Hare Krsna General

Chapter 11, Verse 5

The Blessed Lord said: My dear Arjuna, O son of Prtha, behold now My opulences, hundreds of thousands of varied divine forms, multicolored like the sea.

Chapter 11, Verse 6

O best of the Bharatas, see here the different manifestations of Adityas, Rudras, and all the demigods. Behold the many things which no one has ever seen or heard before.

Chapter 11, Verse 7

Whatever you wish to see can be seen all at once in this body. This universal form can show you all that you now desire, as well as whatever you may desire in the future. Everything is here completely.

Chapter 11, Verse 8

But you cannot see Me with your present eyes. Therefore I give to you divine eyes by which you can behold My mystic opulence.

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Chapter 11, Verse 9

Sanjaya said: O King, speaking thus, the Supreme, the Lord of all mystic power, the Personality of Godhead, displayed His universal form to Arjuna.

Chapter 11, Verse 10-11

Arjuna saw in that universal form unlimited mouths and unlimited eyes. It was all wondrous. The form was decorated with divine, dazzling ornaments and arrayed in many garbs. He was garlanded gloriously, and there were many scents smeared over His body. All was magnificent, all-expanding, unlimited. This was seen by Arjuna.

Chapter 11, Verse 12

If hundreds of thousands of suns rose up at once into the sky, they might resemble the effulgence of the Supreme Person in that universal form.

Chapter 11, Verse 13

At that time Arjuna could see in the universal form of the Lord the unlimited expansions of the universe situated in one place although divided into many, many thousands.

Chapter 11, Verse 14

Then, bewildered and astonished, his hair standing on end, Arjuna began to pray with folded hands, offering obeisances to the Supreme Lord.

Chapter 11, Verse 15

Arjuna said: My dear Lord Krsna, I see assembled together in Your body all the demigods and various other living entities. I see Brahma sitting on the lotus flower as well as Lord Siva and many sages and divine serpents.

>>19022608
Reject the fruit of action!

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Do not look back to Krishna, but forward to KALKI! He shall purge the world of degeneracy! We prepare the way for you!

>>19022740
Krsna's appearance as chaitanya maparabhu was only 500 years ago.

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Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu was living in Puri during His later days and every year there would be a big gathering in Puri with a large group of devotees from Bengal traveling there to take darshan of the Lord. Sivananda Sena, an exalted devotee living in Bengal usually made the arrangements for the journey. He maintained everyone and provided residential quarters. While going to Jagannatha Puri, Sivananda Sena allowed a dog to go with him. He supplied it food to eat and maintained it.

One day, when they needed to cross a river, an Orissan boatman would not allow the dog to get in the boat. Sivananda Sena, unhappy that the dog had to stay behind, paid the boatman ten pana of conchshells to take the dog across the river. One day while Sivananda was detained by a tollman, his servant forgot to give the dog its food. At night, when Sivananda Sena returned and was taking his meal, he inquired from the servant whether the dog had gotten its meals. When he learned that the dog had not been supplied food in his absence, he was very unhappy. He then immediately sent ten men to find the dog.

When the men returned without success, Sivananda Sena became very unhappy and fasted for the night. In the morning they looked for the dog, but it could not be found anywhere. All the Vaishnavas were astonished. Thus in great anxiety they all walked to Jagannatha Puri, where Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu met them as usual. And the next morning all the devotees came to see the Lord. When all the devotees came to the place of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, they saw the same dog sitting a little apart from the Lord. Furthermore, Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu was throwing remnants of green coconut pulp to the dog.

>>19023038
Smiling in His own way, He was saying to the dog, “Chant the holy names ‘Rama,’ ‘Krsna’ and ‘Hari.'” Seeing the dog eating the green coconut pulp and chanting “Krsna, Krsna” again and again, all the devotees present were very surprised. When he saw the dog sitting in that way and chanting the name of Krsna, Sivananda, because of his natural humility, immediately offered his obeisances to the dog just to counteract his offenses to it.

