Finding the body of John Jones

>>18915175

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutty_Putty_Cave

>>18915216
He was a Mormon, not a Christian. No its not the same thing, Mormons are nice people but it's a modern day cult with a race based hierarchy system and ultra secretive practices.
Also regardless what religion he practiced, God or Jesus doesn't tell people to climb headfirst down a narrow cave, he did that himself because he was an adrenaline junkie who didn't have his priorities straight.

>>18915248
Climbing head first down a cave doesn't really seem like something you'd do on purpose

>>18915324
"Faith in The Gospel of Jesus" = Christian, IDC whether Catholic or Mormon or Protestant, it's the English definition of the word Christian.

>>18915254
Spelunkers routinely explore narrow crawl spaces. He probably thought he could get through to an opening at the other end.

Looking at the diagram it was incredibly unwise.

It was stupid to do what he did and it cost him his life.
but we all know if he had shattered his legs to get out and survived he would probably get a book and movie deal just like that 172 hours moron

apparently surviving your own stupidity makes you a hero

>>18915550
If I lived anywhere close to Utah I'd sure as fuck do it.

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>>18915216

how is the man's religion related to this story in any way? fucking /x/. now half the thread is going to be people arguing about Jesus and Mormons and the Nicene Council and god knows what else instead of talking about the fucking topic.

>>18915463
it's quite horrible to think that the end of your life could come about like this
it happens every day.

Why would pulling him out backwards break his legs?
I don't understand.

>>18915398
God it terrifies me. I can't even read the image anymore because it makes me sick, but reading your description has the same effect. I can't imagine who awful that must be, but then again, it takes a special kind of brain to go in there in the first place. Maybe he didn't feel the same as I would. He was probably afraid to die, but not necessarily scared of being trapped.

>>18915175
News reports

Rescue in progress:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM2KYfSLwKI

After his death - decision to close the cave with body inside
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWfa6ggjz98

>>18915216
Wow

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>>18915175
Another map

>>18915216
Edgy

>>18915248
>He was a Mormon, not a Christian
mormons are Christians
>race based hierarchy system and ultra secretive practices
huh? i'm a mormon and i can assure you there are no "secretive practices", and i have no clue what you're referring to by "race based hierarchy system". where are you getting this information from? Pretty retard DESU senpai

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>>18916650

Not this anon:
>>18915248

The church only recently allowed colored people to become church officials.
The whole idea is that white people are white because god did not punish them for killing jesus.

>>18915216
/x/ - threads ruined with the first reply

It really makes you think... about the game dig dug

>>18915248
>Mormons are nice people

kek sure you haven't gone outside much huh

>>18915216
Breaking his legs would have sent him into shock, and killed him shortly after. You ever broke your leg? That shit hurts when you aren't upside down in the dark with a brain flooded with blood. Honestly just fuck off, that right there is one of the worse ways to die whether you've got faith to comfort you or not.

>>18915216
(You)

>>18916759
Here it is, your (You)

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>>18916675
>Implying jebus was white !

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>>18917050

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>>18915175
The story is heartbreaking to be honest, poor guy left behind his wife and daughter and 13 month old child.

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>>18917050
>>18917060
I don't believe in Jesus numb nuts. Mormons believe Jesus was a white american that got baptised in the Mississippi.

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>>18915398
>Spelunkers routinely explore narrow crawl spaces.

Case in point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYEKhgFrpd4&t

Surprising more people haven't died.

>>18915175
>physically break into the cave
If you mean to actually try and see his body in person, that's not a good idea considering he's been decaying in there.

>>18917987
>I'm cold
>my feet hurt
>It's dirty
>I don't get paid enough for this shit
>I wish I was at home in bed

>>18915550
I wonder if he'd be a skeleton or more of a mummy. I don't think there are many bugs down there to eat dead bodies.

>>18915248
Mormons are Christian. The actual name of the church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Even says it in the name of the church. Check and mate.

>>18917213
Was raised a Mormon. No they don't.

