Venus is a habitable planet.

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>>18726328
EVERYBODY with a decent telescope can look at Venus and see how it really is.

It has been described in history as the most beautiful place in the solar system, blue, covered in clouds, first astronomers thought of this world as a global swamp.

First quality images of this planet confirmed this thoughts.

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>>18726332
Artistical representation of an ocean planet.

Those might be one of the most common planets out there. Earth suffered a major catastrophic event (with direct relation with our Moon being there) that caused most of our water to escape our planet, otherwise we could have ended as a "snowball planet", a ocean world that due to it's location in the colder area of the habitable zone has become frozen. Tidal heat and the continents have saved us from this fate.

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>>18726344
Because of Mariner 10 being a NASA mission, they had to create a lie in order to start their manipulation. They had to create a fake picture of Venus as a kind of "gas giant" with it's color turned into blue. The "desertic world covered in gas" is a weird thing, but a blue desert rocky planet wasn't a possibility. And that's how the fake Venus was born.

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>>18726328
Would the Russians and their Venera 9 lie to us?

>>18726328
>>18726332
Well, this is a new one, your one retarded nigger. The Soviets sent a probe to Venus in the 80s i believe, and proved that the planet was a rocky planet with severe pollution/CO2 levels, so bad that the probe was destroyed in about an hour. They do believe that it could theoretically be possible for like to exist on Venus but only in the clouds, and the life would have to have evolved to live in a atmosphere that is 1000x what the greenhouse effect has done to Earth, at least.

Also your pulling the ultra-habitual ocean planets out of your ass, yes ocean planets exist, but they are in know way ultra-habitual. They are nothing more than water, and the only thing that could possible exist is ocean life, which leads to a lesser chance of sentient life existing.

>>18726350
Do you honestly believe that some gasses can't be blue? Or that anyone at NASA believe Venus is a fucking gas giant? Also pictures from these telescopes are not all that reliable, since the planets are still hundreds if not thousands of miles away and the coloring can be off, due to a massive amount of reasons.

>>18726332
>as a global swamp
HOLY SHIT!!! TRUMP CONFIRMED SAVIOUR!!!
HES GONNA DRAIN THE SWAMP SO WE CAN MOVE THERE!!!!!!!!!!
A PARADISE FOR TRUE BELIEVERS!!!

>>18726358
The Soviet Union faked all of their space exploration missions. They were never succesfull to leave the Earth. Both Russia and the United States stay in silence because they both have faked most of their space-race and they both know it.

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>>18726374
Explain all the inventions that were born because of the space race?

I once looked at what I thought was Venus through my telescope and I saw a bubbling ball of blinding light, with an indigo shape hovering over it

I suppose the presence of water on Venus would fully explain what I saw: The reflection of the sun and a rainbow too!

>>18726364
Implying the ocean cant have life way more intelligent than any of us, humans

>>18726364
>>18726374

Which one of you should I believe?
Me:>>18726358

>>18726384
Name one

>>18726364
The Soviets faked all of their space missions. They never left the Earth, neither Venera, neither the rest.

>Also your pulling the ultra-habitual ocean planets out of your ass, yes ocean planets exist, but they are in know way ultra-habitual. They are nothing more than water, and the only thing that could possible exist is ocean life, which leads to a lesser chance of sentient life existing.

Well, you've declared yourself an idiot. Go read some flat-earth threads, summon demons and medicate your schizophrenia.

>>18726389
>implying there would be any reason to evolve into an intelligent species underwater.

>>18726386
this is a joke right?

>>18726395
Here's 20
http://www.therichest.com/rich-list/the-biggest/20-shocking-nasa-inventions-we-use-everyday/

>>18726399
>go read some flat-earth threads,
Coming from the retard that is saying Venus is a fucking habitual planet. Why don't you find a way to get there and test that retarded ass theory out.

>>18726364
How do you not realize appealing to government claims is irrelevant when you're in a thread with the premise that we have been lied to by government officials on this subject?

If you spent less time cultivating a racist ideology and more time on logic, you would have realized how blatantly obvious that is.

I'm not saying OP is right, I'm not an /x/ denizen, but that is basic rhetoric.

