Christians wearing a cross.

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>>18988738
the devil is behind it

think about the cross and the symbol used in all kind of antichrist groups/institutions

its used to mock god or jesus

if jesus would be beheaded by a mexican cartel chainsaw would you wear a small chainsaw or build chainsaw statues??


research christ died on a stick/tree

they layers of deception and lies are deeeeeep

>>18988738

Clearly underage, but I will reply. The symbol of the cross serves to remind us of God's sacrifice. Bill Hicks was a fedora lord, albeit a funny one. If Jesus came back and saw people wearing the symbol of the cross he'd probably think "ah, these assholes still remember what I had to go through for them."

>>18988770
>if jesus would be beheaded by a mexican cartel chainsaw would you wear a small chainsaw or build chainsaw statues??

Exactly, the cross seems more like an FU than a symbol of love.

Christianity actually picked up the cross from a lot of other religions which were based on astrology, especially the Egyptian cult around Horus.

What the cross actually comes from is the zodiac wheel and the Southern Cross constellation.

>>18988738

The cross represents human suffering. Jesus is a representation of the divine individual, the carrying of the cross is symbolic of the individuals capacity to bear the suffering that characterizes human life.

>>18988738

You guys are full of interesting questions today.

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Thanks for the answers.

It's just things like this that niggle me, like the snake's head in the vatican, the apparently Luciferian symbology on the Pope's outfit, the fact that previous Pope literally looked like the possessed Regan in The Exorcist.

And all the evil that seems to be a part of power in the world.

A friend is a Mennonite, and explains it as being that God's gone on holiday, and Lucifer is ruling the planet now until he gets back.

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Anyone know why there's a Death Star at the Vatican too?

>>18988888
this is actually earth. It is bigger as they told us. Our earth is giving birth to a new earth soon. This is the reason why nobody is allowed to go to the antarctica. As soon new earth is ready, all the satanic clique will jump on it and build a new humanity. meanwhile they will continue to hold the humans on old earth on a low level with chemtrails, subliminals, conintelpro, manufractured happenings, social engineering and so on.

>>18988905
Won't all the water fall inside though? Seems risky that.

>>18988920
it is damn cold, the magnetic shield is actually broken at this point since the new gravity field of the new earth interrupts with the field of the old earth. So you can consider everything frozen as hell there.

>>18988929
Ah of course. Genius.

>>18988933
the same with light. Light particle perform differently in space as on earth. therefore every corbus in space get a perfect round shape even so it isn't. the light evolves around it perfectly since this is the perfect form our eyes can interpret and decode to our brain.

i dont know if i put enough errors in my post to fly under the radar of veritas. i have to go now.

>>18988947
Be safe brother

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ichthy is the correct symbol for Jesus followers

The cross is the Judea christian washing of the story. They killed Jesus and then the world went nuts. They realized they fucked up bad. Lots of the Jews turned messianic (Catholic and orthodox), some stayed jews (molochites and Sadducees). They retold the story so Jesus was the final sacrifice and he had to die.

In reality he didn't have to die. The world would have been amazing had he lived.

>>18988738
>>18988738
simple! Because he overcame the cross and the death it brought. Had the story ended at the cross, wearing one would be an insult and a grim reminder of his death. However, he overcame the judgment of the pharisees and torture the romans brought upon him, and therefore wearing teh cross symbolises his triumph over death and suffering.

>>18989383
This right here. The cross is a good thing for Christians, it represents death, evil and sin getting BTFO. It's more of an FU to Satan. If course it always depends on the intent of the wearer. I've seen plenty of terrible people wear them as fashion items.

the cross is empty symbolizing not only his death but his Resurrection

Anon, for a more detailed explanation:

What Christ Accomplished on the Cross
by Hieromonk Damascene

The topic of today’s talk—what Christ accomplished on the Cross—is of course a prime subject of contemplation during the Lenten season, as we prepare to prayerfully commemorate Christ’s passion, death, and the inevitable consequence of His death: His holy Resurrection. As we call to mind and repent of our sins during the Holy Fast, we also call to mind that which has saved us from the eternal consequences of sin. We call to mind Christ’s life-creating death on the Cross, which He underwent for the salvation of each one of us.

