Occultism & Magick: Library Update 45

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>Pyramid Texts with annotations through Pyramid of Unas.
>Dark Shamans: Kanaima and the Poetics of a Violent Death.
>My copy of Kaulajnananirnaya Tantra with annotations.

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Rare unpublished Helen Oliver art.

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>>18756491
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDMtaIcrfQ0

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>>18756555
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAJTeCJ7NG0

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Any spells to make me the special Mary Sue undead I've always wanted to be?

>>18756642
I dunno, probably in the 1e materials somewhere, maybe a B/X adventure or something.

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Bump.

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>>18756761
Thanks mate.

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>>18756775
>>18756761
FUCK ME I just remembered that Kala Sampa posted the rest of the Zorn anthologies, I should really get those uploaded.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qis2EFSLjlM

>>18756491
>>18756555
bump asking the sauce of those neat drawings

>>18756883
Helen Oliver, aka Soro Pasht Akhti, former member of the Cultus Sabbati.

I have some typescripts of hers with hers and Chumbley's blood.

I don't have my archive of her pics on this partition, gimme a second.

>>18756893
>>18756883
>93
>Soror
http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/18131927/#18131927

>>18756199
Ape, some anon in another thread is interested (albeit asshole-ly) in the difference between IHVH and Yeheshuah in hermetic tradition and the god and Jesus of the Bible... I feel like Crowley wrote something on this... is there anything in the library I can point them toward so they don't have to just take my word for it?

>>18756893
>>18756900
Thanks a lot!

>>18756931
YHVH and YHShVH are elemental formulas.
YHVH are the four basic constituents of matter, air, earth, fire water (in no particular order).
The Shin (Sh) is the descent of spirit to animate and redeem the gross material.

IIRC this is all in the Adeptus material of the Golden Dawn but I could be mistaken.

You could direct them to Magick in Theory and Practice's chapter on the formula of the neophyte.

>>18756958
Thank you, kind sir! I'm not trying to start a wizard fight, but this anon says he practices western occultism, but doesn't like Hermeticism because it's Jude-xtian. Or something. I' confuse, at any rate.

>>18756973
Formula of the Neophyte doens't make much sense without the preliminary discussion on YHVH in the previous chapter but it's all sorta there in roundabout ways.

>>18756981
Thanks. I hope you don't mind that I just direct quoted you in that thread, with proper attribution. I'm getting the sense that I'm trying to lend a hand to a LARPer now, though.
-Heru Ra Ha

>>18757005
Sure thing man.

Anybody hang out with the Temple of Astarte?

Are they pretty cool?

bumping. I've currently trying to read A. E. Waite's The Doctrine and Literature of the Kabalah, but it's tough. All this abstract stuff, when I'd rather get to the nuts and bolts. Any suggestions?

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>unfucked
Aww yiss

>>18756981
Want the Elizabeth English vajrayogini book, or the Wisdom edition of tsongkhapa's lamp, or some other translations of vajrayana classics that aren't in your library?

I want one of two things. Either to get rid of my depression or to make my poetry better. Which is easier to do with the occult? And how do I do it?

>>18757981
Me too, getting rid of depression would be amazing!

>>18756247
I know what some of those words mean.

>>18757045
I have confirmed them for some combination LARPer and "rationalist." Thanks for the info anyway, pal. I still gained something from it
regardless.

>>18757954
Yes.

You're slipping.

>>18758336
We have a resident post who's DESPERATE to discredit any magick he doesn't practice as jewish. It's sorta sad, considering the origins of Hermetica in the GMP.

>>18758525
Hm?
How so?

Quick question. I see the Tantraloka Chapters 5-37 listed clearly, but I didn't happen to see Chapters 1-4. Where/what should I be looking at/for?

>>18758540
Chapters 1-4 are just above chapters 5-37 in the folder:
>Eastern>Saivism>Abhinavagupta & Uttara Kaula Trika

>>18758551

Thanks!

>>18758562
No problem, friend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Htl3XWUhUOM

>>18758568
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwEFqT_A8bI

mite b gud

http://www.llewellyn.com/product.php?ean=9780738752587

>>18758589
https://youtu.be/eciZWNdkGqs

>>18758668
for $200 I'd hope so

Are there texts in the library on internal alchemy, celibacy, brahmacharya?

>>18758719
>internal alchemy
Yes, and normative.

>celibacy, brahmacharya?
No.

>>18758744
I feel like a pig in shit. I'd been coming to these threads and not actively exploring the archive.

I'm going to burn through 100 dollars worth of ink and printer paper, at least.

I don't know if you're the one who put this together but kudos.

>>18758764
>you're the one who put this
Yes.
Last I had it appraised it was over 200k+ in worth, and that was BEFORE I added all the scans of unpublished materials. It's converted worth is now very likely "priceless" since I've some scans of materials from a founding collection (Sloane) of the London Museum.

Still a couple I need to post as well.

And that's not even counting the stuff I scanned for the first time (Tantraloka, Equinox 5:4, Blazing Dew of Stars, Secret School of Wisdom).

>>18758693
>93
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GukNjYQZW8s

>>18756958
This was exceedingly useful, thank you very much. It solved my major issue of GD being too Christian for my stomach.

Why isn't this written on the cover of GD books?

>>18758484
Ok, same gmail?

This library is exactly what I was looking for to try out "magick" and just get decent reading material in general. Thanks.

I have a quick question regarding evoking : Is it better to evoke alone, or does the presence of an outsider to the ritual can affect the outcome ?

>>18756247
#3, kind sir.

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>>18758784
https://youtu.be/ds5yzEOF3nQ

>>18758527
That makes sense as to why they're being such an obstinate asshole. Not that I'm anti-semitic or would care if it was super Jewish, but there is clearly a huge gap between Jewish mysticism and Wectern Heremeticism. May I ask, are you an Anthropologist? Because you speak/write like one.

>>18758945
Sure.

>>18758904
Because it expects you to read.

>>18758954
Doesn't matter. Don't run group unless you're all sorta halfway competent.

>>18759461
>May I ask, are you an Anthropologist? Because you speak/write like one.
Archaeologist and museum administrator.

>>18759537
That sounds like a KILLER job. I dig you, man.

>>18759541
I mean, it could be better, but I have a semester left on my masters, so here's to looking up.

>>18759546
Cheers, mate.

>>18759546
May I ask what University you attend? Or is that asking for too much on a board like this?

Where can I find gems for wholesale? Must I travel to Afrika? Also I visited sacredfires on Shopify because sage goddess is becoming worse by the minute and bought some spell bottles. What else is good for beginners?

>>18759646
>Or is that asking for too much on a board like this?
That.
But the collection is encyclopedic with over 170k objects and the largest for a few hundred miles in most directions. I've posted pics from it.

>>18759776
Yeah, I got the impression it was a major institution. Was the Tantraloka you posted the Uni's, or yours?

>>18759782
>yours
Mine, it's an edition that runs over three hundred dollars to order. But it's the only full English translation and I love you insufferable faggots.

>>18759786
You da man! I often find myself wondering why anyone with a shred of a life spends time on here. But then I remember the conversation we had about the "rare gems" to be found among the torrents of shit. I feel like more actual practitioners are coming on here as time goes by... maybe it's just because I'm fairly new here?

can any of you cast fireball yet?

>>18759878
Probably all of us. That's like, Magick 101

>>18759878
1) That's a fifth level spell and most of us are still figuring out the Arcane Tradition unlock.
2) >2017 >"damage" spells

>>18759854
It's cyclic.

>>18759888
All I know about magick I learned form video games

What books do you have on discrete deities?