>>18726426
I may have brought up government claims, but these claims are supported by nearly every respected astronomer or astro-physicist, now if OP somehow knows more than them, full-power to him. But there is absolutely no evidence to back it up. When there are mountains to back up the "government claim"

I guess all of those officialists have a good reason to explain why the Earth, being in the hot area of the habitable zone, having a dense atmosphere, a pretty low albedo, and being almost a binary planet with the Moon creating tidal heat constantly, has an average global temperature of around +15ºC and has almost become frozen in several times.

I'm excited to hear your explanation for this phenomenon.

>respected astronomer or astrophysicist

How are they respected?

>>18726448
By discovering things, having theories that have been proven to be correct, reviewing scientific papers, etc.

>>18726374
Though those two countries making shit up isn't exactly far fetched, you're talking flat Earth levels of nonsense. Shooting an unmanned probe towards another planet isn't hard. As for the moon landing, if you have a good enough telescope, you can see the gear the astronauts left behind.

As Randall Munroe once said, if NASA was willing to fake achievements, it would have faked more achievements since the 70s. The truth is that after going to the moon and sending probes everywhere, the people with money determined there was no profit off planet at this time.

>>18726453
Would it be possible to view the equipment on the moon with a telescope that say a regular person could buy? Sounds interesting.

>>18726386
not a joke, why would you think it was?

I guess it's funny because I saw a rainbow on another planet and you don't believe me?

>>18726426
can we just ban the word racist come 2018?
that word has lost all meaning.

ty.

>>18726465
Not sure about that. 20 years ago, no. Today, maybe. If you can get a telescope which allows you to see details of Jupiter's atmosphere, it probably has enough magnifying power to show you the gear on the moon. You'd have to be awfully precise though, which is unlikely to be possible without computer assistance.

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>>18726470
The rainbow you saw was the sun-light being decomposed by the water particles of Venus atmosphere, as it happens here on Earth. Pic of it.

>>18726404
>implying there would be any reason to evolve into an intelligent species underwater.
Why not?

>>18726404
>implying there would be any reason to evolve into an intelligent species underwater.

Explain. And I assume you meant sapient, not intelligent.

>>18726481
>>18726488
nigga i dont know, i just going off the fact that the ocean dont got none

>>18726452
No, it's because they create belief systems. They are tools fort he gov.

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>>18726478
It's actually the gasses reflecting the suns light, just like they do on earth retard

also
>sun-light being decomposed
what the hell are you talking about? Light does not decompose.

>>18726478
that's a nice gif

>>18726328
Venus is habitable for humans. At a certain level of the atmosphere.

Floating cities would be required (getting that stuff there from Earth would require a logistical, scientific and engineering marvel).

At the surface you would quickly die from heat and dissolve from the acidic atmosphere. Venus is not a gas giant.

Venus may have been similar to Earth in the past but extreme global warming greenhouse effect have changed that.

>>18726502
This has got to be the stupidest thing I've read in this thread, and that's taking OP into account.

>>18726519
this

Venus is habitable in this sense. But humans are not scientifically advanced enough to pull that off.

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>>18726524

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>>18726478
That's really cool but what I saw was more like a pillar of light on the horizon, but purple instead of green

When I saw it I thought it looked like a jellyfish orbiting the planet so my first thought was that it wasn't Venus but something else altogether

>>18726426
>U SO WASIST

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>>18726519
2 true, Prior to the 1990s Mars would grow grass every year when the ice caps melted, and then when the grass died the water would sink into the soil and return to the north pole through underground rivers which always flow north

Mars is made of iron so it conducts the heat from the sun more directly than Earth or Venus, which is why Mars is warm despite being so far from the sun, albeit it only for part of the year

>>18726328
>The manipulation of the Solar System habitable zone. It has been shifted away to exclude Venus
I've never heard of this. The habitable zone is mostly based around Venus and Mars being the two closest planets and uninhabitable. Like venus is too hot and mars too cold almost. It's tweaked slightly depending on what's being looked at like where water can melt and so on.

>>18726328
>Modern area shows an Earth in the inner-almost too hot area of the habitable zone, while it is pretty obvious that the Earth is in the center-cold area of it.
I'd agree. It's probably a money thing since we can just go to Mars and walk around right now. Mars is like the new prize like the moon was in the 50s and 60s. So people are trying to claim Venus might never be a good prospect and only Mars could be our saviour despite it being objectively worse.

