Occult & Magic General: I'm lost without this thread edition

Humpty bumpty sat on a wall,
Humpty bumpty had a great fall,
bumty bumped the thread
and all of the pieces came together, my friend

>>18939685
One of the stars in the Dragon's Spine (Psi) hosts planets.

Interestingly, Thuban itself does not, counter to claims about reptilians.

>tfw Thuban and Al Tais are dying

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I'm here, down to chat about whatevs.

>>18939685
Hello all. Just want to say I picked up Book of Thoth lately and it's revolutionizing the entire way I use and view the tarot

Can anyone tell me how is reality subjective and not objective?

I have always thought about how truth is homogeneus.

Imagine this:

>A group of people see a plane
>They say "hey it's a plane"
>Another group of people see a plane in the amazon jungle
>They say "It's a huge bird of iron, it meanse that we have to sacrifice our virgins"

But the truth is that this bird of iron is actually a fucking plane, and if we tell these guys that what they see is in fact a plane and tell them how it works, they will probably think about it the next time they see one.

So if there's enough info about things, they may have a better reasoning and come to a truth, which is the same for everybody.

>>18940000
How is this related to magic?

>>18939999
That's the point.

>>18940006
^^^

>>18939999
>9999
>Book of Thoth
>revolutionizing the entire way I use and view the tarot

Quads of truth.

>>18940006
>>18940007
I think he's trying to argue against magick, calling it subjective. He seems pro-science/technology (knowledge of the plane) as he states
>better reasoning and come to a truth
Believing science to be more objective.

>>18940000
>0000
But he sloppily wastes his quads on such tomfoolery. Pay him no mind.

>>18940026
Well that's an incredibly facile and naive epistemological and ontological basis.
Good for him.

>>18939992
Sup?

>>18940006
>>18940026
I'm trying to change my mind about it.

It might be a scientific way of thinking, but it's the only one that I have been exposed to.

I'm sorry for wasting your time, but I would aprecciate a book to read about it, or maybe give me a counter-example.

Thanks

And thanks kek for the 0000

>>18940039
From Crowley's Magick in Theory and Practice, Definitions and Axioms:

>12) Man is ignorant of the nature of his own being and powers. Even his idea of his limitations is based on experience of the past, and every step in his progress extends his empire. There is therefore no reason to assign theoretical limits to what he may be, or what he may do.
>(Illustration: A generation ago it was supposed theoretically impossible that man should ever know the composition of the fixed stars. It is known that our senses are adapted to receive only a fraction of the possible rates of vibration.Modern instruments have enabled us to detect some of these supra-sensibles by indirect methods, and even to use their peculiar qualities in the service of man, as in the case of the rays of Hertz and Roentgen. As Tyndall said, man might at any moment learn to percieve and utilize vibrations of all concievable and inconcievable kinds. The question of Magick is a question of discovering and employing hitherto unknown forces in nature. We know that they exist, and we cannot doubt the possibility of mental or physical instruments capable of bringing us into relation with them.)

>>18940045
>>18940039
In short, science and magick are not mutually exclusive, and are both subject to massive revision as evidence indicates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sI8ohPTzIE

>>18940037
Hey.

>>18940039
See
>>18940045

But I'll give you counter-example. Science has many branches - some, harder sciences, others, softer/more theoretical. There are parts of science that are pure conjecture and have been (yet) unproven.

Magick has many branches too - some paths being tougher/others a little easier to digest. Some practices are grounded in fact with raw details, some are moreso ideas that are more philosophical or ethereal.

So, tell me, when faced with an unparalleled, uncanny nature between these two ideologies - which is more "correct"? Why cannot we accept concepts from BOTH?

Ape said it more succinctly here (better than I)
>>18940056
As I'm
>>18940069

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>>18939992
what's your take on natures design of the male reproductive organ? why did everyone get a magic mushroom to play with?

Is there a difference between "etheric body" and "astral body/ B.O.L?" If so, what ? thanks

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Bump.

>>18940111
None.

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Any of you guys recognize this drawing and can point me towards the original? Is this Apis?

>>18940026
Ah.
>>18940039
Something I've been thinking about lately is maybe all the paranormal stuff is just extra-dimensional energy, and is interpreted subjectively, some people see angels, others see aliens, others see witches. And that's why there's so much alien activity around haunted sights like strange lights. Just an idea.

>>18940116
Thanks. That damn Dion is confusing me again. She made me question everything I thought I knew, then realize most of it was more or less correct to begin with. What. A. Mind. Fuck

>>18940069
>>18940045
I was writing something, then deleted it because I realized that once reality change, it is no more objective since it may be completely different to what we may know about reality some years ago.

That clears some doubts I think. thanks.

>>18940110
You wanna play with MY magic mushroom bebe? ;^)

Lel, jk. Nature is pretty brilliant. "Hose"-like structures are perfect for dispersion. Fractals are nature's way of conserving space (like trees, rivers, veins, etc.)

>>18940199
No need to bump Anon - ask, talk, and discuss magic or the occult!

/x/ is slow enough that you don't need to be very bump heavy. What topic(s) would you like to discuss?

>>18940230
Okay cool, I just talked about reality as objective, now I would like to discuss some more since I'm kind of excited in learning about the occult.

Since I was a kid, I always liked to go to debate championships and I won a lot, this was because I always thought that logic was the best way to give the best solution to things.

Now I think I'm wrong in almost everything, and that my pill is just the blue pill about the (now I think I know) subjective reality, so I'm going to ask to all of you, warlocks and mages of the kingdom of occult knowledge, Is logic really the only and best way to get to a better thinking? To a consensus that would make humanity and onelself become the best part of him?

Also, is Lucifer a cool guy?

These are my doubts, I'm sorry if I'm not expressing myself correctly in English.

>>18939957
Is thuban the one that previously occupied the pole star position or am I misremembering your graphic

>>18940297
Yes.

>>18940110
>everyone
Not exactly but it's fine

I was just reading that evolutionary biologists have determined that we evolved mushroom heads because they are more likely to scoop another man's cum out of the vaginal canal, and thus advantageous for seed spreading

>>18940279
>Is logic really the only and best way to get to a better thinking?
Crowley forced his students to learn formal logic, teaching them himself if necessary, and was working on problems of formal logic.

I highly recommend "Godel, Escher, Bach: Eternal Golden Braid". Set theory.

>>18940279
>Is logic really the only and best way to get to a better thinking?
What makes you think that we don't use logic?

>is Lucifer a cool guy?
Not all occultists follow Lucifer or the LHP

>>18940303
In that case I share your feels re:dying old stars

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>>18939685
I have a few questions about Orobas I'd like answered please.

Is he as trustworthy as they say?

Can he do more than tell you the past and future?

What exactly do I give him in return for his aid?

Will he take my soul?

I also don't know that much about magick, In fact the only reason I'm considering summoning Orobas is to do a one time thing. Is this a stupid idea?

>>18940279
Just start meditating

>>18940323
>I have a few questions about Orobas I'd like answered please.
Quit fucking spamming, how's that for a fuckin' answer.

>>18940323
Vaguely in the vein I'm also curious if anyone has personal experience with what was given in exchange for assistance of this type. Like has anyone had experience with a sort of "I made a deal but didn't realize the price would be [x]" type situation? Curious about the mechanics

>>18940358
If you're desperate, why does any of that matter?

SHIT OR GET OFF THE POT FAGGOT

>>18940346
>start a bunch of different threads
>intentionally spread my cancer to a shitload of other ones
>got a million answers, as well as answers in other threads about the same topic

Spam, you say?

