Occult & Magick General, Respectfully waiting for Ape Edition

How many of you guys actually have a daily practice and what does it consist of?

>>18802181
Not sure how many, I would say at least three of the posters in here from what I've observed. Mine mostly consists of pre-dawn/dawn invocation, yoga, meditation, Tarot... I try to follow Liber Resh throughout the day as best as possible, evening/nighttime banishing, yoga, meditation Tarot, etc. That's my *daily* practice. I also do other shit but not daily. For the most part.

>>18802197
I hate to say this, but I find the tarot portion of the library lacking in content. The only stuff there I see is the Hermetic Tarot, the Thoth tarot and the Book of Thoth for that.

>>18802181
Resh 4x daily.
Some form of banishing (Lately it's been Hallowing the Kingdom of Qayin).
Stellar Transvocation on the Behenian round.
I TRY to get in, at bare minimum, 45 minutes of yoga per day.
I'm looking to replace Resh with the 108k Prostrations.

That's just the standard run, I'll often do rites X, Y, or Z, but as needed.

is it really taking the initiative if you did it because he told you to on the last thread ;)

>>18802313
That was actually another anon, but I figure if they weren't gonna man up after whining about it, I would.

I imagine this has to do with the fact that there's an enormous amount of junk published about the tarot, and it takes a lot more attention to make sure you're not just throwing BS in the library than it does with other topics, where Ape can just upload huge swaths of pdfs at a time without being forced to actually read them

>>18802181
I do Resh daily, have been for years. My daily practice aside from that shifts between a daily meditation practice + working through a piece of a progressive system (I have a problem with oscillating between them based on mood and inclination). At times my daily work consists of absolutely nothing but Resh, when life gets difficult and my attention waivers. But Resh has always been there.

>>18802320
Yes, but for a library that doesn't even have the Rider-Waite or Golden Dawn decks, or even the Marseille deck, you can't really blame the lacking material on the quality of the material itself.

I mean the Pictorial Key to the Tarot and Rider-Waite deck existed before the Thoth deck. And at that, there isn't ANY material for the Hermetic Tarot, even though it's clearly based on the Golden Dawn deck and has a collage of images from many other sources.

https://mega.nz/#F!N89xXQyB!c2-6SZdI-mgdVavD4MQL7Q!I5UjSJyK

This one's a much smaller library, but hey; at least it's more definitive for the tarot section.

>>18802320
That's sort of it but also a factor of various interpretations of Tarot being folded into various systems of work.

There's really no need to split every single folder up into it's own sphere plus various tarot entries in a tarot folder.

Incidentally this is also largely why there's no singular astrology folder, as it's all culturally bound, where you'll find Shams al Ma'arif in Grimoires and Jyotish in Eastern.

>>18802317
Thanks, btw.
But I'm sure anyone who feels the overwhelming need can construe "it's like, whatever, man, make a thread if you wanna" as evidence of brainwashing.

Just a reminder: Ape of Th0th has had sex with a farm animal and is really into big muscular men.

>>18802340
Indeed.
>evidence of brainwashing.
Now where's my goddamn "Sycophant of Ape of Th0th" T-shirt?

>>18802333
>you can't really blame the lacking material on the quality of the material itself.
Not what I mean, I mean that there's a density of BS so it requires just a little more attention. Or hey maybe ape just doesn't super care about tarot ha

>This one's a much smaller library, but hey; at least it's more definitive for the tarot section.
oh ty

>>18802340
Where in the MEGA is Resh, please? I'm looking Under A.'.A.'.>Crowley>libri

>>18802333
>333
If my Tarot file pisses you off, keep your own library, or better yet, do what the Alchemy guy did, completely unfuck my shit in total on your own time without telling me, then drop a link to an expertly completed folder for me already withing Mega to import as a pleasant surprise from one curator to another randomly in the thread.

>>18802340
For a third reason, it's, like, the Tarot.
There are four elements.
There are sixteen elemental couplings.
There are 10 spheres.
Not to mention dat good shit of planets moving through signs.

If that, alone, doesn't give you the basis for a DEEP and POWERFUL understanding of the Tarot, no pile of books is gonna teach you.

>>18802349
I'll need your credit card info. For personal verification purposes, of course.

>>18802366
>66
Liber Resh vel Helios cf CC
Publication in Class D.
So, Liber 200 in the Class D folder.

Spiritual connotations of cigarettes?

777 associates tobacco with Saturn, some north american native tradition associates it with the Earth. Thoughts?

What kind of associations have you heard?

>>18802378
How about a nice, up-close shot of me jerking off over a picture of you. We wouldn't want any of your detractors to get the wrong idea, you know.

>>18802378
back with a vengeance

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>>18802386
wew lad

>>18802390
I mean, either/or.
Both if you feel generous :3

>>18802390
I'll take that silkscreened on a t-shirt if you catch my meaning

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>>18802416
jej

>>18802411
2/2

>>18802411
Haha is this what you were referring to when you said something like"unless you wanna go full-blown shaman and let them build spirit-houses in your chest while you overdose on drugs" in response to my question about evoking the same entity too often?

>>18802438
This is EXACTLY what I was referring to. It comes in a few different forms across Amazonia.

>>18802454
No thanks, Mr. Banks. I'll pass. Fascinating, though.

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What does this picture mean?

Is this a handy guide for recognizing the sex of a mandrake plant, or is there some esoteric meaning I'm missing?

>>18802411
Are the "Notes on the Tarot" part of the new set of uploads you talked about? These are really illuminating

>>18802420
Not what I was looking for exactly but I'm putting it in my wiki anyway.

...animated blood duct??

>>18802472
>Fear of Satan is Bourgeois cowardice
Hahaha delightful

>>18802462
>2
Chockmah
>3
Binah

>>18802459
>he doesn't wanna engage in ritual hunts of hunting men culminating in isolating them along the trail, bashing their skull in with a big fucking stick, sodomizing them half to death, silencing them, coming back to them in the night for further rituals, then drinking their grave goo after burial.
You're no fun.

>>18802472
Not that I see. Doesn't mean it's not there.

>>18802474
Yeah, as in a giant cosmic metal straw that shoots into sleeping victims and drains them of lifeblood controlled by a cannibalistic parrot God. The Hobeo is granted a spiritual equivalent thereof.

>>18802420
do they tell a neophyte in advance what will happen to prepare him? If not, have you ever seen any psych model cats try to confront this biz?

>>18802489
When Crowley refers to "adorations taught to thee by thy superior..." I don't currently have a superior to teach me... Anything I should know here? Or something I can substitute?

https://youtu.be/UovujD0EUxY

I'm still curious as your guys' thoughts on this.

>>18802507
Don't bother. Resh is useless garbage and 100% roleplay.

Study Bardon instead. When the Sun is highest in the sky, breath in the energy and you'll feel like a god.

>>18802491
Some yes some no, depends on which part of the story and why. Some of this is guided. Some if this is culturally known and embedded, some of this is taught by the spirits themselves.

It's really a complex affair.

I've never seen anyone approach Dark Shamanism through the lens of post-Campbellian psychological analysis or perennial philosophy.

>>18802507
It would be the adoration for your rising sign in Treasurehouse of Images.

>>18802508
Ugh, gimme a minute to listen.

>>18802530
Thanks... Here's the inevitable..."where can I find that in the Library?" Thanks

>>18802530
>Treasurehouse of Images

O Thou Dragon-prince of the air, that art drunk on the
blood of the sunsets! I adore Thee, Evoe! I adore Thee,
IAO!

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Bump.

>>18802539
https://hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib963

Also wait....I've never seen this before, there's a big chapter for each sign, and then sub-verses for each sign again? Do you do the whole chapter for your rising?

>>18802544
Do you know where that is in the mega?

>>18802573

thanks

>>18802508
RAW said all of this better long ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R95A1jDwX_8

>>18802544
;)

>>18802573
Yes.

>>18802574
see
>>18802573
>Liber 963
>Class A

Hey, Ape. Do you know of any good books on folk magic in general or on Appalachian "granny magic" specifically at all?

