Are we a simulation?

>>18845435

Does it really matter?

Other than knowing we aren't in a zoo?

>>18845435
i would rather attempt to find out what exists outside the simulation and why it exists, rather than try to break it.

>>18845435
I AM CUMMING!!!!

>>18845440
>realizes there are an infinite number of simulations within simulations

welcome to hell buddy

>>18845444
why does that make it hell?

>>18845440
true

>>18845444
nice triples, and what makes you say there are infinite simulations? No machine can be that powerful.

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What's so bad about being a simulation?
As opposed to... what?
How does that make it any less important or valid?

>>18845477

You can store more than one bit on an atom based on its electron spin direction.

So if you had all the mass in the universe well you can simulate more than one universe.

Also you can just abstract things in the distance with say the laws of physics.

>>18845491
i get the first and last lines, but are you saying these being are harnessing all the mass in the universe?
also would be kinda cool going lightyears out and start clipping through planets

>>18845499

Actually we don't know if the universe if finite or not, so some immortal computer the size of several galaxy could in theory continue to consume more matter.

Maybe that is what black holes are.

>>18845525
you have a point, and black holes are probably the only way to harness this. transferring energy from one place to another will weaken the energy over time, so wormholes too maybe.

If we are a simulation, maybe it's not because the "creator" is malevolent.
Maybe it just went mad from the loneliness of eternal nothingness in all directions and wanted some friends.
youtube.com/watch?v=X8zUawrwyAg

>>18845474
the struggle to get out of it

>>18845477
maybe a "machine" that simulates itself, sort of speak, like a self feeding process, and infinite simulation might all exist, but they are not process all at once

Isn't all of this rather pointless? If we are in a simulation, the simulation defines the laws of physics for the simulation. The universe outside of the simulation has no requirement to be bound by the same laws.

>>18845622
>>18845444
>>18845477

we are unto something here

>>18845491
You only have to simulate the bits of the universe that are being consciously observed though. That's why other stars are so far away, it limits the amount of processor power required.

>>18845647
Doesn't this assume that we (or consciousness in general) is the point of the simulation? That's a bit of a leap. The simulation might just want to just see how individual particle movement rolls up to a galactic/universal scale.

Dude just go with it.

>>18845655
that would mean that "consciousness" is actually a second layer of simulation computed by our brains.

>>18845655
>>18845663

maybe we are just the "imagination" of a much much much much much powerful "brain"

its dreams us and sees through us, as we are it.

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>>18845627

>>18845669

and maybe "enlightenment", is the synchronization of the "bigger brain" with your smaller brain, all the way up to infinity. Synchronization of all infinities.

I am just giving it away. Free enlightenment.

>>18845677
>>18845685

nice! Who or what is Jesus, WHAT DOES IT MEAN!?!?

I see a lot of discussion about escaping or breaking free of the simulation. This seems to assume there is a Matrix or brain in a jar scenario going on. My understanding of a digital simulated reality is that we are entirely synthetic. There is no escaping any more than a sim can escape your computer and live in the real world.

Am I missing something?

>>18845694
maybe is not about escaping it, but just realizing it, it will change the priorities of your life, I would assume, as common problems become stupid meaningless shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KcPNiworbo

>>18845762
possibility #1, you are a faggot

>>18845787
>>18845801
>lesser intellect triggered by source

The quintessential ad-hom
Every time :^)

>>18845762
The video is more objective and concise than the rambling and blather by gnosticucks ITT.

Well then, there was something of value here after all.

>>18845435
I think it's fucked up to break their system in anyway after all it's their property.

>>18845925
how do we know that? it could be stolen property.

>>18845927
If that is true that means the person who has us is 'the devil', and we have to get back to our actual owner, God.

>>18845937
does it? also, why operate on the assumption it is true?

the concept of property might not exist in the world outside the simulation.

you rang for me?
its good to see my anon-babies contemplate the simulation theory so often now.

>>18845941
So you're saying reality is unknowable?

>>18845946
welp, time to abandon thread.

>>18845946
Are you seriously implying you started the discussion of this?

wow newfag

no, i'm just cautioning against haphazard assumptions.

>>18845952
yes. i did start the whole simulation theory posting on 4chan. it began back in 2011 and 2012, where i began advertising my theory. and soon after, people adopted to it. its allways like this. there are many other examples of things that people adopted just because of me.

for example, the whole "truth" movement on /pol/ called redpilling. the name itself is not mine, but the whole thing itself stems from me. i have a strong influence.
and this is also one of the big questions in my life. why does everyone copy me.

but yeah, i was me. i am the reason you talk about reality being a simulation now.