>>18940346
I have yet to see you give one useful answer to a simple question.

Is there a good book in thus collection that teaches numerology? I'm kind of new to this, but have always been keen on mathematics, I just wanted to lean away from some of the "new age-y" books on the subject and find some real occult shit.

>>18940120
Looks like Satan.

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>>18940120
I'm not sure what the source is, but looks like a Cheyenne Buffalo Mask.
Shamanic in nature maybe?
pic related

So, let me see if I understand this right, the universe is a freaky sex thing between consciousness and manifestation which are actually one and the same and both, not and neither at the same time?

I can actually deal with that.

>>18940358
I'm not suuuuper desperate. Both pragmatically and academically interested tho. I'm not the Orobas guy, if that matters lol, just looking for personal reports

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>>18940450
I can see that. It's either like a bull-headed human (Apis perhaps because of the red disk on the right? Moloch?), generic demon with horns or maybe what you suggested.. that would fit as well. I'm still looking for the source of the picture but so far no luck.

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>>18940468
It reminds me of woodcuts and watercolors that used to be painted of various indigenous North Americans in the 1700s-1800's.
Not sure if this picture is from that era, but it looks really similar to what I'm trying to describe.
I'm looking too to see if I can find it for you.

>>18940008
>939999 no less

>>18940475
That would be amazing! Thank you for trying.

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>>18940485
No problem.
Always find lots of cool stuff when I'm looking for something completely different.
So, I'll take this occasion to also refresh my pic files.

>>18939685
solomo's ring in action
http://s-f-walker.org.uk/pubsebooks/pdfs/Konrad_Lorenz_King_Solomon%27s_Ring.pdf

>>18940481
>93
Ah! I totally spaced it! Forgive me ;__;

>>18940485
This is a tough one.
I'm not having any luck.
I'm gonna give it a break for a bit and try to come up with new search terms.

>>18940609
Yes, it unfortunately is. I posted it also on REDDIT and shared it with friends with no success yet but I appreciate your attempt. The picture might be a small part of a much bigger picture and that's why it's so hard to recognize or track?

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Promised someone a script in exchange for a book.
Almost forgot...
If it calls for 3 x Perambulation you say the text in that section 3 x too.
Names of power were changed out from Egyptian to Mayombe.

(Tap the ground in front of the Firma 3 x)
Sala Malekun, Malekun Sala.
I enter to see him.
(Place the skull on top of it's wax Firma.)

(Purification with Florida Water clockwise 3 x around the skull)
Your purification is the purification of Lucero Mundo.
Your purification is the purification of Watariamba.
Your purification is the purification of Zarabanda.
I have fastened for you your head to your bones before Tierra Tiembla.
Tiempo Viejo is the one purifying him entirely as his task.

(Purification with Florida Water clockwise 3 x around the skull)
Your purification is the purification of Lucero Mundo.
Your purification is the purification of Watariamba.
Your purification is the purification of Zarabanda.
Take the water that is in the red eyes of Siete Rayos.
Tiempo VIejo is the one purifying him entirely as his task.

(Purification with Salt clockwise 3 x around the skull)
I offer you the salt, for your mouth to be open.
Oh _____! May you taste it in front of the Firma.
This salt is as the spittle of Zarabanda.
This salt is the whole of the heart of Zarabanda.
Your mouth is washed.
The salt is the purification of the children of Zarabanda.

continued...

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>>18940660
(Consecration with Bay Leaves, Thyme, Camphor, Rosemary, Black Pepper 3 x around the skull)
You are washed, Lucero Mundo is washed.
You are washed, Watariamba is washed.
You are washed, Zarabanda is washed.
You are washed, established, between them
Your mouth is the mouth of a milk calf, you who are in the lap of your mother Madre Aqua, on the day it is born.

(Consecration with incense 3 x around the skull)
You are censed, Lucero Mundo is censed.
You are censed, Watariamba is censed.
You are censed, Zarabanda is censed.
Your censing is your Ndoki, you are censed, you are censed,
You are censed, established, between your brothers the gods,
Your head is censed, your speech is censed, purified.

(Lighting of the incense)
Receive my offering, may the scent reach you.

(Birthing of the spirit into the skull)
(Face the skull with incense)
He has struck me.
(Turn away from the skull with incense)
He has come down to me.
(Prostrate with incese forward and skull behind you)
Ashe, Zarabanda.
Ashe, Zarabanda.
Ashe, Zarabanda.

I have seen my father in his every outline.
I will never escape him.
The snares of Watariamba have caught me.
I have seen my father in his every outline.
Mark my father for me.
Create my father for me.
Make the likeness of him for me.
Who is to make a likeness of him for me?
Only I.

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>>18940663
(Face the skull, take it up in your right hand, and press it's mouth with the little finger of your left hand)
I have come as your embracer, child of Zarabanda.
I have pressed your mouth for you, I am your child who you love.

Who are those who approach?
Who is it striking me?
Who is it forcing my hand?
Who is it striking your child?
Who protects those who are striking your child, Zarabanda?

Oh _____! I have come as your embracer, I have pressed your mouth for you.
I am your child whom you love, I have opened your mouth for you.
The one who loves him in place of his mother, weeping for him.
The one who has opened your mouth: I have balanced your mouth and bones for you

(Replace skull on tray, take up Bull Wand and tap top of head of skull 3 x)
Oh _____! I have opened your mouth for you with the wand of Zarabanda.
Oh _____! I have opened your mouth for you with the wand of Zarabanda.
Oh _____! I have opened your mouth for you with the wand of Zarabanda.


Oh ______! I have pressed your mouth to your bones for you
_______, for you I have raised Centella Ndoki over you,
whom Zarabanda did take as his Great in Power
whom Siete Rayos did take as his Great in Power
- she has emerged from your head.
She has brought you all gods, so you may save them and make them live
You have come into being in your strength, and arisen as a king.
You have not died, Zarabanda has opened your mouth for you.
He opens your eyes for you.
How pleasing is your mouth.
I have measured your bones for you.
I make your divided jaws firm for you.
The Opening of the Mouth is finished.

Now go announce that shit to the world like the badass that you are!
(And drink some water, because your throat is gonna hurt like hell from all that salt, and smoke, and talking, and perambulating.)

Thank you PaloChan

Hey, can I get some advice?

I'm thinking of making myself a dream satchel to induce some prophetic dreams, I'm thinking of using an amethyst, some dried rose petals, maybe some salt, and a bay leaf. Anything else I should include, or does that sound solid as is?

>>18940764
Blue lotus is a good tea for this

>>18940804
I've heard of that! I've also heard peppermint is good for dreaming too.

>>18940764
Nutmeg.
A small black magnet like you can get off of the back of some fridge magnets (to draw something to you.)
Patchouli
Cedar
Cinnamon stick
Celery
Lemon Grass
Poppy seeds
Rosemary

>>18940323
>>>/mlp/

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>>18940764
Get a cheap eyeliner pencil and crumble some of it in there.

>>18940881
Thank you Palo-chan! Will be experimenting for the best combination.

>>18939685
Today when I went to work there was a dead crow near the entrance. It's head was cut off and it's body, perhaps just the left or right side , lay near it. Maybe an animal killed it or it struck the wall with tremendous force. Still, I worry that more sinister forces are at work.

Favorite anointing oil recipe?

>>18940907
Huh. I had one stare at me from feet away perched on the median of the 6 lane interstate, it kept jumping up, swooping over my car, and then perching, and staring.

