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I'm interested in obtaining Lycanthropy through magick.Anyone know a process I could follow?

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>>19056891
Kill wolf.
Skin wolf.
Wear wolf.
Become wolf.

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Good read?

>>19057086
Never read it but the little description on amazon makes it look like he doesn't understand what the Qlippoth are, and saying they are "repressed by western esoteric traditions."

What does /omg/ think about the Buddhist rejection of the Atman?

I'm here to discuss the occult and magic, hit me up and I'll do my best.

any thoughts on
>>19058055 ?

>>19057336

It seems pretty clear that a fixed essence wouldn't be conscious. But an essence could consist of a repeating structure, like a lietmotif.

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>>19058201
>>19058224
>>19058443
>>19058513
Oh, I didn't realize there was a new thread. Been busy with other things. Hello.

Question. I get that the library has a section for beginners, but... if there was one book that would be the best introduction to magic, what would you all suggest? Doesn't necessarily have to be in that folder, but it might be more helpful if it is.

I have so many books, and I don't know where to begin. I've been trying Agrippa's Three Books but the archaic syntax is a bit exhausting to follow.

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>>19056891
>>19056924
Wolf skin is pretty much the way to go. You can either wear the pelt outright with the head as a mask, a la shamanism, or you can go the route supposedly taken by sorcerers accused or claiming to be wolves, and have a belt made of pelt. Though these are usually said to be given by the Devil.

Same with a sort of salve to rub on to induce lycanthropy, so I don't know if there's a kind of recipe for it. There might be one though. Probably to do with hallucinogens that can be absorbed through the skin.

Have fun with your lupine roleplaying, I guess.

>>19058629
Really depends on what you hope to achieve through magick.

>>19058629
What's your goal?

>>19058640
Just trying to learn about it, really. Curiosity. But if I ever plan to do anything, it'll mostly be protection against shit.

Although if there are any genuine methods of scrying or divination, that would be useful too.

So this is the pastebin to search through if I want to summon a monstergirl wife right?

Because I want to summon a wife. I have no noble pursuits or ideals. I just want a monsterwife and to learn more about occultism, magic, theology out of curiosity.

>>19058798
Summoning Spirits by Konstantinos is good for beginners.

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>>19058640
>>19058771
>>19058798
Addendum to my issue of curiosity though, I'm just wondering as to what books are more useful to general purpose, with limited old superstition or new make-believe.

I guess I just see myself as an amateur anthropologist, with focus on belief, ritual, and cultural practices. But overall I think the question of "What do you want to do?" is strange to me. I'm kind of a hoarder of knowledge. So I want to learn about as much as is actually relevant, without filling my head with too much useless junk.

>>19058814
Oh good, I think I have that one.

>>19058809
What?

>>19058875
I want to summon a beast known as a monstergirl to anime fags to be my wife. Like a hellhound. Just imagine a half woman half wolf.

More interested in learning about summoning though.

>>19058809
Do one that /k/ anon did in the greentext. Go out in the woods and find a qt14 Skinwalker waifu.

>>19058893
That's stupid though.

>>19058911
No wait, let him do it.
The entity that takes over should be more interesting to dialogue with.

>>19056828
as stated in the Emerald Tablets by Thoth
real Magick is in knowledge that is gnosis
so simply think and you will be a king over yourself

Thread is slow, might as well bump with a question.
What are my occult options for bolstering a skill in which I have no natural talent or inclination towards, and thus far has resisted all attempts to just train through it.
Ars Notoria?
Goetia?
Do I follow in Robert Johnson's footsteps and have Papa Legba make me awesome?
Do I try invoking a Greek Muse?

What are my options here?

>>19059249
It's called practice you lazy fuck

>>19058798
>Although if there are any genuine methods of scrying or divination, that would be useful too.

They're all genuine in that they will function, and they will work to varying degrees depending on the person.

>>19059249
>Ars Notoria
Memory retention

>Goetia
Small to medium favors

>Papa Legba
Why not

>Greek Muse
Sure

So left hand path tantra, where can I get initiated and how do I practice it?

>>19059820


I think there's a section of tantra in the library

>>19060040

Yes, there is, but I am inexperienced and dunno what to look into.

>>19058951
>as stated in the Emerald Tablets by Thoth
You mean Doreal's bullshit """tablets"""?

Neat source.

>>19058536
Stop smoking pot and browsing /pol/.

>>19057086
Garbage.

>>19057105
Karlsson is half educated he just let his speculations run away with him.

Here's a nice little article debunking the long standing secular assertion that Mindfulness is the end-all be-all of Buddhist praxis and light years ahead of anything in the West.

Mindfulness 'meditation' does NOT foster empathy, as it constrains one's focus on one's own phenomenology (unless done in a group setting, but even then) and after only five minutes of mindfulness 'meditation', narcissists actually become WORSE.

Explains a lot about folks like Sam Harris and your /pol/ or /his/ or /lit/ or /sci/ fag materialists who think they've achieved the pinnacle of Buddhist thought by focusing on a chair or tree for two and a half minutes when they're upset.

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15298868.2016.1269667

Almost every single link in this pastebin post is dead..... go fuck a goat anon

>>19060207
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Oh yeah that's Barium's ancient ass pastebin.
I haven't heard that name in YEARS.
What grave did that link get dragged out of, OP?

>>19060210
Oh.... damn it! Wanted to read the

Elemental magic:
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?e5uw2618bw0wuaa

Become and become the Avatar... but shit.. simple human must be..

Thanks anon

>>19060215
Barium was an oldfag when I first started using a trip in 2012.

>>19060201
Sam Harris is interesting to me. I like his trains of thought and his podcasts, but it's so obvious to me that he's a preacher, just one for secularism. Perhaps his fans just don't listen to other proselytizing shows to see how similar Harris is.

>>19060237
I like when Sam verges on Korzybski and talks about the contemplative map/territory distinction.

But then he goes on to assert that only Buddhism has a valid outlet of these phenomenologies and benefits while utterly ignoring any work inside of his discipline except his own.

I think Fedorafame does something really malignant to these cats' personalities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_XIH2cE7kY

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>>19060210
Yeah OK, my (semi) bad. I checked that the link to the pastebin was good, but did not bother to check any links in that pastebin. (You really expect someone to verify each and every link contained in that kind of dump? I have leather to sew!)

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>>19060258

Yes. If you're going to do something, do it right instead of half-assing it.

Is there anything on plague/disease/sickness worship? Something akin to death reverence?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_death_deities

I know that GOOD health and healing are sought after
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_health_deities

But I can't seem to find much on the matter - other than biblical or medieval references. Surely there's curses - to get others sick or make them feel ill. But I'm not looking for these, I'm looking for something a little more grand and deep.

>>19060258
Not even 1 link works.... as some1 said..
". If you're going to do something, do it right instead of half-assing it."

