS
>featuring prayer wheels cycling though memory passively at all times

we have scarcely seen the beginning of the age of the techno-shaman
>>19240822
ill check it out, it looks cheeky

>>19236679
Oh shit, moar?

I live in Sicily and the only Lodge we have here is the OTO one, should I try to reach them considering I cant progress on my own? Should I even trust a lodge that uses a fucking hotmail account as a mean of communication?

bumperino

>>19239684
>Why is that desirable?

Try it and report back.

>>19236049
Is anyone here a programmer and a practicing magician / occultist?

Share any experiences when one affected the other.

For example, I find it helpful to think about occult experiences and concepts in terms of code design patterns. This chaos magick type of approach really helps understanding all this.

On the other hand, in practice, if anything feels out of place or I think I did something wrong in a ritual, I feel the cosmic interpreter / compiler will raise an error. This breaks the mood for me. I guess I sometimes see the underlying principles of the universe as too rigid, and so I expect magic to be formal and well structured.

So I guess I'm asking for examples when your professional deformation (or rather autism) influenced your magic practice or cosmology in a significant way?

Is anyone here familiar with any active apocalyptic cults or movements among spirits dedicated to omnicide? I had a weird experience, let's say.

>>19239684
sorry my internet went down so i couldnt come back to continue my point. piercing maya will not bring about your death. you come back to your body after union with the godhead. youll experience such a cosmic love, knowledge, action, joy, etc, that when you come back you'll be a completely changed person. yes, the ego will more than likely be eradicated, but the ego as you currently know it has no objective existence anyway. it just interferes with knowing the supreme, and getting rid of it doesnt mean that your individual existence dies. it means that you will be purified and more lucid than ever before. if all that doesnt sound like a worthwhile aspiration then youre more than welcome to put down the yogic/vedantic/hindu texts and go back to being a shortsighted normie that clings onto nonexistent things like the ego and other impermanent things.

>>19236679
I wouldn't happen to have a copy of Loveshack OS you could upload, would you? The guy's website is down, and I haven't had much luck finding it elsewhere. And, It appears to have been replaced by Conehead OS, and judging from the old /g/ threads I've been able to dig up, it doesn't appear to be as interesting.

>>19242553
>I wouldn't

I meant you, sorry
>>19239684

>>19239262
The most ridiculous thing I see here is that there were actually a couple funposts that got deleted this time rather than actual conversation. Though it's certain huge chunks of conversation were also deleted. Like, I couldn't give a fuck if the janis deleted every asspost, or even started banning people for doing it in this thread...but the shit that's actually on topic getting deleted REALLY has to stop. Of course, presumably it's the numbnuts Hubbard poster who said "more than one of him" were going to start shitposting here. Schizophrenia?

>>19239560
>It is not necessary to understand; it is enough to adore
Big fan of this book, but people seem to abuse the SHIT out of this line.

>>19241496
What makes you think you can't progress on your own? Hell the last thread was (cheekily but still sincerely) about Seizing the Means of Initiation.

>>19242962
That whole paragraph is dildos. The egotistical pricks that are the general audience of Crowley's writings are going to misuse that makeshift-bhakti in such a shitty way.

>>19243094
In the entire context in which that page lies, I'm gonna have to disagree with you. And it's important to consider that "What is true for the Zelator may be false for the Neophyte," and it's implications on all the grades, then consider where Crowley was in his spiritual progress at this time, and understand that he probably didn't publish this book for plebs, despite that being mostly who reads it, these days.

>>19243108
>he probably didn't publish this book for plebs
He published it for Thele-meme-ites, so yeah, he did publish it for plebs

>>19243131
Oh? Didn't know he restricted its release to a specific audience and kept it out of the hands of everyone else. Learn something new every day!

>>19243140
Why would there be a restriction? It's the same concept as MLP. Target audience is little girls, but it falls into the hands of 20some year old NEETs.

>>19239528
Can anyone help me with this, I dont even know where to begin

>>19243176
Empedocles, Aristotle... Liber ABA probably has something too.

>>19243189
Thank you.