>>18759896
I feel like, when I spend excessive amounts of time on here, it hinders my workings. Do you find that? Before coming on here I only ever used the internet for porn (and that rarely), I don't even have a social media account. Maybe it's just being on the computer in general?

>>18759904
Most of 'em will be in the Eastern folder.
Maybe Panparadox.

>>18759906
No because everything I do is in the name of the Work and thus far I've had enough free time to shitpost, enroll in an international grad honors society, do enough Yoga to get by, and perform my ritual obligations.

I mean, I walk an hour, past my outdoor ritual spot, erry day to and from campus. Not like I don't have plenty of opportunity to use it.

surly, with so many well read occultists and such a vast library here, someone in this thread can give me a decent explanation of the nature of magick?

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>>18759920
"Any logically consistent transcendental idealism rids the world of transcendence and opacity."
~t. Maurice Merleau-Ponty

"12) Man is ignorant of the nature of his own being and powers. Even his idea of his limitations is based on experience of the past, and every step in his progress extends his empire. There is therefore no reason to assign theoretical limits to what he may be, or what he may do.

note: i.e., except---possibly---in the case of logically absurd questions such as the Schoolmen discussed in connection with "God".

(Illustration: A generation ago it was supposed theoretically impossible that man should ever know the composition of the fixed stars. It is known that our senses are adapted to receive only a fraction of the possible rates of vibration.Modern instruments have enabled us to detect some of these supra-sensibles by indirect methods, and even to use their peculiar qualities in the service of man, as in the case of the rays of Hertz and Roentgen. As Tyndall said, man might at any moment learn to perceive and utilize vibrations of all conceivable and inconceivable kinds. The question of Magick is a question of discovering and employing hitherto unknown forces in nature. We know that they exist, and we cannot doubt the possibility of mental or physical instruments capable of bringing us into relation with them.)"
~t. Aleister Crowley

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>>18759927
>>18759920
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es0ABq_fDjk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sI8ohPTzIE

>>18759927
Thank you for the thoughtful and measured response.

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>>18759920

Magic is manifesting changes in perception and the world around you through will.

>>18759985
Don't forget the trialogues.
Skepticism and the Balkanization of Epistemology covers the typed quotes.
Entities covers the image (though quickly forks off into speculation because McKenna, but the first one's solid as shit).

>>18760002
Sorry, I am >>18759985 and >>18759906 and was responding to >>18759918

>>18760002
Ape, there was a guy some time ago claiming to have been hired by a major corporation who supposedly did summoning" (I thought it was weird he never used the term evocation) and claimed that his job was to build physical, electrical, computerized "wards," and wrote computer programs that allegedly "summoned" millions of "entities" that he claimed were the ethereal equivalent of microbes, intelligence-wise, but that they performed rites and summoned intelligent entities as well. He claimed he could "ward" against the bad karma that was inevitable if such operations were actually performed for the purposes he claimed. Is this just advanced LARPing? Or do you suppose there is something to it? I'm asking you in particular because you know way more about this stuff than I do, and it seems like something within your realm of knowledge/experience to either confirm or debunk. Thanks!

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Hey ape, love your work.

I just finished Prometheus rising, I'm reading my big toe, I love the law of one, and pretty much anything relating to consciousness.

Do you have any recommendations from your library? I'm much less interested in magic practice (aside from meditation) than I am enlightening my intellect and intuition.

>>18760066
Advanced larp.

THAT SAID, people with the ability knowledge and access will hire evokatory "hitmen". Not like killers but folks willing to travel near a target and run this or that ritual. Generally the people with access to this are cunts and/or mid to high degree members of occult orgs.

>warding via program
There's an old fable which I haven't been able to find in years of a chaos/discordian group uploading a viral system based on...some weird principle, I can't remember, that ended up crashing systems all over the pacific rim sometime in the late 80's or early 90's.

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>>18760066
this reminds me of the nerdy kid in THE GATE 2 who was summoning demons with pentagrams made of computer controlled laser beams.

>>18760084
With the exception of Prometheus Rising, that all looks pretty awful.

I dunno. Pick around the A.'.A.'.>Philosophy folder.

>>18760092
Thank you. Yeah they sound like real douches to do a thing like that.

>warding via program
Very interesting. Do you lend credence to it?

>>18760094
You ever seen Evilspeak with Ron Howard's deformed brother?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXT61J08bLU

>>18760106
I dunno I'd have to find the story again.
I remember this from back in the days of TOTSE when this website was a gleam in Moot's eye so the incident/post/record may be gone forever.

>>18760116
no i don't think i have, but i love clint howard.

i'm going to have to watch that just for that picture. i watched a lot of crappy movies in the 80s but that one slipped by.

>>18759537
sent a link to your email, 4chan wouldn't let me post it. I figured i'd just throw in anything you might be interested in that I didn't remember seeing in your library, all together about a gig and a half.

If it's not too much trouble, and you feel like talking philosophy a bit, what does >>18759927
>"Any logically consistent transcendental idealism rids the world of transcendence and opacity."
mean? Even if internally consistent it's still susceptible to the pyrrhonian skeptic regress problem. That means their is going to be an arational or irrational origin point, an outside, won't that be opaque and/or transcendent?

>>18760116
oh shit i have to watch that, thanks for the recommendation. it's even got richard moll!

sorry, it's me, in reference to those ebooks
>>18760141
>sent a link to your email

>>18760103
>With the exception of Prometheus Rising, that all looks pretty awful.

Why does it seem awful?

>>18760141
>pyrrhonian skeptic regress problem
If you wanna chase logic chains all day long into infinite regression, be my guest but there's Work to do.

>>18760141
>That means their is going to be an arational or irrational origin point, an outside, won't that be opaque and/or transcendent?
Sorta, but it's no the 'origin' as much as the fundamental nature of this work. The Boddhisatva transcends beyond the shores of enlightenment while going nowhere. Also, it's not outside. Again, we're talking fundamental natures here.

>>18760126
>>18760145
It should really be less obscure than it is.
I think it's got the Anton LaVey Seal of Schlock approval.

>>18760146
Thanks.

>>18760150
Law of One is the sort of unanchored speculation derided by McKenna here: >>18759939

At least Crowley's transmissions had the common decency to be as educated as possible at the time. His the depth of his skepticism toward his own transmissions is admirable.

>>18760186

On the law of one subject, I'm not an avid believer of all the material, but the message is pure.

The forward in the book also explicitly states that the author is not asserting a truth, just providing his channeling sessions for others to see. I am also way more trusting of people who provide this information completely free of charge.

>>18760186
>Sorta, but it's no the 'origin' as much as the fundamental nature of this work.

I'm probably misunderstanding either you or M-P because I took M-P to be talking about a system of idealist philosophy. I don't think you think that constructing or apprehending a system of philosophy is the fundamental nature of the work, so what you and he are saying is probably going over my head.

>>18760348
He's talking about the nature of perception filtered through our various philosophical systems (our ontologies and epistemologies, and if you think you're not constructing these as a part of the Work I'd direct you to the Exemption thesis of the A.'.A.'.) and is implying that transcendentalism, be it dualist or nondualist, cuts to the quick faster than others, and that if one constructs as he did, one can rip down the veils of false perception.

>>18760448
you keep talking about "the Work" and it gives me a dementia vibe.

maybe you should ease up on "The Work" for a little bit and come back down to earth.

>>18760459
>maybe you should ease up on "The Work" for a little bit and come back down to earth.
I mean I'm probably gonna fuck off to blast music and play Tyranny or Stellaris once the food gets here.