>Prabhupada's purport
>“This is the result of sadhu-sanga consequent association with Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu and promotion back home, back to Godhead. This result is possible even for a dog, by the mercy of the Vaishnava. Therefore, everyone in the human form of life should be induced to associate with devotees. By rendering a little service, even by eating prasadam, what to speak of chanting and dancing, everyone can be promoted to Vaikunthaloka.
>It is therefore requested that all our devotees in the ISKCON community become pure Vaishnavas, so that by their mercy all the people of the world will be transferred to Vaikunthaloka, even without their knowledge. Everyone should be given a chance to take prasadam and thus be induced to chant the holy names Hare Krsna and also dance in ecstasy. By these three processes, although performed without knowledge or education, even an animal went back to Godhead.”

One of the important points to understand from this pastime is how we should treat the living entities. Many times we are neglectful and lack compassion or respect for the living entities when it comes to feeding them prasadam. It results from our lack of faith in the potency of Prasadam that it will cleanse all the contamination from the hearts of the living entities. Sri Sivananda Sena treated even a dog with so much respect, then what to speak of human beings?

>>19023052
In this Kali yuga, living entities are predominantly in the modes of passion and ignorance. Whereas to understand the Supreme Personality of Godhead and perform devotional service, the bare minimum requirement is to be at least in the mode of goodness.

So how to build the bridge between the two sides ?

The only solution is “Prasadam”. Because the potency of prasadam is to soften and cleanse the heart of a person even without his knowledge, thereby bringing him to the platform of sattva guna. At that stage, he is ready to receive the message of transcendence. There are unlimited examples in the history of bhakti cult in this regard. Srila Prabhupada is the greatest exponent of Prasadam distribution.

At first, when he started the Krishna Consciousness movement in the western world, he did not impose any rules and regulations. All those who came were drunkards, drug addicts and hippies. All he did was feed them with prasadam and sing kirtans. Moreover once the feast was over, they would leave the plates and cups as it is. After everyone had left, Srila Prabhupada would clean all the plates, utensils and the entire room by himself.

A few years later as the movement spread all over the world, once several devotees had gathered in his room for his darshan. At that time, Srila Prabhupada went around each one of them in the room, pointing at them asking, “How did you come to Krishna consciousness?” By the time he reached the last person, every single devotee in the room had given the same answer – “PRASADAM!”.

Srila Prabhupada concluded, “See, every one of you became a devotee because of Prasadam. That is my Secret Weapon!”

(copied from http://www.bhagavatam-katha.com/krishna-story-dog-of-sivananda-receive-mercy-by-secret-wepon/)

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Woooooh! We don't need Krishna now! Baron Trump is the Kalki! He is the avatar of Vishnu! DIGITS HAVE SPOKEN!
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>>19023166


you check this out >>19023204

dubs aint hard on a slow board stupid faggot

>>19023205
If dubs he's right

>>19023056
Narada muni had a similar story. Attained spiritual perfection after a few lifetimes due to sadhu sanga and maha prashad. One of my favorite characters in bhagavatam.

>>19023249
Damn right.
>Parashurama, the sixth avatar of Vishnu is a Chiranjivi (immortal) and in scripture is believed to be alive, waiting for the return of Kalki. He will be a martial preceptor of Kalki, teaching him military science, warfare arts and instructing him in the performance of a severe penance in order to receive celestial weaponry.[4][5] [6] The purana also relates that Hari, will then give up the form of Kalki, return to heaven and the Krita or Satya Yuga will return as before.[7]

>>19023352
Both of you prabhus should check out New Bihar Mandir which is centered around worship of Sri kalki.

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>>19023166
He doesn't seem to fit any of the predictions of Kalki-dev. Well, except for being very white. :)

Any particular reason you think so?

>>19023326
Narada is the closest GV theology has to a Trickster. From one who foolishly sees his relationship to Krishna as sakhya-rasa, and greatly enjoys the jokes and teasing of Krishna, the astounding actions of Narada-Muni delight me to no end. Friend of demon and demigod alike, he is often the catalyst of great change and the emergence of great personalities. It was he who instructed the sadist hunter to chant Mara Mara, which became Rama Rama, and turned the hunter into the poet Valmiki. It was he who enticed Kamsa to increase his killing, and quicken the advent of Krishna. All glories to the spiritual spaceman.

>>19023473
Also believe that he is also situated in madhurya rasa when taking the form of a vraj gopi (similar to how lord shiva has a vrindavana body as gopeshwar mahadeva)

>>19023056
So Prasadam is a meme of conciousness that spread to the world?

>>19023359
What? Really? Shit, link me! They need to know about Baron! The Kalki is HERE!