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>>19243176

Suggested Reading List (In order):

Tao Te Ching
Zhuangzi
Lieh Tzu
Xing Yi Nei Gong
Falun Gong
Gurdjieff's 48 Exercises
Psychic Self Defense
The Doctrine of Awakening
Visual Magick
Kali Kaula
Practical Taoism
Secret Teachings of All Ages
Introduction to Magic
Revolt Against the Modern World
Ride the Tiger
A New Model of the Universe
Prometheus Rising
Low Magick
Corpus Hermeticum
Emerald Tablets of Thoth
Beelzebub's Tales To His Grandson
The Fourth Way
Nag Hammadi
Astral Dynamics
Burst of Breath
Euclid's Window
Chicken Qabalah
Awakening Ground
Sefer Yetzirah
One Year Manual
All Thelemic Grade A Materials
All Thelemic Grade B Materials
Book 4 Part 1 - Mysticism
Book 4 Part 2 - Magick
Book 4 Part 3 - Magick in Theory and Practice
Book 4 Part 4 - The Law
The Complete Golden Dawn System of Magic
Three Books of Occult Philosophy
The Psychick Bible
Liber Null
Condensed Chaos
Book of Lies
Book of Thoth
78 Degrees of Wisdom
The Way of the Crucible
Real Alchemy
Prime Chaos
Liber Kaos
Book of Abramelin (Dehn/Guth version *NOT* Mathers version)

>>19243208
Sure. Can you clarify what exactly you are looking for, please?

>>19243176
Don't waste your time with elemental bullshit. Has nothing to do with real magic

>>19243216
>Gurdjieff
>Evola
please dont

>>19243224
Lel. What do you think is "real" magic?

>>19243230
Real magick is simply will enhanced through a symbolic or ritual context. All of the cryptic nonsense is an unnecessary diversion. Do you want to cause real change or memorize useless and irrelevant knowledge?

>>19243261
Even in traditions where such exist as tattva they play no major role in the execution of sadhana.

>>19243260
Not so bad, yourself! But really, the psych model is great for skeptics trying to get into magic, or various people, but you should really expand a bit. To me, if someone has been practicing for a long time and still subscribe exclusively to the psych model, they are doing something very, very wrong.

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>>19243279
Wrong.

>>19243291
See>>19243279

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>>19243224
if you dont actually know how to do it, you shouldn't be acting like you know what does and doesn't

>>19243294
Then you don't understand tatvas or sadhana. Nothing more to be said.

>>19243293
Sure the material body is composed of the five elements and mind, intelligence and false ego but this is really the extent of such knowledge. Jiva tattva, maya tattva, para tattva etc are far more important and essential.

>>19243279
well, in buddhism, for example, there are various meditation subjects that help to pierce into the nature of each of the four elements, which in turn help take you through various meditation states. Understanding the four elements is important as fuck in both buddhism, yoga, and stuff like shaivism.

>>19243307
>>19239578

>>19243218
more than could be said

>>19243314
Again, I am not saying these principles of reality do not exist, I am minimizing their importance in regards to practical spiritual work.

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>>19243307
Nice backpedal.

>>19243224
This:>>19243301
Really needs to be taken into consideration.

>>19243315
Well, Empedocles pretty much originated the idea, or first put it in writing, IIRC. Aristotle added the 5th element of Spirit.... You're just trying to get a basic rundown? the Corpus Hermeticum probably also has some cool stuff.

>>19243328
i understand the basic system, more so looking on texts on manipulations and working with them, if such things even exist.

>>19243322
Just because something is real doesn't mean it is worthy of contemplation. But by all means, continue to waste your time instead of pursuing authentic bhajan

>>19243341
The Lesser and Greater Rites of the Pentagram, as well as the Star Ruby, deal with this. the Middle Pillar Ritual deals with this. The Bornless One deals with this. Thelemapedia and Hermetic.com are good places to find these ritual scripts and probably analyses of them

>>19243347
>>19243323
>>19243312
>>19239578
Care to address any of these?

>>19243354
may loving eyes be over you

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>>19243347
>bhajan
Fuck off, Vaishnav.

Parameśvara is pic related and there's nothing you can do about it.

>>19243358
Yes, these are actual tattvas that exist within shaivism and other traditions which I never denied. The basis of my argument was whether or not they have any serious role in the practical execution of spirituality. Very indicative of kali yuga to have such misconceptions about spiritual life.

>>19243384
>it's kali yuga, buys
>therefore lets ignore important spiritual concepts
dont you have a mahamantra to recite a trillion times? stop wasting time here and go recite.

