Occultism & Magick: Library Update 50

I seek to conjure King Ba'al, I am a beginner but I am not afraid.

any tips and tricks

>>18908884
>http://pastebin.com/HhU18gCW

>>18908786
Hey Thoth, I'm looking for information on traditional Norse OBE practices. Is there anything that you would recommend?

What is the origin of Luciferianism? After reading Peter Grey it seems like a relatively recent invention from various sources, but every modern link leads back to Montalban. Is it a melange of gnosticism and modern adverserial interpretations of historic occult praxis or is there some meat on these bones? Is the adverserial aspect the meat? What exactly is going on here?

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>>18908924
No clue.

>>18908958
Grimorium Verum.
Pic related.

>>18908972
Why is everyone else talking about baphomet with edgy stellar fire horns or some ubermensch antichrist figure when I get what's in the description? More importantly, what is the origin in Verum considering the other princes and half the roster are old gods.

>>18908786
>Yezidi
>cleaned that black book shit out

Why so Ape?

>>18908786
Some nice updates, my friend.

>re:last thread(ra ra rasputin)
Something you may enjoy.
https://youtu.be/HNpLuXOg7xQ

>>18909001
1) I dunno mate.
2) I dunno mate; Verum has a strong "folk magick" streak that looks a lot like native sorts of practices, almost African. We know one sigil, that of Silcharde, comes from the confession of Urbain Grandier. Take that to mean what you will, but it's at least indication the materials date in part to the early 1600's.

>>18909013
The Black Book was written as tourist bait.
It contains hints and references to the Qwele but now that I offer the Qwele you don't gotta rely on weak trash, because you literally have the source texts.

>>18908924
Seidr

>>18909044
https://youtu.be/j4IgNPmaKkw

>>18909046
I mean there is the Lucero of Palo Mayombe with similar qualities, but lacking the signature. He has origins in Kongo, which is a good enough origin for me, but figuring out how that made it into an 18th grimoire is what I was looking into if the origin wasn't elsewhere.

>>18909071
>if the origin wasn't elsewhere
It's probably in some obscure but now lost grimoire.
The West lost a lot of shit friend.

There was likely some form of practice that was more or less similar in flavor and tone to GMP that was a sort of Christianized intermediary between then and the Grimoire tradition(s) that like soaked its way into Basque country, etc., and other regions which later had regular "witchcraft" problems.

>>18909061
Gotta love Little Big. They are kind of like Russia's Die Antwoord.

>>18909122
>tfw you listen to waaaay too many Death Grips mashups
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuRBZpQ7pBE#

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>>18909071
You rang?
Happy Tuesday, y'all.

Country of Origin for Grimorium Verum?
Shouldn't be hard to figure out if they had contact with West Africa in 1700's.
Them's PRIMO slave tradin' times.

>>18909071
>Lucero takes its power from many palces...four corners, highway...rat...Mercury...tobacco
>...also known as:... Quatro Ventos, Vento Mundo, Orumbo [which I believe means Lamp]...

>>18909089
Judging from the little research I've done, there is some sort of african connection here, at least enough to make parallels with western usages.

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>>18909136
>there is some sort of african connection here
Osisis is a BLACK GOD.

>>18909140
>tfw when I realize I've been worshiping a shitskin all this time

No, actually i'm surprised that people are even surprised by this.

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>>18909140
I should really write the paper on drums but I don't feel like hunting through half-remembered sources, especially when I can just shit together a spurious connection between Lucifer and Nkuyo Nfinda for 3 pages with shit I already have open.

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>>18909136
Urm... Lucero doesn't take his power from there...
Lucero is an intermediary and channel of power from Nzambi.

It's more like Lucero gives power to the mysteries of the four corners, the highway, the gate, and so on.
Tobacco is an offering of thanks to Lucero - a burnt offering.
But, I would NOT say it gives him his power.

These concepts or spirits or powers are A LOT older than the existence of highways, or crossed roads or LOTS of other things that we use as symbols for them.

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I'd like to extend my deepest non-meme gratitude to our thread's first ever monetary donation.

>>18909166
I was just copying frivolously from the Frisvold book.

I want to say Lucero syncretized with a similar pagan deity to form Lucifer in Europe in the same way eshu is syncretized with the devil in the US.

>>18909128
Always enjoyed their sound. The man is quite creative and has a real talent for blending genres.

>lol @ tumbler @ 12:20

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>>18909193
>in the US.
>93
Happened all over the New World under colonial influence.
>mfw people tell me the Caliphate is the LEGIT OTO

>>18909200
The Protestant devil is all I know around here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMYAEHE2GrM

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>>18909179
Wait, you actually allowed Palo to contribute a little $?

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>>18909193
>Lucero syncretized with a similar pagan deity to form Lucifer in Europe

I'm sorry.
That makes no sense to me.
The concept of Lucifer is based on the character of The Adversary that's mentioned throughout the canonical "translations" that make up the Christian Old Testament.
That story is supposedly drawing from earlier Canaanite lore of the war between Helel and El.

>>18909239
No, he never let me send any.
I offered to buy him an upgrade for an undecided amount of time and he turned me down.

So, tell me 50.. if a slightly older, bored, occultnik lady with some extra cash to burn offered to buy you some shit you love more than anything because she thinks you're cute and entertaining...with no strings attached... would you tell her no?

Didn't think so.

>>18909179
I bet more willing contributors exist, if need be. (hint).

I have a question RE: anointing a new wand:
This particular one looks like it's gonna soak up a shitload of oil...is there any way I can get around that?

>>18909262
I didn't exactly *ask* for it, just popped up in my email.

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>>18909262
>I offered to buy him an upgrade for an undecided amount of time and he turned me down.

Well, it was very nice of you to offer. I would value the thought more than the $.

>would you tell her no?
Hard to say. I would feel inclined to give something in return for helping with my burden. If I could not think of anything, it would be difficult to accept barring absolute necessity.

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>>18909262
>slightly older wants to send me money

>>18909264
>younger lady IS sending me money

J-just like my animes.

>>18909264
I dunno, how skilled are you with precomplex lacquer procedures? I mean if you don't much mind modern chemical processes then I guess it doesn't matter a whole lot.

>>18909264
Soak it in a shitload of oil. Or get some shellac and a rag and start rubbing.

>>18909309
Not at all, but I'm a quick learner. Also, is hyssop a decent substitution for saffron? I don't have my tables on hand but I feel like they are in the same category of odors.

>>18909316
Shitload of (Abramelin) oil? Or a base oil first then hit it with Abramelin?

>>18909320
Properly treat it for years of wear so you can wipe off hand gunk easily, then anoint.

>>18909306
I've spent too many years homeless to accept monetary gifts lightly. It's a 'me' thing. If I can't scrounge it myself, I can't have it.

Like I get nervous just being in the same room as our museums fundraiser dude who greases the local money's palms.

Every now and then I give him this cracked out look and ask how he does it. He says he just smiles and asks. If I have existential fits about amounts over 100 I can't fathom buying some rich fuck dinner just so I can ask him for a 20k....which is why he's doing that and I'm in the archive.

>>18909331
He asks for 50k and settles for the intended 20, it's like you learned nothing from that pollack egomaniac.

>>18909318
>hyssop a decent substitution for saffron
I would use it.
Have you considered just pine-taring it? I mean if you're gonna wax it it's gonna soak in anyhow.

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>>18909352
>I would use it.
Would NOT use it.

>>18909352
That's not a terrible idea...I mean, I have baseball bat pine tar, would that work? And what do I do after that? I'm trying to go, if not a more traditional route, than at least a less modern one, this time.

>>18909357
Would not use it as a substitution? By the way I'm talking incense here not wand.

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>>18909264
Rough generic framework, I would use in that situation:
>Melt bees wax and a little bit of mineral oil together on very low heat.
>Stir together until mixed. This is a good time to add your own blend of "woowoo".
>Remove form heat.
>Add a little essential oil and stir some more. Add more woowoo as you stir.
>Dip clean never before used cloth into solution.
>Rub deep into grain of wand while adding more woowoo.

*Woowoo may consist of hymn, chant or good old fashioned intent. A little applied numerology is always nice when doing anything involving repetition.

>>18909360
French polish.

>>18909365
>Intradasting
Thanks, sounds like a solid prep. I'll be sure to add copious amounts of semen in lieu of woowoo

>>18909365
If I can't find mineral oil what's a good sub? If I use just bees wax and woowoo will that fuck it up

>>18909364
Different spheres, different paths.

>>18909365
>chant
Yes, do this. Speak it into being.

>>18909369
>semen
>not woowoo
It's like you've never made a waxen Sigillum Dei Aemeth

>>18909380
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_polish

I'm telling you, the results are stellar.

>>18909331
>If I can't scrounge it myself, I can't have it.
This is pretty much the way I feel. It drives some people crazy.

>If I have existential fits about amounts over 100 I can't fathom buying some rich fuck dinner just so I can ask him for a 20k...

Having done a bit of work for non profits, it is difficult for me to do. I have to form a loose bond with the person before I can ask them to support a common goal. Still makes me feel a bit "off" for days-weeks afterword.

>>18909387
The downside is having to regularly polish it, but you should be used to the motions.

>>18909392
Thank you for the recommendation
> I'm trying to go, if not a more traditional route, than at least a less modern one, this time.

>>18909403
Lacquering and staining are pretty old processes, it's all about what you use to do it though. Melting amber would be pretty badass though.

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>>18909391
Oops. Had to re-boot browser and forgot my tag.