>>18940981
It wouldn't have been super weird except i drive that way every week and they're usually pretty wary of traffic. It was stop and go tho, like unusually congested, so maybe that's why it uncharacteristically gave so little of a shit about all the cars

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>>18940120
It's just a photoshop of this senpai.

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I've seen Ape of Thoth post a picture with a quote from CG Jung where he says that spiritualism is a better explanation of archetypes than materialism, does anybody have that picture? I'd like to look into the context of that quote because my readings of him seem to point in the complete other direction.

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>>18941132
>He doesn't know about the archives!

>>18940981
Crows can tell human faces apart or so radiolab tells me.

>>18941148
What the fuck am I supposed to do, pour through these generals until I find it? I'd rather just request the picture here because Ape is active in these threads and he obviously has it.

>>18941132
To be more specific it was someone else quoting Jung and contextualizing him as someone who believes in spiritualism over the "psychological model".

>>18941163
Jesus Christ kid, that image shouldn't be hard to find! Do you expect to be spoonfed your entire life?

>>18941169
Do you know of any direct sources of Jung expressing this belief? What I've taken from him is that he seems to believe that it's a deeply internal un-quantifiable, yet material experience

>>18941213
Are you fucking retarded or something? I'm not asking you to spoonfeed me, I'm requesting a picture from a trip that frequents this general. In fact, I'm not asking you anything, you can fuck right off.

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>>18940045
> listening to anything that degenerate pedo faggot has to offer

Manly P Hall is the true occultist

>>18941241
I know of the image you're speaking about. I might even have it. The one where it states that the spirits are quite real?

But you acted like an asshat. So, no, you fuck off.

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>>18941241
Source:
https://books.google.com/books?id=G0TLCQAAQBAJ&pg=PA431&lpg=PA431&dq=%22i+once+discussed+the+proof+of+identity+for+a+long+time+with+a+friend+of+william+james%22&source=bl&ots=UEGtxZCsO0&sig=vvZR4wzoN8SJ85oxTiGw9fyWLxE&hl=en&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwinhJLwyO3SAhULxYMKHbdxA_kQ6AEIGjAA#v=onepage&q=%22i%20once%20discussed%20the%20proof%20of%20identity%20for%20a%20long%20time%20with%20a%20friend%20of%20william%20james%22&f=false

>>18941163
I found it in like ten seconds, git gud.

>>18941070
Perfect! Thank you!

>>18941241
Have you read the red book? That's a pretty serious argument in favor of his spiritism

Can someone redpill me on Enochian magic? Where do I start, and why would I want to practice Enochian instead of basically anything else?

>>18941359
>red pill me on...
Don't do that here

And don't start with Enochian, there are already too many examples of people doing that wrong. Start with the basics of pentagram and hexagram rituals and work your way up

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Last thread I asked about two books:

-Chthonic Gnosis: Ludwig Klages and his Quest for the Pandaemonic All - Dr. Gunnar Alksnis
-The Benighted Path: Primeval Gnosis and the Monstrous Soul - Richard Gavin

Apparently they belong into a gnostic movement that considers the soul can be monstruous and so on.

Anybody can spill some beans?

>>18941739
>Theion Publishing
Trash.

>>18941830

Oh, more than the books themselves I am interested in the current, know anything?

Judaism

>>18941883
I know it's overpriced LHP trash.

I mean, if you can find me a historical Gnostic outfit that holds that the "soul" is monstrous, I'd LOVE to look at them.

>>18941890
Yes, what about it?

>>18941902

I'm interested because the unknown God is expected to be both marvelous and monstruous.

Calm your tits dude.

>>18941905
>the unknown God is expected to be both marvelous and monstruous.
Direct me to a Gnostic text which substantiates this.

>>18941913
>Direct me to a Gnostic text

What for? Are the experiences of gnostics of the past more valid than those of gnostics of the present?

I can direct you to a modern text in any case that substantiates this, because I hardly have experience with the older texts, but gnosticism is all about practice and leaving the texts alone, we are not dogmatic, but rather practical.

>>18941921
Sure thing, bud.

>>18941925

You speak as if it were a dead religion that forces itself to the dogmas of others. Gnosticism is practical. We seek experiences from which to attain gnosis.

In any case a modern text would be the book of the Ecclesia Mysteria.

>inb4 nooo, my walls of text know better

Shit Ape, you already know there were several traditions and they never agreed in many things.

>>18941937
>You speak as if it were a dead religion
Not at all, I speak of a living and recorded tradition you appear to be blissfully ignorant of.

>That enforces itself to the dogmas of others
Not particularly, but, oh look you co-opted me:
>Shit Ape, you already know there were several traditions and they never agreed in many things.
But the fact that you can't point to a single one of those several traditions to substantiate your claims is telling.

>Ecclesia Mysteria
>claims to be Sethite
>incorporates Barbeloites, says almost zero about classic Sethite cosmology/cosmogony

>We seek experiences from which to attain gnosis.
Most old Gnostic sects were initiatory and demanded study of their texts. Because, y'know, Gnosis writ large is a combined understanding of the mystical teachings in the scriptures plus phenomenological experience with them.

>we
I'm so glad you explained one of my claimed praxes to me without any coherent citation to historical documents in favor of editions from edgelord darque publishers.

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>>18941952
>a thelemite wants to shit talk the experiences of others
>doesn't know why gnostics change what they believe on in spite of knowing they go with what they experience
>laughs and shittalks others

>>18942007
>wants to shit talk the experiences of others
More like I'm looking for indication that you know what you're on about/can make some substantiation of your claims.

>why change
Direct experience but if you want to overturn the last couple thousand years of gnostic adumbration you'll need more than "muh feels".

Experience is on thing, but without comparing that experience against the historical founders of your system(s) you're doing little more than free association.

>>18942026
>I'm looking for indication

8 years full time experience as a spiritual seeker.

>>18942049
>8 years
>>18941921
>I hardly have experience with the older texts
It takes less than a month to read through the extant Gnostic literature.

>>18942063
>It takes less than a month to read through the extant Gnostic literature.

Yes, but if you read them and see failings with your own experience you keep what works and ignore the rest.

>>18940465

The gif is locked on bifrons if I'm not mistaken...

Says a lot.

>>18940660
>>18940663
>>18940673
Great shit, I'll dig out my old Cannibal Hymn insert if I can find the time and where I stuck it.

A book to manipulate unseen forces:

http://thelawdictionary.org/

>>18942290
T-thanks?

>>18940881
I used to eat about 2-4 tablespoons of nutmeg before bed, woke up incredibly stoned, all day. Like most of my bad habits it was incredibly toxic, and my tears actually began to become very acidic over time. I was also smoking reef on top of that and whatever else I got my hands on. Good times.

>>18940959
Abramelin oil
(Crowley/Mathers formula listed in the wiki)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abramelin_oil

>>18942294
>2017
>not rolling joints out of whatever fistfuls of leaves you gather from the Blood Acre

>>18941241
>a trip that frequents this thread
Yes, he frequents his own thread. Frequently.

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g'morning /omg/

>>18942292

Hey, don't knock it. File under: gemetrea...

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>>18942313
Good morning anon.

>>18941359
If you have to ask, you don't need to know.

>>18942313
Ave!

>>18942302
>This wasn't 2017
>Or even 2010


>2017
>recommending coleus
>NYS
>tfw driving to every plant-selling store in the greater upstate area
>and still no dice

>>18942487
Also,
>more like a Blood 12-Acre
>but who's counting?