>>19243384
And your assertion is absolutely refuted in these posts, either directly or indirectly. you seriously think a tatwa from which the universe was woven has no "serious role in the practical execution of spirituality"? And that the tatwas which use that as their 'fuel' so to speak, also have no practical application?

Anyway, the big question here is, how much time did you spend learning and working with elemental magic before you decided it had no practical spiritual application?

>>19243408
Basing this on my actual experience in a legitimate sampradaya rather than some internet occultist with a weak grasp on spirituality.

>how much time did you spend learning and working with elemental magic before you decided it had no practical spiritual application?

Basing this entirely from my study of vedic siddhanta.

>>19243428
>my experience in legitimate tradition
>NOT from internet armchairs!
>from my study of one particular school
>and my use of fancy looking words

So, what specific practices with elemental magic were you utilizing that you didn't find spiritually useful?

>>19243428
>legitimate sampradaya
Like?

>>19243442
Moreover, what Pujas did he practice that didn't have elemental establishment as the fundamental base of the rite?

>>19243442
You don't need to practice something to know it is spiritually irrelevant.
>>19243443
Bramha madhva sampradaya.

>>19243458
My guess is none. the way anon is utilizing certain words makes it looks like he got them from google or the JoS website. Probably is the dreaded armchair he so despises.

>>19243460
>You don't need to practice something to know it is spiritually irrelevant.
Of course! The scientific method clearly states to form a conclusion without ever testing your hypothesis!. What was I thinking!?

>>19243460
>Vaishnav
>Fuck
>Off

>>19242796

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFIr9kfYI3M

>>19243469
So you're telling me you've personally tried every religion and spiritual tradition before coming to a conclusion?

>>19243480
No, I'm telling you I haven't come to a conclusion.

>>19243493
Even on many of the things I have tried and found successful, I can only conclude that they were successful for ME. But by comparing notes, we can get a better idea of what works for whom. I certainly wouldn't go around asserting that a certain thing that worked for me is the end-all be-all, just because it worked for *me,* nor would I go around telling everyone else to avoid something just because it didn't work for *me.* Especially if that something was a well-known ancient system of magic, that seems to have been working fine for everyone *but* me. In that case, it would occur ti me that the *system* wasn't the issue, but rather the *operator.*

Anyone know where to get Florida Water other than internet? None of my local grocery or drug stores seem to even know what it is.

In the last thread there was a question RE: The odds of success of an unaffiliated Thelemic coven in Upstate NY. Anyone have any insight on this? The post appears to have been deleted.

Hey look, the JoS phag (or whomever the bleeding hell keeps doing it) reported more posts! Is it possible that it's just a buttmad jani? Or does someone have to be actually reporting the posts?

On another note, anyone here have experience with the Markava?

>>19243558
Have nothing to do with Joy of Satan. Why do you keep saying that?

>>19243560
Why exactly do you keep reporting posts? Because they make you look bad or foolish? Because you're offended and think a safe space is like an aura that should follow you everywhere? Literally WHY?

>>19243564
I haven't reported shit.

>>19243568
Well that's funny, because my post was addressed to the person deleting posts, was not in response to any other post, and you're the only one who answered!

>>19243575
You replied directly to my post you cunt.

>>19243542

Best to just make your own, as you can fine tune it to suit your individual needs. It is really, really simple to make. Basically just cooking down vodka and aromatics.

>>19243575
He's just asspained because someone pointed out his Krsnite bullshit is just esoteric hitlerism with a brown guru:

>>19242871
>>19243524
>>19243533
>>19243540

>>19243579
Please show me how you got that out of it. Either you're incredubly new here and have no idea how 'replies' work, or you're baiting. But for some reason, the only one for whom my post is showing up as a reply to ANYTHING is you. It must be that magic Krsna computer of yours.

>>19243583
Shit, I think I'd read a recipe in the Petit Albert, doesn't it have one? I forgot what it said but that sounds similar.

I expect other grimoires should have it too, but I haven't started reading another just yet.

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>>19236049
>[email protected]

yo sucka you foreal??? thats my shit

>>19243646
WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN FUCKNUT
JUMP ON BOARD

>>19243646
>>19243650
Anyway if any CS aspirants wanna field this guy questions, he was the operating partner from a year ago.

I'll be busy doing America stuff.

Anyone here read Brilliant Illumination of the Lamp of Five Stages?

