Ancients

>>18644982
WE

>>18644994
fuck outta my thread with this attitude

>>18644994
WUZ

>>18644997
Haaa. Il bump just because of that. Your guess is as good as mine but it sure in hell seems like a hell of a task without some kind of advanced techniques.

>there are mathematical numbers scattered inside and out

No there aren't. This is just numerology. People looking for patterns in numbers where there aren't any. You can do the same process for any building ever built.

>is it just the act of some asshole dictator thousands of years ago

Yup

>perfect building

It's rocks stacked on top of other rocks. The rocks are uneven. There are half-finished saw marks where they mis-measured and had to start over. There are places where they didn't fit the stones perfectly, and they had to fill it in with mortar. All the claims about the pyramids being perfect are a load of bullshit. They're exactly what you'd expect if primitive people had built them.

>>18644982
check out robert bauval workshop and the video prior to that one

also, brian foerster

>>18645012
rocks are put to a degree of exactitude that is dead good.

claiming it was primitive people its absolutely retarded honestly

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>>18645034
>dead good

I know your ancient aliens shows like to tell you that, but it's just not true.

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>>18645045
your mom is also wide open after i fuck her

do you have any fucking idea how many earthquakes have hit the pyramids? how it lost its outer coating in an eartquake where the egiptians took all that coating and built Cairo with it?

youre just another shill that just disproves everything at first sight without doing any effort of investigating the object in question go hang yourself and leave /x/ forever

>>18645034
We were all pretty primitive until recently desu.

He wasn't implying that the Egyptians were all simple. Just that people grossly inflate the legacy of their architectural abilities and culture as a whole. Giving it mystical tier attributes, believing lies etc..

>>18644982
OP, they used pulleys, scaffolds & a fuckload of slaves.

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>>18645061
fucking primitive bro

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>>18645061

fuck the new /x/ im out

>>18645004
ALEINZ

>>18645052
this movie was fucking weird

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>>18645069
Either that, or they just poured it in like concrete.

They're made of fucking limestone. That was the first clue. The second was that almost all of the blocks are all the same shape, as if they were made from a single mold.

>>18644982
is that a real photo? who the fuck wears jeans in the desert

>>18645076
>>18645078
Not an argument desu.

Stay mad.

>>18645012
Numeronomy*

And you should watch the documentary OP posted because you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

DUDE LIKE

NOBODY CAN STACK ONE ROCK ON TOP OF ANOTHER

ITS LITERALLY IMPOSISBLE DUDE

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>>18646360
I want to see you, do this.

>>18646369
Give me thousands of workers with a heap of stone blocks and I'll do it in 20 minutes you giant retard

>>18645093
No, numerology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerology

You shouldn't watch OP's video, because it's garbage.

>>18645052
So you think the pyramids were perfect before the earthquake but they're not now because they're clearly imperfect.

>>18645085
>all the blocks are the same shape

That's not even remotely true. Also there are markings all over them from being carved. Not molded. Also, there's the fucking quarry where they were carved from right near by.

WE WUZ GYPSHUNS N SHEEEEEEEIT

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>>18646374
>20 minutes.

That without considering that if you put that much manual labor in the same place, you may have to deal with a revolution in less than 20 minutes.

>>18645088
Some hipster faggot with the audacity to break the law and climb up there just for a fucking Facebook photo, what a shitlord.

>>18646389
A little kid could come up with the idea of gator-faced people, you realize.

>>18646389
Or just get a few overseers to whip them.

Are you claiming that slavery was not a thing that existed in the past?

>>18646394
>egypt utilizing slaves for pyramid building
this has been thrown out already
they were the same people who farmed egypt and were paid for their time

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>>18646394
The bigger the project the bigger the logistics and social problems.

You can't whip a thousand people you need a lot of civilization to do that for you.

That's what you don't seem to grasp, a thousand workers have to eat, and have needs and places where they come from, and most likely want to return to them unless you tought of all of this before starting your mega project.

There's plenty of projects that were never finished in modern times, that simple collapsed due to their size.

>>18644982
I'd like to point out that during the rest of this garbage fire of a post you claim it took 20 years to build. That is incorrect. It took centuries of work to build all three and the structures around, and they were not built at the same time. Impressive, very. Impossible, no.

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>>18644982
OR.
It was too awesome.
the whole lot.
so the waters got mucked up.
when we warred for it.
and over the centuries, things began to be lost in the 'sands of time' and Lore became tales.
tales became stories. and stories are forgotten.

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>>18645078
I'm relatively new but I see your strugle.


for the uninformed:

Hanan pacha (1st age approx 50k-12k BC) stonework like pic related, huge polished and flawless granite which we couldn't replicate today. (advanced civilizations which understood the real forces and knew how to apply them)>>18645076


Urun Pacha (2nd world 12k-4k BC) Pre Inca stonework where huge stones apper to fit in together perfectly

Ukun pacha (4K bc - NOW)

>when you make a thread on /x/ and Danny Downers come and ruin it with "logic" and "science"
amirite guis?

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these are 1000 ton blocks (4 STATUES OF LIBERTY!!) In Baalbek Lebanon. Google that shit.

"Muh cavemen did that" fags GTFO

>>18646390
I would do it. Lol
I love climbing high dangerous shit.

Asmodeus.

Asmodeus is the answer to most of these kinds of inexplicably built monuments.

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This is on one of the pyramid. Look at the specs.

No one knows how the fuck could that have gotten in there yet alone been fucking made.

>>18646496
"100 tons 800 km away by pulling on logs lmao "

>>18646496
These boxes used to be energy centres. The one in the pyramid of Giza used to hold the "arch of the covenant", a very powerful gravitational device, which the Hebrews stole as a revenge for the Egyptians enslaving them.

To my personal knowledge, the arch is now in posession of a sufi group. But I'm not too sure about that.

>>18646486
Those are clearly natural rock formations, your brain is just falsely perceiving a pattern that looks artificial to you.

It's called "Pareidolia".

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>>18645069
>>18646496
>>18646486
1000 ton blocks on pulleys. Are you retarded?

800 km on pulleys. Stop being a fucking clown.

>>18646502
>doesn't believe thousands of humans backed by an economy made up of millions can carry rocks through the desert and stack them

>unquestioningly believes some random picture an anonymous person posted.

you might want to take your meds, lad.

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>>18646511
I see, info on pic related?

>>18646536
1000 tonne rocks. (1 000 000 kg) please explain to me how the fuck woudl they be pulled and stacked, what fucking materials wouldn't break from the weight? Perfectly stacked with no separation.

If you can convince me I get of /x/ and be a wagefag normie for the rest of my life.

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For everyone that wants more info on this:

https://www.davidovits.info/3d-computer-simulation-is-not-scientific-proof/

This it's the site of Joseph Davidovits, founder of the geopolymer institute, that proposed the idea that the blocks are made with artificial stone.

>Dr. J. Davidovits, founder of the Geopolymer Institute, has defined the essential components and sophisticated geopolymer chemistry of ancient cements that catalyze a caustic reaction: sand and crushed gravel, water, caustic soda and a kaolinite clay binding material.

Food for toughts.

>>18646486
TIME, you fucking moron
These projects took fucking TIME. A time scale of building something that large within a few years in a thoroughly MODERN concept using modern methods.
also, the shit you told us to google is roman, not caveman, you halfwit.

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>>18646566
Baalbek it's not Roman, it's from the roman period.

There's a difference, also no one have found the tools they used to make and lift the stones either, regardless of the monument being more recent.

>>18646537
A design motif that is repeated in many murals from the time, depicting lilies, and symbolically, the Nile.

Fools that read the crackpot books from the 70's will tell you they are undisputable proof of Egyptians having electricity, despite lack of any other scrape of evidence.

>>18646536
How many slaves would lift this? What ropes wouldn't snap? how were the ropes attached? What trucking logs wouldn't squash and splinter? How the fuck were they lifted and perfectly fitted?

>>18646490
Same, and the eerie feeling of being connected to the mythology plus the view must give off some crazy good feelings. But it's still illegal and seen as blasphemy, he literally just does it to be edgy.
They wouldn't mind if it was some Phd theologist rabbi priest goy because he has actual reason to be up there other than showing off.