Bump

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Has anyone practiced Kundalini? I'm very curious in applying that to my daily meditation and would like some guidance. I'm currently reading 2 in the MEGA folder to give me a head start. Any wise advice from anons?

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Hey Ape I found a nicer scan of the Grimorium Verum with the index, footnotes, scan of the cover and introduction for your library. You have the same version in your Grimoires folder as the one I initially found (actually you have two versions, but they're almost identical).

>>18942626
>Kundalini
Why would you want that POS thing?

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Chaosmagickkk

>>18942638
Post it.

>>18942639
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHVjs4aobqs

>>18942626
Not sure anon. I have that end goal ultimately, but I just been workin dat Hatha sheeit

>>18942640
(You)

What's with everybody asking about the Akasha lately? it's turning in to a meme. First there was a bunch of AP shit, now a bunch of this shit...getting the impression it's all the same person.

>>18942653
Hatha? quick rundown?

>>18940660
>>18940663
>>18940673

Palo, what exactly am I looking at here? You said this was changed from Egyptian to Mayombe? Is this originally an egyptian ritual that you've converted to use in Palo? Im pretty lacking in kemetic knowledge, did they also perform an "opening of the mouth" ritual?

>>18942662
http://www.the-equinox.org/vol1/no2/eqi02016.html

>>18942638

I tried, the nice version is 60 mb, I compressed it down to 18 and started losing the nice tables so I stopped because it hurt my little heart

>>18942684
I mean, it's not exactly a rundown on Hatha so much as the purpose of my implementation of it.

>>18942692

addendum, the version I had had a french and italian translation built in, without that it's 38 mb, compressed it's 10

>>18942692
Can you put it on a megaupload or something? I think they'd allow you to have 60 mb free

>>18942736
I'll come up with something when I get off work- especially if someone reminds me to do it

ISO someone to giggle with me that every time Venus shows up at her brightest as the morning star, a rash of Lucifer posts break out on /x/

So, my girlfriend is apparently pregnant. She is on birth control, and I kinda assume that I don't have many swimmers due to excessive and extended consumption of various toxins right up to the present.

I'm posting here because I did some pretty serious invoking beforehand and i'm wondering if perhaps this accounts for my apparent super-sperm, or if anyone else has had a similar experience/can lay some knowledge on me?
Thanks.

>>18942907

If my dad could make me your drugged up ass should have no problem birthing a child. Unless you're some kind of roid monkey or something you shouldn't be sterile

>>18942907
Maybe, maybe not.

I don't think any form of birth control is 100% reliable. Shit happens.

>>18942915
And penetrate 2 forms of birth control?

>>18941359

Tyson, enochian magick for beginners was okayish but very history heavy at times.

>>18942638
>>18942645

Uncompressed, just english. If you really want the french or italian text, lmk I guess

https://www.docdroid.net/fzhLPqV/grimorium-verum-joseph-h-peterson-1327english.pdf.html

>>18942655
People have been memeing about that since I was a teen. Pay it no mind.

If they're accessible, they're not getting unlocked by drugged out kiddos with zero yogic discipline.
>>18942675
>did they also perform an "opening of the mouth" ritual?
Yep, it's for a few purposes including the metaphorical and literal command for the dead to speak forth. See the Pyramid Texts of Unas plus whatever Palo was basing hers off of, don't recall off the top of my head.

Would joining the Order of Phosphorus grant me anything besides a lighter wallet and some edgy jewelry?

>>18942987
From what I have heard, it will grant you the elusive siddhi, known in the Western world as Autismo Maximo

>>18942971
>If they're accessible, they're not getting unlocked by drugged out kiddos with zero yogic discipline.

I've seen them accessed by drugged out kiddos with *some* yogic discipline

>>18942971
Do you know if the Pyramid Texts of Unas, refers to it as "opening of the mouth"? I guess Im curious how much kemeticism actually soaked down into the rest of ATR over time, interesting.

>>18941477
>And don't start with Enochian, there are already too many examples of people doing that wrong.

Yep.

>>18942924

Yeah, but if you can't handle Tyson...

What kinda shit do y'all do here? Been getting into magic lately. Bit of a Jew so I'm not willing to buy all this weird shit though.

>>18943184
Oh yeah? How's magick been so far?

>>18943184
>Bit of a Jew so I'm not willing to buy all this weird shit though.
If you're paying for anything but candles, you're doing something wrong.

I'm reconstructing traditional witchcraft to reform it for the urbanite.

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>>18943174
>Yeah, but if you can't handle Tyson...
Hey Satyr I added the rest of the Enochian Sloane MSS that Dirge has been working through.

>>18943241
what does that mean anon? I want to hear more about what you mean exactly by "reform it for the urbanite"

>>18943252
>>18943174
>Sloane MSS
Sloane 3198
Sloane 3191
Sloane 3188
Cotton Appendix XLVI, pt 1
Cotton Appendix XLVI, pt 2

http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/18860828/#18860828

>>18943255
It technically doesn't need reformed for the urbanite because we have the Grimoire of Arthur Gauntlet, a London cunning man.

>>18943255
Eschew materials in light of limited space and a distaste for consumer culture, adapt to what is available, and relate it to a place far removed from Nature.

>>18943260
17th century London was nothing like the modern reality. There are no stars, no plants, no land.

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>>18943265
>he lives in a sterile concrete slab for 5 miles in every direction

>>18943268
I don't but every field with a view of the mountains is being turned into cheap apartments. I'm preparing for the future you chose.

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>>18943272
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l4OEJ38aLY

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>>18943268
I haven't even got woods to go and be spooky in.

>>18943184
this
>>18943241
get into folk magic and make charms out of the shit in your pockets and your yard.

>>18943260
oh hey Ape, I asked a few threads ago but never got a response. You mentioned awhile back "waylandry" with bone, what exactly do you mean by this? I assume youre talking about some sort of cleromancy or sortilege with bones?

What kind of african village support divinatory systems are you interested in? that's kind of my bag, and if I can help lemme know.

>>18943252

Excellent.

>>18943174
>Yeah, but if you can't handle Tyson...

Beggars cant be choosers

>>18943260
Ape, fair warning, autissimo incoming. kind of my fault.

>>18943424
I mean, you can be a chooser now that I literally have the source texts.

>>18943433
He's not gonna ask here and I'm not gonna tell him to do the LBRP and call me in the morning.

Why do you guys have so many numbers in your names?

It's like naming myself Bear !12321fiasdjaw123124u134142u290oj124nauwhainkdwir8uy4781231231244181758919kcjaswuen!

>>18943468
LOL you saw the thread. I feel bad about the way things go sometimes when beginners ask for help on here, then I remember I asked a lot of questions when I was brand new to evocation and didn't get any 'fuck off's or anything...I guess ya just have to not be retarded in your question to get good answers, as a beginner.

>>18943352
>get into folk magic and make charms out of the shit in your pockets and your yard.
It's putting on the post-chaos hat and reforming (sub)urban folk into sabbatic craft that's the problem. The correspondences and substitutions don't write themselves. The big issue is making lore and symbolism relevant, else you end up trying to work the equivalent of chinese alchemy and have none of the cultural background that makes it understandable.

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>>18940000
One way to think about reality being subjective is through colour. This is typically illustrated with a thought experiment: "The way you see red could look completely different than the way I see red, and we would have no way of knowing." That's not to say it's likely that everybody experiences colours differently, but it begs the question of what colour really is. It's a subjective experience. You can't describe what the colour red is in a meaningful way.

