What is real and what isnt ?

>masturbation

Yep, you're going straight to hell.

>>19235035
Don't worry. As St. Augustine revealed not going to hell is just a lottery.

>>19235049
please anon ! you're only freaking me out more

lustful thoughts and masturbation are natural. you're not out there raping or molesting anybody. you're taking care of your body's needs in a responsible way. why would god make you with desire and then punish you for having it? it makes no sense. so either:
>having sexual desire is fine and the bible is wrong, enjoy your fap
or
>god is a sadistic asshole who puts people in catch-22 situations on purpose so he can send them to hell
>therefore you're going to hell anyway because you're not perfect and sooner or later he'll find some pretext to do it that you probably won't even be aware of
>therefore it's out of your control and whether you jack off 50 times a day or never think about a titty again won't make a difference, so might as well enjoy your fap

>>19235070
that calmed me a bit anon thanks but i'm still a bit worried

>>19235120
have a fap and imagine yourself looking god straight in the eye right as you cum, you'll feel better.

>>19235120
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is what Christianity does to people.

>>19235200
As a kids I grew up a Jehovah's witness but drifted away from it

Why would God design men to have high sex drives and an ability to release themselves if it was sinful? Porn involving real people is another topic, but stop listening to religious fundamentalists and use your God given mind to decipher what is immoral and moral based on real natural law

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>>19235035
And this is exactly why you don't brainwash your kids with religion, moms and dads.

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>>19235200
yes, listen to this anon and beat off wherever you please - they clearly know what they're talking about

>>19235035
You have lustful thoughts because our specie requires sexual activity to reproduce. Without erotic thoughts and orgasms, we wouldn't bother much with sex. We would probably die off.

In other words, it is natural. You don't need to worry about it, despite what the world's religions teach.

>>19235035
Look at the September 23 sign, Revelation 12. This year.

I have the same issues that you do, but we have to be strong in the faith. Don't slide back now, the rapture is coming soon. Put on your breastplate of righteousness. Hold out until the Great American Solar Eclipse, see what happens. Have faith and love in Christ Jesus. I love you and I will pray for you, do not listen to deceivers who say that GOD is not real, GOD will not stop you from turning away from him because he does not control us. You have to make the choices but it's all His will. Stay safe and if you do backslide at the time of the rapture DO NOT TAKE THE MARK OF THE BEAST. Don't do it! Become a martyr if you must but your candlestick (spot in the kingdom of heaven) is at stake, don't let it go out but let it shine brightly. Wear the armor of GOD and don't lose faith brother, please. Fight the lust, have love and self-control. MARANATHA God is coming soon, Israel came back 70 years ago as a nation the end is SOON. God bless you all

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>>19235035
1) God exists.
2) God has never accurately been described in full detail, in any book.
3) Most holy books actually detail this about God, but it's difficult to pinpoint if this was intended or not, due to the language constraints of 2).
4) Gödel's incompleteness theorems does a pretty nice job of explaining this, in my opinion.

You can define God as the set of all sets. But it's been proven that equating the set of all sets in a way that is mathematically consistent with the physics of the universe which contains the moment of the person who proved them using the physics of that universe which contains that moment to prove that they did so in the moment in which they did in a way that is logically consistent with set theory is simultaneously either physically impossible, or logically impossible.

You can call that Mynt's theory of Nice Ship incompleteness, if it hasn't. Feel free to try and prove that the contents of this post are incorrect, if you want, and be sure to count the number of seconds before you are interrupted by a seemingly irrelevant disraction before you complete your proof.

Nothing is real

Row row row your boat

Gently down the stream

Merrily merrily merrily merrily

Life is but a dream

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>>19235035
So, relax.

There's a reason for every thing once it happens. God forgives, because you weren't meant to live a sinless existence. If you were meant to live a sinless existence, then you wouldn't have been allowed by God to make the choice to sin in the first place! Anybody who disagrees is claiming that God isn't the set of all sets, that God didn't provide a reason for your existence, and therefor is incorrect, because of my post, here:

>>19236416

Besides, what definitely is or isn't a sin is provably unprovable. Just be nice, and trust that if you're not getting nice back, then you should be a different kind of nice, until people start returning your niceness back.

What you give out is what you get back. If you don't like what kinds of things happen to you in life, then just change until you do.

It's that simple.

>>19235035
The universe is every possibility at the same time, because time doesn't actually exist. You are already in hell. You are also already in heaven. You will live forever and you have already died. You are the universe experiencing itself through it's own eyes. You are God. You are also not God.

