Dulce, New Mexico

>>19163583
>Look
>Listen
All airports.

>>19163590
Denver all over again?

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What is the common use of these things?

>>19163583
Why was Phil Schneider murdered..?

natives try not to go out alone there and only during the day

asked once why

native man said, "if you dont hear the night insects, its too late"

never saw anything strange when i passed through and idk if its aliens but something has people on edge

>>19163621
>Why was Phil Schneider murdered..?

Because the alien's laser gun didn't finish the job.

Who was the guy that Nixon took to one of the military bases and showed all of the aliens in incubation tubes or whatever?

>>19163628
Here's a hot take, do you think the government purposely puts natives in shitty reservations and secretly makes sure drug and alcohol addictions there are a major problem so they live in squalor, just so when they say stuff like this (or about big foot, or other aliens, or the hundreds of other paranormal stories all of these people talk about) no one will take them seriously because "lol u drunk indian go play on the rez's casino"?

>>19163619
Those are made to drill tunnels, right?

>>19163583
>Was this the reason they canceled UFO Hunters?
did they ever actually air that episode?

>>19163638
So was he actually telling the truth?

>>19163683
Who? Phil or the Native?
Honestly the entire thing behind Phil's death and the entire "alien" incident is pretty suspect. Have you seen his actual wounds? The one on his chest looks more like a surgical scar than anything, but.. I don't know. If it wasn't for his mysterious death, I would have written it up as someone just pulling a joke.

>>19163583
>animal/human hybrid experiments.
not real

angel universe would kill everyone

>>19163755
>angel universe
What?

>>19163740
Yeah i meant Phil, his story sounded like a bad science fiction movie, but why the fuck was he found dead days later after talking about it?

>>19163799
His death sells it for me, too.
>They told his ex-wife it was a stroke and wouldn't let her see the body.
>Changed their story to a suicide, even though there was no note and he was literally telling people "If I ever commit suicide, it means I've been murdered".
>Everything related to Dulce, aliens, or his lectures was stolen from his apartment, but not any of the money or gold he had.
>Coroner didn't even do all of the proper tests on the body because he "didn't want to waste money on a suicide".

Also according to his ex-wife, he had a gun and pain medication for his hand/shoulder that he could have killed himself with instead, but chose to strangle himself in a way that would have been almost impossible due to his injuries.

Really makes you think.

Everything about Dulce is fake as fuck

>>19163799
Same thing goes with Ron Rummel. These two knew something.

>>19163619
Mass excavation. Most tunnel digging projects are done with these things. They chew through rocks and boulders like a weeb through cheetos and then spit out the ore or just pulverized rock to used in making other shit like concrete mix and such.

>>19163839
>Ron Rummel
>"Kills himself" with a gun that had no traces of blood on it even though he shot himself in the mouth.
>>19163621
>Phil Schneider
>Strangles himself in a cord even though he wasn't physically able to.

This is now a murder covered up by suicide thread.

Were there any other cases like this linked to Dulce, or just these two? Also, weren't they both writing a book/doing a show or something about Aliens with other people? What happened to those guys?

>>19163833
Now imagine if he was telling the truth, that there are fucking a secret Wat between ayy lmaos and humans in deep underground bases

>>19164029
C'mon man, keep up. Everybody knows the greys and the military have partnered up and allowed the aliens to continue their work down there so they don't just straight up kill everybody.

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>>19163833
In his video, Phil also claimed that this person named valiant thor is actually an E.T? What did he meant by this?

>>19164070
Val is an alien that Phil's father worked with and had met on many occasions. His father is the dude on the right sitting behind him iirc

Depending on who you ask, he's just a super smart alien or Intergalactic Jesus.

>>19164083
But he looks exaclty like a human? How to tell if he is a real E.T?

>>19164101
That depends on what theories you choose to believe. Some say he's a literal angel in human form, other's say he happens to be a human-like alien from Venus.

Or, maybe they know how to blend in like in V? I don't know much about Val, or even if I believe this part of the story, I'm just telling you what I've heard. He came down, met with Nixon, was given VIP status and shipped off to the Pentagon

>>19164101
>>19164119

>But he looks exaclty like a human?
>Some say he's a literal angel in human form, other's say he happens to be a human-like alien from Venus.

Both. According to some records there was Val and his crew, and the people on Venus didn't have a physical body so they created these avatars to help them walk and talk with the humans.

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>>19163583
The Greys are a degenerative race of extra terrestrial humans from the vicinity of Orion. Their homeworld is in the Rigel system but they were an interstellar empire and controlled the entire Orion region, hence their name, the Orion Star Empire. Sometimes in UFOlogy circles they are called "Nordics."

