Use your brains flat earthers! Come on#

>>19151217
there's time zones at all so flat earth is retarded.
there couldn't be time zones if the earth was flat.

>>19151217
I like the explanation for eclipses.

>>19151217
Flat earth is kinda crashed as soon as get at Southern hemosphere

>>19151217
>use these measurements to get to this conclusions! it adds up!

>>19152192
Well duh you big rrtard

>>19152192
No, he's saying that the observations match the measurements.
Not necessarily definitive proof alone but highly suggestive.

However, flat earth is completely retarded and there's 100s of ways to disprove it.

>>19151967
OK wat

>>19152021
I don't think I've ever actually heard one.

>>19152305
Would you say there are... 200 proofs?

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>>19154262
Only have 1, 4 and 6. I think the set came from reddit but can't be fucked looking for it.

>>19151217
If the earth is flat, why can't I see the Alps from London?

The simulated earth may not be flat, but how about the underlying hardware?

>Use your brains flat earthers
You first m8.

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>>19151217

explain this plz

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>>19156564

I know rite?! And check it out, the sun is INFRONT OF THE FENCE!!

It's like 30 fucking feet away, explain that one ball earthers.

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>>19156585

Not an argument friend. Take your ad hominem bullshit somehwere else.

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>>19156613
Nah dude, I am totally on your side! Dinner plate earth 100%. Look here's more evidence.

THE SUN IS BEHIND THE FUCKING TREES!!!

crazy right? From this evidence we can certainly make the argument that the sun is infact between a few dozen and few hundred feet away. Maybe it changes depending on time of day.

Ball earthers BTFO!!

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>>19156656
>"THE SUN IS BEHIND THE FUCKING TREES!!!"

No shit.

Why is it the same type of clouds are in front AND behind the sun/moon?

Your argument isn't new (even if you're fucking it up). The idea that "MUH SUN IS 2 BRIGHT 4 ANYTHING" doesn't hold weight.

Use visual logic: The SAME type of CLOUDS are both in front AND behind these orbs.

>>19152947
What do you mean "OK wat"? The Earth is shaped like a sphere. When the sun shines on one side of it, that side is in day, and the other side is in night. If you could hypothetically observe different spots around the Earth, the "time" would change at different points as people were closer to sunset and sunrise. This is why, if you call someone who is in France while you are in Alaska, they may be just about going to sleep and quite angry you ruined their sleep while you're just chilling in the afternoon.

The sun revolving around a flat earth doesn't adequately explain this unless you create an arbitrarily convoluted model.

>>19156747

>all clouds have the same density

Fucking genius you are m8, maybe you should bring this up to all the pilots and ask why nobody thought they should mention flying around a giant ball of fire.

>>19156747
>The SAME type of CLOUDS are both in front AND behind these orbs.
No they're not. Some clouds are in front and others appear to be behind. The ones that appear to be behind the sun are sparser, thinner clouds and/or at a different distance from the other clouds enough such that they can appear to be behind rather than in front of the sun.

As far as I can see, something can't be behind and in front of something at the same time, so your saying that the same type of clouds are both in front and behind "these orbs" doesn't strike me as being quite right.

>>19151217
How to pick a fight on /x/ Say the earth is flat/round

https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/67745/triple-right-triangle-experiment-whats-the-minimum-distance
/thread

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>>19156835
>>19156836

"As far as I can see, something can't be behind and in front of something at the same time"

Clouds dont have a uniform shape; they can form AROUND objects as seen in pics/footage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdojiTkJi_4

>>19156585
Holy shit. The sun is a hologram. Fact.

>>19156876

They also don't gave a uniform density or thinkness so the sun can shine through some areas and not others.

How come the sun and moon are only shown in front of thin clouds? They're never shown in front of thick clouds.

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>>19156958

(((thicc clouds)))

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>>19156949

>They also don't gave a uniform density or thinkness so the sun can shine through some areas and not others.

You're only proving my point. Why don't all the clouds go invisible within the sunlight?
>>19156958
They do, use your fucking eyes
see >>19156747
>>19156747
>>19156564

also maybe someone could explain this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN8yhUzqLCA

>>19157021
jus swamp ass

>>19157021
okay I will explain. It's fake. A horrible one at that. If you honestly believe the earth is flat, please chemically castrate yourself before you pass on your retarded genes.

>>19157021
What's the point of explaining? You'll figure out some way to "debunk" any explanation. Your mind is clearly already set.

>>19157021

Dude, you just quoted the answer to that question. Do you know how to fucking read?

>>19156613
>ad hominem
What a fucktard

>>19152947
Are you serious my nigga?

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>>19151217
Can anyone explain this??

see 15:10

https://youtu.be/HpBEduGMapw?t=908

>>19158667
I don't see what you're asking about. It's the earth at night through a low light camera. The flashes are lightning.