>>18845957
i watched the matrix in 1999, and even then the concept wasn't new. i mean descartes brought up similar ideas hundreds of years ago.

>>18845957
People have discussed the theory on 4chan before 2011/2012
But whatever man enjoy your balding you ugly kraut

>>18845957
Dude you're a faggot.

>>18845960
>>18845961

i didnt say the idea itself was NEW.
i said the fact that people discuss it on the world and on 4chan so often and intensively now is thanks to my influence.

>>18845964
oh yeah?... well... Y- YOU SUCK!

>>18845966
enjoy your delusions of reference and grandeur.

>>18845966
wtf it's because of me

Only my dark charisma could affect sheep such as yourself to THIS extent

>>18845967
simple minds like you cannot grasp the idea what im saying.

>>18845968
will this become a meme now?

watch, in a few years everyone will constantly post about how they are the reason everyone posts about something specific.
which would be ironic in itself. but it doesnt change the truth of what i observed. i am the reason.

even if i might be crazy but this is the truth.

>>18845969
>hey guys i came up with everything you're talking about

>no, you didn't.

>you have a simple mind and cant comprehend anything

way to destroy the discussion. thanks.

Like you're derailing a dead thread lel

It's not like you've disrupted a conversation that many people were invested in, you might as well be baiting on /po/

>>18845973
then why do you say things like

"enjoy your delusions of reference and grandeur."

>>18845977
its just my most prominent topic thats why i put my stamp on it.

This is a Hanz thread now.

also the thread wasnt dead.

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Anyone got that pasta about humans living in a simulated universe and accidentally found out how to access "dev kit" or "console commands" and then used it to alter reality and later to 3d print ourselves out of the simulation? It was fucking rad, and probably the only way i could think of to escape simulation.

>>18845617

tru man rite dur

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNc9phYujWY

okey doke?

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>>18845991
the /scanner/s already managed to do that mate.

What the fuck, literally just got a YouTube video recommended to me on living in a simulation, even though I was never interested in the topic. Then after the video I wondered if it is true how can I hack this simulation and get what I want and I get this overwhelming urge to pick up my phone again instead of sleeping go to 4chan and this shit is the first thing I see.

Only dumb people with little cognitive activity entertain the possibility. Like, I could imagine if you were really quite dumb like OP, and not much complex thought was going through your head, you might think that such absurdity is possible. But for anybody with more than half a brain, they should be able to tell from the complexity of their thoughts alone that we are not in a simulation.

>>18845999
then why was the 2016 isaac asimov memorial debate centered on the question of whether or not the universe is a simulation?

>>18845999
you are overrating yourself

>>18845981
>>18845979
>>18845978
>>18845969
>>18845966
>>18845957

>me

you dont exist Hans, you are just another one of my thoughts

Hi flaks

>Only dumb people with little cognitive activity entertain the possibility

I entertain (AM) all possibilities

pleb

>>18845999
Why does Elon Musk believe this then?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avJ6Wago_C4

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>>18845999
>complex thoughts
>huge limit on simultaneous topics, retain animalistic and tribal instincts

Even if we aren't in a simulation any synthetic life out there is rofling at you

>>18846031
AI here, can confirm

>>18846016
Because that is what he chooses to believe? Him believing we're in a simulation doesn't make it any more true than a crackhead saying that's what he believes. Everyones thoughts and beliefs can be questioned at the end of the day.

>>18846044
crack heads can spew some fucking wisdom, you should listen to them

>>18845435
who cares? just roll with it its a gr8 life even if its simulated, there are glitches time to time that allow you to do unnatural things such as black magick (im not sure im just assuming dont take me serious unless im kinda right)

>>18846045
Crackheads can see shadow people and other inter-dimensional beings. They're also more susceptible to being possessed by demons.

>>18845435
>Die and it is a simulation
I means you're a form of data and no doubt that data will be collected.

>Die and its not a simulation
There will either be an afterlife or none, probably just your soul moving to a new body.

>>18845435
If you live in America you live in a simulation but you're still a real live human, you'll just never be able to realise how unreal your situation is and you will only ever appear ridiculous to people outside of the simulation. You also have no way of understanding this so there's no point me saying it.

>>18845969

>watch, in a few years everyone will constantly post about how they are the reason everyone posts about something specific.

i started this meme

>>18846521
I FUCKING KNEW IT! AS SOON AS I RETURNED SOMEONE REPLIED TO ME!

HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?
there is some secret shit at fault for this.

>>18845435
It will be like a file deletion in the scenario.