When they made first contact with another interstellar human civilization, called the Lyrans (who would eventually become the heads of the Galacric Federation) misunderstandings lead to war. This war was long, bloody, and ruthless. Many planets, including the homeworlds of both races, were bombed with nuclear weapons and worse. The majority of the grey population was mutated beyond belief.

Their muscles shriveled, their skin paled, their bones did not grow as large as they should, and many other physiological mutations turned them from the Nazi aesthetic ideal (which is not a coincidence) into the Grey form we all know.

That was not the worse of their mutations, however. They were left completely sterile. They cannot reproduce biologically. The species now consists almost entirely of clones, lead by a handful of unmutated elites.

This last part may be a bit hard for materialists among you to accept: they are spiritually "sterile" as well. The mutations in their brain have made their bodies incompatible for the incarnation of souls waiting in the aether. The same problem occurs in reverse: the soul of a dead grey cannot deincarnate and re-enter the aether. Instead it deteriorates into loose monads, losing all of its accumulated karma and personality, dissolving and losing any coherent identity. These two things mean that the Grey population is completely static. They cannot create new greys, and they cannot allow any greys to die. Of necessity, knowledge of life-extending medicine and the capturing of monads have advanced considerably.

>>19164165
>They cannot reproduce biologically
This is where the cow mutilations come into play, right? They're trying to find a way to breed with humans through hybrids?

>>19164101
Most ETs who come to Terra are human. Humanity does not originate on Terra. Refugees colonized this planet. The only nonhumans who take interest here are the Arcturians, the Andromedans, and the Reptilians.

There is only one Arcturian here, and he is doesn't bother us Terrans. His job is to make sure other ETs don't shake the boat too much.

The Andromedans only make 'benevolent' contact with carefully selected entities.

The Reptilians can and do appear perfectly human.

>>19164125
>they don't have a physical body

How the hell does that work, are they spirits? And how can anything survive on Venus?

>>19164184
Who is that Arcturian?

>>19164183
>They're trying to find a way to breed with humans through hybrids?
Not quite. They are trying to find a way to reverse their own mutations, and their strategy is to use the human genome as a standard to compare their own genome against. This has proved problematic as Terran humans are dramatically different from Rigellian Lyran or Sirian humans. Their attempts have essentially failed, and have not performed human-hybrid experiments since 2013.

As it usually goes with scientific research, they accidentally discovered something far, far more useful than what they were looking for. They are currently in the process of reporting their findings to their overlords, who are not in-system.

The only Greys remaining are the crew of the moon, which is their primary base, and the stocks of useless clones stored in planetside facilities, such as Dulce.

It is not a "City of aliens" or anything like that. As you can see in OP's picture, it is more like a storage facility.

>>19164184

Newfag here that wants information Which races are the "bad" ones for humanity and which are the "good" or "neutral" ones?

>>19164205
You are a very smart person on this subject, lol.

Do you know anything about the spiritual manifestation theory that >>19164119 mentioned about Val not originally having a human-like body, or is that theory pretty much blown out of the water now?

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>>19163638
>Who was the guy that Nixon took to one of the military bases and showed all of the aliens in incubation tubes or whatever?

That would be Jackie Gleason:
https://skeptoid.com/blog/2013/04/08/richard-nixon-jackie-gleason-and-some-dead-aliens/

>>19164215
That depends on your perspective. What is good? What is bad? Your answers to those questions will define the answer to your question. The more honest answer is that 'good' and 'bad' are naive terms and that it is simply a matter of opposing sides. Both sides see themselves as the 'good guys'. In fact, even defining it as two sides is quite simplistic. Think about how complex and nuanced Terran geopolitics is. Now multiply that by the number of inhabited planets in the galaxy, and add bureaucratic and hegemonic layers on top. It's a mess.

>>19164219
This is a complicated question which delves into the metaphysics of 'dimensions' or 'planes.' Essentially, planets are not rocks floating in space. They are other dimensions. The projection of their 'shadow' into our own spacial reality manifests in a particular location, and the nature of the shadow is not necessarily the nature of that which projects the shadow. We see "our" Venus, not theirs. If you have seen Stranger Things, think of it like that. We are seeing "upside down" Venus, not real Venus.

As for the Manifestation of Val in particular, I can assure you it was not a conscious decision made to fit in. In our spatial he really looks like that, as do most ETs. In his spatial reality, well, that's much harder to talk about. He is both exactly the same and totally different there. The changing context changes the thing without the thing itself changing.

>>19164239
That skeptiod guy is a tool

>>19163766
you really dont want to worry about it

>>19163583
>>19163614

There's also one under Dugway Utah (a small out of the way desert town)

It has a tunnel that connects to Dulce.

>>19163856
Sounds boring.

>>19164764
Is that the one that goes through Hills, or a different one?