>>19236416
GOD is a word symbol designating all personalizations of Deity. The term requires a different definition on each personal level of Deity function and must be still further redefined within each of these levels, as this term may be used to designate the diverse co-ordinate and subordinate personalizations of Deity; for example: the Paradise Creator Sons—the local universe fathers.

>how can mirrors be real if our eyes aren't real?

What you need to understand is that at the end of the day the bible was physically written by people and people are flawed. Interrupting the Bible as a strict set of rules and practices you must follow or else is fucking stupid.

God or Jesus doesn't want you being scared all the time. They guy hung from a pile of wood so you wouldn't have to.

The only "requirement" for Christianity is accept Jesus died on the cross to save humanity. That's literally it. All the pageantry around the religion and church is more for the sake of community of a religion than a requirement.

The only time lust or any of the deadly sins are a problem is when people have their lives absorbed by them. So let's say you were some drug lord who got girls hooked on drugs and then basically kept them as sex slaves, then that's a situation where yes you're probably going to hell.

Jerking off is not a sin. Your body can ejaculate while your asleep so if it was a sin then God's just being a goof

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>>19236778
No. That's never what the word, God, referred to. Only English speakers who analyze other religions of non-English speakers think the way you do, regarding pantheons. If you want to begin worshipping a new deity, and to name that specific deity "God," you have that right. But what you're then worshipping is your own personal creation, and not necessarily what others refer to when they describe all that is.

if any faggots are trying to convince you shit is happening on the 23rd of september check this link out: https://escapeallthesethings.com/sept-2017-revelation-12/ It really eases your mind. But just remember that if god is coming during this rapture shit then we aren't going to know about it. We are just man and we can't do shit about anything happening up there.

>>19236850
>The only "requirement" for Christianity is accept Jesus died on the cross to save humanity

I've always had trouble with this part,how would I go about doing this ? Is it as simple as it sounds ?

>>19235035
Maybe you should answer your question like this.

Ask yourself. Should I believe in something that gives me zero proof AND dangles infinite suffering in front of your face if you dont? Do you really want to worship something that shitty?
Fuck that

>>19236886
Daily reminder that human sacrifice is not okay.

>>19235035
“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”

>>19236292
Glory to the Divine Corpse! Glory to YISUN, Breaker of Infinities!

>>19236872
I feel one should adjust your faith in the Supreme to your knowledge of the Ultimacy of Deity, otherwise you are just following someone else's philosophy.

> In the contemplation of Deity, the concept of personality must be divested of the idea of corporeality. A material body is not indispensable to personality in either man or God. The corporeality error is shown in both extremes of human philosophy. In materialism, since man loses his body at death, he ceases to exist as a personality; in pantheism, since God has no body, he is not, therefore, a person. The superhuman type of progressing personality functions in a union of mind and spirit.

>>19236850
Why would an all-powerful god need to sacrifice himself to himself to make a loophole in the rules he made?

>>19236778
In the common parlance, God with a capital g refers to Yahweh, the Judeo-Christian deity.

Enjoy the second circle of Hell, you godless soul.

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>>19235035
Where in the Bible exactly does it tell you that masturbation is wrong? Is it the story of Onan that confuses you in particular? Because God punished him for NOT fucking his wife and not getting children, and not for lustful thoughts and masturbation, I think he would've been fine with that if it would have just gotten his dick hard and into his wife for once..

So I don't exactly get where you get the strict idea from where Jesus or God tells you that Sex or masturbation is evil?

I have read the Bible, and maybe you can point me to the passages that worry you, and we can talk about it OP and sort it out. If you want to that is. Because in my view, God gave you an imaginative brain and a penis for a reason. It's of course how you use it, you shouldn't fantasize about your best friends wife and beat it off to that for instance, that's a given. But there's not much wrong with general masturbation in some moderation, as far as the Bible is concerned.

>>19235035
Lustful thoughts and masturbation are normal and not evil at all. Don't worry. If god exists god is love. My personal belief is that all is one.
Don't live in fear op, trust your intuition and find what your desires are. : )

>>19236416
>But it's been proven that equating the set of all sets in a way that is mathematically consistent with the physics of the universe which contains the moment of the person who proved them using the physics of that universe which contains that moment to prove that they did so in the moment in which they did in a way that is logically consistent with set theory is simultaneously either physically impossible, or logically impossible.

Sorry I'm not quite understanding this, could you explain it simpler for me?

