When Saturn was our Sun

>>19009854
Saturn doesn't have enough energy to have been our sun

>>19009870
Like every other brown stars it has a life cycle

It went nova about 5k years ago and it lasted for 1k year. Thats ok for such a small star

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>>19009870
Shhhh, let them wonder.

In the earlt stage of our solar system, when the superhot gas from the big bang was cooling down and forming clumps of planets, for a moment, all gas giants shined bright like mini suns, and dare I even say Jupiter shined a little while longer before SOL took her seat.

The molten balls of rock and metal that eventually formed the now known planets and maybe even more that were cracked / flung away / absorbed into the sun and never made it to this day.

It was a war for the throne that day.

It was a war in heaven.

>>19009879
How did we orbit Saturn when the Sun was there?

>>19009921
Yes!!

>>19009922
Saturn and possibly Earth werent part of the solar system yet, either Saturn came in at regular times and swiped us out a few times until jupietr's and Sol's gravity prevailed, or we used to part to a saturnian system to begin with until we passed by the Sun and it captured us

>>19009921
Maybe its both...

Bump for interest nagas

>>19009922
We were in a polar lock with Saturn, not orbiting. This configuration drifted thru space until it bumped into our current solar system. See http://www.saturndeathcult.com for more info. This is the reddest pill

>>19010461
Reddest pill:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jhm5jOQPTw

ITT: Drugs

>>19010461
>>19010477
>polar lock

Literally just a made up thing

>>19010489
Literally didn't even read the link.

Imagine 2 marbles rolling down an incline together. See that wasn't hard was it?

>>19009879
Saturn was never a brown dwarf.

Brown Dwarfs don't form a nova

Even if it did, brown dwarfs have "life" spans in the trillions of years, and the universe is only about 13 billion.

And if there had been a nova 5k years ago, the remnants would be apparent.

Brown dwarfs don't lose mass and become planets like Saturn.

>>19010510
Show me proof saturn is a planet and not the remnants of a brown darf

Sames goes for jupiter

They both give out way more energy than they get from the sun, and still today regardless of their distance from us, are the brightest things in our nightsky

The Herbig
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Haro object 34 (HH
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34) is a classic example of axially aligned celestial objects conforming
to the polar configuration model postulated for an ancient Earth/S
aturn axial alignment. The inset photo
is a Spitzer Space Telescope image
with enough resolution to
show HH
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34’s northern polar jet/Birkeland
current. Image credits: NASA, IRAC

>>19010676
venus is brighter

>>19010676
The lower limit for a brown dwarf is about 13 masses of Jupiter. Saturn is not even the mass of on Jupiter, thus it is only a planet.

Jupiter is also not as massive as 13 jupiters.

Brown Dwarfs do not explode, they do no slough off large amounts of mass. They do not have the energy to do so. They simply sit there for trillions of years, slowly and slowly getting colder.

>it produces more energy than it receives from the sun

This does not mean anything. Jupiter and Saturn are very far from the sun, and thus receive very little energy from it.

Earth produces its own energy due to radioactive decay of certain minerals below the surface. If you moved it to a distant part of the solar system, then it would produce more energy than it receives.

That would not mean the earth suddenly became a star.

>they are the brightest things in our nightsky

No, Venus is the brightest thing in the night sky.

Futhermore, the only reason we can see from Jupiter or Saturn is light reflected from the sun.

If not for the Sun, we would see neither. Jupiter releases infrared and radio waves. Most of the energy it produces drives its weather.

>>19010830
What if our universe is electric in nature?

"The defining differences between a very low-mass brown dwarf and a gas giant (estimated at about 13 Jupiter masses) are debated.[2] One school of thought is based on formation; the other, on the physics of the interior.[2] Part of the debate concerns whether "brown dwarfs" must, by definition, have experienced nuclear fusion at some point in their history."

from the wikipedia page on Saturn...I thought this was all RP/tinfoil Christian bullshit but now I don't know. This thing about Saturn going super nova seems unlikely to say the least.

>>19010842

What if the moon is made of cheese?