Thanks tho... nice try making something good

>>19060293
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gu_(poison)

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>>19060312
>Not even 1 link works
Random sample:
http://www.pibburns.com/cryptozo.htm
http://www.newanimal.org/
http://www.indobase.com/reiki/info-for-practioners/grounding-in-reiki.html
http://www.hermetics.org/ebooks.htm
https://darkbooks.org/collection/
http://spoogle.us/~tsuzuki/occult/

>>19060201
>http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15298868.2016.1269667
seems it fosters empathy in non-narcissists, which i wouldn't have expected. I'm a fan of theravada revival vipassana, but it's hilarious how people congratulate themselves for being righteous because they practice literal self-absorption

>>19060375
If i remember right Harris thinks essence mahamudra is more effective than vip, and has also practiced shit like yidam yoga and has at least a basic knowledge of the abidhamma
>>19060244
>work inside of his discipline
your being generous when you call philosophy his discipline, he's a dilletante

>>19060400
I was referring to the massive pile of materials in neuroscience which substantiate that the praxes of serious contemplative mystics, no matter the religion, Christian, Western Esoteric, Kabbalistic, Muslim, or Buddhist, induces the same basic sorts of phenomena which result in the same sorts of Attainments (through the equivalent of Adepthood, after that things diverge more and ore), but Sammy here discounts four out of mystical forms as charlatanry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WegCne7syEk

>>19060420
>Sammy here discounts four out of mystical forms as charlatanry
That's pretty stupid, where does he say that? He's even less of a neuroscientist than he is a philosopher afaik, i think he did collaborate on one pretty eh paper on epistemic closure and political affiliation tho

>>19060201
I understand your point and I also find it quite sad that whole tradition that conveys Buddhism that encompasses traditions like the Vajrayana and Tantra are being advocated by some literal Neo-Atheists and practices that are more preliminary steps to actual meditation/samadhi, rather than the end-game.

That being said, there is nothing wrong with focusing on external objects, this is what I call "dry concentration", but I´ve practiced for long what is known as Trāṭaka https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tr%C4%81%E1%B9%ADaka

I personally would endorse Trāṭaka for anyone who spends lots of time with computer/electronical screens, for 15 minute gazing tends to produce tears, watering of the eyes and strengthen the muscles of eye. I have certainly experienced much clearer and sharper vision and cleansing of the eye.

I´ve practiced Trāṭaka on a extremely small dot draw on white paper situated few feet away from my gaze. 20-30minutes at time. When your mind starts to flicker, so does your gaze. For when the mind is calm, so is the gaze.

Too big objects are not good, for you could end up viewing the scenery and not the object. So I recommend something extremely small and that stands out from the background. Candle in a dark room would be ideal too.

I remember Crowley describing certain Raja-Yogic exercises taught by Oscar Eckenstein in the Confessions were Crowley was to concentrate on objects of the mind (Geometric figures, a cross) etc.

I´ve tried these exercises, but I find them extremely hard, internal Trāṭaka requires much more than external, physical Trāṭaka. The objects, like white cross, tend to change shape constantly, change size and even colour. It is very hard to keep steady gaze on something seen with mind´s eye more than 20-30 seconds, I salute those who can achieve such concentration.

>>19060440
I mean I don't think I need to pull up a specific citation for his constant discrediting of the Abrahamics but there's a podcast he was on where he implicates the entirety of the Western traditions from Grimoires through Crowley as irrelevant; I can't find it but someone tried posting it here as if his griping has any bearing on reality.

>>19060483
>Trāṭaka
Word, I'm not discounting it, I'm just asserting that it's not the end all-be all of the system(s) and probably won't even be that helpful without a Guru or some serious self-reflection.

I used a candle for Trakata when I was a wee lad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-MSfd2S7lo

>>19060484
>constant discrediting of the Abrahamics
I would've figured he'd at least recognize that, say, kabbalistic forms of meditation can result in dramatic phenomenological and psychological experiences even if he rejects the underlying mythos/metaphysics. Presumably he doesn't believe in reincarantion or 7 worlds or the independent (inasfar as anything is independent) existence of the yidam. Fool's gonna fool themselves tho. I remember him using crowley as an example of someone not worth reading in a debate with jordan peterson, but figured he probably hadn't read him. Equinox era crowley seems like he'd be Harris's bag, anticipated a lot of his shit.

>>19060330
There is a lots of stuff devoted to Gu or Ku in Kenneth Grant´s "Ninth Arch" iirc

a question to all, do you think it possible for another to tell you the name of your HGA/self/true name?

can another evoke it? what benefits would all of that entail?

>>19060728
Nope and don't let Bersson/Eales tell you otherwise. In fact, if you're involved with those fucks, run screaming.

>>19060728
Letting someone learn your True Name and then dicking you over is a mythological staple, so probably yes to the 2nd point.

>>19060734

what's the reason as to no? isn't the HGA just your own personal ishvara, your lens of the yechidah? why couldn't one use their own connection to this, apply the filter of the person they wish to evoke the self of (via invocation) then contact the HGA?

as far as i'm concerned all men share the same yechidah.

>>19060754
Traditionally speaking the HGA rests above things like planetary evokations.

Is the ONA still an actual legitimate thing?

>>19060099
did you even read what that post was about?

or did you just glaze the thread and went
>HURRR /pol/ SHIT

that post had nothing do with /pol/

doubt youre as well versed in the occult as you claim if you can't even fucking read

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>>19060858
i guess i can't read either cause that's all i see, but enlighten us maxine?
you're an embarrassment

>>19057336
Completely trivial and irrelevant. Speculation is for those who lack the diligent practice required for direct realization of that which lies beyond.

>>19060843
No and it never was

>>19060924
I know reading is hard anon. That's ok.

>>19060932
if you're talking about your shit-show, excuse for a webpage - no, it's not.

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>>19060858

While Ape *can* be a cancerposting,arrogant shithead, but he does know his stuff. Just because someone is telling you something you don't want to hear/don't like doesn't mean they're inferior to you or that they're ignorant, it means you're being a *slave* to your ego instead of being master of yourself as those who pursue The work should strive to be.

That being said, I do agree in this instance with his assertion that it's the kind of drug-inspired half-baked idea that someone with too little information, too much speculation, and a head firmly planted up their ass would come up with.

>>19060924
You surely fuckin cant read

there is nothing in that post that mentions nazism, natsoc, /pol/ or anything of the like

its about trying to find deeper meaning in the symbol of the black sun. Its the rest of the thread thats filled with /pol/ shit not THAT post

now I need to get some sanitizer for having to hold your fucking hand so hard.

>>19060940
but that person is asking for more information or input

if their head was up their own ass they wouldnt be asking for any body elses thoughts. Its an acknowledgment of having too little information and seeking more

>>19060941
>its about trying to find deeper meaning in the symbol of the black sun

Wtf deeper meaning is there?

Go read Evola or some shit goddamn

>>19060941
i like the aesthetic. i posted http://haroldarthurmcneill.weebly.com/gallery.html
still think it's a dead end. still think you're shilling for jos

>>19060970
That is some cool ass art.