>>18909387
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_polish
Works well on my cabinets.

>>18909369
>I'll be sure to add copious amounts of semen in lieu of woowoo

Well semen is a fairly "woowoo" substance in and of itself. The mineral oil will keep it from going rancid.

>>18909380
>If I can't find mineral oil what's a good sub?
Olive oil works, but it goes rancid after about a year.

>>18909417
Melting amber would be cool as fuck. I just meant the French Polish being a bit more modern than I prefer.

>>18909457
The olive oil will actually go rancid in the wand? I actually just went out and got a bottle because I wasn't seeing any responses and I thought it might work well...I just figured since olive is the base of the Abramelin oil it wouldn't cause much harm?

>>18909498
Let me ask this: Where does one find mineral oil? Hardware store or drug store?

>>18909504
Hardware, with all the lacquers and stains. Make sure not to get mineral spirits because they like to put them next to each other.

>>18909514
Thankya mucho. Heading to my local Home Despot right now.

>>18909488
Shellac is bug resin.
It looks new, and the TECHNIQUE is new(ish) but the basic principles are as old as the Vedas.

>>18909521
Actually before I leave, what beeswax:mineral oil ratio are we talking?
Come to think of it I guess mineral oil isn't too much of an ancient substance, but fuck it.

>>18909531
Ah ok. Thanks for clarifying. I was mixing up shellac and modern varnishes/finishes I guess.

>1 - An Exemplar of the Salute: The Salute between the Powers of the North and the East
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ouv0wl9PMN0

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>>18909504
>Hardware store or drug store?

The good food grade stuff is used for chopping blocks and baby laxative.

This is what I would recommend. Works well on furniture too.

>>18908907
Can you explain to my WHY all that stuff must be done? I am quite short on cash and space in my living area, is there any way to just tell him to get his lazy ass out of the brimstone and over here?

>>18909566
If you gave balls and play nice, you can forego the circle. More importantly, what is a circle going to do to stop a transdimensional entity you're invoking for nefarious purposes from fucking you up at some later time and place?

>>18909533
>Come to think of it I guess mineral oil isn't too much of an ancient substance, but fuck it.

start with 1:5 and work your way up to 1:4 if it is not runny enough.

It is a petroleum byproduct. Therefore it is essentially decomposed plants and dinosaurs. Both are quite old, lol.

But the main reason to use it over olive oil is the fact that it penetrates and preserves while being food safe.

>>18909531
>Shellac is bug resin.
Bug poop from a very special bug. It makes wood look fantastic.
>the basic principles are as old as the Vedas.
Very true.

>>18909576
But, is their a simpler way to invoke Ba'al? Has anyone else invoked him? Can I just yell "BA'AL, COME HERE" in the woods? What sacrifices does he like?

>>18909592
There's no such thing as a free lunch.

>>18909601
If he wants lunch I can provide

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>bump

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>>18908786
I sent you a link for The Scorpion God, y u no added it?

Post more aesthetic alters!

So link to previous occult thread, looking to see if someone actually gave out some guides to AP.

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So I kind of wanted to study the Qliphot and other stuff, mentioned this to Ape, but he said that it was trash and that I was better off studying the greek magical papyri translation along with guidelines.

Can anybody shed some light on the matter? I'm not knowledgeable, so I appreaciate the guidance.

>>18909924
gief?

>>18911259
this book*

>>18911259
The Klipot are not places which can be traveled to, or entities to evoke.

They are the reified shells of habituation which impede Gnosis.

See: Blazing Dew of Stars, Kabbalistic Mirror of Genesis, Awakening Ground, Shamati, etc., etc., etc.

>>18911307
Isn't reify a word too strong?
Demonic possession by the dwellers of the Kingdom of Shells looks very real.

>>18911307

I'm always second guessing kabbalah, can you tell me a bit of its relation to gnosticism, since I'm a wee bit more well versed into it?

>>18911416

Yeah, I'm not familiar with Kabbalah, but I'm familiar with gnosticism, can you explain kabbalah in gnostic terms briefly so I understand, since you mentioned gnosis and so on?

>>18908786
Ape, I need help with an annoyance.

I need a copy of this medical report:

https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation&continue=/scholar%3Fhl%3Den%26as_sdt%3D0,5%26scilib%3D1&citilm=1&citation_for_view=ouRGIIIAAAAJ:u5HHmVD_uO8C&hl=en&oi=p

What service can I use to track and send me a copy of this thing?

>>18911951
>404

>>18911433
Read Pistis Sophia again.
Kabbalah is bringing you up the spheres.

>>18911959
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cluster=1746807097906896839

Holtan, Neal, et al. Final report of the SUNDS planning project. Saint Paul-Ramsey Medical Center, 1984.

>>18909309
>>younger lady IS sending me money

plz don't dox me lol. accidental Paypal identity reveal.

>>18911959
You sure? My tradition outs jesus as a deceiver.

>>18911964
Bad news friendo; looks like print only:

http://www.worldcat.org/title/final-report-of-the-sunds-planning-project-a-summary-of-the-current-state-of-knowledge-about-sudden-unexpected-nocturnal-death-syndrome-occuring-in-southeast-asians-with-recommendations-for-research-and-community-action/oclc/11493990

>>18912005
Are there services that retrieve medical reports? It seems that it is a government report, it should be free of copyrights.

>>18911975
I don't plan on it.

>>18911978
K.

>>18912007
Copyright-free does not mean 'scanned and posted'.

Like, if you ask real nice MAYBE I can slip it on an interlibrary loan request and scan it....only 107 pgs.

>>18912018
I'm at a loss of what to do.

I'm not from the United States, and I don't have ILL access in my filthy Fourth World country. I do know there would be a fee for the service of scanning and posting.

I'm saying that it probably it is not illegal to scan it. I never used the ILL, how much do they charge for loans? How would a person not affiliated with a university get access?

I'm not exactly asking for *you* to do this.
Do you know of a company that would provide this service?

>>18912045
>Do you know of a company that would provide this service?
Colleges.
It's really not a problem for me to put in the request, but it might take a long time for me to actually get.

Thoth,
There are alot of things in this thread that shouldn't be readily available to common folks.

>>18912057
>implying I don't know that
>implying that's not the point
>implying I care

>>18912052
Well, I would gladly take your offer.

I'm that guy compiling the bibligraphy of the Monsters book by John Michael Greer. I have contributed a number of books that you uploaded to your library: Paranormal Experience and Survival of Death, Folklore of Ghosts which I scanned, and three Brill/Calcidius books (on Demons, Fate, Matter).

Eventually I will get through the entire bibliography, but this SUNDS report is being a tough nut to crack.

>>18912057
Sure, but would you leave the Enochian folder out?

>>18912057
Keep the knowledge away from the commoners!!

>>18909576
I mean, I don't think invoking Ba'al is such a great idea. Better to evoke imho senpai

>>18912085
Just put in the loan request.

>>18912057
>common folks

I don't see common folks.

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How important is egyptian magic for my curriculum as a newb? :3c

>>18912179
>>18912179
Thank you.

If you have interest on this book:
https://www.miskatonicbooks.com/product/ancient-texts-of-the-golden-rosicrucians-vol-1-limited-edition-hardcover/

Just tell me. It's on its way home and I can put it on the top of my scan list.

>>18912208
Yaaaas.

>>18912220
It seems I won't need to scan it. A copy is available on Library Genesis.

http://libgen.io/ads.php?md5=14ABB71F576BB821F769B3A63F0F00CB

Hey I just wanted to report back that I went with the Beeswax/ food grade mineral oil in a 1:4 ratio, and added plenty of woowoo, but no semen (yet) and just a dash of Abramelin. I essentially used the French Polish method to apply this stuff, which I'm not entirely sure paid off yet. It was still not completely dry when I left this morning, but very dark and the grain (oak) looks outstanding!

>>18912252
Neat, I should catch up on libgen uploads.

>>18912220
I need anything you have on African drums in ritual. One book had related spirits but I don't remember which.

I was looking thru Middle Pillar last night, and I noticed (IDK how I missed this before, maybe because I was Hebrew-inept) Regardie uses the English "S" to represent the Hebrew Tau...What's the deal here?

>>18912333
>333
>African drums in ritual
You're gonna have to wait until I get home.

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I'm living in an urban city student dorm with walls as thin as paper.
What's the best way to practice without getting caught or having to spend ages walking to go innawoods

>>18912518
Music major practice rooms. Lying and saying you're trying out for a play. Being that guy.

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>>18908786
>>18908786

>>18912527
>Being that guy
^^^^^

Give Zero Fucks.

>>18912530
Fuck off, Yeshuah.

>>18912530
>With my Hawk's head I peck at the eyes of Jesus as he hangs upon the cross

>>18912536
I keep seeing these orb-like things in the room I use for Ritual...They're just kinda...there, zipping around the room. Any thoughts on what the actual fuck they are? Thanks.

>>18912645
Try taking an HD picture I'd love to see them.

>>18912723
Nigga, I ain't buying a camera to satisfy the whims of some anon on 4chan!

Do any of you have any experience with the Microcosmic Orbit? I was horny as fuck, circulated the energy via the orbit and I seem to no longer want to fap.

>>18912825
>Microcosmic Orbit
Of? From?

>>18912759
Then, do you have a cell phone?

