Summoning Goetia General

>>19172241
>Had a dream where i talked to Paimon under the watch of Michael
>Can Confirm it was really him
>Can explain some wild things in great detail
Wanna see what you guys think
Gimmie one person interested (who knows their shit) and ill post it
Ill be lurking.

>>19172400
Please go on

>>19172818
It started in a room strikingly similar to my own.
Maybe it just felt like it, it was somewhat different but i knew it was my room.
Speaking of, You know how in dreams you just know shit? Well, I just knew, that the dream WAS Saint Michael. The walls, the bed i sat on, the floor etc.
Anyway
I knew it was Paimon in this way.
We conversed strangely
There were notes that would appear on my wall written in black ink, i would watch the papers appear and watch the ink flow, but i didnt write back, i would speak with my feelings, and get a response on paper. Presumably to be safe. (I was inside Michael after all)
I only remember a single sentence from the notes.
Michael wiped my memory except for this one part, but i remember it being fairly civilized up to this point. I likely asked some questions about Goetia, how they are and how they work etc.
Maybe 9 or 10 notes in the ink was flowing normally but then it slowed down and it changed to bold ass red letters. It said and i quote: "If you want me to be your girlfriend and YOU CHEAT on me i will KILL you"
As soon as i was finished reading it, Michael cut the dream and i woke up at about 6am.
Probably not relevant but i went to bed around midnight.
Fucking batshit huh?
Demons.

>>19172818
Some background.
I'm 20 years old and have been a devout follower of God
>Non religious
>Follow the Jedi teachings bc i don't believe in religion
>Believe in Angels and Demons
>Believe God is Pantheistic

>>19172877
Been a devout follower of God my entire life******
Fuck me i should set Typo to my name
Literally every other post at least, i post a typo.

>>19172859
Sounds like just a dream to me

Anyway, just so everyone knows, the observance of the position of the planets, stars, and signs IS important, and will more often than not improve the potency of your working, but it IS possible to summon an entity on a day/time that is not traditionally "conducive" to that entity. A lot of it depends on how "good" you are, but there seems to be an aspect of luck involved. Even if you cannot wait for the planet s to be in the proper signs, maybe still try to do it on the day and hour of the planet in question. I have had great success while observing none of these things, for lack of time, but that's not the best way necessarily.

>>19172898
To my knowledge everything is incredibly variable
Magic is built on variables
Especially with a strong connection to God
I dare not cast though.
I am very strict with myself.

>>19172882
Nigga, there are quite a lot of gaps that make it seem like it was just a dream, not the least of which being that these things don't just slip into peoples' dreams to send meaningless messages...And, as far as these things can be said to have sex/gender, Paimon is a dude.

>>19172926
Well, each entity is tied to a planet, in the auspices of another planet and a sign. Timing the ritual accordingly adjusts the variables in the favor of the Operator.

>>19172241
Yo we're trying to summon Kek but need Orabas to show me how.

How do you summon Orabas?

>>19172940
This is the most accurate guide:

http://pastebin.com/HhU18gCW

Have fun being laughed at, though. You might as well ask how to procure "a ga-jillion dollars"

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>>19172931
I don't remember it for a reason, asshat
and, it's called The Madness, something demons have a severe case of. I'm sure half of /x/ is on their way to it.
>>19172938
Goetia follows me.
They are slaves to The Will anyway,
It was just a thing.
I'll end with that.
Peace off haters, lol
I know what I know.
Not directed at Anon 1
You logical bastard.

>>19172978
>I undoubtedly know it was this very specific entity, and couldn't have just been a dream due to a passing thought during the day
>How do you know?
>I JUST KNOW

No wonder these threads never get any traction.

>>19172940
I know this is a meme but, why?
Kek is the god of darkness and chaos, why would you want to deal with that shit

Anyone have experience summoning Lilith? Does she like sex?

>>19173031
Answers.

>>19172969
Anybody have any recordings/proof of this shit working? Also define a "crazy demand"
Is asking Orobas for a practical method of reversing entropy going too far?
Or what about asking for petty knowledge about the future? Not like the lottery, but technological advancements. Or the nature of the afterlife.

>>19173107
Just because they say Orobas is good for first-timers, doesn't mean he's a jack of all trades. Different entities serve different functions.

>>19173058
yes and yes but tell me do you have any clue who or even what she even is? first of all she is a lot older than the Jews make her out to be also to be quite frank she is somewhat of a monster and that's putting it lightly just google arachnida Lilith as that is just one of her aspects now before you get too freaked out she really is not as bad as some people have made her out to be and she is not hard to work with provided that your not trying to waste her time but you should not take lightly something that you have absolutely no understanding of

I did my first summoning last year but I want to try again. I attempted to summon Paimon and my candles began flickering but nothing happened after. What should I do differently

>>19173470
>yes and yes but tell me do you have any clue who or even what she even is?
Tell us who she really is and cite sources that validate your assertions.

>>19174150
Lilith is a feminist

>>19174185
>feminist
Females are a favorite target of Lilith. You should really research things you read on the internet a little more thoroughly before forming an opinion.

>>19172241
Are there any female demons?

>>19174357
Gorgon, Lilith

>>19174357
I hear Asmoday likes to appear as a female, if you like chicken legs

>>19174357
Demons aren't real, you know that right?