>>19164165
>Thor went home to Thrúdvangar, and the hone remained sticking in his head. Then came the wise woman who was called Gróa, wife of Aurvandill the Valiant: she sang her spells over Thor until the hone was loosened. But when Thor knew that, and thought that there was hope that the hone might be removed, he desired to reward Gróa for her leech-craft and make her glad, and told her these things: that he had waded from the north over Icy Stream and had borne Aurvandill in a basket on his back from the north out of Jötunheim. And he added for a token, that one of Aurvandill's toes had stuck out of the basket, and became frozen; wherefore Thor broke it off and cast it up into the heavens, and made thereof the star called Aurvandill's Toe. Thor said that it would not be long ere Aurvandill came home: but Gróa was so rejoiced that she forgot her incantations, and the hone was not loosened, and stands yet in Thor's head. Therefore it is forbidden to cast a hone across the floor, for then the hone is stirred in Thor's head.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigel
>Aurvandill's Toe
>Rigel is presumably the star known as "Aurvandil's toe" in Norse mythology.

>>19164070
>Valiant Thor

There are enough pieces for you to put it together.

>>19165117
Elaborate about Valiant thor please

>>19165278
>Elaborate about Valiant thor please
See >>19164165 and then >>19164261

>>19163583
Where from pic?

>>19163799
Could have just been a coincidence, stranger ones have happened, God knows... But on the other hand, sometimes the 'coincidence' can be all too convenient.

>>19163583
Dulce base is a disinformation campaign that was led by the NSA and Air Force as part of a psyop on Paul Bennewitz.

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>>19164781
UNDERRATED

>>19163583
I think Phil discredited himself because of his touring with Al Bielek. There are most definitely secret underground/water govt military bases all over the>>19163583
I think Phil discredited himself because of his touring with Al Bielek. There are most definitely secret underground/water govt military bases all over the planet.

>>19163583
I was conceived about 7 miles from the base in 1964, AMA

>>19163644
yes especialy it's made to dig asshole ...

>>19166992
noc

>>19164165
The Orion group idea is similar to what is presented in the Law of One/Ra material series. Interesting.

>>19164215
>>19167131
Law of One has an interesting perspective on good and evil, (positive and negative polarity) and how in the end it's an illusion since all is one.

>>19167131
Only the naming is similar though, some other things seem quite different.

All I have seen on this thread is alot of fuzzy pictures, pretty talk about aliens, and rambling on about murder/suicide cover ups. Where is the hard proof? Anybody can write down what they believe is real and pass it off as truth.

>>19167192
>>19166824
See Richard Doty

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>>19163766
Book of Enoch means more precautionary principle, not less

He had gone a bit funny in the head, and came to the conclusion that suicide would lend credence to his theories. It worked, apparently.

>>19167205
What is this?

>>19163583
>UFO Hunters
I confirmed a D.U.M.B under dfw international

THey have a nasa building where theyre supposedly developing better airtraffic control.
I Read the site and it sounded like bull shit.

Clicked on a satellite image of the nasa facility and my phone went black and started getting a wifi call (WITH WIFI CALLING OFF) which i answered. - no reply
called back and got some random person who hadnt called anyone.

Proceeded to get several calls similar over the next 2 months. Finally it stopped

I dont know what this was about? But im absolutely sure that NASA facility and page is 100% bullshit

If that parts bullshit how much more of nasa is bullshit

>>19163619
Lol show boat drilling machine

The REAL drilling machines that the government uses are called SUBTERRENES

They are NUCLEAR powered and produce a plasma thats capable of melting any rock or stone

You can find a handful of pics of millitary bases underground....you will see the walls of the facility are smooth rock like glass.

This is the after affect of the subterrene vehicle. It does like a mile in 10 minutes whereas the bullshit one u posted probably takes 10 weeks to do a mile

>>19163583
Whered you get this picture?

It is new but resembles a couple i found.

>>19164165
WHere did u hear this

>>19167374
not a solar scientist but there's the likelihood of shit that gets trapped in coronal loops that can explode or ejecta that explodes when hit with coronal effects following behind it faster

Any traces of the supposed video of a video that came out of the place? The stuff that was buried in the canister that John Lear mentioned?

>>19163638
from what i dug around Schneider was not present at the incident. Supposedly, he was telling a true story. So the word is. Everything sounds plausible , BUT pics or it didn't happen.
His death was far from "suicide" which complicates things further and adds a very serious tone of authenticity in the whole situation.

>>19164205
Mate thats a lot of detail. As if there were fucking handbooks on the subject. I dont deny existence of aliens but all thise things seem like play pretend moatly due to the insight you give. None of this can be more than far reaching speculation and fiction story telling with current evidence at hand, right?

>>19167700
Google desu.