Even if you break into the cave would you actually risk your life to crawl down into the same tunnel that killed him
Also would he still even be there? I mean that was like 8 years ago. His remains are probably nothing but skeletal now. Theyve probably fallen through the crack at this stage. Im assuming whatever harness that was around his legs was removed/cut before or as the tunnel was sealed so theyre be nothing holding him

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>>18915872

They had him hoisted up for awhile, but the rope anchors broke and he fell back in again.

>>He said they were able to free Jones initially using a rope-pulley system. At that point, Jones had been hanging, headfirst, at a 70- or 80-degree angle for more than eight hours, said Utah County Sheriff's Sgt. Tom Hodgson.

>It was around 4:30 p.m. Wednesday when rescuers got him loose. They were able to give him an IV, food and water. He also received a needed morale boost after he was able to talk to his wife over a police radio.

>For a few hours there were sighs of tentative relief. They finally cracked open the boxes of pizza and cases of water, and broke out in smiles suggesting the worst was over.

>That only lasted for a few hours.

>Once Jones was free of the 18-by-10-inch crevice, rescuers said an "equipment failure" caused the rope system that was hoisting the man out of the cave to drop him back into the same, narrow gap.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705347362/Man-trapped-in-Utah-Countys-Nutty-Putty-cave-dies.html

>>18918924
im confused, so they got him out but left him hanging over the hole? why??

>>18919217
To give him and everyone a break. It was very tiring work for everyone involved.

>>18919217
I think he was wedged near the bottom of the hole, they had pulled him up and he was hanging and ready to be pulled out (they still had to get him through the tight opening).

>>18915175
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfredo_Rampi
I suggest digging into his story, if you understand italian, take a look at his wikipedia.it page.

>>18916650
Srs g8 b8 m8. Be a good boy and protect those masonic handshakes. Unless you happend to be female, then I understand, and I feel sorry for you, truly.

>>18915428
And they STILL made a movie out of it.

ht tp://www.imdb.com/title/tt5895892/

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>claustrophobic and afraid of bug

Caves is the last item on my list.

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>>18919421
The Last Descent trialer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQwJfLk4YOo

He had to have pooped and peeed after so long, so he died with that dripping down his chest and to his chin

Why didn't they just dope him up, good and proper, and then yank him out?
Sure, bones would snap and internal injuries may happen, but he'd be floating through the k-hole and would still be alive today.

Heck, if the alternative is "We either sever your spine to get you out or you can lay here and slowly die" - give me that fucking ketamine and get fucking pulling.

>>18921216
/thread

>>18916675
>allowing coloreds to be church officials
and we're supposed to want niggers in church?

>>18921357
THIS

>>18915175
Wait, the hole was exactly 45.72 meters (150 feet) deep and 45.72 centimeters (18 inches) wide? Thats pretty weird

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>>18921216
What a shitty way to die, if only the rescuers wouldn't have done such a piss poor job

>>18923509
Yeah, they sure left him hanging

>>18923521
ur 1 cheeky kunt m8 I'll tell you what.

>>18916650
>>18918042

Hmm. The most basic tenet of any truely Christian faith is the belief in the trinity of the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit. All one being and God, but still distinct. Now correct me if i am wrong but it was my impression that Mormons do not adhere to this belief. A religion may follow the teachings of the Bible, but if that religion does not believe in the Trinity they can not truely be Christians. Please correct me if i am misinformed regarding Mormons and the trinity.

>>18915175
Rescue teams shouldn't be sent after people who are stupid enough to go into these places.

>>18917060

this assumes that back then ME was arab and not white, just like in the future america and most of europe will be shit skin

what are arabs anyway? they just look like the product of multiracialism, they are prolly just different races mixed together, pretty disgusting if you ask me

>>18921357

it's because they secretely fed him to a dragon that lives down in that cave, it's one of the beats mormons worship

>>18923141

yes because it's a lie, they let a cave monster eat him, yanking him 1/2 way up and giving him food and a drink was his last meal before lowering him down to his death eaten by a dragon

>>18915175
>Exploring Nutty Putty Cave for the first time

So it's his first time in the cave and he wanders off exploring an unmapped section? What a dumbass.