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>>18646582
>>18646566

>>18646583
The question is why would you be wearing jeans in the desert. You'd need cargo pants that aren't squeezing you

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>>18646566
>time lifting million kilogram blocks and fitting them together

not very convincing

>>18646581

could you attach some convincing photograph of lilies like that?

>>18646602
>>18646586
>>18646582

>hurr I dont know how they did it, must be muh anicnets civilization
>b-b-but there dosnt need to be any other evidence, these giant stones are clearly an indicator of a vastly more advanced civilization
>only found in a scattering of sites in cultures known for their giant monolithic constructions and advanced stone working

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>>18646616
amazing

>>18646610
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/112-2/
I misspoke, It was a snake emerging from a lotus, part of their origin story.
Lets think about this. An ancient culture invents and harnesses electricity to light shit. Imagine the uproar that would make in a time when the most advanced liughting was lamps. This would have been an invention that would have been VERY prolific, because it would be very valuable. EVERYONE would want this hot new tech. People have never been stupid, if you;ve worked out light from electricity, there are small jumps to other uses of electricity, which changes the face of your culture.
ANYONE visiting Egypt (and there was A LOT of trade and traveling going on back then, Egypt was the center of their ancient world and important for trading when the Romans conquered them) would have marveled and written at length about miraculous, flame-less lighting. But there is nothing, aside from these pictures (which contextually are found in origin stories), which would lead anyone to think Egypt had electricity. No internal references, no external writings, no infrastructure, no artifacts.

But you're right, looks like a modern lightbulb, lets disregard all historical context.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws4O5LOCI68

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this is my favorite though

Almost a million cubic metres of stone (mostly granite) "hand carved" in the Longyou caves.

"with copper chisels lmao" "with an economy backing it trust me" nope, no fucking records of this by anyone, no records of any chinese civilization excavating 1000000 m^3 of stone.

http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/chinalongyou.htm

>inb4 they wuz primitive
you are retarded

Anyone have information about the russian megaliths?

>>18646668
Whats your hypothesis then?

Why, if they were so advanced, is there NOTHING else besides impressive constructions that showed they were there? Wouldn't a civilization that powerful dominate other cultures in the area, spreading their construction methods and leaving some sign of their passing?

>>18646652
No, no I didn't argue for electricity. Was genuinely just asking because saw it somewhere an needed other peoples input.
This is probably the hardest one for me to believe.

But regarding what you said about traders and modern Egypt I don't accept your trail of thought because I think that Egypt and the civilizations of Giza are far older (Im not talking about the dynastic Egypt which started 6k years ago). So statements like
>if they "discovered" electricity they'd start making other stuff too like we are
don't convince me. I don't believe the ancients developed and thought the same way we think today, they didn't have the same needs or drivers etc. I just started with this and will be looking into it for a while. Maybe ill conclude it's all rubbish and the mainstream timeline is the best, maybe not.

>>18646670
yeah that shit is new, tell me what you know

>>18646668
Why would there be written records? It predates written records in the area.

Also, you can clearly see all the chisel marks. Furthermore, it's sandstone, so it's pretty easy to carve.

>>18646707
Well first of all, like I said, we cannot think of these civilizations like we think of our modern ones. I support Inca lore and the 3 ages>>18646474

These civilisations didn't think the way we do, and didn't have the same goals. We know very little, and our chances at finding out have been decreasing over the centuries. Look into it, maybe you'll think it's nonsense, maybe it will keep you up at night.

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>>18646715
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWW1uLX3ClY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAFX_5fAEbc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XhdckpIf6U

>inb4 Crimea it's not russia, yet.

>>18646668
that cave is a hoax ya cuck

>>18646739
How?

>>18646709
Thats fair, I thought you were being antagonistic. My apologies for being curt.

The timeline of Egypt is corrabliated with internal writing, external writings of the cultures they interacted with, carbon dating the myriad of artifacts they left behind (like the pigments in their murals, burial shrouds, seeds left in offering jars) and other dating methods. There is no evidence for "far older civilizations" that had long term stable and permanent cities.

Why would "ancients" have developed and thought different from today? what makes an arbitrary time period of people so mystical?

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>>18646718
>sandstone
do you know what 2000 years of water erosion (they were submerged) does to fucking sandstone. This is mostly granite. (harder than the supposed tools of that era)
>chisel marks
yeah a million meters cubed of prehistoric chisel marks

>>18646729
Oh, but we can. different cultures for sure, different customs and beliefs. But they interacted with other civilizations pretty much exactly how and why different civilizations have always interacted with each other, and for the same reasons. They were people. they had the same needs as people have always had, and that shapes their actions.

Also, which Egypt do you mean? Egypt even in the traditional sense lasted 3000 years, from the very first people to begin agriculture to when they were conquered by the Romans. During that time, their culture had radical shifts and changes, they held different beliefs, and there were advancements in architecture and technology. Which Egypt do you mean when you apply the catch-all "ancients"?

I am unfamiliar with the inca lore and the 3 ages, I'll look into that.

>>18646734
Crimea is Russia
>>18646739
https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g677479-d1373164-Reviews-Longyou_Grottoes-Longyou_County_Zhejiang.html

please shut up

>>18646746
Water's going not going to erode sandstone if it's not flowing. It was at the bottom of a lake. And that's not granite, it's sandstone.

>>18644982
to anyone thinking about ancient aliens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwSFOURIs0U

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>>18646765
As you may have noticed I'm not a big supporter of the modern day historical timeline, which says that 12000 years ago we were nomadic hunter gatherers. (Check out the 12000 year old ruins in turkey, tell me if a bunch of hunter gatherers could assemble 100 ton monoliths, with animals which don't even inhabit that area). When I talk of "ancients" I don't think of them as people in the same sense as I think of modern day societies and cultures. The "civilizations" from before 12000 years ago, in giza (sphynx complex check out erosion), or anywhere else for that matter are definitely still too much of a mystery for me to come to any sensible conclusion regarding their behavior. All I can see is that they can manipulate stone in ways we cannot even do today, they probably had 0 interest in what humans are up to these days.

>>18646474
Humans have always been smart. We'd been navigating through the world for 200,000 years before these megalithic structors had been erected. Before then it's guaranteed early humans practiced building giant shit with degradable materials like wood and such, which is why we don't have evidence of it. (unless you google woodhenge).

Why do people always assume that because ancient humans didn't have ~advanced technology~ they were basically drooling idiots? There's a reason we hit the top of the food chain. Just because that history wasn't written doesn't mean it didn't happen.

>>18646810
>>18646486
Meant to reply to this asshole

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>>18646775
>"sandstone"

stop it

>>18646810
there's a difference between being "smart" and being able to fuck around with blocks which weigh a million kilos

so don't worry, no one is saying humans are stupid

>>18646860
>>18646818
>>18646810
4 million kilos according to this dude>>18646734
so yeah no way do I buy the slave + logs shit

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>>18646734
I've been in those mountains as a kid with my grandad so this whole thing is just wow

>>18646843
>stop it

Nah.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longyou_Caves

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>>18646740
>>18646766
I heard about this caves some time ago and didn't could find anything, but that link pretty much proves they are real.

In this case we dont only have to look to a very distant past but in a very recent one, vid related.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2FVwbYy8jk&t=2206s

>>18646869
What's the upper limit for the amount of sandstone that ancient people can carve, and why is that the upper limit?

Those blocks are too accurate for sand stones xDD

>>18646869
Nerd, ancient humans had ways of manipulating the world around them that we as modern people have forgotten/wouldn't think of. Just because we don't know exactly how they did it doesn't mean they didn't do it.

Agriculture and animal domestication is an insane concept, but we still managed to do it hundreds of thousands of years ago.

>>18646860
You're saying humans weren't smart enough to move things that weighed a lot. So who do you think did it? Aliums?

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>>18646886
>>18646901
>>18646869
>"sandstone"

Do you even know what sandstone looks like?>>18646843
(because this isn't it)

>>18646936
Sandstone comes in a variety of shapes and colors, but it's grainy, like your picture, and if you look real close you can see individual grains of sand.

>>18646930
I don't believe in "aliens". So for now I am sticking to ancient civilizations.

>>18646889
so whats the quick rundown on who did the jewels and the sculptures and the big picture or message of the vid?