>>18912846
Flip phone, yeah. You can't even make out peoples' faces when I take pics so it won't do much good. It's actually a really good phone, in terms of being damage and water resistant. But I'm not even at my house and I don't have internet at my house, so just taking a pic, even if I had a decent camera, would require me to go home, take photo, come back (to work), upload photo on work computer. When all I'm really trying to do is find out if anyone knows what they are.

>>18912832
Mantak Chia

I want to start doing work with Lucifer - I got a strong pull to do it ages ago, but assumed I was just being an edgy person, so I basically just ignored it except for the occasional half-hearted eyes cast in that direction, but after the word I got for the equinox transnumerated into the english gematria for lucifer, and as I also become more assuaged of the assumption that I'm just trying to be an edgy fuck, I want to see what's going on there. Any suggestions? Good books on the subject? Lay it on meeee

>>18912536
Ape, on my local OTO's website, there is an article written by an individual called Frater 0=2...Is this a title? Or a Grade? Any idea what it means in this context? Thanks

>>18908786
hey im new here but is alchemy like how it is in the anime, "fullmetal alchemist"?

>>18912878
Grimorioum Verum has the goetic ritual. Most left-hand path material deals with it in one way or another, Order of the Morning Star is founded around Lumiel, and Chumbley just threw it all together in a big cauldron and let it simmer.

We're dealing with a Promethean archetype that came from a mistranslation in Isaiah and is often some fusion of every wisdom granting adversary west of Tehran. There are a lot of ways in. I'm working on a dream incubation, but it isn't anywhere near done and the sealing of the pact is not for the faint of heart and morally righteous.

>>18912919
It's like all the parts before all the shit happens, except it takes 50 years.

>>18912878
Meditate on his sigil >>18908972

Try to speak to him while visualizing his sigil and maybe he'll respond.

>>18912932
>the sealing of the pact is not for the faint of heart and morally righteous.
Go on lol

>>18912932
>except it takes 50 years
so are you saying it takes 50 years to use alchemy once?

>>18912857
I mean you don't have to it right now but something for future reference or whatever.

>orb-like things
Obviously entities. Which rituals do you perform in the room?

>>18912939
You've read accounts of initiation, right? It's carnal knowledge you're seeking. You're going to kiss goat ass or get dicked by satan or some spooky lad with eyes like stellar fire is going to come up to you and make you an offer you're (perhaps surprisingly knowing anons) going to want to refuse. Are you ready for that?

>>18912981
Spooky lad with stellar fire in his eyes, sounds like my future husband-to-be, where's he at? Lay it on me friendo

>>18909046
>Qwele
wtf is a Qwele

>>18912960
My girlfriend ( I know, shocking) *might* have a decent camera.
I assumed they were entities, just not sure which ones. They are usually blue, but I occasionally see black as well. The black ones are more point-like than anything, whereas with the bluish ones there is an actual spherical/orb-like appearance.
I perform all kinds of rituals in that room. Banishings, invocations, evocations, Qabalistic investigations...you name it.

>>18912888
>888
It's an assumed name, not a grade.
https://hermetic.com/crowley/magick-without-tears/mwt_05

>>18912998
Old spelling for qal(s), derived from qawwal.

Before you ask:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=qawls

>>18913003

Thank you, kind sir. So, like, does O.T.O. use the title "Brother" instead of "Frater"? If not, what's the Br. before someone's name mean?

>>18909046
>implying Kuwwals would give out their most sacred hymns to any non-Yezidi
We know for a fact that they're hiding a lot from us, probably to avoid being beheaded.

>>18912998
>type 'qwele yazidi' in google
>get a shitload of hits linking to an /omg/ thread

>>18913026
The book I have in the folder is the only academic text I could find with translations of them. And it's old af.

I'm 100% certain they're incomplete, but I'm also 100% certain they're better than that Black Book shit.

I mean, if you can refute the volume, go ahead, and I'll yank it.

>>18913039
It's probably my fault for using a term from like 1911's linguistic standards.

>>18912333
Bataa drumming - Yoruba - Orisha - West Africa
I could elaborate if you're still interested.

What is Rota and why does it seem to be used interchangeably with Tarot in my copy of Qabalah of Aleister Crowley?

>>18913132
T A R O
O R A T
R O T A
A T O R

https://youtu.be/qfYngTts8To

>>18913141
R O T A S
O P E R A
T E N E T
A R E P O
S A T O R

>>18913384
E R O S
R O S A
O S A R
S A R O

>>18912518

I had the same problem with neighbors while practicing mantra chanting. I find that the best way to do it is to cover up your chanting with some background noise. There are plenty of shamanistic drum tracks online right now, but any repetitive sound should be just fine as long as there isn't much variation (if any) in it. The repetitive sound can be helpful in reaching a trance/gnosis/astral projection by itself, and it should provide enough audio cover to make people think you're just listening to music. Then you can feel free to repeat mantras, chant Galdr, speak with entities, etc.
Of course, there are also times when the noise can get in the way. For those cases you'll just have to either suck it up and not care what people say about you or find a different location.

Also, if you're not paying very close attention to planets, moon phases, time of day, etc. you should also be able to figure out your peers' schedules and plan in accordance with that. However, many beginners (and even adept practitioners) find astrology helpful. In my opinion planetary magick is an unnecessary step once you reach a certain level of understanding -- attachment to the system may even be harmful in the long run -- but many people find it immensely helpful, so do with that what you will.

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>>18913379
Whoever this is..... thanks.

And, finally.... I found the love of my life.
He's a little older than me.
He's missing a tooth, but I think that gives him character.
His name is Henre, and he will be here in 3 days.
He's coming from Oklahoma to live with me.
When he gets here, I'm going to attempt an opening of the mouth rite for him.
I'm gonna give him some tobacco and rum and a nice bath.
I may give him some reddening.
So, hopefully soon I will have some pictures of Henre and his cauldron.
I'm just so relieved and excited that I found the perfect one for me and he's gonna be here soon!!

>>18913433
I'm glad for you, I hope he's a good one.

And good luck, play nice, no curses in the first week.

>>18913423

Why is it an issue for neighbors to hear? Do you guys live somewhere like the Deep South in the US where the Christists think everything non-"christian" is satanic?

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>>18913436
You know I can't promise that.
That's up to Henre.

I gotta work on his wax seal and firma soon. :)

>>18913433
I really need to find where the bodies are buried around here.

>>18913457
Like, slave graves? Or what?

>>18911264
It's in the previous /omg/, check the archive.

>>18913466
I'm not picky as long as it's secluded. It's going to take some cardio before I can get it done in a night though.

>>18913469
Well if you're not picky, it shouldn't be too hard to find where *some* bodies are buried.

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>>18913457
When you find out.... send me the pictures.

>>18913444

Sometimes when you're chanting and your neighbors start banging on the walls/ceiling/floor of the room you're in yelling "Shut up!" it can pull you out of that state of mind you've been setting up throughout your whole ritual practice.

Haven't you ever shared a wall with someone? Can't play loud music, can't learn to play an instrument, and you sure as hell can't perform a massive evocation ceremony without pissing one of them off.

But for the college kid, I mean, college kids can be petty, rude, and obnoxious. "Understanding of occult practice" isn't a requirement to get admitted in most universities. The entire education system (from my experience, going to a decent university in the Northern US) is filled with three types of people. One doesn't give a shit, and you don't have to worry about them. The second is fundamentalist thought, so you've got at the very least some Muslims and Christians who will end up spreading rumors about you or fucking with you (as college kids do). The last is the people who are militant atheists and will harass you about your freaky-deaky-witchy-spells and tell you how deluded you are.

Best way to avoid those people and situations is to be a little courteous and not have them listening to your shitty recital of the LBRP using vocal notes from some manuscript. ;)

i'm very new here & need advice on where to start to further my interests

>into psychedelics, taken medium doses of LSD & mushrooms, had mild revelations but i am looking for something more extreme i guess
>meditate often and have read prometheus rising, book 4 & be here now, tried many of the exercises from each with varying success
>mild knowledge of hermeticism, alchemy, etc. but have not gone to the "source" i guess

it's a start but would like to engage more thoroughly with literature and practice

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>>18913501
Walk the path of Gondolism.

>>18913501
>>18913510

cmon pls help

>>18913457
That's fucked up, dude!

But make sure you find one with an interesting backstory. An executed criminal would be cool. Or a love-lorn suicide. Does a skull's gender matter? They say Death is the great equalizer, after all.

P.S. is captcha being difficult for anyone else, or is that just me?

>>18913501

Don't pick a "path". Just start reading everything you can find. If you get a few pages in and it isn't interesting, it might be more interesting in the future after you've studied more. Subscribe to every occult youtube channel you can find, even the shitty ones. Practice what's in the books and figure out for yourself what's bullshit and what's legitimate.

There's a "beginners" section in the library that's in the OP. Start there and then figure out where you want to go. It takes time to start getting good, I had to study in-depth and practice constantly for nearly a decade before even my first satori experience. The benefits are wonderful, though. Just keep in mind that it's more of a lifestyle choice than a hobby.

Initiation Into Hermetics, The Kybalion, Liber Null & Psychonaut are common starting points, but if you're particularly interested in a specific topic /x/ usually will give good suggestions in my experience.

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>>18913518
This >>18913522, minus the bardon and atkinson. Find your own aesthetic. Western Zen isn't cool anymore so it's open for exploration.

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>>18913516
Shamanism.
Try the Shamanism folder in the mega.

You may be the type that gets into Ayahuesca, Musculero, Iboga.