>>19236416
Set of all sets sounds like the individualizations of the creator into smaller and smaller pecieces (that still contain the whole)
From lawofone.info
>13.13 Questioner: Was the galaxy that we are in created by the infinite intelligence or was it created by a portion of the individualized infinite intelligence?
>Ra: I am Ra. The galaxy and all other things of material of which you are aware are products of individualized portions of intelligent infinity. As each exploration began, it, in turn, found its focus and became co-Creator. Using intelligent infinity each portion created an universe and allowing the rhythms of free choice to flow, playing with the infinite spectrum of possibilities, each individualized portion channeled the love/light into what you might call intelligent energy, thus creating the so-called natural laws of any particular universe.>Each universe, in turn, individualized to a focus becoming, in turn, co-Creator and allowing further diversity, thus creating further intelligent energies regularizing or causing natural laws to appear in the vibrational patterns of what you would call a solar system. Thus, each solar system has its own, shall we say, local coordinate system of illusory natural laws. It shall be understood that any portion, no matter how small, of any density or illusory pattern contains, as in an holographic picture, the One Creator which is infinity. Thus all begins and ends in mystery.

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>>19235035
>immoral stuff like lustful thought,masturbation

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>>19235035

Following jesus leads to hell.

The true religion isn't in a book, because the people of the world belong to the devil and willingly lie for him.

>>19238315

Toon Town?

I myself am not Christian, but is there even a single scriptural verse out there that says you can't use your hands to stimulate your sexual organs??

'Cause in my religion, we have plenty of people who think that masturbation it is somehow against the religion, yet out of the countless scriptures of my faith there's not a single mention of it even ONCE.

It always seems to me that it's more people just imagine it's bad without any actual basis for that belief in any sort of scriptural text.

>>19235035
not to be "tfw to intelligent" but most people who complain about God or Christianity don't even understand a morsel about the bible and think that everything is black or white because just because they saw that one movie about moses or heard that story about the guy swallowed by a whale

Read the bible, anon. You don't get to have other people tell you it's fake or real. You decide for yourself. Even Christians who weren't converted (lived Christian lives since birth) don't really understand the book. The directions on how to know are even written in there. The best way to get around your fear is to understand it first. This may come as bias but I promise you that if you read it and follow the instructions given (you don't even have to follow it 1:1 or become "perfect, though it is ideal) you will find great joy in either Christ if you believe it or the satisfaction it gives when you realize it's not true (I guarantee you won't get the second option). Good hunting, anon.

>>19238501
Read about Onani
and lustful thinking is part of stimulating sexual organs
try harder instead of pretending to be ignorant my guy

>>19238615
Also, the best "translation" of the Bible is the King James Version. The others try to be modern and hip and lose some of the essences and meaning along the way. Or better yet if you can actually read the Hebrew version. The more ancient you get from Hebrew, the less translation errors.

>>19235035
If you are worried about God, the only unforgivable sin, and God said this, not the prophets. Is to take your faith in vain. You must never relent in your faith, that is it. You must never use your faith as a tool for evil. If you want to be Good. Like the Lord and Savior Christ.

>>19235049
news flash, youre already in hell/heaven depending on how u did in your previous life. if you were a good anon, youre in heaven, and vice versa.

>>19238620
> Onani
Onani fucked his sister-in-law but never cummed inside. That is why god murdered him.

>>19236985
here's a crazy idea: read the Bible and find out. seriously the worst that will happen is you'll be better suited to discuss scripture. you might even learn something.

>>19235057
I thought that was John Calvin

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>>19236171
Its almost like he's an asshole or something. huh, weird

>>19236292
fuck off with this bullshit. people have been waiting for 2000 years now

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>>19236292
Kikes gonna Kike

>>19236416
>>19236440
Samefag. You can tell by the way they're both pushing crypto-atheist positions. If God is collapsed to a mathematical construct, religions get let off the hook for not having enough truth to survive testing. Nobody expects an omnipotent equation to do shit, so this meme is a gasping effort by wannabe rulers to postmodernize a potent God back into existence. Although I don't understand why people bother; the blind idiot math god doesn't do anything or have any meaning in existence. It is such a ridiculously impotent conception of omnipotence.

>>19239533
This


Stop with the math god meme /sci/

>>19235035
>I'm afraid god doesn't exist

Don't be afraid; *rejoice* that God doesn't exist!

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>god knows everything that's going to happen before it happens
>he creates sinners knowing they're doomed to hell

why?

>>19241705
The Abrahamic God probably doesn't exist, but saying that God outright doesn't exist is just silly.

