Occultism & Magick: Library Update 44

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>>18597351
W-where were you last thread where I needed you ;_;?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n3TrvhsrYs

Highest praise unto THAT which surpasses all praising.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ_m7tgPcf4

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>>18597455

Hail Eris! Praise the primordial Chaos that sentient beings vainly divide into order and disorder. May all your days be touched by her divine comedy.

Remember: There's only one cure for the curse of Greyface.

Lighten up and live a little. Even if it's scary.

Especially if it's scary. Do you admire people for overcoming easy things? Do what's scary until you're your own fucking hero. And do it with a smile on your face.

In the words of Johnny Rotten, "I think it's a sin to be boring." There are worse sins, sure. But there are better ones. So why not do the better ones?

It has been said, "fuck 'em if they can't take a joke." But I think that's unkind. Teach them that jokes can be beautiful and meaningful. Then give them jokes and they'll take 'em gladly.

Then fuck 'em, but only if they're into it.

Hail Eris. She's the best cab driver you'll ever have.

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>>18597561
Your edgy religion is fucking stupid.

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>>18597594
Hail Eris!
>>18597600
>entire message is basically "enjoy life, learn to laugh, be nice to people"
>"oww i cut myself on that edge lol"
Dude you got that greyface bad. Might wanna see a doctor.

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>>18597608
>mfw

A lot of modern pagans have those little altars in their houses. This seems pretty inaccurate to history, since in most places the deities they worship were worshiped by entire societies and thus there were temples or some other public place of worship. At the same time, it also seems like private worship is a necessity since most don't have a major community that worships those same deities in their proximity.

Still, this means innovating something entirely new. So how do you make the contents of a home altar or place of worship meaningful?

>>18597600
The opposite of edgy is dull.

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>>18597674
>So how do you make the contents of a home altar or place of worship meaningful?
Lots of human bone.

>>18597688
So my chair is an altar since I sit in it with my bony ass?

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>>18597705
Bwhahahaha.
Sorry.
That was just funny to me.

>>18597674
Why the hell wouldnt it be meaningful?
Youre making it yourself, with shit you like that represents your thoughts on diety, life, the universe, and everything else.
How the fuck is that not meaningful.
If you have to ask how to make it meaningful then you may not be doing it right.
Stop asking us, and start asking YOURSELF.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rLIE2OMumaI

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mZfBWJVHUgg

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oPPFIfeulZk

While we're kind of on the subject, is discordianism the only religion that is neither RHP nor LHP?

It has the antinomianism of a LHP (in that generally people don't like when you treat religion like a joke, and in that a LOT of people get uncomfortable when you say you worship a goddess of chaos), but not the elitism generally associated with them. Everybody's a pope, remember.

Does it have some third path all of its own, to neither become an all-powerful deity nor merge with one, but instead do something else entirely?

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>>18598543
Elitism is a flaw of the practitioner, not necessarily the belief system.
Its the result of Ego, and the human psyche.
Were prone to cliqueish tribal behavior.

There are other anti dual belief systems.
Mostly folkish in nature, but not Wiccan.
I still consider Wicca dualist because of that whole Cernunos/Aradia thing.
They like to make a big thing of polarities.

I really dont want to be dualist, or elitist.
I have walls and barriers around me.
If I get you first, you wont get me.
Then, hopefully, I wont get hurt again.
I just want you to look within yourself for the answers.
Maybe if I push you harder youll see that its within you that you can find most of the answers.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GTQAXX08A-s

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1-LxmdxHEFg

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kaFygeknae8

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GwkcmpPs8XQ

Where is a good place to meet single occultists, without resorting to new agey or goth communities? Asking for a friend.

>>18597674
>This seems pretty inaccurate to history
[citation needed]
Seriously though, why? Why does this seem inaccurate to history? Even in the modern day, under a primarily abrahamic paradigm, there are public places of worship, and people set up complicated places of worship in their home to the same Abrahamic deities. In my estimation, that makes it not only likely that this was practiced by other societies as well, but it makes it almost guaranteed.
As for making the contents meaningful, that's really up to the individual practitioner just as it is in modern day.

>>18598543
>is discordianism the only religion that is neither RHP nor LHP?
Not even close. Many many religious beliefs do not contain or even specifically eschew the vision of duality and left and right handed practices.

What's your opinion on recreactional drinking in relation to meditative practices? Can a couple of glasses of wine over the weekend throw your energies out of whack so your sitting excercises will be pretty much useless?

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>>18598566
Same places you see anyone else.
Supermarket
Pharmacy
Hardware Store
Gas Station
Park
Library
Newspaper Stand
Da Club
Dont be scared to say hi to people.
Theres no magick Occultist gathering place.
Were just people, and we do everyday normal people stuff.

>>18598647
If youre prone to depression or other psyche issues, I dont recommend it.
I say as a 3/4 empty Pinot Grigiot sits on my kitchen counter.
It only affects you as much as you let it.
You need to test your limits to know what you are really capable of.
How much do you really know about yourself if youve never been in a fight?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NGZ_XHeUrJc

>>18597334
Should I read Modern Magick? I've had it a while and haven't read all of it. Is it worth reading through and doing the exercises he suggests?

remember when omg was about interesting discussion with reasonable skeptics, lots of people sharing experiences, views and practices and not 2 people endlessly posting yoga shit, shitposting anons and thread being dead?

>>18598719
>isthatamuthafuckingjojoreference.jpg

>>18597674
>This seems pretty inaccurate to history
A home altar is really common in a lot of times and places
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_deity

I've been to a few orthodox or catholic households with little shrines to saints or the virgin as well

>>18598963
Remember when /omg/ used to get spammed with loli porn and Team Illuminati shitposting?

This thread is literally the reason I started making the library, to one day host Tantraloka in some form or another.