>>18646952
you wouldn't convince a 5 year old that those pics are sandstone

>>18646986
Not him, but there's nothing impossible about any of that.

>>18646952
I agree with that part. But are you saying you think there were ancient civilizations with super-advanced technology that were wiped out? Because while I love that idea, I've really never seen any evidence other than loose approximations of how old the Sphinx might really be due to water erosion or what have you

>>18646989
What's your evidence that it's granite?

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>>18646986
>we dont know how they made it

The only sure thing is that we can not replicate the work of this people with our supposedly more advanced technology.

>>18647089
Mmm, nah, people make intricate marble sculptures and gold jewelry all the time. In fact nobody ever stopped.

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>>18647018
so the way this works is historians attempt to paint the most "plausible" picture of history with what they have. Leaving financial dependence aside, when a historical model fails to explain clear impossibilities/deliberate lies (whatever you prefer) one must turn to independent theorising and research. So like I said before, if you can be bothered get onto this whole thing, if it doesn't catch your interest, if you think that there's nothing out of the ordinary here then just leave it alone and research whatever interests you. I don't claim to have any answers sorry.

>>18647089
yeah I heard what she said about the masters who kept attempting to replicates the works at ermitage but no one even came close

Maybe they just worked really really hard

>>18646377
Numerology = Astrology

Numeronomy = Astonomy

It's obvious you're an idiot.
Go jump off your flat earth or whatever.

http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/


>There's an entire website with this shit refuted, sauced and shat upon>People still buy this shit
haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha
who said we had to wait for deVos to fuck up the Education system?

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>>18647187
For christ sake.

No one has mentioned aliens in the entire thread

>>18647196
>ctrl+f "aliens"
you wrong, nigga

>>18647202
Of course you posted a link that say aliens, in fact any mention of aliens, it's "aliens didn't do it".

Read them.

>>18646386
You can carve molded blocks. First you mold them. And then you carve them.

In order to make the concrete, you still have to get the stone from somewhere. You still need a quarry.

It's not like collecting materials to make a thing is purely the domain of cut stone, only.

Casting, from liquid is just the construction method, and the whole point of it is that you don't need 20 people to carry an enormous stone all at once.

You still have to carry the material over. Casting out of liquid isn't magic. It doesn't surpass Newton's Laws of physics. You still need to make the stuff, put it in a bag or whatever, and move.

It's just easier, because it's in a bag.

Have you never used concrete in your entire life before?

>>18644982
Most Egyptians except saves were just Arabs and Whites

>>18646652
I think they would've lit this bulb in the pyramids or palaces, not for the public eye

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>>18645076
Nigga that's the staircase from Highlander

>>18646360
Oh boy im gonna need some more popcorn because here comes the disinfo

>>18647187
it wasn't aliens gtfo plz

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Anyone around? bring the truth bombs about ancients wise anons.

I was under the impression that it was a skilled labour force who were paid for their work, not unlike Dubai today.

Also, didn't someone recently figure out that it was simply long, giant mud ramps that got the stones where they needed to be?

>>18647646
The most reasonable recent theory it's the internal spiral ramp.

The mud ramp was an even bigger project than the pyramid itself.

>>18645052
Thissssss

Fuck contrarians

>>18646578
Fallen Angels technology freindo

The answer is Fallen Angels.

Book of Enoch.

>>18645004
KAINGZ

>>18645034
you should see the stonework on south eastern asian temples

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>>18647806
Some stuff precision it's mind boggling.

>>18644982
a simple system of ropes and pulleys would suffice

>>18647898
Go far the Fuck away you imbecile

They used water to build iit

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>>18644982
Anyone else think there might have been a unified empire or something in the pacific? It seems like a lot of islands when discovered had megalithic ruins, and there a lot of 'mystery islands' which hold ruins but are on incredibly shitty places to sustain life and were uninhabited when found by europeans. Take malden island for example, it's a fucking salt desert but has megaliths on it + roads leading into the sea, and was uninhabited when discovered. And then there's nan madol and the lelu complex, which is a different level entirely.

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>>18648002
There's obviously easter island too.

>>18648046
yeah but that one has been studied extensively, and was isolated from the rest of the pacific.

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>>18648063
Despise the fame it's actually not that well understood.

For example the Rongo Rongo writings haven't been deciphered.

Only the late version with a lot less characters have been partially translated.

Not much it's known about the peak of the culture.

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>>18648002
>>18648046

and gunung padang in indonesia which looks very similar to nan madol and is estimated to be 20,000 years old. in pre-flood times, all of the islands of the indonesian archipeligo were a single massive landscape.

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>>18646889
off topic, but this chick's voice gives me a serious case of the chubs.

wow desu this isn't even really /x/

Disinfo shills gtfo. (Time + Slaves) - Technology =/= Formation and Movement of

Thanks everyone else who contributed, great evidence for the great knowledge/technology of ancient people! Truly a mystery as to how they accomplished certain feats. It makes you wonder how much of our own technology would or would not stand the test of time if it was to deteriorate and remain hidden in the earth for another civilization to find thousands of years later

>>18646889
that voice


WE

>>18648495
*Formation and Movement of literal tons of mass

btw surprised nobody brought this guy up, but somewhat related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R31SXuFeX0A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Cp7DrvNLQ

>>18646450
Herodotus would beg to differ with you.

>>18646668
They're sandstone, not granite. Sandstone can be worked with bronze.
They also supposedly date from around 240-ish BCE, well into China's iron age.

>>18646892
Check out the Nabateans. I'm not sure that's the upper limit, but it's got to be damned close.

>>18647089
Sure we can. We choose not to because that shit's prohibitively expensive and fairly unnecessary in today's world.

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>>18646616
>we don't know TODAY how they did it
>kek, must be real geniuses back then, amiright?

>>18644982
the Egyptians were far advanced for their time. not just technologically but socially as well. most of the great pyramids weren't built by slaves or ayyys but used as social welfare work programs. like, hey come help us build this and during that time you and your family will be well taken care of. as for tech, one of the oldest and most advanced pieces i believe was called the jerusalem light. motherfuckers figured out how to produce artificial like almost 3000 years ago through chemical reaction. personally i feel that people who decide to take the paranormal route to explain Egyptian ancient society seriously detract from how much ingenuity they did possess as a culture.

>end of blog

>>18649640
artificial light*

just woke up

>>18646581
>despite lack of evidence

those were lights, and based on designs they are reproducible. go look up how to make light with an oranges or whatever, that's all those lights were, just bigger.

>>18646578
not all wood petrifies.

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>>18646582
Slaves wouldn't even be permitted in the temple, let alone allowed to work on its foundation

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>>18646668
If I weren't a pandering retard I might even say those were natural formations

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>>18646430

There's also the insistence of Egyptologists that projects like the Pyramids weren't slave built at all. They've brought to light several issues fromt he workers having steady families, homes, worker lodgings (not prison cells, no bars, nothing like that) and most importantly training. Yeah. Training. Not the work of no skill, half starved people, but the quality work of people with training and proper tools.

There is proof that Egypt had slaves, but not until later periods, indeed Egyptologists argue that slavery was brought to Egypt from the outside. From Nubia, when the Nubians conquered Egypt for a time. The quality of the work during this period is significantly lesser, indicative of a drop in the skill set of the workers, and indeed, there is significant proof that the workers during this period were slaves. The Nubians did such a poor job of running Egypt, that they nearly ran it into the ground, the populace eventually rose up kicked them out to put it politely Unfortunately this was just the beginning as a weakened Egypt was vulnerable to attack, which brought in the Assyrians in the 600s who attacked, but did not conquer, and later the Persians in the 500s who did conquer. Alexander, obviously, also conquered Egypt later int he 300s.

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>>18649692
the crack in the column of the orthodox Easter fire

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>>18649818
False

Simply click the arrow beside the post number, select image search, and choose google, and it will show you the story

>>18648906
>>18646936
>>18646843
totally sandstone

>>18649824
What? Everyone knows the 1579 story when the Muslims blocked the path towards the fire etc.

Whats your argument here?

ignorance is what it keeps a secret.