>>18760459
"It is a thousand times better to die than to break such an oath in thought, spirit, or action."

>>18760498
Hey, someone *gets* it.
Thank you.

Also:
>Philosophus. —Is expected to complete his moral training. He is tested in Devotion to the Order.

>>18760509
Indeed. Not everybody on here is completely retarded, as you were kind enough to demonstrate when I first began visiting..
-Heru Ra Ha

>>18760498
>>18760509
sounds like you guys belong to a cult. cults are un healthy

>>18760529
Anthrosocially speaking "cult" simply refers to a religious following with less than about 500 or so members.

By that litmus test I'm not a cultist but rather a sectarian with some cultish tendencies. In either case, cults can come in good and bad flavors.

Thanks for the input though.

>>18760529
Every religion is a cult. Sports are essentially cults. Political parties are cults. Societies are cults. Everybody belongs to a cult.

>>18760529
I actually happen to be a sectarian individualist, myself.

>>18760555
Bump.

>>18760542
and just look at the world.

The strict hierarchy that makes cults so unhealthy is entirely absent here.

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So has anyone here actually done any of the summoning of solomon demons ?

What was it like, did the dogs bark etc. whats mentioned in the pastebin?

Anyone have a quick rundown?

>>18763213
>So has anyone here actually done any of the summoning of solomon demons ?
Lots.

>What was it like, did the dogs bark etc. whats mentioned in the pastebin?
For me it's shit going dead quiet (the dogs *stop* barking) in the lower end and then them going apeshit in the middle tiers and then back to quiet when shit gets really real. Lots of flickering lights and mist while indoors. Outdoors tends to be more subtle. On visual evokation I tend to get "knocks" and thumps around the house for a few days afterward, but that's generally if I'm coupling Lemegeton with more serious work.

>>18763221
What happens if i use blood in summoning?
I once used blood in sigil but nothing happened.

Are you not afraid magick sents you to damnatiom?

>>18763227
>What happens if i use blood in summoning?
Depends on whose blood and why.

>I once used blood in sigil but nothing happened.
Imagine that, just bleeding on something isn't too effective without a structure behind it.

>Are you not afraid magick sents you to damnatiom?
No.
I *wouldst* like to live deliciously.

>>18759920
magick is the art of causing change in conformity with will.

>>18763230
I made sigil properly then shed blood I thought it symbolizes my will to sacrifice for the goal. However it was the first sigil I made and ill have to find some way to a reliable guide.

If you use your own blood to bind yourself to a protective solomon demon like orobas, what could go wrong?

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>>18760529
I'm so thankful for you dudes trying to help people, I couldn't do it

>>18763235
ave you done anything other than one sigil? walk before you can run m8

>>18763245
Meditated daily for atleast 2 years

>>18763248
That's pretty decent.
Work on your sigilry.
Get good with divination.
THEN try Lemegeton.

>>18763251
this, with the possible exception of divination (not that it's not a good ability to train, just that I don't think it's necessary to be versed in it to successfully evoke.)
you can get pretty gr8 results out of sigils too, don't underestimate them

>>18763251
Alright thanks. Any good guide to sigils?

>>18763256
I consider proficiency with one method of divination a prerequisite for most ceremonial work.

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>>18763262
Agrippa.
Austin Osman Spare.

>>18763263
why?
I'm pretty experienced at tarot, and I can see why you would say that, but they seem to be sympatico either way, at least to me
although I did do ritual magick for some time before really delving into tarot, so my opinion is biased by that.

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>>18763256

>>18763268
I mean, you can, there's nothing wrong with it, but you're not gonna be able to check unexpected results on the fly without some sort of divination tool.

>>18763270
that is definitely true

>>18763270
what is your opinion on thelema, if I can posit a question?

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>>18763277
You're talking to an initiated Thelemite.

>>18763281
not surprised by that desu
93
trying to work from what I would consider 4=5 to 5=6 right now

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>>18763284
er, 5=4

>>18763269
Why does the austin sigil include vowela too?

>>18763302
spare had an extremely individualistic system
that pic is essentially cribbed from liber null, which is essentially about streamlined results oriented magick, theory wise
beyond that I couldn't tell you, from what I understand either would work so long as you don't recognize the initial intent behind the sigil and can charge it properly

>>18763323
Oh I see.

So are there any corporate logos working as sigil in real life?

>>18763364
all of em
egregore more than a sigil, those are implanted in the collective unconscious at this point

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>>18763371
Ver interesting. My granpa warned me about getting into the occult rabbithole. Not sure if I want to see how deep it goes.

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>>18763378
it goes as deep as you can follow it
eventually it's the only thing that really gives you the I just climbed a mountain feeling, or equivalent, among other things

>>18763381
Sounds good but also the thought of how the real life, advertising and hollywood stem from occult scares me.

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>>18763389
they're generally what we would consider lost or misguided, and not arrived anyway, or they wouldn't act the way they do
also, if you don't see the fnords, how can you expect to resist the messages?
they're not as good at it as you might think

>>18763398
Yeah fuck it what do I have to lose. Im coming, Solomon.

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>>18763412
the mega archive in the OP is quality, if you don't know where to find texts that is a very good start

>>18760448
>transcendentalism, be it dualist or nondualist, cuts to the quick faster than others, and that if one constructs as he did, one can rip down the veils of false perception.

MP said that? Holy shit

>>18763994
I mean, that's what I understand him to be saying when he's in the intro talking about what he's doing and why he's doing it.

Don't get me wrong I don't think he's a mystic but the backbone of the text is concept that we're ruled by our perceptions which are variant due to biocultural factors. Getting from point A to point B requires a logically consistent transcendental idealism that rid his world of transcendence and opacity...hence the inspiration to write up his musings.

>>18764215
>point B
And how do you think he understands point b?

Thanks for taking the time to explain this to me, I should really just read him, but have a huge freaking reading list thanks in no small part to your library. I read world of perception some years back which i remember being a great accessible explanation of >>18764215
>our perceptions which are variant due to biocultural factors
but he doesn't have space to go beyond that much

>>18764447
I'm just gonna read the intro tonight

>>18756199
Ape if you not consider rude me asking you, do you belong any tradition, and if so which one?

Also what is your honest opinion about discordians and chaos magick?

>>18764908
sorry forget the first part. i just saw you being a thelemite.

anyway wahat about discordians and chaos magick though?

>>18764943
David Gordon White, author of the second book in the OP, is the new hotness in the Chaos community.

Discordianism is fun.
Chaos can be very potent if applied correctly and isn't just memes.

>>18764957
thank for point that book up.

I have a hard time projecting, is there some kind of useful meditation or technique I could do?

>>18765380
Not really.
Crowley recommends Rising on the Planes.
I found $cientology's tech (three feet back of your head) to be pretty decent.

>>18765607
Just checking in to say I find Rising on the Planes a particularly effective method.

>>18765635
I never got much of anywhere using Crowley's tech.

In the end I 'broke through' with the reverse, a "lowering" on the planes. My first AP felt like crashing through successive plywood floors until hitting like a membrane like layer and stepping OB.

>>18765646
Interesting. How about Aquino? What's your view on his tech/ him generally?

>>18765654
I'm HIGHLY sympathetic to Aquino and if I clung to my teenage edgelordieness I may have wound up a Temple of Set initiate.

My original commentary on Liber 7 was essentially an explication of the Sapphire Tablet of Set.

>>18765662
Ha. I almost did, as my trajectory took me from Xtianity, to standard atheism, to LaVey, to Aquino...etc. I suppose that's a fairly standard path for one who starts as a young teenager?

>>18765662
Is your commentary in the library?