>>19167783
>Schneider was not present at the incident
I'm just going off what he said. The chest wounds and loss of his fingers were from the fight he was supposed to be present for.

>>19167216
>He had gone a bit funny in the head, and came to the conclusion that suicide would lend credence to his theories
So why didn't he kill himself with the gun he owned? Why didn't he kill himself with all of the pain medication he was on?

The actual police investigation into his "suicide" was shoddy at best, there wasn't a none, Phil had been telling people that if he committed suicide - he was actually murdered, things were missing from his apartment, and according to prior medical records supplied by his ex-wife Phil wouldn't have been physically able to strangle himself like he was found due to the damage sustained to his hand and arm.

>>19167192
The most I know about are the murder-suicide cover ups and the multiple reports of cattle mutilations. Both names mentioned in the thread are fairly heavily documented, but nothing legitimately reliable as police didn't put any effort into investigating the deaths, Phil's more suspicious due to testimonies and evidence provided by his ex-wife.

This anon >>19163833 talks a little about the suspicious facts behind Phil's death, which I'm guessing they got a lot of information from http://www.apfn.org/apfn/ex_wifephil.htm

Ron Rummel's death doesn't have a lot of info about it either, but it's still something you can look into. "Killed himself" in a park with a gun that had been wiped clean of any blood and prints, suicide note was written by someone left handed when Rummel was right handed.

I just don't see the motive behind killing yourself to make a lie look legitimate when literally no one can profit off of it. They're the only ones that had anything to gain - be it fame or what little fortune you could make off of this - and they're both dead.

>>19167758
I don't think so. The only stuff I can find are those youtube documentaries.

>>19163583
what am I looking at in this photo

>>19167938
Incubation tanks in an underground bunker.

>>19164183
cow mutilations are false flags made by us

>>19167735
Thanks!

>>19163583
>Theories, ideas, and anything else you've got.

The U.S. built a number of covert facilities around the nation during the cold war in order to serve as command and control centers for military and civilian government. I suspect Dulce may be one of them, however, I don't believe any of the alien hype that usually goes with it.

Here's some examples of the kind of facilities created during the cold war. Who knows how many are still active....

Greenbrier hotel in WV built to house congress:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Greek_Island

Some nuke bunker in the mountains of Pennsylvania:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven_Rock_Mountain_Complex

Shit's now a part of the "government continuity program"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuity_of_Operations

Lord knows how much fucking money they've wasted over the years building places like that...

>>19167832
>desu
Fuck off and suck a fat one NSA

>>19168261
it's a wordfilter you fucking newfag

>>19163799
>Yeah i meant Phil, his story sounded like a bad science fiction movie,

That's because he was full of shit.

>why the fuck was he found dead days later after talking about it?

When was he ever NOT talking about it?

All I know is that a dude that is as full of shit as that guy was is likely to make some stupid fucking decisions in life, which means he's dumb enough to try and fuck with, or scam, somebody willing to kill him for his effort. I don't know if he got murdered, died of natural causes, but I'm about 99.99999% sure he was a lying piece of shit.

>>19168259
boring
>cold war
lmao

>>19168282
Its a meme older than you
Drink your coffee and shut the fuck up

U must be one of the shitty ass nsa agents since u have to work on fathers day/sunday. Are u even trying....bitch?

>>19168286
It wasn't natural causes 100%. It was either murder or suicide, but if it was suicide the way he didn't didn't make sense considering the options he had available. Plus, all of his lecture notes and research was missing from his apartment.

>>19168286
nah his story was probably 70-80% true.

Other shit even from the government sometimes have a tiny grain of truth in it.
Theres like a billion pieces to this puzzle and no one would ever be able to figure it out with out the following

1. Contact AND help from an e.t.
or
2. incredibly advanced technology
I would sign up for the space corp if i could

>>19168290
Go back to LARPing on a vampire or succubus thread you pathetic faggot.

>>19168298
>but if it was suicide the way he didn't didn't make sense

The dude was a fucktard, anon, and it would make perfect sense to kill himself in a fucktarded way.

> Plus, all of his lecture notes and research was missing from his apartment.

Says who? That could be complete bullshit, and for all we know, that dude never had any "notes".

>>19168301
>sometimes have a tiny grain of truth in it.

See: >>19168259

That's about as close to the truth to what's at Dulce as we're going to get.

>>19168334
>it would make perfect sense to kill himself in a fucktarded way.
The way he was strangled would have been physically impossible due to shoulder and hand injuries.

