A question for all christians

>>18969335
How did he sin? The idea is that he never committed a sin, a perfect man.

>>18969357
He lost his faith.

>>18969335
you know I read the book of mathew for the first time the other day and was wondering the same thing..He comes back after though ...through ressurection, so it doesnt seem like it caused him to go to hell. God lost faith in himself?
Forgives mankind for because even he couldnt handle it?

>>18969335
The idea of god, is that no matter what he gets you after death. If you believe in him, he will be there for you. If not, then you let go of all the burdens of your soul. When you empty your cup you will find god/soul, what you were underneath it all along. If you embrace love, then you have the power to change. God suffers with us through our lives. He dies for us, so that we may meet him when we die, and then live with him in eternity.

File: jesus.jpg (122KB, 480x358px) Image search: [Google]

122KB, 480x358px

I also wonder about the requirements of getting to heaven. I always here about Christians going out and doing good, like y'know, donating, praying, volunteering, crusading, to make it to heaven. However, I've also heard some Christians say things like "Oh yeah, atheists can make it to heaven as long as they're not super bad, mang." So I wonder what's the point of doing all of that? If you could make it to heaven just by not being a bad person, which can be pretty easy if you just think about your public image, why not just enjoy your time on Earth instead of wasting your time until you die?

>>18969371
No he didn't, that's the most twisted verse in Christianity. When he supposedly said My God, why have you abandoned me? He was talking to the witnesses, not God. He knew God never betrays anyone. He couldn't have been talking to God. Therefore, he was talking to you.

>>18969532
Y'all have lost faith in yourselves. You rely too much on what others tell you and not what your heart is saying.

>>18969528
Did you talk to actual christians or did you talk with the "Jesus is love mang, he was a socialist mang, love is love even if it is honossexual manh" crowd?

>>18969335
Jesus was the only perfect human,dont forget he was literally God in the flesh so he cant sin.

>>18969844
What's the point of Jesus' life if he was unable to sin? What's the point of Satan's temptation? Jesus is God for Christianity, yes, but he was also a man. He absolutely COULD sin. But he DIDN'T.

>>18969969

Jesus died for the sins of mankind. If we accept Him into our heart and follow his teachings our sins can be forgiven. Humans will sin, we cannot avoid it. Only through Christ can our sins be washed away.

>>18969978
OK. None of that is relevant to what I was talking about.

>>18969984
See >>18969844

Or word your questions better. I'm not sure what specifically you're asking about.

>>18969996
I wasn't asking. I was refuting. In Christianity, Jesus is fully God AND fully man. Jesus has the free will every man does. Jesus most certainly could have sinned. Jesus most certainly never did.

To say that Jesus CAN'T sin - that he was UNABLE to do so - removes the point of the existence of Jesus.

>>18970006

How does it remove the point of his existence?

>>18970020
The fact that God the Son is both fully God and fully Man allows the bridge of mercy Jesus offers. That God as Jesus existed just as human as you or I allows the experience, the love, that brings about forgiveness. A forgiveness and sacrifice God the Father won't offer as He is Just.

That perfect Justice is what necessitates that Jesus have the free will to sin. Jesus has to be able to CHOOSE to forgive, or the forgiveness is pointless. Jesus received spite and torture, and still He CHOSE to forgive and save humanity.

Take away that choice, and you take away Jesus. You're left with a robot and a nonsense story of "God made God so God could kill God to satisfy God" that atheists mock.

>>18969532
That's stupid.

>>18969335
Hell isn't a Biblical concept. If you're going by the Bible, there's no such place as an afterlife of eternal torment. In fact there's really no such place as Heaven either, as in a place of eternal bliss. According to the Bible, before Jesus died for our sins, everybody who died was just dead. No afterlife, they were just in the ground, dead. When Jesus died for our sins, he allowed our souls to instead join him (God) in heaven where we wait until the second coming of Jesus aka Armageddon aka the end of the world, so that all the Revelations shit can happen and God can defeat Satan and the earth can be destroyed so God can create a new earth that is paradise just like the original garden of eden, and all the dead will rise again, if your soul went to heaven it will come back into your physical body and your physical body will be restored and you will live forever on the new earth, which I guess is similar to the modern concept of heaven, but yeah......the bullshit that the vast majority of Christians believe today has no real basis in the Bible, it's a mix of ideas from other sources and misinterpretation of the Bible due to shitty translations, as well as cultural ideas that just sort of evolved over time.

This is legit. I'm not some /x/fag who thinks he knows a bunch of conspiracy illuminati shit that nobody else does, this is all stuff I learned through years of Biblical research, and it's actually all really easy to see if you read the Bible in it's more literal translations.

He'll was made up an has nothing to do with Christianity.