>>18597459
Interesting, thanks

you have to have known about this right?
"The hexagram appears in Islamic monuments of North India. Its center features a point (bindu) a lotus or a dancing peacock. (Nath 1975-1976:74-75)."
https://archive.org/details/MandalasAndYantrasInTheHinduTraditions

>>18599220
>team illuminati
oh fuck man I forgot about that shit
good times

>>18599193
do you know where i can find info about
samadhi pada, sadahana pada, vibhuti pada and
kaivalya pada, i cant find coherent info about this stuff

>>18599285
i mean not only you, if anyone know i will thank him for life , my sister is doing an essay about this stuff but most of the indo european knowledge is very confusing for the average yoga poser and i dont know a damm about this, so if you guys know where i can read about this suff i will thank you for life

>interesting disccusions with reasonable skeptics, lots of people sharing experiences, views and practices and not 2 people endlessly posting yoga shit

this is what im talking about,your average yoga cultist poser cant into real life and have a very poor life perspective and cant make some coherence , talking about light stuff and love and dont know jack shit about anything and they feel superior to any person because mhu yoga and stuff ,they are not different to your average woodstock hippie

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>>18599315
>this is what im talking about,your average yoga cultist poser cant into real life and have a very poor life perspective and cant make some coherence....
>cant make some coherence
>coherence

I know my punctuation and sentence structure sucks......but DAYUM!
Congratulations.

By the way...you do realize your asking for help and then shitting on most of the people that MIGHT help you,, right?

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>>18599220
i forgot that this place is full of faggots and nobody will do anything for anyone ,forget it and keep discussing your pointless stuff and fuck you if you dont like my english,

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>>18598979
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=69E29oEAIj4

>How much do you really know about yourself, if youve never been in a fight?

>>18598963
It can still be that, as yoga poseur as this will sound to you....
Be the change you want to see in the world, maaaaaaan.

>select images with grass
Well played captcha, well played.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/rv10125.htm

>>18599432
I'm beginning to doubt that yoga poser was a clever double entendres

I've been looking for some symbolism to focus on during a seriously formative time in my life? Looking for something very "generative" in the sun/obelisk/sword etc category and suggestions on reading material + practices welcome

>>18600549
Mysteria Magica

Hey, quick question, are there any Japanese occult tutorials or whatever in the Mega? Like how to contact Kami and stuff?

>>18599437
Do you think there are Palero priests in Spain?

>>18599761
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/thunder.html

goddamn, what kind of mastery of Qabalah is expected from the Practicus?
I have basically memorized most of Liber 777 and I have worked extensively with Sepher Sephiroth.

... bump.

>>18601788
The 4th/PI exam is, roughly, what you're required to be able to reproduce on paper.

Precession as an underlying principle in the formulae of the Watchtowers.
Corollary - Precession as an underlying formula in the Watchtower system. We posit that one way of explaining the problem of the various assignment of the Watchtowers, to the directions, is that it represents the shift (due to Sidereal Precession) of astrological ages, and that these assignments demonstrate the movement from one active position, that of Age of Aries (used in traditional Ceremonial Magick and Tropical Astrology) to the next active position, that of Aquarius represented by the New Aeon (in Crowley's terminology), i.e. the Age of Aquarius. This process is played out in various symbolic ways in our consecration and so the underlying logic needs to be explained. In our theory it sets the Watchtowers in proper motion.
First - notice that the Watchtowers themselves (and presumably their elemental values) are arranged in 3 different relationships to the directions, and that they are preceded by the Round Table of Nalvage, which has its own basal and positional values.
Round Tablet of Nalvage - If the basal order of the quadrants of the Round Tablet are assigned to the elemental order ascribed to the JHVH formula: upper left = fire, lower left = water, upper right = air and lower right = earth, then the placement of the Angelic 'choirs' each quadrant rules lays out East = Fire, South = Earth, West = Air and North = Water according to horoscopic reckoning (see our own System of Enochian Magick and A True & Faithful Relation pp. 73-78: Apr. 10, 1584).

>>18602726
This is followed by an order of Reception, used in the Fundamental Obeisance (Sloane MS 3191, G. James pp 119-120 and R. Turner Elizabethan Magic pp. 63-64); which is again followed by a different Orthodox order, given in the Roll Call of the hierarchy of the Watchtowers and used in all the subsequent prayers given in Sloane MS. 3191 (James pp. 121 et passim and Turner 65-80); which is finally (more or less) followed by a Reformed order, represented by the Great Table as Reformed by Raphael (James p. 118 and Turner p. 60) and as used in the Golden Dawn and derived systems. These will be explained in detail following.

We use Nalvage when setting the Tables in proper motion and when calling the 4 Ensigns, otherwise not. Setting the Watchtowers in proper motion is a complicated operation, but in my opinion only necessary rarely. Otherwise I adopt a Reformed position for working and adjust prayers etc. accordingly.

Beginning with the Round Tablet of Nalvage we have a set of values that corresponds to Tropical astrological reckoning, i.e. the Sun rising at dawn, in the East, on the Vernal Equinox; which according to Tropical astrology is Aries, with Capricorn and thus Earth in the South, Libra and thus Air in the West and Cancer and thus Water in the North. This is what one finds in the Lesser Hexagram Ritual because the Golden Dawn is modelling a Macrocosmic perspective, to be united with the Microcosmic perspective of the Lesser Pentagram (whose elements are assigned according the Reformed Great Table and its attribution of elements to directions). Nalvage is also the relationship indicated in right hand diagram of the 12 Tribes (Sloane MS. 3191, James p. 103 and Turner p. 58).

>>18602735
Here then we begin all of our beginnings. We also associate this Round Tablet of Nalvage with the 4 Seals for Platonic reasons probably too complex to go into here (again see my own System of Enochian Magick for some basic explanations), but it may suffice to say that the 4T seal, whose name is Thaoth (Hermes in our Hermetic process) is said in Liber Secundus to represent the name of God and of the Lord and thus almost certainly relates to the Tetragrammaton (the 4 lettered name of God). Thaoth is derived from this letter and is correlated by the angels to the T with 4 flames that stands above the eastern Watchtower (cf. TF&R p. 173, Apr. 10, 1584 with Liber Secundus Mar. 20, 1582 Peterson John Dee’s Five Books of Mystery p. 93).