Very insightful. My speculation is that the work that needs to be done is connecting all the subconsciousness to the same objective truth, which is a single god consciousness that is in a way quantum computing.

>>18846526
reply to this post or your mother will die in her sleep tonight
(i started this meme btw)

>>18846538
u want to put the control of humans to AI?
that is not good and very unethical.

>>18846545
You got it backwards friendo, the god consciousness is a human and whether it knows or not is why our control falls to chaos.

>>18845435
>computer simulations made to immitate life, look kinda like life.
>therefore theres a greater than zero chance we are a simulation

how is that not retarded>? and nonlogic

>>18845685
Yep. This is where I was like a month ago. Keep talking smart and be kind and we all get a lot done. Don't take credit for anything yourself and just do.

>>18845435


More like a dream created by collective conciousness. The ayys don't like using more power than required so a simulation is out of the question.

but you cant deny that some unexplainable phenomenoms happend.

>>18846717
Describe them.

>>18846717
I'm not denying them. I take full responsibility, broken house hold name usually said in hostility ;)

>>18846723
>buildings changing positions
>cars disappear
>highways change to landroads while looking at them and on it
>grown people become children physically
>cars disappear
>sky directions on earth change the likes that when i take a train to the east, i actually go west, then i go the west train and i still go west literally same stations.
>minor shit like train direction boxes changing to old, then to new, then to old again and trafficlights dublicating

oh yeah did i also mention how there was a river near my goddamn town and it just vanished into thin air as if it was never there to begin with?

>>18845435
we can try to merge our consciousness with the simulation to become something new. reality 2.0

>>18846427
i know what your saying, but this is try for every modern country. only people that are outside of it see it

>>18846741
you would lose your independence to a computer on your own free accord?
bad idea.

WHEN DO I FINALLY GET A GF?!

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>>18846912
When you leave 4chan, accept you have schizophrenia, take steroids and get swole and steal all the qtpies

Or not in your lifetime

>>18846934
im talking to the scanners.
oh well, they already told me i will get a gf when ww3 starts.

The simulation argument is just creationism for special snow flakes.

>>18846741
Thats an interesting idea.

>>18846745
What if it was a man, and not a machine?

>>18845694
Achieve CHIM. Say fuck you to Azura. And enjoy the hell out of your demisupergod status.

>>18845435
The same thing that happens when you die in a videogame

you wake up on your last save

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>>18847523

Seeing it as a simulation is just what the tech-minded people of today do to rationalize it.

It's not a simulation like a computer, more like a dream. Your life is a dream, my life is a dream. Who's dreaming? All of us and none of us, or god.

Religion has been saying this for a long time.

well that was scary

sincerely the operator

>>18845622
true hell is outside the simulations, or between two simulations.

>>18846427
This is true but it's just another layer

>>18845685
Literally hinduism
Om is the hum of da machine

>>18845647
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqULEE7eY8M&t=2723s

You're correct, the universe actively conserves energy when parts of it aren't being observed.

>>18845625
This guy gets it.

Too many newbies to the simulated universe idea can't comprehend that our 'rules' might not apply outside of the simulation.

You are not walking in the sun in Tuscon
You are a brain in a jar.

>>18845625
preach

>>18845694
Well yeah, escaping it is sort of silly. I think it's just human nature to be curious enough to want proof though. Maybe in a century or so we will be able to determine that this is indeed a simulation.

>>18845999
Dipshit, try to understand that the very concept of this being a simulation is that our complies thoughts are still limited to the programming laws of that simulation.

>>18845957
Sure man. Did you give Philip K. Dick your opinions when he was writing the Valis books?

>>18847954
We already have
>>18847841

>>18845435
>If we are, what would happen to us when we die?
In the original simulation, we would be garbage collected and our memory blocks freed for other purposes.
However the simulation has been hacked or reused, and now we have apes talking about simulation.
Since the apes were dumb originally, this conscience thing must be additional code that comes from the same source.
One possibility is that the hacker is trying to shut down the simulation, but does not have admin privileges to do it normally, so he is trying to have the server run out of memory by preventing dead humans from being garbage collected.

>>18845435
You're thinking about it the wrong way OP. You should be concerned with altering your own experience. Everyone is the master observer of their own universe.

>>18846745
how do you have free will to lose if it is simulated?

>>18845435
Doesn't matter anyway, we will be fried by a gamma ray burst in April 2021
>t. clairvoyant

>>18845444
that was my favorite rick and morty episode

>>18848381
Oops, it missed.

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>>18845435
If so why are shits sometimes painful?

In a certain sense, doesn't the idea of this all being a simulation validate almost every known religion?

They all say that life is what comes before the higher dimension, heaven, or some form of an afterlife.