Math is a control system based on lies. Show me the number 3. Bring it to me so I can touch it. It doesn't exist.

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>>19155240
Because the human eye can only see so far. Earth is a flat plane that exists in the 3rd dimension which if observed from high enough will start to curve. However you will never ever see it as a ball because it just simply doesn't exist. The Heliocentric ball earth model is an invention of sun worshippers..

>>19159123
>Because the human eye can only see so far.
Does the distance you can see change with relation to where you are on the Earth? If the same atmospheric conditions were in place, can you see the same distance from the north pole as you can from the southern rim?

>>19159258
I've never been to the "North Pole" so I couldn't tell you how spacetime behaves at that point

>>19159117
whoah!!!! WAIT A FUCKING MINUTE

>>19159282
First, why did you put North Pole in quotes? Are you denying that the Flat Earth has a center now?

Second, it doesn't matter on the specific location. In the same atmospheric conditions, can a human see the same distance from Topeka, Kansas as Kiev, Russia? Or any other two points on Earth?

Or to put in general terms:
>Does the distance you can see change with relation to where you are on the Earth?

If you're going to answer, please actually answer.

>>19159294
Lol you want to talk about perception but not the really juicy part of my original post, eh?

>>19159305
I'd love to get to the juicy part, but let's work our way through it so I don't get lost. I'm on the first sentence and I have questions, won't you help?

>>19157021
Hey, that proves that the sun sets under the horizon. Or you claim that your 5000 miles high spotlight can get waaay below clouds?
Talk about using brains, huh

>>19157225
That's why not a 100 scientists are arguing with fe's, but just a bunch of anons on x

>>19158667
I was thinking this is a bug in rendering or something. Then I noticed that camera in this shot was held. so, most likely explanation is those are spots on the illuminator.

>>19159117
>Math is a control system based on lies
Dude o, just, no

>>19157225
But doing the same to support it is fine?

>>19159315
Assuming you're being genuine and not shilling for your local sun cult: if the conditions were exactly the same (elevation, clarity) then yes you would be able to see the same distance at both points. A better question is if you had a reeaaallly powerful telescope and aimed it at the earth rather than the skies how far would you be able to see?

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>>19159522
I am neither genuine nor a shill. I am a contrarian. I poke holes in arguments and hope that it will get people to think deeper and fuller on their own conceptions. I asked a simple question to get you to stop being defensive and to start looking at your own thoughts. I ask a simple question to get simple answers, and then build on those answers.

Understand that I am not saying the stance you take in this argument is right or wrong. I don't care. I am purely looking at where the stance leads, and what further issues the proponents should look into.

Now the reason I ask is that according to this map - a map that is ubiquitously posted by FE proponents, and I have yet to see a serious alternative to - Portsmouth, New Hampshire (blue) should see the sun for much longer than Santiago, Chile (Red) during the Equinox. The Equinox is the time of year when the North and South Regions of the Earth receive the same amount of sunlight. The recorded times of sunrise, sunset, and the duration the daylight are for the Equinoxes in 2016 are below:

Santiago, Chile (33.4489° S, 70.6693° W)
20 March, 2016: Sunrise - 7:46am | Sunset - 7:52pm (12h6m44s)
22 September, 2016: Sunrise - 7:31am | Sunset - 7:39pm (12h7m58s)

Portsmouth, New Hampshire (43.0718° N, 70.7626° W)
20 March, 2016: Sunrise - 6:45am | Sunset - 6:55pm (12h10m28s)
22 September, 2016: Sunrise - 6:30am | Sunset - 6:39pm (12h8m38s)

Can you give me the sightlines for these two cities such that they see the sun for the same amount of time during these two days of the year on the Flat Earth map?

>>19159722
Please note the hour discrepancy on the clock is due entirely to arbitrary notation. I.e. timezones.

Chile - despite being squarely in the UTC-5 part of the Earth, is officially UTC-4. Even with this, the main thing is the duration. It's geometry really. How can the tangents made with a circle and point outside the circle be the same distance as a line made from the circle and a point inside the circle (that isn't further away than the center of the circle, that is)?

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>>19159750
Oof, timezone map here so you can see where Chile is in relation to the Eastern US. At least in terms of the Mercator Projection.

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And since I love maps, anyone else check out this guy's new map? It's called the AuthaGraph by Hajime Narukawa. Obviously he is concerned with relative landmass size, and has completely disregarded the shape of the Earth or where such landmasses would project onto a globe/FE.

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>>19159787
What's cool about it is the way he is trying to solve the (fictional) problem of flattening a sphere. Basically, he's using intermediary steps. Triangles FTW.

