Asatru and Northern magic

Look on eight chan/asatru and look for their pdf thread. They have big introduction to all stuff and even roman and greek paganisn if you're into that. Otgerwise I'd recommend "Summoning the Gods" and "TYR" vol1

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>>19135820
No, tumblr will usually pick the worst translation of an edda or saga.
Then they have these "books" on the ways of the north that have everything all wrong. Ex: Our Troth is highly favored by them but is not spiritual in anyway.
I'd recommend reading metaphysics along with the eddas. Jackson Crawford's translation is acceptable, though Old norse is always better

>>19135861
With metaphysics you mean Plotinus and Schopenhauer or something else?

Here, read these before you ever touch the runes. Children of Odin andthe Hovamal.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/ice/coo/index.htm
http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/poe/poe04.htm
If you cannot grasp the sacrifices made for your survival, you have no right to use galdr or the runes?

>>19135683
>Northern magic
So, seiðr?

Religion Primer:
http://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/16297813/#16297990

Magical Primer:
http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/13370057

Rune Divination Commentary:
http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/15923579/#15950910

ive got loads, but u have to be of european heritage, as in white, if you are not there is no point in trying.

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>>19136738
Yeah I'm a Dane, but i do not see the relevance of race in this - I'm a Dane who wants to learn about the customs of his own people. An Italian would have another approach because the tradition that his ancestors had was different, but i do not see why it would not be available for him if he wanted to learn - the same with African, Asian, American, etc.

But what do you have of information, as said before; i am interested in leaning the customs of our people.

>>19136738
And if you wandered - I'm white as fuck

>>19138475
How the fuck do you not see race as important in ancestor religion? Odin was your ancestor, man the fuck up.

>>19138657
Odin Oathbreaker I might add.
Race has nothing to do with it. it is about what we choose and is set in our path.

>>19138657
I want to learn about asatru - not politics.
If it's relevant to other races or not, is in this instance irrelevant, because I want to learn about asatru.
If you wanna discuss stuff like race, go back to /pol/ because i wanna discuss something important: Asatru.

>>19138657
Idiot with weak sense of masculinity detected

I have a question: why is Jætte translated as ice giant?

>>19142647
because hollywood and marvel are retarded

>>19143334
But I've seen translaions of "sons of Odin" and even danish translation of the eddas that say "giant" and not Jætte.

>>19143381
Well, Jætter tend to be referred to as giants, but perhaps giants don't have to be jætter?

Either that or the translator was inconsistent.

>>19143428
>>19143381
.. Truth is, Norse mythology is generally more folk-tales than structured, consistent, organized religion.
I personally like that about it.

>>19143484
I love how much (danish) slapstick humor they use

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>>19141977
Who said anything about politics? You are deluded if you think this isn't about blood.

>>19143681
just because it was used by some nazis doesn't mean they represent the old religion.

imagine if every single band, game or piece of artwork were to be judged by its fanbase

>>19144755
I think he's saying they won't work if you're not a pure blood.

>>19145350
that is some bullshit man.

no blood is pure in this world, although we may delude ourselves. we all share creation and a god so fettered and picky would not last long without it's supposed purity.
Even Odin had a father and before them there were many.

These trains of thought are for the weak of mind and character. A true embarrassment for a culture that celebrates the joy of showing one's strength and pride on the battlefield.
Yet such foolishness has only recently been taking hold in such mighty stupor.

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>>19145350
This is you fucking twat!
Get yourself together, fucking skin pigment doesn't mean shit - go back to /pol/! You are a beta who has to refer to his race to feel special instead of your own accomplishments - that's fucking weak, and no Asa would respect you for that.

>>19135683
Historically, vikings mostly held magic in contempt. If you want to follow Asatru then learn to wrestle, box, practice swordmanship, archery. lift weights, et cetera. 90% of the time you see an Asatruarmadur he's built and could kick most people's asses - it's a warrior religion, not a religion for fags dancing around chanting.

>>19136738
Those other pricks don't understand the importance of blood and how it can effect your ability to effectively practice certain things. I am of European heritage and I'd love to see the works you have

>>19145350
Unless your family has been inbreeding for the last couple of centuries you're not a pure-blooded anything.