>>19060954

I just know nazis had a tendencey to borrow symbols and shit from other cultures (like the swastika)

It makes me wonder if the black sun was also borrowed and appropriated. If it ever had any origin other than nazi mysticism. perhaps not, but I'd like to know.

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>>19060941
>>19060954

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylZupuykHTY

See the Black Sun rise
In the Solar Lodge
See the Black Sun rise
From the Solar Lodge
Stop
Like a clock
Like a hole in the ground
Like a lock
Like a knife in the sound
From the Solar Lodge
See the Black Sun rise
From the Solar Lodge

Is Evola's work good?
I don't want to sound harsh but shouldn't he have been able to heal himself?

>>19061063
>Is Evola's work good?
Informative, not practical.

>I don't want to sound harsh but shouldn't he have been able to heal himself?

Contrary to the beliefs of some people in these board, you cannot really heal yourself from paralyzation through occult means, only constructive neurosurgery is the option and Evola believed in fate (in good and bad circumstances).

>>19061074
I mean, maybe if you're shit, then yeah.

>>19061085
>I mean, maybe if you're shit, then yeah.

No I really mean that if a shrapnel from a allied bombing raid would paralyze you by cutting your spinal nerves it would be impossible for your brain to send signals to your legs even in a metaphysical sense.

Are you those people who think that psychic prowess allows you move ie. small pieces of paper with the power of your mind?

>>19061096
Ah, you're a fedora. Alright.

>>19061154
No I really do believe in Kundalini, but if you cut the circuit, there´s not much you can do.

>>19061163
Kundalini and the Meridians aren't physical though. It doesn't matter if the nerves are gone, hell it doesn't mater if limbs are gone.
And look up Morris Goodman on the topic of putting spines back together.

>>19060293
shiva's worshippers the aghori

How do I enchant my bong/weed to make me higher? Is it even possible?

>>19060759

sorry for the late reply.

not planetary invocation, i'm saying something along the lines of invoking the individual you wish to interact with, whilst also doing the normal thing of invoking/connecting to the yechidah. uniting the influences and forces effectively by their combination, basically revealing what as best as you can comprehend what that person would interact with if they themselves evoked yechidah/ishvara/HGA.

basically applying the lens of the person on to the blank state of the yechidah.

and to get technical, the holy guardian angel is one part the genius, and the genius IS planetary. (so you could also work through the demon+genius of a person, invoking them and these or the individual with their almuten than the yechidah.)

>>19061327
DMT

>>19061458
No

>>19061327
Purify ~yourself~, not the bong.

>>19060293
Hades/Pluto, Persephone, Mot, Tiamat, Black Rider, Pale Horse, Thanatos, Yamata no Orochi, Nergal, satan( through proxy of st. death), Beelzebub, the Gorgon sisters, Hecate, Abaddon, Orcus, Mictlantecuhtli, Kudlak, Chernobog, Baron Samedi, Kisin, Yum Kimil, Seth, Yaso Magatsuhi, Karasu Tengu, Samael, Nebiros, Mastema, Azrael,Ahriman, Yaksha, Rangda, Girimehkala, Erlkonig, Anubis, etc.

I can imagine what you want these for, careful you don't burn yourself

>>19060293
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tlazolteotl
Something like that, Anon?

>>19061464
Yes.

>>19060330
>>19061319
>>19061560
>>19061589
Thank you all for your kind suggestions.

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>>19056828

If the astral plane is a manifestation of mental activity (explaining the exponential growth rate of the universe following the appearance of conscious observers), can it be used to reach fictional locations? Is it worthwhile to visit those places?

Pic related.

>>19060728
Isn't it up to oneself to determine their True Name?

>>19061589
Yo Tlazolteotl is a disease eater. A purifier. A sexual deity.

She never presides over harm or death.

>>19062047
That anon was asking for:
> plague/disease/sickness worship? Something akin to death reverence?
And:
> Surely there's curses - to get others sick or make them feel ill. But I'm not looking for these

Only related deity I could think of.

I had a religious experience where I need to make a general oath of faith to God. Is this a bad idea?

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>>19062092
>Is this a bad idea?

Not at all.

But, if you where not prepared to make an oath during the experience, then perhaps the experience was meant to help you find your true purpose?

sorry for being an idiot, but I google image searched the opening post image and it said it's one of Zoroaster's 4 Oracles, linked to the book called Chaldean Oracles of Zoroaster. I don't see those images in the book itself tho, and at quick glance I didn't see instructions for them in the text. Can someone tell me what they are, how to use them, etc, just a link will be great too.

>>19062092

It depends. What god are you going to make an oath to? A god of war (Mars, YHVH, etc) will not make for a good choice. But if you dedicate yourself to the bornless god, eternal and almighty -- the god of Spinoza, the god of Plato, Brahman -- you will surely reap many rewards.

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>>19062349
I have always viewed "that" as an idealized amalgamation, rather than a communicable entity capable of accepting oath or duty from an individual.

So is there any magic that is safe for a good fearing christian that will not summon demons or anything? How bout an agnostic atheist? I don't really know if this shit is real or not, but I wanna try and I don't wanna fuck my life doing it.

>>19062444
Pazuzu is in Necronomicon. Remember to buy the bronze brazier though or otherwise you are a fag like everyone ITT.

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Meme magic is real:

https://vimeo.com/218908974

>>19062444
If you don't want to summon demons then don't try demon summoning. Don't start doing dangerous shit like curses or combat magic and stay away from love spells.
Start off each ritual with cleansing and purification rites if you're really worried (Which you should probably do either way), and get your feet wet with Luck / Road Opening spells.

>>19056828
DIVINATION

D I V I N A T I O N

I like to look at my own shit.

I can divinate yours too.

>>19062505
unless you're speaking Italian, the word is "divine" not "divinate"

where should I go after having a good practice with meditation?

>>19062481
What would be a road opening/luck spell, and can I get a walk through on an easy to cast one that has noticeable effects? I'm a skeptic but I really want this shit to be true, cause if so I feel I could give my life meaning again.

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Good book about chakras and stuff? I don't know where to look in the Mega's folders, not "Chakras" folder or anything.

>>19062628
I found Astral Dynamics helpful with that.

>>19062662
Astral Dynamics is written by a total hack though.

>>19062669
>Astral Dynamics is written by a total hack though.
Says the guy who isn't a famous author. Looks like Bael made you invisible to the world for good. :3

>>19062678
Nah man. It was that evil wizard that cursed me in a past life. I'm just like Robert Bruce, all my failures are from the wizard. My spirit guide told me.

>>19062698
how'd you meet your spirit guide

>>19062720
An obscene amount of cocaine, DMT, and Algerian prostitutes.

>>19062047
I'm that anon. She IS also a matron of filth and causes disease - even of the sexual nature.

>filth
Which moreso along the lines I'm looking for. I'm looking for disease/illness reverence.

>>19062760
Well then best of luck communing with Aztec Vulture Waifu.