>>18970042
Not the other anon but Jesus could have sinned but his Godhood was stronger than his fleshly body. That's what made him fully man and fully God. The whole point of the devil tempting him was to show the attributes of both God and Satan and giving an example of how if you surrender to God, even the flesh can't win. God's love for us overcomes and is stronger than all fleshly desires and temptations yet showing how Satan will go even as far to take out the only hope for mankind getting to heaven. Jesus sinning would show that the devil is sovereign over the world. But as clearly shown in Job, Satan always has to get his actions approved by God. God let's these things happen because he knows he can make it into good of we let him work

>>18970050
Actually before Jesus redeemed us, everyone who followed the law and believed in God went to Paradise which is essentially a waiting room in Hell. That's how the rich man in Jesus' parable was able to communicate to the poor man. When Jesus died for those 3 days he carried up all of those waiting into heaven. God absolutely cannot have sin in heaven so he had to wait until the perfect sacrifice died and covered sin up. The old testament way of sacrificing was a temporary covering to protect them from the lake of fire but it wasn't enough to get into Heaven. A good analogy of this idea is when the plagues were happening in Exodus and they were instructed to poor blood over the posts of their doors to protect them from the Angel of death.

>>18970106
>Jesus could have sinned but his Godhood was stronger than his fleshly body
>>18970006
>Jesus most certainly could have sinned. Jesus most certainly never did.
I'm glad you agree.

>>18970136
Mel Gibson had said publicly that he intended to make a sequel to The Passion, about when the Lord Jesus descended to the dead

File: SOMUCH.jpg (64KB, 625x418px) Image search: [Google]

64KB, 625x418px

>>18969335

>>18970220
Those kind of movies will never happen. It will take away the fear that hell intended to push.

Just like there will be no movie about Lucifer raising rebellion in heaven. Though such movies would be awesome.
Jewish influence, and catholic for that matter, will prevent that.

Instead we'll have to do with fake 'satanly' gigs, bringing horror like hur possessed people who need the church to save them from the devil. Although Christians claim those are satan's movies, they are truly Christianic movies. (Which in turn, once again clearly shows us who the Devil really is, religion itself )

Satanic movies are more like '200 shades of Grey', 'Sausage Party, 'The Mummy', 'Traceformers 5', 'Ivanka and her naughty daddy home alone -xxx rated' and of course 'Beauty is the Beast'. You know, movies everyone can relate to and loves to watch, sometimes with their own kids.

Dante did it and failed, Milton did it and failed. Christianity learned a lesson afterall. The biggest hero is Lucifer after all, the only one in the bible people can relate to. The only one who deserves God's forgiveness, but sadly simple isn't acknowledged by God, the stubborn parent who is too proud to see what being a child really means.

>>18969371
Reminder that when Jesus says "My God, my God, why have you abandoned me?", he's quoting the beginning of Psalm 22.

File: med_1405695243_image.jpg (52KB, 640x480px) Image search: [Google]

52KB, 640x480px

>>18970464
Nope, he was revealing MTV.

>>18970454
>Those kind of movies will never happen. It will take away the fear that hell intended to push.
LOL

The movie companies couldn't care less about "the fear." Convince them that there's good money in the concept, and the movie will be playing in your theater next week.

>>18970710
Don't forget the masses are suppose to fear and media is used as a useful propaganda tool for it.

In movies evil looses, whilst in reality the humble never win.

>>18970454
>the biggest hero is Lucifer
>the biggest hero is the faggot that got buttfucked by Michael and thrown out of Heaven because he was throwing a tantrum

Lucifer never gave nothing to humanity
The only thing he gave them was the chance to commit the original sin
Human already had free will and because of that they chose to sin and learn evil

But muh revisionism am i right?
Humans lived in perfect harmony with God and Nature with no pain and sufference
But i guess being able of getting buttfucked by a dog is worth the sufference of the original sin, right retard?

>>18970464
I was wondering if someone would mention this. People go off on weird tangents about this verse, but it's clear that it is saying the prophecy of the psalm was completed. Even down to the soldiers gambling for the robe herod gave him.

>>18969335
he confusing part where it gets hard to understand is that Jesus was fully man and God. when he assumed humantities sin on, literally seconds before death, they didn't become his own sin. he was able to take everyone else's sin because he was acting as a sacrifice, like a lamb. because of those sins, he was sent to hell. he battled with the devil for those 3 days. but because he himself never committed a sin, he could not lawfully be dead or in hell for that matter. he left humanities sin in hell and resurrected. the ressurection is crucial because he becomes the gate to life after sin and then life after death. so all he asks is that we acknowledge who he was, what he did, and how he did it and then feel guilt and remorse for what we have done. when that is done, our sins are forgiven and therefore cannot possibly go to hell. of course when becoming a Christian, your life is truly changed, and you begin to try your best to become a good person and learn more about it. Christianity is much deeper than the 3rd grade level bible stories that are told in our churches. the workings of God is something man cannot fathom.