>>19174475
Demons are real just not the way you perceive them

>>19172241
What good experiences has everyone here had with working with ''bad'' Goetic demons, aka the ones that are considered to be malicious or evil.

Masonic filth

>>19175097
The only evil demons I have encountered were from oujia boards

>>19174112
Did you:
-Have extended experience (about a year) with the Lesser Pentagram and hexagram rituals on a daily basis, before attempting (Regardie recommends one year of daily LIRP and LBRP before even forming an *opinion* as to whether they work, how they work, etc.)
-Use The Bornless One, or some other general, preliminary invocation
-Use GRH keyed to the appropriate planet
-use censer, triangle, circle, wand, and all the other recommended implements, including the appropriate incense for the planets and sign associated with the entity
-Use the stronger and stronger conjurations from Goetia, as the instructions say to do, if you are not getting effects

?

>>19177178
>Have extended experience (about a year) with the Lesser Pentagram and hexagram rituals on a daily basis
Yes, just as the ancient Greeks did, we have to praise YHVH and vibrate his God-names for at least a year before we can even look upon the sigils of the Goetic Gods.

>>19177270
Well, for one thing, the ancient Greeks weren't doing Lemegeton work, ya tard. Also, you're more than welcome to ineptly blunder thru life without acquiring experience in the fundamentals before attempting the more complex, but good fukken luck

>>19177270
>being this dense about the functionality of the rituals
Let's guess, you're from Joy of Satan? /pol/? Nah, probably both.

>>19177273
>the ancient Greeks weren't doing Lemegeton work
lel the spirits they worked with are the same. Read jake stratton kent you noob

I come from a family where magic is present, but not talked about.
Two of my great grandmothers were bonesetters, one of them was known as vidma (the witch) in her ukrainian village. I know my mom also did some voodoo shit during her youth. So of course I inherited some sort of "powers". I feel strange at some places, as if I felt a building's soul. I have visions of the future in my dreams (most of the times for stupid irrelevant stuff) and I can cure muscle aches with my hand (and they produce so much heat when I do that)
Anyway, I have started to learn about Goetia in my late teens. I studied it for about two years and a half (book reading mainly) before I started practicing it.
I work mainly now with King Byleth. And in Goetia as in other forms of witchcraft the more you practice, the more you can "appropriate" the art. Witchcraft is neither good nor evil. It is what you do with it.

>>19177287
Cool, anon. It's really not good to work too much with one entity without balancing it out by, if not evoking other entities, at least invoking the proper elemental and planetary energies to balance out. you probably know this but it seemed important to say.

>>19177288
I also invoke elemental and planetary energies, don't worry. It's been more than 15 years since I've started Goetia. But I still learn about it.

>>19177282
That's a rather massive oversimplification.

The intonation structure is similar though the objects swapped. Lots of the Greeks were working ancestor spirits, some of which may have wound up in Lemegeton.

>>19177295
Good! Always there is something more to learn! It keeps us young!

>>19177282
Let's guess, now you're going to say that the ancient Greeks didn't do any prep work or development of fundamentals before learning evocation, right? They just hopped right out of the crib and into evocation!

>>19177312
What I'm saying is your fixation on GD recommendations that no one except total sycophantic cocksuckers took seriously is a hindrance to spiritual work.

Don't misguide people.

>>19177332
Then, instead of just bitching, what's your recommendation of experience needed prior to Goetic evocation? Or are you just here to shoot others down, while contributing nothing of substance but oversimplifications and shots at others for recommending what worked for THEM?

>>19177345
IMO, two things are absolutely necessary and need no debate. You need complete control of your mind (so you don't accidentally start thinking about butt-fucking your friend's gf) and have experience trancing.

1. what's the recommended resource on individual goetic demon info, in order to know who would be best to summon for particular purposes? is it encouraged to do experimentation? i know orobas is supposed to be "beginner's recommend" but beyond that, how do you begin to search for a meaningful or appropriate exchange beyond "oh this ones nice"

2. also do you have to believe in a traditional god? i'm aware faith in "something" is necessary obviously, but is there anyone w experience who doesn't put stock in a divine paternal force? what if you're more into religious naturalism?

>>19177374
You're REALLY beginning to sound like a butthurt contrarian with nothing of value to contribute to the conversation. Feel free to prove me wrong.

Also, please use citations for your assertion that:
>extensive experience with the rituals, in order to lead to a complete understanding of them and their functionality, as well as imprinting them upon one's ruach

Is a "hindrance" to spiritual progress.

You should also probably learn the difference between "sycophant" and "initiate.' This will help you later on when you're allowed at the adults' table.

>>19177460
>you need to suck this many cocks before you can graduate to the next degree
I'm so fucking humbled at your authority.

My sycophant comment couldn't be more accurate it seems.

Tried this once but got no results. Did it as legit as possible too, at the right hour of the day, saying all the mouthfuls in order etc. Mostly felt self-conscious and struggled to focus on the ritual without looking for signs.

So, are there any shortcuts for people with legitimate turbo-ADHD? I've heard that subjecting yourself to intense physical pain can boost magic attempts and also that trying to mirror their personalities can make them really want to come to you.