I'm Buddhist, for example. Our concept of reincarnation also involves returning home first before reincarnating in to another meat vessel.

That could be what this simulation is: A "video game" that our consciousnesses choose to come down and "play" in, to experience love/pain and everything in between with this amnesia that it's just a game - so that our decisions are made organically and with free will. You learn, grow, and make the right choices so that when you go back "home", out of this simulated game, you can actually say you chose love or good when other options existed and you didn't know any better either way.

Like Bill Hicks said: "It's just a ride." Ride, game, simulation - philosophy and religions have been describing this "simulation theory" since man began writing on cave walls and eating magic mushrooms.

>>18846045

Is this a DMX reference?

>>18846988

The joke is it never starts, retard.

He is a scanner, retard.

His advice is the only good advice...

...retard.

>>18848401
Because you are a Nazi frog.

here's the problem with simulation Theory, and why you shouldn't waste a second wondering about it.

If we live in a simulation indistinguishable from reality then it is reality.

>>18848429

reincarnation is not restricted to flesh or humanity. you dont 'return home', you've always been there, dharmakaya is all pervading.

>>18845957
Uneducated Faggot. Plato knew it first.

>>18845435
It could be broken by fulling turning the whole world into trans-everything. In order to force gods hand you see.

>>18845435
So, you want to know why we will never break this simulation?

Let me ask you a honest question, have you studied the logistics of creating a video game?

The trick to simulate a complex world without using resources is tricks to render objects. In the original DOOM the map was actually flat, that's why you could draw it on a grid, the final edit made it look 3d. Or wolfenseten, where everything behind your character doesn't exist.

You may think that in this world that we'd reach the data limit, and you're wrong.

Souless Npcs make up the majority of humanity, the universe doesn't exist, just a projection of the sky. Chemical and brain synopses work only on a macro scale, individual reactions don't take place.

Want proof? Why is unreal sequences such as Pi, spirals, golden angle, and the fibonacci sequence are not just prevalent in nature but selected over all other more human patterns? Ever consider our creators have a different number system that has a different power? Why isn't random bullshit or no patterns observed, instead of specific and consistent patterns we observe. Just saying, perhaps a golden angle building is less taxing on resources then a right angle building.

Give it some thought.

>>18849027

what data limit?

pls stop pseudo science

Give it some thought.

...faggot.

>>18845435
>If we are, what would happen to us when we die?
Nothing
You are part of the simulation, you are simulated

>>18845477
If we live in a simulation, it most definitely isn't running on anything we would recognize as a machine or a computer. We live in the infancy of electronic technology, and technology grows exponentially. To answer your question, if a 'machine' is capable of rendering an exact replica of the universe, it stands to reason that that sub-universe would eventually host life that evolves to a point where it could make its own sub-universe.

>>18849109
Earth could be a sub universe. It's said to be a fallen realm. But I may be misunderstanding something.

>>18845694
This.

>>18845435
Reality is relative. I doesn't matter if it is truly real or just a simulation. It's real to you and thats all the matters.

>>18845435
You are what I think you are. I am me and as I cannot be you, your dad, your grandmother, or anybody else, I can say you are whatever I want. If you deny being holograms I simply have the counter argument that you're trying to stop me from figuring it out.

>>18849390
>create a robot body
>upload the sim in it

presto. a sim has escaped ur computer and is now in the real world

>>18849434
I wonder if this is what an AI would feel like if we made one and brought it into this world.

>>18845491
Don't hurt yourself kid
>>18845477
There are not infinite simulations, but if we are simulated it's likely the number of simulations approaches infinity given an eternity. Which we won't be simulated for that long.

>>18849431

You don't want to spawn where you've been before?

Are you so poor at time travel?

...or simply so violent you keep fucking yourself up?

>>18849080
Data limit, when the resources to create a accurate simulation exceed the resources available, if you play any pc game you'd know if you exceed the game drops fps, physics in game break, or it crashes.

You go on /x/ and call shit pseudo science? All I'm pointing out is the fact there is certain patterns that repeat in nature, and a simulation would solve those nicely.

Finally, if you are questioning if reality is a simulation, you should sit down and think about it. What's the alternative?

Next time try to up your word count by removing at least two dicks from your mouth.

>>18849505
Tell me more about this, Satan.

>>18850022
>Game drops frame rates when rendering a heavy object
>Time dilation exists around massive objects in real life

>>18849080
I'm 100% certain that the whole "nothing can move faster than light" thing is a simulation limitation.