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>>19144755
Have you even attempted to read Evola, Jung, or Serrano?

>>19145661
>race is skin pigment
t. nu-pagan tainted with judeo-christian values

Poser, traitor

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>>19146213
Mongoloid master race

>>19146272
Jung talks about the archetypal father which Odin, Yahweh, Zeus and Osiris represents...

>>19146285
Racist searching for a metaphysical excuse for your bigotry. You are lame and weak.

>>19146332
Keep projecting your own lack of masculinity on everyone else kek.

>im gonna follow the old gods while being a champion of modernity!
>classical definitions of masculinity? that's for loser beta-males! lack of social standards is the true way

>>19146373
>Muh race makes me important

What does classical definitions of masculinity have to do with race?

Leaning back and saying "I am proud of my race" is weak because you have not done any effort - true pride comes from merit. It comes from fighting your inner and outer monsters and winning. Not from having a certain skin pigment, and not from having cool forefathers.

>>19146403
>What does classical definitions of masculinity have to do with race?
Defending your tribe? Defending your family? Conquering other tribes to bring glory, bread and living space for your tribe?

>Leaning back and saying "I am proud of my race" is weak because you have not done any effort
This is a strawman.

>true pride comes from merit.
There is no merit in selling away the future of our children and grandchildren.

>Not from having a certain skin pigment
Either you're ignorant on the subject of race and genetics or you're intentionally spewing this left-wing dogmatic talking point. Skin color is an attribute of race, not race itself. I could show you studies, graphs, statistics etc but I'm sure you've already seen them and chose to ignore them, instead favoring the filth of modernity that you grew up around. This is purely speculation but I'm willing to bet you're one of two types of people:

A fat slob roleplaying as a pagan without fully committing to a traditional worldview
or a well kept and physically fit but vapid, uninteresting and ultimately soulless slave. If your worldview is about conquering your inner monsters, you have a lot of work to do.

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>>19146322
And Jung was a friend of Miguel Serrano, and even helped write with him.

>>19146415
>A fat slob roleplaying as a pagan without fully committing to a traditional worldview or a well kept and physically fit but vapid, uninteresting and ultimately soulless slave. If your worldview is about conquering your inner monsters, you have a lot of work to do.
Kek, nowhere near.

>Defending your tribe? Defending your family? Conquering other tribes to bring glory, bread and living space for your tribe?
My tribe are not all white people.
My tribe is people i care about, people who have sentimental value to me, like my family and friends and broader my country and then the world - race is too arbitrary.

>Conquering other tribes to bring glory,
Today we live in a society where we do no have to destroy others to bring glory to ourselves and family - though we still have to fight.

>Either you're ignorant on the subject of race and genetics or you're intentionally spewing this left-wing dogmatic talking point. Skin color is an attribute of race, not race itself. I could show you studies, graphs, statistics etc but I'm sure you've already seen them and chose to ignore them, instead favoring the filth of modernity that you grew up around.
I've seen studies that show black people generally has the lowest IQ. But this is because of malnutrition due to poverty that gives brain damages.
I know there are other aspects to race than skin colour, like lung size, dick size, ass size, hair growth, etc. but i think all of them are nearly unimportant in this matter.

>>19146415
Dude how fucking dumb are you? Odin is literally the All-Father meaning when he breathed life into Ask and Embla (Ash and Elder) he made all of humanity's ancestors. You're the one picking and choosing the parts to believe and ignoring others

>>19146477
Kek

>>19146465
>My tribe are not all white people.
Wrong. You don't get to pick and choose. Besides the concrete biological/physical element of race, there is the psychological one. People are naturally tribalistic, even things like appearance and speech mannerisms have a subconscious effect on your attitude and the attitude of others, as shallow as that may seem. You're a fool if you throw your lot in with foreign races and you will get burned for it eventually. White people are the only ones who think in this universalist fashion because they are taught to from a young age. People of other races for the most part have their in-group preference intact. Your definition of a tribe is the arbitrary one.