>>18913501
>into psychedelics, taken medium doses of LSD & mushrooms, had mild revelations but i am looking for something more extreme i guess


Well take a high dose then

>>18913693
Drugs can only show you what is there, it's up to you to actually walk it on your own power.

>>18913707
That's true but sometimes people need to see what is "there" before they walk that path

Okay, so after years of reading about folklore and legends, thinking about fictional magic tomes and I never really thought they existed.

Then I found one. Marie Atwoods 'A suggestive inquiry into hermetic mystery' I didn't think anything of it at first, but I slowly delved into it and it out dawned on me. Here it was, a real occult tome, in my hands, and I bought it at half price books along with 'the magus', both reprints by a company out of the UK called lost library.

Its real isn't it? Magic. Not everyone can use it, it takes intense study and gnosis, and most people are too wrapped up in themselves and the material world. It can't change constants, things like physics and the nature of reality. But you can, through intense belief, change things can't you? Probability, statistics. Small things that can affect big things.

I've started to see more, small things out of the corner of my eye, things I'm not sure what to make of.

Am I going crazy? Or am I just finally waking up?

>>18913739
>That's true but sometimes people need to see what is "there" before they walk that path

The analogy I came up with before I took a good long break after some years of nonstop psychedelic abuse was that you need to see the crack of the door which you'd been mistaking for a wall. Once you know it's there, you don't need the drugs to figure out how to open it

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>>18913522
My introduction to the occult was watching The Craft as a teen, looking up spells online, and eventually buying a book on Wicca (see pic). I don't think I turned out too bad.

>>18913766
Weren't you recently a princess? What happened?

>>18913807
Traded my crown for even greater power, I guess.

Can someone here explain to me the idea of the third eye?

>>18914012
>third eye
Understanding, wisdom, knowledge, having great imagination/intelligence, having great awareness, having high clarity, perfect intuition, perceptive, etc etc

>>18914039
Thanks. Could you tell me more about it please? does everyone have one they could activate? if not how does someone know if they have one before activating it? but most importantly, could you tell me how to activate it?

>>18913757
You're really selling me on this book. What kind of things did you see out of the corner of your eyes

>>18913757
>I've started to see more, small things out of the corner of my eye, things I'm not sure what to make of.
Is it more of a seeing things as something they aren't, or a seeing things that aren't there kind of seeing things out of the corner of you eye? Just curious, I have no knowledge to offer you.

No /his/ thread Ape?

So I bought a small journal, and have been using it to write up a copy of rituals/etc. While obviously not ideal would it be a bad idea to keep the book, and actively read out of during the rituals? (Namely just LBRP, Lesser Ritual of the Hexagram, and the Middle Pillar Ritual so far)

>>18914674
I think it's fine but at some point you should have the basics memorized imo

>>18914681
No yeah, I don't plan on using it long term. Just as a crutch while learning the rituals. Thanks

so can I get some ap guides

You may have heard of draconian magic, it consists on disconnecting yourself from the god we are all connected to and seek your own apotheosis, growing spiritually in the process.

What are the best books on the subject?

>>18914797
No.
Find a tradition and use theirs.

>>18914893
>Apophasian gnosis
First of all what you describe was a concept first innovated by Aquino as Setian then back-applied to most 'darque' systems under various names.

Second, if you're talking about those Sitra Achra fags and Current 218 OR Karlsson's outfit the vast majority of it was either lifted from or inspired by Chumbley's .

The first ritual scripts for DBoE predate the founding of Current 218 and DR by almost a year.

>>18914991
Is there any current current that didn't come from CS? Everything I've read in the last couple years is either a straight ripoff or has the touch of Uncle Andy. I'm waiting for the fluffybunny or psych model iteration for maximum keks.

>>18915011
>any current current that didn't come from CS?
Get this:
Satyr and Joel B were speculating about the missing Anglican folkcraft tradition between Gauntlet and Romantic era and if maybe Spare and Crowley weren't entirely full of shit when talking about folk initiatory lines back when Kaos 14 was published. And even though it was published in 2002 much of the material had been cooking since '89. Satyr describes it as a retrospective rather than their contemporary thoughts (as evidenced by Joel's Daosim).

That reminds me:
https://www.lashtal.com/forums/topic/the-cult-of-the-ku/

https://www.jstor.org/stable/594297?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gu_(poison)

So in any case, no, any material after say 94 or 95 has been fundamentally influenced by Chumbley's work.

>>18914991
I kind of know, I also have my own theories and ideas, and I see "chakras" as a waste of time, still, I have the notion that you can do something in a kinda reverse spiritual path of enlightenment by running away from the demiurge and breaking the shell of entrapment.

>>18915025
>I see "chakras" as a waste of time
I don't know how that remotely applies to what I said but good luck without the Yogic work.

>you can do something in a kinda reverse spiritual path of enlightenment
Yeah, it's called being a basic pleb who barely exists between faps and vidya. I gave you the source of what you're looking for plus alternatives.

>by running away from the demiurge
I hope you realize that about half of the various "Gnostic" systems view the Demiurge as incompetent at worst repentant at best, where the Neoplatonists view the Demiurge as entirely benevolent.

>shells of entrapment
You break the Klipot via contemplation and shedding habits. This is what makes folks like Karlsson so asinine (sorta well read as he may be). They have no functional understanding of the Kabbalistic basis of the Shells.

>>18915032
>I don't know how that remotely applies to what I said

Oh, didn't you know? It's chakras now, for draconian initiation.

>I know this and you're a fag

Thoth, I don't want to preach to you, but I don't work with theories and theologies, but rather from experience, my experience may differ from what you know about gnosticism.

>qliphoth

No, not that, look, a quote for you:

"The bird fights its way out of the egg. The egg is the world. Who would be born must first destroy a world. The bird flies to God. That God's name is Abraxas."

It's kind of a liberating notion I have, through a reverse spiritual work to undo the work of entrapment of the demiurge.

But I work from my personal experience, which you don't know, Ape.

It's hilarious because each time I get a new book or lead, the guy is a shithead on my eyes.

>>18915036
>It's chakras now, for draconian initiation.
?
From which system? Be clear. There is no single monolithic "Draconian" system.

>but I don't work with theories and theologies
Good for you? I work from fifteen plus years of practical experience.

>which you don't know, Ape.
Yeah, sure, I'm just an armchair occultist despite, again, fifteen plus years of practical experience across multiple iterations of multiple systems.

If you already know all the answers why are you trying to play twenty questions with me?

>>18915043

What I'm saying is that you don't know my experiences, Ape, and you're matching them with the theology you know which won't cut it in my case, because you haven't been told what I have experienced.

I'm joining pieces here, i don't know everything.

>>18915066
Nor do you know mine, or exactly how much is parallel to established tradition, which makes it odd that you're trying to invalidate my recommendations based on your experience while chastising me for giving answers from my own perspective.

>>18915023
Howard had pretty interesting historic reports in Children of Cain, enough at least to suggest that it isn't all entirely reconstructed. The American side has enough cults that sprang up fully formed and conjure is about as black as Crowley's coffee.

On to the other question, of we count the offshoots like DR and OoP as fluffybunny bullshit by all the self help built into the system, where is the hardline materialist interpretation? Coming out of Spare and chaos, you could say it already is but you aren't cool until someone who doesn't get it at all tries to work it.

>>18915074
I wanna see that sabbatick mysterie for soccermoms.

For Ape:

Preliminary experiences:

Certain indications that I was posessed, though at that time I was atheist and just thought it was something else (thoughts would appear on my mind, certain energy flows that I learnt later belong to the thing).

The big experience:

Henosis: I experienced union with God.

The pitfall: Past this point I made numerous mistakes as I came from an atheist life and wasn't sure where I was going to, my first mistake was my next step, practicing hinduism, this ended in severe spirit molestations, rape and worsening of posession. After this I went christian, as I thought I was just mistaken in my faith and I was being punished. It went very bad for my and my family almost went bankrupt, I may not have been molested as gravely as before, but it seemed like my spirit was dying as I was losing even emotions.

The first peek: Tired of this scam, I pondered a lot how this religion seemed to be killing my spirit and thought to myself how ignoring its commandments and behaving more like the devil would be better, I felt rejuvenated that moment.

The satanic moment: I decided to say with my mouth "save me Satan", I actually felt something inside me, salvific even.

Discovery of gnosticism: found about gnosticism, started reading.

Finding Him: Found the name Abraxas, it seems to giver me some power over the posession, with the name I can clear my head for example of the strange fog he pours on my mind, this fog he puts makes me half asleep, very drugged, as if it were an antipsychotic, the name seems to clear it.

Meditation also helps.

Other notes: So it seems like "hell" seems benefical spiritually, and I was considering doing an inverse run, provided I find an actually decent guide.

Have I explained the whole thing better? Also I have yet to find a tradition that can help me with the posession. I tried some herbs to no avail.

>>18915068

I'm not saying you're wrong, merely that you don't know what I was going on, I do not doubt you, in fact, I've compiled a list of some of my experiences so you can better get an idea.

I've omitted a few things for lack of memory:

-Saw a girl in a night scene with wolves during meditation, the wolves were friendly, the girl naked and pretty and white and brown haired.
-Some people attacked me, entered my dreams and raped the girl in my dream.

>>18915025
>chakras are a waste of time

Part of your "liberation" might involve not being so reactionary about pop cultural manifestations of spirituality just saying

>>18915150

I might be saying that because on dreams I had after experiencing trances I saw the so called energy centers and they firstly weren't located where people claim, but in the stomach, nor where they whorls of energy, but rather some kind of ethereal buttons that I pressed as if they were a keyboard.