The Orthodox dogma of our redemption—which includes the doctrines concerning Christ’s incarnation, death and Resurrection—is the chief dogma of our Faith, together with the dogma of the Holy Trinity. I have been especially contemplating and reading Patristic writings on this subject for a few years now. It is a vast subject. In this lecture I will try to outline its main points in a linear and chronological fashion. I will speak about the state of man before the Fall and after the Fall, and then speak about how Christ saved us from the consequences of the Fall through His incarnation, death and Resurrection. Finally, I will summarize all the present and future accomplishments of Christ’s redemptive work.

>>18989502

1. The Primordial State
Let us begin by discussing the state of man and the world before the Fall. A right understanding of this pre-Fall state is actually essential to a right understanding of the meaning of Christ’s death on the Cross. We have to understand what Adam fell from in order to understand what Christ restores us to.

According to the Patristic interpretation of the Holy Scriptures, before the Fall man’s body was not subject to death and corruption. He was made potentially immortal, that is, if he had not sinned he could have lived forever in an incorrupt body, partaking of the Tree of Life in the Garden. Before the Fall, man knew no pain, no sickness. He was not subject to old age. He was not subject to the elements; he could not be physically hurt. He knew no decay. His body, while still material and sensual, was more spiritual than the body we inhabit now. It was not grossly material, like the body we now have.

At his creation from the dust of the ground, man was created in Grace. The Holy Fathers (such as St. John Damascene) say that Adam’s body and soul were created at the same time, and that when God breathed a living soul into him, He breathed also into him the Grace of the Holy Spirit. Before the Fall, the first man and the first woman had the Holy Spirit abiding within them.

>>18989511


The first man was not deified at the time of his creation, but he was created for deification, for union with God. By drawing ever closer to God in love, by seeking spiritual pleasure in God rather than physical pleasure through His senses, man was to become ever more holy and spiritual, ever more in the likeness of God, ever more transformed and deified by the Grace of God. Since God is limitless and unfathomable, the path of union with God was never to end. Man was created a little lower than the angels, but he eventually was to become higher than the angels, higher even than the highest ranks of the angels: “more honorable than the Cherubim and more glorious beyond compare than the Seraphim.”

Moreover, as man became more spiritual and divinized by drawing closer to God, he was to make all of creation more spiritual and divinized as well, drawing everything closer to God. Many Holy Fathers—such as St. Macarius the Great, St. John Chrysostom, St. Gregory of Sinai and St. Maximos the Confessor—teach that the entire creation was incorrupt before the Fall just as man was incorrupt: for the entire creation had been made for man. [4] St. Symeon the New Theologian states explicitly that not only Paradise was incorrupt before the Fall: everything, the whole creation, was without death and corruption. [5] Because he possessed both body and soul, man was the link between this incorrupt material world and the noetic world of the angels. As such, he was to unite the material world with the noetic world through his own ascent to God. [6]

>>18989517

2. The Consequences of the Fall
Such was the lofty original state of man and the creation, and such was man’s lofty original calling. But as we all know and experience every day, the first man, Adam, fell from this state and brought himself and all of creation into a state of corruption and death.

The whole story of the Fall and why it occurred lies outside the scope of this lecture. What concerns us here, as we contemplate the theology of redemption, is the consequences of the Fall. Just as we must understand what we fell from in order to understand what Christ restores us to, so also we must understand what we fell into in order to understand what Christ delivers us out of.

To put it another way: through His death on the Cross and through His Resurrection, Christ gives us life. In order to understand what it means to be given life, we must understand the death into which we have been born.