>>19062669
m8 his techniques are far more useful for the development of the soul than anything I've seen discussed here

He's a shekel grabber now though

>>19062728
sweet

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(bump)

>>19062662
its a nice but very very basic introduction into energy work

Its really about astral projection more than anything

>>19062760
She removes them, all it requires is a once in a lifetime confession.
She presides over sexual deeds and immoral sex. It is common belief that filthy sexual deeds cause sexual diseases, moreso in modernity. She simply only helps those willing to change and purify themselves.
She suffers a lot and in one of her incarnations was flayed alive, then sacrificed before becoming a goddess, when she was destined to unite two tribes through marriage instead.
She is a good spirit. Trying to patch up the holes other gods left in human behavior.
After what she has been through I find that inspiring.

>>19062286

Sorry for late reply, I don't think I was asked to make an oath in the moment, it felt more like I had to prepare first and that it was a choice of much gravity?

>>19062349

The God was Dyḗus Ph2tḗr

So, something has been bugging me as of late. Well, not as of late, since it's been bugging me my whole life, but I'm just thinking about it more now.

When I was a kid, like 7 or so, I remember my parents had this box of books they got from somewhere. A lot of them looked like $5 romance novels, some cooking ones, etc. Naturally, I was rummaging through it one day, looking for something that would be of interest to my 7yo self, and I found one with some strange cover. My mother came by and snatched it away, and said I don't want you to touch this again or read it. She was very serious about it too so I knew it had to be something bad. I figured maybe it has boobs or something but the cover looked spooky (to me). I asked why and she fucking said it's about witchcraft and to just forget about it.

This was really odd because my parents were never religious. They also let me watch scary movies including ones with that kind of thing. So for her to not just say no to a book like that but act as if it was completely forbidden was out of the ordinary.

I tried to sneak in a few times after that but she ended up hiding the box of books up in a closet shelf where things would fall out even if I could reach it. Ever since it's bothered me that I never found out what it really was. I sorta just forgot about it after those years.

So, about 2 and a half years ago at a get together, I asked her what it was now that I was older, and she literally refused to tell me, still to this day. She asked why and if I was into witchcraft in an accusing way. I laughed and said no, I just want closure on it because it's still a mystery to me. She shook her head and murmured "I dunno" and changed the subject.

I don't know what in the flying fuck was in it but that book must have been something really fucking serious if she still denied telling me even as an adult. And the sad part is I'll probably never figure out what the fuck it really was.

>>19063421
Hey there! I missed ya!

>>19062628
I would assume in the Eastern folder? One of the Yoga books has to cover all that.

>>19062349
What do The Bornless One and Brahman have to do with one another?

>>19058875
Summoning Spirits makes the conflation of Dr. Rudd, that you need to use Watchtower as an opening/closing for Goetic evocation. In fact, he says to use it for all evocation. And, he claims his book is all you need to do evocation, but he doesn't teach the greater invoking or banishing rites. His exercises can be pretty useful, but they're just like diet libri exercises. He lists the construction of the elemental weapons in arbitrary order, as well as a bunch of other faults we could find. Also, if you're coming from an anthropological standpoint, there is essentially no historical accuracy in that book. Furthermore, he took a LOT of his ideas from Bardon (of all LARPers!). I would not waste my time on that if I were you.

>>19059249
Wikipedia "The Art of Memory." Also, the exercises in many of the libri (Class B I believe?) can be useful in getting your mind and body in the right state in order TO be able to get better.

>>19061027
Is this about *THE* Solar Lodge?

>>19061837
True Name? yeah probably. I think the anon is conflating, or making the presumption, that HGA is not a separate entity, but rather a "higher self" if one can be said to exist. The name of the HGA should be given to the operator, I believe, during the K&C

>>19062792
Obviously you haven't read much in the library, then.

Does anyone here mix/combine folk magick and ceremonial? It's something I have been experimenting with since getting some dope advice from sevis and Palo, and it seems to blend quite nicely.

>>19064404
I think that must be pretty popular.

>>19064470
Very likely. I've been utilizing sigils, ceremonial invocation, evocation, and the like, alongside witchbottles, powder magick, etc. Even did an invocation from Liber L before casting some hot foot powder.

Does anyone here evoke elementals on a regular basis? Anyone ever work with the Elemental Kings or Supreme Elemental Kings? I would love to here suggestions, experiences, etc. I evoked Djin last night, which is why I ask.

I took a break from occult stuff for almost two years because I felt like it wasn't working. A few days ago I felt pulled towards it again. It feels good to be back, I'm excited for the future.

>>19064714
Cool. It generally takes daily work for extended periods to see results. Also, going from learning the LBRP to attempting Goetic evocation a month later is setting one self up for failure, generally. What were you doing that didn't seem to work, anon?

>>19064697
Yes.

>>19064733
Whats the purpose of evoking them? What can they do for you or others?

>>19063822
Well, I'm not even looking for a deity or personification of disease/filth. I'm looking for sickness/plague worship, a system of magic built upon illness. Like I stated earlier, similarly to death reverence - where one does not fear death, longs for death, and revels in the ideas of decay and destruction, so too am I looking for such practices within sickness; but to no avail.

I also stated earlier that there are practices centered around healing, health, and good health-oriented deities. I know there are deities associated with illness; but other than curses - there doesn't seem to be much praxes in this regard.

>>19064733
Whic have you evoked? Or if too many to say, which kings have you evoked? Do you use a circle/triangle or no? I have worked with gnomes without them before but I did use them to work with Djin. IDK what the protocol is for elementals.

>>19064793
Sounds like some variation of Christism. That's like putting a leech on yourself because you're low on blood.

>>19064793

You may have success with psychic vampirism. Despite its cringe-y name, it's a working system of energy manipulation which can be used to bring about weakness and sickness in others while at the same time strengthening yourself.

>>19064793

Make up your own then. *All* practices started with one dude if you go back far enough, anything after that is just bitches hopping on the bandwagon so they can be lazy piggybacking fucks. Fictional status aside, there *is* a godform of Nurgle from the Warhammer universe that fits your needs. Make shit up, refine it, formalize it, and start your own religion/cult/whatever dedicated to him. Though I will say that a well-rounded knowledge of magical theory and practice will make your efforts significantly easier.

>>19064835
I think you would be surprised how difficult it is to truly be original. Besides, I would hardly call reconstructing historical rites, or bastardizing/adapting them to one's purpose, "lazy."

>>19064804
What can be more sublime than allowing the spirits to infect you? Your immune system fights off forgein contagions - what's wrong with communing things other than yourself? Subverting them only makes you stronger.

>>19064817
>psychic vampirism
Nein danke

>>19064835
Thanks, despite the fictional talk, your advice is solid. I actually thought of this from the beginning.

>>19064871
Ok I know you're trying to be an edgelord but there's nothing sublime about getting infected with a contagion that has a spirit in it (which, by the way, is potentially every contagion) and "using" it to do magick. It's retarded AF.

>>19064871
>psychich vampirism
>"no Thanks"
>"I want to be the victim, not the vampire"

>>19064877
How is sickness worship any edgier than death, Satan, or practicing sexual magic that other cultures would deem taboo?