>>19023548
Not going to waste their time with that bullshit.

>>19023555
Those are hyperborean trips of truth there anon. It seems that I must waste my own time.
>>19023473
Who else could lead the way?

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>>19023555
Is there seriously a temple to the Kalki in South Carolina? If so, I will go there someday with a busload of hippie national socialists, all tripping balls on pure Love, milligrams of it!

>>19023352
parashurama instruct me in the penance, I am ready.

>>19023645
He really has some interesting connections to other indo-aryan gods such as those in germanic lore.

>>19023641
spotted the suit

>>19023853
I'm a shitposting hippie, you filthy namefag!

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>>19023476
>he is also situated in madhurya rasa
I fully accept that. I meant myself in terms of foolish conjecture on mellows.

>>19023525
Perhaps? Prasadam is "mercy," in common use it food that has been prepared for the purpose of Krishna's pleasure, offered to a Deity, then eaten in he awareness that it is directly Krishna. It could extend beyond food to anything used in Krishna's service, then given to a devotee.

Considering the most important part of all of this is the devotee's awareness and purpose, in that sense it is a consciousness meme.

>>19023630
>Who else could lead the way?
You can't base this on conclusions from your own, limited knowledge. Guru, sadhu, sastra - spiritual matters are decided on instruction from the masters, scriptural injunction, and the community of devotees. At least connect to one of these.

>>19023645
First step: no meat, no sex, no intoxicants, no gambling. From there you can get into actual penance.

Try this as a prayer:
mleccha-nivaha-nidhane kalayasi karavālaṃ
dhūma-ketum iva kim api karālam |
keśava dhṛta-kalki-śarīra
jaya jagadīśa hare

>O Keshava! O Lord of the universe! O Lord Hari, who have assumed the form of Kalki. All glories to You. You appear like a comet and carry a terrifying sword for bringing about the annihilation of the wicked barbarian men at the end of Kali-yuga.

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I mean, there's no issue if your personal, most-attractive form of Krishna is Kalki. But if that's who you feel love toward, try to get to know the person.

Have you read the Kalki Purana?
http://om-aditya.ru/userfiles/ufiles/purany/sri_kalki_purana.pdf

>>19024009
Not yet, but I'll read it tomorrow. Thanks for the pdf. Gotta go to bed though, 2am now. Night anon.

>>19023961
i'm not gonna fuckin do a praise song or some such to myself bro, under the assumption that I am the kalki and you are parashurama, you should be giving me some rare penance to do which will achieve special powers such as hanging by one arm from a tree while putting a nut up my ass or something. I'm talking about overt pain for overt gain, isn't that the basic definition of your no-toilet-country's idea which is called "tapas"?

>>19024025
in fact, im going to make a thread about this.

>>19024066
here is the thread.
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>>19024025
What's wrong with singing?

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>>19024009
Hey, thanks again for that PDF. I'm not just reading it, I'm spreading this far and wide.

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There was a sweet pastime that took place when Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu (Nimai) was a small boy.Once Mother Sachi gave a bowl of Fused rice, sweetmeats to little Nimai to eat and went on to do some household work.Then, Nimai hid himself and started eating dirt. Seeing this, mother Saci hastily returned and exclaimed, "What is this! What is this?" She snatched the dirt from the hands of the Lord and inquired why He was eating it.

Crying, the child inquired from His mother, "Why are you angry? You have already given me dirt to eat. What is My fault?. "Fused rice, sweetmeats and all other eatables are but transformations of dirt. This is dirt that is dirt. Please consider. What is the difference between them? This body is a transformation of dirt, and the eatables are also a transformation of dirt. Please reflect upon this. You are blaming me without consideration. What can I say?"

This is an explanation of the Mayavada philosophy, which takes everything to be one. The necessities of the body, namely eating, sleeping, mating and defending, are all unnecessary in spiritual life. When one is elevated to the spiritual platform, there are no more bodily necessities, and in activities pertaining to the bodily necessities there are no spiritual considerations. In other words, the more we eat, sleep, have sex and try to defend ourselves, the more we engage in material activities. Unfortunately, Mayavadi philosophers consider devotional activities to be bodily activities. They cannot understand the simple explanation in the Bhagavad-gita (14.26):
mam ca yo 'vyabhicarena bhakti-yogena sevate
sa gunan samatityaitan brahma-bhuyaya kalpate
>Anyone who engages in spiritual devotional service without motivation, rendering such service for the satisfaction of the Lord, is elevated immediately to the spiritual platform, and all his activities are spiritual.

