Serial Killers

>>19126859
About the Zodiac.
Do you think is dead ? I believe that he died.

>>19126864
According to SFPD, he was about 30... Highly unlikely that he is alive. I like the Zodiac, but I always thought the geniality of his MOs and taunts were tainted by copycats.

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>>19126859

To be honest, I don't have a favorite, but if I had to choose, It'd be between Albert Fish and Henry Lee Lucas.

>>19126871
30yo in 1967. According to a website.
2017-1967= 50.
50+30= 80~.
He can be alive. And I don't like the Zodiac. So I prefer to knows him dead.

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>>19126859
Richard Chase was pretty horrific but also amusing to read about.

>>19126886
I mean....he can be alive, but I think it's unlikely.
I liked his cyphers. It is a shame that no one was able to crack them.
Also, I started this Discord server which is /x/ based. If anyone is interested, here's the link:
https://discord.gg/NcewQvR

>>19126902
He was insane. I read about him. Apparently he didn't give a fuck about the killing and went from house to house doing weird shit before killing.

>>19126859
Scariest by far is Zodiac
He was a true pro who could prey on anyone and mever got caught

>>19126933
But the copycats/attention whores destroyed his rep.

>>19126871
Surely I have not reached this point in time yet, I still haven't gotten over all the World War I vets being dead.

>>19126958
I wish there could be a bit more interest in Serial Killers in /x/. Everyone always likes to see the conspiracies, cryptids, and all those things that may not be real but no one likes to take a look at the real shit: things the Serial Killers do.

terrorists are pretty cool guys

Terrorists are never fully studied like Serial Killers, I think only American mass murderers are throughly researched. Columbine, Virginia Tech, McVeigh..

>>19126859
Ed Gein...although he doesn't have many kills under his belt he had a lot of nipples there to make up for it lol

>>19127015
lmao. I think what he did makes up for the lack of victims.

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>>19126911
I found his schizoid fears to be both amusing and incredibly sad. I don't know how I'd react to finding a cow liver in someone's car only to find them stalking around the forest, half naked, covered in the blood of said cow.

I think he's tied for favorite with Dahmer but for different reasons. I can't help but really sympathizing with Dahmer. He knew how sick he was but just couldn't find help. He's a monster of a human being and I'm glad he's dead, but his plight is very understandable. Plus he helped law enforcement better understand what exactly goes on in the mind of a serial killer, thus helping in stopping them before they even start

>>19127052
Dahmer was good, but I still prefer Fish because Fish was even more fucked up. I almost puked while reading the Grace Budd letter.

>>19126881
Henry Lee Lucas wasn't a serial killer. The only person he killed was his mom (bitch had it coming) and possibly "Orange Socks". He confessed to the LEO team assigned to him any unsolved murder they asked about because he received excellent treatment from them for doing so.

>>19127193
He was a drifter, so I would not be sure.

Btk was pretty wild. A church going Boy Scout who stalked and suffocated ten people and would've gotten away with it if he hadn't brought attention to himself again.
Bundy is the goat though, at least thirty victims and were not talking hookers, were talking some of the most incredible looking victims you'll ever see. Upstanding innocent hotties
Long Island who hasn't been caught and likely skipped town. Anyone who gets away with it adds that aura of mystery

>>19127234
Bundy had that charm going. I bet he was a really good talker. What never ceases to amaze me is how a simple thing is always what gives them away. A letter, a car.

>>19127193
Pardon me, I confused the unidentified victim "Orange Socks" with Becky Powell (killed with Rich) due to the length of time since I was acquainted with Lucas's story. Even his guilt for the latter two murders to him are somewhat suspect. Unfortunately, he died in prison for his lies enabled by the Lucas Task Force's complicity in the farce.

>>19127234
I actually was pen pals with BTK for a little bit, he decorates his letters with wonderful artwork. Seemed like a pretty normal Midwestern dude desu.

He got caught because he couldn't into computers and didn't know files could be traced. If he'd kept doing his old method of dropping letters he probably would've been free.

>>19127271
Dennis Rader was a smart dude, right? I don't recall him being "slow"

>>19127279
I got the impression from his letters he was just the sort of guy that gets stuck in his time, like he's smart and damn clever when it came to planning things but he didn't keep up with computers and criminal investigation and all the changes tech. was bringing.

The same sort of thing happens to a lot of people as they get older, it's just in his case it tripped him up.

>>19127290
I think that Serial Killers have evolved but the one with most kills will probably never be surpassed unless some is actually good at covering his/her tracks. Police work and the technology we have nowadays makes it more difficult for them to hide.

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>>19127271
Did he ever write you poems?

>>19127339
That's a shitty poem tho

>>19127339
Is this the actual poem? There's a song called O Death that seems to rip this poem!