>>19244012
Reading it, why?

>>19244027
I'm getting into it, however its the first kind of Tantra/Vajrayana reading I've done...hope it is appropriate, maybe not.

>>19242314
Bumping this

What would be the best order to read Chumb's/CS stuff?

>>19244135
bumpy bump bump
what ya looking at champ?

>>19243650
i don't pay attention to your threads because you're a giant dweeb, my bad bro

>>19238707
>that 4 o clock
my sides

>>19244239
Was my post not specific enough?

>>19238707
>Armanen rune yoga
more informatian please
>books?

>>19244407
>sees "rune yoga"
>sees that meme of a picture
>thinks "oh shit that's cool, i better ask for more info"
kek

>>19244451
yes more info please

Are there any decent occult discussion boards on the dark net?

Anybody here made a hypersigil? What medium did you use?

I think there's something incredible about the idea of using a magic (of the illusion variety) routine as a magickal ritual to achieve some other thing (probably self-transformation and/or helping Grant Morrison make superheroes real).

>>19244349
>when you're trying to salute your obersturmbannführer but you accidentally turn into Sailor Venus

How do I get a girlfriend? I already exercise, meditate, yoga, brush teeth, shower daily, wear nice clothes, act polite, have lots of friend, drink and smoke socially, read daily, etc. I think it might be because I'm a NEET until I return to university in the Fall. It might also be because of my lazy eye. Or most likely, because I'm a freaking weirdo who has been homeless and jumping in and out of psych wards for the past few years and has little in common with the crowd. I think my medicine might also be responsible. My sex drive is practically non-existent now compared to its acausal abundance before.

Anyway, I was thinking about maybe trying Goetia. Can a demon help me get a gf? I'm like part ways through Geosophia and feel very overwhelmed by the tradition. Almost tempted to fuck with the GMP.

>>19245302
>act polite
You might want to rethink this. Great men are rarely known for being polite.

>>19245302
its because you are homeless and in and out of a mental hospital.

Try harder to be the type of man a woman would consider making a good father, one better than the normal guys she has to choose from.


im like you anon, im retarded in many ways and am so weird and hard to love for soooo many reasons. WE have so much love to give and we are always devoted and trying to prove our worth. Always trying to learn how to increase it.

I have a house with a girlfriend now. We are talking about getting our first car together as well as thinking about having a child within 2 years. Just try to be the dad you wish you had, try to be the dad you wish your friends had, the dad you wish your bullies had, the dad that you think is the IDEAL dad.

Chase it and you will find what you are looking for.

>>19245392
>>19245478
I am not polite to a fault and I am striving toward my ego ideal. What about Goetia? Does it really work for finding love?

>>19246042

Fuckmeat, yes. Love, no. If you just want a cum repository, hit up Gremory. Otherwise, stop expecting magic to fix your personal shortcomings for you.

>>19246141
So I should stick with theurgy? From Geosophia it made it seem like the two practices could almost become supplementary. Especially if one leans Hellenistic or Hermetic. I suppose I am happy on my own. But I despair at leaving my chance at a happy partnership up to fate. For me, eudaimonia involves a loving relationship. All the girls who like me are terrible trolls. Ocassonally I meet someone but never see them again. I feel like this is something that was never taught to me properly. Whenever I meet a girl it's always her who likes me. I suppose it is like Daoism. The superior state should remain beneath the inferior state. But dang. Sometimes I wonder about the point of all this magical knowledge in this life if it just allows you to survive the afterlife...that afterlife better be fucking great. I'm a be like monkey... stealing peaches of immortality from the buddha lol

>>19245205
I made a hypersigil for my hga once. I think I wasn't "secure" enough in the information transfer and soon went crazy. But then again maybe I started the hypersigil because pushed to by early onset schizo... all in all, 5/10 experience (minus five points for arrest, tazing, catheter, jail, and mental hospital)

>>19244135
LiberABA->BookOfPleasure->ZosSpeaks!->TyphonianTrilogy->OpusculaMagica-->Satyr'sSermon>Azoetia->Qtub->One->DBoE->Ape'sInbox

>>19245235
Too many trans ppl think they're maha shoujo cause they read about occultism

>>19246241
Nah, just too much animu and fixation on women.

>>19246192
>the point of all this magical knowledge in this life if it just allows you to survive the afterlife
Who told you that nonsense?