>>18726364
If you removed a large portion of Venus' atmosphere would it be habitable?

>>18726477
There are inherent limits to telescope resolution. To resolve a 10 m detail on the moon for example you need a ~25 m wide lens. That's like for the thing to be a pixel btw.

So no.

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>>18726536
like this?

It's just how the atmosphere affects the human eyes when light touches it.

>>18726552
ok, whatever you say anon

>>18726564
Maybe for a few decades, but then it would just return to its original state since the volcanoes on the planet are constantly refueling the atmosphere with massive amounts of CO2.

>>18726560
Why do you say that Mars would be worse? Just because it's cold? It's not like they won't be wearing space suits. And its much better than being surrounded by acid, which could cause malfunctions in the hardware, or even destroy it. The worse thing you'd have to worry about on Mars are solar flares.

>>18726564
Venus is potentially a twin Earth, the atmosphere and as a result of that the temperature are just different.

>>18726564
Quite like asking if the Earth will be habitable if we remove a large portion of its forest

>>18726574
>Why do you say that Mars would be worse? Just because it's cold?
You'd have to live under a dome or come up with some crazy new novel atmosphere that might stay attached a bit better. The gravity is crazy low for the size which might be great from certain logistical standpoints, but also means we have crap like low flying Phobos that could potentially cause some issues.

I think it would potentially make a great ski resort if it gets terraformed though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj5A0rKI0Ag

>>18726608
Never thought of a ski resort on mars before haha

>>18726608
That cancer that is human should never be allowed its planet.

>>18726608
Humans could live on Mars but it would have to be in underground bunkers due to the lack of atmosphere and the cold. It would be a bleak existence.

The low gravity would cause muscle wasting problems. Who knows how fatal that could be after a certain time.

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>>18726628
Your lies are as transparent as your blood

Come to Mars and you shall never leave it

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>>18726642
The low gravity would make it possible for just about anyone to grow into a giant, given the right circumstances :^)

>>18726650
A gangly fragile giant perhaps

>>18726328
Don't you know that all the images from your telescope are preprogrammed Freemason CGI? I bet you want us to think that Saturn actually has rings too, you fucking shill.

>>18726650
something like blob, yes. Imagine being an ameriburger on mars.

>>18726328
>literally brownish/orange at the naked eye
>has blue oceans
Even the vampire tarot reading using the flat-earth model thread isn't this fucking idiotic.
Jump off a bridge.

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>>18726364
>your one retarded nigger
>"your"

>>18726790
Tfw to intelligent for this bate

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Sopdet is the consort of Sah, the personified constellation of Orion near Sirius. Their child Venus[1] was the hawk god Sopdu,[8] "Lord of the East".[11] As the "bringer of the New Year and the Nile flood"

>>18726440
>"supported by nearly every respected astronomer or astro-physicist"
>i.e. supported by people who would only stand to profit from government lies and conspiracies

You really aren't doing well

>>18726475
Not sure why that guy used racist in that context, but only a white/non-poc who has never faced discrimination in his life would utter the words you have, especially and unfortunately in today's day and age where racism is still alive and well. Enjoy your privilege.

>>18726799
>tfw you took it anyway

>>18726478
Well what we need here is a spectrometer to settle this case. Then we can tell what the atmosphere consists of firsthand.

>>18726608
>>18726642
THE THREAT ON MARS ISN'T THE LACK OF ATMOSPHERE. IT'S THE DUST STORMS AND RADIATION!

>Every single fucking person ever completely forgets about stellar radiation. It's a giant fucking Nuclear Power Plant in full on fuck off mode.

>>18726890
>IT'S THE DUST STORMS
The martian was bullshit.

Venus is where da-vinci came from. Also Einstein. It's basically Earth II with super smart humans living there.

>>18726890
yes but not being able to support a dense atmosphere is linked to protecting you from the radiation. a strong magnetic field would help to block the solar wind and decrease atmosphere thinning AND reroute solar radiation to a degree. light wont be redirected via the magnetic field but a dense atmosphere helps with that through diffusion

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>>18726890
>DUST STORMS AND RADIATION!

>>18726573
you're completely wrong btw

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Found a better picture of venus

>>18726328
wow OP
que jodia marica eres

>>18726827
look at this mong