>>18923752
Yes Mormons believe in the holy trinity but believe they are separate beings. This is evident at the baptism of Christ.

>>18915175
i can imagine his body down there with all his clothes and things such a sad thing

>>18923521
This isn't reddit. Leave your shitty, self-serving puns at the door.

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>>18924058
U mad, bro?

>>18924016
Not a theological grudge match. Just a question of whether the Mormons adhere to the basic Christian tenet, the Trinity, required to fall under the umbrella of Christianity.

>>18924255
No worries dude. But to answer your base question, yes they do believe in the Father, the son, and the Holy ghost

>>18924058
Not that guy but you have autism.

>>18915216
Indeed good gentlesir thou hast struck to the very core of the issue. Our mutual friends on the reddit will be in deep admiration of your mental prowess

>>18915216
kek

>>18915216

edge: the post

>>18917060

Jesus was most likely a levantine

>>18924058
That's funny, that's exactly what a redditor would say

>>18918042
I thought that was just a sect? Man I'm truly misinformed

>>18925200
It's ok dude. Tons of misinformation out there.

>>18925234
So do they believe in the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit as one God, but separate entities? I was under the impression they believe Father and Son are not one? That Jesus is a literal son of God, as is the devil. Therefore they are siblings? If this is the case this would fall outside the realm of what is classified as Christianity.

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>>18925234
Basically if you can not believe in this diagram, you may call yourself Christian, but you can not classified as Christian.

>>18925674
>>18925707
Luke 3:22 shows the three as distinct different entities

>>18925768
So your beliefs are line with this diagram? Yes or no? If yes they fall within what can be considered a Christian religion. If not then your belief system falls outside of what can be considered a Chrisitian religion.

>>18915216
i cut myself the other day, and reading your post opened it back up

>>18925779
Your diagram is contradictory. It shows that they are all one and the same but not all one and the same.

>>18917060
>implying god isn't white
>implying a brown woman would be a virgin past the age of 10 top zoz

>>18925788
As a Church of Christ Christian.... yeah, that's what we believe. Think of it like an apple or an egg. For an apple, the skin is the Spirit, the fleshy bit is Jesus, and the core is the Father.

>>18925768
"and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: "You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased."" - Luke 3:22. Out of context, yeah, it seems like it says they're different entities. They're merely different aspects of the same entity, as evidenced by Genesis, and more specifically, John 1:1."In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." And if you look at the Hebrew words used, never is a trinity specifically mentioned, but twice plural forms are used in reference to God.

This is derailment enough, I just thought I'd pop in to give you what the NIV Christian Bible says, and what my branch believes.

>>18923752
>truely Christian faith

And no true scotsman puts sugar on his porridge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontrinitarianism

>>18925788
>contradictory
>basic belief required to be classified as a Chrisitian religion
>agreed upon by 99% of Christian religions.

>>18925832
No idea what the hell this means.

>>18915175
Claustrophobic's nightmare

>>18915216
euphoria.jpg

>>18915828
Your knees only bend in one direction

>>18915175
So you want to go in to the same cave he got stuck too pull his skeleton or get pic of him ?

>>18926120
Not if you pull hard enough

>>18925865
It's a logical fallacy. The argument being, while many Scotsmen likely do put sugar on their porridge, a TRUE Scotsman does not (and instead puts salt on).

>>18919371
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfredo_Rampi
>There was later some speculation surrounding the circumstances of the accident. During the autopsy of Alfredo's frozen corpse, it appeared he was wearing a harness. Whilst being questioned by the police, rescuer Angelo Licheri, said he had placed it on him when he was falling in the hope it might be used to save him. This theory was challenged by the Fire Brigade who use a similar one, stating it would have been virtually impossible to have put it on him in the confines of the well. The judge of the case speculated he may have been lowered into the well, rather than falling in by accident. The investigations were, however, suspended as it was impossible to reach a verdict.

WHAT THE FUCK. Any more info?

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>>18916483
The "Big Slide" portion of cave

>>18915175
Sounds like my kind of caper. Once we find the cadaver we should fuck it and eat it.