>>19127339
Why didn't you appear?

>>19127200
I'm the guy you replied to and also happen to be somewhat of a 'drifter'. How a person lives isn't indicative of their capacity and desires, predatory or otherwise. I've never killed, and even saved some lives. Lucas, I concede was a criminal and a drifter, but apart from his outrageously abusive mother, he wasn't a killer.

>>19127376
With saying he was a drifter, I meant that he could have killed another drifter and then dumped the body elsewhere, never to be found.

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Do you think serial killers are bad people?

>>19127435
Not bad people. I see Serial Killers as a necessary problem in our society. These people live thinking it is normal to do such things. Besides, it keeps people in line and in touch with reality.

>>19127435
Anyone who kills outside of self defense is a "bad person" in so far as they are dangerous and disturbed, but you can still have a up moral center inside past all of the insanity. Some people prone to hallucinations, those with florid psychosis are unaware of the harm they could be causing others or might even believe they are "saving" those they are killing. If this is a true belief, then they are sick but are not capable of being truly "evil". However, to my knowledge, there has never been a serial killer that has not been aware of what they were doing was illegal, immoral, or wrong. Closest I could think of would be Dahmer who felt remorseful for his crimes and became decent post medication, but he was very aware of everything he did. Maybe Ed Gein too, but he did hide his skins and his murders, so he too was aware.

Dean Corll was one of the craziest serial killers, a real monster. For some reason he is not as infamous as the big 3 dahmer/bundy/gacy. He had teenage boys work for him, luring fresh victims into his home for him to rape and torture for days and days before killing them.

One way he tortured teenage boys, was to stick a glass rod in their urethra, and use a pliers to break the glass while it's in their dickholes.

>>19127540
Dean Corll is underrated, yes. I'd say he is underrated because he wasn't caught and because media wasn't so focused into the case.

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>>19127481
>>19127495
I see. Thank you for helping me understand this, a little bit. If knowing and acknowledging your own actions as evil makes them evil, what of someone who is aware of how others feel and think but thinks differently?

Can a lion be a bad person, even if it knows it's murdering someone? It thinks differently to us, so killing is the right thing to do.

>>19127570
It's instinct in that case. People think murder is bad because we see each other as equals, while we are not. Who is more important? A brilliant scientist or a drifter? Who is more valuable? That's what makes us unequal.

>>19126994
There are numerous think-tanks that focuses exclusively on studying terrorists. Honestly don't know what you are on about.

Toolbox killers

>>19127357
The song O' Death predates BTK by decades.

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>>19127587
So you don't see murder as bad because the value of a life can be different from person to person?

>>19127570
Lions can only be bad lions anon, not bad persons.

>>19127540
Yup, corll is my favorite

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>>19127435
Yes? Maybe? It seems like more often than not, a lot of serial killers come from troubled homes and develop into what they become. Unfortunately we live in a world where more likely than not, most people come from troubled homes and deal with their bullshit in some manner or another without having to kill or rape or eat a person to feel fulfilled.

Don't get me wrong, I think serial killers are fascinating, but framing their "work" as this grandiose act of culling the worst or useless of the human race is just stupid. They're just pathetic people who can't get personal power through normal conventions so they decide to destroy others to do so.

More or less, they're a symptom of our shitty society.

>>19127435
As a Christian, yes.
As a thinker, there's more to it than good and bad. But I really do think they are bad, sick and demented people. I grew up in Liberty City, Miami. It's a warzone out there and as
>>19127982
Pointed out most folk dealt with their issue like normal human beings. I even have a toenail clipping of sympathy for people who kill others during robberies or gang warfare because I somewhat understand what poverty can do to a person. Most serial killers are just perverted, sad people.

>>19127271
You ever discuss his crimes, id love to hear a more personal description that wasn't in front of a judge

>>19127540
Definitely Corll. Something about him is more unsettling than any other serial killer. He wasn't fucked up as a kid (as far as its known) like the other well known serial killers. I think any one of us could have been victims as regular normal kids were lured by their 'friends'. I'm sure many of us can recall going over to a mutual friends house

Carl Panzram. Arguably the best specimen for the whole product of their environment argument.

>>19127435
Of course they are you fuck. I personally don't give a shit, but yes, they are obviously bad people. Most serial killers would probably agree with me too, because if they DON'T understand that their actions are wrong, that would make them criminally insane, which most serial killers are not.

>>19128399
as a christian I think it is definitely a little bit of both bad and good people. Dahmer I think was a good person but was messed up in the head and let his temptations get to him. I think he tried to make up for his ways in the end. Bundy is in the middle for me. He was probably a good person up until he would again give into his temptations. He even acted in disgust after his acts, although that doesnt make up for them. Then you do have evil like Albert fish or the toy box killer. They dont really have any redeeming qualities what so ever. I think there is an evilness with in all these serial killers but I dont necesarily believe they are completely evil. Again as a christian I do believe all these people could have been saved themselves.