>>18989519

As you will recall, in the book of Genesis God told Adam: Of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil thou shalt not eat: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die (Gen. 2:17). Now, we know that Adam did not die on the day he ate from the tree: according to the Scriptures he lived to be 930 years old. But according to St. Gregory Palamas and other Fathers, God’s words were true: Adam did die on the day he ate the fruit. He died spiritually. He lost the Divine Grace in which he had been created. [7] He no longer had the Holy Spirit abiding within him. Because his nature had become corrupted, deifying Grace was now foreign to it. Before, God Himself abode within him through His Uncreated Energy. Now man became empty, devoid of Grace. He was separated from God. And, according to St. Gregory Palamas, this spiritual death made Adam subject to physical death, which in his case occurred after 930 years. [8]

At the Fall, man’s nature was changed. He still had the image of God in him, but now he had become corrupted. His spiritual corruption made his body more grossly material, subject to physical corruption or decay after death. Also, his spiritual corruption made his soul unable to partake of eternal union with God after death. Paradise had been barred to Adam during his earthly life, and both Paradise and heaven remained barred to him after death. After their death, Adam, Eve, and all their posterity went down into hades: a place of waiting, of separation from God. [9]

>>18988770
I think I remember hearing about how during a Prince concert he had a cross illuminated behind him. The arms disappeared as he proclaimed to the crowd that they had been lied to. Is that kinda what your talking about as far as the stick/tree thing goes?

>>18989524


Also, at the Fall, all of creation fell into corruption along with man: decay and death were introduced into the creation. In Romans 5:12 St. Paul says that By one man sin entered the world, and death by sin, and a little later, in Romans 8:20-21, he says that the creation entered into corruption because of man’s sin.

We are all the inheritors of the death and corruption that entered into man’s nature at the Fall. St. Gregory Palamas says that, through Adam’s one spiritual death, both spiritual and physical death were passed onto all men. [10] This is because human nature is one: we are all of the family of Adam.

Orthodoxy does not accept the idea that we are guilty of Adam’s sin. No, Adam alone was guilty of his sin. However, we do share the consequences of his sin. We are born into corruption, and with an inherited tendency or inclination toward sin. All of us sin, and so we deserve the consequences of sin: spiritual and physical death, and eternal separation from God in hades.

>>18989530


Between the time of Adam’s fall and the coming of Christ, there were many righteous men and women, whom we read about in the Old Testament. But they, even through their godly lives, were unable to reverse the consequences of the Fall. Grace could act on them from the outside, as it did on the Prophet Moses, so much so that he had to cover his radiant face as he descended from Mount Sinai. However, this was only a temporary radiance, as the Holy Scriptures and Fathers say. [11] He and all the Old Testament prophets did not have the Grace of the Holy Spirit abiding within them, as their personal strength and power. [12] And after death, everyone, even the most righteous, went down into hades, being cut off from Paradise and heaven.

During the Old Testament period, God gave laws to the Hebrews to help them live righteous lives. He instituted animal sacrifices, which the Hebrews were to make as offerings for sin. These sacrifices were a prefiguration of Christ’s sacrifice, to prepare the people of God to understand and accept the meaning of Christ’s death on the Cross. But neither the sacrifices nor the laws were able to restore mankind to the state he had lost at the Fall.

A perfect, blameless sacrifice was needed—a man who was without sin—in order to destroy the consequences of sin. That was why Christ came. The first Adam fell from his original designation, bringing everything into ruin. Therefore Christ, Who is called the Second Adam or the New Adam, came into the world to fulfill man’s original designation and restore what was lost. But Christ did even more than that. He not only restored man to what Adam was before the Fall: He gave man the possibility to become that which Adam was supposed to become, what Adam could have become had he not fallen.

>>18988738
He died on the cross representing his death for us all, Thus the cross is the symbol of sacrifice that was real fuckin hard to figure out wasn't it

The true perversion is wear the cross with Christ in it, like the Catholic Church does.
Wear a empty cross symbolize the miracle of ressurrection, that even the death on the cross didn't stop the Life and the Light.

>>18989534

http://orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/christcross.aspx

>>18988738

OP said Bill Hicks -- that means he loses

>>18988738
JESUS DID NOT HAVE TO DIE. DON'T BELEIVE THE LIES

>>18989705
Then He wouldn't have.

>>18988738
Imagine if the Jews succeeded in stoning him to death. We'd all be wearing little stones on strings now.

But seriously, this. >>18989550

>>18988738
It represents his suffering for humanity.

Derp.

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>>18988888
checked

>>18988888
check'd

Probably the same reason they used a telescope named L.U.C.I.F.E.R. to scout for ETs to save.

>>18988947
>Light particle

No such thing.