The next arrangement is that in which the 4 Watchtowers was received (T&FR pp. 175-7 et passim, op cit Apr. 10, 1584) so in consecrating our Watchtowers we place them in this order, which is the Order given in the Fundamental Obeisance (Sl. 3191, James p. 120, Turner p. 62-64). The Order in which they were received is Air, Earth, Fire and Water and are so given in the Fundamental Obeisance, they are placed clockwise in this order in the arrangement of the 12 Banners in the Great Circle of the Quarters (Sl. 3191, James p. 119, and Turner p. 63) . Note that from the first iteration of elements to the directions (the Round Tablet of Nalvage: East = Fire, South = Earth, West = Air & North = Water) to the Fundamental/Received Order (East = Air, South = Earth, West = Fire & North = Water) one shift of attributions has occurred. Fire and Air have switched places, by the placement of the Air Watchtower in the East (whose 3 Godnames proceeding from the line of the Holy Spirit are Oro Ibah Aozpi).

>>18602742
The third arrangement then is that represented on the Roll Call of the principle hierarchies of the Watchtowers (Sl. 3191, James pp. 121-5 et passim and Turner pp. 65 et passim): This arrangement is: East = Air, South = Earth, West = Water & North = Fire. This is the set of values in left hand diagram of the 12 Tribes, and demonstrates rather soundly that Elemental Attributions are what they are; for if one has doubts regarding the actual attributions of the elements to the Tables (that is in Dee’s notation that the ‘r’ Table, ‘Oro Ibah Aozpi’ is Air, the ‘T’ Table, ‘Mph Arsl Gaiol’ is Water, the ‘b’ Table, ‘Mor Dial Hctga’ is Earth, and the ‘d’ Table, ‘Oip Teaa Pdoce’ is Fire then one has to explain away this arrangement of the Tribes according to the Status Perfecti, in which the tribes attributed to the Air signs are in the East, those of the Earth signs in the South, those of the Water signs are in the West and those of the Fire signs are in the East. Given it’s placement in Sloane MS. 3191 it seems to serve no other purpose than to assign value to the Watchtowers. Again there is a single switch and again that switch involves the movement of Fire. Fire has moved from West to North.

I term this arrangement Orthodox to distinguish it from the Fundamental or Received order previously set forth and from the Reformed order which will follow. It is the Order in which all of the subsequent prayers in Sloane 3191 are given, and thus the bulk of the Watchtower materials in both James and Turner.

((I should get on making pdfs of those copies of Sloane MSS 3191, etc.))

>>18602747
The fourth arrangement deemed the Reformed Order after Raphael’s Reformation of the Great Table. Although no explicit correlation is given in the Spirit Actions, it would seem to be based on two presumptions, that of the association of the Elements to the particular Tables previously attributed by virtue of the arrangement of the 12 Tribes in the Status Perfecti, and the colors assigned in Kelly’s Vision of the Watchtowers (T&FR p. 168-171, Jun. 20, 1584). These colors are the colors given to the 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse (in both Zechariah and Revelation) and have traditional astrological associations (see D. Jones, System of Enochian Magick for a detailed demonstration of this).

The Reformed Order is arrived at by moving Fire again, this time from North to South, switching Earth to the North; so that Air is in the East, Fire is in the South, Water is in the West and Earth is in the North. This is the standard arrangement in most modern Ceremonial Magick, derived from the Golden Dawn and ultimately having its roots in Sloane MS. 307 (Skinner & Rankine, Practical). It represents the values used in the Lesser Pentagram Ritual, Wicca, BOTA, Thelema etc.

As stated above, these seeming movements can be explained by an underlying theory that they represent the movement from the Age of Aries to the Age of Aquarius, the age we are now entering. If the theory is, correct then Fire should move again and take up its necessarily opposite position to Air. This would be a switch from South to West with fire completing the circuit in a crosswise fashion. And may explain the apparent error of directions found in the 13th Key as instructional/prophetic/indicative, as rotational assignment would indicate that the 13th Key should refer to the West, where Fire will theoretically move, so that Leo can properly be astrologically opposite Aquarius, not where it is in South.

>>18602752
O you swords of the South which have 42 eyes to stir up the wrath of sin, making men drunken which are empty. Behold the promise of God and his power which is called amongst you a Bitter Sting. Moue and shew your selves: open the Mysteries of your Creation: be friendly unto me: for I am the servant of ye same your God, the true worshiper of the Highest. 13th Key

We don't in practice take the final step to consecrate; we believe more understanding is necessary of the other parts of the system to do this with safety and stability, but it does demonstrate how our theory leads to our conclusions. Fire is the consistent moving factor in all of these switches.

Our operations are driven by astrological and sidereal phenomena. Our Tablets have been charged by the invocation of the Kings and Seniors as well as by the Seals, all of which we believe can be tied directly to the previously mentioned astronomical phenomena.
Summary of the directional correlations:

Nalvage: East=Fire: South=Earth: West=Air: North=Water
Fundamental: East=Air: South=Earth: West=Fire: North=Water
Orthodox: East=Air: South=Earth: West=Water: North=Fire
Reformed: East=Air: South=Fire: West=Water: North=Earth
Aquarian: East=Air: South=Water: West=Fire: North=Earth

>>18602760
This is as we have argued before – is simply a theory, but one that has, if nothing else, the Platonic value of Saving the Appearances. Everyone must somehow ignore or resolve the apparent differences and contradictions that result from the various arrangements given for the Watchtower system and, if one assumes there is a correlation between the Keys and Watchtowers, then correlate the two together (our assumption is that the directions, numbers and ordinal values, given in the Keys themselves, are indicators of their directional and positional values). Our assumptions essentially resolve these difficulties one way or another, whether that indicates any kind of correctness, is a different matter. We merely desire to work within and internally valid structure; one which does away with as many inconsistencies as possible.
These are, for what it is worth, symbolic actions, meant to impress upon and the space we are working in something that is essentially metaphysical. Once the Tablets have been consecrated we then assume Reformed values.
There are also geometric considerations drawn from the 2 dimensional forms, that is the Round Tablet of Nalvage and the Great Tables, representing how the elements shift in the comparative planes and from there project onto the 3 dimensional space, defined by orientation and direction, that we have omitted from this summary, which is principally devoted to how the Tables may be seen to evolve through the 4th dimensionality of time.

