Theory about Jesus.

He could of been the Human Incarnate of Horus, or another Deity , such as Bai-Ülgen, As in Tengrism Bai Ulgen is seen as the cosmic axis between god and man, and is god yet also not god, just like Jesus.

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>>19219191

read the nag hammadi texts first. There is an interesting vision one of the disciples has whom was assigned to egypt. They had an encounter with a specific diety that explained to him how Jesus came to and the history before the kingdom of heaven that we are generalized to.

Its a good read also a more structured source as to what theories you may have toward the ideas you promote in here.

My brothers and sisters everywhere! You should know that the Messenger, Muhammad the son of 'Abdullah (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) is Allah's Messenger in reality and truth. The evidences that show his veracity are abundant. None but an infidel, who out of arrogance alone, could deny these signs.

Among these proofs are:

Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) was raised illiterate, unable to read or write, and remained like that till his death. Among all his people, he was known as being truthful and trustworthy. Before receiving revelation, he had no prior knowledge of Religion or any previously sent Message. He remained like that for his first forty years. Revelation then came to Muhammad with the Qur'an that we now have between our hands. This Qur'an mentioned most of the accounts found in the previous scriptures, telling us about these events in the greatest detail as if he witnessed them. These accounts came precisely as they were found in the Torah sent down to Moses and in the Gospel sent down to Jesus. Neither the Jews or Christians were able to believe him regarding anything that he said.
Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) also foretold of everything that would occur to him and his community after him, pertaining to victory, the removal of the tyrannical kingdoms of Chosroes (the royal title for the Zoroastrian kings of Persia) and Caesar, and the establishment of the religion of Islam throughout the Earth. These events occurred exactly as Muhammad foretold, as if he was reading the future from an open book.

>>19220620
Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) also brought an Arabic Qur'an that is the peak of eloquence and clarity. The Qur'an challenged those eloquent and fluent Arabs of his time, who initially belied him, to bring forth a single chapter like the Qur'an. The eloquent Arabs of his day were unable to contest this Qur'an. Indeed, till our day, none has ever dared to claim that he has been able to compose words that equal-or even approach-the order, grace, beauty, and splendor of this Glorious Qur'an.
The life history of this Noble Prophet was a perfect example of being upright, merciful, compassionate, truthful, brave, generous, distant from all evil character, and ascetic in all worldly matters, while striving solely for the reward of the Hereafter. Moreover, in all his actions and dealings, he was ever mindful and fearful of Allah.
Allah instilled great love for Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) in the hearts of all who believed in and met him. This love reached such a degree that any of his companions would willingly sacrifice his (or her) self, mother or father for him. Till today, those who believe in Muhammad honor and love him. Anyone of those who believe in him would ransom his own family and wealth to see him, even if but once.
All of history has not preserved the biography of any person in the manner it has preserved the life of Muhammad, who is the most influential human in history. Nor has the entire Earth known of anyone whom every morning and evening, and many times thereafter throughout the day, is thought of by those who believe in him. Upon remembering Muhammad, the believers in him will greet him and ask Allah to bless him. They do such with full hearts and true love for him.

>>19220628
Nor has there every been a man on Earth whom is still followed in all his doings by those who believe in him. Those who believe in Muhammad, sleep in the manner he slept; purify themselves (through ablution and ritual washing) in the manner he purified himself; and adhere to his practice in the way they eat, drink, and clothe themselves.
Indeed in all aspects of their lives, the believers in Muhammad adhere to the teachings he spread among them and the path that he traveled upon during his life.

During every generation, from his day till our time, the believers in this Noble prophet have fully adhered to his teachings. With some, this has reached the degree that they desire to follow and adhere to the Prophet's way in his personal matters regarding which Allah has not sought of them to adhere to in worship. For example, some will only eat those specific foods or only wear those specific garments that the Messenger liked.

Let alone all that, all those who believe in Muhammad repeat those praises of Allah, special prayers, and invocations that he would say during each of his actions during day and night, like: what he would say when he greeted people, upon entering and leaving the house, entering and leaving the mosque, entering and leaving the bathroom, going to sleep and awaking from sleep, observing the new crescent, observing the new fruit on trees, eating, drinking, dressing, riding, traveling and returning from travel, etc. Let alone all that, all those who believe in Muhammad fully perform-even to the minute detail-every act of worship-like prayer, fasting, charity, and pilgrimage-as this Noble Messenger (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) taught and as he himself performed. All of this allows those who believe in him, to live their lives in all aspects with this Noble Messenger as their example, as if he was standing before them, for them to follow in all their doings.

