Luciferianism

>>19011173
Can't speak to the Luciferian, but the Satanists I know just seem like Libertarians.

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>>19011173
No difference really. Both venerate the edgelord of this world.

>>19011173
Luciferianism will promote religion for it is the basis of there power. As long as people follow religion, they are predictable and controllable. Religion is in its form these days a pure Luciferian tool. The God and Holy books honest religious people think they serve are
famous and in power because of Luciferian effort.
Satanism is something else. It does not promote religion and does not really care about it either. Satanism is a way to worship the ego and make profit out of it. It does not follow or believe in Satan, but sees nothing wrong with using the reputation of some dumb Hebrew scapegoat and have fun with it. And because Satanism is very magik orientated, it does know about Luciferianism and therefor not loved that much by it. But Satanists are rebels don't care about that.

Satanism is a construct of the kikes and the catholics. The catholics spread the satanic myth as an excuse to fight the Cathars and betray the Templars, who were of gnostic luciferian traditions. Lucifer is the first king of the Hyperborean man, the one who led the war of truth to bring up the people of this world, to free them from the Demiurge! Although the enemies of truth defame and demonize his name, we will rise him back up into the heavens and win this war, as the wheel turns, and the beasts of the kali yuga are purged forever.

>>19011173
Besides the name of the Deity, very little to none. Often times, in many of the denominations within both branches, both names are used. Further, many views and principles are interchanged within the religions, making tracing their definitive differences in genealogy and form complicated.

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>>19011173
You can look it up in the Christian bible as a matter of fact.

Lucifer is considered an angel, the most high. He does God's will.
Luciferian are the ones who brought God to men. They created the conspiracy. They will do anything to make you fear the imaginary God they created. The only real mistake was to write a bible that states it must never be altered.
These days people are getting to know more and more of the laws of nature and therefor the credibility of the book that states it tells only truth falls apart. Other then that Luciferians rule the world and, despite from the fact they succeed in wasting time of the masses with useless nonsense (like: who killed JFK, keeping up with the Kardashians, porn sites, flat earth and probably even 4chan), they themselves are very well aware that real study (philosophy, psychology, chemistry, biology, economy, literature and theology ) is key to make profits in life. They ARE highly educated and masters in the art of masters in the art of manipulation (aka magik), this also of course due proper study (esoteric knowledge ). Remember, angels have great power.

Satanism is a different branch.
If you read the bible it comes clear there are only 2 ways. God' s way or not.
Satanists don't comply to God's rules per se. Conform the bible they then are sinners. Since some non-christians where totally trough with the Bible's influence, they flipped the game and shitted Luciferians right in the face. Mainstream though Satanism rebels the church. Satanists know (because of their knowledge in the art of magik) all religions are just Luciferian tools).
If the bible calls me a sinner, why not enjoy the benefits of the label and live the carnal lifestyle?

Luciferianism keeps religion alive.
Satanism does not care one bit about wasting time on religion.
That's the difference.

So they both worshipp the Devil?

Nope.

Luciferians create a devil, Satanist mock the Luciferians by enjoying the Devils playground.

But who is the true redeemer in all of this occult circlejerking.

Luciferians gain by keeping the masses circlejerking.
Satanists do also profit by this because most people are in fact circle jerking or to scared.
Also sin and mysteries (intelligent untruths ) sells like nothing else.

Mission impossible 4 , the court scene in the beginning makes things very clear.

>>19013040
* sorry, but it's Rogue Nation, not ghost protocol.
But Scientology (and therefor Every Tom Cruise movie is 'A Book of Enoch'). Once you understand Enochian, the dialogues in those movies morphe into a complete different story. Magik of the Highest Level. People can go totally crazy getting into Enochian. Be advised. . .
Enochian is the angelic (Luciferian) language. Satanists learned how to use it.