>>19246362
Idk. Mystery religions.

>>19243189
I did not know Empodocles. I thought Plato was creater of the western elements system. Thank you

>>19246233
Satyr's Sermon makes zero sense without working through the LA praxes.

Start on ONE: Grimoire of the Golden Toad and Leaper Between. Yank out Zos! for Children of Qayin. Yank out Satyr's Sermon for Viridarium Umbris.

Is it possible to set up an altar that isn't immediately recognizable as such? What about an Erisian altar?

I just live in an area where that kind of shit isn't approved of and I'd like to not get the shit kicked out of me or worse.

>>19246141
>implying self-transformation, including potentially becoming more confident and charming, isn't a major aspect of magic

>>19247608

There's a difference in trying to use it to bypass effort (which that anon is clearly in the camp of), and using it to *guide* effort for the sake of development as a being.

>>19247596
Astral temple perhaps?

>>19247705
How am i trying to bypass effort? I am no longer homeless or in and out of psych hospitals if that was unclear. I am going back to school soon. I am doing my part on the mundane. I just want some supernatural aid as well:

>>19247813
Not that anon, but if your personal hygiene is as good as possible, you're going out to bars and other social hangouts to try to meet women/men, talking to women/men and flirting with them, putting in a regular effort to find a partner of some kind, and you haven't had *any* success, it's probably THEN ok to utilize Lemegeton. However, if you were truly putting that much effort in and not having any success whatsoever, it would still lead me to believe that there are 'mundane' approaches that need to yet be attempted.

why are people so [triggered] by these threads?

Wow. It looks like about 15 posts have disappeared in the past, like, 45 minutes (?) or so.
The following is a clip of William S. Burroughs, famous writer, poet, artist, outlaw, and occultist. Known associate of the Illuminates of Thanateros, so very much on topic for the thread. Plus, it's a PRAYER!

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>>19247596
Could you set it up such that the arrangement can only be "seen" if you stand in one particular spot? A la pic related?

>>19248130
>can't even link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLSveRGmpIE

>>19248130
>looks like about 15 posts have disappeared
Even better, why won't the report spammer have a grown ass conversation about their expectations of the thread like an adult so we can meet halfway?

Or is it all just a ploy to get /omg/ banned from 4chan entirely?

>>19248154
>>19248130
Meanwhile, >>19238965

Hey, reportfag, howabout you go curate a different thread that's in worse shape than this'n?

>"You /omg/ queers need to clean up your act"

>>19247181
>>19236784
>>19245502
>>19247299
>>19244494
>>19247463
>>19247549

>>19248191
>The quality of posts is extremely important to this community. Contributors are encouraged to provide high-quality images and informative comments.
Then go fucking sit in a thread that needs it:
>>19248181
>>19248174

>who aren't shitposters
Where are your thread contributions? Point 'em out.

>>19248191
Being sick of shitposting, and reporting every post you don't like, are two different things, and it ultimately fucks up the thread if you are reporting "shitposts," as definitions of that word vary from "obvious bait" to "on topic thing I don't like." So anyway, are you admitting here to being the one wanking the report button, finally?

>>19248181
its like im on bizarro /x/

>>19248191
>Global Rule # 3:
>Global Rule # 6

Tell me what about these posts was so egregious they needed reported (let alone deleted/br'd), given >>19248181
>>19248174

http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/19236049/#19236277
http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/19236049/#19242978
http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/19236049/#19243261
http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/19236049/#19243487
http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/19229020/#19229203
http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/19229020/#19230800
http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/19229020/#19230929
http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/19229020/#19231015

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Is there a decent system or book for someone who wants to learn astral projection? I have about a month free and am willing to go all in

>>19248241
robert bruce - mastering astral projection

>>19248235

Not that anon, but the fourth one says nigger and the fifth is off topic. The rest seem fine and, compared to most of the stuff that gets left up, ESPECIALLY in other threads, there is no reason any of that should have been deleted.

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>>19248241

My goto suggestion forastral projection is Astral Dynamics by Robert Bruce.

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Guys, so The Kybalion isn't Hermetic, like it claims to be, but what do you think about the actual quality of the work itself? To me, the 7 principles form a decent summation of, shall we say, the metaphysical laws - in the same sense as the laws of physics.

>>19248241
>>19248248
>>19248254
It seems like it's better to practice AP within the context of a tradition or larger practice, rather than a thing by itself. That's just my opinion.