Asking for my own actual use and for the research interests of a friend who likes to write occult fiction.

O Thou emerald vulture of Truth, that art perched upon the vast tree of life! I adore Thee, Evoe! I adore Thee, IAO!

O Thou lonely eagle of night, that drinkest at the moist lips of the moon! I adore Thee, Evoe! I adore Thee, IAO!

...sick

>>18802181
10 minutes focused mediation, 10 minutes of relaxation mediation, then how long it takes to visit one of the Sephirot

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What is the purpose of this thread?

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>>18802636
curiosity and amusement

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>>18802636
magick *snort snort*

>>18802597
Some float about the trad witch movement but I can't think of any titles off the top of my head.

>>18802589
Where does the LIRP fit into the dawn meditations?

>>18802522
>I've never seen anyone approach Dark Shamanism through the lens of post-Campbellian psychological analysis or perennial philosophy.

Maybe that was a dumb question, but how about other repeated religious rites which reliably give rise to the same religious experiences with very specific content that can't be due to suggestion or anything of that sort as there was no prior knowledge of the experience one was expected to have. After the fact confabulation and revised memory, dishonest or biased reporting from anthropologists or something like that I'd guess

>>18802707
You may get a kick out of Good's article "Medical Anthropology and the Problem of Belief"

>>18802724
Sounds perfect, thanks for the tip

>>18802684
Hey, Ape, speaking of trad witchcraft, what should I read before tackling Azoetia?

>>18802724
>>18802688 ?
Gracias senor.

>>18802707
Any halfway decent cultural anthropologist will maintain methodological agnosticism in dealing with others' faith.

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Love you, friends.

>>18802855
>With my Hawk’s head I peck at the eyes of Jesus as he hangs upon the cross."
~L III:51

>>18802855
Love for Jesus is present in this thread too.

>>18802876
So what's in the Yorke microfilms? Are you having trouble deciding what to make public? I imagine I would

>>18802876
What's more Christian than eating christ's body?

>>18802914
>So what's in the Yorke microfilms
https://www.100thmonkeypress.com/biblio/acrowley/references/Yorke%20Microfilm%20Index.pdf

>>18802912
There is no place in my Serpent Braided Heart for the """(((salvation)))""" of the Nazarene.

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Has anyone ever tried using a fictional alphabet for sigil-making?

Pic related, it's the Madoka Magica witch alphabet.

That alphabet looks like a font made out of anime eye emojis

lol, just googled madoka magica, my aesthetic sense serves me again

>>18802341
the fine collection of occult material makes up for that

>>18802925
>((( )))
Please don't do this.

>>18802955
It's a pretty /omg/ show. I've used the soundtrack as a backdrop for spellcasting.

>>18802943
Eyes are the windows of the soul.

>>18802925
There is the dove, and there is the serpent. Choose ye well! He, my prophet, hath chosen, knowing the law of the fortress, and the great mystery of the House of God.

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>>18802925
I thought on several occasions in the past you argued for the inclusion of christ themes in Gd work?

>>18803088
*whoosshh* Hear that? That was Ape's points going COMPLETELY over your head.

>>18803013
>Now I see the figures on the wheel, which have been interpreted as the sworded Sphinx, Hermanubis and Typhon9. And that is wrong. The rim of the wheel is a vivid emerald snake; in the centre of the wheel is a scarlet heart; and, impossible to explain as it is, the scarlet of the heart and the green of the snake are yet more vivid than the blinding white brilliance of the wheel.

>The figures on the wheel are darker than the wheel itself; in fact, they are stains upon the purity of the wheel, and for that reason, and because of the whirling of the wheel, I cannot see them. But at the top seems to be the Lamb and Flag, such as one sees on some Christian medals, and one of the lower things is a wolf, and the other a raven. The Lamb and Flag symbol is much brighter than the other two. It keeps on growing brighter, until now it is brighter than the wheel itself, and occupies more space than it did.

>It speaks: "I am the greatest of the deceivers, for my purity and innocence shall seduce the pure and innocent, who but for me should come to the centre of the wheel. The wolf betrayeth only the greedy and the treacherous; the raven betrayeth only the melancholy and the dishonest. But I am he of whom it is written: He shall deceive the very elect."

~AC, Liber 418, 20th Aethyr

>>18803118
How does one keep such detailed accounts whilst scrying? Dictation? That's one of the things I've had a lot of trouble with.

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>>18803131
That plus yoga.
Art of Memory.

>>18803149
Excellent. Thanks!

>>18803149
Is image this your work?

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>>18803158
Yep.
Pics with multiple iterations of deep dream filters with the settings tuned.

>>18803118
Only translation I've seen with identical wording to the last line's is Joseph smith's, coincidence?

>>18803166
Oh cool I see what it's of now!

>>18803182
"He shall deceive the very elect." Is Matthew 24-something

>>18803188
https://www.lds.org/scriptures/nt/matt/24.24?lang=eng

24:24

>>18803188
A-ape wasn't Quoting the Bible...?

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Christfags AND Mormonfags?! Wow, exhilarating conversation!

Can we talk about less religion and more magick?

>>18803168
Quite possibly but now you've got me on a text criticism kick.

>>18803166
Ape, I've got some decent experience with astral projection and the like... but last nigh I was performing LBRP astrally, and it was THE most powerful, vivid experience I have had yet. I thought I was going to have a full-blown seizure upon re-entering my body... Is this a sign of progress, or something else?

>>18802636

For Ape's acolytes to administer the osculum infami as he bends over to display his prowess as an armchair magician.

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>>18803210
You're spirit gets more powerful as you get closer to crossing. It means you'll be dying soon

>>18803210
>Is this a sign of progress, or something else
Depends I'd have to know more.

One time I was doing Enochian in my sleep and Uriel was all like "stop" and I was all like "fuck you" so Uriel induced a seizure and shook his head at me while I felt blood gushing into my mouth from a tongue bit clean through.

Of course I woke fine, but it was freaky deaky.

>>18803205
Please do let me know if you turn up anything interesting

>>18803233
>talking shit to Enochian angels
Check it out we've got a Mad Lad over here

>see book entitled "American Folk Magic"
>"Ooh! This could be g--"
>by Silver RavenWolf
Oh.

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>>18803233
they do like giving seizures, they're kind of dicks

ape that story gave me a halfie js, idek if it's the blood pouring from the mouth but or the backtalk or the fact that you just got power dommed by Uriel but

>>18803233
Oh god.
Well basically I was preparing for a Tarot session, so to speak, and my girlfriend was in the room within the work space. I actually did it standing. I'm not really comfortable performing any rites in front of her unless she explicitly states she wants to learn them or whatever, which she knows, but has yet to ask...so, I said well I have to do this, I'll try it astrally, which I've never done in the same room as another before. I could very clearly see the pentagrams in a brilliant glowing blue, hexagram above, and the Archangels appeared kind of abstractly but I could very clearly sense the elemental forces. Also qabalistic cross was like an electrical current surging thru my body, both at the beginning and end.

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>>18803272
>72
What can I say, I <3 daddy's cummies.

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>>18803220
>armchair magician
Duuuuuude...

The guy owns like, skulls and knives made of bone. He stabs cow tongues and probably has a wide selection of fez hats to choose from.

Pretty sure he is a 7th or 10th degree black-belt do what-thou-ever-you-wan-ter-er at some cool as fuck lodge you probably have never even heard of (cause you suck).

Rides dragons and probably fucks bitches in the ass whenever he feels like it. Because he is Crowleys half son in law or nephew or some bad ass shit like that.

Skuuuuuls doooooood, they are expensive as fuck. But my man ape is a straight baller an makes mad money doing magic shit all damn day!

So BTFO with all dat shit, before my man goes to the butcher shop and gets all stabby cursey on yo punk ass!

>>18803291
I don't suppose The Cunning Man's Handbook is in your library? Or anything similar (any practical book on the arts of the cunning folk or any other folk magic that isn't just "here, rip off Afro-Cuban religion and magic")?