>>19177517
Lack of capacity for the Work on your part =/= giving a shit on my/our part.

Still waiting for the evidence to support your claims. Unless, of course, you were talking out of your ass like you have done for the rest of your posts.

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>>19175162
>he doesn't have any handshakes or codewords
enjoy never getting anywhere

>>19177600
>evidence of you claims
You mean you want me to quote an occult e-celeb who writes 5/10 "scholarly" books but hardly ever commits to the actual practice.

I'll give you my opinion, which is I have no doubt more valuable than yours. "Inscribing" Hebrew God-names on your "ruach" is dangerous and and stupidly naive for a gentile. If you want more, my boner hasn't blown one in 7 days.

>>19177629
You could cite any one of the numerous historical books on the topic, or continue talking out your ass. I'm sure only the JoS trash you subscribe to is considered relevant, and centuries of scholarship on the matter don't count for anything, right? Clearly your opinion is more valuable to you than all the combined research and extensive scholarly breakdowns of the matter, based on literally thousands of years of experience.

>>19177629
>That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

>>19177645
Ok, this is getting tiresome.

Go ahead and vibrate "Adonai" over and over. I don't care. You're like the chick who cuts herself.

>>19177374
>2017
>not EXCLUSIVELY thinking about buttfucking your friend's GF during Lemegeton
It's like you don't know how to get what you want.
Also:
>2017
>Not actually buttfucking your friend's gf in the middle of ritual because your friend's a vanilla fuccboi and she wants the learn the Inner Secrets of sex magick

>>19177664
Getting tiresome making assertions and backing them with nothing more than your feelpinion? Or tiresome acting like you're better than someone else because they are actually initiated into actual systems with actual lineages, while you sit around wiping Andre Herrington's ass?

Because, what's tiresome for me is, you talking out your ass.

>>19177670
Oh man. The first time I summoned, I literally couldn't get porn shots out of my head.

I was so fucking embarrassed. I literally started meditating solely so that shit NEVER happens again.

>>19177693
>93

>not using truffle butter as anointing oil

>>19177584
You have to REALLY familiarize yourself with each and every aspect of each and every ritual utilized in the evocation. For instance, it took me about a month or more of studying The Bornless One, learning what is happening in each step, memorizing it, and utilizing it as a rite in and of itself for some period after that, before attempting any work with the Goetia. Basically, it can be OK to read your conjurations or whatever from a page, but you should have all the invoking and banishing aspects by heart and committed to memory, as well as fully understanding them. Some people think they will just read what it says, and that by outwardly following all the directions, they will have success. Most modern Grimoire commentaries make it very clear that this is NOT the case.

>>19177703
>truffle butter
ape pls these are not the arcane mysteries i wanted revealed to me

>>19174357
People have reported seeing Bune take form of a woman

>>19177714
is there a reason to spam LilUziVert everywhere?

>>19177879
fun fact
you can ask demons to take the form of a woman if you want. They won't give a fuck most of the time haha. Orias is known for tempting men to have sex in female form

>>19178317
Interesting, some demons are known for just taking form of any gender right?

>>19178317

Gremory guy from last week here

do not recommend

>>19180142
I'm really disappointed I inspired this whole "dreams of demons" thing. Don't follow the temptation to pursue their contact with you. they will possess you, and you will have a physical convulsive experience when they leave

>>19178388
pretty much.
just guess it amounts to if they feel like trappin any particular day.

Are there any simple goetia summoning rites for someone willing to take a risk in desperate circumstances?

>>19180142
why???

>>19174475
They are very real.

>>19177122
That's because oujia boards are essentially gateways for literally anything to come through. Unfiltered and unrestrained with nothing to bind them.

Whereas Ceremonial Magick is about control and focus.

tfw you go on a board to look at spooky pictures and find people wholeheartedly trying to summon demons and egyptian gods

>>19181567
>do what I say or I will burn your sigil!
Great way to make friends.

>>19181756
The fucking board is called Paranormal. Not "Spooky Pictures".

>>19172241
Going to test this book tonight. Summoning Orabas, recording the "encounter" to see if you guys can be labeled larpers or not.

>>19184753
Please keep us posted anon

>>19184753
pls ask him to help me get a gf

>>19185056
About to start setting up now and no I will not. If this even works, which it will not, I'm going to ask pretty simple questions that are irrefutably paranormal in knowledge given. Not absurd like the lottery numbers since that's probably a big request, but something like a New York Times news headline from Sunday. I'll post it here tonight and then you'd have a full 48 hours before such a headline were to appear.

>>19185106
Well when you summon a Demon you gotta break the ice first. So mention to him that there's a guy on /x/ who needs a gf.

>>19172241
Full link to the English Goetia?

>>19185141
Valid point. Every magician knows this.

Has anyone here ever worked with Gremory or Sitri before?

>>19185106
You're really doing it by the book, huh? Just like it says in the Goetia
>Be sure to post about this on an Inuit Throat singing vBulletin
>Go into the operation full of incredulity and certainty of failure
>Make sure you have no prior experience with any of this
>ask for something incredibly arbitrary
>Make sure it's nothing you need *or* deserve
>Be a huge fag about the whole thing

The Goetia notes that this last step is absolutely crucial

>>19185500
bump for Gremory...