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>>18649689
>>18649810
>>18648046
Easter Island was a hub where all the ocean farers from all the different cultures (europe, americas, asia etc.) would come and get together.

pic unrelated

>>18648943
>some methods have been forgotten simply because they're not necessary anymore
>MUST'VE BEEN MAGIC AND ALIUMS

So by that argument the ancient Egyptians, not knowing our modern methods, would be logically right in claiming that we're aliums and what we're doing is magick?

>>18646807
>they can manipulate stone in ways we cannot even do today
You fucking mongs fall for everything that's being fed, huh?

Conmen, shills and retards say "even TODAY we can't figure out how they did it" when what they're actually speaking about is that since in modern times we have infinitely better methods and technologies available, we haven't had the need to work with huge monolith stones since forever.

If we really wanted to carve stone, we'd do that. If the pyramids were as important to us as they were to Egyptians, we'd build them bigger and better and faster and more numerous.

But we don't because we've got other pursuits.

Why does this even need explaining?

>>18649860
seems highly unlikely. wouldn't we find some evidence of that on easter island in the form of artifacts left behind as remnants of trade from different parts of the world?

>>18647196
>>18647470
>>18644982
Reminder that ancient aliens relies on the exact same arguments as made by any other theorists claiming ancient wonders as having been built by high tech. The only difference is in what they claim was behind the technology.

You don't get to salvage your shitty arguments as soon as you replace your old shitty theory with a new one as that shit gets debunked.

>>18646474
You can obviously see how it's not "flawless".

>which we couldn't replicate today

>we can polish diamonds to perfection, but there is no way in hell can we rub away half assedly a few mm off a granite slab

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>>18649891
They say that most dinosaur bones are cracked beyond recognition during the process of removal, and that the skeletons seen in museums are merely concrete recreations, containing, at most, a jagged chunk of bone

>>18646578
Why would the tools be there if they finished the thing?

The huge contraptions they may have used for building it weren't universal tools, but created specifically for this object. There is no reason why we would discover any of them, unlike as is the case with universal tools like pickaxes, hammers and so forth. The contraptions were most likely deconstructed once the object was finished.

>>18649896
>and that the skeletons seen in museums are merely concrete recreations
OBVIOUSLY so. It's not even a secret.

No museum probably has all the bones necessary to form a skeleton, and since seeing individual bones is boring shit nobody would pay for, they create replica bones to build huge fancy scary cool looking skeletons of giant reptiles to entertain people and stay afloat.

Really fires the neurons up, huh?

>>18649898
That's like saying why would an old man carry a sword?

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>>18649904
I remember being at a museum and thinking "Shouldn't I be more excited about dragon bones?"

you need to find the secrets of Antarctica to find the remaining secrets of Egypt
>ancient tech
>ancient civ
which of these two have we seen the most of? Egypt
>Egypt brings questions
>Antarctica brings answers
Now that you know where to look, do you know what to ask?

>>18649905
Swords are not analogous to construction contraptions.

Huge contraptions are ALWAYS deconstructed, even nowadays. Those huge cranes used for skyscrapers are constructed on the spot, not transported and stored as a whole.

But since such huge projects were that much rarer during those times, a contraption necessary for such huge slabs would have no other purpose once the project is finished.

So they deconstruct it and its parts will go for other purposes.

>nooo, aliums makes more sense

>>18649914
You are the slave

>>18649919
He is not even permitted to keep his own hammer

>>18649919
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SoKFycTmVU

>>18649877
You wot?

You have the evidence, the structures, I'm not changing aliens for advanced humans I always believe there were advanced humans.

I always believe that there's lost technology and knowledge, because knowledge it's fragile.

>>18650076
What do you mean by
>lost technology and knowledge
>advanced humans

If lost technology and knowledge stands for simple crafts, forgotten due to their irrelevancy, and historical information a la lost or destroyed chronicles, respectively, and advanced humans for some relatively highly advanced civilization for its time, as per Egypt, or some lost and forgotten culture as per the Easter island (or something entirely unknown, because "lost and forgotten"), then I agree with you.

However if lost technology and knowledge stands for tech even remotely similar to modern, or some forgotten knowledge of the laws of the universe, and advanced humans for some highly advanced civilizations, perhaps even from some other humanoid species, then I'll have to call you a retard.

>>18644982
egyptians understood basic geometry

they had lots and lots of slaves with which they could accomplish things like this

whats so hard to understand about that?

>>18645082
What movie was it?

>>18646496
This should be a ylyl
>find centuries old Egyptian sarcophagus
>proceed to rig it with explosives
We've truly come so far

>>18646537
Lol no. That's just a depiction of Egypt's favorite pastime - Cock fighting

>>18644982
The idea that human societies have always followed an upward technological progression doesn't make sense considering how quickly we moved from a state that was devoid of tech, through the industrial revolution and into the current.

In ancient times any discovery could have initiated rapid tech advancement in the same manner, although with a different presentation and different themes. Why would it only happen once? This could very well be the first time, I'm not denying it, but it seems probably that it isn't.

>>18650435
>but it seems probably that it isn't
Based on what?

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>>18650170
>>18649877
>>18649872
I don't really see what people like you have to do on these type of threads. Who the fuck are you gonna convince that a bunch of rocks which weigh more than 4 statues of liberty can be stacked by slaves rolled on logs...

Or that 1000000 m^3 of mountain was carved out by chinks with chisels for banter and no records of it remain when it's allegedly 2k years old.

Not even going to bother with replying to any more of these, just since I keep getting (you)'s had to reply.

You are missing the whole point. I don't believe that the tech of their days resembled ours, I don't believe we can even compare ourselves to those who came long before us. I don't think shit like "well there would be traces of their smartphones and bubblegum" is a valid argument. I think their motivations and mind sets were completely different, beyond our current understanding, I do not think of them through the goggles of today's thinking. Don't come with shit like "If you say they are so different then why aren't they doing some of this modern day bullshit>>18650435" They don't "advance" like we do, they are on a whole other level, I do not even know what characteristics we share. I think that the whole picture becomes interesting once you start considering the bigger picture. Some might agree some might try to disagree with regards to all the inexplicable (inb4 muh slaves and logs) constructions. I am not even focusing on that shit anymore, I want to know to attempt to understand those who came before us, and that cannot be achieved by looking at things narrowly and with the outlook of today's idiot society member. "We are advanced and shit" no, you are closer to the monkey in the zoo than to the people who make the advancements for you. Don't forget that.

I don't think calling anyone some names on a thread is going to change anyone's mind.

Keep doing whatever you people do with your lives. Best of luck.

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>>18650308
lmao

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>>18649912
Should I save up a lot, go to the south of Chile get hold of one of those high altitude balloons, some good camera with zoom and shit and try to see what goes on in Antarctica? How do I get there? Where can I learn more?

>>18650711
The issue sems to be what happened to that knowledge.

How did we let it be lost.

Did stupidity always win?

Will our memes be forgotten in the future dark ages?

>>18650711
>what about the proof
>WHAT PROOF THERES NOT GOING TO BE ANY PROOF IN THE FORM YOUD EXPECT, THEY ARE DIFFERENT, YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND IT, YOU NEVER WILL, YOUR PERCEPTION IS CLOSED AND YOURE A STUPID MONKEY FROM A ZOO, OPEN YOUR MIND
Meanwhile one retired dude easily manipulates blocks weighing tons and builds stonehenges literally for the bants.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K7q20VzwVs

>DUDE LEVITATION LMAO

He is literally raising 19 ton slabs with wood. Alone.

>MUH WHOLE NEW LEVEL, MUH BIGGER PICHUR, WERE ALL JUST IDIOTS, HUMANS CANT DO SHIT, WE NEVER WENT TO THE MOON, IT WAS ALIUMS

>>18644982
after the people of Egypt set up their homes along the nile around 8000 bc they had a few thousand years to advance technologically. we keep finding and learning new things. I don't think their was a previous civilization that started it all, but I think places like Harappa, Catal Huyuk, the developing cultures of the fertile crescent, all started the building blocks for future civilizations such as Egypt. They had elaborate pulley systems, and ropes, and slaves, and were very good at logistics. I think rather than catering to the nostalgia of some mythical lost kingdom that started it all, the reality of it, while a little more complicated, is far more interesting. Especially when we factor in what we don't know about these ancient people, which is a lot.

>>18646496
>in one of the pyramids

No, that was in a temple. And while most of the sarcophagi had been looted, the one remaining unlooted one had been a mummified bull, now in a museum.