>>18765677
Um, I'd say it was common for a certain generation.
I got turned on to LaVey through organized online Atheism in the early 00's but only stayed infatuated for a short time.

Meanwhile I still get use out of Aquino well after LaVey outlived his usefulness.

>>18765682
Nope.

I think I've posted both early and late iterations of it, maybe, lemme go hunt on the archives.

>>18765683
I see. I would say LaVey outlived his usefulness for me, except when somebody asks me how magick actually works, and they have zero backround or knowledge to understand a more complex source, I generally point them toward the Satanic Bible as a general-rundown type thing.

>>18765690
>Satanic Bible as a general-rundown type thing.
He was my first exposure to a somewhat stiff psychological model.

Interestingly that was published later in the same year that Turner's "The Ritual Process" was published, a high water mark in ritual anthropology, and covers much of the same "intellectual decompression" to the point where I'm pretty sure LaVey was using it.

>>18765682
Here's a link to excerpts from my old commentary:
http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/14494044/#14506683

>>18765699
Yes, I never did believe LaVey was original... only in a very "I borrowed and stole so many ideas, and made up such a story about my own past, that nobody has ever compiled borrowed/stolen info in such a way before" kind of way. Thanks for the link!

>>18765705
Blows me away how much of this is in line with David Chaim Smith years before I ever heard of the cat.

What is the foundation for a hopeful (non yet) initiate? Speaking in terms of what is to be read and understood?


I've had a copy of the complete works of Golden Dawn which I've passed along to a close friend curious of the book.
For whatever reason I couldn't get into it, I understand the lessons are embedded but the style of writing was of a
snooty nature that I couldn't get past. I've read gnostic works; Nag Hammadi Library and various texts of antiquated faiths
marginally practiced today; my intention is to take part in the great work, to heighten my understanding of reality and in turn
offer what I can. I've snagged a dozen or so texts from the collective archive linked in OP but have no idea where to start
or means of approach. The scope is boggling furthermore I can't shake the implicit simplicity of it all, such as a sequence
of words or taking a thought from the right perspective opening the flood gates.

If I'm not worthy than I'm not worthy, it won't dissuade me at all as I'll continue on in the path of been trotting along.

>>18765717
yeah how that post appeared was misleading.

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Read this recently, contributing.

>From black magic and Satanism to Gnostic sects and Gurdjieff’s Fourth Way, the left-hand path has been linked to many practices, cults, and individuals across the ages. Stephen Flowers, Ph.D., examines the methods, teachings, and historical role of the left-hand path, from its origins in Indian tantric philosophy to its underlying influence in current world affairs, and reveals which philosophers, magicians, and occult figures throughout history can truly be called “Lords of the Left-Hand Path.”
Flowers explains that while the right-hand path seeks union with and thus dependence on God, the left-hand path seeks a “higher law” based on knowledge and power. It is the way of self-empowerment and true freedom. Beginning with ancient Hindu and Buddhist sects and moving Westward, he examines many alleged left-hand path groups, including the Cult of Set, the Yezidi Devil Worshippers, the Assassins, the Neoplatonists, the Hell-Fire Club, the Bolsheviks, the occult Nazis, and several heretical Sufi, Zoroastrian, Christian, and Muslim sects. Following a carefully crafted definition of a true adherent of the left-hand path based on two main principles--self-deification and challenge to the conventions of “good” and “evil”--the author analyzes many famous and infamous personalities, including H. P. Blavatsky, Faust, the Marquis de Sade, Austin Osman Spare, Aleister Crowley, Gerald Gardner, Anton LaVey, and Michael Aquino, and reveals which occult masters were Lords of the Left-Hand Path.
Flowers shows that the left-hand path is not inherently evil but part of our heritage and our deep-seated desire to be free, independent, and in control of our destinies.

http://www8.zippyshare.com/v/LmwRhEMq/file.html

>>18765717
If you've ACTUALLY read most of the Nag Hammadi library, read "Mirror of Simple Souls" and keep both Pistis Sophia and Thunder:Perfect Mind in your head as you read it.

That'll give you a solid Christian contemplative basis.

It's understandable to not be able to get into the GD papers. But after a certain point in the modern era they gotta be apprehended and dealt with because everything from Crowley through Andrew Chumbley uses them as a basis and they themselves are an elaboration of Dr. John Dee's Hieroglyphic Monad.

>>18765705
Indeed. I gained a lot of insight from your commentary. THANK you!

>>18765726
I have that in the house, got it secondhand. Flowers is always decent but in the end it's "babby's first Western LHP" which isn't bad, but not what many of us need.

INTERESTINGLY it mentions >>18765730
>Mirror of Simple Souls
repeatedly.

>>18765731
No problem, that's not even the meat of it.

>>18758904
>Why isn't this written on the cover of GD books?

Because that's just what the clowns in these threads have to tell themselves.

>>18765781
>Because that's just what the clowns in these threads have to tell themselves.
Except it's explicitly their Pentagrammaton, the original subject of M:TP's chapter on the Formula of the Neophyte before ThROA's revisions, and explicitly unpacked by their materials.

You're gonna need a citation for me if wanna say you've got a refutation of their usage.

>>18765781
Don't worry, we have a resident J-O-O hater, who also likes to make shit up.

>>18760542

Your definition of the word "cult" is about as broad, sweeping, and ultimately useless as a feminist's definition of "rape".

>>18765805
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=493pL_Vbtnc

>>18765805
A religion is just a cult that got too big for its britches. A true femanist is simply a person who believes men and women should be equal, so it looks like you have the same problem, yourself. Also See: >>18760541

>>18765821
*feminist **ARE equal

>>18765814
Somebody's gonna have to go back and get a shitload of dimes!

>>18765795
>It doesn't have anything to do with Yahweh and Jesus, it's about the ELEMENTS. Look I can point to a passage in a book that PROVES it!

>>18765821

Go wash your mangina, you fucking cunt.

>>18765843
That's quite the citation, friend. Took you an awful long time to find. Also, what he's saying is, if we're talking about what it means in the context of GD, LITERALLY the only accurate source is within the GD texts themselves. Don't book, much?

>>18765843
I dunno how you can construe their usage of the keyword as mutually exclusive, especially considering their source(s), but ok.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5FSLgKD5J4

>>18765845
^This.

>>18765845
Everybody is tough on the internet. It must be a very unfortunate existence, indeed, if you feel the need to prove yourself online.

>>18765853
>>18765856

The fact that Jesus and Yahweh have been dressed up in "drag elemental dresses" doesn't make it any less judeo/xian. That was the point you're missing.

>>18765845
Also
>ad hominem

The last resort of a guy who knows he is wrong but has too much ego to admit to it.

>>18765867
I don't think anybody was positing that. But you can indeed use the formulas without any belief in or affinity for judeo-christianity.

>>18765869
I hope you are just trolling. If not, you should take some time off from the computer, spend more time outside. Good luck, and I hope you get better soon.

>>18765868

Yup, I was wrong. EVERYBODY belongs to a cult because everything IS a cult. BTFO by a guy who can't even spell "feminist" correctly.

FML.

>>18765867
I don't deny that, much of these formulaic usage appears derived from Hekhalot/Merkavah literature like Hekhalot Rabbati, Sefer Raziel, Sefer Yetzirah, etc.

>>18765884
Don't you have a flat earth thread, or a "jyews control the world" thread to be posting in? This is The Magick general, friend.

>>18765877

You just wait till I use my super-secret Cultus Sabbati cursing kit on you.

P.S You're still a fucking pussy.