>>19185500
Everybody seems to be obsessed with Gremory. Is it because this is an anonymous camel hair knitting forum full of virgins, and Gremory is the only one of the Lemegeton entities listed as being female?

Also, what do you plan to ask if someone says they *have* worked with Gremory or Sitri?

>>19187257
>pls gib gf

>>19184753
Never summon anything without intent or goal. Never perform an evocation just to "see if it works". You have to have a purpose.

>>19185106
>If this even works, which it will not

You deserve what you are going to be given.

I know this is goetia but can OP's guide be used for other spirits like hekate or Apollo?

>>19187529
OP's guide really is pretty shit, to be honest. One link is really terrible, the other is meh but incomplete, anyway. The best "how-to" guide outside of the original text is probably this one:

http://pastebin.com/HhU18gCW

And na, different entities/systems typically have different summoning protocols.

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>>19187529
absolutely not.

>>19187622
Thanks. OP tried but his stuff wasn't any good.>>19187257

She is unique and probably perceived as less scary, though anons should not take her lightly at all...

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As far as experiences go...I have had experience with Prince Stolas, Gremory, King Paimon. I tried to no avail to contact Phenex and Camio.

I have posted extensively about my experiences in threads where I was the OP but it get's frustrating because nobody else ever contributes actual experiences in return. There was a really cool anon that discussed his personal interactions with Zagan and Beleth which was enormously appreciated.

Ape of Thoth never discusses his actual Goetia encounters that I have seen. It would be really interesting to read about his encounters.

>>19187725
By "experiences" do you mean evocation, or dreams and other goofy shit like what 90% of these threads always are?

>it get's frustrating because nobody else ever contributes actual experiences in return

Hear ya there. a lot of the people who come to these seem too lazy to actually learn how to work this system, and so come around with their hand out, perhaps to live vicariously thru others.

>>19187699
Jokes aside, what would be a good offering for her to help me get a qt gf?

>>19187734
Yes exactly. While I too have had contact in dreams with Gremory and Asteroth I don't consider them in the same class as the times I have evoked them to physical appearance and received audible responses.

The anons that want to live vicariously through hearing about my or others evocations, I can only encourage them to put in the work and successfully perform thier own evocation.

It is a hundred times more thrilling.

>>19187810
I have had success with offering pretty stones and jewelry. Flowers and wine please her as well.

She prefers darker wines and pugnent flowers.

>>19187810
See 777 or Complete Magician's Tables.

>>19187835
What do you do with the stones/jewelry, exactly?

>>19187848
I verbally dedicate them to her and place them on her shrine under her sigil.

>>19187896
Oh? But, like, what do you do with them afterwards? I'm asking because, with alcohol you either let it evaporate or drink it for them, with food you let it decay, with precious metals you engrave their seal and store it somewhere, but not sure I follow how the jewelry and stones end up?

>>19187896
Wait, you have a SHRINE dedicated to a Lemegeton entity?

>>19187954
2

>>19188281
WHY?

>>19188376
:-}

>>19188376
It displays your devotion to them. It provides a place to focus energy for them. If its public it spreads thier reknown.

Finally it is ancient tradition to maintain an altar or shrine...

Hail Gremory!

>>19188624
Fair enough. Doesn't seem like a great idea to become devoted to these things, but ok. To each their own. What do you do to balance out the planetary influence of having this thing around all the time, though?

>>19185056
kys

>>19188642
may I first ask out of genuine curiosity why you seem a bit put off by the Goetics?

They are not "things" but powerful and sentient beings.

>>19188654
They are "entities" entities are things. They certainly are *not* people. It's just my preferred manner of reference. I try not to anthropomorphize them too much, like some people will say "he" or "she" but they're not really male or female in any normal sense of the word. they're ok. great, even. Not evil, which a lot of people same to think. But they certainly don't subscribe to the same standards of 'morality' (if such a thing can be said to exist objectively) as most humans do. I have worked with a few of them. Of course it depends on which ones ya work with, but they can be difficult, rebellious, etc.

>>19188624
but building all 72 alters to become the magical poke master is too much work even for the most powerful of trainers senpai

>>19187257
I was going to ask them what she desires/accepts as an offering,

>Is it because this is an anonymous camel hair knitting forum full of virgins, and Gremory is the only one of the Lemegeton entities listed as being female?
presumptuous much.

>>19172241
Gaylord of Fistus

>>19188686
It's been listed elsewhere that 777 and Complete Magician's Tables should give you more than enough to work with, in addition to the original texts. Love how everyone just wants shit handed to them in one hand while somebody holds their other hand.

>>19187734
Alright I will contribute here

I summoned Gusion one time to help me out with a chick but I summoned him everyday for about a week so he got mad at me and appeared before me as a shadowy gorilla during the night while I was zoning in and out of consciousness.

He made me suck him off while he looked at me disapprovingly true story 100%

>>19188663
Fair enough anon. If you perform the banishing correctly usually there arent issues with them lingering.

could you share which you have worked with and your experiences? Thanks.

>>19188705
Just meant that working with one entity repeatedly = working with the 'energies' of one planet repeatedly. Do you just balance it out via LRH? Or something more extensive?