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>>19127982
>>19128877
I appreciate the input. To clarify, being around violence and human corpses is just calming to me. It's a nostalgic, warm feeling like visiting the place of a good childhood memory.

I channel this into being an EMT, and eventually, a surgeon. I like to think I'm a better person than a serial killer, but I know that on the inside I am not entirely different from Ed Gein.

>>19128399
A lot of serial killers happen not because they're killing for pleasure, but because it makes them money. Insurance fraud, black widows, or just straight up assassination. Your logic is sound if we point out pleasure killers alone though, yes.

>>19129419
TYou sound calmer than mos socioptahs, I'm glad you find productive ways to use your disposition for murder.

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>>19129432
I hope I haven't left you with a false impression. Antisocial personality disorder has a tendency to create rowdy, adrenaline-seeking, and easily bored people due to trouble developing emotional attachments. I'm really not an exception. I have a high-risk job, commute on a motorcycle, constantly surround myself with things that give me pleasure... I really only try to look like I don't do these things because I understand my own disorder so well.

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>>19127435
>>19127570
>>19127699
>>19129419
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>>19129206
afaik there's no evidence that dahmer ever really cared about the victims but only their families and in particular his own. i think the only murder that really shocked him was the first one of steven hicks. the rest he disposed of with complete indifference, often completely annihilating living people into nothing but putrid sludge. he kept body parts for fetish reasons and as power symbols. he enjoyed the total possession of the person, consuming them and sending them spinning into 'infinity land', the strangely existential game a young dahmer made up about people disappearing into an infinite void. he only came to realize how much suffering he caused the families when he saw and heard them in court.

I still wonder how Gacy managed to kill that many boys without being noticed, truth be told.

>>19127435
The more interesting question to ask is:
Is there or was there a serial killer who is a decent memer and is down with the frog stuff and all that jazz?

>>19128851
I saw a show once, I forget what show it was. But a guy had met wayne henley at a party or something, and he asked him to come along to a friend's house to smoke weed and drink. The guy declined for whatever reason, a decision that saved him from rape torture and murder. Definitely some scary shot. Corll may be long dead, but you know it's probably still happening somewhere.

Gas all namefags.

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I know all about serial killers, my man. The two big classifications of serial killers are defined as "Product" killers and "process" killers.
A product killer is someone who only kills for the end result of the killing, rather than for the act of killing itself. Some examples of this include Jeffery Dahmer and Richard Chase, who wanted the end result of their crimes.
Process killers are the ones where the killing is their only motivation, usually a sexual thing: They don't steal, or have any motivation beyond the murders themselves. People who embody this are BTK (Dennis Rader), Russian killer Andrei Chikatilo, Dean Corll (arguably, he wasn't alive to get interviews with), and Carl Eugene Watts just to name a few.
If you're looking for who would be the "worst" kind of killers, the process killers tend to be the most brutal.

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Ian Brady wrote a book about serial killing "The Gates of Janus". Quite interesting, especially as it comes from the point of view of the serial killer. He claimed he killed and raped those children through "extreme nihilism".

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>>19127633
The Toybox Killer was far worse. For real, everyone here should look into this guy, and read the transcript he would play for his victims.

>>19126859
why dose the (((media))) glorify serial killer's and make whole channels devoted to them that only old grandmaws watch on tv 24/7, and they slobber all over these murdering deadbeat criminel sick scumbags, yet they hold up a certain national socialist german leader up to be the worst person of all times, and a horribel man, why don't you riddle me that, serial killer freaks?!?!

In search of a good/highly informative book about the Zodiac Killer. There are a lot out there, so I figured I would ask here for opinions. Does /x/ have any recommendations?

>>19132891
The fact that he prepared a recording, as well as the recording itself, is royally fucked; and most certainly unnerving.

>>19132920
Easy, to keep the population on its toes. The media obsessed over serial killers for decades, and portrayed them as these bogeymen in your closet that could get you at any moment to keep the public distracted and on edge. It's what they do with the spree killers now, and why you stopped hearing about real heavy-hitting serial killers after Columbine; the 24 hour news cycle got a better thing to milk and scapegoat.

>>19127435
People can go to war and kill 20+ people and be considered a hero, so no. If anything, serial killer are one of the very few who are still in touch with their primal instinct, which is deemed immoral by society when in reality we've been doing it for hundreds of thousands of years. I personally wouldn't kill anybody unless i had to tho.

>>19132921
"This is the Zodiac speaking" by Michael Kelleher