On top of that, compare the way we perceive colours around us to that of a Mantis Shrimp. They have twelve colour receptors in their eyes, compared to us, who only have three - therefore, they are capable of perceiving a much wider range, colours we can't imagine. There's no reason that the range of colour we see is any more or less an objective view of reality than the Shrimp's. Truth can't be homogeneous if there are such basic differences in the way that we perceive reality.

>>18943489
>doesn't know what a trip code is

>>18943489
???

>>18943494
>The correspondences and substitutions don't write themselves
Takes a lot of time getting to know the plant spirits in your Garden(s).

Any Pyramid anons here this evening? Anyone see 50of60 lately?

>>18943514
What are plant spirits?

>>18943553
Exactly what it sounds like.

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>>18943553
The, um, spirits of the plants.

Jesus tittyfukken Christ people.

>>18943558
Not everyone's parents taught them about plant spirits and recipes for money spells involving battery acid and ephedrine.

>>18943569
>lithium ion battery strips
>"acid"

Plebs.
All of you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwCijARRSE8

>>18943468
>source texts

Cant wait to read though them. tyson bored me out of my mind. Dropped around 200 pages in. Thanks for pointing out

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>>18943590
Hope you can decipher Dee's batshit insane Greco-Latin!

Good luck; you'll need it.

>>18943597
Ape, any thoughts on the impact of opiate use/addiction on the astral senses, scrying ability, etc? I feel like it inhibited mine quite a bit (or perhaps they are just enhanced from my body repairing/resetting itself), but if I chip these days it does not have this effect. Then I read about people who were addicted throughout massive parts of their occult careers and did just fine.

Is it the physical effects of the drug, or maybe the secondary aspects that accompany heroin addiction in the modern western world, that may be having the inhibiting effect? Do you have personal experience with this? Thanks

>>18943352
>You mentioned awhile back "waylandry" with bone, what exactly do you mean by this? I assume youre talking about some sort of cleromancy or sortilege with bones?
Fuck, pardon.
Yes.
It's a simple toss.
The configuration of bones then becomes a sigil.
That sigil then is divined for intent.

Usually I don't need to go to the last step because the indications are clear (animals, body parts, etc.).

>>18943613
Bit of both.
Yes, I have experience, but not with addiction.
The only compounds I ever had anything approaching an addiction to was dexamp.
Opis are fine, just don't use it more than once every couple weeks. They're good for projecting low on the Tree but by the time you get to Hod you need a clear(ish) mind or the Unicorn won't talk.

>>18943597

By Nut, Just looking at the source texts causes trauma. This will take a while..

>>18943626
Thanks for the thoughtful and informed response. I will keep that in the back of my mind as I go along

What's the short-list of books that are insanely useful to have a hardcopy of? Most are worthless after the first read or don't require constant reference.

>I Ching
>Black brick

>>18943669
>Most are worthless after the first read
Not in my experience. I read all my books several times over, of course the ones that need constant referencing get it, but even others I reference from time to time. Never know whe you're gonna need to reference your library! I mean I'll even bust out a fictional piece to make a random point, as soon as the opportunity arises. You would be surprised how much it does.

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How do I gain the attention of MOLOCH?

>>18943669
Gnosis: Nature and History of Gnosticism
Gems
Holy Books (get it before it's 500$ http://concreat.org/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=9 )

>>18943694
Chanting his name should do the trick.

>>18943678
There are books I will read again, but very few I feel the need to have a hardcopy of to regularly reread, reference or write in.

>>18943697
>holy books
Welp, there goes $25+shipping+tip.

I want the Azoetia just so I can roll with the pages because sometimes I feel like that's the only way to pierce what's going on in there.

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>>18943694
Nice IR image of Saturn you have there.
If you want the attention of Moloch the answer is simple; ritually sacrifice a child to the Flame in veneration of the Pole Serpent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Htl3XWUhUOM

>>18943704
>>18943697
>$15 shipping
LAD

>>18943704
If you're talking needing a hardcopy for NOTES then you really really need to grab a copy of the Pyramid Texts:

https://www.amazon.com/Ancient-Egyptian-Pyramid-Texts/dp/1420929348

My copy of Kaulajnananirnaya is annotated to hell and back:

http://www.exoticindiaart.com/book/details/kaulajnananirnaya-esoteric-teachings-of-matsyendrapada-sadguru-of-yogini-kaula-school-in-tantra-tradition-NAD730/

https://youtu.be/rVFRSvG9kbw

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>>18943709
Here's your alternative:
https://www.abebooks.com/9780877286868/Holy-Books-Thelema-Aleister-Crowley-0877286868/plp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TTPGAy5H_E

>>18943717
Who is Frater O.M. whose name seems to be on a lot of A.'.A.'. publications?

>>18943717
Bit of both. There are books I have on hand because they're insanely useful and there are books I bother to pay for because writing in them is insanely useful.

>>18943725
I really need to get into occult book speculation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzQFj78Jzr0

>>18943725
Ape, there is a nigga telling me the consecration of the Cakes is not a secret, that it is done as/by the act of making them...I seem to remember you saying that there is indeed a higher grade secret to consecrating them?

>>18943728
Crowley's motto at 7=4.

https://youtu.be/20M3Jj7UnJc

>>18943745
Consecrating oil, but I imagine the same principles apply to all formulations of the Elixir.

https://youtu.be/XjAbLvonaOw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY2K3m02_XY

>>18943669
Buy a Paperwhite.

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>>18943782
I'm good on that. Unless it's a novel in a well-formatted epub, it's the worst option.

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>>18943797
Tell me about the ring.

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>>18943803
Deco, possibly nouveau, early 20th century, synthetic ruby, 18k white gold with gold clover motif. 15 dollars at a flea market.

Reminder that The Master is mandatory /omg/ viewing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw54-yDc6Jg

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>>18943797
>mfw reading The Black Toad on my kindle
>having to squint at some words because the scan quality is so bad

>>18943831
That movie looks like Stanislaw Ulam joined up with the spiritualists and stole Nikola Tesla's personal documents from the FBI vaults; interesting to say the least.

>>18943857
Think of a scanner blur as a superposition.

>>18943507
Are you the same anon who mentioned the crow episode of radiolab because I learned about these shrimp from another episode

>>18943797
Yeahhh I have a paperwhte and it's a literal nightmare for reading anything but a properly formatted ebook. I read chicken qaballah on pdf on that thing and it was the squintiest hell

>>18943893
Oddly though it made the content stick in my memory more, because it was such a Herculean effort to even read.

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>>18943893
>I read chicken qaballah

>>18943898
U wanna fite princess

Any ideas if "red" silene capensis is the same as normal African dream root? Thanks

>>18939685
>https://mega.nz/#F!AE5yjIqB!y7Vdxdb5pbNsi2O3zyq9KQ

I found a public domain book that deserves some study, Godfrey Selig's Secrets of the Psalms. It does not seem to be in the library yet. Another anon mentioned it in a thread about hoodoo, but it is eponymous kabalah. Most of the nomenclature reads like Victorian English transliterations of Kurdish.


So, does anyone else think this book fits in the library?

>>18943900
I never say no to a duel; my weapon of choice is passive-aggression.

>>18943905
Also, if the dries/ground Banisteriopsis Caapi Vine is active in its dries state, because they are selling it on amazon? Thanks.