Orobas
Seere
Paimon
Bael

Are the only entities from the Goetia tradition that I've worked with

>>19187835
What kinda of stones did you give her exactly?

Any of you get any interesting manifestations during the Evocation?

>>19188776
Yes. My very first one, doubt was slowly seeping in, so I launched into the next conjuration, knowing the Preliminary Invocation and Invocation of the Planet had gone off without a hitch, almost as close to perfect as it could have been, and about 1/3 of the way through I got a sort of 'sixth sense" feeling that someone had entered the room and was waiting for me to shut up. Lo and behold, Orobas! So I ad libbed a quick ending to the conjuration and finished the operation with great success. Not only was the incense smoke going in all kinds of crazy directions in a hot, stagnant room, but there were definite black-ish vapors within AND without the triangle.

Now, some non-Goetic workings I have done have produced even more remarkable and lingering results.

>>19188692
>don't dare ask about personal experiences with summoning
>just re-read the same two paragraph passage you've practically memorized
Cancer.

>>19188719
Ah good point.

would love to learn about your dealings with Bael.

I am apprehensive of him Amon Asmodeus Asteroth and Valac. They all seem a bit...risky?

>>19188815
go away cranky pants

>>19188815
If you've memorized 777 you shouldn't need to ask the question in the first place. you're not asking for "personal experience with summoning," you're asking what *you* should give a certain entity as an offering. And I have told you, twice now, exactly where to find that information. But it's so much easier to be spoonfed.

>>19172241
Pro Tip, don't do this.

Anyone give me some help on getting rid of one of these demons? It is haunting my sleep and I cannot go to bed without being attacked in the strangest of ways. Please serious replies needed.

>>19188996
I didn't ask the question. I just don't like the attitude that some uber-cunts seem to have.

>>19189020
which one? it would help in giving advice...

>>19189079
Marbas

>>19189029
Re-read your post, then realize how stupid you sound, k? You said the anon was asking to hear about personal summoning experiences, when that is CLEARLY not what they were asking. It gets obnoxious when people CONSTANTLY ask questions, repeatedly, that they could find the answers to in less time than it takes them to post and bitch about not getting any replies. You, and people who never do their homework, seem to be the only people who don't understand that.

>>19189169
ok so its a given that the banishments were performed PROPERLY?

Have you communicated audibly with him?

>>19189257
Yes in a dream like- wakeful state. I have a hella scar on my shoulder from where my skin turned into a hole full of puss and the doctor said it almost could have gotten to my heart. Day or two after the ritual, over a year ago now, got into a car crash that didn't make any sense, the driver pressed the brakes and the car just kept going into the one ahead of it. Have had TV's and lights turn on and off and computers start playing really loudly randomly.

The sleep thing is new, I see strange things, even for an expirenced lucid and vivid dreamer, and I feel my physical body as if I am not asleep. Today I had something digging a finger into my throat causing discomfort and these strange waves move through me that have made me feel very weird since waking. I am essentially unable to sleep at night.

>>19189169
Marbas isn't even that big a deal. Sounds more like regular nightmares, anon. 'He' has been known to appear in the dreams of the ill, before they wake up feeling better, after being commanded to do heal that person by the exorcist.

>>19189280
>thing is new, I see strange things, even for an expirenced lucid and vivid dreamer, and I feel my physical body as if I am not asleep. Today I had something digging a finger into my throat causing discomfort and these
All you should have to do is standard LBRP=LBRH, and if it persists, GBRH keyed to the appropriate planet.

>>19189283
Yea but I really fucked up the whole ritual process, like I got his fucking attention. See above, my skin in my shoulder had a hole that was about the diameter of a dime and went deep into the skin, it was like a tunnel system in there, and I had two of these on the front and back of my shoulder, looks like a bullet wound now.

>>19189301
Unless we can identify a motive that doesn't make much sense. These things aren't actively hostile, for the most part...in what way did you fuck up the ritual? btw it's not like they get mad at you/attack you if you don't do the ritual properly.

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>>19189316
I did all the "don't"s, but putting that aside, a new thought that came to mind is that I tried to curse a doctor.
>>19189291
Thank you, will try tonight.

Unrelated, in my younger years I saw a demon as clear as day, perched on my desk like a gargoyl. It had a beak and a large penis. His hands were maybe up by his head, looked like pic related but with a 9-12 inch penis and no wings. He appeared to me after A giant smoke blob thing. Never been able to identify them. Would appreciate some help since these things were solid as day, haven't even seen something that real on LSD or shrooms or any of the other various drugs I have taken.

A couple of months ago I evoked Seere for help with a project I'm following. I gave him a deadline to prove that the change I asked for will happen but he didn't deliver (the proof). However the project gives monthly updates so it wasn't supposed to happen right away.
I asked for two things, one of them has surprisingly come true last week. I'm starting to believe that he might actually fulfill my request.

>>19189492
Samefag here. What I want to do now is to find a way to re-confirm that he's actually planning to fulfill my request. Evoking isn't really possible lately so is there another way to get in contact with him? I read before about astral projecting and asking his respective angel to get you in contact, but does that even work?

>>19189252
I am original anon I've looked through tons of goetia books and they say that she is a duke and wants copper and sandalwood incense HOWEVER... I've been reading on the internet conflicting things that Gremory likes.