>that dude never had any "notes"
Lecture notes, documents, drafts of the magazine he was supposed to be working on with Rummel before Rummel was killed/killed himself/whatever you believe. Even if it wasn't "real", you can still have notes on the subjects. Most presenters at least create some sort of write-up or script before they go on stage, he wasn't an exception.

gay aliens

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>>19168350
>Lecture notes

Who claims they were missing, though? Why should we believe them? Schneider was obviously a fraud taking advantage of the naive and gullible, so why should anyone believe anything about his "notes" being missing?

He's was almost as bad as Greer. Almost.

>>19168381
Ex-wife's press statement. Said all the documents were gone, but all gold/cash/valuables remained. She also talks about how the coroner skipped certain tests on the body to save money because the police ruled it as a suicide.

>>19168381
>Schneider was obviously a fraud taking advantage of the naive and gullible

Why do you think this? It seems that you simply have a presupposition that aliens aren't real, so therefore he must be bullshitting. If you have any actual reason to think he was bullshitting, I encourage you to share your thoughts. If you don't, maybe you should reconsider your skepticism.

>>19168026
No thanks that sounded scientific but it was straight out of his ass.

>>19168393
>Ex-wife

Yea...O.K.. Sorry, but that's not good enough for me. Has she made any circuits lecturing about her late husband, I wonder? Regardless, there is no way she could know what that dude had, or didn't have, in his apartment since she didn't live with him, and any statements she makes will be suspect due to their tainted relationship.

>>19168395
>you simply have a presupposition that aliens aren't real

On the contrary, I hold the position that the evidence is overwhelming that they DO exist, that they HAVE visited our planet, and that they still are. My standard of evidence is just higher, first, and being a former military dude, it's easy to see through the bullshit civilians spread about the military and "secret" projects and shit. That's why I know Schneider is full of shit.

There are far too many cases out there that clearly demonstrate alien tech operating on our planet, like:
Japan airlines over Alaska
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Air_Lines_flight_1628_incident

Coyne incident over Ohio:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_L6vuYRhKY

Iranian UFO incident in 76':
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlllJsK_bZc

None of these cases can be disputed as anything other than alien tech with any semblance of rationality. Shitbags like Greer and Schneider discredit REAL incidents like those in favor of creating bullshit for personal gain, which makes people avoid taking a serious look at the subject in fear of being labeled a cook.

>>19168420
Ok, so WHY do you think Schneider is full of shit?

>>19168420
They were still in frequent contact due to the fact they had a child together. Are you telling me that someone who pours his life into researching shit (again, even if it's bullshit) wouldn't have any kind of notes in his home?
And, no, I don't believe she has, so no one is profiting off of this. If my ex-wife was killed over this stuff and I had a child to worry about, I wouldn't go reopening the things that got him killed in the first place. She still swears up and down it was a murder. But -- okay, I can see where you would see this is just a suicide. He WAS on a lot of medication as well, and we all know how certain drugs can mess with our minds.

What about Rummel though? Do you think he shot himself in the mouth, wiped the gun clean, and then died?

>>19163638
>Here's a hot take...

Reminds me of that Canadian conspiracy guy who was on his way to a convention or something (it's been so long I can't remember specific details) and later claimed he was grabbed en route by a couple of security services guys in bunny costumes who beat, threatened, and interrogated him. It sounds so far fetched that I have trouble believing it really happened, but then that's the point, isn't it? To remove all credibility from the victim.

>>19167374
archon?

>>19168451
There is great occult significance to bunny costumes, actually.

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>>19164029
A secret wat?

>>19168469
>There is great occult significance to bunny costumes
what do you mean?

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>>19168477

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>>19168477
They represent aggressive sexuality and fertility

>>19167786
Dude, right? The problem with ufology is that it dovetails so nicely into so many different personal fantasies, to the point that it's almost impossible to have a serious, fact based, proof finding discussion about it without someone larping as a nephilim or an arcturan thought form projection or some shit.

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>>19168368
Gayliens

>>19164165
Where was all of information found, and why is it trustworthy? This is some star trek shit.

New Mexico is to Aliens as Atlantis is to the Atlantic

The reason lies behind the fact that most US secret bases are in the middle of deserts in the southwest.
>large areas of nothing = ample testing areas and sites
>few witnesses = easier to debunk
>in event of breach or lockdown = able to nuke with little repercussion to local population

Its a well known conspiracy that "aliens" was the government actually taking a witness's story and creating an actual mock crash site with "gray" cadavers. Now everyone is looking, but in the wrong direction and at the wrong thing.

The "alien" that witness saw was just a transdermal weapons suit designed to enhance a soldier's physical capability.

>>19168424
1. His "chest wound" story is complete bullshit, as the wound he had looks like any other surgical scar.

2. He claimed the facility was guarded by "green berets", which is bullshit, because SF doesn't do guard duty. That's done by any given schmuck, not SF. Just look who guards our most sensitive shit, nuclear weapons, and you'll see a bunch of basic airmen and air force NCO's.