>>18943917
Usually I've bought shredded vine.
Bouncing bear has caapi and I at least medium trust them

>>18943917
>>18943968
>The Master B. caapi
Really why not just use some Syrian Rue.

>>18944017
Because B caapi is easier for me to get?

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Alright, so what's the actual deal with occultism like Hermeticism, the Golden Dawn, the White Brotherhood, Fraternity of the Internal Light, Rosicrucianism, etc?

Are they all paths to the divine and the monad/God? Or are they Luciferian/Satanism in disguise meant to lure one into the depths of hell?

My father was a Rosicrucian and brought me up on the path and I've been delving into it further as I'm an adult, but I've been reading conflicting reports on it by religious folk that seem to think it's related to Lucifer/Satan.

Any clarification on this matter? And are the fraternities/orders I mentioned good paths to follow? This subject really interests me and I feel a connection to it, as if I have an internal understanding of the precepts and knowledge of the occult, and I want to delve deeper, but I don't want to tarnish my soul.

Thanks.

With autistic dedication, how fast can I learn to Astral Project? Which method is best for this endeavor?

>>18944030
If you are IN a Rosicrucian out fit and are genuinely concerned it's Luciferian, one I dunno where you'd get that idea save from shitty YT bible thumpers shitting their drawers at anything remotely more intricate than "godunit" and two why would you even be participating if you're that freaked?

Why can't you get clarification from your Local Body?

>>18944037
A full blown tactile OBE took me a little over a year to accomplish with daily hour plus yoga sessions.

>>18944046
I'm not part of the body, my father was when he was younger, I haven't been initiated but I'm interested.

I'm just wondering if general. I don't want to get sucked into worshipping lesser gods or performing rituals for lesser beings and offending/slighting the higher cosmic mind.

My pursuit is to attain union with my higher self and to grow closer to the all that is, not some satanic cult that emulates God.

So is Hermeticism/Rosicrucianism the right path for this or nah?

>>18944067
>not some satanic cult that emulates God.
What the hell does that even mean.
What group is your father associated with?
How comfortable are you with the formula of LVX from Hieroglyphic Monad by Dee?
What is a "lesser being" and what constitutes them being lesser?
Why do you assume there is a Singular Cosmic Mind?
What is "higher self"?

I can't answer a thing until you define your terms and clarify your position.

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>>18944067

Friend, if you're so easily swayed by loudmouths claiming that everything under the sun is the devil, then you should stay away from the occult altogether. Seeing as the serious works in it require conviction and dedication, you'll likely just be wasting your time and miring yourself in existential doubt. Just go to church and be cool with that..

So, reading Qutub, am I correct in assessing that the intent is to reify the Manifest as Otherness in order to unify with it? Considering that's verbatim what he said.

What isn't he ripping from?

>>18944078
Have you never heard of the link between occultism and satan? That's what I'm trying to get at.

Is occultism a link to God or Satan? I see it as potentially being both, depending on the path. My main question is whether or not this path is one of trickery (into Luciferianism/Satanism) or one of enlightenment into a higher order.

My father was associated with the Rosicrucian Order, not sure exactly which one, he has some material left over, but I have to find it. He's dead now.

I haven't read the Hieroglyphic Monad by Dee

A lesser being is a fraction of the whole/all and not the whole/all itself, thus it could be a higher being than ourselves, but not necessarily one of good will/intention.

By singular Cosmic Mind, I mean the All that Is, the God-head or Great/Divine Mind whence creation/existence stems from.

A higher self is the individuality of a soul, the unconscious mind and the connection to the Cosmic Mind, the unending aspect of the spirit which traverses the many incarnations.

>>18944092
Qtub is just Kabbalah.
>The hand moves.
>The pen moves.
>The Point is Still.

>>18944090
I am not easily swayed, it is merely a question of inquiry to people who know more about the occult than I. I don't have anyone IRL to guide me on such matters, as such I ask you.

I'm already studying it, and as I mentioned earlier, it rings true to my deeper understanding of the universe.

I'm not a church going person, I saw the folly in basic religion at the age of 6.

>>18944106
>Have you never heard of the link between occultism and satan?
No, not at all.
I'm only about thirty and lived through a Satanic panic in which D&D was gambling with your soul.

>Is occultism a link to God or Satan?
see
>>18944090

>A lesser being is a fraction of the whole/all and not the whole/all itself
If that's your definition then everyone around you must be some demon and you should run screaming from anything remotely mystical.

>All that Is, the God-head or Great/Divine Mind whence creation/existence stems from.
The highest Kabbalistic emanation of God is Ain, literally "Nothing". Then Ain Soph. Infinite Nothing, or Nothing Without End. Then Ain Soph Aur, or Infinite Boundless Light.

It's only once we get to Keter, and more honestly Chockmah, that we get any notion of Cosmic Mind.

> higher self is the individuality of a soul
Well you don't need occultism to be a special snowflake, you're already unique just like everyone else.

>the unending aspect of the spirit which traverses the many incarnations.
What gives you the impression that individual survives, or that some thing such as soul even exists?

>>18944132
I define the individual as being separate from the personality. The personality of the being dies with each incarnation, but the lessons and strive towards greater character and spirituality is what passes on to the individuality of the soul and connects to the unconscious/cosmic mind.

If the soul doesn't exist, what's the point of the occult or occult study? Is this not about the transmutation of the soul? Is there not a spiritual plane which manifests all lower planes and forms?

The higher self is the soul.

>>18944184
>If the soul doesn't exist, what's the point of the occult or occult study
I dunno.
Ask the Buddha.

>The higher self is the soul.
That's a pretty huge assumption.

I tell you what, just go run back to whatever Church your prefer and seek your refuge there.

That's obviously more palatable for you.

>>18944190
Lmao what, everything I mention is from occult study and you tell me to run away?

The fuck?

>>18944203
Shit or get off the pot, buddy.
I'm not here to clarify your ontological and epistemological precepts, or convince you of everything.

You appear to already have all the answers, and know what you want to do with them.

So do it.

>>18944203
You want to learn about the Mother of the Universe? We can meet her in the charnal grounds. She is the most radiant beauty and awaits us all.

>>18944207
Correct my assumption of the higher self then, if I have the incorrect understanding.

>>18944218
>"I'm not here to convince you of shit."
>"Pls convince me."

K.
Chapter title:
>>>The Holy Guardian Angel is not the "Higher Self" but an Objective Individual
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/crowley/mwt/mwt_43.htm

>>18944221
I'm here to learn more is all, have I offended you some how are you just not open to newcomers?

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>>18944225
I'm a very abrasive person and do not suffer fools lightly.

Ever week we get a few folks in here struggling with their dualism and Christism. People come in with their certainties and misgivings and want me/the regulars to unfuck their shit. I ain't got time for that.

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>>18942268
Appreciated.
>>18942675
The script for the Opening of the Mouth that I wrote for Henre and performed on April 23, the Feast day of Zarabanda.
I used a translation from the walls of the tomb of Rekhmira to compile a condensed version of the ritual that actually took - what, around a month - for a troupe of Egyptian priests to act out day by day in order to open the mouth of a statue of Rekhmira that was going to be placed into his tomb.
I found that the verbiage was super easy to identify, associate, and convert the names of power from Egyptian gods to Mayombe spirits.
Having some knowledge of the Ifa cosmology and mythology helped A LOT.
West Africans and Mayombe in general does not call for an Opening of the Mouth ceremony - but there is the concept of "birthing" and item that also calls for an almost month long process in the diaspora.
Almost a month long at least in some Mayombe texts I've gotten my hands on recently.
So, there are SOME things that are similar that can be associated, even if it's a stretch to pull them together.