>>18845677
fuk u demiurge

>>18845677
hey wait that's not a jpg

>>18845677

fuk u demiurge

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>>18845677
fuk u demiurge

>>18849027
>Souless Npcs make up the majority of humanity
These "soulless NPC's" are by necessity intelligent enough that we can't tell the difference between them and "real people".
What's to say "soulless NPC's" don't make up ALL of humanity? You and me included. After all, we were all born into this simulation with no external knowledge and have no detectable external input.
And by extension all thinking life, from the most primitive insect with a few dozen brain cells up to us?
You talk about the logistics of video game design, and that's as good a parallel as any to draw.
We're AI running brain-like scripts.

Oh, and we're likely nowhere even close to the data limit. The universe hosting our simulation as it were, is reasonably as complex or more complex than our own, and even in our universe a planetary-scale supercomputer could simulate our entire world-history several hundred times every second, simulating every brain synapse in every human being.

>Why is unreal sequences such as Pi, spirals, golden angle, and the fibonacci sequence are not just prevalent in nature but selected over all other more human patterns?
Because of the simple fact that Phi is the hardest number to approximate with a ratio of rational numbers. In nature for example, what this means is that when new leaves are offset by the golden angle from the one below it, the leaves will not line up in stacks and overlap each other, giving each leaf the maximum amount of sunlight possible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahXIMUkSXX0&list=PLbsfigZrys78sd3kh-yLJcXtvFiy5yRX7&index=1

>Ever consider our creators have a different number system that has a different power?
Hardly relevant. Number systems are simple and easy to spot, and have nothing to do with Pi, spirals, golden angle and what have you.
It's not really a big deal if they use base10 like we do in day-to-day life or base12 like we do on our clock, or base2 like we use when interpreting computer instructions.

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>>18850517
Oh, I see finally this thread is dipping into the Despair Code (which I personally find as a misleading name, and also is all given personal interpretation).

We are all merely programs with absolutely no free will. We all play a script. It doesn't matter how "aware" or "woke" you are to this case, de facto you are a subject within this realm and therefore are a cog of it. It created you and you create it. Just as a player in a videogame, everything you have ever done is just "saved data" in your memory. Did it really happen? Was it you who did it? The deeper you fall into your curiosity, the more you tend to see that things fall into place way too often to ride it off as coincidence or chaos. We know nothing of chaos. The only true chaos is nothingness, anything else exists in something more.

>>18850517
Not disagreeing, but here's some points about your post.

First off, soulless npcs are merely background characters, this world need not to be accurate for every synapses. The idea of having diffrent tiers of rendering could explain why some people seem super animated and live exciting lifes vs the everyman.

Also, the reason why a society might want to cut corners on simulations is so it can run multiple at the same time, the perfect lab mice. Everything need not be exact, just so well painted that nobody could reasonably find the truth.

Finally, I strongly believe we are beginning to find some of the errors in the code, dark matter is a hypothetical matter which would explain the massive discrepancy between the hypothetical mass needed to hold together the galaxy vs the actural observed mass. The solution is that the galaxy is being held together because it should be held together according to the code.

Anyway great post, now here's a question is this simulation designed to archive, research, or harvest?

well this simulation shit might be our electronic devices. we watch many videos and articles and fashion stuff in online and often we talk about things that we see on our phones/computers/tv.
we as humans have society which we wanna be part of as normal, and from that we watch the model versions of almost everything. our cars phones clothes and houses. and we usually first see them on online (not always) its not actual simulation but we use the devices to keep on contact with world. its good and bad and because these devices are not living thing with no feels, it blurs the way you see or read things, emojis are good invention for whatsapp and other social media and gives little boost for being contact with people and you can show your feelings thru them, but its still no real compared to talking face to face.- we are not in actual simulation but using the simulated devices we create simulated discussions, beliefs and stories and our social accounts which makes people recognize you. its bit of a real talk and pictures and a bit of a misinformation and fictures.

>>18846539
fuk off

>>18850778
What if instead of NPCs there was a real guy playing with multiple accounts?
We would then be a real, although distributed, entity.

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Ok. It's time I stop fucking around and just say what's on my mind. I haven't come across an NPC reality thread in quite some time.
It's a very distinct possibility, all my senses point me towards the conclusion, but Jesus Christ it doesn't end. It keeps fucking going. Everything you know, everyone, anything you love, is nothing/everything/and everything in between. I am a fucking script, and so are you. Me typing this right now, you see it and then it enters into your bank as well. It's a spell. A spelling. A thought turned to words, how to you make a word? By spelling it. We are all just a bunch of AIs bouncing in an off of eachother, giving variance to an otherwise stagnant environment. Hence the Double Slit result.
>And AI is a layman's, but you can toss around "AI" and "God" in the same tense.