>>18926781
Well in this case these people calling themselves Scotsmen don't understand whats required to be an actual Scotsmen.

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>>18915175
Find a better sport bro

>>18927589
DRR..DRR..DRR

>>18915248
>Mormons are nice people but it's a modern day cult with a race based hierarchy system and ultra secretive practices
Sign me the fuck up senpai. Is spelunking mandatory?

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>>18927589

Maybe he got pushed through and emerged somewhere else?

>>18915463
Really, people talking about christianity and mormons here, but it's your ignorance that hurts the most. You can really be proud of yourself. Please do climb into the cave to check for yourself.

>>18928046
this is the most obscure shit but i kekt

i just feel weird kekking

because nobody else would ever kek

unless here

>>18928153
There are tons of parodies, I posted that one because it was so off-the-wall.

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>>18926966
cave entrance

>>18915175
>die stuck horribly in a cave
>it's called "Nutty Putty Cave"

i'd be so mad

>>18924058
not getting carlos

et tu b8?

>>18926959
>WHAT THE FUCK

Italian legal system in a nutshell. If anything sounds stupid or insane, it's probably because their legal system is stupid and insane, not that an insane thing happened

>Go to Italy
>Be accused of crime
>Verdict: Not guilty!
>The prosecution can appeal and try you again on the same crime until they convict you

yeah no fucking thanks backwards ass nigger country. reminder that italians aren't white

>>18915175
Is it okay if i ask what the elites want with this information? You sound like one would sound.

>>18930002
Shitty new meme or?

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>>18930185

>>18930002
>>18930195
Can someone explain?

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This is the photo you're thinking of. It is not John.

They also sealed the entire tunnel with concrete. You're not going to get a picture.

>>18930499
>the photo you're thinking of.
Who are you replying to?

>>18915216
wew fucking lad

>>18930679
>The cave was eventually sealed off, but I know there are some pictures of John's body during rescue and after his death.
OP

>>18930499
Why head first?

>>18915175

Ever seen The Descent?

>>18928046
what's this a reference to?

>>18931418
why the fuck would he crawl in feet first

>>18921357
if i remember correctly the problem was that he was upside down for so long that all of the blood had left the lower limbs which caused hypersensitivity (that weird tingling feeling when your leg falls asleep times a million) breaking his legs would have likely caused sever shock and killed him. but i agree if it was me i'd say cut my fucking legs of shatter every bone in my body i wouldn't give a fuck just get me out of that hole, then again i would never go in a cave.

>>18934513
caves are super fun to explore. You just go with other people and do go face first into a fucking tiny hole and you will have a good time. Also you don't have to be the first to explore some tiny crack in a mountain, you can easily check out caves that are more well known and have been found to be safe

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>>18918924
>>18919240
>>18921216

Laughed hard

>>18920984
>Nutty putty
How can anyone take this seriously

>>18934513
It'd be hard to explore caves without legs

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Christ, just jump out of a plane for your adrenaline high instead of stuffy yourself down a tiny hole. At least you'll probably die instantly from falling rather than wasting away jammed upside down without even being able to take a full breath.

>>18934963
How about not crawling down unexplored areas of a cave that you're not familiar with, when you're not an experienced caver? Thousands of people safely navigated that cave.

>>18917150
He looks like he has foetal alcohol syndrome

>>18934415
An Ito story, the Enigma of Amigara Fault

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>>18927589
>>18934415

You can read the manga here.
http://brasscockroach.com/h4ll0w33n2007/manga/Amigara-Full/Amigara.html

>>18929952
>go to US
>rape and murder a child
>verdict: not guilty
>new evidence shows up
>can't be tried again

Yeah, sounds good to me.

>>18935922
That's not how it works buddy

>>18917050
He wasnt a nigger tho
Good enough for me

>>18927249
That's his point -- you don't understand what it means to be a Christian. It has nothing to do with the trinity, a Christian is anyone that follows the teachings of Jesus.

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/ITT: People most don't know much about Mormons

>>18915216
I would gas you to death while you're being immolated on a cross you disgusting subhuman shit stain.