>>19027224
Brahma-bhuyaya refers to Brahman (spiritual) activities. Although Mayavadi philosophers are very eager to merge into the Brahman effulgence, they have no Brahman activities. To a certain extent they recommend Brahman activities, which for them means engagement in studying the Vedanta and Sankhya philosophies, but their interpretations are but dry speculation. Lacking the varieties of spiritual activity, they cannot stay for long on that platform of simply studying Vedanta or Sankhya philosophy.

Life is meant for varieties of enjoyment. The living entity is by nature full of an enjoying spirit, as stated in the Vedanta-sutra (1.1.12): ananda-mayo 'bhyasat. In devotional service the activities are variegated and full of enjoyment. As stated in the Bhagavad-gita (9.2), all devotional activities are easy to perform (su-sukham kartum) and are eternal and spiritual (avyayam). Since Mayavadi philosophers cannot understand this, they take it for granted that a devotee's activities (sravanam kirtanam vishnoh smaranam pada-sevanam, etc. [SB 7.5.23]) are all material and are therefore maya. They also consider Krishna's advent in this universe and His activities to be maya. Therefore, because they consider everything maya, they are known as Mayavadis.

Actually, any activities performed favorably for the satisfaction of the Lord, under the direction of the spiritual master, are spiritual. But for a person to disregard the order of the spiritual master and act by concoction, accepting his nonsensical activities to be spiritual, is maya. One must achieve the favor of the Supreme Personality of Godhead through the mercy of the spiritual master. Therefore one must first please the spiritual master, and if he is pleased, then we should understand that the Supreme Personality of Godhead is also pleased.

>>19027239
But if the spiritual master is displeased by our actions, they are not spiritual. Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura confirms this: yasya prasadad bhagavat-prasado yasyaprasadan na gatih kuto 'pi **. Activities that please the spiritual master must be considered spiritual, and they should be accepted as satisfying to the Lord.

Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu, as the supreme spiritual master, instructed His mother about the Mayavada philosophy. By saying that the body is dirt and eatables are also dirt, He implied that everything is maya. This is Mayavada philosophy. The philosophy of the Mayavadis is defective because it maintains that everything is maya but the nonsense they speak. While saying that everything is maya, the Mayavadi philosopher loses the opportunity of devotional service, and therefore his life is doomed. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu therefore advised mayavadi-bhashya sunile haya sarva-nasa (Cc. Madhya 6.169). If one accepts the Mayavada philosophy, his advancement is doomed forever.

Astonished that the child was speaking Mayavada philosophy, mother Saci replied, "Who has taught You this philosophical speculation that justifies eating dirt?". Replying to the Mayavada idea of the child philosopher, mother Saci said, "My dear boy, if we eat earth transformed into grain, our body is nourished, and it becomes strong. But if we eat dirt in its crude state, the body becomes diseased instead of nourished, and thus it is destroyed.

In the philosophical discourse between the mother and the son, when the son said that everything is one, as impersonalists say, the mother replied, "If everything is one, why do people in general not eat dirt but eat the food grains produced from the dirt?"
In a waterpot, which is a transformation of dirt, I can bring water very easily. But if I poured water on a lump of dirt, the lump would soak up the water, and my labor would be useless."

>>19027246
This simple philosophy propounded by Sacimata, can defeat the Mayavadi philosophers who speculate on oneness. The defect of Mayavada philosophy is that it does not accept the variety that is useful for practical purposes. Sacimata gave the example that although an earthen pot and a lump of dirt are basically one, for practical purposes the waterpot is useful whereas the lump of dirt is useless. Sometimes scientists argue that matter and spirit are one, with no difference between them. Factually, in a higher sense, there is no difference between matter and spirit, but one should have the practical knowledge that matter, being an inferior state of existence, is useless for our spiritual, blissful life, whereas spirit, being a finer state, is full of bliss. In this connection the Bhagavatam gives the example that dirt and fire are practically one and the same. From the earth grow trees, and from their wood come fire and smoke. Nevertheless, for heat we can utilize the fire but not the earth, smoke or wood. Therefore, for the ultimate realization of the goal of life, we are concerned with the fire of the spirit, not the dull wood or earth of matter.
The Lord replied to His mother, "Why did you conceal self-realization by not teaching me this practical philosophy in the beginning? Now that I can understand this philosophy, no more shall I eat dirt.