>>19064883
Didn't say it was. Nothing edgy about sex magick. Definitely edgy to literally worship death or Christian Satan, though

Hey can anyone tell me what is going on in this thread, please: >>19064231
I tried asking but their answers don't make sense. I don't know if it's some kind of twisted Discordianism, or autism. please send help.

>>19064896
>meme magickkkal tournament
>twisted Discordianism, or autism
Ding ding ding!

>>19064911
But wtf is a magic "tournament?" I thought RP at first but they act like it's not...are you ab;e to make heads or tails of *anything* they are talking about?

>>19064915
It's RP - why do think the mods are deleting their threads?

>>19064915

Delusions and roleplay. Basically, it's people with undiagnosed and/or un(der)treated mental disorders that have a pseudo knowledge of magical practices trying to live out maladjusted fantasies as entertainment. In short, it's ego masturbation for the mentally ill.

>>19064934
Oh? I didn't know they were! That's literally the first I ever recall seeing.

Where da white women at?
Bump

>2017
>not realizing that you are the space within which everything that ever has been, is or will be is happening

pro tip the universe is a human body

>>19056828
You should bring some of these threads over to /occult/ to help it wake up more. There are a couple of knowledgeable anons that still post there after the shitposters settled in over on /fringe/.

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>>19066083
>/occult/

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHvfsO1U7sA

what would I have to do to get something from a spirit \ demon? like something superficial? I have tried contacting prince stolas and leaving gems out for him. should I keep trying with him or is their something else I could try?

any help is greatly appreciated.

>>19066463
What do you mean by "tried contacting prince Stolas"? Did you contact him or not?

>>19065638
>pro tip the universe is a human body

Protip:
That is a VERY large assumption you have there!

>>19066544

no I did not. an attempt was made but no response.

>>19066558
Did you use Solomon's method? I seriously hope you didn't JoS it and just call out to him during meditation.

>>19066565

>I seriously hope you didn't JoS it and just call out to him during meditation.

I did exactly this. im a little new to this stuff. i'll give solomons method a go.

>>19066582
Nigga you wot. You just ignored the hazmat suits and containment and all that and just straight up picked up the uranium fuel rod.

>>19066593

im sorry. I'll try to do better.

>>19066601
It's not a doing better thing, it's a Goetic entities can be hostile and dangerous when not properly summoned and contained thing.

>>19066611

im a little slow and couldnt really unerstand the text so I winged it. ill be more careful.

>>19064344
Yes, the song is actually about the American secret society called Solar Lodge considering Frater Shiva iirc has also done work with the band Coil and they certainly knew each other through some medium.

This is a good article on the subject.
http://www.parareligion.ch/sunrise/manson.htm
>History of the Solar Lodge of the O.T.O.
Charles Manson and the Occult

>>19064034
This is why I hate /x/

>so spoopy my mother hid the Skeleton face Goblin book from me as a child
>could be secet manuscript of some sort

Fuck off retard

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looking forward to fuck a guy up, any1 up to it?

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>>19066621

Naberius is the equivalent of the dude in prison who gives your ass the lowdown so you don't get shankrapulated. Hit him up for schoolin before dealing with anybody else. Focalor is a good emergency option. If shit gets real, he'll fuck some shit up for you. Just keep the seal on hand 'n, y'know, call him and bribe his happy ass beforehand.

Aside from that, ideally, as a standard practice, you should be performing the greater banishing pentagram, followed by the greater banishing hexagram keyed to the entities ruling planet, followed by the middle pillar, followed by the bornless as preparation prior to the actual summoning. Just trust me, and do it. Then there's the properly outlined ritual spaces themselves. Handwriting/drawing and details matter around the circle etc. That's how you keep your squirrelly ass safe. Get like a section of cloth/canvas/paper of some sort etc and either paint or stitch in the circle etc if you can't use chalk in your workspace.

As a panic option in case you ever feel uneasy in any space, keep extra salt, sage (and lighter/matches naturally), rose petals, florida water/holy water, and lavender on hand. Shit's how you throw up a quick lockdown anywhere if an entity wants to fuck around. Water + sage smoke penta/hexes in each area/space/room (floor/ceiling respectively), a line of salt at the windows/doors in *every* room/hall/etc with doors (including closets/cabinets/showers). Sprinkle the flowers at the corners and center of each room/area/etc. The point here, is for pre-established representation of elements to throw up a fumigation tent and get rid of pests when combined with the rituals. Flowers for earth, salt for spirit passive, waters for water, burning sage for air, fire, and spirit active.

Now, as an absolute last resort. There's Pazuzu. The cost might be high, but desperate times and all.

>>19066593
>>19066601
>>19066611

I doubt he made contact if he can only read JoS, wouldn't worry.

>>19066815
Still though, it's doing a chemistry experiment without gloves or goggles. It might not backfire the first few times but eventually something he doesn't want to happen is gonna happen.

Which Liber by Crowley is the one that talks about soul generations?

Was it 777?

>>19064801
How does one summon a gnome? What can a gnome do for you?

So, I've been on a break for couple of months and I would like to go back. I realized I was reading two books. One of them is "High Magick" by Frater U.D.; and visual magick by Jan Fries. Before continuing i would like to hear your opinion.

Thoughts on both books?

>>19066807

>florida water/holy water

alright im from florida and whatever the fuck is in our water is anything but holy

>>19067796
Also, I forgot to ask: Does anyone know a good book on sigil magick? I already read some basics (from the beginers section) and I would like to go on.

Fuck magic, I kill people with a gun

Is it worth it to join the OTO?

>>19067804
Its not water from florida.
It's Agua de Florida or "Florida Water" and its a corruption of "flower water" its a specific brand of scented floral cologne or perfume.

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>>19056828
why so few books on yoga? any recommendations?

>>19067896
what sort of yoga are you unterested in? the stretching? philosphy? devotion?

>>19067828
>Is it worth it to join the OTO?

I presume you are talking about the (Californian) OTO?

Apart from having few copyrightial and legal claims to some Crowleyana and other material, they have no other legitimacy as order or successor to the original Ordo Templi Orientis that practically died with Karl Germer.

>>19067915
>>19067828
>The Year is 1969

>McMurtry finally finds out about Germer’s death, nearly seven years after the event. Realising that O.T.O. now has no O.H.O. (as Crowley had foreseen might happen), he activates his letters of authorisation from Crowley and invites all surviving members of O.T.O. to work with him to rebuild the Order.

To make the things a bit comical, McMurty using "emergency initiations", would initiate people into the order literally with a towel wrapped around his head (As to portray his role as Caliph)

I wouldn´t take Californian OTO as very legitimate successor to the original spirit of Ordo Templi Orientis.


After Germer´s death in the 1962, the only Thelemic order with actual structure and somewhat initiatory chain that can be at least traced to Jane Wolfe and the Cefalu Abbey of Crowley and later Agape Lodge in America was Solar Lodge.

McMurty´s "Caliphate" established in 1969 was McMurty trying to "Restore" the OTO practically alone. Crowley probably is rolling in his grave.