But, I wanted to give Henre a little something special that most skulls don't actually get in the Diaspora and that was an official opening of the mouth so he can "see", "here", and "speak" to me for effective communication.
I also wanted to include verbiage in the ritual to bind him to me, and so on.
What good is a familiar spirit if it's not loyal and can't even be a halfway effective spy.
Familiar spirit is probably not the best terminology, but it's the simplest one that popped into my head at the moment.
Sadly, I had to put Henre away in a safe place for the time being.
I can't leave him out where I am at now.
I don't think my dad and step mom could handle opening my bed room door and tripping over a human skull on a copper tray with food offerings.
(They don't know. I don't think they could handle it - psychologically - if I told them what all I get up to.)

>>18944230
What a delightful little Nutria.

>>18944240
Swamp rat is best rat.

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>>18944246
The Spanish seemed to think so.
(The fucking Spanish man.... Continental Spanish.... what in the honest fuck...)
Who keeps a fucking invasive horse rat as a pet.
It's like keeping Syphilis around because the lesions match your favorite outfit.

>>18944269
>Continentals
Yeah mate the Reconquista and Basque debacles really fucked the Peninsular populations up.

>>18943898
It's literally Don's best book so don't be too salty.

>>18944230
Holy shit capybaras are such beautiful creatures

>>18944303
Better than his guide to the Thoth Tarot?

>>18944269
>invasive horse rat as a pet.

It tastes like turkey or pork, depending on what you feed it.

>>18944344
And, they will follow you onto a boat.

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I want to communicate with Ostara. I want to make a cult that is about her but I'd like to talk to her first, to see if she'd find that okay.

Can I also do sex rituals to evoke Ostara?

>>18944406
Yes

>>18944406
Celebrate Purim.

Instead of doing a sex ritual, give a parcels of food to attractive women.

You cannot make a cult about a figure whom nordmen pagans already apotheosized from hebrew lore.

So in the previous thread I posted a question concerning one of my past occult workings. (I hope posting the link is okay: http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/18925862/#18931357.) Now, I realize that my post - and the related jpg - were a tad too weird for anyone normal to digest, and thus my question must've been nearly impossible for anyone to answer. The thread closed before I got a chance to express how sorry I was for posting such a mess. I should add that my post was not a joke, though. The jpg isn't the easiest thing to read, even though I tried to make it more readable than my notes, and I therefore understand if no one here got what the heck I was on.

Anyway, I wanted to learn whether anyone here had encountered similar teachings by spiritual beings, that this is a simulation.

Tl;dr here's a question to you guys: Has a spiritual being ever said to you that all of this is a simulation, or have you ever asked a spirit whether we are living in one?

Thanks.

>>18943889
Nope, that's not me. Sorry, Anon.

>>18944322
Honestly yes, there's nothing there you can't get in Crowley's except maybe some Enochian attributions and speculation

Barrett's ''The Magus'' any good?

>>18943626
>toss
>sigil
>etc.

I've never heard it referred to as that, does the word waylandry have an origin?

Thats the first Ive heard of looking for sigils in a cast but given your knowledge it makes sense.

>>18944234
>So, there are SOME things that are similar that can be associated, even if it's a stretch to pull them together.
The practice is pretty universal among magical practices I think. Even simpler charms often get this treatment, some of my more simple charms take at least four or five days to 'cook' and call spirit to them, but opening of the mouth is definitely a more complex thing.

>I don't think they could handle it - psychologically - if I told them what all I get up to.)
I wear the weird on my sleeve, folks have gotten used to it. It helps if you don't look like a lunatic, dress normally, and talk about normal topics. They quickly realize that it's not terribly different from any other religious or spiritual belief that they don't know about and cease caring.

>buy grimoire
>le great work
>praise!

Becoming an edgelord here, it simply cleans the way so much.

>>18939685
>18,000,000 light years away
>18,000,000 x 5,900,000,000 miles
>breaks calculator
>doesn't break the camera

Lol.

>>18945302
>NGC 6503
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble_Space_Telescope

>>18945068
>waylandry have an origin?
Druidic. A waylandry bag is just a sack of ritual supplies.

>>18945454
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/physics/physicists-say-consciousness-might-be-a-state-of-matter/

Someone in class brought this up and didn't understand why I gave physicists a slow clap for discovering cartesian dualism.

>>18945472
That's awful fucking science reporting/a garbage headline.

They're MODELLING it as a PHASE CHANGES OF MATTER. ***NOT*** saying that it IS matter.

>>18945476
It only gets worse.
>we don't really know, but here's an article about it

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/16/opinion/consciousness-isnt-a-mystery-its-matter.html?_r=0

>>18945479
And people wonder why I detest fedora tipping reddit tier science """fans""" as much as Christfags.

>>18945472
>>18945476
Which phase state of consciousness is the one where a person learns from the future how to linguistically describe states of consciousness as if they were densities of matter, in the present?

http://prepareforchange.net/2017/03/03/ascending-the-densities-of-consciousness/

Is that the fourth density?

Is this linguistic connection occurring too soon? If not, does anybody require a more specific, mathematical explanation of the similarities between nodes of a consciousness network and atomic coordinates of a substance to accept "consciousness density" into their lexicon of sensible concepts?

Because personally, I am stoked for the types of futures which are described by those who brought that phrase into common vernacular. If from their perspective this is a moment when the idea of consciousness densities becomes commonly apparent, then surely circulating the language is how to align towards the kind of future described by those who have that perspective.

>>18945497
>Is that the fourth density?
>Law of One
>>>/out/

>>18945482
I thought it was because they both shit up threads using indistinguishable arguments and then don't listen when you say their bullshit is fundamentally flawed misapprehensions, doesn't work for you, and the blind rhetoric has actively fucked you over your entire life. Then have the audacity to ask why you're so hostile. Then wonder why you sacrifice their children to the stars.

>>18944470
But I'm not Jewish.

>>18945507
>Then wonder why you sacrifice their children to the stars.
I know why I do.
https://youtu.be/f_GruNNmbKM

>>18945510
When you are talking about a story as old as Xerxes, your personal beliefs don't really deviate if they are occidental. PIE is basically Kurdish, so pre-Roman Judaism is basically the history of literate people in the west.

>>18945521
kek

>>18945529
>Kurdish
More like PII.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-Iranian_language

>>18945538
You are talking about a reconstructed language, named with hyphenated anachronisms, that spans the domain of the Goran Kurds.

>>18945521
Which reminds me, I need to make some new pamphlets to spread the Word. Nothing like a rabbit hole of google searches and sketchy pdfs to awaken the chosen few.

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>>18945545
And PIE proper isn't reconstructed?

>>18945546
Just ARG my shit up, famalam.

>>18945553
I prefer to call it The Hero's Call. Nothing sparks interest like having to expend the least amount of effort possible over the most psychologically effective time frame. By then you feel special and are ready to do some shit you don't understand with a candle at dusk. A rebours!

>>18945553
>And PIE proper isn't reconstructed?

It is, that was my point.

>>18945559
Actually some kind of CS arg sounds sorta fun.

Leave clues around campus to a fully set-up blood acre or something.

On the other hand:
>just randomly leaving human remains out in the woods and ASKING people to find it

>>18945568
A horse skull is fine too. Probably scarier.