3. He claims to have shot aliens with a Walther PPK. Really, dude? Civilian contractors aren't allowed to carry arms unless they're part of a security force, and if they are, then they'd carry an issued arm and be required to qualify with it at least annually. You know what U.S. government agency issued and qualified with Walther PPK's back in 1979? NONE of them. The .380 is a Eurofag round and used only for back up gun purposes in the states, or by ghetto thugs, but not as the primary issue sidearm of any fed agency. In 79', .38 and .357 revolvers were the most common issue gun of cops, and the 1911 was still in service. Claiming he carried and used a Walther PPK, like James Bond, just screams LARPer to me, and doesn't make sense.

4. He claims 60 people fought and died in this bullshit firefight, and yet nobody has ever come forward to talk about the incident but him? No firemen, paramedics, doctors, cops, security reinforcements, friends, brothers, mothers, wives? No locals ever saw the efforts needed to reinforce and secure the situation or extract the bodies of the dead? Bullshit.

The dude was a fraud. He may very well have been involved in the construction of secret underground facilities, because we know they exist, but all the alien shit he talks about is pure LARP garbage.

>>19168435
>They were still in frequent contact

And? That doesn't mean he gave her free access to his home and personal shit.

>What about Rummel

Not familiar with him, but if he was an associate of Schneider, he's already suspect to me.

>>19168578
>1.
Fair enough.

>2&3
What on earth makes you think a black budget site would use normal military procedures?

>4.
Fair enough.

My opinion is that he discovered something real, be it a secret alien base or just a secret base, and embellished it with action drama because he's a human and humans do that.

>>19168584
>Rummel
The of them were collaborating on a publishing called Aliens Digest or something, only seven issues were released before the suicides. Previous member of Air Force Intelligence, probably blew whatever security clearance he was given wide open. They weren't arm in arm about DUMBS or Dulce, Rummel's work focused more on the relationship between aliens and humans in a predator/prey style. Harvesting/growing humans for food or body parts. Things like that.

They essentially found his body in what looked like a suicide, but all recorded evidence from authorities makes it look like a cover up for murder. The gun didn't have any blood or finger prints on it, the suicide note was written by someone with a left hand, even though Rummel's was right handed, things like that.

Does anyone find it weird that a lot of UFO researchers died within the same few years of each other?

>>19168593
>What on earth makes you think a black budget site would use normal military procedures?

Because I served in SOF and know what kind of missions they get, and being a fucking security guard for a bunch of dorks, isn't one of them. About the closest thing to "guard duty" SOF ever gets today is an executive protection detail for VIP's.

His account is pure LARPing garbage, and comes right from a naive citizens belief that special troops would be required to guard secret facilities when the opposite is true. If that was the case, then our nukes and shit would be guarded by the likes of vanilla SEALS and SF, CAG, DEVGRU, and Rangers, but they're not, and they never have been.

>>19168630
>and being a fucking security guard for a bunch of dorks, isn't one of them

What about being a security guard for a facility which is so top-secret even your guards need to have codeword clearance? You can't exactly ask some private to guard your top secret alien facility. In fact, you can't even just ask SF in general, you would have to carefully select people who you know won't leak anything.

That's how black budget ops work. They do not operate within any command structure and do not follow operational procedure. People are specifically selected to be read into the project based on strong certainty that they will maintain secrecy.

>>19168638
>What about being a security guard for a facility which is so top-secret even your guards need to have codeword clearance?

This is exactly what I'm talking when I wrote that naive civilians think you need "special" troops to guard secret facilities. You don't. You think the dudes guarding area 51 are "special" troops? They're not. They're civilian contractors.

Contracting security is no different than contracting anybody else, and the U.S. military and government have been contracting civilians that have needed high security clearances for special projects ranging from nuke programs, to aviation, weapons development, and space tech, for well over 70 years now. None of that shit uses SOF to guard them, as guard duty is light work that any asshole can perform.

We're done.

>>19168711
>nuke programs, to aviation, weapons development, and space tech
all of these things are less classified than black ops so the comparison is not relevant. A facility where you store FUCKING ALIENS which you claim don't even exist is categorically different from a Missile Silo that is public knowledge.

You cannot "hire" people to work at a black ops site. ABSOLUTELY NO ONE can go to the site unless they have been vetted. If the President of the United States asked about Dulce they would not tell him anything. How do I know this? Bill Clinton literally did it and got told he wasn't authorized to know. Why wasn't he authorized? Because he would tell people. That singular distinction is essential to any recruitment for black ops.

The people you are talking about are not qualified to even know such a facility exists, let alone guard it.