>>18803283
I meant more about the episode, are we talking tonic, epileptic, absence, drop attack? If you had an actual seizure I'd say go see a doctor. If you had a handful of early symptoms in a couple of categories that were startling but not spooky or medically troubling it's probably 'getting good'. Much of kundalini sickness can be explained by dopamine agonism. With some practice and skill you can do some neat human tricks with ASMR responses that would be better covered by hypnosis and Surgo in practical contexts.

>>18803314
No actually a lot of that publication sphere has yet to be scanned, which is a shame, but I mean it's not like you can't seriously reconstruct trad/cunning craft with my library. I've got the Grimoire of Arthur Gauntlet ffs.

>>18803342
Thanks. I have a lot of respect for the authors who actually painstakingly go through firsthand resources, spend time with practitioners of hoodoo, and so on, to learn the shit for themselves, but being one step further and learning hoodoo from some white guy's book makes me feel kind of sleazy.

And not in a good way.

>>18803325
Yeah it was just pre-seizure-like symptoms. I mean, I've had two seizures in my entire life, one almost killed me, but the first was drug-related and the one that almost killed me was from dehydration...so yeah it definitely wasn't an actually seizure, as I can say from experience, and I was hydrated and not on any seizure-inducing drugs. So...maybe getting good?

>>18803360
Dude don't worry about it. Knowledge is knowledge. No dusky shaman or forked tongue white devil can keep that from you.
~t. savage tribal shitskin

>>18803364
Thanks again, from the creator of this particularly odd edition of /omg/ I'm going home now, where there is unfortunately no internet. Thanks for all your help. And remember, if you see Buddha on the road, kill him!

>>18803360
Are you implying that all the Cunning Folk traditions are Afro Cuban in origin? Actual Voudon isn't even necessarily "Afro Cuban"

>>18803400
>Are you implying that all the Cunning Folk traditions are Afro Cuban in origin? Actual Voudon isn't even necessarily "Afro Cuban"
What? No. I'm implying that most published books about folk magic that go into any detail on practical matters are specifically about Afro-Cuban folk magic, or else are short, often crappy collections of folk remedies.

>>18803410
My mistake I was confused by your wording. You are unfortunately completely correct although this is beginning to change because of the efforts of Bookworms and Magick Nerds like our very own Ape

>>18803417
I should say African, Afro-Caribbean, and African American, to be more accurate. I don't mean to reduce the experiences (or religions) of a variety of people to one specific locale.

>>18803430
One major problem with the academic study of these systems is that academics tend to limit scope by geography, culture, and even skin color. This is true of both the Euro centric armchair anthropologists and the reactionary crowd currently politicizing anthropology. As far as I can tell no true practictioner of the various Cunning Artes gave a flying fuck about what came from where and the morality of using that system. The Syncretic nature of magick doesn't mix well with politics

>>18803456
>The Syncretic nature of magick doesn't mix well with politics
^^^^^^^

>>18803465
Btw Ape I wanted to thank you for telling me to read Lux Haeresis, it's quickly becoming one of my favorite texts. One major influence on CS that I'm totally missing is the Zos Kia Cultus, do you have an idea on where I should start with that?

>>18803465
I've done sigils and such, and for the most part they worked. I've also had quite a bit of luck with cartomancy.

But the most I've ever FELT magic was outside at night, especially but not exclusively in the woods.

Ape, can you recommend any readings that tell me how to go out innawoods, find some spirit to chat with, and start learning from them firsthand?

Is that even doable?

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>>18803263
>download pdf of Hedge Witch thinking it's by Rae Beth

>it's by Silver Ravenwolf

>>18803226

man I saw one of these in a museum it was nuts, buddhists are beyond dedicated

The Yazidis are getting fucked again:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/yazidis-who-suffered-genocide-are-fleeing-again-but-this-time-not-from-the-islamic-state/2017/03/21

I was wondering if any of you would be willing to work together on some sort of protection spell, since this is an ancient religious sect whose Godforms many of us use in our daily practice (whether we know it or not)

>>18803783
I just want ape to know that I blame him for this post.

>>18803723
https://mega.nz/#!h09CCA4C!fDsYK40SFamdIhpsAxJmB0tyIKT8A65-_EMvarRWWVE

>>18803520
https://mega.nz/#!kgExGTrJ!W3H0Tx9arGc5eJMeXidnVW1pGTwLA1-3gYWDQxZg5eI

Who here incorporates mathematics into their practices? Like Koch's snowflake fractal for example, it has an infinite perimeter but a finite area. It's eternally large, but can only contain so little space.

>>18803819
>>18803821
Sick viruses bro

>>18803871
one is a torrent for a library much larger and much less discerning than thoths and the other is a pdf about working with spirits

Is Tibetan Yoga and Secret Doctrines in the library?

Where the fuck do I start with fucking Crowley.

http://www.astrumargenteum.org/en/library/student-reading-list/

Don't know much about these guys but they have a lot of material to read. I've been reading the equinoxes and trying some stuff out.


Also thought for the day, can christians be true polytheists? Isn't the main thing that you shouldn't hold other gods before God, so like if I considered Odin or Thor a god, a weaker and not omnipotent god and not my main nigga upstairs would that work? If not mainstream christians what about Jews or other Christians sects?

Any western tradition based on meditation, energy centers and doing stuff while projecting?

Hey Ape, mind if I tell you an experience so hopefully you can shower me with recs on spiritual magical books?
So there's this grill that was messing with me with magic, and I felt inclined to start loving my being, I laid in bed and started loving myself, so I fell asleep in a trance, in the dream I saw the spirit of said girl inside sum geometrical shapes, she had white spheres in her abdomen, I started pushing the spheres like buttons and fucking her in the pussy, when I woke up my dick felt as if I had actually had sex, come next day she was real pissed and wanted to end all contact.
Anything you feel can relate to this experience will be welcome.

>>18804666
Stop messing with other people, Satan.

>>18804666
Did you ask her if that was the reason she wanted to break contact with you? If that was actually her I'm not sure why she would be upset with you if she did not tell you, prior to that experience, that she would visit you. Did she tell you she was messing with magic or is that an assumption?

>>18804716
Basically she was retarded and she would gloat

Gozer the Traveler. He will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldrini, the traveler came as a large and moving Torg! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the McKetrick supplicants, they chose a new form for him: that of a giant Slor! Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!

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>>18804747
THE FORM
HAS BEEN CHOSEN

Anybody can rec me good books on druidry/celtic paganism so I can get a good feel for it?
Are the books from Joshua Free any good?

Hey Ape, circling back to "adorations taught to you by your superior" for Resh. I had someone point me towards the "kill/fill" bit of the Liber 220 as the adoration that goes after the first bit, the back of the stele. I'm not inclined to switch, particularly, but curious as to your thoughts on it. Why do you recommend the one over the other? I've seen them both floating around the internet as "people who aren't A.'.A.'. can do [this] here" suggestions.

>>18805169
The final conclusion is as thus:

>Liber L vel Legis is NOT to be changed, not so much as a single letter, from the original received manuscript
>It DOES NOT matter what the Vellum Book says. It DOES NOT matter what Crowely IMPLIED the Vellum Book MIGHT SAY.
>The word received in the L manuscript is "FILL" and none other
>The holograph manuscript is proof: http://lib.oto-usa.org/libri/liber0031.html?num=54

>>18805236
Reread the question please? I wasn't asking about the kill/fill "controversy," I just used "kill/fill" to refer to the verse that is often used in place of "adorations taught by your superior"

>>18805236
To be more clear, why do you suggest liber 963 instead of the verses from chapter III of 220

>>18805279
>why do you suggest liber 963 instead of the verses from chapter III of 220
Because Chapter III is an *OTO* adoration, for public use.
Treasurehouse of images is explicitly tied to Resh, and is the protocol used by every single extant lineage of A.'.A.'.; you'll never find an OTO superior recommending Treasurehouse because they want all orations in the OTO for Resh to be:
1) Uniform (so if you have an adoration from Treasurehouse you can substitute the Stele and everyone's on the exact same performative page.
2) To mask A.'.A.'. association; Resh in A.'.A.'. takes you through the all grade signs. OTO only teaches one usage of grade signs. This is so people can't dickwave about the A.'.A.'. on OTO time.