>>18602761
I say ‘we’ in many places because I have not come to these conclusions alone but because others forced me to examine my operating procedures and have often worked with me in examining possible solutions to these issues. I also suggest that people examine Donald Tyson’s (Tetragrammaton & Enochian Magic for Beginners, and Scott Stenwick’ Mastering the Great Table, because both have independently identified the apparent underlying inconsistencies, esp. in the Golden Dawn attributions of the Keys to the Watchtowers, though their solutions and conclusions in these matters differ from my own).

“The Elements being far from their accustomed places, the homogeneous parts are dislocated, and this a man learns by experiment, for it is along the straight lines that they return naturally and effectively to these same places. Therefore, it will not be absurd to represent the mystery of the four Elements, in which it is possible to resolve each one into elementary form, by four straight lines running in four contrary directions from one common and indivisible point. Here you will notice particularly that the geometricians teach that a line is produced by the displacement of a point: we give notice that it must be the same here, and for a similar reason, because our elementary lines are produced by a continual cascade of droplets as a flux in the mechanism of our magic.” Hieroglyphic Monad: Theorem VII

Bump for a solution to the Watchtowers.

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>>18598719

Stop promoting rape culture!

>>18597334
What's the deal with apparently cursed mantras? Is this a valid concern in praxis?

I would appreciate it if someone could look at some parts of liber lxv I am thinking about and tell me if my interpretations are valid.

>I.28 My head is jewelled with twelve stars...
12 = 11 Sephirot + 1 unity (the tree as a whole) = 10 Sephirot + 2 states of Da'at

>I.41-49
The scribe asks to sail down the river of Amrit (= being immortal), and it is granted to him. He wants to go even further, so Adonai reveals to him how to do it. I.45= Master all things beneath Atziluth. I.46 'Then -- yield!' = ego death. I.47-48 = parable about failure of abyss crossing. I.49 = scribe realizes he is not prepared to go further

>I.54-55
Hawk ~= kite = Isis. Asar = Osiris. "That my Work may be right." + I.9-10 = the middle pillar is the only way to reach keter

>II.4
darkly-splended abodes + Mysteries Adverse = Qlippothic initation

>II.5
Snake = 19 = Teth = Serpent = Strength
Goat = 26 = Ayin = Eye = The Devil
infernal = in fire
shame of Khem = alchemy
V.V.V.V.V. then learned alchemy, which is the careful(=restrained = the devil application) of fire (=strength = infernal).

If one could go further, and explain their interpretation of grapes and wine, which are recurrent in the book, that would be much appreciated

Question to any who is willing to answer.

Would the following be a fine recipe for Ketoret?

Myrrh (mixed in equal parts with benzoin gum)
Galbanum
Labdanum
Frankincense

Question.
What occult can I study that is primarily for those who believe in the Abrahamic God?
Or more specifically, Jesus as his avatar?
Were there Catholic or Orthodox occultists that considered themselves to be doing God's work?
Thank you.

>>18603035
>2 states of Da'at
where did you find that Da'at has 2 states?

>>18603035
>12 = 11 Sephirot + 1 unity (the tree as a whole) = 10 Sephirot + 2 states of Da'at
More like the cores of the Zodiac, but this isn't mutually exclusive.

>The scribe asks to sail down the river of Amrit (= being immortal)
No, Amrit is a physical and actual substance. See: Ararita; Elaborations on the Star Sapphire, further, see Amrita.

>Hawk
Horus, mate.

>I.9-10 = the middle pillar is the only way to reach keter
Yes.

>darkly-splended abodes + Mysteries Adverse = Qlippothic initation
No. Iesod. Klipot are not "things" to be venerated, they are the accumulated weight of obscuring habit.

>>II.5
More or less spot on.

>>18603035
>If one could go further, and explain their interpretation of grapes and wine, which are recurrent in the book, that would be much appreciated
See Liber 7.
Read it backwards.
Also, look into the second half of the Elusinean mysteries, which are tied to Dionysus and Pan.

>>18603051
No. Exodus or bust. Or just use Oud Oil like the Muslims.

>>18603077
Rosicrucianism.

>>18603280

Thank you for your response! I will look into the references you have given. For now, I would like to offer more explanation about the interpretation I gave. Perhaps you can prevent future errors by another response.

>Zodiac
Shit, I forgot

>No, Amrit is a physical and actual substance.
I was aware of this, and took amrit=ambrosia=that sustenance which makes one immortal ~= outward/profane purpose of chemist's magnum opus = mastery of nature (nature = non-supernal worlds). Past this, is the interpretation of I.45-49 flawed?

>Hawk
>Horus, mate.
I took Hawk = kite instead of Hawk = falcon, since I figured black and white = Boaz and Jachin. Phallus of Asar, I took to be masculine, so I was looking for feminine interpretation of 'head of the hawk.' This is also why I ignored Hawk = 1 = Ptah. I think that Horus is embodied in the 'their [the black and the white] equivalence'
How do you arrive at Horus = Head of the Hawk = the black?

>No. Iesod. Klipot are not "things" to be venerated, they are the accumulated weight of obscuring habit.
My interpretation here was based on how I took liber tzaddi vel hamus hermeticus 36-37, with 36 = HGA in tiphareth, and 37= "HGA" in Thagirion. I feel like this is consistent with 'as above so below' -- the qlippoth and tunnels need to be navigable and experience-able in the same way the upright tree is.
To apply your given interpretation here, to see if I understand, you would have 36 = tiphareth = solar, and 37 = yesod = lunar?

thank you again

>>18603169
The supernal part and the other part

Not sure if this is the right place to ask. Basically one of my friends summoned Malphas in our mumble server even though we told him not to. He made a room with a sigil as its picture and then he told us we can't delete it.