>Today we live in a society where we do no have to destroy others to bring glory to ourselves and family - though we still have to fight.
You're living in an age of conquest right now. Just because the conquerors aren't using axes, guns, swords or shields doesn't mean they're not conquering. They're able to do it without violence because weak traitors in our ranks are letting them in. Because greedy traitors in the highest echelons of our society can profit from their cheap coolie labor by saturating the labor market, decreasing average wage and expectations for quality of life. You will be remembered as one of the people who helped to destroy our civilization. Or perhaps not remembered at all, forgotten like the rest of the native Western peoples.

>But this is because of malnutrition due to poverty that gives brain damages.
Incorrect. Minnesota transracial adoption study. SAT scores also show that white people perform at a higher average than black people at every socio-economic level. Kenyan children on average aren't provably self aware until they're over 5 years old.

Egalitarianism, the idea of equality and universalism are all rooted deeply in Christian theology. You're merely a Christian with a "pagan" aesthetic tacked on.

>>19146477
A profoundly universalist take on the mythos of a tribal religion.

>>19146477
Humanity as the ancients understood it did not include Africans, Arabs, East Asians etc. Are you really going to imply that people in the far-flung northern reaches of Ancient Europe even knew Africans existed?

It is an ethno-centric religion.

>>19146520
Where is your source on this?
I would personally expect the Vikings(or what you want to call our culture at that time) regarded the Romans they worked for and traded with as human beings - the same with the Mongolians they traded with.

>>19146515
It's not like Judaism and Zoroastrianism where God says "You are my chosen people". Here every human descends from Odin, and people choose to worship him.

>>19146512
Mate white tribes fought each other the most - your tribe is the people you care about and want to protect - not race. - and i would not deny that there are communities of race that support each other like a tribe but those are communities. And please quit that talk about Ragnarok - yeah SJWs are annoying as shit, but it's not the end of the world. There are also studies showing that Asians are smarter than white people.

>>19146575
>every human
Bull fucking shit. Look into some linguistics shitlord. The word MAN refers SPECIFICALLY to the descendants of Mannaz and references Hyperborean bloodlines.
Worship your own fucking ancestors. Aren't there great chinks and nogs out there?

>>19146619
- and what does IQ have to do with Asatru?

>>19146631
I would refer you to >>19146520

>>19146631
Wups i mean >>19146565

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>>19146649
The Romans are an offshoot of the same peoples. The romans themselves stated as much, and repeatedly stated that the gods of their neighbors were but the same as their own, by the names of other dialects. Example, Ogmius was Hercules, Hercules the name being a surname mind you, denoting lineage, while Ogmius is a first name, equivalent with the name Ogygus.
FURTHER, note that if you were to study linguistics, you would find that all three, Latin, ancient Scandinavian, and Germanic languages have roots in what would be called Sanskrit! This is no coincidence but rather evidence of heritage, as they all trance their path back to mount Meru!

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>>19146646
Also, why must the shills always call a love for our people hate? We do not hate all other races because we love our own.

>>19147129
Although you are dancing a bit around the subject, there is also the Irish Ogma and Gaul Ogmios.
Which came before both cultures.
As you mention they come from the ancient Hindu civilizations.
And as you go further and further back in time you will realize they all had a common point of ancestry long ago.
Well done

>>19136465
That's a woman's craft. Odin had to cross dress pretty sure to learn it. Also for a man to practice seidhr was considered ergi.

>>19147129
The Voodoo and Saintaria deities are also very similar to the greek gods...

>>19147166
This must be bate

>>19147213
>hindu
No, they came from a civilization that predates hindi peoples, the civilization that came before the indus peoples. Thank you for adding to what I said though, this subject has been too politicized and it is a struggle to convey. Remmber, a people without thie history become slaves.

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>>19147373
>bait
It is the truth. The conspiracy of WWII is that it had nothing to do with racism, good, or evil, only with the union of Capitalism and Communism against National Socialism which threatened both. I find this relevant because now it is our very culture that threatens the status quo

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>>19147218
Seidr is the art of weaving the currents, the threads of Fate. Celtic knotwork is an example, as is the Valknot.

>literally no discussion of Norse mythology or magic

>>19148816
Anyone who is unwilling to learn it's history and the sacrifices made, is unworthy of having the information.
Though if you read he thread, you'd know your assessment was shit.