If from the beginning of life one is taught the Vaishnava philosophy of duality or variety, the monistic philosophy will not bother him very much. In reality, everything is an emanation from the supreme source (janmady asya yatah [SB 1.1.1]). The original energy is exhibited in varieties, exactly as the sunshine, the original energy emanating from the sun, exhibits itself in variety as light and heat. One cannot say that light is heat or that heat is light, yet one cannot separate one from the other.

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>>19027250
Therefore Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu's philosophy is acintya-bhedabheda, inconceivable non-separation and distinction. Although there is an affinity between the two physical manifestations light and heat, there is also a difference between them. Similarly, although the whole cosmic manifestation is the Lord's energy, the energy is nevertheless exhibited in varieties of manifestations.

http://ausram.blogspot.com/2014/03/mayavada-and-vaishnava-philosophy-nimai.html

Is a devotee able to see Krishna only after death?

>>19027276
Lots of different levels on that question. At its most basic: no. You can see Krishna RIGHT NOW. Look at OPs pic. That is Krishna. That is not a picture of Krishna, that is not a representation of Krishna, THAT. IS. KRISHNA.

Right there.

On your screen.

Right now.

Do you see Him? Or do you see a picture? I see a picture, I will not lie.

The other aspect to the "lower" answer is that "seeing" is not important. HEAR Him. Chant the Hare Krishna mantra - Krishna is there, fully, in His name. Just as He is there fully in His picture. When you chant the mahamantra you are associating directly with God.

The "higher" level to this question is when will Krishna "fully appear" - as in make you aware of His full presence and personality - and to that I would say you don't have to die, but you DO have to be completely purified.

I can think to the case of Narada Muni (who we talked about earlier) - he became purified to the point of seeing Krishna without dying, but was told he would never see Krishna again until he left that body.

Ultimately I don't think I have enough understanding to give a good answer. But currently my position is that one can be fully purified and Krishna Conscious in a single life, but that one must leave this material body to obtain their spiritual body and re-enter Goloka-Vrindavan.

>>19027304
Definitely an important and complex question. Would say Krsna can also appear by mercy alone, such as in the case of Jagai and Madhai who received darshan of the lord while being completely unqualified.

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>>19027304
Why must you lose your flesh to achieve this? The path I take teaches individuation. That is, finding a true perfected oneness between the I that I am now, the me that I was before, and the one whom has always been I.

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>>19028160
First, I wouldn't use "must" with Krishna. He does what He wants. However Krishna usually wants to maintain the system He set up.

>Bg 3.22 — O son of Pṛthā, there is no work prescribed for Me within all the three planetary systems. Nor am I in want of anything, nor have I a need to obtain anything – and yet I am engaged in prescribed duties.
>Bg 3.23 — For if I ever failed to engage in carefully performing prescribed duties, O Pārtha, certainly all men would follow My path.

Second, it is not your flesh. You are borrowing it. If you think it is your flesh, then why will you be forced to leave at the time of death?

>the I that I am now, the me that I was before, and the one whom has always been I.
Vaishnava conception is that the soul is eternal and unchanging. There would be no difference between these "I"s, unless you are talking about the temporary physical and mental bodies we inhabit. In that case, the material body is not related to the spiritual, and trying to find a permanent connection between the two without understanding that connection to be Krishna is futile.

Last, I am basing my position on Gita quotes:

> Bg 4.9 — One who knows the transcendental nature of My appearance and activities does not, upon leaving the body, take his birth again in this material world, but attains My eternal abode, O Arjuna.
tyaktvā dehaṁ - "leaving aside the body"

And yet there are also passages such as these:

> Bg 5.19 — Those whose minds are established in sameness and equanimity have already conquered the conditions of birth and death. They are flawless like Brahman, and thus they are already situated in Brahman.

This is why guru, sastra, sadhu is important. Proper understanding comes not simply from quoting scripture, but from understanding the teachings and examples of the acaryas and from discussion with the spiritual community.