Then a couple days later Malphas connected to the server and he's been hanging out in the room for about 2 days now. None of us have gone in there to talk to him, however another friend's dad who comes to the server to play video games sometimes connected to Malphas's room and they've been in there for 10 minutes now. None of us want to go see what's going on.

What do we do? He's making people uncomfortable and if he doesn't leave we're going to have to make a new server.

>>18603494
>Past this, is the interpretation of I.45-49 flawed?
Not particularly.

>Horus = Head of the Hawk = the black?
This gets into obscure [secrets]. Horus and Set are brothers, and in some cases, One.

>Thagirion
No.
If you're truly seeking Klipot, you must start in Iesod.
>Me, I have made a secret door,
>into the house of Ra and Tum,
>of ***Kephra*** and of Ahathoor

>and 37 = yesod = lunar?
In this particular context, yes.
This is in line with Matrikabheda Tantra as well as Hekhalot Rabbati.

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I think I'm mentally ill

>>18603528
>Matrikabheda Tantra as well as Hekhalot Rabbati.

I will add these to the reading list, and I will return to Grant's Nightside of Eden. We will see if I can arrive in agreement with you.

Thank you greatly.

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>>18601169
Why not?
I dont see why there couldnt be.
As long as theres an interest, I dont see why there couldnt be a few.
Theres a story of an elderly Jewish woman who went to Nigeria to be initiated in the mysteries of Oya.
So, if you have the money travel for training isnt an issue if you cant find someone local.

>>18603292
>Oud Oil
>Flipping pages
>confused expression
Soooo moldy trees?
Whats this stuff smell like?
I like Amber, Patchouli, Frankincense, Poppy, Green Moghra, Sandalwood - is it anywhere in that neighborhood?
Im just listing those to see if you can tell me if Agarwood smells like any of those reference points.
I see mold and instantly think dusty stank and gross.

>>18603627
>and I will return to Grant's Nightside of Eden
An important, but not the best, source on Klipot.
You should read The Blazing Dew of Stars by David Chaim Smith, in the Kabbalah section of my library.

>>18603494
>>Zodiac
>Shit, I forgot
don't forget a special someone with a crown of 12 stars in revelation

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>>18597334
>>18597334

Congratulations on finally having tantraloka up in the library!

I went through the book and noticed three things:

-chapter 37, pg.102 is missing. (942 in reader)
-chapter 29, a double page of pg.120 (833)
-There are some gaps between each chapter, but I am not sure if they are just missing blank pages.You might want to double check that.

There's nothing cut off and everything's legible.

For chapters 2-4, the missing pages are still there. Maybe you should consider scanning chapters 1-4, even if it's inferior. It depends on how you feel, really.

Thank-you.

>>18602299
damn son, I guess I will be stuck being a Practicus for eternity.

A friendly bump, I'm excited to read more.

>>18604323

>>18597409
To what is referred exactly THAT and IT concepts in Book of Lies?

>>18605253
Thanks bud.

>>18604031
>-chapter 37, pg.102 is missing. (942 in reader)
MotherFUCK goddamnit.
Alright.
1/1000 is still decent work tho.

All other "missing" pages are blank pages.

4th Degree examination is in:
>A.'.A.'.>Thelema>OTO>1-Man of Earth Degrees>4th Examination

>>18605430
>IT
Tifaret. All with identity.

>THAT
Binah and beyond. All without identity.

>>18605431
>4th Degree examination is in:>A.'.A.'.>Thelema>OTO>1-Man of Earth Degrees>4th Examination
for
>>18604236

https://hermetic.com/cyclonopedia/lovecraft-cyclonopedia-and-materialist-horror

Can anyone recommend writings on the merging of occult ideologies with today's technological equipment?

>>18605442
Is that paper really an examination suitable for an Practicus of the A.'.A.'.?
I mean that you could probably do it blindfolded and at the grade of a mere Neophyte.

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>tfw too intelligent to invoke dragon ball characters and Lovecraft deities

>>18605434
Thanks. If I understand well, THAT is based on the Sanskrit term "TAT", which means something like "The Existing", as appears in chapter 86 of Book of Lies. That Sanskrit term is really the source for THAT? What about IT?

>>18605431
Seriously? Ridiculous examination for a Practicus.

>>18605431
>MotherFUCK goddamnit.
Alright.
1/1000 is still decent work tho.

Yep, it's perfectly OK. One page isn't hard to fix.

>All other "missing" pages are blank pages.

OK, good!

I just wanted to make sure that everything's good before I read through it.

>>A.'.A.'.>Thelema>OTO>1-Man of Earth Degrees>4th Examination

Wow, this is depressing. Anyone can study 777 for a few hours and pass this test. lol. Probably not the real test (I hope).

Hey Ape, I believe last thread you posted a link to some Enochian stuff.
You may want to check out some of the links in this thread if you haven't already.

>>18602086

>>18603641
How can I find a trustworthy palero? I am reading Carlos Gandiano's book, and I want to meet some priest to find if I can become a palero myself. Just asking for advice.

>>18597334
Thelema in a nutshell
>takes a bunch of grimores
>puts them in a blender
>cums in it for good measure
>"Hey everybody I made a new system of magic!"

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>>18606445
I'd like to know too.

Do legitimate Paleros sell their services online? What do you think about this guy PaloChan
http://www.papacrocsmagicshop.com/collections/palo-mayombe

>>18605772
I invoke anime characters on weekly basis.

Guys, how do I shadow work? I want to catch and bind stray things down on the unconscious.

I'd like both personal techniques or any library recommendation.

>>18606613
low quality bait, mate.

bump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fmj3wzg4Ag

What's your opnion on this guy's presentation about "Triune human beings".

Also what is he referrening to as 3/6/9 in relation to Masonry?

http://www.nalandainstitute.org/pages/r-translated.html
http://www.nalandainstitute.org/pages/r-visualizations.html

>>18608535
not anything I know anything about but probably start with Jung for theoretical underpinnings, keep a journal, and try to be honest with yourself?