>>18805300
>you'll never find an OTO superior recommending Treasurehouse

It was an OTO superior who recommended Cap III, so that makes sense, AND it was at a gathering for performative magick, so that makes even more sense. Thank you <3

>>18805322
Isn't all magick performative? Abracadabra and all that

>>18805329
>Isn't all magick performative? Abracadabra and all that
Yeah but unless you have a very vivid in-built psychic audience, it's not all done in a group

>>18805329
>Abracadabra and all that
Yes, 90% of everything the OTO ever does is RP and the rest is basic-bitch yoga.

Hail unto Thee, who art Ahathoor in Thy triumphing, even unto Thee who art Ahathoor in Thy beauty.

>>18805236
For the Abramelin Oil, I have heard before that "galangal" was supposedly a mis-translation of something else [citation needed]. Have you heard this/do you follow that particular recipe?

>>18805506
Who travellest over the heavens in thy bark,
At the Midcourse of the Sun.
Tahuti standeth in his splendour at the prow,
And Ra-hoor abideth at the helm.
Hail unto Thee from the abodes of morning!

>>18805512
I just use the essence admixture of AC for the most part, though sometimes I'll screw around with the galangal root.

The original had calamus. Galangal was a Kabbalistic substitution for an oil that wouldn't burn. There are a lot of variations. Use as need dictates

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abramelin_oil.

>>18805526
What's the best place to buy that stuff? Online? I wish there were a local occult shop in my area, so I didn't have to drive all over town collecting supplies all the time. I was thinking of maybe opening one, as I certainly would have the backing, but it would probably only attract edgy goth kids who want ouija boards, in my area.

>>18805300
If you're still taking questions about resh;

From what I understand: there is the invocation done with the grade sign, the sign of silence, then the adoration.

My rising sign is scorpio, and there are 13 verses. How do I divide these throughout the day? 3,3,3,4? (dawn, noon, sunset, solar midnight).

Is there a grade sign that is assumed during the adoration? If so, where can I find the appropriate grade signs to use? Is the sign of silence followed by this adoration? (making this two in total).

I know for the invocation (hail unto thee, etc.), I will use Crowley's general recommendation. I just don't know if something else is done specifically with the adoration from the treasure house of images.

>>18805535
I use Shu (east) Thoum-aesh-neith (south) Auramot (west) and Set (north) instead of grade sign.

>>18805540
Also, I'm pretty sure you go thru the whole adoration after each invocation.

So, I've been having some random things moving and banging around in my house. I know it's not rodents because I have pretty much killed all of the rodents in my general neighborhood...do I just need to say fuck it and go around banishing in every room? Maybe even step it up a notch and do LBRP AND LBRH in every room? Or just see if it goes away? I've never had this happen until some recent workings, which were about a couple weeks ago.

>>18805540

> use Shu (east) Thoum-aesh-neith (south) Auramot (west) and Set (north) instead of grade sign.

During the invocation, the adoration, or both? For the invocation, Crowley recommends the LVX signs, sign of fire, air and water.

>And after each of these invocations thou shalt give the sign of silence, and afterward thou shalt perform the adoration that is taught thee by thy Superior.

>Also, I'm pretty sure you go thru the whole adoration after each invocation.

All of the verses? I thought it's divided up so you do 3 or four per meditation.

>>18805535
>Is the sign of silence followed by this adoration? (making this two in total).
Glad you asked this lol because I do a second one but always wonder internally if it's a thing or not

>>18805561
I think Ape is a better person to ask than I...where does Crowley say LVX and Fire/air/water?

>>18805566
But I mean, fire/air/water IS Thoum-aesh-neith/Shu/Auromot unless I'm totally confused here.

For what it's worth, Thelemapedia says

"If the adorant is not in A.'.A.'., Crowley gives four signs to be used for each station:

Dawn: all four L.V.X. Signs (Osiris Slain, Isis Mourning, Typhon, and Osiris Risen)
Noon: Sign of Fire, Thoum-aesh-neith (4°=7#)
Sunset: Sign of Air, the God Shu supporting the sky (2°=9#)
Midnight: Sign of Water, the Goddess Auramoth (3°=8#)

>>18805562

> I do a second one but always wonder internally if it's a thing or not

I'm not sure either; but i suspect that you don't. Just want to double check though.

> and afterward thou shalt perform the adoration that is taught thee by thy Superior. And then do thou compose Thyself to holy meditation.

It seems that you meditate afterwards instead.

>>18805566
>.where does Crowley say LVX and Fire/air/water?

http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Liber_Resh

Magic in Theory and Practice or Magic Without Tears. Forget which one. I'll try to pull it up.

>>18805575
That makes sense. I was only going by what I could make of the source Material, and it made sense to align the attitudes of the gods with the elemental directions, which obviously isn't even what's being recommended by Thelemapedia.

>>18805582
>>18805566
Thanks

>>18805535
>How do I divide these throughout the day
You don't, you say the whole thing every time.

>Is there a grade sign that is assumed during the adoration?
Yes, the sign of your grade in the A.'.A.'. structure.

>Is the sign of silence followed by this adoration? (making this two in total).
For Probies, yes, all the time. For everyone else....it depends on use, function, the whys and wherefores. For example, use of the Stele adoration with the sign of silence is pretty common in initiatory contexts.

>>18805540
I mean, that's perfectly fine and generally the OTO protocol, iirc.

>>18805544
^^^This.

>>18805533
Don't open one; you'll fail, not because of anything you do, but this economy does not support occult shops anymore unless you're already very well established.

>>18805560
Sure.

>>18805561
>I thought it's divided up so you do 3 or four per meditation.
What gives you this impression?

>and afterward thou shalt perform the adoration that is taught thee by thy Superior
This is the tipoff that they're talking about not only the A.'.A.'. but that the material is an instruction to Probationers, hence starting with the sign of silence.

>>18805571
You're not.

>>18805575
>"If the adorant is not in A.'.A.'., Crowley gives four signs to be used for each station:
^^^

>>18805583
>That makes sense. I was only going by what I could make of the source Material, and it made sense to align the attitudes of the gods with the elemental directions, which obviously isn't even what's being recommended by Thelemapedia.
I think Don Michael Kraig recommends the signs that you had.

>>18805590
>>Is there a grade sign that is assumed during the adoration?
>Yes, the sign of your grade in the A.'.A.'. structure.

Just for my personal edification: if one did have an A.'.A.'. grade sign, one would assume the sign for your grade for each of the 4 adorations, not a different one for each?

Additionally, when you do the bit from 963, do you come out of the grade sign?

I'm glad I'm getting the chance to ask all the super nitpicky questions I've had for the almost 4 years I've been doing Resh

>>18805598
>one would assume the sign for your grade for each of the 4 adorations, not a different one for each?
Correct.

>Additionally, when you do the bit from 963, do you come out of the grade sign?
No.

>>18805590
>What gives you this impression?

13 verses, 4 stations. I wasn't too sure. I don't mind doing all 13.

So to clarify: invocation with Crowley's signs, silence, the adoration while giving the sign of silence, then meditation?

>>18805604
>So to clarify: invocation with Crowley's signs, silence, the adoration while giving the sign of silence, then meditation?
I think this is all so confusing because the 0=0 signs are split.
If you're a probationer:
>Sign of the Enterer
>Invoke
>Sign of Silence
>Adore with Sign of Silence
>Meditate

>>18805608
Is the Sign of Silence generally used in the LRP too? Because I have been employing it, but considering the dagger in right hand, have to use left hand...is this wrong? I'm not even sure where I got it from come to think of it.