>>19012987
Nice try Lucek
but we all do remember that you are the problem
you are the fallen one that creates all evil

>>19013076
It was not me that set the rules. If rules were different I would still be the same.
If you have a problem with that, ask your God to fix it. As long as I am alive, you will know your prayer did not get answered.

>>19013076
i don't think you understand a concept of religion
religion is nothing more than a set of rules
now i do want to belive in God but regardless of His existance we have a set of rules that was set.
for example God set rules to not murder, steal etc.
but He also set a rules regarding chemistry or physycs
lucifer says "fuck dis do what you want"
but regardless what you do the "elemental rules" will remain in effect
if you swallow acid you will burn a hole in your tummy
but if you have knowledge how to counteract these properites you may just trick someone to belive in "other way"
and that's what lucifer does he is a master of trickery and he does just this - he tricks his belivers
>If rules were different I would still be the same.
this is example of this trickery
no if the rules would be differeant it would be differeant.
for example if we were breathing water instead of oxygen our life would be different.
if gravity would work different our life would be different
the same things goes for prayers
prayer is nothing more but doing "it just like God wills" so if he said don't murder just don't murder
that is unless you want to end up like mayans or other satanist cult..

>>19013111
If it does not harm you or there is no need to eat it, don't kill it. That is the way of the Satanist. You don't need God for rules, empathy will do.
As for the rules of nature, God did not made those up. They made up God.
Lucifer enforces you to obey God.
Satanists encourage each other to not be stupid and study everything you might need. They also encourage not to take someone just by word, but to be wise. It is not wise to break the law on such a way it hit you back real hard. And life is the true magik in the universe, don't harm it without a very good reason.

And Lucifer is no more according to the bible. Satan is the new image. So your argument is misleading, and as a true Luciferian you already said that. You will use all your tricks. But your lie show because of it. Every time.

But keep on spreading God word. Keep making people feel unsecure. Keep scaring them. Or..., or, enjoy the day.

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>>19011173 (OP)

Look OP, this is a very complicated matter. It's because there are different approaches to the same concept used by different people.

There is a theistic Satanism, atheistic Satanism and same applies to Luciferianism you could say.

BUT the MAIN DIFFERENCE is in fact in the name itself.

Satanism comes from "SATAN". Satan is a being from Bible, a personification of everything that Christians believed to be evil or heretic. So satanism in itself is just a reactionary ideology meant to oppose Christian morality and doctrine.

While Luciferianism comes from word "LUCIFER", the bringer of light. It is a much older word and concept than Christian religion itself. It is an ideology that worships the rebel angel archetype - someone who goes his own way and values LIGHT (TRUTH, POWER) over DARKNESS (LIES, SERVITUDE).

I consider myself Luciferian. I invested many hours of my life to study this concept. It isn't just connected to Lucifer from Bible, it is also connected to Prometheus, the bringer of fire... I think it's mainly a gnostic concept that came from old shamanic traditions.

>>19012895

this is so wrong, you know nothing

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wow, /x/ seems to be full of Christian cucks that lack even basic multi-paradigmatic approach to debates.

OP, if you want to learn about ANY concept, mainly go for etymology and then for symbolism. You can't understand concept like "LUCIFER" while looking into it from a set perspective. Free yourself from the chains of ideology. lumen scientiae

>>19013125
satanists encourage other people to do things that they wouldn't do
this is the essence of trickery, just tell some naive moron that there is no good rules to follow and watch them fall
god gave us set of 10 rules
all satan/lucifer occults have reversed set of rules but instead of obeying them them they are tricking others to do them
this is simple and beautiful just watch someone set his house on fire because he was tricked to think that this would help him
according to bible lucifer has many names only his tricks remains the same
>Keep making people feel unsecure
this. this is the very thing that WAS holding humanity from evil's grasp for a long time
if a bandit was afraid of eternal hell fire he was holding himself
now people don't feel unsecure they are not afraid about God's wraith
results ?
well we had communism that wanted to be new christianity they felt so secure that they murdered over 100 milions people in soviet union (and God know how many more) and over what ?
communism/socialism/facism is falling agin and agin shapeshifting on more bizzare shapes each time and each time it's doing more damage
but all high rank members of gommunism party were secure as fuck
they had everything while other people were starving :-DDDD
so yeah i think they enjoyed their days feeling secure and not afraid from hell fire

Why would you worship some fallen angel faggot who is lesser than human beings and was tossed into the Pit because he refused to bow to his betters? Lucifer is just God's bitch, bow down to the true Master.