>>18765885
>forgot my crunchy and relevant tune
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXCh9OhDiCI

>>18765890
>Thinks you buy ready-made cursing kits
>feels tough for calling a woman a pussy.
Tell me, do you beat elderly women to prove how strong you are?
Now I know you are trolling.

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>>18765890
You got the decoder ring too?

Remember to your Ritual slot to SA, Rite of the Turnskin :3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQrGRR6Su4E

>>18765888
>This is The Magick general, friend

Yes, I know. I could tell by the nu-male smell in here.

It was you guys that convinced me to NEVER share e-books with anyone online anymore. You may think that's no big deal but I guarantee you that I've got a bunch you'd want. Congratulations!

>>18765897

Your dresses and make-up don't make you a woman, despite what your friends on tumblr tell you.

>>18765900
Holy shit, Team Illuminati?

Want me to post the other half of the inner initiatory edition of Dragon Book of Essex's ritual gestures?

Nah, think I'll keep 'em for myself a bit longer.

>>18765908
Thanks for all you do, man. I feel like what you do here goes underappreciated sometimes. Despite attempts to de-rail, I'm sure you're used to it. Please don't EVER stop posting, as long as you can stand it!

>>18765915
I mean, it's not like my goal with the library's essentially accomplished.

I could use an edition of Kalika Purana, Sveccarananda Tantra, clear scans of Film 12 in the Yorke materials, a couple of academic scans of Dee shit I should reassemble.

After the first ever public release of Tantraloka in English and the Yorke Microfilms online, I'm sorta alright with doing anything more significant than that.

>>18765900
2/10 for effort.

>>18765928
>I'm sorta alright with not doing anything more significant than that.

>>18765730
Exactly what I needed to read,, truly appreciate it, with the volume of texts available my head whirls from where to place my next step.

>>18765940
I can dig that.

>>18765945
I'm still gonna max out the gb limit on this library...and maybe buy an expansion at a later date if I can justify it.

>>18765908

Go ahead. There's nothing you can provide me with that I don't already have access to. *wink wink*

>>18765932
>2/10

You're lucky. You wouldn't be able to take more than 2 of my 10 inches without it ripping your asshole anyway.

>>18765699
>http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/14494044/#14506683
Am I right to see your notion of the will of the magister templi as somewhat similar to the sambogakhaya?

>>18765978
K.
Sure thing mate.
I can post pics of my rare unpublished typescripts from Helen Oliver's collection.
Can you?

>>18765984
>sambogakhaya
I mean, sorta?
There's no radiant living-death, but many of the other features are rather similar.

I'm of the fundamental position that Crowley doesn't "get" Buddhism, and this reflects in attempts to compare the two.

The Magister Templi is not the state of a Boddhisattva, but they're conceptually linked.

There's an 'externalization' factor here that is de-emphasized in Vajrayana in favor or less "around the bush" methods.

>>18765990
>Crowley doesn't "get" Buddhism
I don't have your knowledge of crowley, but i've thought this too, inasfar as he seems to me to have a kind of schopenhauery almost antinatal notion of buddhism. Do you think I' misreading him? what do you think Crowley misunderstands?

>>18766022
>schopenhauery
Makes since given he's one of Schope's intellectual inheritors (more like Schelling, but w/e).

>antinatal
I feel like he was at least trying harder than that.

I dunno, I just think he was rather too early in the English textual history to get coherent info. Remember, he lived most of his life before the Tut excavations and was handed his first legit tantra toward the end of his life(that we can verify).

>>18766044
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8e5VSb3Gyo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siG32DcmCa8

>>18756642
Wonder what kind of mystical arts could be learned from studying the Codex Seraphinianus. Definitely seems like the one who made it had some knowledge of the occult. Probably should look into the Voynich Manuscript too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw2MjRcVO4g

>>18766044
Haven't read schelling, my philosophy game is pretty weak. I suppose I ought to if transcendental idealism is so dang useful. What do you think of Spinoza?

The preface to Phenomenology of perception is brilliant by the way "The world is not an object such that I have in my possession the law of its making; it is the natural setting of, and field for, all my thoughts and all my explicit perceptions. Truth does not ‘inhabit’ only ‘the inner man’, or more accurately, there is no inner man, man is in the world, and only in the world does he know himself. When I return to myself from an excursion into the realm of dogmatic common sense or of science, I find, not a source of intrinsic truth, but a subject destined to the world."
I only know the broadest outline of his biography but for what little it's worth I think he may well have been a mystic
>>18759927
>"Any logically consistent transcendental idealism rids the world of transcendence and opacity."
continues "...The world is precisely that
thing of which we form a representation, not as men or as empirical subjects, but in so far as we are all one light and participate in the One without destroying its unity. Analytical reflection knows nothing of the problem of other minds, or of that of the world, because it insists that with the first glimmer of consciousness there appears in me theoretically the power of reaching some universal truth, and that the other person, being equally without thisness, location or body, the Alter and the Ego are one and the same in the true world which is the unifier of
minds." and there are plenty of other passages I could quote with a similar flavour

>>18766298
>What do you think of Spinoza?
Babby's first tier.

>>18766298
>I only know the broadest outline of his biography but for what little it's worth I think he may well have been a mystic
Hence why I lean on Merleau-Ponty as well as Levinas's Totality and Infinity.

Phenomenology of Perception is easily the best instance of naked deductive philosophy in generations.

>and there are plenty of other passages I could quote with a similar flavour
I picked the 'consistent' quote because it's the shortest summation of the concepts played with.

I'll warn, though, it gets SUPER basic and dry and philosophy-y in the next couple chapters using visual perspective as the basis of further exploration. Brew some coffee if you wanna push through it.

>>18766312
>>18766298
It's also probably relevant to you, NS, that Phenomenology of Perception is more or less in total agreement with Abhidhamma, and its speculation on mental constructs and aggregates.

Abhinavagupta (to digress) makes the West look like flailing droopy-eyed children by being something like eight hundred years ahead of Godel and ALMOST 700 ahead of Mendel.

Pay attention to your South Asian masters. They knew shit from fuck about things we're just now starting to grapple with.

>>18765888
Ape, it's kinda funny. You want to be the bigger man, but you resort to the same mocking tactics that the common 'shill' uses, and have a 'unique' tendency to shout down any dissenting opinions. It's really rather funny how you try to make yourself out to be just an innocent practitioner, but when people start trying to correct you or bring up facts on certain things, you flip out and start lashing out against them and anyone with similar views. It really makes the old neurons fire at an increased pace.

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>>18766336
So, I'm gonna say that's not me then you're gonna say prove it then I'm gonna post the screencap then you're gonna say it's altered then I'm gonna say posting my opinion isn't shouting down anyone in a general thread then you're gonna accuse me of being enraged then I'm gonna post a music vid from the early 90's and we're gonna be back at square one so let's just save some time and skip that cycle.

Sound good?

>>18766327
noted, thanks

well...this is the biggest piece of knowledge i've come across and as a non native english speaker i must say that (trying to) read this will be a wild ride so kudos to OP and thanks for the share

>>18760492
Are you excited about the new expansion for Stellaris? It looks like they are totally changing internal politics

Thank to all of you for keeping this general alive. Just skimming and lurking in it gives me motivation to read up on more and learn more and practice more occult.

>>18756199

OP can you give me a brief summary of the aftermath of a summoning,

Bump because the 'clowns are nephilim/nephilim are clowns' troll is getting boring.

Why its recommended to destroy the sigil asao instead of holding on to it?

>>18768170

the entire point of destroying it is releasing its energy and letting it go, holding onto it serves no purpose

>>18768177
The psychonaut pdf said that it would grow like gremlin if not destroyed.

