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Interesting.
I support Dualism though.

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>>18845583
Thank you
Idealism is on much sturdier ground than Dualism. Idealism lets you keep all the intuitive conclusions of Dualism without the hassle of the mind-body problem.

https://youtu.be/4l1lQMCOguw?t=3m51s

>>18845629
Dualism fails because adherents fail to realize there is a third substance catalyzing the two. How do you get oil and water to mix? Add flour.

Consider it like 4chan: do I interact with 4chan? Well I'm posting, so I must be right? But 4chan is purely a web entity, and I have no connectivity to the internet. My body doesn't do HTTP. I am not sending or receiving any signals. This only seems like a problem if you ignore the fact that there is an intermediary - the computer. I can interact with the computer. The internet can interact with the computer. With a computer, I can delude myself into thinking that I am interacting with the internet. But I'm not. I'm "interacting" through a catalyst.

>>18847722
>>18845629
Not all things exist dualism, but our reality lies on top of many fundamentally dualistic things.

1 0
Male female
Light dark
Infinity void
Good evil
Day night
The list goes on and on

>>18847722
This is what Bertrand Russell tried to do with Neutral Monism. The problem is that if the fundamental substance of reality is not physical and it has an irreducible conscious aspect then it seems no different than Idealism

>>18848009
This issue is a dualism of substances. Substance dualism fails as we can see with the mind-body problem. Idealism has no such problem.

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>>18848565
>if the fundamental substance of reality is not physical
But I disagree with this. The fundamental aspect of the material part of reality is physical and deterministic (or probabilistic if using QM, but on the macro scale somehow collapses to a deterministic process). There is the conscious energy, the unconscious energy, and both are moving under the allowance of the enabling intermediary. I don't have time to tailor a specific image to detail my thought process, so here is something similar from Hinduism.

The conscious energy is the passenger. The physical/material/unconscious energy - this includes the thoughts, impulses, emotions, and memories of our brain, the fundamental forces, QM, everything that is observed and not observer - that is the road. The intermediary energy is the driver and chariot. The passenger has no ACTUAL control over anything. It has become illusioned into thinking it has control/free will and that these impulses come from it. But it is simply along to witness the ride of the unconscious energy.

The physical is not false, it is just temporary and unconnected to the conscious. the dualistic problem of interaction disappears once you realize there is no interaction.