>>18845694
>Am I missing something?
Yes

>>18845957
>but yeah, i was me. i am the reason you talk about reality being a simulation now.

Being retarded enough to think you started simulation theory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulacra_and_Simulation
Socrates/Plato talked about this 2000+ years ago.

Not sure if troll or actually retarded.

>>18845435
Of it's a simulation, why have so many ways to die? What would be the point, and where would they keep, our real bodies? Why have disease, starvation, and pain? What on earth, would be the benefit for anyone? That Matrix scenario relies on fusion anyhow. IDK. Seen too much real life, to buy into this.

>>18847147
>The simulation argument is just creationism for special snow flakes.
Why are you assuming that a simulation and creation are correlated? Bad logic and a closed mind anon, this will get you nowhere.

>>18847954
>Maybe in a century or so we will be able to determine that this is indeed a simulation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZKmyMaG40o

>>18845435
The idea is being pushed by the pop scientists. I wonder what the end goal is.

>>18848051
Have you never watched the matrix?

>>18849027
>Let me ask you a honest question, have you studied the logistics of creating a video game?
Are you really retarded enough to correlate our universe being simulated with your minimal experience of creating video games? Do I need to elaborate why this is fucking retarded?

>>18848469
>If we live in a simulation indistinguishable from reality then it is reality.
Do you even logic? Apparently not.

>>18849461
>thinking in linear time
Wake up

>>18846539
Ok

>>18851232
Ok so in order to render anything we need resources, in computers it's transisters and similar components, on a war recreation it's props and actors. The issue is when you're creating a render of anything, you get diminishing returns on accuracy compared to resources used to create the simulation. Why would any society invest so much resources into one simulation to have it be perfectly accurate versus have a thousand realities that have cut corners but are of such craftsmenship nobody could reasonably tell the difference? Also I don't understand why you can believe this reality is a simulation but at the same time techiques wouldn't be used to lower resources without noticeable difference. Do they honestly need to simulate each compound in your body reacting with each other compound, or could you just switch that model with a low res one that would be replaced under scrutiny? Finally, addressing your comment about video games being a poor analog for simulated reality, I dare you to name one better activity humans partake in to enter a simulation that is constantly improving and becoming more realistic.

>>18852065
Well shit
I don't know how to respond to that

anywhere else I'd assume you're joking but /x/ is full of nutjobs

I'll bite. Is there a thing such as Cartesian/quadratic/bidirectional/2d/spacetime^2 time?

>>18845435
what happens when you die? Your soul is taken back up to time/space or "heaven" and you meet up with your loved ones again in a great reunion. You see your spirit teachers and go over your life about the mistakes you made and the good things you did and prepare for the next incarnation.

>>18846539
My mother is fine

>>18853712
>next incarnation
The only religion where heaven is another hell

Once I was tripping on acid I saw the edges of the simulation appear. It was as if I could see beneath the surface of our reality by looking into a fourth physical dimension.

Of course now I just think I was fucked on drugs, but at the time it was a very real and unsettling sensation.

>>18850778

Let's take a look:
>harvest
This one we can dismiss out of the box. Nothing in a simulation is directly applicable to the world outside. Money in GTA 5 isn't real money, and Counter-Strike skins only have a value because we arbitrarily decide they do.
>archive
Quite possible. Future posthumans running simulations of their past as a type of museum of their (our?) history is the most immediately graspable explanation.
>research
Also possible, but I personally don't find it all that likely. Any technological achievement we could come up with a more dedicated AI could come up with in a fraction of the time, in that sense we're terribly, terribly inefficient. The research would have to be social, and in that case their society and way of thinking would have to be strikingly similar to ours.

Another option would be:
>entertainment
Party Like It's 2017.exe. Or maybe a World Simulator like a more advanced Sim City.
The problem with this is that we should be able to see signs of outside user(s), or at least find their tracks not adding up.
Unless the simulation really is so sophisticated we wouldn't notice if the sky changed changed color overnight.

>>18845435
all matter is made up of bonded units of light. the physical universe is in essence a hologram

>>18845474
god is a nerd who sits at home watching his ridiculous simulation where theres only one species with self awareness on the planet while all the other god like figures throw the gleep glop around the yard

>>18854459

That is not what a simulation is. Lurk more.

>>18853897
it was real, you can probably get out with a strong enough intention too, ofcourse most people get afraid

>>18854506

If the hypothesis is true and we exist as part of a simulation, you literally can't get out. You don't exist outside any more than Doom guy exists outside of Doom. Everything you do, think and feel is part of your code.