I said chakras are a waste of time because of how much has been written about them with ever increasing descriptions that are ever increasingly grandiloquent when they would be something else entirely, which is the impression I got of the "spirit buttons".

Here's a vid of one of Neil Whitehead's students going to the cave in Guyana that is considered sacred to the Kanaima.

It is very likely the group was stalked the entire time. They talk about the bone repository that Whitehead found but don't go near it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrFQIxNxhfE&feature=youtu.be

>>18913522
>IIH
>Kybalion
Then you can get LOTR and become Gandalf!

>>18914216
Small things, shadows primarily, small humanoid ones... The book incredibly deep, it was the author and her father were deeply religious occultists, at one point they both agreed to work on a separate project, her a manuscript that breaks down and details Hermeticism, and him a long poem epic. He had so much trust in his daughter he published her book without reading it, and upon receiving a release copy he was furious to see how many sacred secrets she revealed. He bought every copy and burned them, along with his poem in a massive bonfire on the front lawn. Only a handful survived.
>>18914341
Sometimes I set something, and part of me says "that was just a weird piece of wood or garbage..." but I no longer believe it.

Its not just finding a book that's opened my eyes, I've been an atheist a long time but for some reason lately I've began doubting what I once thought of as the truth. Reality isn't static, belief and will can change it more so than humanity realizes...

>>18913433
Congrats ;)

Opening of the Mouth sounds like something I shoulda done with mine when it got here; thanks for the idea.

>>18915321
On a scale of 1-10 (1 being poor, 10 being good) how good an idea is it to just start consecutively evoking the Lemegeton, all of them (not without legitimate requests, I might add)?

>>18915243
Did attitudes on /x/ change a lot regarding these? I recall IIH being an immediate suggestion for beginners only a short time ago. Regardless, IIH and Kybalion are reliable primers on some foundational occult philosophy, which really can be more important to read than random grimoires and ritual instructions.

>>18915334
I mean, I'm fairly new here (within the past year) and that's my personal feeling about those texts. I know I'm not the only one. I feel Franz Bardon was a LARPer more or less, and I guess for some people he's their first intro to anything that even remotely works, so that's cool n all...Kybalion is some New Age woowoo so far as I can tell. Not that it's *completely* useles...there are just better books out there.

>>18915333
>333
I dunno, like a three or four with no other context or reason than "just because".

>>18915334
IIH is trash.
I've spoke out against it since like 2011.
/fringe/ decided it was the END ALL BE ALL of occultism. It's not.

IIH and Kybalion are NOT reliable primers on anything Hermetic or Initiatory. They contradict the Corpus Hermeticum and associated texts. They offer no coherent initiation system. They offer no historicity. Kybalion is almost entirely "New Thought" with the word Hermetic slapped on. Neither are they philosophical, at least in the sense of Chaldean Oracles' theogony.

If you think either of those books are "more important" than the "random grimoires" which actually make up the backbone of our concern, you can politely fuck off from the thread, please and thanks.

>>18915348
>/fringe/
More like /cringe/, honestly.

>>18915334
>reliable primers on some foundational occult philosophy
Dogma et Ritual de Haute Magie would be a far better starting point, I think. But /fringe/ hates any occult text that mentions God (omg its teh demiurge!!!11).

>>18915357
Honestly, while I don't think it's healthy to limit oneself to a single authority, nor would I recommend anyone do so, most (if not all) of what the novice needs to know can be found in the Crowley corpus

>>18915364
B-B-BUT HE'S A TOP SEKRIT *KIKE* DEEJENURATE

I obviously know more than he did even though I dropped out of high school to shitpost about greenpills and he was working on problems in formal logic.

>>18915374
Shh.. don't let the common folk know he was a (J-O-O)

>>18915089
>>18915095

Ape, did I hurt you or something? I was merely saying that you couldn't comment properly because you weren't aware of my experience, not that you weren't experienced yourself.

Fucking mages, man, so easy to hurt their feelings.

>>18915384
Nah he just doesn't answer every question. My best guess, based on certain of my questions he has ignored, is that he doesn't want to waste his time, or get stuck arguing with anonymous people over petty shit on the internet when he has a life, a job, school, and a pretty jampacked ritual schedule...considering how much time he already spends here helping people out.

What's the deal with "Law of One" and why does it read like a bunch of Scientologist horse-pucky? Opinions are appreciated

>>18915379
Too late!

>(((Crowley)))

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>>18915348

I'd wager to guess you're one of those that does everything by the book. If you know anything about the occult, which I assume you do, you know that the rituals in your precious black books are moreso symbolic representations of various things. None of them have magic on their own, that comes from the magician. Reading random grimoires is fine for inspiration, sure, but I would list it as an optional step at best. For the most part, self-made spells have a superior sympathetic link with the magician and it would simply be foolish to encourage people to fill their heads with other people's spells which probably are going to have a low success rate in comparison to ones with a more personal touch. As for IIH and Kybalion, they present valid views within occult philosophy in a very reader-friendly and beginner-friendly way. They're good for the basic basics.

If there's anything that I've learned from doing martial arts, it's that the fundamentals are the most important part of your training. Being as I have personally seen very little value in searching through old grimoires full of sympathetic links to some random old magician, and I am not so pigheaded as to reject things which fall from tradition on that basis alone, I do think those books are more valuable than a ritual cookbook any day of the week. Hell, Alan Watts lectures on Youtube are probably more valuable.

I don't personally give a damn about the corpus hermeticum, initiation systems, or historicity. Adherence to old texts for the sake of adherence to old texts is fallacious thought. Initiation systems are just bribes to get people to join "MUH SECRET SOCIETY SPECIAL CLUB", and have no relevance in metaphysics or magick (besides a slight psychological boost). And history? The ideas of modern times are not degradations of the past, they are improvements on its foundation. To say otherwise is to reject the entire premise of practicing an occult science.

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>>18915585
Why would, referring specifically to the two books in question, you want a watered down hodgepodge of beliefs and practices that completely misrepresent the form and function of the context they were pulled from when the primary sources are available? Why would you want books that aren't what they say they are? What would cause you to take the word of some fuck over a technical manual written by a lineage holder in an established living tradition?

I have no problem with practice outside of established canons, as that's where I base my work from, but the shit some people peddle is outright intellectual dishonesty. Cite your sources, represent them properly, point out what is your own conjecture and explain the basis of it. No idea what she thinks, probably that you wrote word salad garbage with zero context to be able to discuss within the contextual space of established frameworks.

>>18915585
>history? The ideas of modern times are not degradations of the past, they are improvements on its foundation. To say otherwise is to reject the entire premise of practicing an occult science.

Ok but if you're rejecting the idea that something is automatically better because it's historical, you also need to reject the notion that there's this automatic trajectory of improvement. They're both illogical for the same reason, which is that a systems position in time doesn't confer on it special status

>>18915621

>Why would, referring specifically to the two books in question, you want a watered down hodgepodge of beliefs and practices that completely misrepresent the form and function of the context they were pulled from when the primary sources are available?
The primary sources are available. Go to those if you want to. Realization of enlightenment can come from any source. Why would I concern myself with traditional thought? I am much more interested in the aberrant thinkers. All great men have been aberrant thinkers, and all great men sway from tradition. The commentary on practice and changes made by some magicians on traditional systems, whatever they claim to be, cannot be discounted simply due to their deviance from the standard path. So what if I write a book about Taoist alchemy and label it hermeticism? As long as it contains even a sentence which may be helpful in the future, it is a valid source.

>Why would you want books that aren't what they say they are?
What's in a name? Not much.

>What would cause you to take the word of some fuck over a technical manual written by a lineage holder in an established living tradition?
I wouldn't take their word OVER another's, but I wouldn't discount it either. Buddha said:

"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.”

>>18915644
yeah, it's not like the ancients were onto something writing shit the way they did. It's probably way better just to LARP

>>18915644
The first two attempts at a rebuttal are garbage. The Buddha quote was aimed specifically at a certain city of very pious and intellectual citizens who actually knew what the fuck he was talking about and not any of us.

>>18915374
Ape, do you see any value in joining the Masons as a member of O.T.O? Or are they basically Diet, caffeine-free O.T.O? (I'm not asking about you personally doing it, just someone in general)

>>18915642

Writings from recent times have an advantage. They can respond to older writings. The older writings and authors cannot offer any response. So the newer writings have a fundamental advantage over the older ones, not to say that they're automatically better but they do have a boost. As there are hundreds, thousands of occult books out there, it's all about the likelihood that you'll run into good information. Simply put, more recent publications have a higher statistical chance of providing good information.

The kybalion vaguely attributes all of its contents to Hermes Trismigestus which like, ??? But that total lapse in historical accuracy aside, it laid a foundational primer for me when I was transitioning from "psychedelic drug eating vague Buddhist with a half assed meditation practice" to working within a western occult system. Their 10 hermetic principles, while not exactly hermetic, were useful to me in terms of making the rest of the thought in western tradition more accessible.

Bardon's IIH, it gave me a solid framework to begin a meaningful practice in a step by step way. It's a structure for a basic meditation practice, laid down the ground work for invocation, and his black mirror white mirror thing is a good tool for personal reflection and undoing. Not defending its validity as an initiatory or hermetic system, but I'm sure there is some "there" there in terms of using it as a practical starting point for someone with no occult context

>>18915656
It's also worth noting that it comes from the collection of discourses to convert idiots and is propaganda.