>>19220635
There has never been nor will there ever be a man anywhere upon this Earth who has received such love, respect, honor, and obedience in all matters-small and large alike - as has this Noble Prophet.
Since his day, in every region of the Earth and during every period, this Noble Prophet has been followed by individuals from all races, colors and peoples. Many of those who followed him were previously Christians, Jews, pagans, idolaters, or without any religion. Among those who chose to follow him, were those who were known for their sound judgment, wisdom, reflection, and foresight. They chose to follow this Noble Prophet after they witnessed the signs of his truthfulness and the evidences of his miracles. They did not choose to follow Muhammad out of compulsion or coercion or because they had adopted the ways of their fathers and mothers.

>>19220641
Indeed many of the followers of this Prophet (may Allah's blessings peace be upon him), chose to follow him during the time when Islam was weak, when there were few Muslims, and when there was severe persecution of his followers on Earth. Most people who have followed this Prophet (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) have done so not to acquire some material benefits. Indeed many of his followers have suffered the greatest forms of harm and persecution as a result of following this Prophet. Despite all this harm and persecution, this did not turn them back from his religion. My brethren! All of this clearly indicates to anyone possessing any sense, that this Prophet was truly and really Allah's messenger and that he was not just a man who claimed prophethood or spoke about Allah without knowledge.
With all this, Muhammad came with a great religion in its creedal and legal make-up. Muhammad described Allah with qualities of complete perfection, and at the same time in a manner that is free of ascribing to Him any imperfection. Neither the philosophers or the wise could ever describe Allah like such. Indeed it is impossible to imagine that any human mind could conceive of an existing being that possesses such complete ability, knowledge, and greatness; Who has subdued the creation; Who has encompassed everything in the universe, small or large; and Who possesses such perfect mercy. Nor is it in the ability of any human being to place a perfect law based upon justice, equality, mercy and objectivity for all human activity on Earth like the laws that Muhammad brought for all spheres of human activity - like buying and selling, marriage and divorce, renting, testimony, custody, and all other contracts that are necessary to uphold life and civilization on Earth.

>>19220647
It is impossible that any person conceive wisdom, morals, good manners, nobleness of characters as what this honorable Prophet (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) brought. In a full and complete manner, Muhammad spread a teaching regarding character and manners toward one's parents, relatives, fiends, family, humanity, animals, plants and inanimate objects. It is impossible for the human mind alone to grasp all of that teaching or come with a similar teaching. All of that unequivocally indicates that this Messenger did not bring an) of this religion from his own accord, but that it was rather a teaching and inspiration that he received from the One Who created the Earth and the high heavens above and created this universe in its miraculous architecture and perfection.
The legal and creedal make-up of the religion that the Messenger, Muhammad, (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) brought resembles the engineering of the heavens and the Earth. All of that indicates that He who created the heavens and the Earth is the One Who sent down this great law and upright religion. The degree of inimitability of the Divine law that was sent down upon Muhammad is to the same degree of inimitability of the Divine creation of the heavens and Earth. For just as humanity cannot create this universe, in the same manner humanity cannot bring forth a law like Allah's law that He sent down upon His servant and messenger Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him).

>>19220628
Muslims are garbage, and your Muhammad is a child molesting idiot. Curse you and your kind.

http://www.islamawareness.net/Zoroastrianism/scriptures.html

The Zoroastrian Scripture:

Zoroastrianism, the common religion of ancient Persia is also known as Parsi-ism, Magainism, and Fire-worship. The religion itself finds its origins with the Prophet Zoroaster (Greek form of Zarathushtra) of whom little is known. Zoroastrians has been commonly described as a dualistic religion, with two principal gods—Ahura Mazda, the god of wisdom and goodness, and his adversary Angra Mainyu, the god of evil and wickedness. Additionally, there are six minor deities associated with Ahura Mazda who are manifestations of his various qualities. Research into the religion and early texts have discerned the true nature of the religion. Far from a dualistic or polytheistic tradition, Zoroastrianism, in its original form, can only be considered monotheistic. Farhang Mehr, a Zoroastrian, describes his religion in The Zoroastrian Tradition:

Believing in the basic tenets of monotheistic religions--the transcendence and eternity of the creator, revelation, God's message, and life after death with reward and punishment—Zoroastrianism must be classified as a monotheistic religion.

