Who started the fire?

Something is definitely fishy about the ordeal.
A small kitchen fire lit up an entire building like a tinder box? Yea, nah. Something about that doesn't add up.
This whole thing stinks to high heaven.

It's all about slight of hand so to speak. Old magicians trick. I create a distraction over here, while i make my move over there.

>>19160228
That's an interesting point.
With the entire city focused on that event, something could have been done somewhere else and no one would notice.
That raises a couple of questions, though. A) What would be so valuable as to burn an entire building down as a distraction, and B) what kind of fucking psychopath would consider that a reasonable course of action?

>>19160240
One which is planting something in the Firefighter H.Q

I think the most plausible possibility IF the claims about the government coering-up is that isis did it and the government would much rather have the population hating the government itself rather than hating immigrants.
I mean by parsimony its much more likely to be that.

Its quite likely that the fire was caused by someone in their cooking up drugs or making bomb materials. That plus gunpowder and other chemicals in the other stories made the fire spread quickly. That could well be the coverup.

Cant have the native population find out the muzzies are all stockpiling weapons like its the apocalypse

>>19160246
I dunno, that's possible, but wouldn't any large response do to clear out their HQ? Hell, even a small response could probably do that.
I'm just speculating, but this seems... flashy. Like the arson wanted to cause a big dramatic scene even if it was just a distraction.
There's plenty of ways such a person could clear out the station if that was the only goal. It just seems like there's something more to it that I'm not seeing.

>>19160272
They plant something in the H.Q system.
Start to "report" a shitload of fires a la Great Fire.
Provoke chaos because every emergency service'd be attending NOTHING.
Then shutdown the whole emergency service server system.
Chaos ensured, whoever did this got it's chaos.

>>19160285
More speculation, but if we're talking about the possibility of what I think we're talking about, they'd have a calling card.
Someone egotistical enough to waste entire buildings as distractions or side quests or whatever probably wouldn't be able to resist leaving their mark on their targets.

>>19160297
If this is true then whoever did this it's biding time for more dramaric effect.

>>19160300
Like I said, I'm just speculating.
I could be 100% wrong.

It could be anything really. Islamic terrorists intentionally or unintentionally starting the fire. Intelligence services, domestic or foreign. Simple criminal activity gone wrong. Mass human sacrifice, very symbolic, a tower of flames. Maybe we will get some hints in the near future, when we see the consequences of this tragedy. New legislation being passed? Riots?

>>19160320
>Mass human sacrifice, very symbolic, a tower of flames
Babylon the Great...

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>>19160240
I think about this alot being an American

Everyone is so distracted on thanksgiving day, Christmas, the Stupor bowl etc.

Do you gentlemen have any idea how well trained MI6 assassins are?
4chan is no longer secure.

>>19160372
Do me.
I couldn't care less at this point my dear friend

>>19160372
Well that didn't take long...

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OP is on to something.

The building is about 85% muslim, it was probably just one of the mudskins' bombs going off accidentally. The guy who said his fridge exploded apparently gave a detailed understanding of how his fridge blew despite the way he described it being almost impossible unless it was tampered with. He also packed his bags rather than putting out the small fire and then didn't pull the alarm - according to his neighbour. In the interview he acted very sketchy, he was definitely lying as he knows he could be arrested for negligence if he told the truth. The only reasons he wouldn't put out the small fire was if it was an incriminating scene like chemical weapons or if muslims are really just scum who only think about fleeing and saving them self (packing his bags before telling anyone while the small fire rages)

>>19160172
I don't get how a tower fire can cause so much outrage. Nor conspiracy. This kind of thing can happen even without an explanation.

>>19160465
Nah nigga

>>19160736
Not in London my dude.

>>19160172
It was gentrification on the cheap. What more needs saying?

>>19160192
Did you not see the blue flames of the gas mains burning in the flats? The whole 24 stories were supplied with gas.

Also the fire went up the cladding


Whoever started tge fire know it was a torch

Also do you lot not know The Wicker Man film? Think about it

>>19160172
This event is too convenient with regards to several agendas. I'd like to think people are not capable of doing something like this on purpose but it's not like there isn't a precedent and I no longer trust coincidences.

>botched terrorist activity
>false flag intended to make muslims more palatable to the general British public (note the narrative that muslims who were awake later than usual saved lives)
>false flag intended to push socialism (building was already in the public eye as part of the debate between Corbyn and the Tories about building practices)
>insurance fraud (building was known to be a fire hazard, proofing it may have cost too much to be worth it)
>ritual sacrifice
>some combination thereof

>>19160839
>think about it
Well, if you insist...

>>19160881
it could be related to insurance fraud but i think there was only one exit and one entrance.
there weren't any sprinklers either?
the whole building needed a rework and people theorized something bad could happen beforehand.
i'm trying to point out that shutting down that building is causing ripples.
"the muslims did it! no wait, the muslims saved people! it was too much money to fix! the government was too incompetent to fix it! the government cares about/hates poor people! i bet the muslims blew themselves up! no wait, why would they blow themselves up? are they incompetent or autistic geniuses?"

the whole world is speculating on what really happened and why.
it's either an "accident" or someone/something did it on purpose for this exact reason.
hell, do you NOT think the government will change reports on how the building was really operated since it was burned down?

the thing that's so strange about it are the inconclusive reports on how the fire really started, the government insisting only the confirmed 30 died, (and originally the first report was 17 confirmed dead) people from that building being missing, and important political figures rushing to the scene to "console" the victims.
the layout of that building is so faulty... but next to rich people for years. you can laugh on how the rich folks added stuff to that building to make it look less shit, or so they dont have to look at it, but why gentrify the whole neighborhood except that one building?
if they didn't care about poor people, they'd have kicked them out- but they kept it.