>hey these really smart people said the whole thing was hot shit and converted

Appeal to authority, which is funny considering your entire argument there.

>>18915658
>I don't personally give a damn about the corpus hermeticum, initiation systems, or historicity.

This is all we need to know about you, right here, to realize even having this discussion is an ENORMOUS waste of time and energy.

>>18915658
I see your point but respectfully disagree. Newer traditions also face the disadvantage of being potentially unable to sort signal from noise, as the noise increases as we move forward in this Information Age. They both have respective advantages and disadvantages, that's all I'm saying. Just because a new tradition has access to good tradition from the past, there's no guarantee they're going to successfully implement that information to create their traditon

>>18915671
Appeal to Authority is not a fallacy when the topic being discussed can be independently verified separately from said authority. Furthermore, it really only counts when referencing a statements outside of said "authority's" authority.

>>18915675
As I said before, following a "path" is a mistake. Adherence to any system, hermetic qabalah or otherwise, is foolish. The only things in magick which have any value are those which get results. Teen witch books might have more successful spells than goetia. Magick is highly individualistic, and you're not going to accomplish anything serious by following some other magician's path or by adhering strictly to a certain set of traditions. If Bardon's magick works, it works. Your fetishization of historical lineage cannot possibly compel me or any intelligent person.

>>18915678
It's a tripfag quoting propaganda like it's some deep shit to live by.

>>18915687
You're still retarded so I guess bardon isn't useful for completing the Great Work.

>>18915694
A nigga that ain't never heard of syncretism, and has a shady understanding of adherence, apparently

I think it's all about what weilds power in the mind of the practitioner. The historically oriented would find that something rooted in history wields more power for them

>>18915694

I see you've been trying to invoke the gods of witty retorts. You might want to switch up your practice a bit, it doesn't seem to be working.

>>18915700
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you Profane bitch? I’ll have you know I'm the Initiated Gyrecarl of my Quadrigia in the Nameless Companie of the Serpent Cross, and I've been involved in numinous clandestine Esbats of the Synastral Covine and I have over 300 confirmed recitations of the mantic formulæ. I am trained in the Rites of the Crooked Path and I'm the top Karcist in Blood-Acre entire. You are nothing to me but just another You are nothing to me but just another False Idol for the Iconoclast. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before through the Mysts of Elphame, mark this fucking Wytchtonge. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the internet, think again, Opfer. As we speak I am skrying my secret bloodline of the Mighty Dead across the Eld and your Aetheryic Residuum is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, muggle. The storm of Wytchfyre that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your praxis. You’re fucking dead, Childe. My Shadow Selves can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my Rootwork. Not only am I extensively trained in Wortcunning, but I have access to the entire manuscript archive of Alogos Dhul'Qarnen Khidir, and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable speculations off the face of the occult publishing market, you little shit. If only you could have known what Draconian retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have nailed your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit Abrosial Poison all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking Exiled, hedgewitch.

>>18915687
Well you wouldn't like me much, because, in addition to my fetish about lineage and historicity, I also have fetishes regarding spelling words correctly, and not just shitting everywhere constantly.

>>18915699
If this is true, go do Enochian using strictly Goetic techniques (but make sure to *believe* it works!) and report back on your success.

>>18915708
You must be in a constant state of arousal then, what with how rarely people just shit all over things in public

>>18915713
HARD 24/7

>>18915709
Thinking that magickal systems exist and have value and also thinking that your level of conviction can play a part in your success are not mutually exclusive, soooo no?

>>18915715
I'm kinkshaming you

>>18915720
I don't doubt that conviction level *can play a part* But I disagree with what psychonaut says about how "it's all about belief and intent and the specific actions performed in the ritual are just to intoxicate the mind" which is where I thought you were going with this.

>>18915725
It turns me on even more.

>>18915708

I'm not here to spite you or anything. Just a friendly push so that you all can get on my level. I don't waste time with traditions and tomes anymore. If I need something I can journey at any time and contact any one of many entities which can give me the information that I need. Your sources don't mean shit if they don't get you results, and if you have good results you shouldn't have to reference your sources anymore.

>>18915733
Thanks but i'm not particularly interested in getting on "your level," especially if what you have provided here is any indication of just what that means.

>>18915727
I don't generally reduce magick to a wholly psychological model, but I do appreciate the bit that Lon milo duquette has where he's like "yeah it's all in your head, you just have no idea how big your head is." So if we're operating under the premise that the definition of psyche can being extended to like, the entire system of reality, then...yes the psychological model makes sense. But if not, no.

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People arbitrarily shit talk each other to further their enslavement to a lower energetic existence rather than putting that effort in to advancing themselves and others to higher existences.

>>18915658
>more recent publications have a higher statistical chance of providing good information

How do I stop swimming in broken unpractical made up useless shit, then?

>>18915754
Cute gif

>>18915733
Out of curiosity, what rites do you use to contact the various entities, if you don't utilize standard rites?

>>18915754
On the next episode: guy shows up with a gif to do the exact same thing, but with an air of being above it all!

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>>18915687
Dude shut up. It's not "following a path", it's called having a firm classical foundation. If you want to be taken seriously as an artist, you should have an understanding of the classics; this is true for every art form, not just magick.

Yes, I understand you don't want to practice magick the way John Dee or Eliphas Levi did, and there's no reason you should have to. But you can't forge your own path if you don't even know where the trail starts.

>>18915763
Mostly now I have an intense meditation regimen. There is a small altar that I use to meditate on the symbols of various entities, but it doesn't see much use. My preferred method is to leave the body and contact them without the ceremony. In doing so I come to them as a friend and equal, and there is no master-servant relationship involved. In truth, I find most standard evocation methods deeply insulting to the integrity of certain entities. Trust me, they will be willing to work with you diligently if you go to them with respect.
As for specific incantations, ritual pieces, and so on -- I sometimes use those in specific instances, and I gather/write them to suit those specific situations. For example, I have a ritual for the sole purpose of contacting King Paimon and it's very different than what I would use to speak to, say, Astarte.

>>18915777
Exactly why I've been saying to practice everything that you find and discern what's bullshit from what's legitimate for yourself. There comes a point where you go beyond what Dee or Crowley wrote about. I'm all for reading everything that you can, studying how every system works and integrating whatever works into your own practice. But following systems beyond their point of usefulness is foolish and you know it.

Hello guys!

I got a question. Well, just like all of you, I would like to practice magic. Yet, I would like to put aside all the knowledge that is concerned to “dark/black magic”. To be honest, that topic makes me nervous. Also, I would like to use that knowledge to help people [As far as I know, using “dark/black" magic has consequences?]. Can you recommend me books that are in this virtual library or in other parts of the internet that could guide me to learn White Magic? Thanks in advanced for your help. :)

>>18915834
So, you don't banish or anything? Or invoke the planetary powers, &c. of the entity in question? you're claiming to be beyond Dee and Crowley? wat?

>>18915687
>As I said before, following a "path" is a mistake. Adherence to any system, hermetic qabalah or otherwise, is foolish. The only things in magick which have any value are those which get results.
>The only things in magick which have any value are those which get results.


>not realizing people get results and learn by adherence to a system, group or whatever and will move on if it becomes unfit for their benefit

>trying to tell people what to do and shape their understanding instead of concentrating on your own
i shiggy diggy

>>18915841
The main thing is that there's no actual dividing line between white/black. It's mostly what you use it for. Some say any magic that's not employed with the ultimate goal of attainment is Black. What specifically are you interested in? Just a general introduction? If so, The Middle Pillar by Israel Regardie isn't a bad place to start...

What's a good place to start for an initiate? I'm interested in planetary magic, but I don't know where to get a reliable chart. I'm familiar with the occult primarily from an academic standpoint and have only recently made the jump, as it were.

Ideally I'm trying to avoid invoking, evoking and summoning. I new at this, and I know I have low willpower, so I want to avoid attracting entities.

Is their a tradition I can study that has strong protections and blessings? I'm looking to protect my house, loved ones etc... Ideally with my own strength and not with 'outside' help.

>>18915851
>avoid invoking, evoking and summoning
What were you hoping to use it for? If you want to avoid these things, I'm not sure what you can really do, magick might not be for you...on the other hand, if you have fear based on misconceptions that will be easy to clear up. You don't have to evoke necessarily, but invocation is gonna be pretty important.

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>>18915841

Black Magic is any magic performed without the express consent of *all* parties involved, which means that even "healing" someone could be considered a malicious act. Of note, is that chemotherapy (toxic on its own) can be used to treat cancer. Check your preconceived notions at the door, because they won't be of use down the rabbit hole. Learn everything, and use it as you see fit to live in a manner agreeable to you. First things first, I'd suggest Crowley' Books 1-4, Kali Kaula, Visual Magick, Low Magick, Mystical Qabala, Psychic Self Defense, Revolt Against the Modern World, The Fourth Way, Complete Golden Dawn, Secret Teachings of All Ages, and Prometheus Rising. Pick whatever suits your fancy after that.

>>18915851
>I don't know where to get a reliable chart.

What kind of chart? You mean like, a calendar showing the positions of planets on a given date?

You should check this page out: http://www.astro.com/swisseph/swepha_e.htm

What is the best way to gain talent and fame? I imagine money will come with that but I'd like to make clear I have no interest in that. I've reached a breaking point where I have begun to do things I would never do in my right mind and imagine I am going to be like this the rest of my life. It's actually very comforting. I'm willing to give my blood, others blood, anything to put me in the history books. Is summoning old gods right for me or am I going down the wrong path for my goals?