>>18608763
it's not that the bait went unbitten because it was weak, it's that the bait struck home and the thelemites realized that they're the normies of the magick world.
>normies get out of my esoterica reeee

>>18597334
Ape do you happen to know if there are translated editions of the Sādhanamālā or something similar?

Sorry to use you as my personal Google, but this is the sort of thing only very knowledgeable people would know about. I couldn't find anything.

Thank you.

>>18609509
>These visualization and recitation scripts were composed by Dr. Joe Loizzo based on performance scripts (sadhanas)
>Sadhanas

Holy shit. Synchronicities never cease to blow my mind. This is the sort of thing I was looking for. I guess I should've read the thread before asking.

For the record I haven't been following it at all. I wanted to know about these visualization techniques because they are mentioned in The Holographic Universe, which I'm reading.

Thanks for the assist, higher self.

Just a friendly bump.

Great job Ape,really appreciate it

Does anyone have books by Gemma Gary?

Particularly Traditional Witchcraft, or The Black Toad?

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>>18597561
HAIL ERIS BRETHREN/SISTREN/ENTITYREN

55555
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>>18597600
brooo
where does your fist go when you open your hand?
why is it that an object at rest cannot be stopped?


against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain. in fact, by attempting to muddy the water, you are actually serving eris just as you callously slander our poor goddess.

>>18598543
discordianism can be put into much the same category as Daoism, in that it does not make the distinction between RHP or LHP
you'll find at high "levels", there really isn't much difference between the two
all roads lead to 1

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>>18597561
It's easy to not believe in magic and the occult and all such boring old superstition. What's not easy is getting eris to go away once you know her.

>>18612163
But can you believe it's not butter?

>>18612182
All things are butter. All things are not butter.

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>>18612182
Also you should know that this guy
>>18605772
has never invoked doctor who and is missing out on a lot of fun.

So people tell me baneful magic, curses etc work. However, people like Donald Trump probably get cursed like twice a day, but they don't seem affected. Why is this?

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>>18612236
Why not ask the people who tell you that? Or are you worried they'll curse you?

>>18610984
Hey Palo, maybe you didn't noticed this:

>>18606445
>>18606952

>>18612236
people who disagree with trump are probably armchair occultists who have no idea about what they are doing, so their curses obviously don't work

>>18612182
Underrated post

>>18612236
the attention given to public figures by their fans tends to keep them alright so long as they are in the limelight
watch what happens to those that fall out of it

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>>18597334
Tell me now honest to god:

Do love spells fucking work?

I think of casting one to a girl, but don't know which one to use.

Preferably something that really works, I don't care about side effects. Hit me.

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>>18597334
How is your Dharma practice going?

More detailed Vajrayogini guru-yoga instructions:

Imagine above your head is a jeweled throne supported by 8 snow lions covered by divine fine fabrics.
Ontop of the throne on a lotus-moon seat is the combined essence of all the Buddhas of three times, your root guru in the form of Vajradhara. In a column above him are the Kagyu masters surrounded by the masters of the Siddi lineage. Aditionally all the gurus of chod. Surrounding them are the yidams, protectors, gaurdians, bodhisattvas, heroes, and dakinis. They have been inseperarbly there since the beginning.

With genuine devotion and faith from the depth of your heart in a cry of longing pray to the pervasive Lord who is the nature of all things.

Recite Mahamudra prayer without distractions

http://pastebin.com/GLD1CZ5r

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>>18612513
The yidams, protectors, gaurdians, bodhisattvas, heroes, and dakinis turn into light and dissolve into the lineage gurus.
The lineage gurus melt into light one into another. They all turn into light and dissolve into the root guru who becomes the
essence of all the 3 jewels combined.

White light radiates from his forehead and dissolves into the space between your eyebrows (third eye).
This purifies obscurations of body such as killing. You become the fortunate one who receives the Nirmanakaya

In a similar fashion red light radiates from the guru's throat and dissolves into your throat to eliminate obscurations of speech such as lying. Meditate on the channels and winds. You become the fortunate one who receive the Sambhokaya

Dark blue light radiates from the guru's heart into your heart removing mental obscurations such as wrong views.
You then receive the prajnaparamita(perfection of wisdom, awareness of union of emptiness and compassion) empowerment. Meditate on the absorbtion. You become the fortunate one who receives the Dharmakaya.

White, red, and dark blue lights radiates from the Guru's 3 places and dissolves and dissolve into your head, throat, and heart.
This purifies the obscurations of body, speech, and mind.
You receive the empowerment of Mahamudra.
See mind as being unborn. Now practice Vippasana on selflessness of all phenomena and inviduals. Rest in calmness on that.
Meditate on insperableness of bliss and emptiness. You become the fortunate one who receives the essence kaya.

With a pleasing radiant smile the root guru dissolves into a sphere of light that enters you through the crown of your head.
goes down through the throat and dissolves into your heart.
Imagine your mind and the mind of your root guru become inseperable.
Rest undistracted and uniterrupted by thought in a state of the essence of all nature for as long as you can.
Think that whatever appearences arise or appear are various manifestations of the guru's body.

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>>18612515
All sounds are the guru's speech, the natural sounds of his channels.
Whatever thoughts or movements arise are the spontanious nature of Vajrayogini.

After giving up the worldly body and now being Vajrayogni, give away all dependencies by shooting the mind with a great shaft of light(going through the crown of yourself as Vajrayogini to the heart of Meitreya) to Tushita Heaven that is like a very bright golden sun(Pure Land)
So that your mind becomes insaperable from Meitreya

In the center of Tushita Heaven is Meitreya with a golden body on a lion throne.

Dedicate the karmic merit gained from this guru-yoga to all sentient beings.

While walking always imagine there is a Stupa next to your right side with the guru inside sitting ontop of lotus-moon seat.
With every step you take you are circumbulating. In this way you dont have to go to a formal Stupa anymore.