Some people say she likes wine others don't
This guy in the thread says she likes stones I was asking him what kind of stones.

I've been skimming through the 777 magican table and it is confusing as fuck to read and the only thing I got from it was that she is a Venusian spirit which I already know, really and nothing more.

>>19189301
do all proper banishments
if it ain't LBRP
its LARP
and these entities will have you RIP

>>19189316
depending on who it is, yes they can.
do remember a silver ring is to be worn to protect from hellfire.

>>19189526
Well, when did you ask for the proof? The text states that you should ask for proof, giving them a reasonable amount of time to work, and if they don't deliver that proof in a timely manner, you should evoke again and issue the ultimatum. Interesting, just did some work with Seere two nights ago.

>>19189535
>aren't hostile FOR THE MOST PART
>if it ain't LBRP its LARP
This used to be my opinion too, but it's false. Plenty of traditions have effective banishings. Otherwise, how would anyone in the East or Pacific islands or Africa ever have been able to work with spirits?

>>19189546
Is Seere really indifferent to most of our wants needs desires motivations...it is stated he doesn't really have a moral compass for things human related

>>19189590
Most of these entities are indifferent to that sorta thing. hence why you need to summon them via elaborate ritual and trap them inside a triangle while you give them orders and threaten to destroy them. The thing that distinguishes Seere and a few others is, they will act on your request to bring wealth to the poor as easily and well as they will act on your request to reveal the last $100 worth of gold that a poor man has so you can steal it from him.

My last working I was SO tempted to ask 'him' to kill somebody, but revised my "charge to the spirit" shortly before the ritual. Still might go that route if necessary, but thinking about the repercussions gave me a terrible sense of dread. And I'm not Christian or anything

>>19189557
Yea i've read about LBRP in the past, but never used it. I have successfully banished demons before. I am thinking it is probably time for me to do this. Any tips for a first timer? Do i have to memorize it? I have some materials, but anything I should get before doing this, I have 3 days free to deal with this problem.

Sucks I think this ritual I did backfired on me. I have had more success with subtle magic that almost takes place without even noticing. Reality manipulation type stuff, like guiding the future in the direction I will. Any tips are appreciated.

>>19188719
Can you share your experience with Seere?

>>19189610
How did you even do the ritual if you don't know the banishing rituals? When I evoke, the only reading I do is the conjuration and charge to the spirit. Everything else is memorized. I do it thusly:
LBRP
LBRH
The Bornless One
GIRH
Then the process laid out in the grimoire
THEN
LBRP
LBRH

>>19189557
This is a very good point

>>19189546
I think I wasn't Too reasonable with how fast I asked for the proof, considering that the project updates monthly and I asked for a huge change.

I know I should have probably evoked again but I couldn't bring myself to do it, plus it's a bit hard to get the space to do it lately. I thought I should mark it as a failed attempt, suck it up and move on.

However since then he fulfilled one of my two requests so now I want to contact him again to ask why I didn't get the proof etc. Again though, I can't evoke so I'm looking for alternatives.

What's your experience with him?

Are there any Demons that can help you have a person fall in love with you?

>>19189590
With me he was indifferent, but that's the whole point of evocation. You trap them, but also you offer them things they might like in return for a favor. His reaction to my desire was more or less like "this is dumb but alright, I can do this".

This will depend on the final outcome though.

>>19189623
I use my own blend of chaos magic taking from things that I have found work, and trying to discard the parts that I see as impure or 'wrong'. It usually works well.

>>19189637
Of course. Because even assuming any of this worked I'm 100% certain that there are demons whose biggest concern is making sure some random dude gets laid.

>>19189608
I'm very interested in your information thank you.

I'm glad you didn't do that it seems like that is some sort of invisible line so to speak.

Can we actually harm them? What do they get from us say if it's not a coercion?

Do you conversate on a personal level or is it all business?

>>19189636
Maybe the problems you are experiencing are the"proofs"?

>>19189557
other spirits do not pertain to the Goetia.
Whatchu talking bout willis?
in recorded history the pentacle was handed to Solomon and these rituals were established around it to control these particular entities.

Of course there are other banishments that could work, but people need some solid direction right now. not some maybes

>>19189659
Maybe one of them is a pretty cool guy?

>>19189636
Asking for proof is doubting the magic, not a good idea.
>>19189656
>>19189623
The reason I don't like LBRP and the like is I have a rule to NEVER invoke or refer to angels in any way, they will fuck your shit up, and I don't think it's wise to use the lords name while practicing sorcery.

I was on a pretty balanced path before this shit happened, now I am worried about my eternal soul and the fact that revelations is coming true.

>>19189686
The first time I got laid I walked over 5 miles to my girlfriends house in the dead of night. I was raised Christian and believed what i was doing was wrong. When I got there I prayed to God to tell him that I was sorry. Then I talked to the Devil and told him that that night was for him, that his world had forced me into this position, because if I didn't get laid I knew I would hate myself for it for the rest of my life.

Pro-tip, the woman is the demon, you don't need a second one in the equation.

>>19189670
It's not a "problem", just that my brother and nephews are staying over so I don't have any place to do it. And the proof I asked for had to be relevant to the subject.