>how

ropes, pulleys, levers, inclined planes, and wedegs. They'd need wood and rope for the transporting, copper and stone for the carving. For transportation of large distances they used barges.

>>18650742
There's a plane that goes to Punta Arenas.

Crash in my house and I'll take you there.

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>>18650762
>19 ton of molded concrete
>compares to 1000 ton of rock stacked way higher than Stonehenge
>you unironically think this is somehow relevant
>WE IZ SMART N SHIET
gross

>>18650568
Humans were capable of about the same levels amount of cognition that we are now. Whatever brought about our tech advancements was not because we as humans suddenly evolved the ability to be super smart within a few hundred year span, what I mean is it's not because of a fundamental change, as blank slates without acculturation our ancestors are about as capable as us, it must've been brought on by environmental coincidences that spiraled into the causative factors of the society what we have now. A group of people started caring about gathering and cataloging information, someone discovered some weird thing, applied it, and it changed the world, something like that.

Such coincidences could be incredibly rare, but given that our base capabilities have been relatively static and we've been around for a much longer time than our society even began to develop, there's no reason why similar or perhaps completely different revelations that accelerate tech development could have been discovered in the distant past.

>>18650804
>>18650762
19000 pounds in kg is 8618.255 hahahah

>>18650804
Fact is your stupid ass would've laughed at the idea of some old dude alone building an entire stongehenge, which used to be a mystery.

Just because we've forgotten the methods doesn't mean there never were any. Or are you saying an entire civilization with motivation can't figure shit out if it needs to? This guy came up with the idea alone. Now multiply one human by millions and maybe, just maybe, the result is that they're going to be a 'little' more capable than that one dude.

>>18650808
Cute post but you didn't answer my question.

What makes it improbable that our history is the first? What are you even relying on for your judgement to assume there have been such things before?

>>18650817
>hahahaah i spotted that one typo you made, hahahahaah now all you said is irrelevant

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>>18650762
Also no one ever told you to open your mind or your mouth, only saying that trying to convince people like me by attempts to ridicule is a waste of time, what do you even gain? What are you even doing here? What is your life?

>>18650833
weigh 25 tons (22.6 metric tons) on average. It is widely believed that they were brought from Marlborough Downs, a distance of 20 miles (32 kilometers) to the north.

>he built it breh believe me
doesn't come close to Stonehenge yet alone actual wonders

>the entire civilization with a motivation
talk to me about motivations then
>inb4 it wuz graves and shiet

>>18650886
>he's one guy.

Get a couple hundred of him, you could reproduce anything in the ancient world.

>>18650833
>What makes it improbable that our history is the first?
The fact that we have been here a very long time and nothing has changed enough to indicate that whatever context created our recent technological acceleration is unique (unless you have information that says otherwise). Either something so unusual occurred, something that hadn't happened in tens of thousands of years, because genetic evolution alone cannot account for our technological evolution (they are out of synch), and all of this is something of a fluke, or we create societies out of habit and they collapse. Or gathering knowledge is such an exponential process that it took an extremely long time to begin and then suddenly shoehorned all of its tangible effects to a small, couple of thousand year time frame. Which is possible.

Our culture has been created by the accumulation of knowledge over the past few thousand years. What about the tens of thousands of years prior to that? Did humans mysteriously choose not to gather information even though there is no reason to assume that it wouldn't have been a human imperative back then as it is now?

>>18650897
>what about the tens of thousands of years prior to that

No written language. No cities. No ways to gather knowledge and improve upon it.

>it is a human imperative

Oh please. 99% of humans don't give two shits about knowledge and do nothing to contribute to it. Look at /x/. Perfectly content to go through life being illiterate retards.

>>18650859
>calls everyone who doesn't share his view (a retarded one at that) apes closer to the monkey that people who make advances, goes further and claims all of society that doesn't share his view is like that

>speaks of calling names and attempts at ridicule

People like you should be put to death.

You're not thinking out of the box. You're not being innovative or creative. You have no basis for your beliefs and yet throw everything with a grain of logic to it away for the sake of riding your clouds and dreams of pure air and conjecture.

>>18650886
>talk to me about motivations then
Ask that guy what was his motivation.

Or the guys who built churches.

Might learn something about humans.

While you're at it, try coming up with a reason why an advanced civilization, alien or not, would stack rocks on each other. Just rocks. Nothing else, no technology, no infrastructure, nothing. Rocks.

>>18650897
Holy shit this is a perfect /x/ post, showing a total and absolute lack of interest and knowledge towards the subject.

Neolithic revolution. Read about it. Cause: climate warming after ice age.

May God help you in your life.

>>18650892
No, you couldn't. That's the reason why this is a thing. But you either know this and shilling, trolling or just hold dear your convictions the latter of which is fine by me, just don't expect everyone to adopt them.

>>18650906
But the means of discovering how to create a written language and socially organize was equally as available then as it is now. Why was it at a standstill for so long, why should we believe that it even would be?

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>>18644982
The ancients used harmonic/electro-magnetic technology to move big stones. Waves. You can do it, too. It isn't a mystery, it was just tech that has been lost. You don't need metal, which is why we haven't found any. You can use crystals and the human body. Frequencies. This technology was given to them by the few who had survived the last Great Flood (there have been many and there will be more.), who were "more advanced." This means more advanced mentally, physically and SPIRITUALLY. The truth has come down in whispers and allegory. It is a secret that has been guarded by the priestly caste. Listen and you will know. We have the baby of this tech in binaural beats. Tesla knew.

>>18650915
Alright thanks for answering my question. Maybe people wouldn't oppose you if you weren't a smug faggot.

>>18650936
Keep calling people apes and see how warmly they go on about it.

Also
>calling someone smug
>on 4chan
ok

>>18650921
>it's easy to move super heavy blocks

>but moving super duper heavy blocks is unpossible

How heavy does a block have to be before it's impossible to move it?

>>18650924
Civilization. In order to make things likely that a written language to be developed, you need to have cities. That is, some percentage of the population growing crops and raising animals, and another significant portion of the population doing other shit. Even in ancient civilizations like Egypt, only a small fraction of those who worked for the nobles actually knew how to read and write.

And in order to develop into cities in the first place, you need the domestication of crops and farm animals. Something that requires long periods of time, and a lot of luck. Before that everybody was just hunters and gatherers, with no need for written language, or a reason to invent one.

Once you've domesticated plants and animals, that spreads comparatively quickly, which leads to civilizations relatively quickly which leads to languages, and if the civilization is very successful, progress.

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>>18650929
>You can do it, too. It isn't a mystery

>>18650915
Please tell me how close you are to people who make advancements. People who think like you end up doing what you are doing, coming to a board on 4chan which is dedicated to talk about this shit, comes to a thread to which he cannot contribute, and get sad when someone points out that people who actually "advance" have left you waaay behind along with the monkey.

No one is trying to change your mind yet you keep responding. Why? What's your endgame? What are you even doing?

>they be staking rocks nigguh its just rocks innit

>>18650929
>it isn't a mystery
>it's just been lost

>>18650945
I didn't call anyone an ape

>haha being an asshole is a part of 4chan culture!
Doesn't change the fact that you are one.

May God walk you through the path of Light, young one. :)

>>18650954
Only someone arguing for aliums would start a discussion thread about the prospect of an alium theory, and then get mad when people post contrary arguments.

>>18650965
read the conversation before trying to put it out of context

>aliums ey lamo

>>18650929
I want to believe.

Where do I start?

Can anyone explain to me why threads about demons, succubi and magic go really almost totally unchallenged, but as soon as someone says that the ancients were more advanced that we thought, it's hit with more scrutiny and skepticism than anything else on this board?

Why the fuck are you even here if you ridiculous the most reasonable threads on this board?

>>18651012
Do you seriously think that someone needs to disprove the existance of succubus?

>>18651012
Because this is an actually interesting topic and the threads you named are cancer that is supposed to be ignored

>>18651018
I would assume someone who gets angry that people believe there's more to Egypt than we were taught in school is also ridiculing people who literally believe in the paranormal.

So I ask again, why are you even here?