>>18989519
>The whole story of the Fall and why it occurred lies outside the scope of this lecture

Because the lecturer is ignorant of the true nature of the Fall of Man, and displays it throughout.

See here?

>He still had the image of God in him.

This is exactly false.

>>18989720
Jesus was not interfering with the moral path of the Jews. They chose Barabas over him, proving their inequity.

>>18989833
75:8.2.There has been no "fall of man." The history of the human race is one of progressive evolution, and the Adamic bestowal left the world peoples greatly improved over their previous biologic condition. The more superior stocks of Urantia now contain inheritance factors derived from as many as four separate sources: Andonite, Sangik, Nodite, and Adamic.

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because its easier to hang a cross from your neck than this.

>>18988738
the cross wasnt even part of Christianity until Constantine
it started much of the craze for relics that pervaded the religion for the next several hundred years

ancient texts even suggest that at the believed time of christ, crucifixion wasnt even used by the Romans for criminals. he likely would have been impaled

I'm not a Christian but my friend has given me a good answer to a question like this. If you are a Christian you look at it like the force of good (Christianity) trying to overcome the forces of evil (Roman Empire the Satan etc.). When he was about to be crucified it seemed all was lost the evil had to much power and influence and the leader of good on earth is about to be killed and humiliated. But Jesus takes these insurmountable odds and proceeds to come out the victor. He uses thier plan against them and sacrifices himself to become a martyr that has left one of the largest footprints ever left by one man in history. So a crucifix can be a reminder of his sacrifice and possibly a celebration of his victory against the powers that be. I don't know if Jesus was real or not but it's a great story and if he was real he was truly a great man.

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>>18988738
kurt died because he was a dumb faggot and a cuck who couldn't keep his bitch in her place.
a shotgun would only remind us of how much of a gayboy he was and also how gruesome his death was.

jesus died because of us.
the cross reminds us of his sacrifice, and his love for us

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>>18988877
I-Is that an actually image? Because if so, sweet fuck.

>>18988877
>>18990721
he is an old man and the hardships of his station did get on his health. seriously old people are never pleasent to look at.

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>>18989502
>What Christ Accomplished on the Cross
He accomplished being executed by the state for heresy, blasphemy, and treason.

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>>18990796
Its not just that. In a lot of images he has that look on his face and his nose is cartoonish. If theyre not shops maybe something happened that fucked up his facial expressions. Or maybe he was just born like that.

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>>18990796
>Just an old man
>Has pointed ears, deep red sclera, and is wearing clothing that doesn't provoke in the slightest a holy image.
>just an old man

Riiiiiighhht, Anon. And I am to assume Soros and his fellows are just "old men" as well?

>>18990938
>red sclera from camera flash
>pointed ears just perspective (he doesn't seem to have them in other pics) besides since when does weird ears equal demonic posession?
the horns on his clothing are worrying though

It's a representation of Jesus's sacrifices for humanity

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>>18990952
>>pointed ears just perspective (he doesn't seem to have them in other pics)

He actually does. They are also unnaturally elongated, like fucking knives. There is something seriously wrong with this man. especially when you add in the pedo grins.

>>18990963
well than again ugly doesn't necesarilly mean evil

I don't say that it is outlandish to say that there is more to him than pubic knows, but it has most likely nothing to do with his looks

>>18988738
well you see the cross before Christianity was still worn around and carried into battle by Romans but as a threat to the enemies of Caesar. then christians wore it to show they weren't afraid of Caeser

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>>18990987
Maybe. But there are some -very- disturbing images of this man around children. He also seems to have a perpetual rape face as his default expression. It's just unnerving.

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>>18990929
you are hust being too hard on the old man.
he got pretty screwed up after one of the traitors tried to kill him

>>18991235
*just
>damn it!

>>18988738
like a typical normie you guys are looking at it wrong. the cross never meant Jesus' defeat, it was Him dying on the cross that saved us all from sin. the cross signifies that the Savior finally saved us, christians have the cross to signify that Jesus saved us. plus what other symbol in history protects people and has demons running away from other than the cross? think about it, if you're a demon and you see a cross, wouldn't you be triggered at the fact that people are showing you proof that you lost? lolz.