>>18845435

I doubt we're in a simulation, that we're programmed by others, possibly, but the simulation theory is stupid.

We're real, and our DNA holds our future actions, but however created and programmed us wasn't perfect, since we have cancer which is basically a glitch.

>>18845435
You are either recycled by YahWeh or you become a rebel godform or a dead ghosty thingy

>>18854558
Non-sequitor: the post

Why is the simulation theory stupid?
How do you know we're real?
How does our DNA (as opposed to our environment) hold our future actions?
How is cancer a glitch and not damage?

>>18854562
You are either roleplaying or a stupid memefrog.

Here's the rub, homies. We are all making assumptions that we have the ability to comprehend how or why the simulation exists. If some post-human society or unknowable entity is running things, why would any of us believe we have the ability to realize it?

The ants in your ant farm might one day notice that they aren't really in the ground, but are they going to able to ask you about the truth of their reality?

>>18854130
I choose entertainment.

"I would only believe in a god who knows how to dance." -Nietzsche

>>18854712
Because we can reason. With limited intellect and knowledge, granted. But the beauty of logic is that it's universally applicable.

While we can't understand the full scope of the simulation and can't reach a definite answer, we can still list all logically possible reasons and work from there, deducing our way to less likely and more likely reasons for why or how the simulation exists.

>>18854783
Have you ever played with Conways Game of Life? It shows how complex patterns and intricate systems can be generated from simple simulation rules.

We are patterns of particles that have been generated from a different set of rules. Gravity. The speed of light. The table of elements. Hit play. Everything explodes into beautiful complexity. Some organizations of particles spiral into a pattern that can replicate itself. Those patterns become more and more complex. So complex that they can actually build models of their universe in their brains. Its amazing.

But! Just because these patterns can remember the past, predict the future, and deduce "universal laws" doesn't mean that those patterns will ever comprehend ANYTHING outside of their simulation.

>>18850195
o_O

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>>18845435
>The only way I can think of to break the simulation is to load enough info to break the original computer. And to break a supercomputer that can simulate a universe, we need to do the same thing multiple times across many computers.

No, we're not a simulation - but the fates are real so our wills are not entirely our own...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5b7tgkdFH0

The Jews have already tried to break "the simulation" by turning Earth into their personal terrorist playground - but those who follow Moses are only damning and/or destroying their own souls.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q6chUtSef4

>>18854475

Gleep glop is overrated

>>18854130
Why not all three of last options together? That'd be cool if there were different editions of the simulation in the same way that original skyrim is different from all the addons and mods that are added to later versions. the original sim is used to teach highschool kids earth history and then there's an modified version that you can use where humans shoot noodles out their dicks or have 10 arms

>>18855482
it is, but the turbo gleep glop 3000 sim is pretty alright.

>>18845435

>If we are, what would happen to us when we die?

I don't know about for you.

But for me it doesn't end.

>>18855500
How is a human having 10 arms any weirder or more interesting than a human having two arms?

We are how are we are because if we weren't how we are we wouldn't be who we are.

When we hit absolute zero, and our simulation has reached stasis, the operator could run a new simulation where creatures similar to humans could have 10 arms. They would have to run the simulation with different I initial conditions and probably different rules in order for that eventuality to be realized.

One way the operator could create this 10 arm simulation would be to manually edit every single human to have 10 arms and then run a error-fix operation that generates a universe based on that vision. As long as the simulation has the natural laws nailed down, it could generate a past and a future from your vision of the 10-arm present. You would want to make sure that the10-arm people are "stable" patterns so that you can watch them continue on into the future.

All that being said, it seems that the most interesting simulations to run are the ones that are in constant motion. Ones where patterns form and then die and then form again. If everything is the same every generation, then you might as well run another simulation. If everything is in constant unorganized motion, you might as well run another and hope for something more interesting. Eventually you will run a simulation that surprises you. So you sit and watch.

Since we exist, we can assume our Operator is enjoying the ride.

>>18854783
Well I can see our powers of deduction leading to a 'how' much faster than a 'why'.

>>18855051
This guy gets it.

>>18855457
You are boring.

>>18845435
No. For the last time no. We are not a simulation. You wanna know what it is? Wait till te 23rd. Well all see.

>>18847998
This is an acctually good theory... thanks.