>Everything was already there, and it expanded
vs
>God was already there and he created everything
Both are equally ridiculous statements and atheists who think their version is somehow better are just ignorant.

>>19235035
You can't know for sure whether a higher power exists or not and if it does, in what form. No person has proof of the (non)existence and any concept related to a higher power is a human construct. As is morality - it's a system of right and wrong that people created to ensure a functioning society.

Here's the thing: God exists, Christ is His son, who died for the sins of mankind. It's through the Lord's grace that your eternal soul can be saved.

God is to be feared, but he is to be loved. He can be an incredible fountain of love and strength when your heart is weary and your mind and body are weak.

The Lord will always be there for you, OP. Lots of people can tell you lots of stupid, mean shit. They can be very condescending and know-it-all about these things. That's just inevitable. Humans are flawed creatures. It's why we needed salvation in the first place.

The Lord doesn't want you to stray, OP, but if you do, just remember that he is there with open arms. He is always by your side, and always waiting for you to stop, tune in, and accept His calming, empowering word.

As you walk through life, you will be plagued with doubts and temptations, and sometimes you may fall and give in to them. God still loves you. Grace is still yours to reach out and take. One day, if you keep your heart open, you will find your way back to the Lord.

>>19235035
Yeaahhh no btfo troll

>>19235035
Don't beat yourself up over these thoughts.
Just live life being kind to your fellow man, do good onto others when you can, and simply live your day the best you can.
Love the people you have in your life, love the pets you own, always strive to gain more connections in your life because loneliness isn't fun.
There will always be thoughts, thoughts of lust, the occasional urge to have to sate (masturbation), but it is natural and it is normal.
Doing something once in a while is fine, but when it takes over your life... then you have a problem.
That isn't when you find religion, that is when you find someone to help prescribe something to help tame down your sexual drive a little to keep it bearable.
All things in moderation is key to a happy life.
Whether God is truly real or not, I can't say.
I don't know, myself.
I just think that if there is something out there, it probably wouldn't be so neurotically anal about nitpicking on every little thing we do.

>>19235035
There is a God and he is the only good thing this side of existence. There is no hell. The lives we take here are tainted with hate and sorrow all we can do is try not to sucumb to greed and the darker cravings some of us have.
Also: having a sex drive is nothing wrong.

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the universe existed for billions of years and i exist and im aware right now in this moment?

something doesnt add up

>>19235035
Nigga, those things are not sinful.
If god is real, he certainly won't care wether you did those things or not.
If god is perfect he will certainly forgive you if your intentions are not directly to offend him.
Just chill down.
If god is real, he's a cool guy, he has a good sense of humour and is understanding.
Don't stress life.
Live how you want and avoid practicing evil as much as you can.
Be nice and don't be a dick.
Help others.
Volunteer.
Have fun.
Live.

>>19238636
The New Testament is translated from Greek.

>>19239343
A thousand years is only a day to God..

>>19235035
>afraid god doesn't exist
What would be the difference if it exists or not?

Good thing God already Loves us all, indefinitely, if we just accept him.

How do we accept him? If you desire his Unconditional Love, you already have.

>>19235035
God is real, but might be an unconscious force rather than a separate mind.

Masturbation is indeed bad for you, stop it now.

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>>19235035
God is not a single entity, my friend.
God is not as strict as you or your family may believe, but nobody can truly tell another how it is.
You are okay, OP.
As long as you live a good life, think Buddha, you will be just fine.
Keep your heart pure my friend.
Lustful thought is not wrong unless you are lusting after your friend or family members lady.
Masturbation is not wrong.
Of the Seven Deadlies, Wrath i believe is the most fragile and is the one you should worry about.
I know you know in your heart that masturbation is not wrong.
I bloody know it OP and you think its utter BS that its considered wrong.
But it is not. Maybe to religion, but not God.
You know what my biggest problem with masturbation is?
The Spirit not leaving me alone about it.
It likes to play in healthy ways. It will show me lewd things in my mind that i could not ever in my life create myself mentally in how vivid it is. It is like a waking dream, and it doesn't stop just because i have.
I have a strong and deep connection with The Spirit OP. I have dedicated my life to it. I am 20 years old.
I would suggest you follow your heart, as long as it is purity it is leading you to.
I know you know it is not wrong.
Stay strong, my friend.
May God guide you and guard you.
I command it, as long as you remain pure and true.
Ignore the Demon chapter, detailing the 72 demons, but check out The Key of Solomon.
You can download it free off google.
There's 4 .pdf files out there, all quite easy to find.
Google "The Lesser Key of Solomon .pdf" and start there.
If you seek more, find the 3 .pdf documents that compose of The Greater Key. They are just as easy to find.
The "Preliminary Invocation" is, in essence a command. A command to God to stand by you and to guard and guide you.
It is my favorite prayer.
Though it is more of a song, than a prayer.
Take your time with that book too. If you devote to The Spirit, it will devote to you.