>>19148837
This entire thread has been a Folkish vs Universalist argument. Both sides have repeated the same arguments for decades, and it has never gone anywhere, nor has the discussion ever been terribly interesting.

t. graduate degree in history and expert in Norse mythology

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>>19148889
Oooh wow, you graduated from college in a field that can only get you a job teaching at the college that gave you the degree, so you can regurgitate the same kiked bullshit that you were spoonfed, in exchange for years of debt! What an authority!

>>19148910
>can only get you a job teaching at the college that gave you the degree
Not at all, you know very little of academia. You typically don't lecture where you got your degree.

>so you can regurgitate the same kiked bullshit that you were spoonfed
Graduate school is independent research, not regurgitation. How do you not know this?

>in exchange for years of debt
Zero debt, fully funded.

Nice try

>>19148889
I fucking hate the Folkish v. Universalist shit that plagues the Asatru community.

It's gotten to the point where if you're not one, you're the other. There's no middle ground which is fucking stupid.

If a christian might offer some advice, you probably shouldn't get involved in a folk religion if you don't like folkish ideas. Also, don't engage in this sophistry where you try to redefine the meaning of folk/tribe/family, you should not lie to others or to yourself.

There are plenty of universalist religions out there, so I'm wondering what your motivations are. It seems like you want an identity, but not if it distinguishes you from others. You want to reconnect with your heritage, but only if it includes every other ethnicity as well. Your thinking is confused and your desires are in contradiction with each other.

Alternatively, you are a total faggot seeking to commodify your own past, and craft your own Christ-free artisanal spiritual window dressing so that all the other rootless urbanites recognize you as the most authentic snowflake of them all.

As for everyone else, I'd like some recommendations for books on runology, particularly focusing on the Anglo-Saxons.

>>19135683
why does Asatru get so much attention and not Celtic mythology

>>19149089
This is spot on. I just wouldn't recommend Christianity as the truth like this guy would.

I'd recommend sitting down and thinking about just who you are and what you are looking for. Because if you're trying to FIND an identity in something else rather than forming an identity and following beliefs which reflect who you are already, you're doing it backwards and it won't work very well for you. You need to figure out who you are first.

That isn't to say you can't read any spiritual books or other things along the way, but you need to find your own sense of identity first before you jump into anything. Because if you do that, it'll either fail because you change over time and realize it isn't working out because your identity is still trying to work itself out, or you will have your entire identity dicated by said beliefs and be radical and dogmatic. In which case you are unable to really seek out the truth or even grow as a person because your entire identity and spirituality is defined by very specific parameters.

>>19147535
saying there was no connection to racial ideas is pretty bogus, there definitely were

>>19138475
its not like there are no magical traditions for Africans, Asians, and Amerindians.

desu I feel the same about Plastic Shamans who appropriate native magical traditions without any social or blood connection to them.

>Ancestor worship
>"but its ok if they aren't my ancestors"

really silly, I know Wodenism gets stretched pretty far since the definition of "Germanic" is REALLY loose, but in general most indo-euro faiths have some degree of connection between them, even as far away as India, that doesn't mean that everyone here becoming hindus would be terribly legitimate, but at least that ancestral/cultural connection is there

not the case for a white man practicing Vodun for example, or an east Asian Odinist.
not that you CANT do it, it just seems a bit unhelpful.
like myself, I'm in Vietnam right now, and while I respect the ancestors of the people here and do my part to make offerings as I live here, I don't worship them as they are not my ancestors.

>>19149292
If ya wanna be technical all humans are related. And pretty closely too even compared to other species due to genetic bottlenecks. So, yes, their

>>19149308
their practices and beliefs are fair game. And you are related to all those same people they are, it's only a matter of how far removed. And unless you want to get into a sorites paradox, it'd be pretty dumb to say people can't practice shit unless their ancestors did. Cultures change. Christianity was once a Jewish faith from the Middle East and yet is seen as a standard European religion now.

So, just stop being retarded.