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>>18650986
There are many pieces of evidence and things to read concerning this. I would recommend looking into "human tuning" to understand how sound affects our MINDS. General physics can be helpful. Everything is made of LIGHT WAVES. Some move very slow; the more "awake" the conscious, the faster the light moves. This is why we are more conscious than a rock. Phosphorous. DNA.

Read the ancient texts, that is where I began. The Bible, the Veda's...the secret is written down, but people are blind to the allegory. Learn about LIGHT. Revelations is an allegory for your "chakras," or your electric system. Your Spiritual self is as real as your "mental" and "physical" self. A holy trinity. The "GODS" in ancient texts are REAL beings, just more "awake" than poor humans.

>>18650795
Where do you live?

>>18650956
Lost can be found, mysteries may always be mysterious. Learn about light and frequencies. Learn about the frequencies of your vertebrae. Did you know each one has a particular one? 432 hz, not 440 hz.

>>18651036
Near valparaiso, Chile.

>>18651034
I have been reading ancient texts, I am in pursuit of wisdom and wakefulness. Phosphorous, vibrations/waves I have come across many of these things. Where do I go to advance?

Are books like fringe knowledge, Prometheus rising helpful in this? Or should I overlook them and read something else?

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>>18650978
>circlejerk circlejerk circlejerk aliums nephilim human superspecies
>hey what if it was humans, y'know, like us? what if we rely on arguments instead of wild conjecture and god of gaps?
>HURRR HOW DARE YOU, FUCKING RETARD HOW CAN HUMANS MOVE ROCKS LMAO UNPOSSIBLE

>>18650986
Just wait for the guy to post a video of a sand particle being levitated by soundwaves and then claim it was used for 1000 ton slabs, while desperately ignoring an old dude manipulating slabs weighing tons easier than his own fucking limbs and dismissing it "LOL WOOD AND RAFTS FOR ROCKS HAHAH HOW SILLY".

>>18651012
Because that shit is too far gone into schizophrenia that there's no point in even trying to engage those audiences.

Oh and because most of those threads is probably just trolls and roleplayers.

>>18651031
>believe there's more to Egypt than we were taught in school
That's a very modest way of describing the bullshit here :^)

Try this
>believe everything we know is bullshit, either due to ignorance or manipulation, and that world and history is absolutely not what we've thought so far

K I'm off. Enjoy the circlejerk.

>>18651034
Also is flat earth a distraction? I was close to unironically believing.

>>18651070
Yeah man you're right I see it now, thanks for opening my eyes. Everything is totally like what I've been taught.

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>>18651059
Fringe books can be helpful, but in my studies I have found that the older the source, the more undiluted the material, and thus, easier to meditate upon and understand. It is hard to say where you should go to advance, as I don't understand exactly "where you are," so to speak, but I would recommend Plato. He Knew. There are a few others over the course of history who have found bits and pieces of the puzzle, but most, if not all, lack the whole story. There are two allegories. The first one is simple enough, the Fool to Hero journey; this is your journey, too. It is in every Book. The other allegory is about the Light, which is IN you, and how to Become it, because It Is. "God" is the first wave in the Fractal. You are the fractal, everything is the fractal. Mandelbrot had a piece, Schopenhauer had a piece, Newton had a piece. Read alchemy and then read the Bible. You will be surprised at what you see. The SUN was worshipped for a reason; not because they were "primitive." Biophotons. Look up how to amplify and create waves of various frequencies; look at the headdresses of the ancient Egyptians. What are you reading now?

Practice, too. "The Mystery of Faith." Ask and ye shall LITERALLY receive, but the message is not in words. The Universe speaks in Archetypes.

>>18650948
>Before that everybody was just hunters and gatherers, with no need for written language, or a reason to invent one.

I think the point is that we don't actually know this is the case, we just assume it is because it fits the narrative that we've established.

>>18651046
>frequencies of your vertebrae.
what does that even mean you retard

>>18651070
The sand particle is just a piece of it. That is pleb science - the REAL harmonic science is about literally KNOWING the frequencies of the PLANETS and the various things on them, and using PLATONIC FORMS to create wave patterns that work with the existing waves (in all things), either by harmonizing with them, being their exact opposite, things like that, and cultivating crystals (and other sorts of conductive materials in particular lattices for this purpose. You are a shit poster? But why? Yes, you can move rocks with wood, but you can also move them with WAVES. Magnets.

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>>18651118
Each of your vertebrae is "vibrating" at a particular frequency. Everything on Earth and in space is vibrating at a particular frequency, including each bone in your body. We can heal with sound, but if you do not know which frequencies things vibrate at, it is nearly impossible to correctly "tune" them. Your feelings are electric. Your thoughts are magnetic.

>>18646490
sure you do nigger, what's the most difficult highball you've sent?

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>>18651103
Very glad you mention Mandelbrot as it is what got me into all of it "as above so below".

Right now I was reading the first few chapters of the fringe books. What Plato in particular should I read? What should I practice? Especially regarding waves. What crystals should I look into/own?

>>18651053

If I ever had the resources/courage/opportunity to do it, how would I come in contact?

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>>18651156
Don't worry about collecting crystals first. Mandelbrot knew about the fractal. As above so below, indeed. Plato's Timaeus is a great start. What IS the soul? It IS a thing indeed, and it is eternal. The Tao Te Ching is a good one, it says what it is. The thing with philosophy is that it ends with Metaphysics because you NEED a long intro to even wrap your head around it. Plato's forms and what you can find about Pythagoras show us the Shape of Things. I am glad you started with Mandebrot. If you keep the fractal in mind, things will become clear. It really is As Above, So Below because that is the nature of Waves. They Ripple to and from each other. You are a Universe and everything is You. There is a micro universe and a macro universe, but they are one. Two but not two. It is difficult to say in words, because it is the literal Form of Beauty. Just know that Virtue, Truth, Beauty and all other archetypes are REAL FORMS. Real WAVE PATTERNS. As above, so below. The world is your WILL and PERCEPTION. You have optic cells in your "third eye." CHRIST CONCIOUSNESS, or KRSHNA Conciousness is a real State of Mind, State of Mine. Meditate, clear your mind. Look at the trees, and the pattern of your neural cells. That is the pattern of everything. The swastika is one pattern to express it. Over history there have been many human attempts to draw it, but because it IS and is always BECOMING, it is hard to be clear about it in human ways. Look for the pattern. Most things being promoted as "stories" are true. The GREEK GODS are the literal Planets; when the Iliad begins, they are "in Ethiopia," but as we relate to them as humans, we think they are literally on this planet in Ethiopia. Really, it is telling of a movement of the heavens. Practice reading the heavens. Can you look at the stars and know which ones lights are reaching you the "strongest?" The FORMS are here interacting with you every minute.

>>18651074
I am uncertain but I wouldn't waste my time concerned with the shape of the Earth. The planets that we see from our telescopes (go to an observatory) appear to be globes. There are many,
many psyops to divide and conquer. To keep you asking questions of others instead of asking them of yourself. What if I told you that you could BECOME a planet? Would it matter if it were flat or round?

Focus your energy on other things.

>>18651199
https://niltalk.com/r/ljRev

Get in here I'll give you my mail.

>>18651264
i don't have a login?

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>>18651206
Thank you, this conversation has helped me more than probably any other that I have had on here.

I will look towards the planets. I am starting to meditate. I am off to sleep now.

Clearly I cannot offer you valuable info in return, however if you have the time, could you mention some other lessons as I am making a map of sorts to help me organize my mind with regards to all of this. What should I know regarding meditation? The smokey forms that come of hands (ignore this if doesn't ring a bell or sounds retarded to you)? About phosphorous? Masons? Hermeticism? Saturn? The third eye? Drugs? Leary's/Wilsons 8 circuits (especially interested in the higher ones)? Etherial planes and the divisions of material/energetic planes? Mental planes? The soul? Akashic records? Roerich and the chintamani stone? King solomon? And any other topic related to this conversation. (Waves/light/vibration)

Look and you will find I guess.

>>18651264
>https://niltalk.com/r/ljRev
Room not found

>>18651287
https://niltalk.com/r/J6eio

Pass; viracocha.

Sorry they are really short.

>>18645012
You are talking a lot of shit considering how long they've withstood the test of time. Detroit couldn't even last a century before becoming a dilapidated hellhole.
You really just sound like a douche bag, desu.