What if I make a small cut of blood before I burn it. Would it give it more power?

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Bump.

>>18768182

it growing and it working are two different things, and the more energy you put into anything the more drastic your results

in theory

i'm only here because i was with a pagan girl and a bunch of crazy shit happened, i only remember some of what she told me

everything else is just personal experience

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>H. RES. 642

>>>Recognizing magic as a rare and valuable art form and national treasure.

>IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
>March 14, 2016
>Mr. Sessions (for himself, Mr. Stivers, Mr. Meehan, Mr. Donovan, Mr. Dent, Mr. Simpson, and Mr. Buck) submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-resolution/642/text

>>18756199
Ape, curious about your solution for the Sphinx switch of the Man and the Eagle in the Thoth Tarot. I´m not satisfied with any of the various solutions I´ve seen published here and there. Gunther one is especially awful, have to say.

>>18768262
I'd like to hear some of these stories.

>>18765654
>>18765662
What's with all of the dark stories and conspiracies surrounding him?
He seems like he's powerful enough to get away with all that shit, so I don't know what to make of it.

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http://dboe.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Book_of_Essex_Wikia

Anyone here responsible for this?

>>18768818
>What's with all of the dark stories and conspiracies surrounding him?
Dark stories and conspiracies.

I offer the total archives of the Scroll of Set, where Aquino gives a month-by-month running commentary of the "Presidio" scandal from, what 1986? Until it ends entirely. The article string is called "A Tree in the North", you can find it in the Scroll of Set's index.

>>18768574
>Gunther one is especially awful, have to say.
That's because Gunther's a fuckwit.

See Liber 418:

>Shriek, therefore, shriek aloud; mingle the roar of the gored lion and the moan of the torn bull, and the cry of the man that is torn by the claws of the Eagle, and the scream of the Eagle that is strangled by the hands of the Man. Mingle all these in the death-shriek of the Sphinx, for the blind man hath profaned her mystery. Who is this, Oedipus, Tiresias, Erinyes? Who is this, that is blind and a seer, a fool above wisdom? Whom do the hounds of heaven follow, and the crocodiles of hell await? Aleph, Vau, Yod, Ayin, Resh, Tau, is his name.

>Beneath his feet is the Kingdom, and upon his head the Crown. He is spirit and matter; he is peace and power; in him is Chaos and Night and Pan; and upon BABALON his concubine, that hath made him drunk upon the blood of the saints that she hath gathered in her golden cup, hath he begotten the virgin that now he doth deflower. And this is that which is written: Malkuth shall be uplifted and set upon the throne of Binah. And this is the stone of the philosophers that is set as a seal upon the Tomb of Tetragrammaton, and the elixir of life that is distilled from the blood of the saints, and the red powder that is the grinding up of the bones of Choronzon.

Could you upload volume 2 of "Masonry Illustrated, The Complete Ritual etc", the one you have on there only goes up to the 18th degree

>>18768861
Me.
I've yet to post all my notes.
http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/18131927/#18134112

The principle owner of the website was a Golden Dawn initiate who bowed out of the practice while I continued, reaching the festival of One Year and a Day this last solstice, conferring the second degree of Mastery of the system.

>>18768866
If you can find me a copy of it, yeah, I'd be happy to.

I know my Freemasonry files are incomplete, but last I went on a smash and grab (and it's been a while) it wasn't like there were complete copies of Collecteana or anything floating around.

>>18768868
>>18768861
One of the most major changes that needs to be made is the discussion on the Serpent Watchers.

There's a fuckload going on and I was trying to synchretize to hard early on to just get a handle on who/what the principle Mothers and Fathers of Wytchblood were.

After a year of work, research, ritual, and study, I've got solid answers (Serpentary as per TAN unless otherwise directed for the rite you're on, but the four quarters are guarded by the Agrippan Infernal Principalities, period).

Beyond that I think my comment on the rites cuts off shortly before LA in my notes. I need to write up a commentary on TAN and HUA, but Tan is simply Sabbatick Headless Rite (I invoke thee, who didst....etc.) keyed the infernal principalities. Notice....SA is Spring Equinox....TAN is Fall. SA-TAN.

Hua's more shamanic styled work. Shame I didn't have a full human body to chop up. Bone fragments had to suffice.

I could write a three volume series trying to explain the Dragon Book of Essex at this point.

>>18760066
This sounds like Megami Tensei

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Do any modern Golden Dawn organisations have anything going for them, or are they all LARP groups?

>>18769036
Ciceros?
Stella Matutina still carries the torch.
Hope you're in Europe.

>>18769044
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW1jxJ6ISks

>>18768862
Interesting, Liber LXV also says something Bout the Eagle and the Man united, and something about the Fool. What is your interpretation about all this?

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>>18769138
The 'Bâ' (bꜣ) was everything that makes an individual unique, similar to the notion of 'personality'. (In this sense, inanimate objects could also have a 'Bâ', a unique character, and indeed Old Kingdom pyramids often were called the Bâ of their owner). The Bâ is an aspect of a person that the Egyptians believed would live after the body died, and it is sometimes depicted as a human-headed bird flying out of the tomb to join with the Ka in the afterlife.

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>>18769044
I'm a bong, are there any functioning in the East Midlands?

>>18769153
>East Midlands
Irelands local bodies are legit.
I mean, that's closer than Spain, Italy, or Portugal.
Just don't get caught up with David Griffin's (HOGD-AO) shit, eh?

>>18756931
In the true religion there is no sect, therefore take heed that thou blaspheme not the name by which another knoweth his God; for if thou do this thing in Jupiter thou wilt blaspheme יהוה and in Osiris יהשוה. Ask and ye shall have! Seek, and ye shall find! Knock, and it shall be opened unto you!

https://hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib30

>>18769147
So you would say that the switch only tries to imply this? The rest of attributions remains the same?

>>18768788

it's a long story, you sure you want to hear it?

>>18769250
Yes! I'm always up for magic/occult related stories.

>>18769362

well i'm high so i can't promise this will be good, but i'll give it a go

since i was a kid i've always had weird experience, lucid dreams, sleep paralysis, dreams that would come true, out of body experiences, always saying things just before people said them

people tell me i always know exactly how to hurt them, and how to make them feel better

deja vu when i was on a vacation, that didn't seem significant

just a lot of things, but nothing worth really taking note of

on my 22nd birthday i had an intense pcp trip, i blacked out after a lot of deja vu and when i snapped out of it i was in the middle of having sex and i had no idea how i got there it was like waking up from a dream

like my body had been going, but i was gone everything faded back in from nothingness

after sex i was still feeling out of it, i tried to write to get my mind off of what was going on

and i started to auto write, i wrote about how i was going to meet a girl and she was going to tell me what she thought i was and would make me remember

i wrote about what she would look like, and i wrote about where she was from

and i thought it was crazy so i just shrugged it off and blamed drugs

years later i ended up meeting her, and we had a weird instant connection

she started saying the things i wrote about, and i told her she was

so she started thinking about doing a past life ritual, and i was stupid i thought she was joking

i told her it was a bad idea, but i also just laughed about it thinking nothing would happen

and then she did it

i dreamt about the ocean for 3 days the tide came in, closer every night

on the first night there was a turtle on the beach, the second there was a stringed instrument not a guitar something older and it had a peacock carved into it

the night the tide swept me away there was a tiger on the shore

the next day the "memories" started

>>18769166
know any gd'ers in toronto?