>>18970824
Where the hell did the "battle the devil in hell for 3 days come from"?

File: image.jpg (658KB, 4032x3024px) Image search: [Google]

658KB, 4032x3024px

>>18970828
because the wage of sin is death. to free our sins he had to die a sinners death and suffer the sinners punishment, which is eternal damnation. which he did. he went to hell. because he was perfect HIMSELF, death couldn't hold him, so he was able to defeat Satan and rise again

File: skeletor_saves.jpg (553KB, 1280x1678px) Image search: [Google]

553KB, 1280x1678px

OP here, so what if Jesus actually went to hell because of his last sin up the cross? Coming back 3 days later could actually mean that he got an agreement with Satan himself, so he could consolidate Christianism and thus sending the whole world spiralling the shit down for the next 2000+ years?

>>18970136
No, the parable was something to teach the men a lesson. The dead turn to dust and know nothing. You just sleep until the resurrection.

>>18970042
Personally I don't believe in the trinity. God is one and has a begotten son.

>>18970834
eternal damnation isn't possible. Those who do not get that lives saved won't get access to the tree of eternal life. What they will get is the second death. Which is a permanent thing, thus eternal.

>>18971279
>Personally I don't believe in the trinity. God is one and has a begotten son.

In which case would you still agree that Jesus was capable of sin, but didn't? For you, was Jesus "just a man" then, or some third category of Son of God?

>>18969335
Jesus didn't sin. He was tempted by Satan, but he never sinned, nor did he lose faith. He was obedient to God's will always.

>>18971300
He had human nature but divine soul.

>>18971300
Well, if he is begotten, and the only one, then he must share divine qualities as his Father.

>>18971300
I just can't accept the trinity because:

1) Jesus knows less than his father about his return
2) The head of Christ is God
3) He came down from heaven and was the only one to go to Heaven
4) He went back to his Father in heaven
5) God appeared several times in the skies expressing "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."
6) And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.

I just cannot accept them being the same.

Just how can you convince a Judean or Israelite with the trinity if he has this to go by? https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+13

>>18971341
7) He is the right hand of God
8) All authority was given to him over earth by God
9) Hear, O Israel, your God is one God and there is none else. Love your God with all your heart and soul and might.

>>18971350
I mean earth and heaven.***

Think about it; if he was God, then he wouldn't have needed to give himself all authority.

>>18971354
Also, there needed to be a spotless and perfect lamb as sacrifice for our sins. If he was God and he would sacrifice himself for himself, than he wouldn't have been able to accept himself for he was dead.

The Father needs to accept the offering of something else, namely his only begotten Son as the bible states.

I personally think the trinity is a trick the make you understand less of it, and to keep people from accepting it was his only begotten son.

>>18971309
>>18971315
>>18971341
Wow. Three responses, and not one actually responded to my question. If any of these was from non-trinity anon, could you answer please?

>would you still agree that Jesus was capable of sin, but didn't?

>>18971300
I am not sure. I don't remember a thing in the bible that suggested he was capable of not sinning. I lean towards no. Since he was begotten and God his own son.

Satan and angels however were:
http://biblehub.com/ezekiel/28-15.htm

I think there might be the difference: Created vs Begotten.

>>18969844
he murdered a bird as a child

>>18971566
To add on this, I am now sure he can't because he was the word of God made flesh.

>>18971574
So for you, Jesus had no choice in his actions. He was a robot of salvation.

>>18971588

I don't think he can, because he is born of God. God is holy and cannot sin.

>>18969528

I know you're a total cunt fuckup, but some people actually like helping others without any reward.

>>18970803

>Michael mad he is an inferior angel forced to shill for God

Hey man, at least he wrote you as the winner, right?

His words mean a lot these days to very beautiful and important people... right?

;^}

>>18971634
Then there is no sacrifice, no forgiveness. You turn Jesus from a Begotten Son into a sock-puppet.

>>18971663
So then, is God also a robot then because he cannot sin?

File: TheDarkApoth2.jpg (366KB, 1326x854px) Image search: [Google]

366KB, 1326x854px

>>18969335
>Jesus sinned just before he died, doesn't that mean that he's in hell?

Jesus is a Divine King - he has Divine Sovereign Immunity - "unobtanium." It's not possible for Jesus (whomever he actually was) to go to hell under any circumstances.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz_p7GRsUAs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdGZilkhXvY

>>18969532
Using "My God" in that context is swearing. No, he was talking to God.

>>18969844
He committed the sin of wrath when he whipped the money changers and threw over their tables.

>>18969978
Yes, only Jesus can forgive the sins that God designed us to have.

File: 1490480662037.png (164KB, 388x386px) Image search: [Google]

164KB, 388x386px

>>18969528
>Jesus
>Socialist
Did you even read the bible famo?