>A spherical surface is divided into 96 triangular regions
>The divided regions are mapped on 96 regions on an inflated tetrahedron while it maintains their area ratios
>The divided regions on an inflated tetrahedron are flattened to be a tetrahedron while it maintains their area ratios
>A rectangular world map is obtained by cutting out the tetrahedron
>The obtained rectangular world map. It's aspect is sqrt(3) : 4

>>19159722
Me. Heading to bed; I look forward to an answer tomorrow.

>>19156585
The light's so bright you don't see the little bit of fence wire.

>>19159123
>earth is a lat plane
>observed from high enough will start to curve
Which is it

>>19159722
I honestly don't know what to tell you. You're assuming I even believe the mainstream flat earth projection. You want me reach a conclusion based on information you've given me. How about you tell me what your take is, Mr. Contrarian?

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>>19159107
>>19159355

(((CGI)))

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>>19160132
It's both. Time to take some psychedelics and check out the 4th dimension, brother.

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>>19159787

>>19160265
>I honestly don't know what to tell you.
You could attempt the exercise I requested, or you could say "I cannot do that," or you could refuse to engage in which case your position looks incredibly weak.

>You're assuming I even believe the mainstream flat earth projection.
Oh no! No, not at all. I gave a clear reason as to why I am using that map.

>a map that is ubiquitously posted by FE proponents, and I have yet to see a serious alternative to

Do YOU have an alternative map of the Flat Earth? Will you share it with me? Can you show me on that map how this problem of the Equinox works?

>You want me reach a conclusion based on information you've given me.
No, I asked you to perform an exercise based on the information I've given you. Whether you reach a conclusion and what that conclusion will be is up to you. But only if you actually try to work with the info.

>How about you tell me what your take is, Mr. Contrarian?
I already did.

>I don't care. I am purely looking at where the stance leads, and what further issues the proponents should look into.

If you mean specifically the problem of the Equinox, I don't think the azimuthal projection can be an accurate depiction of the Earth. I think it is geometrically impossible.

I also think someone could see if a so-far unrecorded anomaly of light is causing this, but to add explanations for a single anomaly that also do nothing else is terrible science. I think if light bending were the cause, there would be other evidence of it, and anyone who is a proponent of such an idea should be spending every waking moment trying to find evidence of their supposition.

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>>19160806
Hotine's a nice one, but the point of the Authagraph is to give a similar shape while retaining accurate land mass shape and size ratios.

Obviously neither are suited for navigational purposes.

The really fun thing about the Authagraph is that since it is first projected onto a tetrahedron, the resulted cartography becomes a tesselation. It allows you to make lots of different maps just by putting the unfolded tetrahedron next to others and "cutting out" the map wherever you'd like (as long as you don't mind cutting some landmasses in half).

I honestly can't stand flat earthers, Christ that horizon shit is retarded

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>>19159522
>>19159722
>>19160265
>>19161272

OWNED
REKT
DE_STROYED

BALLERS = 100
FLATTIES = -10

>>19152192
Do the math yourself then, you mouth-breather.

>>19160612
Degenerate.

>>19161365
>FLATTIES = -100,000,000,000,000,000,000...
Fixed.

>>19154262
>>19154271
Why can't FE advocates ever address these images?

>>19164680
They see the trap, so they don't step in it. Your inquiry is a false narrative disguised as familiar and safe. Evolution I guess?

>>19164718
Of mice and men...HGTTG
Time to build a better mouse trap

>>19164718
What trap is there in basic observations about stellar and solar positions compared against flat earth cosmological models?

>>19159123
If the human eye can only see so far, then why can I see the moon which is hundreds of thousands of miles away and not New York City wich is only a few hundred miles away.

Wait let me guess... The moon is fake.

>>19160758
Not sure what this is trying to prove.

Does going to the moon mean you're not allowed to be bored ever again.

>>19151967
>>19156827
>implying light doesn't progressively dim as it travels through material that isn't perfectly transparent.
>implying light doesn't progressively dim as it gets further away due to conservation of energy and the inverse square law
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malmquist_bias

Fucking globe-head idiot.

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>>19155240
"If the Earth is round, why can't I see people from space?"
That's how dumb your argument is. The atmosphere isn't invisible, you smooth brained idiot. Things fade into the distance.

>>19164791
You often can't though. The times when you can't are when the moon is closer to you. On top of that, the moon is much brighter than New York and much larger.

>>19164856
Can YOU draw a quick map showing how these two cities can get the same amount of sunlight on the same day?>>19159722

Feel free to use your own map and lines of sight.

>>19163657
Variety is the spice of life, my normie friend

>>19157021
have fat girthers never heard of adobe after effects?

https://youtu.be/FBqBaJK3230?t=109