>>18915847

I don't banish my friends, no, not unless I have to. Ideas about space and time are really too elementary for me to care about at this point. After years of practice, my conclusion is that astrology and planetary magick are good beginner's tools but ultimately unnecessary.

In reality, time is nothing more than a relative distance between objects. I reject the notion that there is such a thing as a distinct object (Avadhuta;Spinoza;Zhuangzi;Ashtavakra;Nagarjuna), and so the concept of time is really not relevant to me. For planetary magick to make sense, it must be based on some sort of system of time (hence preferred seasons, days of week, moon phases, etc); but as the premise of a linear timeline is, from what I can tell after years of philosophical study and mystic practice, ultimately an incorrect understanding of reality I don't use any planetary powers or anything like that.

I have a short invocation of the formless void, the progenitor of all being, followed by invocations of various elements (as they are just building blocks). All entities serve the same fundamental forces and cannot escape their imposition, and that has been very helpful when I choose to perform evocation -- though, as I said, I prefer to meet them on their own terms.

>>18915882
>must be based on some sort of system of time
Like, when the planets are certain places in the sky? Because you can reject time, that's fine, but the planets are still going to be in their relative positions regardless...

Does anyone know a good program for ripping pdf pages into images, and then compiling images back into a pdf?

I'd like to edit a few books to make them more Kindle-friendly.

>>18915882
Also, if you rekect the concept of distinct objects, how come it doesn't reflect in your writing? I know people who reject the concept of self, and it shows quite clearly in their speech and writing. I mean, there's rejecting a concept theoretically, and actually rejecting a concept...

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>>18908786
>Greer's new "Ritual and Doctrine" translation, now placed in the Levi folder
thanx for that.
pic unrelated

>>18915899

Why? Because I use words such as "I" and "you"? Oh, sure, I could go prance around India naked, speaking like the yogis do. But I don't reject the illusion of maya, I only recognize that it is an illusion. Living in the world, after all, is really quite fun.

>>18915870
Why? Can't I learn to do these things on my own power? I thought work intense study and meditation I could achieve levels of gnosis and learn truths on my own.

>>18915875
Badly worded, I mean more like an association between planetary bodies and metals, emotions, etc. Like what planet is good to do a luck spell under, when and where it should be in the sky

>>18915914
I mean yeah if that's what you're looking for you should be good... I thought you wanted to... IDK what I thought you wanted to be honest.

>>18915913
>illusion of maya
is not an illusion of illusion in fact a non-illusion?

>>18915925
I guess I wanna know what books or traditions would be a good place for me to start that focus inwards instead of outwards.

>>18915942
IDK man when I think planetary I mainly think invocations, evocations, and the like. Even utilizing someone's birth chart to do magic is generally going to require some sort of invocation as far as I know. What kinda inwards stuff are we talking?

>>18915954
>man
or lady!
You could start by learning Tarot I guess

>>18915954
Man is correct

I don't really know either, I guess I don't even know what questions to ask yet. I don't know what I don't know.

I've only very recently began to open myself up to 'real' occult thought after being a fascinated skeptic for my whole life.

I'm coming into this with a lot of biases I know, Catholic upbringing sorta does that to you, no matter how well you thought you shook it off. I'm scared to try anything that relies on anything other than my own will and belief.

Anyone know why "The blood of the Moon" is considered the first choice rather than the Elixir in the Cakes of Light? What am I missing?

>>18915970
“30. If Will stops and cries Why, invoking Because, then Will stops & does nought.
31. If Power asks why, then is Power weakness.”

>>18915999
Thanks, but I consider it the same as doing a ritual without knowing the purpose of the ritual...because that is indeed what it would be.

>>18915902
You're very welcome.

>>18915891
A few things on Linux; pdfmod, plus imagemagick (lol at the 'k').

>>18915848
Yeah, I've noticed that people who gripe a lot about other people's work have little time for their own.

>>18915841
see
>>18915850

>>18915851
>academic
>initiate
Pick one.

>Planetary
Start on Agrippa.

>avoid evokation, etc.
If you want pure planetary you're gonna work with the entities associated with the planets, BUT Greater Key of Solomon has lots of seal work.

>protection and blessing
Probably any given folk tradition.

>>18915848
He's just a fool making bold claims with zero evidence. If he's beyond Dee and Crowley then he should clearly make academically sound refutations of both of their systems in painstaking detail.

>>18915777
>777
>But you can't forge your own path if you don't even know where the trail starts.
And the ladyboi nails it! This is the great pitfall of Chaos Magick. As Crowley said: "The best way to operate is without rules, but you must understand the rules to break them."

>>18915759
Very qt.

>>18915733
My sources get me results just fine and you seem SUPER [triggered] that I advocate for a grounding in historicity.

>>18915698
^^^

>>18915658
>Writings from recent times have an advantage
Potentially.

>can respond to older stuff
CERTAINLY ain't the case with Kybalion and IIH which don't even begin to address the loose ends of Hermetica.

>New is good
Only if it's written by someone not retarded. Fetishizing the new is just as stupid as fetishizing the old.

>>18915657
Depends on what you want, really.

>>18915585
>I'd wager to guess you're one of those that does everything by the book.
You'd be surprise.

>you know that the rituals in your precious black books are moreso symbolic representations of various things
What's black about them and why do you assume a symbolic pyschological model for something as deeply literal as Grimorium Verum?

>>18916024
Because the Blood of the Moon does not seem to match up with the stated purpose of the consumption of the Cakes. Using that quote outside of its appropriate context seems to advocate excessive dogma and following blindly... I don't think that's what was intended by it?

>>18916028
Blood of the Moon is seasonal, the Elixir is on tap.

>>18915585
>None of them have magic on their own, that comes from the magician
It comes from the Union of the Magician and his or her or xir context.

>Reading random grimoires is fine for inspiration
The fact that you assume grimoire consumption is more "random" than your half baked elaborations is fuckin' hilarious.

>As for IIH and Kybalion, they present valid views within occult philosophy in a very reader-friendly and beginner-friendly way
They literally don't even come close.
>Fluid magnetism
>The Tarot
>Tattwas
All mangled harder by IIH than the Golden Dawn could ever hope to fuck up. Kybalion lists "fundamental" principles that aren't even in LATE Hermetica.


>If there's anything that I've learned from doing martial arts, it's that the fundamentals are the most important part of your training.
Black belt here, I'd ABSOLUTELY agree.
And I'd rather learn those fundamental from someone with a valid provable chain of instruction than from Jim-Bob down at the fucking Rec.

>and I am not so pigheaded as to reject things which fall from tradition on that basis alone
Nor am I but I'm VERY inclined to reject people who speak loudly saying nothing, or make claims with like zero elaboration or substantiation (i.e. you).


>I don't personally give a damn about the corpus hermeticum, initiation systems, or historicity
see
>>18915675
If you don't care, again I ask you to politely fuck off into your own thread instead of shitting in ours.

>Initiation systems are just bribes to get people to join "MUH SECRET SOCIETY SPECIAL CLUB"
Yeah, except all those VALID INITIATION SCRIPTS I constantly post, for free, outside of Order structures. But of course noticing this would entail complex activities, like reading and/or paying attention which are obviously pleb things that are beyond your enlightened concern.

>and have no relevance in metaphysics or magick
Then you'd have zero issue giving me a series of knowledge lectures on them which substantiate this claim?

>>18916036
Thank you very mucho.

>>18915585
>To say otherwise is to reject the entire premise of practicing an occult science
I *EMPHATICALLY* do *NOT* reject the idea we can 'improve'.

I ***EMPHATICALLY*** reject the idea that a system can be improved by someone who doesn't understand, reference, or care about they system they assert to be improving, and that Bardon is an example of good solid hard nosed elaboration which builds on ANY foundation at all.

>>18916050

>>18915649

Can somebody explain the goal and method of the dragon book of essex and the background belief needed to achieve it? Somebody told me it was like Spare, but I can't make any sense of it. Give me an elevator speech on chumbley.

>>18916059
Yes, sorry, that's valid, but I've been sitting on my reply to dude since my HRM course.

>>18915392
>four hours HR work entailing research for on behalf of a PhD candidate, payroll, guiding a young woman through our accession software
>four hours of class including Panoan ethnography, Tupian migrations, and being given the opportunity to do fieldwork with the inheritors of Neil Lancelot Whitehead by my professor, the esteemed Dr. [redacted].
>also including legal analyses of various policy cases when I'm not even trained as a paralegal and each answer in the case studies were trick questions that required rulings to answer (we were trying to reconstruct cases)
>morning solar worship plus contemplation
>noontide solar worship plus short contemplation
>recitation of some Hoebeo clan songs

So yeah, pardon me if I don't get around to answering your specific question.

>>18916076
Na I hear ya man, I just wanted to make sure you saw it for the Lels. I was rather hoping to get your take on the situation anyway.

>>18916036
>>18916049
Also remember that the dropping of the host of heaven is Kala.

>>18916073
The goal of DBoE is the stellar initiation to Apophis. The method is ritual with some decent contemplations mixed in. It is, in fact, like Spare. ctrl+f "living truth" in DBoE to get a sense of how Spareian it is.

>background
At bare minimum? GD, Thelema, Afro-Syncretic, and at least one flavor of Tantra, to get you started.

An elevator speech won't cut it here.