>>19149308
>If ya wanna be technical all humans are related
that is true, and its why I'm not saying "DO NOT DO THIS!" since there is always a degree of continuity between cultures and faiths to some degree.

but it just seems silly. think of it again like these white "gurus" who hold new age drum circles and other native shit while sharing no social connection or blood connection to the people or spirits they are working with.
its silly, that's not saying you can;t take an interest in native traditions or even take some ideas from them, but when you adopt the mantle entirely of an Amerindian shaman you're just lying to yourself.

>>19149329
But they do have a social connection, otherwise they wouldn't be interested in the faith. And they do have a blood connection since all humans do. You just think it looka retarded. But it is no more retarded than Judaism/Christianity starting off as a faith solely for Jews being changed to take in gentiles and then going on to be the standard religion in Europe. Or Aryans bringing over their caste system and religion and then having Indians adopt it as their main faith and cultural system. Or Buddhism starting off in India and then becoming a mainly Asian religion. Or Southeast Asians/other people following the Quran and reading it in Arabic and following the religion and practices from 600s Arabia.

>>19149326
eclecticism is one thing, you're right that cultures/ideas change and adapt, but complete usurpation is another
if an Odinist wanted to incorporate some concepts like the "vision quest" into his faith, it could work out fairly well and not run counter to anything else.

but when you're just completely adopting something alien, or alternatively picking and choosing so much from so many places that your faith becomes just a jumbled incoherent mess (like nearly all new age non-blood related faiths) you're only hurting yourself and being disingenuous.
think about why you care so much about the faith to begin with if you have no blood or social connection to it in even the slightest.

is it just the "look" of it, the fashion? why is this more attractive than something with real social and blood connection to you?
like I said I'm in Vietnam right now and would find it very silly if I entirely adopted the ancestor worship of the locals, it would be completely disingenuous
now I'll leave tea for the house gods as a sign of respect but hats a far cry away from actual worship.

>>19149354
you're confusing things
Europeans didn't just adopt Jewish Messianic Christianity, it was completely changed and molded into the European context, so thus it came to be important to them.
same with Buddhism, the variants practiced here in Asia are not even close to those of ancient India, they have been translated, adapted and molded by the context of east Asian life and culture, with local Gods adopted into the framework.

this is not the same as wholesale adoption, and even more than that, none of these faiths you've mentioned are ancestral or tribal, they are "universalist" thus making adoption easier.
Wodenism is ancestral at its core, denying this is again lying to yourself.

Can't help but notice none of you have recommended any books on runology.

>>19149308
>>19149326
>Well all humans are related on some level so if you really think about it, I am related to black people on some level, therefore I am a black man via a transitive property. With ironclad logic like that, the True Black Israelites has no choice to let me in.

What did I say about intellectual dishonesty, you lutefisk-addled millenial? Do you have to undergo cult deprogramming before you can accept that not everyone can have the same ancestors?

>>19149089
>As for everyone else, I'd like some recommendations for books on runology, particularly focusing on the Anglo-Saxons.

Ok now. I agree with this chap. Lets talk about Asatru and good books related to the subject, and leave the Folkish vs Universalist discussion to another time.

>>19147218
Odin also hung himself to learn runic magic.

Quite a badass.

>>19150170
That was not as simple as that. The nordics spoke in kennings. "Odin's spear" on one side, the "world tree" on the other, does not equate to hanging on a tree and stabbing yourself.

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>>19149089
Thank you christian. Please, please keep these idiots for yourself and do your best to free them from their programming. If they show up at the moot, they will be sacrificed like a tasty sheep, but without the shaving.

>>19149931
>not everyone can have the same ancestors?
depends on how far back you go you arrogant bottom-feeder, but seriously you're shiting up the thread, talking about your love for your genes isn't going to get you anywhere near spiritual enlightenment, infact it will do the opposite. the fact that you continue to push your bullshit shows me that you were your priorities are. to you politics will always be more important than spirituality & magic so honestly take a time out and think about what really matters

>Wodenism is ancestral at its core
and one day there may be a group or culture that takes wodenism and warps it into something new, or wodenism will die and will never return, or maybe it will be incorporated into a patchwork of other spiritual beliefs. of course you can be pragmatic about it and say "denying this is lying to yourself" but spirituality isn't rigid and if you think it is you're the one lying to yourself

>tldr guys can all of us just equally fuck off me included?