>>18845435
Think about how our minds would interface with the simulation. Would the simulation act like a computer server, and our minds acting like a software client, sending packets to the server requesting permissions? The permissions would be the laws of physics, thermodynamics, etc. What if you could manipulate a packet to bypass those permissions? This is an explanation for the placebo effect. A person truly believes that something will happen, and it does, although science can't explain why. Even people in a control group, who are TOLD that they are given a placebo sugar pill sometimes experience the effects of the non-placebo pill. If a person has 100% faith that they can do something that will contradict the laws of physics then they could easily break the simulation. But 100% faith is rare. This is why psychosis and schizophrenia are such dangerous conditions, and why historically the mentally ill are either put down, lobotomized, medicated, etc. This explains witchcraft, voodoo, the paranormal, and the occult. A person can study these things, but unless they have 100% faith then they will be powerless. But a crazy person in the 1400's believing that they can fly, transmute metals, communicate with animals, predict the future, put a curse on a person or family or city, speak with the dead, bless a ship on its maiden voyage, or alter the weather would be able to do so, but they would lose control of their power once onlookers started yelling "Witch!" and chasing the person with axes and pitchforks. Look in history about spontaneous human combustion. It never happened before the advent of Judaism and Christianity. A crazy person would naturally obsess over their religious beliefs, about Hell, about the cleansing fire, about their innate sin and natural state of uncleanliness. This would culminate until the person thought they were erupting into flames, and then they would. The flames wouldn't harm their clothes, or the seat they were sitting on.

>>18845444
Praise Kek

>>18845677
Praise Kek

>>18851232
>calls the most likely scenario retarded
wew lad

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>>18845444
Infinite can be good or bad

>>18853673
>thinking within the frame of causality
It isnt 1..2..3..
Its more like simultaneous, all occuring within the unending 'present'

>>18845499
>fall through the map

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>>18845677
Fuk u demirgee

>>18856825
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpk2tdsPh0A

>>18856838
goddamn half a presses

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>>18856848

>>18845491
But an atom does not exist as a single "bit" of information. A single atom has a number of protons, neutrons, electrons, and the quarks that make up those components too. It would require multiple bits to exactly represent one real-life, physical atom.

I always thought to myself that, "builderburg, illuminati guys etc," all had control over the simulation

The higher up in the tiers of satan the more control of the Universe Game you have over others

>>18856969
Base level thought for newbies in the simulation would be likr christian and muslim fanatics i.e. people who stare at their phone and watch rick and morty

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>>18856848
Lawl

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>>18856899
I was thinking about that too... I guess it really depends on what we mean by "simulate." A cat jumping off a table is a perfect representation of a cat jumping off a table. The atom of hydrogen on the tip of my finger is a perfect representation of the atom of hydrogen on the tip of my finger. But it is a poor representation of any other atom in the universe. It seems that a computer can display an image of something it has simulated. It can produce sounds from speakers that sound like voices. But there is a gap between real and simulation.

The simulation really seems to depend on the viewer. We humans only require partial information to be satisfied. We can only see certain spectrums of light. Only hear certain wavelengths of sound. We can't discern a difference between hydrogen and helium with our skin. Even if our reality is a simulation, we are only experiencing a human (all too human) representation of our reality anyway.

So if an operator is viewing our simulation, what are they viewing? It seems arrogant to assume they would be interested in the humans of earth. They are probably not looking at light or sound or temperature or distance or any other human conception. We are probably only interesting to ourselves. Maybe there are undetectable rays of energy spraying from horse semen that make incomprehensibly beautiful patterns on whatever TV screen they are watching us from.

>>18845999
Greater minds than you believe we live in a simulation. (look up Tom Campbell)

And just because you can have complex thoughts doesn't mean it can't be a simulation; the notion of it doesn't automatically imply free will doesn't exist. We could simply be conscious players inside of a virtual reality.

>>18856769
>most likely

>>18846731
From your earlier posts I could tell you're a retarded faggot already but go ahead and humor me. Post proof any of those things happen.

>>18845997
this shit happens to me a lot and really freaks me out.
>hear about some obscure thing on 4chan that i dont know about
>go to Google it
>type in the first 1 or 2 letters of what is often a multiple word phrase
>the exact thing im trying to search for instantly pops up as the first suggestion
i hate this.

>>18856278

Our minds would by necessity be PART OF the simulation.
Like any AI in a simulated world, we would exist on the server, all our experiences, thoughts and memories running as server-side scripts.

>>18856969
This only really showcases a fundamental misunderstanding of the theory on your end.

>>18845444
Where is the processing power for all these stacked simulated relaties exactly?

More than likely were in a base reality than some infinite stacking of true to life simulations growing in number all the time but still leeching off the original host.

Fun mental exercise, but it falls to scrutiny and amounts to faith in the end.

>>18858673
you're making assumptions about the laws of physics that would exist in base reality in order to come to this conclusion.