>>19067947
>>19067915

No, I'm talking UK lodge.

>>19067975
>No, I'm talking UK lodge.

OTO in the UK is still subject to the Californian Ordo Templi Orientis whose current leader is William Breeze.

Are you perhaps talking about the TOTO (Typhonian Ordo Templi Orientis) that was established by Kenneth Grant? I do not know does it even operate or have presence in the UK anymore.

https://www.oto-uk.org/
>https://www.oto-uk.org/history.html#mcmurtry

This UK order is directly associated to the Californian Ordo Templi Orientis that claims succession from Grady McMurty.

>>19067551
Look for books on Fairies.

See:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fairy/comments/4g0c9l/what_are_some_good_books_about_fairiesfolklore/

And also get this book:
The Tree of Enchantment: Ancient Wisdom and Magic Practices of the Faery Tradition
by Orion Foxwood
https://a.pomf.cat/huvigf.pdf

>>19067904
mainly breath and chakra stuff

>>19060099
Ape, about one month ago you got a book I'd like to get a scan, "Final report of the SUNDS planning project" through an ILL. [ See >>18936097 ] How's the status on it?

>>19067904
I want to do wim hof shit and learn about astral planes

Want to attempt first goetic summoning today.
How much should be memorised beforehand? Will practice the LBRP a couple of times but would rather just read the long calls from paper instead of memorising.

Also, are there any difference between Ronove and Forneus for learning languages? Are they good first summons in general?

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>>19068146
Just finished reading this booklet https://www.amazon.com/dp/B072LYS5RS and it greatly helped me understand Goetia. Sadly though I hoped it to have personal experiences because I like reading evocation stories which it didn't have. But there was some good shit in it though. Just no filler I guess. Whether you read it or not I hope your first evocation goes well.

>>19067835
bwahahahahha.

Damn water from Florida.
Okay, Ponce de Lyon.

>>19068019
Sitting on my shelf until I get motivated to scan again/my scanner decides to unfuck itself; it's only about a hundred pages, scanned a few then the machine started giving me issues so I stopped screwing with it.

>>19067896
>why so few books on yoga?

>Eastern:
5.39 GB
24 folders
404 files

I dunno why you're having a hard time.

>>19066959
pls respond

>>19068759
You'll need to be more specific than that.

is this the LARPing general?

give me ONE thing you got out of this

>>19067947
>Crowley probably is rolling in his grave.
Crowley probably WANTED a succession crisis.
Let the Children fend for themselves in the wilderness for a fortnight sorta thing.

He gave succession to both orders to Germer.

We have the letters, Crowley told Germer the OTO was probably an unfit vehicle for the mysteries, and told him that as successor he can either reform the Order (he didn't), reactivate the Order (never got past tea with WT Smith), or let it wither. Guess what he did?

Germer's wishes at the time of death were vague as fuck. He either wanted it to go to Paragranus (the non-Thelemic Swiss OTO), or to Motta.

I've come to the unpopular conclusion that without a mechanism of succession in the A.'.A.'., we can't hold Wolfe's claim to rank as absolute. Spare, Russel, Cameron, all appeared ahead of her, and George Cecil Jones, the man who founded with and initiated Crowley to the A.'.A.'. was still alive but nobody bothered to send the old man a letter. He'd become a chemist. Held some obscure but lucrative patents.

>>19068806
Encyclopedic knowledge of (in rough order of usefullness):
>Anthropology
>Archaeology
>Comparative religion
>Neuropsych
>Linguistics
>Text criticism
>Phenomenological philosophy
>Theology
>Transgressive philosophy

>>19066807
>Naberius is the equivalent of the dude in prison who gives your ass the lowdown so you don't get shankrapulated. Hit him up for schoolin before dealing with anybody else.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRyQi8qWfxI

>>19068847
I fucking love this movie, that dude is a fucking, untouchable, psycho.

Is following the pastebin safe for someone with no magical experience?

Will drawing the circle and doing the banishing ritual just work or do you need practice?

If you mess one of the steps up what's the worst case? Death?

>>19066807
Interesting. The only spirits the goetia says are good natured are Seer and Orobas. Are there any resources with information like this on the spirits? Would be cool to not have to summon blind.

>>19068789
I think it was about soul inheritance and family relations maybe?

Maybe I'll just dig through some of the major Libers

>>19068847
Do you consider archons to be a purely negative force?

>>19068732
i guess i was looking only in the yoga folder

what is the difference between yoga and tantra?

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Did anyone save Ape's Vocaroo vows? I didn't back them up and want to listen to them again.

>>19066807
GRP followed by GRH followed by bornless sounds excessive. I usually just do lbrp followed by lbrh followed by GRH followed by bornless.

>>19067551
GRP, &c. I usually find that using a portion of Bornless corresponding to the elemental you want to summon (after the appropriate opening(s)) does the trick. Knowing the kings, Supreme Kings, and such, helps for the conjugation. See 777 for that info.

>>19068945
You should have probably a year or more with the Lesser rites before attempting... this varies from person to person, sometimes more or less.

>>19069104
Yes.

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What are some good books on Alchemy for an Novitiate? Mind that I don't read modern works if possible. They seldom contain inner light.

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>>19069948
Post them pls

did anyone ever succeded on something? if yes please tell what it is,

anything i can practice for money ?

>>19070035
Thank you much.

>>19070338
Did they delete my comment pointing you toward a book? Certainly 'twasn't me!

>>19070455
Yeah what the hell? I thought it was you

Weird, I got it anyway.

>>19070682
>we need a list of things we are allowed to do nein fuhrer.
Post flat earth memes

>>19056828
I will tell you what. I have seen and experienced things that worked. But not enough. Not to the point of no return and beyond. Magick is an art, like drawing, or singing,ect. You have to find people willing to help, and if they are, make sure they aren't taking advantage of you.

Also make sure that you have backup plans encase those who are working with aren't getting the results you have asked for in a decent amount of time.

I am looking from the classic magick into something more like voodoo to get the results I've been asking for years.

>>19056828
I'm looking into brake up spells. (hears a bunch of people roll their eyes) I know that it's dangerous to mess with someones free will and all of that, but I am committed to doing it. I also believe there's no such thing as free will. As others around you can influence and change you without you knowing. That is why I've started practicing myself.

If I don't feel comfortable I will go seeking out others that might know more then what I am doing, and will happily pay for the service rendered. I also think these work if you just do your best to believe in them.

It's why a someone who doesn't believe in a certain way or praying won't get results. No matter what faith you are in. It's because you need to believe in it.

Are their brake up spells that work rather fast? I have a 9 month time limit on this, and there are only so many on the internet that seem really genuine among the scammers.

Where do I start learning magick? I have started reading books but dont seem to know what type/kind of branch I will begin. I am considering chaos magick but it really doesn't have a system. Does chaos magick and sigils work?

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>>19071105

Nobody but you can answer your question of whether something works or not, if you're serious, here's your homework.