>>19013150
>free yourself from chains of ideology
>dude read about luciferanism
wut ?
the biggest problems are morons that belive that luciefarnism/satanism/whateveryoucallitatthistime is a patch to enlighment..
..when lucifer SAYS that he is a master of trickery and lies
>oy human lemme teach you a thing or two about the world
>w-wait a second are you trying to trick me ?
>me ? of course no !
>b-but you said yourself that you are master of lies
>that's a lie !
XD<- is literally only thing that i can type in a response of this low level retardness

>>19013166
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>>19013166

that's why it's bullshit to call it "SATANISM". It lacks nuance, becomes just a reactionary thing opposing Christianity.

If one is inclined to believe in individualism strongly based in materialism and worships nature as entropic force, it makes sense to study paganism.

If you are sort of an idealist, that values individualism based on faith in liberty, freedom, knowledge - you should consider looking into luciferianism.

>>19013187
Knowledge is only a tool.

True freedom is chaos.

Lucifer and Satan are fgts

>>19011173
Both gay and Jewish. You'll find more interesting sects if you break away from this notion that Abrahamism encompasses everything.

Luciferianism is a rip-off of Prometheanism, Prometheus being the Titan that went against the others and gave mankind knowledge of fire. On a side note Eve and the apple is a rip-off of Pandora's box (which was actually a jar).

Satanism is just edgy kids who think the Jewish supergod is lame.

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>>19013179

you're completely missing the point. You are still associating concept of lucifer with Christian doctrine. You have to ponder on the meaning of the word "LUCIFER" itself.

For example:
http://www.wordcentral.com/cgi-bin/student?Lucifer
don't just read this one, look into other sources as well, go for etymology of the word.

I, myself find great value in studying Luciferianism. But at the same time, I'm not religious person. I view this ideology as strong reminder to see things from a skeptical, agnostic point of view. It is a liberating tool in perception and reality engineering. So, I don't want you to worship Luciferianism or call yourself luciferian. I'm not trying to sell you a religion. I'm just pointing out the benefits of this concept.

And stop with the retarded christian indoctrination banter, it's stupid.

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>>19011173
“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

>>19013192
>>19013203

you're right and wrong at the same. :D

Yes, stop worshiping christian view of Lucifer. Except the word "LUCIFER" is much older than christianity. To a degree it is interchangeable with "Prometheanism", because it is exactly the same concept. But I like the word "LUCIFER" more, because of it's meaning. Not because of it's association with some lame character from a christian fanfic.

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>>19013192

yes, but you have to understand that for CHAOS to exist, you have to have ORDER also.

In ORDER there are manifestations of aspects of relationships between chaos and order sometimes personified in concepts like "LUCIFER".

You see?

>>19012987
>Lucifer is considered

A bad translation that somehow ended representing satan.

lucifer and satan are masters of lies, whatever you believe, shifts are happening, anyone with eyes can see.

Christ is the new morningstar because lucifer was cast out,he no longer held that title.

>>19013254
> of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall die.
> See, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever

>>19013257
> wide is the gate, and broad the way that is leading to the destruction, and many are those going in through it
(speaking of the lord of the world and the most popular religions)

Satanism-Luciferism is the world's strongest religion, but it is a hidden religion.

From a lost village in the Apalaches to a crowded city everyone and their mother practices it.

Sure, one may say he's a christian and the other a muslim, but sit down and observe what they say and do and you'll come to the conclusion that these sons of bitches just came out of hell and belong there.