>>19010985
Note 3 --

Saturn is about the right size to have been a minor star and was thought to be a ball of gas, although today it is known to consist mostly of liquid hydrogen -- not typical of a star by current precepts. Yet the amount of energy put out by Saturn today (including plasma flows, x-rays, and radio waves) exceeds the amount received from the Sun by a factor of three (where the Sun's energy is calculated as impinging heat and light radiation). That Saturn may have been a star has been suggested by any number of people over the years, but this theory was based on calculation of the mass of Saturn which suggested that it was composed almost entirely of gases.

>>19011007
>>19010842
>>19010989
The location of all the planets to a band extending only a limited amount above and below the Sun's equator is a phenomenon not defined by gravity. It remains undefined. The same inexplicable phenomenon of being grouped at or near the equator is seen in the rotation of nearly all planetary satellites of the planets (and almost all in the same direction), including the satellites of Uranus, which lies on its side with respect to the ecliptic.

In fact, we would expect the planets to circle the Sun much closer to its equator, if that is the rule for travel around a primary, and if they had been in their current positions for 4 billion years. It would be suggested that they have not been in their current locations all that long, although admittedly their orbits are also separated from each other by absolutely enormous distances, unlike planetary satellites.

Earth, Mars, Neptune, and Saturn all have their axes of rotation at 24 to 25 degrees to their orbit. This should not be. We would expect all the planets in the Solar System to have their spin axes pointing in the same up and down direction as the Sun. The spin axes of all of the 134 satellites of the planets point in the same direction as their parent planet, with only a few rare exceptions. [note 2]

The divergent and nearly identical inclination of the spin axes of these four planets is one of the first clues to a number of cosmologists that our Solar System is a composite of two systems (although it is a bogus indicator). The other hint was that our ancestors had called Saturn "the Sun," "the best Sun," "the first Sun." Perhaps Earth had at one time been a satellite of Saturn, or a planet orbiting Saturn? Saturn has all the look of a burned-out brown dwarf star which in the past could have supported life on closely orbiting planets. At some time in the past, Saturn with its planets might have entered the Solar System and the two systems merged. But when and how did this merger take place? [note 3]

>>19010842
Then you wouldn't have celestial bodies, since electromagnetism both repels and attracts.

Gravity, on the other hand, only attracts, so that's how you form planets and galaxies and stars.

>>19011168
They believe they have discovered the reason for the axis tilts not being the way they should and it's a 9th planet that would be quite large. It's a fairly recent discovery and the planet hasn't actually been located yet. There are a lot of satellites that indicate this planets existence. Though this is all just speculation and it could be some other crazy thing we don't even understand

>>19011017
>The location of all the planets to a band extending only a limited amount above and below the Sun's equator is a phenomenon not defined by gravity

No, it's entirely a matter of gravity. It's also a consequence of rotation and the conservation of angular momentum, but those in this case are caused by gravity as well.

>24 to 25 degrees

Neptune and Saturn have a tilt of 28 and 27 degrees respectively. Mercury, Venus and Jupiter are in the single digits, and Uranus is 98 degrees. Not enough data here to even suggest it's a composite of two systems. Indeed if the tilts of four of the planets were due to a composite of two systems, you'd expect their orbits to be similarly out of the ecliptic. That they are in the plane of the ecliptic means they were formed there, and axial tilt is very much secondary. Most moons are tidally locked, and therefore will be a bad comparison.

Our ancestors never called Saturn "the sun." Ancient peoples didn't hang out in their mother's basements all day, and went outside a lot and looked up. It's quite obvious that Saturn and The Sun are two different things, and they called them different things.

>>19010815
venus is closer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRI7cnK5R7A

>>19009854
We had 2 suns, a binary star. They were Saturn and Jupiter. The planet Mars had it's course between the Sun and Earth but then Jupiter happened and Venus was formed which knocked Mars out.

>>19011462
Spoken like a true retard

>>19010499
Thats not how orbits or gravity work. For there to be an "incline" causing them to roll side by side, they would have to be rolling towards a massive gravity well so powerful that they would just colide with it.

You cant just decide to break the laws of gravity for your theory

>>19013279
He's right, and you just established that there is no point in continuing this thread because you have no idea what you are talking about and are going to get angry and start name calling when it is made clear that you are out of your depth.

"Why are the planets all along the same plane?" Is a question every child has asked. Conservation of angular momentum is the answer, its not even hard to understand

Get a grip

Sage

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>>19011461
teh planurt Vulcan?