Read all of the following in order:

Tao Te Ching
Psychic Self Defense
Practical Taoism
Falun Gong
Secret Teachings of All Ages
A New Model of the Universe
Prometheus Rising
Low Magick
Corpus Hermeticum
The Fourth Way
Nag Hammadi
The Doctrine of Awakening
Astral Dynamics
Revolt Against the Modern World
Ride the Tiger
Kali Kaula
Visual Magick
Burst of Breath
Chicken Qabalah
Awakening Ground
Sefer Yetzirah
Book 4 Part 1 - Mysticism
Book 4 Part 2 - Magick
Book 4 Part 3 - Magick in Theory and Practice
Book 4 Part 4 - The Law
Liber 6
Liber 777
Liber 111
The Complete Golden Dawn System of Magic
Three Books of Occult Philosophy
The Book of Ceremonial Magick
The Psychick Bible
Liber Null
Condensed Chaos
Book of Lies
Book of Thoth
78 Degrees of Wisdom
The Tarot of Awakening
The Way of the Crucible
Real Alchemy
Prime Chaos
Liber Kaos
Liber 800

>>19071105
Don't go chaos for a start. Despite its adherents, it requires that you know a lot about a great many of systems. It's simple due to the "lack of rules"; but that's what what also makes it difficult.

>Where do I start learning magick?
There is a beginners folder in the mega - it has some fundamentals and various paths to consider.

Go to Hermeticism, ceremonial magic, or something eastern - these are what I'd suggest.

>>19071053
Are you from US or Europe?

>>19071204
>Tao Te Ching

Looking at this there are many different translations, and they are all wildly different.
Any you can recommend?

>>19071251
US

>>19071251
there were two new posts but I didn't get anything. Was wondering if one of them were from you. Still awaiting your reply.

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While I was at work on Friday, my sister came into my room and prowled in my stuff.
She touched and moved Coyotl.
She went through my macaw feathers, and asked me to make her a headband out of them.
Then, went on a freaking tirade about how there is only one god.
Knowing my sister, I'm shocked as hell she didn't steal the feathers and throw away Coyotl.

>>19071710
Please tell me you atleast branded a T into her palm for this.

>>19071710
Maybe it's time to grow out of sticks and bones, cavewoman-san.

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>>19071746
I wish.
Unfortunately, not the house that I own.
So, I have to attempt to play by certain rules.
I really really wish the insurance money would come in so I can finish fixing the issues at my house and go home.

>>19072275
Nevah!!!
It makes me happy, like a smiling dog in the summer time.

>>19071282
Stephen Mitchell seems pretty standard, but IMO you should read several anyway to get the full meaning.

It's a good read though, and can be read in easy chunks, so it's not so troublesome as you might think.

So whenever I have a look at demonolatry, I see that Satan is named Samael and that Lilith is there.

Say, isn't this demiurgical instead of demonic?

Since Lilith and Samael are there, I mean.

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I do camshows on occasion to make extra $£¥€. I don't make much, usually I'll end up with a hundred or more people just sitting there jerking it to me in lingerie without paying me

Any way I to absorb their sexual energy and use it to benefit me?

>>19060483
lol I must be naturally gift because visualizing things with my mind's eye is cake. I enjoy visualizing books and trying to read the shifting words that appear along the pages.

I'd recommend whenever you're in the mood for a nap to just relax, close your eyes, and try to see through your eye lids.

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>>19072653

Fuck it, I'm bored so why not. Here's how you do it, stripped of all the mumbo jumbo and bullshit.

Paradoxical gnosis (simultaneously maintaining your normal state while maintaining a state of absolute focus) and plain old energy manipulation. Assuming of course you're wanting to do it while on cam, as they're masturbating to you. All interactions and observances create pathways between the parties involved, use that to your advantage. Backtace those pathways, and redirect the sexual energy they're generating to whatever. Consider it like creating a junction linking two locations for Windows, except you're doing it with energy and will instead of on a computer. All you need is the know-how and their "location" (following those pathways back to their sources). Thereafter, when they start throwing off fuck-energy, it goes where you want it to go (unless they or you remove your changes)

If that doesn't make sense to you, then you're out of your depth and should wizard mohr.

>>19071053
>doesn't believe in free will
Teehee. Make a vinegar jar anon.

>>19072730
le psionics faec

>>19071710
How's the blue book PaloChan?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtYKcP-73JA

>>19056891
Lots of ways traditionally you could try goggling the question and go from there.

>>19060099
>pol
Triggered?
Or is the question not worth answering?

>>19060941
Don't worry, stuff eoplke don't want to talk about, they just saypol and then the discussions stop, doesn't mean what you wanted to discuss is wrong or invalid, just that some others don't want it taked about, similar to SJW talking about being triggered in a way... Pol talk basically

>>19061560
>dont burn yourself
Bit rich coming from you, isn't it?
>people in glass houses....

>>19062591
Someplace quiet or secluded would be preferable but if you live in a busy/noisy area then you might have to travel a while.

>>19064034
This resembles a post I saw before, copy\paste?

>>19064741
Theyre Elemental forces so they can probably do lots of stuff for you, just a few days ago I invoked for protection/a task to do, thy can be incredibly helpful.

>>19064883
It isn't but some people make the distinction for a arbitrary reason, just do what make s u happy

>>19071710
>>19072481
How old is this sister? She sounds like she's about seven.

>>19066815
>he will fail under one method
>my method is better
Magickl dick waving contests, don't you just love em

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>>19070044
No response, eh?

>>19073389
>being this unaware of the dumpster fire known as Joy of Satan

>>19068806
Honing RPG skills

>>19069009
Orderly being but an excess of anything is bad news and they want absolute control, no free will or individuality, a grey, blek, banal world.

>>19071053
Try binding them.

>>19073406
Being this judgmental on four chan
Whatever makes them happy anon

>>19073282
Try reading werewolves the occult truth, I recall it had the spells/methods in there if you reply ave to know

>>19072653
Sigil work, chaos magic might be up your alleyway.

>>19068831
>nothing useful for day to day life
Never change 4chan, never change.

>>19068825
I think if jack parson hadn't blon himself up after being robbed by his mistress and the scientologists arch founder, then he would have been an affective leader, well maybe not fantastic if he could be tricked by a con man but he seemed serious bout his babalon workings, maybe he could have applied himself to the tak of leafing OTO

>>19056891
I don't know a lot about this particular kind of magick but I'm a historian interested in folk magic(k). There were several cases of people being prosecuted as werewolves during the German witch hunts and if you're interested, I can go through some sources and literature on those cases and see what kind of rituals or other ways these people turned into werewolves are mentioned. It'd just take a couple of hours of research so I don't want to do it unless you'd actually be interested in the results.
The only English source I could find during my initial google search is this one from the 16th century about one Peter Stubb, who turned into a wolf by wearing a girdle (given to him by the Devil in this, but not all, variation):
http://www.elmar-lorey.de/werwolf/Stump.htm
>The Devil, who saw him a fit instrument to perform mischief as a wicked fiend pleased with the desire of wrong and destruction, gave unto him a girdle which, being put around him, he was straight transformed into the likeness of a greedy, devouring wolf, strong and mighty, with eyes great and large, which in the night sparkled like unto brands of fire, a mouth great and wide, with most sharp and cruel teeth, a huge body and mighty paws. And no sooner should he put off the same girdle, but presently he should appear in his former shape, according to the proportion of a man, as if he had never been changed.