>>18805612
>but considering the dagger in right hand, have to use left hand
This is functionally correct. Notice Crowley's left hand...it's raised to his mouth and you can tell as much from the sleeve of his robe:
https://blausternschlonge.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/sgn-of-the-enterer-in-star-riby.gif

Nearly sunset here lads, anyone know of any good sunset rituals or invocations?

>>18805623
Liber Resh vel Helios

>>18802181
At the moment, I perform the LBRP and mindfulness daily. I am looking to do more however, its just hard finding the time and privacy while in college.

>>18805615
Ah ok... so you hold the sign of the enterer after the vibration/during sign of silence? THEN stand up straight and bring it around to the next quarter?

>>18805644
For right now just worry about this: >>18805608

There's really no need right now to complicate this more than it is.

Any of you guys know about Seith magick ?

Hey Ape, in the Alchemy files, what does the acronym "RAMS" stand for?

>>18805649
Do you have more pics of Crowley like that in the Library anywhere?

>>18805667
Never mind, I used my google-machine-device

>>18805667
Restorers of Alchemical Manuscripts Society (R.A.M.S.)

>>18805608
Many thanks, Ape.

Instead of >>Sign of the Enterer, can I replace this with the LVX signs, fire sign, air sign, water sign, etc.?

>>18805765
Yes if you're not in the A.'.A.'. also see >>18805649

>>18805768
>Yes if you're not in the A.'.A.'.

OK, I'm not in the A.'.A.'. for now so I want to start out with what Crowley recommends.

> also see >>18805649

I wouldn't use the neophyte signs in the LRP until I have the experience.

>>18805812
I mainly just meant see
>>18805608

>>18805812
Wait, which signs do you use now in LRP?

>>18805602
>>Additionally, when you do the bit from 963, do you come out of the grade sign?
>No.

So, sign of silence all the way through the 13 verses?

...this is going to make doing Resh in public a lot more difficult

>>18805830
>So, sign of silence all the way through the 13 verses?

Apparently.

>>18805649

> >>18805608

>Wait, which signs do you use now in LRP?

What Regardie instructs. See "the Middle Pillar" by Regardie.

>>18805830

>...this is going to make doing Resh in public a lot more difficult

You can do it all inside mentally. Just need some decent visualization.

>>18805582
> Forget which one. I'll try to pull it up.

I can't be damned to find where Crowley mentions the signs. It's there, somewhere. Sorry anon!

>>18805838
Oh ok. I've read it but not in a while. I thought you could just greentext it, but that gives me a rough idea/memory of what you're working with, anyway.

Hey, anyone know what's up with this "New Avatar Power" thing? I've never heard it before, and now a bunch of weebs are proclaiming its mightiness...waste of time? Or what?

>>18805849
>Oh ok. I've read it but not in a while. I thought you could just greentext it, but that gives me a rough idea/memory of what you're working with, anyway.

There are no signs of the neophyte in the general LRP. If you flip open the Complete Golden Dawn or Middle Pillar, it will give you all of the instructions. You can use the neophyte signs in the LRP later, if you wish.

>>18805857
The copy I have of The Golden Dawn didn't really give very specific or detailed instructions at all, so far as I remember. But I'm posting from work.

>>18805582
>>.where does Crowley say LVX and Fire/air/water?

It's in Liber ABA, pg 655: "Where the aspirant has no grade, let him give the signs given in Fig. D-F, H-K, p. 616-617: the LVX signs at dawn, 4°=7▫ at noon, 2°=9▫ at sunset, 3°=8▫ at midnight."

>>18805916
>It's in Liber ABA, pg 655

Well shit. Thanks Anon!

>>18805864

I'd suggest to look at liber O as well. For the last lines I would use "For about me flames the pentagram, and in the column stands the six-rayed star" instead of the GD one. Apparently the GD is not such a good idea.

>>933
>Well shit. Thanks Anon!

Don't thank me, thank google

Ape, I jerked off on a picture of you, and I don't think I did the ritual properly, because I still don't have my "Sycophant of Ape of Th0tH" T-shirt. What gives?

Also, can you guide me to the initiation that used to use laudanum, and perhaps some ritualistic uses of opiates? I have found them to be generally worthless so far, I'm not sure why other than the suppression of senses.

>>18805966
I know 777 mentions it briefly...

>>18805966
>What gives?
you forgot the part where you post your credit card information and a photocopy of your passport for verification purposes

>>18805991
AHH dammit I knew I did SOMEthing wrong!

>>18802597
This is an 5 vol ethnographic on hoodoo/conjurers

https://archive.org/details/HoodooConjurationWItchcraftRootwork

Every man and every woman is a star.
Bump.

>tfw no qt yogini gf to seek liberation with
how do I solve this problem?

>>18806292
Go it alone. That's the best way. If you sit around waiting for a gf before seeking enlightenment, you'll be purposelessly delaying your journey.

>>18806292
Become gay.

>>18806292
On the internet, no one knows you're a dog... I mean, grill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzhi_cDnqjk

I'm still downloading the library. How many months/years before I read a big enough chunk to go from armchair magician to actual wyyzyrd?

>>18806426
Doesn't matter how much you read, until you put any of it into practice, it's all armchair theory. However, that's not to say you shouldn't keep reading!

does peoples behaviors and sayings towards you alters dramatically mean the synchrionity in motion?

Where da white witches at?

>>18806681
on top of my fierce linga, their sweet yonis pulsating around my rod of pure shakti

Hail unto Thee who art Tum in Thy setting, even unto Thee who art Tum in Thy joy, who travellest over the heavens in thy bark at the Down-going of the Sun. Tahuti standeth in His splendour at the prow, and Ra-Hoor abideth at the helm. Hail unto Thee from the Abodes of Day!

>934

I actually did it on time tonight for a change, you guys are inspiring me ;)

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>>18807126
I'm around Anon, what did you want to talk about occult-wise?

how do I summon a succubus?

>>18807334
I have a question. I am building a list of essential reading to share with people. What do you suggest I absolutely must read? Beginner and expert wise.

Ape is a jape.

>>18802311
That looks pretty intense. What's your day job?

Can anybody tell me about cults that involve sexual orgies as well as demeaning your existence, breaking you by convincing you that you deserve to die and then rebirthing you? This is in Orlando Do, and someone I knows wife is trying to get him involved. Apparently her whole family are a part of of and they are pressuring him to join it. Anybody heard of anything like this?

>>18805641
>finding the time and privacy while in college.
A lot of colleges with muslim students have prayer rooms. They are great for meditating in and they can't kick you out because they are supposed to be nondenominational spaces.

>>18807450
if you just want the orgies you can look into polyamory communities.

>>18807459
Nah I don't care for the orgy bit, more so the organization that runs it. This guy was scared and paranoid of his wife. He thinks she might try to kill him unless he joins. Y'all gotta know something about it

>>18807421
>essential reading
>What do you suggest I absolutely must read? Beginner and expert wise

In my opinion, Agrippa, Books of Occult Philosophy.

Well I've scryed Ape of Th0th and it turns out he has at one point or another had sex with a pig. A literal pig.

He also likes big strong muscular men.
since he's obviously lonely if any of you are big and burly maybe you should lend a hand to th0th.

>>18807454
I live in the deep South, so all we have here are campus churches that technically aren't affiliated with the college. Right now I'm doing my ritual work in between classes in my room, and unfortunately my roommate has no social life aside from hanging out with me so I can't get much done for the rest of the day.

>>18807538
>He also likes big strong muscular men.
who doesn't though

>>18807489
Thanks, is already in my list.

>>18807538
I'd just like thoth to know that I also blame him for this post. Well not really, I get the feeling you get butt mad over the wind, so it doesn't really matter whether or not he did anything.

>>18807709
It's got a good hodge-podge of everything: elements, Kabbalah, astrology, alchemy, etc.

I think it's great if you're looking to get into hermeticism or high magick.

bamp

Redpill me on Dragon Magic and in the mardukite research revivalist magics.