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>mfw Alex Jones just lost custody of his kids

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>>18945586
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1oQglI7WHc

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>>18940000
Like most you have submitted to a false understanding of empiricism. Your story points to the core problem, namely that our reality is experiential and our experience is limited as we cannot perceive all things at once. The only thing that can be objectively assessed through empiricism is our own subjective experiencing the world. This inner distance is the human mind's special gift.

>>18945592
Hello Ape, what do you think of this book? Is it actually a suitable introduction or should one read others of Evola's texts first?

>>18945607
>what do you think of this book?
Meh.

>others
I wouldn't read Evola at all given how many source texts we have. I mean at the point where you're rambling about the Lunar Jewish Race-Soul in stark contrast to materials like Hekhalot Rabbati, then why not just join JoS.

>>18945476
I'm literally going to have to go into the field of science journalism because this field is so bad at doing the only thing it's supposed to do - report accurately on scientific concepts in a way that is accessible to laypeople but doesn't obscure the facts with its simplicity. It drives me personally mad

>>18945302
you want some more of that good good anon? http://www.esa.int/spaceinimages/Images

>>18945472

I kind of like Max Tegmark, he's a physicist that is super interested in attacking the problem of consciousness without invoking too many philosophical arguments, which I love.

He thinks "the subjective experience of consciousness *is* the way that information feels when being processed in a certain complex way."


In this article anon links, Tegmark describes this consciousness state of matter as "perceptronium," lol.

Max Tegmark also once defined the "hard problem" of consciousness this way - "why does this quark blob have a subjective experience?"

>>18945705
>>18945472

And Tegmark didn't just "rediscover" cartesian dualism, he's trying to physically model consciousness.

Grasping something on a conceptual level and trying to nail down the way it physically interacts with matter are two suuuper different things. You can't use your philosophical understanding of consciousness to construct a benevolent AI, for example, which is part of what Tegmark is after https://futureoflife.org/

>>18945717
https://arxiv.org/abs/cs/0004001

are there any books on energy work, manipulation,healing and similar things in the library?

>>18945741
>>>/fringe/

>>18944778
I see that no one replied, this is to be expected because I understand that none of us want our core beliefs challenged, but still I think it's fair to suggest that the universe was created only once. Ultimately there can only be one truth, and because of this the entities we all work with and love would no doubt forgive such an expected question from their magician - that whether we are living in a simulated reality or not. I mean who knows if my personal findings are different than everyone else's. Be that as it may, I hadn't given simulation hypothesis a serious thought before the spiritual event I described in my post, and by now I am sitting on hundreds of pages of research. Should I give it a serious thought? I don't know. I am not a scientist or claiming to be one, and it is unlikely that science will discover the driver during our lifetime. But to me it would be even nicer if one of you who practice magic would take the time to evoke an entity and question it about this whole "simulation" thing. (As you communicate with the unseen be aware of your very own thoughts. It is most useful to remember that spirits are not physical, and that they always come so always remember to give the denizens a license to depart.) I'd personally love to read about your results. But I guess it's dumb of me to except that anyone would see the trouble. If you have any questions, ask away.

>>18945749
I've never had an entity talk to me about simulations.

>>18945741
https://www.amazon.com/Essential-Reiki-Complete-Ancient-Healing/dp/0895947366

10 bucks on Amazon, Prime shipping. Diane Stein is a little out there, but it's a great primer

>>18945749
>I understand that none of us want our core beliefs challenged

No, none of us want to do an entire evocation to answer your question for you. Learn the skill and evoke an entity ya damn self

>>18945750
Fair enough. In that case you'd need to initiate the conversation.
>>18945770
I have done thousands of evocations.

>mods planning a /pol-pt2/
>still no /rel/
Oh for fuck's sake.

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>>18945785
K.

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Can someone give me a quick run down on succubus lore? Taking an interest in the arcane again. What I am specifically curious about is can the essence of a succubus manifest in a person?

>>18945790
Spooky. Actually, that is the reason I approached /x/ on the subject. I noticed that you guys discuss similar topics here whereas other forums of occult never seem to.

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>>18945805
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succubus#Qarinah
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qareen

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>>18945472
The young science student is usually discouraged from pursuing studies in spirituality and the occult by atheistic role models like Bill Nye and Neil Degrasse Tyson. The upside to this is that their standards for recording and falsifying data are honed razor sharp; the downside is that through their materialistic tunnel-vision they end up making a lot of "discoveries" that were already common knowledge to anyone who isn't a STEM major.

>>18945827
I repeat, "Mad Max" Tegmark is not a "young science student" with "materialistic tunnel vision," he's a heady-ass theoretical physicist with fascinating ideas about consciousness. Look him up -_-

>>18945845
Nobody here's shitting on Tegmark, we're shitting on the awful state of science journalism that hear about Tegmark and then write trashy clickbait.

>>18945853
I mean I know that's what you're doing but

>they end up making a lot of "discoveries" that were already common knowledge to anyone who isn't a STEM major

>>18945827
>>18945845
>>18945853

I tend to read between the lines when someone brings up the dialogue about 'the universe as a simulation'. The assertion is an ontological contradiction, so the research interest is more likely a coverup for an intent to: mine people's comments on the internet and use them to feed a genetic algorithm to generate arbitrary physical models which may include contradictory rule sets.

Ironically, that genetic algorithm is metaphysically equivalent to a tulpa with a whiteboard.

The problem is that physicists do not realize that plasma does not have to be hot. Chemists and biologists picked up on that long ago.

Tegmark did not apply the -ium suffix correctly as it is used in Latin, Arabic, or Kurdish. It denotes atomistic detail. Portmanteau is the surest sign of clickbait.

>>18945883
Cool dada post mate.

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>>18945888
>888

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>>18945812
Good reads. Now for a hypothetical.

Could it be possible to conjure a succubus and have it latch into someone close to you? Usually they manifest in dreams and I recall them being very particular about names. Some years back I attempted to summon my own succubus, could never settle on a name though. Perhaps it backfired? Is it even possible to summon a succubus? The bits of info I remember comes from some dated Satanist material.

Gawd I love lurking in here - so fascinating

>>18945896
Well I'm going to post this reply and then do the next library update.

>>18945883
>Tegmark did not apply the -ium suffix correctly as it is used in Latin, Arabic, or Kurdish. It denotes atomistic detail. Portmanteau is the surest sign of clickbait.

I think he's borrowing from the term "computronium." The portmanteau came from the physicist himself, not PBS, that part isn't their fault.

>>18945893
>93
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>>18945912

Ape, may I contact you? I have questions about a shadowy thing running about in my life since I was young, but it's slightly more personal information I'd not like to share on this board.
I'd also humbly request guidance in my pursuit of esoteric knowledge and power over my personal life, and communion with the essence of existence, as I am but a novice with only surface level studies of various magical systems and religions under my belt. I feel rather lost, unfocused and disconnected from the other side of the veil as of late, and I wish to ask the help of someone who's knowledge and experience I hold deep respect for.
I apologize for breaking the topic of the thread, but this is where I was told to find you.

>>18945910
Someone should have noticed the widespread use of the suffix in chemistry and biology. Physics is lacking these days because so few have good writing or reasoning skills.

>>18945952
If you want to ask in the next thread, I can help you with the dark thing; and he might show you through the library.

>>18945529
I see. So you said Ostara is originally Hebrew, what is her real name?

>>18945954
You are tooo right about writing skills- the abstracts of physics papers are sometimes painful to read. It's a problem in general that academic specialization has this unfortunate side effect of creating scientifically illiterate poets and verbally un-creative scientists