>>18769362

for an entire year i remembered a life from earliest childhood memories until death in rome, and part of me found it funny because i was there when i had the deja vu on vacation

the intensity of it made me feel crazy, i ended up begging her to do the same to my fiancee

so she did, and the three of us tested each other on shared memories, and talked about them

with all of the feelings still lingering it was strange

during that time i had a dream about a deer that i followed through the woods to a temple covered in vines, and i went inside and there were statues carved in wood that looked like a party frozen in time

they were holding goblets for wine, fauns centaurs, and a lot of women

i walked around looking at them, some of them were holding instruments and i climbed these stairs up to a table covered in grapes

when i woke up i told her about it, and she told me it sounded like dionysus was calling to me

she said if i wanted i could try making an offering and asking him what he wanted

i was high and it seemed like a decent enough idea so i did, and then before bed while i was drunk i did it again because that seemed like a good idea

that night i dreamt of dionysus sitting in the garden and calling me out to speak with him, he was completely calming even though part of me felt terrified

and he told me all of the good things that would happen if i accepted him, and how i'd go mad if i didn't

then he walked me back to my bed where i fell asleep in my dream and woke up in real life

>>18769362

anyway that's all calmed down now, or become normal i'm not sure which

there were dionysian rituals in the memories too, they started to be a thing after i had another visitation dream

from a guy who looked really young, seemed really old with a black goat and a white goat

he told me to think about the offer, and showed me an alternative to accepting

anyway the memories still linger, they stopped being so intense after a suicide attempt, then easy to deal with after chronic illness set in

i have all of this free time as a result so i figured i'd try to learn about the things she was into to try to find answers and just to know

it's like an occult science experiment for me i guess

my ex went kind of crazy, all women always end up acting crazy after they've been around me too long and then blame me for it

so i've had no one to learn anything from and it's hard to find people who know what they're talking about

i've been here before i was told to read books, but actually sitting down and reading didn't work out

the memories have been nagging me lately so i'm back around

>>18769362

i also keep feeling like something is happening so i keep wondering why, and have no idea where to look to actually find anything

>>18769362

one other thing my ex was convinced venus had a soft spot for me, she said it like that

told me that praying to her would work too, but i've never had any dreams or anything as far as she goes

my ex just really believed that, i'm not sure why

that's the abridged version, still really long

https://youtu.be/6zDT_uGYdVs

>>18769519
>>18769573
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>>18769669

I think I remember you from past /omg/ threads asking questions about Dionysian. Do you remember the details on the past life ritual or the Dionysian rituals? I'm assuming you can't find these online so it would be interesting to read about. Also what's your ethnicity and nationality if you're comfortable with sharing.

Thanks for sharing and post more stories if you are feeling generous.

>>18769968
good memory, i had plans to do research and then i went on a hard drug binge for a while instead

i never saw her do the ritual i just know about a dagger and a candle, it was in january 5 years ago, mid-january i think, and then again in may or something like that

i'm rarely sober my days blur together and i've been like this for years so it's hard for me to give exact times

i tried to look the ritual up at one point, couldn't find it so i asked her and she told me it came to her in a dreams

my memories of the rituals are vivid and hazy, apparently i had a really bad drug and alcohol problem then too and drinking was part of the ritual

i remember drinking blood mixed with wine and honey, having sex with women who were covered in blood after they killed animals in the woods

among other things, basic shit i guess, but when i first had the memories i had no idea this has all been a crash course into things i never gave a second thought to honestly

i remember more details than that, but i'm sure you could imagine why i'm not up for rehashing those

issue is they still have lingering sentiment

my fiance dreamt about symbols painted in blood, woke up and drew some of them

they were old alchemy symbols, some measurements some ingredients but not many and nothing cohesive

still might have them somewhere i'm not sure, but probably i have things scattered everywhere

i'm a disorganized mess and i've moved around a lot, so my things are scattered across two states

as far as i know based on other family members' research everything goes back to spain and italy

i only don't know about my grandmother on my father's side

she actually died right before my parents found out they were having me

my mother dreamt about her throughout the entire pregnancy telling her everything would be ok, smiling and saying to her "i know what you're having"

my mother found them comforting, she had a miscarriage a few months before she found out she was having me

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>>18770229
>apparently i had a really bad drug and alcohol problem then too and drinking was part of the ritual
>i remember drinking blood mixed with wine and honey, having sex with women who were covered in blood after they killed animals in the woods
>among other things, basic shit i guess
Oh, youth. How I pine for thee again.

>>18765899
What is the first ritual of the cultus saabati that one should perform if one wants to contact that current?

>>18770234

you miss drinking blood in the woods?

>>18770238
It's sorta not that simple.
How much money do you have to spend on ritual tools?
Or, how accessible are graves to rob?

It also depends on your means of approach. The simplest is with toad-bone, as there's fewer tool gathering requirements. Also, Dragon Book of Essex assumes a Quadrigan Covine, so unless you have three other people be prepared to be in the woods for five hours at a time.

The Dragon book of Essex starts with the Rite of Ka, the Right of the Hieros Gamos. You bleed and orgasm into a wooden or glass vessel every day for thirty days with oration usually between Oct and Nov. for a ritual that takes place on the Solstice (The Rite of I, or The Rite of the Black Sun, or the Rite of the Draconian Oracle).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBAzlNJonO8

>>18770260
You don't?
>>18758568
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Htl3XWUhUOM

>>18770277

i typically prefer to keep my blood drinking to one person and in bed

i'm aware of what the whole thing sounds like, but i don't have any control over the things that were remembered

>>18770277

the memories are blurred with a lot of opium and alcohol abuse, apparently i haven't changed much

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>>18770298
>>18770314
>he doesn't opium fueled blood-orgies in the untamed wilds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lZcVNLD-YY

>>18770326

well no one could ever accuse you of being helpful

>https://www.samharris.org/podcast/item/meaning-and-chaos
occultists btfo at 50:41

>>18770342
https://youtu.be/OW3onAipnzQ

ijs

>>18770382

me too, at least i didn't expect to find anyone with actual insight into what happened here

>>18770374
This is typical Sam Harris, a nice whataboutism about the ineffecualness of making heads or tails of mystical concerns when he cares enough about it to become a neuroscientist of mystical states, as if his phenomenology is the only phenomenology worth anyone's time.

I love that Harris calls out Crowley as sketchy without having offering any functional critique of the methods and praxes, while speaking of Hall as if the man offers practical instruction rather than history too old for it's own good.

I mean, I could just post Harris' own talk "On the Dangers of Atheism" and point out how badly he's following his own advice or McKenna's "Skepticism and the Balkanization of Epistemology" but even that seems like too much work in the face of a criticism no deeper than "nuh uhh".

>>18770397
I wasn't there to record, mate.

I could go on about the Dionysian aspects of Thelemic initiation and the ritual year, but I don't think it's super applicable to your story.

>>18770266
I've received indications that I should do both of those things (toad bone and the rite of Ka). I also have theoretical access to human remains and a fair amount of cash. The ritual partner thing is more complicated but I've been guided to people before. Should I perhaps start with the toad bone stuff as I wait for the "ritual year" to start?

>>18770411
>Should I perhaps start with the toad bone stuff as I wait for the "ritual year" to start?
That's what I'd do.
Find a frog.
Kill it.
String it up on a thornbush to die.
Maybe run Crowley's Cross of the Frog.
Once dead take to an anthill.
Let it strip the flesh clean.
You need the scapula and the ilium.
String these onto a rosary.
See:
>ONE: The Grimoire of the Golden Toad
>Leaper Between
For further information.