File: 1485294734272.jpg (35KB, 376x395px) Image search: [Google]

35KB, 376x395px

This thread makes me think people dont actually read the Bible itself and just read sketchy articles on the internet about it.

>>18970828
Extended universe. When the Council bought up the rights at Nicea they reset the canon and everything in the extended universe was excluded.

>>18971519
>trying to frame a 2 millennium old debate with no real answer as a "yes or no" question

>>18971876
righteous anger over blasphemy and misuse of holy ground is not wrath

Question: What do you think of law keeping Christians?

>>18971807
God is no robot, but I would agree there are things God cannot do because of His Just nature. Otherwise, you get the atheist question: why doesn't God just forgive everyone if He is merciful? So in that sense I would say God does not have free will as a human does.

>>18971910
The answer IS a simple yes or no. Reaching one of those conclusions is very hard, though.

Jesus told me it is okay to be gay. He told in a dream, so God must be real. He also told me not to be ashamed anymore. How could He know?

>>18970962
Jesus went to preach to those who were sleeping, maybe He really went to hell. He was crucified with our sins, maybe coming back 3 days later shows that He beat the devil. Maybe and just maybe that's why He said what He said, maybe that's how it felt after being "deglorified".
But who knows, right?

>>18972063
It is ok, anon. Love is love and nowadays this should not be reason for a scandal. You should be happy because, after all, you can love and be loved by another human being.
God is love.

>>1896933
Jesus has a bible story where he killed an entire room of people because they didn't believe he was the son of god. Or you could say that God killed them.

>>18972117
Where? In apocrypha?

>>18969532
When he why god why god has quoting old T scripture talking about what was going on now.

>>18972133
It's a story a priest told me in church actually.

>>18972238
disinfo. secret satanic shill.

>>18972238
>>18972245
It's an actual story, as a matter of fact. It's not in the Bible, I'm not sure if it's in the apocrypha or where it comes from, but it was from his childihood, supposedly a bunch of other kids start mocking him about the idea that he's divine and so he just gives them the evil eye and strikes them all dead.

I can see why most of the gospel authors weren't especially keen to include that one.

>>18969335
FOR FUCKS SAKE YOU GODDAMN AUTISTS HELL DOESNT FUCKING EXIST IT WAS A CATHLICKIKE CONTROL SCHEME

>>18972343
Well, I mean, Jesus is a myth and there is no god, if we want to get all technical

>>18970050
Mormon here. This sounds very accurate to what was described to me by missionaries.

>>18969335
Why do people ever believe that god invented some exchange rate of suffering to sins like he's not even interested in us recognizing and growing, as long as someone fucking suffers it's cool. Here i'll just send a totally different person to do all the suffering. I'm so nice.

The religious are retarded.

>>18972357
Meh.
According to Christianity every souls goes to Hades and there will wait for the judgment of God.
People that did not know God will have the chance of repent by serving for 1000 years in the millenium kingdom.

File: IQDk675.jpg (21KB, 480x390px) Image search: [Google]

21KB, 480x390px

Yes, he's been there FOR 3DAYS, and then he rosed again,


that's the right and the quick answer,

the fucking atheist here just fucked this thread all up,

you fucking atheist why can't you shut the fuck up, yes we know you don't believe in it, why even bother shit every thread about it?
If He didn't exist and he's just a fucking fairy tale then why the fuck do you waste your damn time
bringing cancer to every thread that talks a bout the "fairy talees" that your ignorant monkeys want to believe?

just goes to show that
A. God Existed
B. You fucking monkeys Hated him
C. IS IGNORANT BURGERHEAD

>>18974649


If Jesus was Only God, then Jesus's life and his teachings, not to mention God's promises back then would all be lies and nothing but a waste.


If He's only a Human just like the rest of us,
Then why even bother believing a lunatic that says that He is the Christ...


It's either he's a lunatic or truth

He died Just like a human
He was born Like a human flesh would be born
He eats like a man
WE can touch him, ( his disciples, people back then)
He walked to the earth
The Romans saw him
Historically
Biblically


on the God side
Miracles
Teachings
He ROSED again from the dead

and the last thing that would complete the package is he ASCENDED FULL BODY On heaven, just to return like as he was ascended

File: 1493628465326.jpg (41KB, 540x529px) Image search: [Google]

41KB, 540x529px

moderate Christian here.
well, religious text always get manipulated for benefit a minority on top, so bible have a lot of convenient stuffs for get followers over the time in the past. now in the case of Christianism have deep reforms for just get use in family construction. unfortunate the same out of date text still get used in the bible, but are just that, text. a good modern good Christian don’t take them literally in this days.

btw, mi interpretation of new Christians, i just take it like karma accumulation. so, if you are bad, that thing will stick with you no matter what you do. And eventually will kick you in the nuts.