>>19248258
Depends on what one wants to do, I suppose. Some of it appears to be in direct conflict with Hermeticism. So that adds difficulty.

>>19248251
As far as I understand rule enforcement elsewhere on the site (and I'm not an expert), you can say "nigger" everywhere, you just can't say "we should slaughter all the subhuman shitskins" outside of /pol/.

The fifth is obviously a description of Iyyun for anyone remotely familiar with the work of David Chaim Smith, who is discussed regularly by a few people ITT.

>>19248264
>http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/19236049/#19243261
Sorry, meant third and fourth. Not familiar with how they define 'racism' but it certainly appears that 'racist terms' so-called, in and of themselves, are acceptable.

>>19248264
This is the most moderated general i've ever seen on this site. Maybe I'm just used to the endless shitposting and off topic posting on /vg/.

>>19248260

I personally disagree, but that may be due to the fact that I do not follow other traditions in a normal manner. As a chaote (most apt term to describe my nature), I strip down and integrate the tech of anything I find useful or interesting in to my Work. I study and respect the paths of those who've come before me, but at the end of the day I walk my own path instead of following in the footsteps of others.

>>19248320
>You have to *learn* the rules in order to break them

Chaos Magick has come to quite a sad state these days, in many areas.

>>19248335
>Chaos Magick has come to quite a sad state these days, in many areas.

Newbs can't even into liber null anymore

>someone reports posts for using the word nigger
RIP 4chan

>>19248343
Well, the biggest problem in my eyes, is people just cosplaying on LSD and calling it "Chaos Magick." In my mind there is not much distinction between Chaos magick and pretty much any modern system that utilizes syncretism. The only difference, perhaps, being the "Founding Texts," so to speak, of Chaos Magick.

>>19248387
It's been overrun with candy-asses, if you can't even say roody-poo anymore

>>19247800
I'd like something physical, but I appreciate the thought.
>>19248135
That's awesome. Something similar in principle could definitely work.

>>19237692
When it's benefits don't effect you.

>>19248441
The anon is probably making the "Altruism doesn't exist, because even the pleasure of helping someone else is enough to say you are really helping them for selfish reasons" argument. Which I find compelling, but in no way certain.

>>19248411
Hopefully you can figure out a way to make it work, but why physical specifically?

>>19248452
Altruism exists, I just get nothing from it, not even the fuzzy feeling people fag about.

>>19248479
Are you not the anon who asked
>How can any work or act not be selfish when it all relates back to the self?

Because there you were asserting that
>it all relates back to the self
Which seems to imply a lack of belief in altruism. If you aren't that anon, or the one I responded to, then I will be confused as to why you replied the way you did, that's for sure.

>>19248274
>most moderated
It's only two outsiders (one anon reporting everything he doesn't like, one janitor) decided to kill whatever culture develops in this general. No drugs (for ritualistic purposes), no music and no chitchat (even if it's slightly on topic). Why? Idk.

>>19248486
I'm victory drunk after selling a car and eating spicy taco truck tacos, I don't even know what was being talked about.

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This is important. Enjoy

>>19248508
Howso anon?

>>19248632
It's supposed to be a sigil I believe. Saw something in another thread not long ago.

>>19248508
>8x7
That's really triggering my autism.

Is the ability to visualize necessary for Cultus Sabbati?

>>19248825
The ability to visualize is necessary for just about every form of Magick and Mysticism, AFAIK.

>>19248825
>>19248838
This, try Dharyana

>>19236049
Any links to exercises for improving one's visualization?

How do I know when I git gud (enough)?

>>19249183

The exercises in Franz Bardon's Initiation Into Hermetics and Chic Cicero's Self-Initiation Into Golden Dawn~ both offer solid visualization exercises.

>inb4 autistic screeching about Bardon

>>19249183
Liber O and Liber ABA probably have some good stuff. Psychonaut has some good stuff. Don't get sucked into the Bardon meme. there's no reason to use his shitty books as reference just because one chapter *might* have some decent info when there are books that have good info throughout. Franz Bardon thought he was the Re-incarnation of the "historical Hermes Trismegistus," if that tells you anything.

Also, does anyone ITT know if Bardon was an actual initiate? I ask from time to time and have looked it up, but can't seem to find anything reliable. Thanks.