>>18770410

not applicable in what way? i don't even know what you're talking about honestly

my knowledge doesn't extend very far past my personal experiences, half listening to my ex, research a friend of mine did but she was mostly looking at historical facts, and some stuff this woman i know who converted to christianity after getting into the occult told me

i can tell you aren't taking me seriously, but i'm not some /x/ larper, i'm trying to figure this all out because my get high and hope it goes away method hasn't worked and i've been getting a nagging feeling about everything lately

>>18770411
We'll, where are you?

>>18770400
I feel compelled to laugh at this the more I think about it.

The hilarious parts in all this are that I could swap out Crowley for whichever Buddhist commentators are Harris' favorite for large chunks of the phenomenology that Harris is interested in (Oceanic consciousness), and then write off the stuff that tickles his thinker as "irrelevant ancient concerns" and literally have equal footing with Harris in terms of sophistication of argument.

Further, it betrays Harris' fundamental ignorance of the author he's shitposting given their perspective on "religion" as the masses practice it are more related than the vast majority of other mystics, given AC proclaimed Russell's critique of Christianity as Gospel, liking it so much that he wrote a massive commentary thereon using his voluminous Biblical knowledge to justify the whole thing.

>>18770458
>i can tell you aren't taking me seriously
No, I just can't say anything definite with as few details. I've seen/done/been through some shit. If I had all of everyone's answers I wouldn't be on fuckpostchan, that's for sure.

>>18770429
Thanks dawg. You've been more helpful to me over the years then you know.
>>18770459
East coast us

>>18770472

i'm not expecting answers, looking for them sure, but i don't expect anything to just be handed to me

part of my issue is direction, all of this happened and things haven't just gone away, i figured maybe they would

anyway i haven't seen the person who could point me in one direction or another in 4 years and this is all something i've never had a lot of exposure to

i'm not sure what to do with it, and i don't know what direction to look in either

>>18770491
Why don't you read some books, bear down and focus so you can build the scaffolding necessary to understand the experiences. This thread literally gives you access to a priceless collection of esoteric texts

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>tfw you find out you accidentally had a hand in flaming the David Griffin/DMKU/Wicca wars.

Life is absurd.
Hail Eris.
kαλλίστη

>>18770587
Holy shit I was literally right about to post about that. What the fuck happened to that shit? Why does the phrase "octarine spring" make me so geeked out?

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>>18770603
Stay calm and Hail Eris.

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>>18770612
>And this story has it all: black magicians drunk with power, pretending to be harmless chaos magicians; civil war; race issues; a master magician armed with the sword of knowledge determined to free mankind from enslavement from black magicians.
http://gleamingsfromthedawn.blogspot.com/2016/02/occult-fiction-of-david-griffin-hashtag.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1oQglI7WHc

>>18770585

that's easier said than done when you're a druggie and a drunk with a hectic life

besides how do i know what books would even worth reading in my situation? and what order do i read them in? having a lot of information doesn't make choosing information any easier

i wish i could just find another woman who wants to sleep with me who knows this kind of thing and will just tell me it all without me having to think or function on my own, or a guy i'm not picky

i'm really probably the worst person an experience like this could've been wasted on to be honest

i'm not particularly functional

>>18770628
Honestly I'm speechless, the level of pettiness displayed in this story is shocking. One thing I've learned from the whole Trump/Kek fiasco that applies here is that people who find themselves on the wrong side of absurdity always lose

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>>18770646
>i'm not particularly functional
You should work on that.

On a lighter tone I know you were griping about feeling picked which made me reluctant to post pic related but it's still funny without your reply.

>>18770628
You just know the Thule society is sitting somewhere in a German bunker and laughing their asses off while they continue to inflame a race war. Ugh

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>>18770680
>>18770668
https://youtu.be/LQhX8PbNUWI

What do you guys think of this book

https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Books/Occult-Colin-Wilson/1780288468

I'm new to this. So far have read the satanic bible and psychonaut

>>18770686
It's pretty damn good. One of the first books on the subject I ever read.

He's critical of a some folks I like, but shits on them less than outright avoids them.

>>18770692
How many of the books from this library have you actually read from start to finish? Because this is something that really fascinates me right now but it would take a lifetime to study properly

>>18770669

i stopped taking heroin for a bit and coke and pills, step in the right direction? really though i wouldn't put money on me doing much better than i am right now with any of that and even sober i'm shit at it anyway

some people are just fucked with that though right?

i'm still at the "why me? why this? what even?" stage yeah, but i still have a sense of humor and that made me laugh

it's about 75% accurate

>>18770628
How were you involved in this mess if I may ask.
This connects to an issue I've been having and I think a lot of practicing occultists have which is how to operate in what Chumbley referred to as the "Market" while staying true to ones magical self. I'd love to find more real ass practitioners but established occult groups are full of bullshit internal politics even if they aren't giant energy farms. To be honest I've gotten more assistance on praxis from this thread on an anonymous image board than any other community. Perhaps that suggests that non hierarchical study groups make sense in this day and age? I'd love to create something like the Ku-Sebittu that experiments with the channeling of all sorts of different currents and acts as a "meeting house" for various mages. Maybe I'm just too idealistic

What do you guys think of the Temple of Set?

Anyone here a member?

>>18770698
Something like two thirds and rising.

When it was smaller I could say I read three quarters of it but it's crept up on me.

>>18770709
After "Octarine spring" started to autoreport in some forums I realized I probably participated in a few bans that made Griffin have an apoplectic breakdown.

>Perhaps that suggests that non hierarchical study groups make sense in this day and age?
For all his flaws Kenneth Grant was NOT wrong about his critiques of the Freemasonic model and an attempt to move to astral lodges.

>I'd love to create something like the Ku-Sebittu that experiments with the channeling of all sorts of different currents and acts as a "meeting house" for various mages. Maybe I'm just too idealistic
It's hard to find people who want to Work. The Golden Dawn dude I was in contact suggested the name "Black Ivory Lodge" for an online CS study/practice group.

We'd tinkered with the idea of running the rites where he takes these elemental orations then I'd take the others but there's too much of a time differential between us to run it properly.

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>>18770747
>It's hard to find people who want to Work. The Golden Dawn dude I was in contact suggested the name "Black Ivory Lodge" for an online CS study/practice group

I would dedicate a fair amount of time to this if you actually decided to do it, although I'm a novice when it comes to CS I can do my homework. I bet you'd find others who are interested as well.

What are the absolute entry level must read for someone interested in becoming a wizard

How many years does it take to read it all

Does doing any type of magick such as sigil magick cause demons to start fucking with you and end up getting schizophrenia or any other mental disorders?

>>18770771
Depending on your work ethic and reading comprehension it can take years. Doing the Work matters a lot and as far as I can tell you either have a Will for it or you don't.

>>18770788

all of it

Can a fictional story I wrote be considered a sigil?

>>18770769
I'm about to fuck off to bed. I'll make a new thread tomorrow afternoon.

>>18770806
Grant Morrison seems to think so.

>>18770840
Goodnight bb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHdpxpjYzVY

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>tfw you sink $20 into a cow's tongue that you won't eat half of to run an invultation

I hope Brent appreciates how much I despise him.

https://youtu.be/Gv8_WPwoSNA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35e61H2v4HQ

>>18772465

What the fuck is that supposed to be? I want to stab my ears out.

>>18772534
>he's too plebian for music produced by truly okkvlt artistes
Stay triggered.
https://youtu.be/9W2Z4CTGsCk

>>18772545

So the reason Thelemites haven't attained anything is that they waste all their time on Reason making shitty experimental ambient "music." It all makes sense now!

>>18772553
Thanks for the last post.
See you in the next thread.

>>18772558

No this is the last post. Boom.