That went ok.

We are going to antartica.

Coral Castle was one man who knew and could apply the ancient techniques.
He disassembled and assembled hundreds of tons of stone in a day single handedly.
The knowledge still exists to this day, however it is secret.

has anyone posted wally wallington yet?
apparently he discovered how to move large stones without heavy machinery.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYQBDhkBfr0

>>18645045
>ancient aliens
No need for ancient aliens, just more ancient humans.

>>18650435
This. Malthusian cycles are a thing. There have been several "dark ages" in which populations and intellectual acheivements declined, whether due to disease, war, natural disasters, etc. Humanity fluctuates. We don't progress linearly.

>>18650906
>No written language. No cities. No ways to gather knowledge and improve upon it.
Written language isn't the sole basis upon which intellectual discoveries are preserved and improved upon. Humans existed on oral tradition for hundreds of thousands of years. Passing down information isn't limited to physically putting it down somewhere

>>18651449
He never listed those things 7 feet of the ground.

Anyone can wiggle a rock a little, building a pyramid takes a little more effort.

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>>18651543
Exactly.

>>18651561
I'm pretty sure a larger group of people would be able to do more extravagant things. much more believable than space daddy coming down and blessing us with stone structures.

>>18644997
>fuck outta my thread
nigger

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>>18651629
For the 99 time.

No one thinks it was aliens, you CIA mind controlled drone.

>>18652033
sorry, wizard daddies. better?

>>18645012
>They're exactly what you'd expect if primitive people had built them.

lol no

For anyone who doesn't want to be an ignoramus like the person I replied to, get into Christopher Dunn's research about Ancient Egypt, and see for yourself the extremely precise measurements that they were capable of back then. They were anything but primitive.

>>18644982
Ancient humans weren't as stupid as we like to think they were. Add in the desire to build insane shit with no qualms about using slave labor and you can build some crazy shit

>>18649860
No it wasn't, it was isolated and the people stopped trade with nearby islands after cutting down all the trees that could make canoes

>>18647487
Incoming!

>You'd be surprised of what humans can accomplish when they're not a hundred generations down on intentional poisoning from religion, fluoride, mercury, aluminum, social media, vaccines, pesticides,synthetic hormones, CO2, petrol, ect...

>>18644982
>Constantly, there are mathematical numbers scattered inside and outside of the pyramid in Giza
>Constantly, there are mathematical numbers scattered
>there are mathematical numbers
>mathematical numbers

...as opposed to what...?

>>18650711
Posts like this make me hate humanity.

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>>18650952
But Anon, the magic was within you all along.

>>18652777
who is that girl?

>>18652783
No bullshit, I wish I knew.

>>18647187
>thousands of people pulled rope on rocks tinfags BTFO!

It's scientificlly proven 50 men couldn't lift a 2 ton rock and place it with ease.

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>>18648002

The idea of continental depression suggests that during the last ice age the sea levels were drastically lower due to 1-2 miles of ice sitting on continent (perhaps 400 feet lower!); and that portions of the ocean bed were driven upward in a "sea-saw" (heh) like effect from all the extra weight of the continental crustal plates onto the liquid mantle.

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>>18652783
That's some YouTube/Instagram/Twitter chick who calls herself Pipuko. The "I showed you my dick" thing was shopped on by some tumblr feminist for unknown reasons.

>>18652799
>It's scientificlly proven 50 men couldn't lift a 2 ton rock and place it with ease

I'm going to need a citation for that study.

>>18652799
>>18652847
Actually, don't even bother. An average, fit, adult male can lift around 85 kilos, meaning that it would take twenty or so men to move and manoeuvre a two ton stone block by hand. Make it 30 just to be safe, and you're still well below your threshold for impossibility.

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>>18646602
>>18646586
>>18646556
>>18646496

The question really is:

1. Why go to all the effort to cut, quarry, move, and stack a number of absolutely colossal stones if you can build the same structure, or something similar, with less effort/logistical difficulties by using smaller stones.

2. If the ancients had a way of moving stones that huge with substantially less effort than what we think, why was such valuable knowledge limited to a select few? Afterall we're talking about a trick used to move rocks here..... Unless there was something more to it that made the knowledge either difficult to acquire/master or otherwise dangerous. I mean, math/engineering also qualify technically, and it may be that their engineers knew something that we didn't.

Doesn't sound as romantic though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_name

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU84ckD1AcA

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>>18644982
>perfect building
They had to fuck it up a few times before getting it right.

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>>18652869

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heqet

So; do you think there is a way to "Hack it"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzZ9OA8TVRo

>>18645088
Anyone who grew up in Arizona.

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Gotta love how people ignore the road it took ancient civilizations to reach their peak and just focus on their best and/or last achievements. Nevermind the hundreds of lesser stone circles, or the tens of pyramids of lesser quality and size that lead up to the Giza.

Oh but wait, they have it all figured out. Once someone points this out, the usual argument has been "THOSE are actually built by humans! its just humans trying to copy and miserably failing, yeah!"

You know, we reached this far in our understanding of the world by applying a certain rule set. Such as for anything to be taken seriously, it must have a way of allowing itself be disproved. A theory that entirely lies on the unprovable and unverifiable claims can be disregarded as complete and utter bullshit as it is.

Saying our dating system is wrong is bullshit. Saying the pyramids produce some soundwaves we can't yet listen to is bullshit. Saying they were different so that there's no trace of them behind is bullshit. And thus, every single attempt to verify the theory is simply carefully avoided by the theory.

>>18651095
Yes because either everything you were taught in school is 110% true, down to the smallest facts, OR it's ALL bullshit and it was aliums and descendants of angels that built anything of sophistication.

>>18651561
There's no limit as to how high you can lift the slabs with that method. He showed that you only need a modest amount of what's basically firewood to hold the entire weight of a slab. The slab doesn't get any heavier the higher you rise it. he only limiting factor is your motivation.

>>18651120
>PLATONIC FORMS to create wave patterns
As someone actually familiar with Platonism it's amusing just seeing how schizophrenic and nonsensical shit you're spewing is.

>>18651206
Schizophrenia: the post.

I can only imagine how many philosophers are turning in their graves.

>>18652863
And that's if they're going to literally just carry it without any equipment or technology, kek

>>18651012
Because that's just neckbears in their bedrooms with imaginary friends. They're harmless and they're fringe.

But this shit here, it craps on all of human achievement and legacy. It's being peddled by conmen who make money, and has been featured on the media more than any succubi bullshittery.

>>18652873
>"BUILD IT AGAIN AND DO IT RIGHT THIS TIME, YOU FILTHY FUCKING KIKES!"
t. The Pharaoh

>>18652799
>lift
yeah there is your error

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>>18651404
yes we are

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>>18653120
Being familiar with"Platonism" is about as sophical as you can get. I would love to talk to you more about your knowledge of the Forms if you think I am "crazy," as clearly you think I have much to learn. Perhaps I do, but perhaos we could learn things from one another instead of creating disruption in communication, especially concerning something so important as the history of the human race. I am saying human beings built these things. But surely you can't imagine "we're all alone out there," can you?

>>18651301
I am happy to help, I am only learning myself and do not consider myself to truly know anything. Hermeticism is a great start, Ape's library has a lot of interesting material under that tag, actually, and Timothy Leary is on point. He is pretty much correct, as far as I can tell by the models I am working with in my mind, and is worth learning about/speculating around. All the things you noted, you should read about, but do not take any one paper as an "expert," as the idea is strewn about and has been mutilated over the eons. I would read the Masons like Kepler, Newton....a few others, and read with an open mind. Read Plato's account of Atlantis and forgo the inculcated teaching that what he wrote is an allegory for a failing Athens. As for waves, light, and vibration, I have been enjoying Biochemistry texts and the general physics of light. Learn about electro-magnetism. I have no books that say clearly "this is how the waves work in you," because that is the lost knowledge, essentially. But the conditioning is breaking and people are waking up. Just remember, you make the reality you perceive, so if you want the answers, you must set up yourself to See them. Reading about the third eye is great and necessary. I am certain a higher circuit of the 8 Conciousness is triggered by this thing...phosphorus is the originl name of what was later translated in the 8th c. AD to "Lucifer," the "light bringer."