>>19249235
>inb4 autistic screeching about Bardon
Is that a thing on /x/? I'm new and I love Bardon.

I read his book years ago, but I was too eager to read advanced stuff so I never practiced for very long continuously. Lately my interest in occult returned so I'll be going back to Bardon I guess.

>>19249271
The main thing is, "Initiation Into Hermetics" is Neither Initiatory nor Hermetic. People bitch about people saying that and say it's LE MAYMAY, but I have yet to see anyone compare his "Hermeticism" to the actual Hermetic Corpus and report back, or his "Initiation" to almost any Western Initiatory Tradition, and report back.

>>19249262
>>19249290
I see. Personally, I loved his book because it was so accessible compared to most things I could find at the time.

I see you mentioned Psychonaut. Is /x/ into Carroll and chaos magick in general?

>>19249330
Yessir. Just see:>>19248335
>>19248343
>>19248397
ESPECIALLY
>>19248397

Most visualisation practices are of no use to people who can't visualise to begin with. If you have aphantasia and you've never been able to visualise a single thing in your mind's eye your entire life, what use are the exercises that all assume that one can even faintly visualise something? They fucking suck ass. The closest thing I can think of is trying to do trataka (see yoga and the corresponding buddhist practice), and maybe eventually it might unlock the possibility of visualising.

>>19249366
>people who can't visualise to begin with
I can only assume here that you mean the clinically brain-dead as studies indicate all pre-linguistic thoughts are modeled by visualization. When you say to yourself "I should go take a shit", you visualize yourself getting off the couch and taking a shit before the words appear.

>Aphantasia
I don't wanna be a huge ass about this, but there have been more people ITT claiming this disorder over the years than there are people with said disorder in the nation.

>>19249383
>but there have been more people ITT claiming this disorder over the years than there are people with said disorder in the nation.

that and fucking ADD/ADHD, from what I can tell!

>>19249383
The only time I've ever been able to visualize anything was on psychedelic substances. Other than that, it's been completely dark up there since I was a kid. I've tried all sorts of practices and nothing's ever given me a noticeable result, other than trataka, and that's still only because the light from the candle burned itself into my retina momentarily.
>aphantasia feels bad man

>>19249403
So you can't remember what anybody looks like? As soon as you look away their visage completely disappears from your memory until you see them again?

>>19249383
I knew a dude who had synesthesia. he played the saxophone, and smoking weed increased his condition, which apparently, for the kind he had, was a pleasurable experience.

>>19249413
Nope. I can logically think about their features but I can't remember what they look like, no. But that doesn't mean that every time I see them is like the first time I've met them or anything.

All this chaos magick hate ITT.

You know, it's supposed to work on higher levels than everyone thinks. You're supposed to have a VAST knowledge of the occult; and, therefore, not be bound by strict rules or dogma. Paradigm-shift all over the place. You still have to adhere to rules or procedures - it's not just magic for the sake of magic.

I dislike the notion that everyone equates it to masturbating on sigils or "lol randumb XD" LARPing.
>even if that is what it's become

Why can't you be theistic, Satanist to suit your needs one day? Then become an Eastern, Jainistic yogi the next?

Chaos magic is where belief is the tool - the process is still important; but it can stripped down (or deconstructed) to its basic components.

>>19249495

It's not hate, it's just egotistical quasi-educated parrots looking to feed ego. Chaos magic is a framework that can be used to "reconcile" (for lack of a better term offhand) things that mightn't ordinarily mesh into a functional yet unique system.

>>19249495
You're making it sound like chaos magick is a bunch of retards that don't have the conviction to have a solid system, so they flip flop back and forth between systems they barely understand in order to masturbate on sigils so that THIS MY WISH TO GET A WAIFU.

>>19249600
Many of the self-proclaimed "Chaotes" DO exactly that. However, that's not what Chaos Magick is *supposed* to be about.

>>19249495
Anon, what Chaos texts have you read? The paradigm shift is one of the things that distinguishes Chaos magick from general syncretism, but your description seems to be a bit...off.

>>19249365
>>19249495
Chaos magick is the only "system" (meta-system rather) that makes sense to me, since I can't see any single belief system as being the only one that got it right.

The problem is it appeals to both cynical and delusional people.

With cynical people it hardly ever gets to a point where they actually do the rituals etc.
>"I have a feeling I'm just LARPing..."