>>19013462
I know man...I know. Everytime I try to explain this to my friends they just think I'm crazy. Until we have scholarly articles on the subject it is going to stay in the realm of the occult and very few people will be aware of it. It's hard to explain these things without relying on religious words. People don't respond well to it because of how not trendy religion is at the time. But I see what you're saying and it's pretty scary.

>>19013480

Word of advice: christianity isn't the true religion even tough these people belong to satan and yhvh is there.

>>19013503
I know! I wish I could talk to you irl, I love talking about this stuff but people get disinterested really quick.

>>19013480
Explain it here

>>19013526

It's usually a bad idea to give out details, first the individuals in question will go unto you like you are a madman, because they hate truth, secondly God himself hates it.

He doesn't want the faggots to know details.

>>19013526
People dismiss the bible now because Christianity fell to greed. Christianity isn't the word of god anymore. God is you and you see him in everybody you look at. It's the good you see in everybody. You can't rely on dogmas to control people. People have to come by themselves. Right now there's nothing for people to gather and meditate. Church has become preachy and this is not the goal of religion so people go their own way alone. This is why there are so many atheists right now.

God is something you feel and trust almost blindly. That's faith. Some people don't need religion to do that, they do it naturally because they have a good experience with the world. People who travel get it because they see how similar everybody is around the world.

Westboro baptist church is a great example of how Christianity fell.

People worshipping individualism, money and personal growth and still are Christians are actually following the path of Satan. Personal enlightenment. They are deceivers. The american lifestyle and capitalism is really close to what Satanism is. Also if you read books about how to be a leader or start a business you'll see a lot of similarities that and satanism.

>>19013555
>>19013526
There's so much more a could talk about but I'm not a scholar and most of it is speculations but I do love thinking about this stuff. Especially if the discussion is mutual, it's hard to just talk about it by yourself.

>>19013526

I'm glad I said this:
>>19013529


I'd have given a different explanation, because I myself have a different view, as I said, christianity never was the truth.

>>19013578
Explain it here :P Words is a barrier. I might explain it some words but your words might reorient what I think about it. That's what great about it. What's your explanation? What do you not agree with?

>>19013589

I don't give details because God doesn't want. Simply as that, they don't know much and it's better this way.

>>19013637
Well there goes Satanism and self-fulfillment again. You're as bad as anyone else.

>>19011173
Luciferian worship Lucifer as the Lightbringer

Satanists worship Satan as The Beast/The Accuser

>>19013697
I don't need your pat in the back, what I said can be tested if you have eyes and ears.

>>19013161
For fucks sake, you really are a Luciferian, aren't you? Isn't being more then rich enouck for you? Die already, piece of greedy arrogant shit. The best part of Luciferians is, they will never be satisfied. They need more. Live with that burden.

>>19013187
>satanism just opposes Christianity
Absolutely wrong. You have no idea on what you are talking about.
>knowledge, liberty, freedom
Are all things which esoteric forms of Satanism emphasize, and to certain extents, some materialist sects. Etymology isn't the sole reason for every development. read a book, nigger.
>>19013126
>satanism in itself is just a reactionary ideology meant to oppose Christian morality and doctrine.
Highly incorrect and nonfactual. I'm not certain how a few hours on Luciferic philosophy can give someone a comprehensive understanding of the many overlaps that both Satanic and Luciferian groups share but this is evidence that -hours- is not sufficient.

Both Satanism and Luciferianism emphasize individualism, self-mastery, liberation, and perceptual empowerment. Even Michael Ford borrows heavily from the ONA. They are both connected intimately. What separates them is the choice of deities and populist tendencies, that is to say, the only major difference superficially applicable is that Satanism can tend to be more material while Luciferianism tends to aim towards the spiritual. However, that distinction erases itself almost entirely when non-materialist Satanic variants, such as Diabolism (which you erroneously call "oppositional christianity") Gnostic and other transcendentalist forms, come into play.