>>18653149
Right? That's not even considering effort saved by using a few simple machines. Don't get me wrong- I'd love it if there was any credible evidence that ancient engineering was a devine gift from the ayyys of legend, but I'm just not seeing that here. All I see is ignorance of the true potential of a bunch of dedicated motherfuckers with shovels.

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>>18653120
Also, I must add - it is not that the pyramids produce waves that we can not see. It is that they have a perfectly tuned resonant frequency; they are "tuned." The WAVES of the pyramids people are talking about, if they were at all and you are not just an angry shit poster, are resonant sound waves. Why is this bullshit? And when we know that the pyramids used to be covered with other, shining materials, and then consider harmonics and electro magnetism along with conductive materials, how can you not wonder if there is more to the story? It is really that out of the ordinary to think that maybe the technology that we discovered in the early 1900s was discovered before us?

>>18645061

>desu
no.

>>18645012
>saw marks
Well, genius you just admitted that you don't know what the f*** you're talking about. The pyramid was supposedly built without any saws.

>mortar
You're going to need to provide a citation for there being mortar used at the Great Pyramid of Giza.

>>18646450
Egyptologist claim that the Great Pyramid was built in 20 years do some research idiot

>>18646513
only an idiot makes claims without research.

you sounding like an idiot and me assuming you are an idiot because i expect a post like yours to come from an idiot is the only pareidolia here

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China IL has some interesting shit to say about all of these ancient aliens shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwSFOURIs0U

>>18644994
>>18645004
>>18645080
>>18647794

>Yakub the scientist

WE CREATED WHITEY

>>18646616
>autismo maximo, the post

>>18646930
god you are supremely stupid.

ancient sumer is credited with many firsts, including agriculture and animal husbandry, and was about six thousand years ago, not hundreds of thousands of years ago.

have you ever read a single history book, or donyou talk out of your ass for everything?

>>18653271
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_pyramid_construction_techniques
Different anon. A quick Google search brought back an ass-load of articles concerning the use of mortar to build the pyramids. Control+f "mortar" in the wikipedia article behind the supplied link to check for yourself. I'd also recommend reading the rest of the article.

>>18646668
>no records of any chinese civilization excavating 1000000 m^3 of stone
To be fair, China's written history has some fairly large holes in it, courtesy of the cultural revolution.

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>>18653120
But our dating system, it's wrong.

Starting with the Gregorian calendar, we have serious problems in the dating of ruins and documents.

Paleomagnetic dating, it's reveling many interesting things about megaliths construction and date.

Including the fact that the stones are artificially made.

I think we simple ignore when things happened and in what order, making human timeline a big fat lie.

>>18651114
but it's not a narrative. it's testable and repeatable. look at the bonobo chimp, fully capable of understanding language, even able to manipulate it. as a distant and more primitive cousin of humans they are the best example of why we wouldn't have had language for such an immense period of time.

>>18653410
Didn't have time to read it twice, but text suggests that ancient pyramids were made with a more sophisticated tech. Perhaps Egyptians built over the ruins of an older civ. There are Megalithic ruins made of Granite on Northern Egypt, and some structured show an erosion provoked by rain, not sand. You can study the pattern yourself. The pyramids may be as old as 11000 years. Not so unlikely. With enough resources, humans could settle down without agriculture and instead of popping out of nowhere it would gradually progress. Kind of like steam machines eventually revolutionized industry.

>>18653473
>text suggests that ancient pyramids were made with a more sophisticated tech.


What text? Ancient Aleum: the book? There's no evidence they were made with sophisticated text.

>There are Megalithic ruins made of Granite on Northern Egypt

They're made of limestone. There's a small amount of granite here and there. You can't say your house is built of granite if you've got granite counter tops in the kitchen.

>erosion provoked by rain, not sand

There's one guy who claims the weathering on the sphinx, and nowhere else, is caused by rain, not sand, but his claims are dubious, and not well respected by the Egyptology community. Not because his claims are different and radical, but because he's got little evidence.

>the pyramids may be as old as 11000 years

lol, no.

>Humans can civilize without agriculture

Nope. First and foremost you need food. Hunting and gathering is never rich enough, and there's no way to store it if it were. You need a continualy, reliable source of large amounts of food. In the same place, acquired easily by a small proportion of your population. Agriculture.

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>>18653271
>the pyramid was supposedly built without any saws

Maybe according to the crackpot aleums theories and the poured concrete theories. But according to the accepted scientific theory, they absolutely used saws.

And here's some of the saw marks.

>>18653473
There is nothing in your post that has anything at all to do with the referenced wiki article. You are literally fabricating bullshit to support your own agenda. I can't believe I wasted any time on you at all.

>>18653525
Here's some more. I think this is called kerfing, where you make several saw cuts close together and parallel, then knock out the sawed material with a hammer before cleaning it up with a chisel.

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>>18653575
Forgot pic.

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>>18653577
Remains of a copper wood saw, posted as proof that the ancient world did, in fact, have saw technology.

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>>18653583
Heavy primitive slabbing saw.

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>>18653587
Light primitive slabbing bow saw.

>>18653315
Yeah, you're right, before Sumer humans didn't practice agriculture or animal husbandry at all. Ancient Sumerians just popped all that knowledge out of their asses with no preceding knowledge acquired.

>what is the neolithic revolution

We were hunter-gatherers for hundreds of thousands of years, yeah, but over that time we slowly began these practices. To say that they simply didn't exist before "civilization" as we know it is fucking stupid. Sumer made great strides and firsts but what the fuck do you think they were based upon?

>>18653590
>>18653587
>>18653583
>>18653577
this. this is some good shit right here. thank you for this anon

>>18653468
just look at the chimp... Stopped reading

>>18653763
why? it's relevant. not just chimp, bonobo chimp. go look them up.

>>18647150
But here we are talking about astrology. So numerology it is.

>>18653770
I don't really believe in the

>we wuz monkeys n shiet

>>18646474
>we couldn't replicate today.
If that appears in a statement about archaeology, the whole thing is made up. Always.

>>18653801
Everything you say now has no value

>>18653801
Well the nice thing about science, it's true whether you believe it or not.

>>18653805
It has before?

>>18653809
Actually that's not how it works, that just positivism.

>>18653590
>>18653587
>>18653583
Cool stuff, I would like to know what tools they used in the chinese caves tough.

>>18653817
You had ground to stand on since the main topic at hand is shrouded with mystery and is a debated topic. Denying evolution is simply as delusional as you can get.

>>18645034
>be ayyy
>visit primitive earth
>use advanced ayy technology to stack up rocks dead good

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>>18653817
>chinese caves

The above saws would have been used to make smooth even surfaces (which would have been later polished).

For doing the very rough work of carving large blocks, they'd just use heavy stones as hammers. This left tell-tale markings. The markings in the chinese caves are very similar, so they probably just used stone hammers.

>>18653832
>shrouded in mystery

Not really

>debated topic

Not really

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>>18653809
this is what /x/ has become

>>18653832
>denying evolution is as delusional as you can get

What the fuck since when? Evolution is just one of many theories

>>18653890
Since the 1850s.

>>18653895
lurk more

>>18653895
And? Evolution exists on the micro scale but macro points to genetically modified apes. God made us in its image and such.

>>18653546
The article talked about the building techniques changing from more sophisticated to less, perhaps cheaper.
So it is possible that they were forced to change them for X reasons and eventually lost their knowledge about it. It is not a particular case, as some techniques for building and forging from other ancient civilizations have been lost in the past. For example, the pieces for the chariots in the Qin dynasty are impossible for us to reproduce without modern tech.

I'm by no means an expert and I'm not a hurrdurr aliens tinfoil looking for Atlantis. I'm putting what I "know" out there and contrasting it with other people's content. Some previous posters proved some of my claims wrong, and so I learned about it, but, as little as it may be, let's not ignore the evidence we have that we may not have all the pieces of the puzzle.

>>18653912
>For example, the pieces for the chariots in the Qin dynasty are impossible for us to reproduce without modern tech.


Where the fuck are you getting this dumb idea?

>>18653916
Some study about Chinese ancient crafting techniques and the restoration and reproduction of tools, pieces and instruments. Will post it if I find it.

>>18653801
we weren't monkey. we ARE primates though. more accurately: great apes.