>>19163619
boring

>>19168638
>They do not operate within any command structure and do not follow operational procedure

Actually they do, often even more so than regular military. This is because the individuals in charge know that:

1. Leaving the fold is a slippery slope. You start cutting corner, start looking the other way, and the next thing you know you're spending the rest of your life in a small concrete box in Leavenworth. Or worse.

2. Rules and procedure keep you safe. They've been tested to an almost autistic degree by people far smarter than you will ever be. The Pentagon, the army, the DoD, whoever your personal bogeyman is, get a lot of bad press, but at the end of the day they know their jobs and are very, very good at them.

3. Chain of command, again, keeps you safe. Knowing who's in charge of what, who knows what, and why that matters will save your fucking life. Whether you're walking dismounted in Mosul or sweating your balls off in a radio hut in Thailand, it is imperative to know who to trust and how far.

Real life is not the movies, brah. There are no one man demolition teams, no super secret super spies doing super spy shit under cover of night. Sfod are just normal dudes doing a shitty job for embarrassingly bad pay.

>>19168770
>Real life is not the movies, brah.

It is to most of these dumb fucks, dude.

Don't even waste your time.

>>19168770
>There are no one man demolition teams, no super secret super spies doing super spy shit under cover of night.
Uh, I didn't say there are. Please try reading what I actually say instead of just imagining things.


>Knowing who's in charge of what, who knows what, and why that matters will save your fucking life.

There are no insurgents in Arizona. These are not military operations we are talking about. The only person who threatens the life of a soldier guarding one of these complexes is his boss.

They are not concerned with saving the lives of their fucking guards. They are disposable. In fact, they are prepared to dispose of their guards and any other employees, as they did with Schneider. They are concerned with keeping secrets.

Knowing who's in charge makes you a threat.
Knowing who knows what makes you a threat.
Knowing why that matters makes you a threat.

In a black op, NOBODY knows ANY of these three things except the head of the operation.

> Rules and procedure keep you safe.
Exactly. They do not want people to be safe. They need the ability to snuff out anyone working for them if they have to, and you can't do that with established rules.

>>19168770
>Knowing who's in charge of what, who knows what, and why that matters will save your fucking life.
Does that qualify as a "need to know"?

>>19168850
>as a "need to know"?

Pretty much.

Knowing who has access to what info helps identify leaks, which is why the structure exists.

>>19168807
Can't help it, man. I see someone being stupid and all I can hear is that damned "be all that you can be" song.

>>19168931
>Knowing who has access to what info helps identify leaks, which is why the structure exists.
Not having any access to any info except EXACTLY what you need to know and no more is a far more effective strategy of preventing leaks.

"I need to know this or i might die" is not need to know. The ONLY need to knows are:

1. I need to know this specific fact to do my job (and i don't even know what my job actually is)
2. I am in charge.

>>19168973
The way it works is that there's a single project manager responsible for everything, and that dude will have access to the entire project for budgetary and progress reasons. They hire staff to assist them, and department heads responsible for departments, who may in turn hire section heads responsible for sections. Info is compartmentalized and classified as needed, and employees are given security briefs explaining the classified nature of their work, what they can and can't talk about, the consequences of breaching security, and are then made to sign nondisclosure statements.

Individual departments aren't read in on what other departments are doing, and even sections within the department are usually compartmentalized. Each department and section has its own secure area to work in, and logs are used and maintained for accessing those areas and sensitive information so that there's always a trail to follow should info be leaked or go missing. Today that's done with barcodes and computers, but back in 79' that shit was mostly done on paper.

>>19169053
This is how it works in Classified projects, not Black projects. Black projects are similar but even stricter.

>and are then made to sign nondisclosure statements.

This would not happen in a black project. There can be no documentation of any kind, ever. A nondisclosure agreement is a legal document. Black projects do not deal with leakers through legal channels. Your 'nondisclosure agreement' is your desire to live.

>Today that's done with barcodes and computers, but back in 79' that shit was mostly done on paper.

Black Budget projects are EXCLUSIVELY managed via face to face interactions with no documentation.

>>19169074
One thing people really fail to realize is that black budget projects have to be hidden from the government just as much as they have to be hidden from the people. If you're hiding from the chain of command you necessarily can't be a part of it.

A black budget project is not just a super secret government operation. The definition of a black budget project is that the legitimate government does not know it exists.

>>19165278

Valiant Thor is a famous space alien in UFOlogy that claimed to come from the planet Venus. By all accounts he was a Count of St. Germain-esque figure. His story is a fantastic one that one would automatically assume was fiction but the most unsettling part of his story is his documented existence and cross referenced anecdotal reports of those who worked with him. During his time on earth he worked closely with the US government, specifically holding an office in the pentagon.