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>>19151105
Or perhaps you're the one shitting up he thread, by forcing your marxist worldview on others for choosing to trust the ways of their ancestors that lasted hirteen thousand years!
Why would n atheist like you have to spout their opinions in this hread? Do you feel threatened by the concept that a people could have pride in their own traditions, in their blood, and in their heritage left for them by their ancestors? You are a racist and a bigot!

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>>19151239
>Or perhaps you're the one shitting up he thread, by forcing your marxist worldview
if it's no helping op then it's shiting up the thread, simple as that.

>for choosing to trust the ways of their ancestors that lasted hirteen thousand years!
which ways? unless you do literally everything your ancestors did to the best of your abilities than your cherry picking and full of dog shit, get over yourself

>in their blood, and in their heritage
based on this than many black americans should by your own admission be able to be part of "european ancestral religons" because they have European ancestry from slavery, and a sizable population of white Americans would be able to take part in "african ancestral religions" because there are also white Americans people who descended from slaves.
and even if you take the "muh pure genes" route, if a 100% asian person decided that for some reason that they feel a connection with a European spiritual framework than really the only that should stop them from doing it is if they can't really bear magic from it. All that stuff that >>19149355 is talking about being "disingenuous" is just a state of mind. You may cringe when you see a pale white guy doing devot bhuddism but if he is producing results than how anyone other than him feels doesn't matter.


if they can produce positive results but you continue to spout your drivel than "ancestral magic" is more of a huge LARP to you than you care to admit

>>19151430
lol, projecting much? You're quoting your own perceptions.

>>19151638
>lol, projecting much?
no, not really

>>19151638
>You're quoting your own perceptions
>you're perceiving your own quotes
.your own quotes are perceiving
>your perception quotes are your own
>own your quotes you're perceiving
no, not really

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>>19152054
You brought up the mutts out of the assumption that I'd give a fuck. They get to pick and choose because their parents fucked around, and suffer enough from that, that I have no reason to bother trolling them.
>cherry picking
That's your job commie
>no really
Not an argument.
So again, you are projecting. Why does it bother you that white men could have their own gods and own culture?

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>>19152327
>You brought up the mutts
wew lad, no whos projecting? i brought up multiple possibilities but you bring up the mighty mutts? lolol

>That's your job commie
if it's my job why are you one doing it?

>Why does it bother you that white men could have their own gods
i forgot about the white woman you bafoon. and just to be clear if the gods allow people of other backgrounds and culture to worship them than your opinion means jack diddly shit now doesn't it? :)

now hears the thing, for the most part i wouldn't recommend that an asian practice European centric religons or a african practice native american centric religions, but magic IS about finding out what works for you. Big part of magic is the state of mind and the feeling that you are following in the foot steps of your ancestors could be a good stepping stone for some people, but if a person can see past all that conjecture and still manifest good results than all the "muh ancestors stuff" is a none issue.

>and own culture
spirituality=/=culture they influence each other but make no mistake they are different.

Ok, now that everyone have said what they wanted about race and stuff, can we finally talk about ACTUAL asatru? I mean spirituality and shit. What to read, how to practice, how you personally practice, how to get started, what to expect - you know, the reason why i started this thread.

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>>19153056
Oh, HI OP! I didn't know you were actually still here, so was just shitposting. Have you read the lore? Children of Odin is a great an easy read, as linked earlier in thread. Th Hávámal is a must read as well, and children of the volsungs too. Do not even attempt this path until you understand it's history and the sacrifices made in your name by your ancestors.
When you can explain why these sacrifices were made, why these pains endured, then we can begin.

>>19153458
AHUA

I have a first edition

>>19153466
So, why did Odin sacrifice his eye into Mimir's well, into the waters of fate and destiny?

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>>19153466
Are you OP? Great book isn't it. I wish I had pic related, but soon. If not OP, you should definitely join in.

>>19153515
Odin did not sacrifice his eye he traded it
"to lose vision in one world and gain vision in another"

He willingly gave his eye to see the future, to see Ragnarok, to allow him to prepare to fight.