With deluded people it leads to:
>Cosplayers on LSD
>THIS MY WISH TO GET A WAIFU

Obviously, we only see the deluded ones because they don't have to make any effort.

>>19249847
The very originators of Chaos magick said themselves that one should pick a tradition/system/current and reach some level of adepthood IN THAT SYSTEM before 'utilizing' Chaos Magic.

>>19249920
This might be a little harder for ones who already read chaos magick texts. They have to go back and actually believe in a system they just read isn't the ultimate truth.

Someone who went through all that and became disillusioned by chaos magick later already went through the whole basic training. Maybe they face different kind of difficulties, though.

>>19249926
What if "just masturbate on a sigil" is just a meme to filter out the plebs?

>>19249495
No regular ITT "hates" XAOC.

As a matter of record, I've been trained by a vanguard of the current, and consider myself a XAOC-BABALON practitioner.

>>19250002
THIS. We just don't like the self-professed "Chaotes," who have been sp accurately described earlier ITT
>Cosplaying on LSD and calling it magic
>Masturbating on poorly conceived sigils

>>19250002
>As a matter of record, I've been trained by a vanguard of the current, and consider myself a XAOC-BABALON practitioner.
What did he meme by this?

>>19250037
>The Satyr that posts here occasionally was the author of Black Lodge of Santa Cruz and a contributor to Joel B's journal "Kaos". His signature is on my most current A.'.A.'. Oath and Task.

>>19250057
Did he initiate your butthole too?

>>19250000
Well then those people VERY LIKELY are *not* doing "Chaos Magick" properly to begin with. like the anon up here points out>>19249926
It is very hard to reason with a lot of self-proclaimed "Chaotes" of my generation. It's always "Yeah but those were really just suggestions that Peter Caroll was making" and/or "dude it's called Chaos for a reason lmfao I ain't gonna follow any structure or do anything out of a book!" and/or "Just take acid and you'll learn all you need to know man, that's how I get muh gnosamadhi an sheit."

Basically, they have no idea what "Chaos" even is/means, and think that because of the name, they don't even have to read any of the 'foundational' Chaos texts. Or at least, the ones we are talking about are like that.

>>19250083
My initiations were self-performed under the auspices of the Russell lineage(s) of the A.'.A.'.

As far as I know at least a couple of splinter lines are using my ThROA rewrite, Liber Pyramidion: The Capstone of Initiation.

Liber IS/EES: The Temple of Flowering Reeds needs some polish.

>>19250122
How's Satyr doing nowadays?

>>19250134
Decent.
Been better tho.
He pops in.

>>19250148
Yeah I've noticed. Coincidentally, I was reading the black lodge when you mentioned it just a bit earlier.

>>19250148
>>19250163
I meant re-reading.

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>>19250163
"I just want world peace", Dirge muttered.
"You know we can't do that David."
"Just a little bit of world peace. A 3x3 cube, right here, at 3:33"

>>19250176
How's the forty days and nights of Tesseract working out for ya?

>>19250209
It's been like two days tops, dude, chill.

>>19250209
I'm in research time. Deadline for the ALZHALA practices begins in less than a week.

>>19250220
>ALZHALA

You guys are always doing these crazy practices with crazy names, it's pretty intimidating

>>19250288
Yeah, what does that ALZHALA even mean?

>>19250372
AL: The designation of Liber L vel Legis by Frater Achad. Also, the core syllable of the Azoetia.
ZHA: I don't actually understand the implications of this syllable other than eclipse/Dragon related.
LA: The sexual station of Dragon Book of Essex.

This will mostly consist of tinkering with the Tesseract and probably Libri NU/HAD.

The goal is to have a fully syncretic Tesseract/Cultus Sabbati ritual in which the Aats replace the Hebrew letters.

>>19250403
Speaking of Cultus Sabbati, what do you think about these two posts?
>>19246233
>>19247097

>>19250428
>>19247097
Is correct.
Satyr's Sermon was delivered into the hands of Alogos while working the LA praxes originally.

If you practice DBoE, you'll be making your own Satyr's Sermon.

>>19250436
Cool. Good to know. I have a lot of work ahead of me.

>>19250436
Also, absolutely fuck everyone/anyone who doesn't want a slide of sludge dripping cronchy fokken tunes with their /omg/.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPUiuGqxws8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqtqih0lqVA