The Zoroastrian holy scriptures have changed over time. The Gathas were the original revelation, which Zoroaster delivered to his people. Only 5 books have survived. The scripture was first written in Gathic; a dead language which is reserved for few scholars only. Later Priests would add to the Gathas, in the Avestan language, to make up the rest of the Zoroastrian holy book, now known as the Avesta (or Zend Avesta). This book was translated by the conquering Sasanids into the Pahlavi tongue. What survives today is estimated to be only a quarter of the original 21 books of the Avesta.

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The excerpt displayed here is from a portion of the Avesta known as the Dadistan. The prophecy specifically contained in Sasan 1, verses 54-61:

When such deeds the Persians will commit, a man from among the Arabs will be born, from among the followers of whom, crown and throne, and kingdom and religion of the Persians all shall be overthrown and dissolute. And the arrogant people shall be subjugated. They will see instead of the house of idols and the temple of fire, the house of worship of Abraham without any idols in it; the Qibla. And they will be a mercy for the worlds and then they will capture places of the temples of fire, Madain or Ctesiphon, and of the surrounding places of eminence and sanctity, and their religious leader will be an eloquent man and his message or what he will say will be well connected.

The "sum and substance" of the prophecy can be stated that when the Zoroastrians forsake their religion and their deeds become unprincipled in ignorance, a man will arise in Arabia (a prophet), whose adherents will conquer the arrogant Persians and overrule them. They will turn from idolatry and fire-worship to worship at the House of God, the Ka'ba of Abraham, which will be cleansed of all idols. The followers of this Arabian Prophet will be a "mercy onto the world." This is also the title given to Prophet Muhammad in the Qur'an. The cohorts of this Arab Prophet will become the masters of Persia, Madian, Tus, Balkh, and neighboring territories. Their Prophet will be eloquent in speech and his message will be clear and logical (well connected).

>>19220652
false. may the curse of God be upon the fabricator.

>>19220664
Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of God be upon him) in Dasatir

The sum and substance of the prophecy mentioned in Dasatir is, that when the Zoroastrian people will forsake their religion and will become dissolute, a man will rise in Arabia, whose followers will conquer Persian and subjugate the arrogant Persians. Instead of worshipping fire in their own temples, they will turn their faces in prayer towards Kaaba of Abraham (pbuh) which will be cleared of all idols. They (the followers of the Arabian Prophet), will be a mercy unto the world. They will become masters of Persia, Madain, Tus, Balkh, the sacred places of the Zoroastrians and the neighbouring territories. Their Prophet will be an eloquent man telling miraculous things.

This Prophecy relates to no other person but to Muhammad (peace and blessings of God be upon him).

Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of God be upon him) will be the Last Prophet

It is mentioned in Bundahish chapter 30 verses 6 to 27 that Soeshyant will be the last Prophet implying that Muhammad (peace and blessings of God be upon him)will be the last Prophet. The Qur’an testifies this in Surah Ahzab. "Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things." Qur'an surah ahzab 33:40 [2]

>>19220666
Prophet Muhammad (peace & blessings of God be upon him)in Zend Avesta

It is mentioned in Zend Avesta Farvardin Yasht ch28 v129: "Whose name will be the Victorious, Soeshyant and whose name will be Astvat-ereta. He will be Soeshyant (The Beneficent one) because he will benefit the whole bodily world. He will be Astvat-ereta (he who makes the people, bodily creatures rise up) because as a bodily creature and as a living being he will stand against the destruction of the bodily (being) creatures to withstand the drug of the two footed brood, to withstand the evil done by the faithful (idolaters and the like and the errors of the Mazdaynians)". (Sacred Books of the East, vol23, Zend Avesta t II pg220)

This Prophecy applies to no other person more perfectly than it does to Muhammad (peace and blessings of God be upon him):
The Prophet was not only victorious at Fatah Makkah but was also merciful when he let go the blood thirsty opponents by saying: "There shall be no reproof against you this day".
Soeshyant means the ‘praised one’ (refer Haisting’s Encyclopedia), which translated in Arabic means Muhammad (peace and blessings of God be upon him).

Astvat-ereta is derived from the root word Astu which in Sanskrit as well as in Zend means ‘to praise’. The infinitive Sitaudan in present day Persian means praising. It can also be derived from the Persian root word istadan which would mean ‘one who makes a thing rise up’. Therefore Astvat-ereta means the one who praised, which is the exact translation of the Arabic word 'Ahmed' which is another name for Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of God be upon him). The Prophecy clearly mentions both the names of Prophet i.e. Muhammad (peace and blessings of God be upon him) and Ahmed (peace and blessings of God be upon him).