>>19189695
>Asking for proof is doubting the magic, not a good idea.
Yeah this is why I didn't give up on him even though he didn't give the proof. It's just that the project is about to end in less than a year, so honestly I don't have enough time to stall waiting for my request to actually happen. So if Seere doesn't fulfill it, I'll probably have no time to evoke someone else for it.

>>19189717
that's just retarded christian bullshit.
Women are demons?
ha you just suck at life

>>19189738
Hmmm I see.

I have read an anecdotal story about Marbas being a bit difficult but I personally stay away from the Lions

>>19189751
KYS

>>19189771
after you miss,
Please tell us again how hiving premarital sex is the devil and you can only do it when you tell the devil to brofist you and you are so cool and edgy.
Totally related to summoning.
Tell me. Who is this devil you speak of?
what is his name? devil is not an actual name, you know. Now I know it won't say that in your sunday school books but there is not one central demon.

>>19189771
Show some respect for a respected member of this community anon without people like him /x/ would mutate into what /b/ is now.

>>19189860
lol I have as much respect as a broken condom.
thanks for the thought, though :3

>>19189860
Totally...oh wait.

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So we heard some about Gremory and Prince Seere, how about the anon who stated he works with Bael and Paimon?>>19189842

>>19189842
Lucifer the Fallen Angel is the first to be cast out of Heaven. The others that followed him make up his armies.

>>19189978
see
>>19187725
and 4plebs

(also that is morbid af f a m)

>>19189995
What is the point of saying "devil watch me cuck you!"
why not mention Lucy?
or old Satan?
so many demons, fallen angels, spirits and more.
what about all the demons before your scriptures?

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>>19190013
Thanks OG.

I don't think anyone ever works with Botis or Haagenti. I have never heard them mentioned in any threads.

>>19190048
I think at the time I did say 'satan'

But I don't think you understand where I was coming from. I was admitting defeat to the devil, I was knowingly committing a sin, losing my virginity is something I could not go back on, it would be gone forever. I did it for myself and worldly gains, not to glorify god. I also told the girl I loved her and broke up the next day, started fucking other girls soon after. I have stopped having sex now and try not to jerk off. Mainly Ankh now.

>>19190048
I have a question for you. If you believe in these demons, that come from Christianity, then no doubt you believe they stand opposed to God. So in the bible it says sorcerers go to hell, does this worry you, and what are your thoughts on this?

I don't think you can say "well the demonology magic works, but the other side of the coin is just made up bullshit." Thats sort of a cop out. Plus you call upon angels and God in the LBRP.

My thinking on the matter goes deep into years of study, that God is probably a Grey being, containing all, and that all entities are part of him/nature, so it's not really demons but sort-of like devices that you can use to effect the world.

>>19190108
grey as in light/dark, not alien grays

>>19190093
yet the question remains.
relevance? still sounds like a naughty little guilt trip in fantasia

>>19190108
my thoughts on hell are I don't give a damn.
I have my own views and opinions with little relevance to this thread. A means to an end my boy. If the end is to be mine, so be it, but I shall at least have my way.

If you are implying what I think you are implying. It makes little difference between summoning demons or angels through this method.
Mainly the end goal would be what matters.
Namely what you are attempting to accomplish.
If this truly has been placed in our hands by a god, then it is another tool.

Moreover, the entities here can also be met with other methods.
So there are many things going on here at once.

>>19190179
It's all relevant anon. These threads get archived and our conversation adds to the body of knowledge for other anons researching.

I googled Prince Stolas and a thread I had posted my experiences with evoking him came up.

I'm an obsessive collector of knowledge.

>>19190179
Theron Ware is that you????

>>19190251
dunno who that is, dood

>>19190241
Whatever floats your mystic boat

Any of y'all talked to Camio? What's he like?

The first record of any of these demons is the 1700's so are they independent of Christianity? Why is there no older mention of any of them anywhere?

Has anyone taken photos or proved they summoned something? Gotten knowledge about the future or an answer about creation?

someone should summon astaroth

>>19190577
Feathered

>>19190645
>of
Orrrrr you can cunt

>>19172241
are you teliing me i can have this nigga in my living room

>>19190909
yes

THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU
THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU

>>19172400
I have had several very strong experiences with Paimon who first came to me unbidden in a dream years ago when I'd never heard of him. I woke up and said the name out loud, when I looked it up I had seen exactly the description of the spirit in one of the most vivid experiences of my life. Last year he came to me again when I asked him, this led to the strangest series of events I've ever experienced over several days. When I 'woke up' (because I realised I had been awake anyway) my girlfriend called me and told me about the most intense frightening dream where we stood in a circle and a huge figure made of smoke demanded I walk through it, she said it wrote PAIMON in fire above its head.

At the time I was completing a graphic novel with an occult/horror theme and I wanted help and I believe Paimon helped me in exchange for what I gave him.

>>19187725
Ape of thoth never discusses any actual experience about anything, just gives hot opinions and demands you respect his authority.

What are some things demons wanted in return for a deal?

>>19192363
>never discusses any actual experience about anything
Lel.

>>19192363
>demands you respect his authority
Asking for citations or actual evidence to support an assertion=/=wielding false authority. you sound like one of these people who thinks that, because this is a paranormal board, you just get to make shit up and invent a new version of reality.