While eating and drinking imagine that the substances dissolve into divine nectar and as it enters your mouth it is offered to your guru who sits on a red lotus inside your throat.

Meditate on that everything you say, that all movements, and that sitting is a service your guru.
While sitting imagine the guru sitting ontop of your head.

While falling asleep visualise a red "AH" in front in a red lotus with 4 petals.
Or simply OM AH HUNG in a lotus with 4 petals
At the sime while going to sleep meditate that the guru sits in the center of your heart and that his radiant light illuminates your body; then fall asleep in that state.

Whenever you receive new clothes, a new house, or any new possesions. Offer all these to your guru: Either mentally or actually physically.

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>>18612518
When sick, ill, or in pain. Imagine the guru at the spot of pain or illness and that a nectar drips from him cleansing all sickness. Imagine all ilness, misdeeds towards you, and obscurations of others are methods of purification that come from the guru's blessings and then meditate on joy to maintain a joyous attitude.

If demonic plays arise imagine these are the playful activities of the guru urging you to practice virtue.

Imagine that any hapiness that occurs is the guru's blessing and any suffering that occurs is also the guru's compassion.
Use these as supports to increase your devotion to the guru and cultivate pure non-duality. Do not look for anywhere else to remedy or cure suffering. This is a crucial point.

>Translated from a Tibetan Karma Kagyu text on Vajrayogini Guru-Yoga

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>>18612521
The essential Mahamudra meditation instructions given by The Jetsun Guru Milarepa to a lay girl.

Without using many complicated words I will now tell you the truth.
Listen here, you wise girl,
Listen well, you rich and dedicated woman.
Listen attentively now.

Without any expectations, interest, nor ambition, without a single concern:
Sit naturally at ease and take the sky as your example,
And train in the meditation state without center or edge.
Take the sun and moon as your example,
And train in the meditation state without increase or decrease.
Take the mountains as your example,
And train in the meditation state without shifting or change.
Take the great ocean as your example,
And train in the meditation state without surface or base.
Take your own mind as the meaning,
And train in the meditation state without worry or doubt, without hope or fear.
The clouds are the sky’s magical display,
So let them be as the very state of the sky.
The planets and stars are the sun and moon’s magical display,
So let them be as the very state of the sun and moon.
The bushes and trees are the mountain’s magical display,
So let them be as the very state of the mountains.
The waves are the ocean’s magical display,
So let them be as the very state of the ocean.
The thoughts are the mind’s magical display,
So let them be as the very state of your mind.

The world itself is your own mind. Perfectly being in what it is, there is nothing to perfect, nothing to improve.
With nothing negative to reject, and nothing positive to accept, you might as well burst out laughing!

So rest in natural joy.

>>18612513
>How is your Dharma practice going?
Tough but well. I have some objects coming that may facilitate this.

You got a preferred script for the 100k/108k prostrations?

>>18612513
>http://pastebin.com/GLD1CZ5r
>>18612521
>>Translated from a Tibetan Karma Kagyu text on Vajrayogini Guru-Yoga
Thank you.

>>18612513
>>18612515
>>18612518
>>18612521
>>18612542
Amazing! Thank you so much

>>18612513
>How is your Dharma practice going?
I'm not really sure, but I'm glad I'm doing it. I haven't had any success yet with the dream yoga.

Should I do these >>18612513
>>18612515
now or incorporate them into the big ritual?

>>18612236
Because Donald Trump is a Christian. Curses don't work on followers of the one true God, read the Bible.

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>>18612236
Trump is under the protection of the Imperator of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn.

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>>18612565
>You got a preferred script for the 100k/108k prostrations?

Not really but any of the preleminary (lamrim) ngondro books is useful.
*Chariot for Travelling the Path to Freedom.
*Lamp for the Path to Enlightenment.
*Heart Essence of the Vast Expanse

His Holiness Kyabje Chatral Sangye Dorje Rinpoche did the ngondro 14 times over about 20 years. That is a total of 1.4 million prostrations, 1.4 million Vajrasattva mantra recitations, and 1.4 million Guru-Yoga sessions!!!

> I haven't had any success yet with the dream yoga.
Yes, this is very difficult.

"While falling asleep visualise a red "AH" in front in a red lotus with 4 petals.
Or simply OM AH HUNG in a lotus with 4 petals
At the sime while going to sleep meditate that the guru sits in the center of your heart and that his radiant light illuminates your body; then fall asleep in that state."

These above instructions actually help in dream-yoga

>now or incorporate them into the big ritual?
As stated above Guru-Yoga is part of the ngondro practices. 1 ngondro is 100 thousend prostrations, 100 thousend mantra recitations, and 100 thousend Guru-Yoga sessions.

In monestaries it usually done 2 times a day. Once before the morning meditation session and once before the evening meditation session.
Milarepa did Guru-Yoga 6 times every day.
I myself do it usually once and some times twice a day, but you can also do it once a month and do it before the big ritual. You decide.

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>>18613127
>>18612542
Mahamudra is the Kagyu equivelent of the Nyingma Dzogchen. Its both an entire system from total beginner to Buddhahood and a also "non-meditation" practice of the mind meditating on mind itself.

Mahamudra can best be described in these 7 lines:
>If you attain non-attainment, then you have attained Mahamudra.
>You will discover the path of Buddha when there is no path of meditation.
>By meditating on non-meditation you will attain the supreme bodhi.
>If mind has no aim, it is Mahamudra.
>All experience is the manifestation of mind.
>As for mind, there is no mind; mind's nature is empty.
>samsara is nirvana.

Tilopa's Mahamudra meditation instructions to Naropa.
http://pastebin.com/FMdBGsUU

Naropa's Mahamudra meditation instruction to Marpa(Guru of Milarepa, student of Naropa).
http://pastebin.com/hz6pZ3fC

Gampopa's(best student of Milarepa) Mahamudra meditation instructions to The First Karmapa
http://pastebin.com/tcJEFd2s
http://pastebin.com/F9370c1y

Machig Labdron's(founder of Chod) instructions:
http://pastebin.com/35J7NvFb

*Note: These instructions are merely pointing out instructions. The actual Mahamudra can not be teached by anyone, nor learned by anyone, because it is the ultimate experience of non-experience: beyond concepts and language.
The Chod practices are used in all Tibetan traditions but has special importance in Kagyu and Bon.