The Prophecy further says that he will benefit the whole bodily world and the Qur’an testifies this in [Qur'an 21:107]
"We sent thee not, but as a mercy for all creatures."

>>19220664
So Jehovah and Allah are both the same?

>>19219184
>He even rejects most of the Old Testament
this is not true.

Matthew 5:17-20
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
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you are thinking of Paul, who taught completely differently than Jesus peace be upon him and his disciples.

>>19220676
>So Jehovah and Allah are both the same?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-Q90xfnN14

Please watch this.

>>19220676
No Allah is something sandpeople worship, and because it is false they suffer at our will, fuck goats, and stink. Fuck all Muslims and their bacon eating, goat fucking faggot profits

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>>19220651
Islam was created by the Catholic Church, he knew the secrets of the mystery religion and wanted it for himself. The Saturn Cube in Mecca, that's very satanic.
Muhammed is just another fake Prophet, take the Christ Pill friend :) The truth fears no investigation, look fort he truth and you shall see the truth, the truth has always been Jesus Christ.

>>19220713
nope. Jesus is a faggot too.

>>19219184
If Yeshuah ben Yosef is the Saoshyant, then why didn't he initiate the Frashokereti from the peaks of Alborz?

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>>19220716
Seek the truth friend, I'm not a Muslim so I won't behead you for taking the Lord's name in vain. I only seek to help souls out. Look deep enough, all the illumanti is, it's the continuation of the mystery Religion of Babylon carried out in secert. They hate Jesus and Christians, all that is being done in the world is to destroy it.
Nothing good comes from being done in secert
> For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
>21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
John 3:20-21(KJV)

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>>19220664
>false

Aisha became one of Muhammad's wives at the age of 6 years old. Don't you feel ashamed lying about your religion?

>>19220729
There is no soul. You were born to social contracts that make no sense, and you caved to them out of weakness because it made your life easier. You are a coward, and your perspective is wrong.

>>19220734
I think they got engaged at 6 and married at 9. Makes you wonder why he was a pedophile, because he was a satanist, having sex with little girls and boys releases sexual energy or something.

I think the real Master (Jesus, Horus, Isa, the Lightbringer) had nothing to do with what christianity describes. I see it more of an ideal to strive torwards than something you can tangibly understand in human terms.

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>>19220744
I was an atheist for 20 years, literally rejected God. Life was honestly much easier before that but I felt like I was lacking something. Aceepting Jesus was honestly one of the hardest things I ever did in my life
>There is no soul
That's a Jewish trick my friend.

>>19220755
An ideal? They are orders for servants.

>>19220756
I am not an atheist. I detest ideology the same as I am repulsed by the retarded and sick.

Most humans are stupid. I work towards my own goals.

>>19220620
Please allow me to follow my own faith brother,

I really have a strong disliking for the evil force in the world, but at the same time I think the good force allows it to temper us into better people, or at least I hope so, I mean I haven't really met anyone from any other religion that I as a Christian didn't manage to get along with even Muslims though I have only met a few they all seemed to be chilled out and preached the peaceful part of the holy Quran, but I never really took on much of what they said, how ever mystery religion always sucks me in cause it just trash garbage and it sounds deep but it's all crap and I can't even stop myself.

>>19220758
I also believe this concept to some extent

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>>19220765
I agree, most humans are stupid after years of dumbing down the population with TV, food additives drugs and laziness.
True work toward your own goals, but know you cannot objectively decide what is right or wrong. If all morality is subjective, you can rationalize killing people for the greater good, it doesn't end does it.
>But every one knows killing is wrong
SO there must be some objective truth of morality either trough natural law or God or a shared social consinousness.
I wish you the best, and never stop looking for the truth.

>>19220788
Wish you the best back. It is free.

My morals are dictated by the realities of the moment and my applied intellect... not the warnings and babble of old dead people

>>19220765
But anon you're posting on 4chan which makes everyone who visits here an absolute retard.

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>>19220914
Some of the most smartest things I've ever heard came from 4chan. It is true anonymitiy(beside 4chan being a cia psy-op and they monitor you at all times (((captchas))) ) and free speech here, that attracts a certain type of person. Someone that just wants to speak thier mind or autisits/shitposters as well.