>>19242665
Thanks anon ill give this a look

>>19235035
Look...we all make mistakes and fall short, ALL of us.Dont get on a guilt trip after asking for forgiveness...its a slap in the face of Christ who has already forgotten it.
There is only ONE unforgivable sin that cant even be committed yet and that is to refuse the Holy Spirit to speak through you when delivered up onto the Synagogue of Satan.
Rid yourself of guilt, heavy burden and worry by asking Christ into your heart and life.
Is it better to believe in God and he not exist ..then you die and fade into oblivion? Or not believe in God and he be real and you miss out after you die?
Really...what does hurt to believe?

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>>19235035
Chill out

>>19238620
Onan didn't want to impregnate his dead brother's wife (as was the custom to continue the family line) because he wanted his brother's fortune for himself instead of it being given to the child. His sin was greed / letting a family line die. It's a tribal thing.

The fact that people use that story to condemn masturbation is absolutely sickening.

>>19242665
>I have dedicated my life to it. I am 20 years old.

>>19245365
>absolutely sickening.

>>19236171
Having a high sex drive but also not being allowed to masturbate means we're driven to get married as soon as possible, thereby continuing the species.

The no-masturbation thing really only works if people get married at puberty. The bible probably doesn't mention masturbation because it was a non-issue, people got married fast and didn't have a choice in the matter either.

Fuck the results, do what makes you feel good man. Wack off and chill

>>19235035
www.holytext.org/gospel

Get saved.

>>19235035
Our God is a forgiving God, ask for forgiveness and he will gladly forgive you.

>>19243765
Chilling in the wrong board anon?

>>19238455
What do you mean exactly ?

>afraid god doesn't exist.
Yeah I remember when I was 15 too.

The. I stopped being a little baby bitch and accepted it. I found a new beauty in the organized chaos of life.

How suddenly something can be there, and the next second its gone without a trace.

And vice versa.

>>19235035
you're shitposting on /x/ so you're already in hell

>>19235035

OP, just so you know - despite what many conservative Christians would like you to believe, pretty much everybody masturbates. like ... really. everybody.

if you're going to Hell for playing with yourself then Heaven is going to contain about six fucking people on Judgement Day.

you might be able to make it work if you go with the rule that wanking is a sin but you can be forgiven if you ask your priest how many Hail Marys to do or whatever. that's pretty much the only way it's going to work.

honestly, try to imagine a "loving god" who sends his only son to die for our sins but tortures 99.999% of the human race for eternity because they found biological impulses too pleasant to ignore. that god would be a serious asshole and his heaven would probably suck.

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>>19235135
And remember to give him a firm handshake

>>19246485
wow so deep, such an amazing mind of yours, I wonder what marvelous theory you will come up to when u hit 50

>>19249297
Kek I been away from 4chan awhile, who's this guy ?

>>19250651
The handshake guy from r9k

>>19235035
look, if God excists, he's an all knowing, all powerfull entity. he has total control of his emotions, even some humans have total control over their emotions. you really think this all knowing beeing is going to get mad at you over masturbation? let alone send you to hell over it. come on think about it logically. how childish would God be if he send you to hell over some stuff like that?

>>19235035
you will go to hell because you have guilt. hell is created in your mind. when we die all we have is our mind, as our physical bodies just rot. you will be left only with your conscious, and you will send yourself to hell. you can leave when you are ready. since the 4th dimension is outside of time this is eternal, yet momentary. live life positvely

>>19236879
funny how the rapture is always sept 23 of every year

>>19236292
Damascus isn't in ruin, world hasn't been transformed from natural disasters, Antichrist hasn't risen to power yet.

>>19253188
>Damascus isn't in ruin

Have you been under a rock for the past 5 years?

>>19253201
It isn't totally obliterated though like the scripture says.

>>19236416
what is that picture of?

>>19235035
Believe in him and understand that no one is expected to be perfect. You're only expected to try and do the best you can. Being addicted to porn is a bad thing with or without God though. Try nofap for a while, may clear your head.

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>>19236416
World-class sucker right here.

>>19251965
As childish as believing in any gods.