What is the chapel perilous and how does it relate to the concept of initiation?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM95HQ2rpV0

bump

https://discord.gg/xQpQu

>>18807594
Maybe you can explain to your roommate what it is you're doing and why you're doing it, and they will let you go about your business when you need to? I'm not sure how people in the south feel about that sort of thing.

>>18809297
Yeah, that's probably my best bet. He's a really nice guy, but I know he's going to judge me at least a little for my practices.

>>18809297
The big upside is that he isn't a super hardline Christian. Most people here think that occultism is pretty much devil worship, especially the more religious ones.

>>18809354
Yeah, my aunt is from down that way, and my sister lived in Georgia for about two years, so I understand that, which is pretty fucked up to be honest. Just think of it this way: they can judge you for your practices, but it's not any more or less "ridiculous" (perspective-wise) than the stuff they do and believe happens in church and life in general. Also, if I understand correctly, your practices have a higher purpose than to submit and allow oneself to become a slave and a victim, which cannot be said about Christianity writ large.

>>18808490
If you're looking for Sumerian/Babylonian, then Ape's got a folder for Babylonian in the mega. Sorry if I'm incorrect, I'm still very much a newb. Though, I think what you're searching for might be a little more new age/"woo"

>>18808875
>chapel perilous
>how does it relate to the concept of initiation?
Well, in Arthurian legend, the chapel perilous was the dangerous place where a sorceress tried to seduce one of Arthur's knights. In this context, it stands against everything Sir Lancelot stands for and his quest. Where he remains pure, she would corrupt. Where he remains alive, she would bring death. Etc.

In the context of an initiate, it's when a beginner is given information that contradicts their idea of reality. The initiate might have a difficult time accepting this new information. So it creates a dissonance within them.

I'd liken it unto, perhaps, Plato's allegory of the cave - where one discovers reality's true nature; and has the difficult decision to either reject it and join back in the in cave OR accept it and leave ignorance behind.

>>18809380
That's a good point, they pray and ask God to perform magic on their behalf, so in truth what I do isn't too different. Thanks for your advice!

>>18809426
Mardukite research are a group who do revivalistic books.
Dragon magic is an interest of mine, as it seems to be the kind of magic I once triggered accidentally after being given a dragon awakening or dragon gnosis by my deity.

>>18809461
You're welcome! Good luck!

>>18803199
you assume they are different.

>>18803263
>>18803723
What's wrong with Ravenworlf?

>>18809487
Like I stated, I'm not accustomed to Sumerian/Babylonian magic. Hence, a newb in this aspect. But when I read/hear recreationist, revivalistic, or that it's some sort of reinacting - I'm always weary.

Complete outsider here, lurking out of curiosity cause someone from /tg/ redirected me here.

Have any of you actually gotten results from your magicks? If so, what approach do you practice?

>>18809497
Not that anon, but I agree - they are one in the same. But I think they meant "occult" - which is more secretive, hidden. That's my assumption anyway.

>>18809525
Read the thread! You'll get a lot out of just doing that, for starters.

What is the best pranayama and why is it kapalabhati?

>>18809576
Breathing and cleansing, what's not to like???

>>18809503
Ravenwolf is criticized for churning out tons of fluffy, watered down books on magic for profit.

>>18809539
well, I see a lot of people saying what they do. and a bunch of esoteric jargon I can't make heads or tails of. Neither of those really answers that core question. I guess there is one guy having a weird dream, but you can do that through all manners of means, including actual seizures which kind of seems likely given what he described especially given he has a history of them.

I haven't really seen anyone talking about having an effect on the outside world, just stuff in their head.

Haha I JUST noticed, at the end of Treasure House of Images, after "Written by J.F.C. Fuller" it says "many adjectives removed by Aleister Crowley." The man had a hell of a sense of humor.

>>18809608
I'm pretty sure you're misconstruing some fairly basic things you read. So, what are you looking for specifically that hasn't been mentioned in the thread? The phenomena that occur as a result of some of these practices?

>>18809608
>I haven't really seen anyone talking about having an effect on the outside world, just stuff in their head

What I think you're referring to is spell casting - performing a ritual or spell to manifest the will of the practitioner upon the world?

You want to know if these rituals/spells have yielded positive results? Well, that's practioner specific.

>>18809608
>I haven't really seen anyone talking about having an effect on the outside world, just stuff in their head.

Well, there's a surprise.

I normally only lurk since I find the psychological aspect of the esoteric fascinating. While ritual may help people satisfy a primal urge to fulfil a 'spiritual' side that we all seem to have, and while some value can be taken from ancient practices and rites in terms of allegory, anyone who thinks any of this will change the physical world is a fucking moron.

>>18809646
>tfw anon subscribes to the psychological model
>calling Carl Jung and William James morons

MY SIDES!

>>18809627
maybe magic means something different than I have been lead to believe?

I was led to believe that magic was a process by which a person affects the world around them in supernatural ways.

>>18809637
Right, and I'm asking if any practitioners here have success stories, and if so, what approach to magic they were using.

Basically asking if any of you have ever gotten code to compile and run before deciding whether it's worth looking into learning the language.

>>18809657
The psychological manifestations of the 'spiritual' may have profound and behaviour altering effects on individuals or groups which will, in turn, lead to a real world change. Jung and James were by no means morons.

I believe you know I was referring to what the layman would call magic in the traditional sense.

8/8 for making me reply.

>>18809663
Asking for anecdotal evidence of the paranormal on a Mongolian tapestry weaving forum.

>>18809697
if I'm gonna do it, is there any better place to ask than /x/?

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>>18809689
Jung advocated the spirit model over the psychological model.

>I will NEVER get sick of posting this image.

>>18809702
source?

>>18809701
Look at people historically who have claimed to be successful and see if there is any documented proof. Do some research.

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>>18809646
>>18809689
>pic related

>>18809663
Like I said, it's practioner specific. If you perform a cleansing ritual and you feel better after doing so - is that not a success?

>>18809733
>If you perform a cleansing ritual and you feel better after doing so - is that not a success?
not exactly a tale of effecting the world around you though, now is it? In fact, could just as easily be placebo effect.

Are there spells/rituals to affect things outside ones own subjective experience?

>>18809733
Exactly what I was talking about in the second post. Yes that would be a success, which is fucking fascinating that it works for people.

>>18809689
I think you missed my point. Jung believed in what the layman would call magic in the traditional sense. Pretty sure James did, too. I wish I had that image Ape always posts when these conversations come up! Ape, where are ya when I need ya?

>>18809761
Well I'll endeavour to read into it further. I hope the argument is compelling.

>>18809761
>call magic in the traditional sense
what's a nontraditional sense then?

>>18809786
IDK I was quoting >>18809689

>>18809761
Haha Ape posted it before I refreshed the page whilst typing... that's timing at its finest!

>>18809786
Non-traditional magic would be faggot vegas magicians and lazy explanations for neat parlour tricks.

Traditional magic would be the occult and esoteric.

Any good movies / documentaries I can watch on these type of things?

>>18809831
I thought those were called prestidigitation, what with just actually being illusions, misdirection, and sleight of hand.

>>18809751
Let me counter you with this:

What is objective reality? Isn't everything a "subjective experience"?

If you're coming from a scientific/atheistic background, you'd understand that we can only perseive "seeable" light. We cannot see ultraviolet light or infrared. Bees, however, CAN see ultraviolet light - which makes their perception of reality different from our own. So, who's to say which reality is more accurate or correct? We cannot see infrared light without the assistance of mechanical aid. Same goes for color-blind persons or the blind, isn't ALL of our perception of reality flawed?

>>18809850
>what the layman would call magic in the traditional sense

Key word being layman. When's the last time you heard anyone who was actually interested in this stuff use the word "prestidigitation" in context.

Any tricks for becoming detached from distraction? Like fucking 4chan for example.

>>18809867
Meditation and yoga, friend.