>>18916096
>hoping to get your take
>>18916026
>And the ladyboi nails it! This is the great pitfall of Chaos Magick. As Crowley said: "The best way to operate is without rules, but you must understand the rules to break them."

>>18915942
could you be more specific?
depending on what you're lloking for check mastering the core techniques of the buddha or the complete golden dawn maybe

>>18916097
>GD, Thelema
I know what I won't be exploring, I can't hack the jew math

>>18916123
Suit yourself.

>>18916112
There are a bajillion things one could do, which is yet another reason why I generally won't answer vague questions.

If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times; this library and thread isn't particularly for beginners. I sorta expect you to have read a couple books and to be able to use google before interaction.

>>18916136
I've spent years trying to into gematria and just can't care. OCD isn't aesthetic.

>>18916136
Anything on Vama Marg in the library?

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>>18912759
do it for yourself, fag. also, post pics

Any opinion on Jason Miller's Pillar and Spheres exercise? I'm thinking of replacing the Middle Pillar with it.

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>>18916212
I don't exactly need to take pics of something I already see in real life. But thanks for the well-considered recommendation

Thoughts on Francis Barrett's The Magus? Is that a good occult primer?

>>18915834
I m agree with you, i don t know if you are really at this level of mastering, but at leat, we can say that your understand the purpose of great master as bouddha and other. Just to precise, but it s kinda important. Invokation, evokation can just make a contact with being on our plan. It s mean the entities you call is necessary from one of the four elements (i don t talk about shell as i believe even there worst from them don t have a lot of power, the realisation that happen from kind of ritual is more from the class of the four) So do you make a difference from the entities sometime you invoke and the one you to see up?
Our humanity is the number five. each humanity have a way to attain enlightement. Magus is a way of enlightement that was already seen in the fourth humanity. So it s not our way of enlightement and that is important to understand our way. Our way is the way that the bouddha show.
The only thing you need, it s purify your body, have an accurate and precise definition of everything, because everytime you will have a precise and true image of something, is everytime your mana go in bodi. and more your body is pure more your mana can go up n bodi and attains one day atma.
My thoughts. I only focus on philosophy. I look at for a long long time at an explanation of the whole. I feel like i get like a kind of blueprint of the world, now i only read to precise small part of the all (Grand master everytime say you have to know the one to know the multiple as you have to know the general to know the particular. In a certain point you don t keep reading to keep trying to know, you read as a painter look aan art from another painter. He know pencil, paint, oil everything, he look to see how, the painter, make his world from all this material. In certain point you know what you have to done, just give yourself for another and stop everything is addcitive (yes surely in gradation, because food is an addiction),

>>18916258
Insightful anon. May I ask what country you hail from?

keep learning this time on particularity, and when you will be pure and wisdom, the great master will come to see you and at this time you will learn magick ritual. It s just logical to think every book on magick you can find is child book as the power involved can destroy several earth if it s not in the hand of a self controlled master, that why before to get the whole key you have to show self control. That why every guy go to this kind of magick have the result to reveal all is weakness to give him possibilties. When you decide to go on this way, everything is a test. I truly think that ape have a good wisdom and full respect him, but i can t think that a system based on Crowley work is a good system as his system and him was far from perfect even if he was on the way (i m not sure this life make it a good point on this line of rebirth). Crowley highly respect HPB and quote her like a member of AA, (i dont think so) in higher position, but i read the two volume of magick and his book of the law, and i fully read all the work of HPB. Crowley work even if he quote many good points make a lot of mistake too in regarding of the work of HPB.
For me the only thing you have to do, it fully working on the secret doctrine (minimun of 20 years to go deeper in all the source) and try to be the most perfect guy you can. I not mean perfect is the way of enlightement, but you have to clearly control at 100% the four first body

>>18916265
french sorry for my english

>>18916240
It's just a bargain-bin knockoff of Agrippa's Occult Philosophy.

>>18916288
Thst's fine I can more or less read it... What are your criticisms of Thelema?

>>18916143
I replied.
You declined.
I acknowledged.

The only point of posting more is wand measuring.

>>18916177
I literally have the best Uttara Kaula Trika library on the internet. I'm the first person to scan and post Tantraloka in English.

>>18916224
Never read 'em.

>>18916298
Wonderful. So, is Tantraloka the place to start tackling this?

>>18916284
>Crowley highly respect HPB and quote her like a member of AA, (i dont think so)
Crowley rightfully recognizes her as a Magistra Templa.

>>18916302
>So, is Tantraloka the place to start tackling this?
Lol.
No.
I'd stat with Kularnava Tantra, of which I have an incomplete and redacted version. Kaulajnananirnaya's a good start too and my copy is less fucked with.
You can find good copies of KNT, though, from...http://www.exoticindiaart.com/book/details/kularnava-tantra-IDI580/

>>18916143
Sounds like maybe you have approached it from too much of an exoteric viewpoint? It *shouldn't* be too hard a concept for an educated person to understand (I'm talking like, high school education, not PhD) Once you understand the concept the study begins...I'm just spitballing here.

>>18916309
Thank you kind sir.

Where do you guys get your new, occult info/news?

>>18916310
It's all based in a language I don't speak and a cultural vocabulary I can't relate to. I think I'm too secular for this shit. It's time to just give up and find a zen center.

>>18916297
Crowley was a kind of psychotic guy i think, he is the true result of what occident society can give in spiritiality. Too much traumatized by catholicism, but at the same time he was one the roof that make possible the indepance from the church.So that is good for us. Every thing thing what is written on the book magick was true in phylosphical way, but that he didn t invent anything. But the sytem he have created is too much suffering by his personnality. Guy you cannot be serious in mixing enlightement and sexual conduct.
From my research:
Had an adept in egypt who lived (live?) in the 19th, this guy was certainly one of the first master of HPB, and the rumor say he have one another student. This another student after the teaching promote sexual act and use of drug. Blavatsky was already in touch with mahatma, and promote purity and philosophy, many trouble had happen. This is to be connected with the bad reputation in the occul circle of french of HPB. As the circle wanted miracle and power they follow the 2nd and that influence all europe. Crowley start his journey certainly directly with the second. That can be say that AA was in reality the real brotherhood of the hermetic of louxor, composed from high enlighted master (leaving society since century) and adept. The problem is that the second student was not anymore in the brotherhood when he start this creepy conduct. It s not accurate in detail, as to find link between all this stuff is very difficult to find and you have to look on letter of many people in this time to make a comprehension on that

>>18916331
>Too much traumatized by catholicism
Crowley wasn't Catholic he was Plymouth Brethren.

>but that he didn t invent anything
He invented an entirely new keyword analysis, the first elaboration on Dee since the Golden Dawn.

>Guy you cannot be serious in mixing enlightement and sexual conduct.
Absolutely, see all my materials on the Vama Marg which I've just been referencing.

>Had an adept in egypt who lived (live?) in the 19th, this guy was certainly one of the first master of HPB, and the rumor say he have one another student.
What?

>That can be say that AA was in reality the real brotherhood of the hermetic of louxor
No, at least not in any temporal sense.

>The problem is that the second student was not anymore in the brotherhood when he start this creepy conduct.
?
Crowley was a creeper since he was 15. Didn't found the A.'.A.'. until he was 37.

>>18916327
If you wanna gain something from the occult, you can't ask everyone to adapt to your language and cultural point of reference.

what you have to be sure, it s before to become an adept in the true meaning, you at the end before to become, follow the path of the ermit. If your goal is to know at 100% (to know god) at one moment you have to cut everything from society. At least two of them come back in society after this step, bouddha and christ. The another hide their body and appears when they want they appear in society in another body (st germain for example). Guy if you link abramelin, or abraxas of the kind of the last level of initiation, you have two solution, first, it s mean after that you have an other game, and so this itual is not anymore so important and connot be linked with the high ritual from the past (as for example horus and krishna had), or the second, you link it with this kind of old ritual and so that cannot be possible because to be an hermit you have to stay 7 year in forest without contact with society and so on all the ritial is wrong and there that is really far from a good sytem if he can make this kind of mistake
Whe have a chance that today, a big part of the heart doctrine, the only roof without roof of all system was made public, more than 100 years. Before you have to go in secret society to have the key to understand the exoteric myth of your religion. Today everything is exposed, and they guy like einstein, jung, gandhi, tesla, krishnamurti and many more have understood that and work on that and make progress for humanity

>>18916357
I don't really see how adding numbers and cherrypicking dictionary entries to prove a point is going to lead to me being a self-actualized person.

>>18916357
P.S. I don't SPEAK hebrew either, but I read it somewhat fluently. And you don't necessarily NEED to learn Hebrew right off the bat. It's advisable, but if you have a good Hebrew/English chart with the Gematric attributions and use it regularly you will more or less have memorized the Hebrew alphabet without really trying.

>>18916364
It's not going to lead you there. It can help lead you there, but one has to lead themselves, which you don't seem motivated to do.

>>18916372
I have other occult interests, but the A.A. is as closed to me as bhaki.

>>18916026
Thanks for the software suggestions. I actually just remembered that Calibre can convert between pdf and zip files, so I'm gonna try that.

>>18916376
Gee, why would anyone ever need one of the most efficient and simplest ways to test the spirits and reliability of messages received?

>>18916387
They come from an inferior tradition, possibly.

>>18916390
Must be. What's your tradition? What methods do you guys use to make sure the entity is what it claims to be and to test veracity of messages?

>>18916390
>wants to initiate into DBoE
>Gematria is too hard guise!