>>19153589
Literally everything odin did was in pursuit in knowledge and wisdom in order to gain any edge he could against the forces looking to cause destruction. He literally dedicated his life to this. Which is why he spent so little time in asgard, he instead wandered the roads of midgard asking his own worshippers for knowledge and kindness under the guise of a traveler, he sought powerful creatures and relics from all corners of every realm in order to do Anything he could to prevent ragnarok, and what makes it all even more honorable and heroic to my atleast, was he saw his own doom, he saw ragnarok and KNEW it was unavoidable and still exhausted every option to fight it.

>>19153589
Good good. You see through words to truth. The sacrifice was not his eye, for it was bargained and the price was quite fair. The sacrifice was pain.

Next, of what does it mean to be hung between Yggdrasil and his own spear? Such a mighty tree with such deep roots, and a spear that shatters the swords of heroes.

>>19153600
>prevent ragnarok
If he saw that it could not be avoided, are you certain the purpose was to stop it? His eye dwells within the well, the center of the great wheel of cycles that spins perpetually giving the illusion of time, the wellspring that consumes as it feeds.
I ask this out of curiosity, as I have stood within but one well but only glanced down upon the eye that sees all from within the well of mimir.

>>19153621
if not then what other option would he have?
Why gather warriors?
Why bind fenrir?
Why offer Skadi a husband if not for her assistance durning ragnarok? so she would feel a sense of loyalty to the gods due to her husbands connection to them?
>Why shame himself and know he would be considered an "effeminant" god by choosing to use seiðr? in norse culture the use of magic is strictly womanly, it would be equal to wearing a dress in modern day. youre looked at as lesser, which is why odin is respected as the all father but not worshipped as often or openly as Tyr or Thor.

of course most of this open to interpretation but this is what i believe, i follow odin, and do my best to approach things as he would, and yes i feel his intention was prevention.

as for his eye perpetually swirling thats assuming he has the ability to see out of it still, ive heard no tell of this but i could see it possible.

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>>19153636
>muh SkadixBeldr shipping

>>19153612
Doesn't it mean willingly as an eternal being to take a physical form between life and death?

>>19146403
>you can't be proud of your race's accomplishments
>you must feel guilty about every bad thing they did
I hope your wife's mixed-race son never needs an organ transplant.

>>19154800
>you must feel guilty about every bad thing they did
This is a straw man and is not true.

>>19149329

Drumming to drive trance states and "enter other worlds" is a global phenomenon. No culture "owns" it exclusively, so the condemnation of "core shamanism" and related systems - including drumming circles - is specious and agenda driven.

>>19154715
The spear is the ego and the Vrill.
>>19153636
>why why?
It is more than just one cycle, one battle that is at stake. The deeds in one time ripple throughout the well and back within it, effecting all.
>getting nord a wife...
Does Odin really get that credit entirely? I suppose he did pick the method... I can hardly think od a response to this that wouldn't be better fit for the gossip of old women or drunken jokes, and I am neither a woman or drunk.
>shame
It's called humor. "Oh yes, Odin's knitting again" there are many forms and styles of magic, and weaving the threads of fate are nothing to be scoffed at, but humor is always good to have in dark days.
>thor more popular than Odin.
Thor is more fun at a party? Seriously speaking, the Path that Odin cuts for a man is not an easy one for lesser men. You must be driven and willing to be fully BOUND to your cause and your volk, tieing your fate it's self to your cause, your volk, and Odin's will. You are assured a violent death and are sworn to your fate. You WILL be called at the moment of your absolute peak, struck down so that you are saved from a diminishing fate, so that you will be at your best when called upon in the future to fight with the might of your pure self at the end of the next cycle. Most would rather be home, safe in their bed, bedside their wife and caring for their children, alive to watch them grow strong and prosper, and I do not blame a one of them.

>>19147129
The Romans synchronized other deities with their own for the express purposes of easing integration of foreign pantheons into the state sponsored Emperor cult. They literally didn't care what you prayed to, so long as you'd revere official Imperial imagery, and pay your taxes when asked.

Also, you do a disservice to PIE scholarship by tying Naziism and Thule language into it. But I digress.

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>>19159040
And who told you that, the (((history channel)))? The only sources I will trust are the mouths of the men involved and myself.