>>18809713
https://books.google.com/books?id=G0TLCQAAQBAJ&pg=PA431&lpg=PA431&dq=%22i+once+discussed+the+proof+of+identity+for+a+long+time+with+a+friend+of+william+james%22&source=bl&ots=UEGtxZCsO0&sig=vvZR4wzoN8SJ85oxTiGw9fyWLxE&hl=en&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwinhJLwyO3SAhULxYMKHbdxA_kQ6AEIGjAA#v=onepage&q=%22i%20once%20discussed%20the%20proof%20of%20identity%20for%20a%20long%20time%20with%20a%20friend%20of%20william%20james%22&f=false

>>18809909
>Meditation and yoga, friend.
already do. Not working. I'm still shitposting when not doing yoga

>>18809927
Then I suspect you aren't doing it right. I'd need more details to be able to confirm or deny my suspicion, though.

>>18809933
I'm less attached to being a dipshit since yoga. For example, Idgaf about porn now.

But I'm still addicted to browsing this shithole and >tfw no gf.

>>18809855
Reality is the shared content and events being subjectively interpreted by observers.
And I would say an experience, i.e. an interpretation of reality, becomes (at least more) objective when it can be witnessed identically by multiple observers. The broader the audience interpreting reality uniformly, the more objective that interpretation is. This is why in science reproducability is important. It is one more observer saying "I observed this interaction and witnessed it occur in an identical manner." It is also why they seek increasingly accurate and omniscopic sensors, to have mechanical observers that can witness where the human eye cannot. It is through this process that they seek "facts," objectively true interpretations of reality. Sometimes they decide something is fact prematurely, but that there is something there to interpret and that it follows consistent rules, the whole reason why reproducability is possible at all, means that while none of us are in a position to experience it, an objective and consistent reality does exist. The elephant stands, even if we are just blind men groping it up.

So here I stand, saying "tell me of your encounters with this elephant. You say it has thick legs that flatly meet the ground. Can you describe any experiences, anything that you witnessed about this elephant's leg, that suggests it's not just a tree trunk?"

Yet you have not done so.

>>18809867
actually, I know this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Lx1kIrempw

>>18809946
Well, I guess you're making progress. I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with porn or browsing online message boards, the problem comes in when one becomes obsessed or 'addicted' (and I use that term loosely here).

>>18809951
Video sounds like a conspiracy theory to me, more than a scientific study... also, the internet *shouldn't* have that effect, but it certainly does to a lot of members of a certain young generation.

>>18809946
Also, you might be interested in checking out a book called "The Relaxation Response," if you want to try approaching this from a different angle.

>>18809964
if you go over on Extra Credits they talk about how this is something that game devs actively try to add and how to do it ethically and humanely, as well as how to make it something more creative and enjoyable than the basic run-of-the-mill skinner box.

I can't imagine other tech companies would ignore such a useful tool.

>>18809951
>>18809957
>>18809972
thanks

>>18809951
>elephant and blind men metaphor
Not new to me. If you recall, each man interprets the elephant differently as they can only interpret parts of the whole - much like in my visible light analogy with the bee, the colorblind, and the sighful.

If anything you are only strengthening my resolve.

>Can you describe any experiences, anything that you witnessed about this elephant's leg, that suggests it's not just a tree trunk?
>Yet you have not done so

Correct. I did give the example of the cleansing ritual; but you seemed dissatisfied - saying it was too subjective.

I'm not going to laundry list you with all of the success stories of rituals and spells - that is for YOU to figure out and decipher for yourself.

If you want to hear success stories, why don't you create your own?

>>18809996
I brought up the elephant metaphor SPECIFICALLY to talk to you on your own terms of subjective experiences of man and bee. Pay attention to how I used it, to what end I was using it, what I was trying to say.

And no, I did not say it was too subjective, I said that your cleansing ritual anecdote provides no evidence it's not just placebo effect, i.e. the tree. "Feelings" are something many things can affect, up to and including nothing other than believing they will be affected. Saying your "feelings" changed does not differentiate between leg and tree.

So again I ask, can anyone, anyone at all in this thread, stop dodging the question and tell me of an experience you've had that affected more than just your internal experience of reality? Even affecting /someone else's/ internal experience without their knowledge of your attempting would be proof of /something/ transpiring.

You say you have a laundry list, but all I'm asking for is one solid example.

>>18810049
Not that anon, but...We're not here to prove shit to you. That was your trip, not ours. You can choose to try for yourself and find out for yourself, or not. I don't really care either way, and I suspect most of the other regulars in these threads feel the same way.

>>18810073
Eyuh.
I can direct you to "Undergraduate Chemistry 34th Edition" but I can't force you to do the copper transforms.

I can direct you to Lemegeton but I can't force you to perform the rites.

>>18810049
>tell me of an experience
I can tell you a few dozen but they're all anecdotes from r/shitpostchan so I dunno why you think they're gonna cut through the veil of subjectivity.

>>18810073
A new question, then. Since you appear to have no success stories that can't be explained as placebo effect (otherwise you would have just flopped one out like it was no big thing and I'd have gone "wow alright sweet where do I start on learning this amazing thing"), why do you continue to practice it?

Is it just sunk cost fallacy? "If I stop now I'll have to admit that I put a bunch of time and energy into something I can't prove has any substantial effect on my life"?

>>18810049
Even if we did you'd want impossibly increasing ammounts of evidence, all of it without paying us for it and expecting lab grade quality in our evidence providing, which is hilarious since doing magic isn't illegal, so you could just get initiated and try for yourself.

>>18810204
Obsession about "belief" is a VERY recent concept. Before the wreckage of the Reformation was complete (and it still holds true in pre-complex cultures), it was more like this: God, Jesus, or any pagan God or spirit probably exists whether you accept or reject them. Their ontological existence was never particularly in question.

The dealbreaker was whether or not you actively cultivated a relationship with said entity.

For more, see Good's "Medical Anthropology and the Problem of Belief".

Moreover, given your reference to the remedial section of "Rhetorical Fallacies" and admission to wanting to be convinced by others rather than experimentation when there's not mechanism of proof on a Indonesian lacquer mixing vBulletin makes me not regret being dismissive of your appeal for our anecdotes.

>Also, that's not how placebo works. Placebo refers to a phenomenon in double blind studies where an inert substance is ingested under the false impression that it's a medication (or at least concession that it may or may not be). Most 'magick' that we deal with here doesn't involve ingestion, and if it does, the substance is most assuredly NOT 'inert'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uobDjn4TSc

>>18810235
The nigga doesn't even have to 'get' initiated. There is self-initiation, which isn't really necessary for most stuff so far as I'm aware, unless you and I are using different working definitions of 'initiation,' which is also possible.

>>18810240
Right, like, who comes to a Native American Wampum weaving instructional course for DeVry University's Fine Arts program, then asks questions like that?
Getta loada this guy!

>>18810240
>This phenomenon, in which the recipient perceives an improvement in condition due to personal expectations, rather than the treatment itself, is known as the placebo effect or placebo response.

You know exactly what he means, stop being pedantic.

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>>18810255
You realize that when you tell me to stop being pedantic then quote a definition at me that's practically BEGGING for me to go mega-wank pedantic mode and reference the OED.

Hm....lemme see what IT has to say on the subject....

>NOUN
>1. A medicine or procedure prescribed for the psychological benefit to the patient rather than for any physiological effect.
>1.1. A substance that has no therapeutic effect, used as a control in testing new drugs.
>1.2. A measure designed merely to humour or placate someone.
‘pacified by the placebos of the previous year, they claimed a moral victory’
>Origin - Late 18th century: from Latin, literally ‘I shall be acceptable or pleasing’, from placere ‘to please’.

>>18810289
Oh no PLEASE not the frog!

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>>18810309
I-I'm just trying to help.

>>18810315
Well, I guess as long as none of us are delusional enough to think you're affecting a national election with it, it's acceptable.

>>18810315
Ape, I found out today one of my friends from high school died suspiciously, possibly he was murdered. Is there anything I can reference in the library to say a few things in his honor, or am I better of improvising on my own? Thanks.

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>>18810368
Fuck Kek.