>>19169074
>I have never worked with anything that required a security classification in my life the post

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>>19169217
>he thinks black budget projects have security classification

>>19169227
>he thinks he knows anything about classified programs or accountability


Don't you have a succubus thread you should be LARPing in instead of shitting up this thread?

>>19169256
Classified programs are government programs that must be kept secret. Black Budget programs are not government programs. They are non-government bodies siphoning money from the government to fund their projects.

I can't say "we aren't talking about the government or military doing this" enough times.

Your knowledge of how the government operates is not relevant to how something that is not the government operates.

>>19169278
>Black Budget programs are not government programs.

Wrong.

Black budget programs are simply programs that do not have direct congressional oversight.

The CIA, DoD, or whoever, takes money from their budget and uses it for something other than the intended purpose that money was given to them for by congress.

They usually involve contracting out work to civilian agencies capable of complying with all federal security classification requirements, and they follow the exact same security systems and procedures used by everybody else, when such a requirement is necessary.


Regardless, I'm tired of arguing with you idiots, so believe what you want, LARPer.

>>19169347
>he thinks people who are keeping interdimensional aliens and free energy secret are going to leave a paper trail and ask for permission

You are literally retarded. Put yourself in their position. You have an opportunity to essentially rule the earth. Are you going to report that to a general somewhere, or are you going to keep it a secret?

For the last fucking time, Dulce is fucking fake. It was a direct result of Paul Bennewitz crazyness that was addled on by NSA computer/radio psyops and began with Paul Bennewitz obsession with a nearby airforce base that was testing advance helicopters at night. They learned he had classified projects on film and subsequently psyop'd him with NSA and Air force help into believe the entirety of Archuleta mesa was covered with alien craft, crashed landing sites and more. They even went as far as to put up fake objects up when they brought him on the helipcopter ride.

Do some goddamned research you incompetent tinfoils.

>>19168748

>you can not simply "hire" people blah blah blah

Lmao, the fuck are you talking about? You realise the U-2 and Blackbird programs had higher clearances than the Manhattan Project, and with the Manhattan Project, 100% of the people involved didn't even know what the OTHER people involved were doing.

And the simple fact was that civilians WERE hired for all these projects.

I can understand what you're trying to say, but some of the shit you're arguing for, is patently false. All you have to do is a quick google search, and you'll find that civilians are hired for programs that not even the President knows about.

>t. A different guy to whom you're arguing with

>>19164525
I should've read it before posting it :/

>>19168296
lol. This is a true idiot right here.

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>>19169528
Obviously people are hired in that they get people to work and pay them. What I mean is they can't exactly put out an ad in the paper, and they can't even allow prospects to come to them. They have to carefully select people to work for them based on psychological profiles, lack of family connections or loose contact, etc.

I doubt the staff guards inside Dolce's secret facility are literally green berets or special forces, but they sure as shit don't let random GIs guard alien breeding vats and then send them back into the world to tell all their friends.

>>19169198
Valiant Thor is the creation of a bible thumping commercial preacher hungry for fame and money. It ranks right up there with Joe Smith and Dianetics.

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>>19168770
>it's an "overly-entitled US serviceman who thinks he knows fucking everything" episode

>>19164184
Where did you get this information?

>>19164184
>>19170651
Also non-human Arcturians, Andromedans, and reptiles are memes. Reptilians aren't real and the Arcs and Andromedans are humanoids.
I mean it's possible people from around those parts have evolved into a different species somehow but I don't believe it.

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>>19170651
Direct contact with ETs, and years of research. Ask me anything i guess.

>>19170655
>Reptilians aren't real
They very much are.

>Arcs and Andromedans are humanoids
Humanoid and Human are not the same thing. Neither of these races are the same species as Humans. Andromedans are human-divergent species who diverged a very very long time ago. Arcturians have no real genetic link to humans whatsoever except insofar as everything with DNA is linked in origin to the designers of the DNA code structure.

>>19164165
minor note: the stars that make up Orion (from our perspective) are at very different distances. There is no Orion "region".

see:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orion_(constellation)#Stars

>>19170527
I certainly know more about how a military operates than someone who's only contact with it is a few episodes of the x files and a steady diet of Art Bell. Even a minimal amount of research would give you a pretty good idea of how your beloved "black sites" work; you're just to stupid and lazy to put in the effort.

Have fun playing make believe, kiddo. Be sure to get back to mommy's before dark.

>>19170672
>They very much are.

Yeah no. Until one knocks on my door, they're bullshit.

>>19168638
>What about being a security guard for a facility which is so top-secret even your guards need to have codeword clearance?

This just isn't true. I know a plain old grunt marine that saw nukes before everyone else did, and he didn't have TS clearance or anything.

>>19163856
>>19164781
Kek

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>>19168770
kekkles wew lad
just
this nigga akshually thinks he know jack shit about black projects