>>19073518
Blown
About
Task
Leading
Sorry about my spell checker going nuts

>>19073520
There is one spell involving a copper or bronze dagger, another involving a cauldron of plants and a wolfs skin, there are others involving sting/drinking what a wolf has eaten, being born at certain times or with a certain number of siblings, etc, etc.

The guy originally asking has lots of stuff he could check, google, wikipedia, etc if he is serious.

>>19073518
Jack Parsons ended up with a better woman out of the deal, anyway.

>>19061154
Magic can't heal spine, this isn't doctor strange anon

>>19062092
Doesn't the bible forbid making oaths to god? I know some religious sects don't for that reason.

>>19062444
A god fearing christian would remember the whole burn witch thing, though

>>19067827
Your braver than a lot of people on here then internet tough guy

>>19068936
Vigilantes movie is your fav

Makes sense

>>19068953
Key of Solomon, legemton, principila diablo, etc

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>>19073378
42.
Not even kidding.
During her tirade about the one true god I made sure I pointed out that while no, there is no scientific evidence that Pachamama exists, there is no evidence that Yahweh exists either.
She didn't like that whole "So, we're even." thing being pointed out.

>>19074687
You could always point out to her the fact that one is a batshit senile covetous man-baby, and one is not?

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>>19073074
I'm getting ready to work on it this evening, actually.
I've taken too long off.
Too much IRL going on.
By the time I got home in the evenings I just wanted to eat dinner and go to bed.
I didn't even read any on Dark Shamans this past week.
I guess that's okay...yesterday I got to page 140 and it started dragging again.
I don't know if I can suffer through 170 more pages of academic filler copy.

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>>19074711
>batshit
>senile
>covetous
That'd be a little bit hypocritical of me.

>>19074773
We'll, in a different manner then, anyway?

>>19074711

Oftentimes, all one can do is speak their piece, and hope the audience eventually pulls their head out of their ass. Trying to headbutt a brick wall in to submission rarely leads to anything but a headache and a still-standing wall.

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What is the best source for traditional knowledge about the Sefirot? Kaplan's commentary on the Sefer Yetzirah gives little clarification on Netzach, Hod, and Yesod; the Bahir's commentary is very much a prototype of the Kabbalah's system, and the Zohar it titanic and very oblique on the matter from the little I've been able to sift through.

Anyone have a reliable sigil spreadsheet?

>>19074687
>42
Forgot ontological or theological discussions, she needs a kindergarten lesson in why not to touch other peoples shit.

>>19068831
This is certainly why I do it.
>>19073500
What the fuck do you think this is, an Outdoor Survival board?

>>19072481
Why don't you just use magic to fix your house?

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What can you tell me about occultism/magick in Islam?

I know Islam forbids idolatry, but I think classical Muslim occultists rationalized it by saying that pagan godforms are just metaphors for different kinds of energy?

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>>19074831
>>19074831
>What is the best source for traditional knowledge about the Sefirot?
The spoken word of a teacher who knows QBL and has a relationship with you.

>>19076597
Muslims worked with the djinn often and justified it all kinds of ways depending on the politics of the time. Islamic heriesiology is a golden rabbit hole of wisdom for the mystically inclined

>>19061560
no glasya?

>>19076974
He incites murder and violence,
but these dudes preside over it.
feel free to use him tho, this could not be a compilation if I tried.
Too many out there.

>>19064034
>This was really odd because my parents were never religious.
They didn't want you to grow up with silly beliefs, obviously.

I know the first time my dad caught me doing a tarot reading, I got a seriously tense lecture (he's one of those Dawkins-reading science-y atheist types).

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How do I work this bad boy?

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>>19077034

>>19073423
do you recommend a binding spell or any binding spell?

Will I get better results following the original goetia or using the /sum/ pastebin?

The planetary hours thing seems alot more restrictive than going by age of the moon. But if it gives better results I'm down.

>>19077201
But anons, I thought Christians imply that Egyptian magic was phony and useless

Did the word of God contain lie??? So so shocked /sarcasm

Well I followed the /sum/ guide and nothing happened.

Was trying to summon Forneus and at no point did I feel a presence. Read the first call several times, then the second, then invocation of the king and the first and second call a few more times. Only thing I felt was awkward speaking archaic english, and confused over the pronunciation of names.

>>19078081
Afterwards I did realize I got the planetary hour messed up and also I skipped the "asperge" step.

Still though, feel pretty disappointed.
Worth trying again? Any advice?

>>19078105
>Any advice?
I imagine thoth or whoever else will need way more details about what you did

>>19077687
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxyOTFQFWQ0

>>19078105
>advice?
Yeah, next time don't fuck up and/or omit steps, maybe.

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Are there any novel uses for a crooked wand? I don't know what kind of wood it is, but I think it's maybe eucalyptus.

>>19070044
>I don't read modern works if possible. They seldom contain inner light.
what do you mean? examples?

>>19080083
At a guess, could go with some kind of lightning symbolism.

>>19080083
Sure, I think Cultus Sabbati initiations require one. It looks pretty rough though. Is it a found item, or did you cut it?

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>>19073817
i like how you think, anon

>>19077687
Considering the worship of Egyptian gods is all gone or so low as to be nonexistent, I'd imagine that yes christian theology/magic was better than egotian magic/theology....

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>>19080583
Not entirely gone.

>>19080532
I found it, and unfortunately there are some cracks in the wood :(

>>19080597
A few thousand pollsters who are only half serious? Yeah the Egyptian gods are really on a roll anon!!

>>19080597
You might say that they're more powerful than ever before, well one particular amphibian anyway

>>19075936
Doesn't change the fact it is all scholarly academic stuff with limited real life application, also I like how he admitted its practically larping

>>19080675
Prove one desmistratable thing that krek has done and voting in a orange guy with a wig doesn't count

>>19078105
If you first don't succeed ... Don't try again, or do try, its up to you.

>>19080635
>eye of Horus on every dollar bill
>E-Egyptian worship is dead you guys!! We are a Christian nation!

>>19080690
>Limited application
Lol

>>19076597
Other than what's it "Mystical Islam>"?

Nineveh Shadrach if you're interested in the Jinn.

Do you speak Arabic?
I'd beg, borrow or steal to get a translation of this.
The Book of the Sun of Gnosis and the Subtleties of Elevated Things
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shams_al-Ma%27arif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdUdZH8ad0k&t=1s

So, I'm trying to discover the proper way to perform Liber Israfel... I found the text on thelemapedia, but presumably one is supposed to assume god form as well? Anyone have suggestions? Thanks.

Can someone tell me how to become a vampire