Ape, thanks for clearing up stuff about Resh. I made some adjustments and I had a good dream today about it. A heliotrope flower tasting like honey with bees swarming on it and offering the flower to a very chill older lady who ate it. It felt like I was waiting for this dream. It had a nice ambiance.

>>18810235
I have done no such thing, nor do I intend to. I merely want one (1) anecdote from any one of you, hopefully multiple of you, successfully affecting something outside your own perception. Truthfully I was looking for a place to start. Figured "okay, I'll see which ones give me stories that sound plausible that way I have at least some idea which approaches hold water, and I can start my learning there." Because from what I can gather there looks to be a lot of floundering around in the dark, not a lot of approaches agree on how things work. Figured the ones that are getting results would at least be closer to the truth. If you wanna learn basketball, you ask the people landing baskets. Might not be experts, but it's evidenced they clearly know more than you.

At the very least I kind of expected somebody to lie and make up something insultingly false like "oh yeah I once kidnapped the president by shooting fireballs at all the guards" just to say "here's your story now leave us alone," just cause 4chan is traditionally anti-social and aggressive to uninitiated newfags to their cliche, but not even that much has occurred.

I got nothing but question dodging. Which is the response of someone not rudely wanting rid of me, or who has encountered what they believe in, but who just doesn't want to think about it.

Which leads me to believe that not a single approach being practiced by those in this thread has any measurable merit, and anything they are accomplishing, apparently wholly mental, would honestly best be done with hypnotism and therapy, perception alteration techniques that have used the scientific method to grow towards greater effectiveness rather than taking blind stabs in the dark.

So I gotta ask if you aren't getting supernatural results, like... why are you still attempting the supernatural, at the very least in the ways you currently are? When something doesn't work, you try something new, unless you're just too embarrassed it's not working.

>>18810383
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhGz72AVXNY

>>18810382
>WW11
>11
Dubs.

Can someone explain my why /x/ hates chaos magick?

It seems like a great way to hack your unconscious

>>18810404
Well it got Trump elected for starters.

>>18810407
Serious?
Do you believe it was an actual Egyptian deity or just weird synchronicity??

>>18810387
>here's your story now leave us alone,
If I'm not going to humor you why would I even bother with that?

>but who just doesn't want to think about it.
Or someone who's dealt with like five plus years of doubters and relatively weak skeptics asking for us to prove...whatever...to you.

>Which leads me to believe that not a single approach being practiced by those in this thread has any measurable merit
The library has at least three texts on full bio/psychomedical implications of a few forms of mystical practice from Christian to Buddhist with special attention to Kabbalah, if you'd bothered to look.

>techniques that have used the scientific method
I have like 11 volumes of detailed notes on my shelf.

But you're obviously only here to prove to us/yourself how mind blowingly intellectual you are for being like every other dismissive skeptic who already made up their mind years before posting ITT.

>>18810412
What is a deity, really?

>>18810426
Self aware being. Do you think the one we shall not name is self aware conscioua being?

>>18810387
Dig this https://runesoup.com/2017/03/talking-remote-viewing-with-lyn-buchanan/
I don't really try for supernatural effects but supernatural things do sometimes happen when I do rituals for other reasons. Thing like sudden electronic failures or ending a rite earlier than i started when i wrote down when I started. No one else is in the room when i do them so i can't tell you if it's some sort of inexplicably powerful self-hypnosis but I can tell you that i've spent a good deal of time doing self-hypnosis and never managed that sort of hallucination or been surprised by
powerful effects I wasn't trying to give rise to. Did have a girlfriend, a secular humanist medical student from a small town who had a friend that supposedly had pretty precise telekinetic powers, a friend of hers who supposedly also saw it backed her up. They could point to light objects and tell her to move them to another spot in a room and she'd be able to do it consistently without touching the objects. This is all true, but i see no good reason you should believe me, which i suspect is why other posters didn't offer anecdotes.

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If I were to commit suicide, which Being should I held killing myself as a blood sacrifice for to ensure the best afterlife?

Please respond.

http://www.oxfordhandbooks.com/view/10.1093/oxfordhb/9780199935420.001.0001/oxfordhb-9780199935420-e-28

>>18810424
how do you ever convert new practitioners if you refuse to answer basic questions to anyone who doesn't immediately hop on your cock and believe everything you say?

>>18810444
Dig this https://runesoup.com/2017/03/talking-remote-viewing-with-lyn-buchanan/
>>18810424
>The library has at least three texts on full bio/psychomedical implications of a few forms of mystical practice from Christian to Buddhist with special attention to Kabbalah, if you'd bothered to look.
As in the MEGA? See, that's useful, why didn't anybody just say that instead of dicking around the bush and saying "we don't have any obligation to respond to you, just go learn all of magic and try it yourself and see if you get anything"?

Thank you. Not sure if it's helps on the "which approach" question, I'll have to read further into these articles, but at least I have some proof that there IS some substance to this magic stuff. Bless you for finally having pity on this poor soul.

>>18810486
>Please respond.
Call 1-800-273-8255

>>18810505
Lmao you should know pls respond is an old /fit/ meme.

That being said, hypothetically, would Orobas be a good choice?

>>18810494
>"which approach" question
When i've gotten effects, it's been while i've been single-mindedly focused, in a deeper more intense version of the sort of flow state I get when i'm playing basketball well. I know deep concentration states are considered important in at least a few traditions, I'd suggest maybe working on your concentration while you look for a tradition of magic to work in.

>>18810494
>how do you ever convert new practitioners
>convert
I don't want to instruct anyone weak enough to be convinced by my words alone. Period.

>to anyone who doesn't immediately hop on your cock and believe everything you say
I don't ask anyone to believe anything I say which is why I don't say it or ask people to listen.

>why didn't anybody just say that
Because we were operating under the sore delusion that you'd at least thumbed through the library before making really general assertions about stuff you're not even particularly familiar with but I should have lowered my expectations beyond even that most minimum of expectations.

>>18810515
I came here when this site invaded Totse the first time, so I don't particularly need a lesson on memes.
>That being said
No, call the suicide prevention line if you need someone to speak with about matters of suicide.

>>18810505
Ape, shall I make a new /omg/ or are you cooking something up? I just don't wanna end up with two, and I'm interested in your updates, anyway. Thanks.

>>18810486
I would call (800) 784-2433 for assistance on that matter.

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>>18810540
>>18810535
Fine, maybe ill just put a lucifer blood sacrifice curse on your asses if that day ever comes.

>>18810537
Go for it.
I'm having dinner.

>>18810555
fight me, edgelord 13rold..

>>18810562
Haha arent to so tough now
*unseathea katana
*sticks it to stomach
>Papa Lucifer!I command thee to put a curse on this Anon
*dies


Hahaha well see now how you survive

>>18810581
you can't suicide curse me if I suicide curse you back first!
*Hroawrh!*

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>>18810586
>*PSHHHHHHHHHHT* NUTHIN' PERSONNEL, FRATER

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>>18810586
*ascends from hell
>Kusoo!!! Omae wa... now youve really done it. Soon you will feel sorry for that...
*descends back

>>18810595
looks like daniel radcliffe

>>18810601
I DON'T LIKE EM PUTTING CHEMICALS IN THE WATER THAT TURNS THE FRIGGIN FROGS GAY FRIGGIN FROGS THE TURNS THAT WATER THE IN CHEMICALS PUTTING EM LIKE DON'T I

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>>18810602
>when you grow out your beard to hide the fact that constant and severe alcohol abuse is eroding your face like a chalk cliff in sandy winds

Are skeptics tsundere?
>it's not like I want to learn magic or anything b-baka!

>>18810627
They can go be tsun fucks somewhere else.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28sF2-amfMI

>>18810633
Hey Ape was this you earlier

>>18805768

Or the OTO anon? Just curious.

>>18810627
no more so than missionary atheists.

New thread >>>18810667 if anyone's interested

>Read on the Maergjzirah
>our tradition comes from the 1400s
>the most important part is rising the kundalini

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