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Getting close.

>>18917150
Ehh, she would have no trouble getting some other good Mormon white boy to swoop in and stuff her grieving, widowed pussy.

>>18918924
This happened because they were in a state where all the smart people leave as soon as they graduate HS. Californiafag here- leave the engineering us, and we'll leave the... uhh... bible stuff to you ;)

>>18939192
>Utah Caver Stuck Upside-Down Dies

He truly died doing what he loved: being Australian.

>>18926711
This. Fucking pussies let him die.

>>18938938
>Mormons use bread slices to heal badly injured boy

>>18938970
You seem upset.

>>18917150
See I find myself being 100% more concerned and proactive with self-preservation now that I have kids for the sake of always being there for them. Guess it didn't occur to him

Why didn't they just pull him after he died for a proper funeral at least? Did family request his body remain?

>>18940096
It's in the articles - they didn't want to risk further loss of life or injury getting the body out.

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>>18939492
Good work guys

>>18929952
Knox is guilty and only burgerblobs think otherwise, purely because you are from the same country.

T. Not an Italian or shart in mart

>>18938970
What did he post?

>>18923521
Get out of here Brandon.

>>18940524
Commiefornia on suicide watch.

>>18942283
>What did he post?

>>18935315
>He looks like he has foetal alcohol syndrome

>>18916650
>mormons are Christians
No. It's literally a non-Christian cult whose 'beliefs' directly contradict the gospels and the divinity of Christ, so not Christian.

>>18918924
>job is less than half done
>USA USA LET'S STUFF PIZZA IN OUT FAT FACES
Literally explains it all

>>18943044
>stuck upside down in a hole for 20 hours
>finally get pulled up far enough to be provided food
>request a pizza from a nearby pizza place to help lift moral
>finally eat the pizza while we rest
>slip back in hole by some unforeseen circumstances
>get shit talked about it on a Korean underwater model making forum
It's not easy being cheesy

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>>18927589
>>18928046

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>>18939485
That got me a little hard

>>18942283
Basically some guy said he deserved it and he's an asshole for leaving his family but in great detail, and then something about him being a retarded Mormon/ Christian. Not sure why it was removed, I doubt that anon cared maybe a Janitor did but this ain't reddit

>>18917060
Cover the mustache, it looks like a woman.

Jesus was a trap.

>>18927589
I just want to caption that image.

"When a thot about to let you hit it, then one of your buddies tries to move in."

>>18930499
>Wearing knee pads on your shins

No wonder they were dumb enough to drop him.

Did they have helmets on their assholes?

>>18934963
When you jump from a plane, you actually don't die from the impact.

You die from baneposting on the way down.

"FOR YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!"

>>18916650
The Vatican does not accept you on any level.

>>18944288
They removed it because it literally derailed the thread.

>>18918020
>im cold
>my feet hurt
>and that bitch is slipping

BUMMMBADA TSSSS

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>>18939496
Christly fuck

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>>18930499
>>18928046

>>18944324
It didn't 'literally' derail the thread you massive faggot

That dude was a dumb ass. Just reading this pissed me off at how fucking retarded he was.

Who the fuck crawls into these little spaces let alone your first time and it's not fucking mapped? Retards that deserve to die, that's who.

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>>18915175
>A bit of scouting with a cell phone/camera on a string could have prevented this whole thing.

>>18918924
This is some next level shit.

They almost saved his ass then oops he died?

Wtf

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>>18924129
>>18924473
>>18925106

This reeks of reddit and samefagging (don't bother with a pointless screenshot of my post, that proves nothing).

>>18929937
>not knowing how to greentext

lurk b4 poasting

>>18934439
Kek

>>18915175
Why wouldn't these retards just break his legs? At that point it shouldn't matter. Dude could be in a wheelchair for six months but he would have been alive.

>>18945226
Dont quote me on this but I think what the problem was because he was upside-down the blood had almost entirely left his legs from the long length of time he spent there. this would then make his legs hyper-sensitive and put him into shock if they were broken in which he would probably die anyway. could be wrong about though

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>>18945161

It proves how retarded you are