/pol/ laughs about it and the leftists are mourning, but not many are focusing on how and why it happened.

i believe this was done on purpose but we need more info.

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When it comes to arson it could have been just an electrical thing.
Anyways may seems to be bumbling around like an idiot to this situation while her polls plummet and she does nothing, or poors and browns yell at her.
Everythings coming up corbyn.

>>19160172
Isn't it obvious either the greys control us or we are them in the future? They have the whole no gender but the one you choose shit.

I think the center is dying, that post cold war managerial, neoliberal politics is dying.
People are demanding politicians that are anti establishment, get things done, and dont bow down to the media or their opponents.
There is no outside force to unite western people against.
No soviet union.
So the people are turning against the bourgeois and their puppet politicians
The center hasnt helped its case by bailing out bankers, foreclosing on homes, crashing the economy, and starting pointless and endless wars.
I think there might be some behind the scenes war going on, something that is overthrowing the status quo, like trump in america, if corbyn becomes the prime minister then things are really changing around the world

>>19161159
You're no better. You're not actually asking why, you're not looking at the bigger picture, all you're saying is SOMETHING HAPPENED.

We didn't start the fire It was always burning Since the world's been turning

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>>19161207
i'm the OP of this thread and i have been giving information about the building, the event, who visited the scene, and predictable reactions society would be having right now.

you want a bigger picture? riots, violence, and distractions causing chaos that starts out gradual then spirals out of control.

i knew shills and infighters would come and fight over the legitimacy of my claims, but as long as no one believes the skeptic, then a focused effort towards the truth can occur.

i have informed, there has been a discussion, and people are noticing it is fishy. i've done my part. i'm not asking for handouts or your trust- i came to inform and to encourage people to investigate.

"Harley Facades confirmed it had installed the panels bought from Omnis in the work it performed on Grenfell Tower.
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The speed at which the fire spread at Grenfell Tower has led to intense speculation that external cladding panels made from aluminium sheets with a flammable polyethylene core may have fueled the fire."

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/16/manufacturer-of-cladding-on-grenfell-tower-identified-as-omnis-exteriors

>>19160372
>implying it was once secure

>>19161196
t. Normie.

>muh poor people being abandoned by le ebil gubmint

Listen up, you fucking faggots. There is PLENTY of decent homes that are rented by local councils and used as social housing. The thing is, those are usually in places further away from the city centre.

The people living in those towers weren't placed there out of neglect. On the contrary: the waiting list for a flat in that area is extremely long, but families still queue up because they want to live in a central location for free. You try moving a muzzy family out of those towers and they will throw a hissy fit because of MUH COMMUNITY and MUH CHILDREN SHOULDN'T BE FORCED TO MOVE SCHOOL.

Basically everyone wants to be housed in the most central location, close to transport links, for free and in a high quality building. It's the welfare state on steroids. Middle class families have to commute for hours in overcrowded trains because the only place where they can afford a decent home is in the suburbs or the outer zones of London. Muhamood on the other hand flew here yesterday from some Middle Eastern shithole and he won't accept anything that isn't in the heart of London's most expensive borough. Yes how tragic that Muhamood is now a pile of ashes but he would still be alive if he had accepted an offer to be housed in Hayes or Watford where he wouldn't have been placed in some commie block with 1950s fire safety standards.

And for everyone going on about conspiracy theories, sorry but it was all about the shit cladding. Here's a building with the same exterior burning like a matchstick in France:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yQLIlIetDM

This type of cladding is already banned in the US, but European regulators are more worried about gender pronouns and organising the next Eurovision than legislating on the things that actually matter.

>>19160172
Is it possible there could've been a false flag? What are the motives if so, or could it have been an event to draw our attention away from something else possibly happening in the UK or the West?

we all know the fire was started by soldiers acting on the orders of nero. or tigellinus at the least.

>>19160172
Also the tower was mainly Muslim/Migrants who inhabited it. It's possible it was a false flag, set up to gain sympathy for muslims/migrants in order to push the globalist agenda of relaxed borders and liberal immigration

>>19160240
>A) What would be so valuable as to burn an entire building down as a distraction
>B) what kind of fucking psychopath would consider that a reasonable course of action?

Bush and 9/11. Not even a meme reply. If some news breaks out in a few days that it was some guy from the middle east and ACTUALLY WAS a terrorist attack, they'd go to war. They'd be killing immigrants in the streets.

I think it was an attack only problem was that it isn't election time anymore so the government couldn't outright say it was one to gain more support.

>>19163877

Not to mention the timing is too coincidental.
>One year on since Jo Cox was murdered
>Massive heat wave happening now which could agitate protests to breaking point like with what happened during the 2011 riots, also it's the weekend so lots of retards out drinking and trying to be opportunists

Corbyn is a massive wanker for trying to make this into about politics though even though it wasn't necessary.

Why the fuck is a simple building fire getting so much news coverage. I dont even live in an anglo country and when it happened they wouldnt shut up about it

>>19160457
This

Hmmh, being from a country with predominantly electric stoves, I have no experience with gas stoves and the gas lines going in the building, but isn't it possible it just really started with that fridge and spread to the rest of the building through the gas pipes?

>>19164008
A fridge doesn't make such a big fire that quickly.

>>19160465
Wonder how many apartment buildings there are in a world and now think how often do they catch fire due to kitchen apllyence failiure

>>19164010
Fuck if I know what kind of flames an exploding fridge causes, I don't live with shit kitchen equipment

>>19160251
Isis takes credit

Nothing of value was lost so who cares?

>>19160172
We didn't start the fire...