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nope nope nope nope pope nope to the pope nope mr.pope

>>18988738
The cross is a symbol of Christ's sacrifice. Christians believe Christ sacrificed himself for the good of mankind, and his suffering is what purified our sins. So the cross is a symbol of that suffering to remind them that their sins are forgiven.

Pretty cut and dried, you can ask "why?" but it makes just as much sense as any other symbol.

Because it is the net of a cube.

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It's a symbol of appreciation and remembrance for the sacrifice that the Lord God made for us by choosing to die upon the cross for our salvation.
Additionally?
It can also represent the four elemental watchtowers of North/South/East/West with God at the center of it all atop His throne, just as Christ died upon the center of the cross symbol identically, returning to His place as a manifested face of the Source and Light who is at the center of all Creation.
It also acts when worn in metallic material (silver most effective) as a quasi-faraday cage for the body's personal aura, 'solidifying it' or at least stabilizing it to a small degree which makes vampiric spiritual entities have a harder time draining at the edges of your Body of Light's strength or influencing you in general if hostile in nature of action. Having a more stabilized aura also makes it easier to channel conductively.
Another way the Cross is representative is by showing the Trinity faces of God.
Father at the top center, with the Son at His right hand and the Spirit at His left hand...with our existence of the physical material realm far apart below them, where we often hold the cross at its base.
There are other reasonings to consider, but start with that.

Galatians 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law having become a curse for us as it is written "he whom is hung from a tree is cursed."

>>18989822
Lucifer is Venus.
Some people think the stars in our solar system are actually fallen angels. (Hence the star worship in ancient times)

And that the entire universe / outer space is just fake star worship because the bible does say the earth does not move and is still.

>>18991284
Was it really a cross or a tree/log as some bible versions say?

>>18990624
Jesus was the ultimate neet kissless virgin neckbeard, his dad was the ultimate cuck and his mother was the ultimate slut.

>>18988738
The cross actually represents the Cube of Space from the Sepher Yetzirah unfolded.

Thanks for all the answers guise.

A mate of mine reckons there are two factions in the Vatican, and the reason it hordes all it's wealth instead of using it in a Jesus-like way, is that the good faction isn't in power there.

I don't know if I believe that but I love ideas like that, that make more sense than the reality seems to.

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My mate also reckons the pine cone symbology is representative of the pineal gland, or the 3rd eye, at the center of our brains, which is active when we dream, when we die, and by Ayahuasca or by smoking DMT.

There are some fascinating dmt trip reports on youtube, especially by Terence McKenna and Joe Rogan, which long story short seems to propell the user to another dimension for 10-15 minutes.

>>18988738
The so called sacrifice of Jesus on the cross is a perversion of his true message and true gospel he gave us. Jesus was sent to live as human to take the people back to the path that leads to god. But the great deceiver (Paul) took it all wrong and changed the true message - that jesus lived for us - to "hurr durr he died for our sins get it guyz".

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>>18988877
Moses had horns too in a famous statue by Michelangelo. The horns actually are equivalent in early Christian symbology to the halo and represent a sign that a figure was enlightened/had knowledge. The Latin Vulgate text says that Moses descended from his talk with God "horned" by the knowledge he had gained.

Gurdjieff also says, with regards to the Lascaux cave paintings:

> He implied ... that Lascaux was the center of an esoteric society and that the Great Stag was not only its emblem but its reminding factor for its work. [...] The number of points on the antlers represented the degree of attainment of the man.

>>18991387
He appears to be hugging him and saying something into his ear, lmao. The photo was just taken at an awkwardly posed time.

>>18988738
Its also misguided historically aswell, as some historians feel the roman crucifixion was shaped more like a capital T or just a pole than a cross and others say there was no evidence to say that there was ever crucifixtions held in that time period.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/7849852/Jesus-did-not-die-on-cross-says-scholar.html

>>18992905
You think he wasn't giving it to Mary Magdalene? The gospels said she washed his feet with her hair and hair was considered erotic at the time (most women covered their hair). A number of scholars see that passage as having erotic undertones.

Some apocryphal gospels also imply that Jesus was involved in homosexual live as well.