>>19190643
>so are they independent of Christianity?
they are independent of any actual religious writings

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>>19177703
u pig fucker

Want to summon demon to help get an ex back. How do?

>>19194973
Ugh just get over them, they're not worth it. Do you really want someone who doesn't love you anymore?

>>19194982
I think they do still love me.

>>19195004
So then why aren't they with you

You guys are going to get hurt from your demon pals

Abaddon came to me the night my my son was born and the last I remembered wa a voice saying "abaddon wishes to speak with you" and this was before I ever even heard that name.
I never tried to summon him or contact him but I've wondered what he's had to say

>>19193687
kys

>>19195211
Abaddon is considered an Angel by many tho.
Supposedly the oid that consumes all for god.

Being called by an entity is pretty cool.
It can change your whole life, but can also show you things you aren't prepared for.

>>19193687
writings amount to observation and imagination.
without the texts we wouldn't know about the phenomena.

>>19195693
How would I go about summoning him. So is it the same as summoning a goetic?

>>19195980
I believe there is a sigil of him out there and the proper ritual procedures as well.

>>19195168
Why? Demons are really nice

So I had a strange dream last night, and I think one of these demons is trying to contact me.

I was dreaming about being in some town, in which everyone acted very strangely, like they knew me but I didn't know them, and when conversing with someone, I heard and said a name of a demon. Then, back at my own house, upon looking out of my backyard, I saw all the stars in the night sky rearranging on their own and I was terrified. The stars moved one by one and more started moving. They jagged in all directions, before all sliding down on their own and disappearing, so the sky was just blank with no stars. Then, dark, transparent basic shapes began gliding across the sky. Like a diamond shape, and then what looked like a plane. As if they were transparent black shadows.

I have no idea what this means. I looked it up after I woke up and the name I heard and said was "Vassago".

>>19174475
ohh they are indeed real and right here

What did you asked for when you summoned something?
What did you get?

>>19172877
>devout follower of God
>>Non religious
>>Follow the Jedi teachings bc i don't believe in religion
How does that even work.

Completely serious question, Biblically speaking, does doing this successfully entail any time spent in hell

Trying to hedge my bets

>>19197899
Most will say yes, the bible mostly points toward yes...but then again, King Solomon Himself is said top have done loads of work with them.

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I made a deal with a demon once. Things got pretty weird after that.

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>>19197908
Right.. but some magicians and whatnot repented and it was hunky-dory, no? And Solomon lost God's favour once he started worshiping the pagan gods iirc, but who knows what happened.

Are there any sort of loopholes or "safe" entities I can deal with, because I'd really prefer not to go to hell, but also sort of reverse the fortune in my life.

(what literally is hell, other than a place of "gnashing of teeth"? I know it's probably not the contemporary depiction)

>>19197934
Hell isn't even scriptural, anon. What I should have said is that the bible points toward yes RE: not having favor with God, not going to heaven, or...something The modern conception of Hell, both as 'a place you go when you die' and all the experiences implied therein, comes from two places: The Divine Comedy by Dante Allighieri, And Paradise Lost by Milton. Not a Christian, myself.

>>19197915
such assss?

>>19197934
my exact dillema anon!

maybe if you dont worship them and dont ask for inherently bad things?

my hopes at least

>>19197088
kys

>>19197964
He locked my sister in a mostly impenetrable bubble with the power of of making her wildest dreams come true so she never wanted to leave aforementioned bubble even when I tried to rescue her.

>>19198106
well fuck you got it solved?

>>19196904
Vassago usually doesnt frighten people. will you evoke him?

>>19198092
Why? Make me faggot

>>19198106
>legamegadongery at its finest folks

>>19198533
if you dont realize how useless your post was and how insignificant you and your dullard thought process are its even sadder honestly

kys

>>19198592
>kys
>make me faggot
i bet your dad can totally beat up his dad amirite?

>>19198602
correct

now kys as well

>>19198106
would have raped. did you?

>>19198634
not if my dad makes you kys first ya faglord lol

>>19189751
fuck you waste of air

>>19198688
your dad is gonna be so pissed when he finds out you used the eff word lol

>>19198709

kys

>>19198753
lols

>>19198686
unlikely since he is occupied cumming in your ass.

>>19189717
you are part of the reason that an anti-christ will come about. because real devils are gentlemen and it is only going to take one to sooth the broken heart of who ever they have hand picked out. Thank you for being the cancer that plagues this earth and apparently thank you for helping the devils agenda.

Is it possible to ask Asmodeus for a favour without doing the who evocation ritual? I need to ask him something relatively quick. I'm not concerned about it possibly being dangerous.

>>19199325
*without doing the whole evocation ritual

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>>19198688

>>19199325
Absolutely not anon

He needs very specific procedures

>>19198877
KYS

>>19187216
Lmao underrated

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lets say i wanna summon echs, how would I go about this?

Who do I credit for "the ceremonies" in the Bornless One?

>>19199325
Yes, but I doubt he will help you. If you're asking a Demon for a favor, you should show some respect and that you actually care.

>>19200027
That's easy, just play or watch a nostalgic videogame or a bootleg movie at night