>>18613127
>*Lamp for the Path to Enlightenment.
just ordered this last night!
>These above instructions actually help in dream-yoga
>As stated above Guru-Yoga is part of the ngondro practices. 1 ngondro is 100 thousend prostrations, 100 thousend mantra recitations, and 100 thousend Guru-Yoga sessions.
will start on the above, thanks for all of this, and this >>18613133

I thought you were on retreat for the next three years?

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>>18613311
My pleasure.

My Precious Guru denied the retreat, however instead he gave detailed Mahamudra instructions to practice, especially on the 6 Yogas of Naropa.(video semi-related)
Which is the reason why I checked back here and shared the teachings in the above posts.

In 2 days I will go back to the monestary to ask for permission again. I feel pretty optimistic things will go well.

The Lamp for The Path also has some instructions on how to find a guru and what qualities a guru must have to be a good one. It also has guidelines on how to find a spiritual friend/companion.

https://youtu.be/nN8TOJ7O4gg

>>18613575
>In 2 days I will go back to the monestary to ask for permission again. I feel pretty optimistic things will go well.
Tashi Delek!

>>18613127
>Yes, this is very difficult.
It ebbs and flows for me; I don't have a finger on the mechanism of absolute control. Ritual is key, it seems.

>I myself do it usually once and some times twice a day, but you can also do it once a month and do it before the big ritual. You decide.
I'm wanting to replace my 4x daily Resh adorations w/ the 100k/108k.

>>18613665
^^^

>>18613665
Yes, good luck! Also, bump.

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>>18612460
Don't ask, try. Considering how low the bar to entry on all this shit is, there is no reason for you not to try and find out for yourself.

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>>18612293
No, i totally missed these.
Thanks for pointing them out.
Ive been working really long hours because all the Chinese are back at work after CNY and my inbox is getting blown up.
And, I was on the phone with Australia too this week on and off.

Ok here goes.
Again, this is just based on MY experiences.
You may find things are different for you.

In AfroCarib and Mexi or CentAmerican magic and folk traditions there are A LOT of people who want to charge something for nothing.
Some of these people are charlatains and con people who rely on the fact that the general public is not informed on what is real and what is not in these belief systems.
So, they are gonnatry to sell you all kinds of fake cleansings and readings and ingredients for way too much money.

One example of this I have talked about before, is the price of the iron impliments for an Nganga online.

I have heard of Nganga selling for over $3k, and some Palero/a will CHARGE their godchildren this type of money for their first Nganga that should be a gift item to get them started after they are initiated, and so on.

To me, this is unfair and a racket.
Anyone can find a rusty pick axe head, or old rail road spikes, of animal skulls if you are motivated and inovative enough. To then turn around and charge someone you call your child $300 - $3k for these type of things is down right criminal.
Please, be wary of anyone that wants to charge you an outrageous sum of money for a "service" like this.
I understand a large gathering like a Tambor costi g a large sum of money.
You might need to pay a caterer or a decorator or musicians, or pay for an event space somewhere, and so on.
But, for some other things I dont see a need for so much money to be required.
I would recommemd that you look for older practioners...older than middle aged.
I mean elderly.
Some of them may be willing to give advice or readings and other things for trade/barter or for help with their daily tasks.
Cont.

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>>18612460
They do, but they are more like glammory and dont last long.

I had good luck with candle and card attraction glamours when I was around 15 or 16.
The last one I did was a mirror glamour arlund the same time.
They can work, and they are easy but they dont lastl long at all.

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>>18614132
Then, there are young solitaries like me that live too far or are too poor or just dont have the right connections.
Were useful for some things, but not for initiations.

You should also try making connections at the Carnicerias (Hispanic butchers shops - those are where I buy my 7 day candles)
It would take you a few visits and talking and getting to know the people that work there or shop there frequently before they would talk to you about this type of thing.
My first visit to my downtown Carniceria I just got down to business.
Picked up some 7 day candles, some real cane sugar Mexican Coke, some home made beef jerky put them up by the cash register and tried to gauge reactions from the cashier and other workers visually when it came time to ring up the very specific candles I picked.
They were pretty chill and tight lipped, so I havent pushed my luck too far.

You MAY try at Botanicas if you live in a Coastal area with a higher CubanAmerican population.

But again, I would try to hang closer to someone older/elderly and see if you can get them talking in a relaxed friendly manner before bombarding them with questilns and scaring them off.

Last time I was down inOrlando, I saw a Botanica near Winter Park, FYI.
I was with family, so I couldnt go in because they wouldnt stop the car when I asked.
(Youre going to hell! And all that jive turkey nonsense.)

>>18614277
>I was with family, so I couldnt go in because they wouldnt stop the car when I asked.
how old are you Palo?

>>18614277
Hey what about the website on this post? What is your opinion on it?

>>18606952

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>>18614421
Im 34.
It was a family vacation about 4 years ago, and I was driving at the time.
There were four of us in the car.
2 were under 13 and would have had no say anyway even if they wanted to stop as well.
I dont talk to my family a lot about my beliefs because they are vehemently unflinchingly Abrahamic.
I could tell you stories that would curl you hair, no fucking joke.
You would not believe how many times Ive heard "You need to throw that away thats witch craft" and "You need to pray about it" in the last month.
There was a three year period of time where I spoke to no one in my family by my choice because of this same issue.

>>18614440
>REAL Oracle Head.
>$3k

This one is better, and cheaper even though its a replica of a real medical specimen:

https://www.google.com/search?q=real+human+skull&client=tablet-android-samsung&sa=X&biw=1280&bih=800&tbs=vw:l,ss:44&tbm=shop&prmd=sivn&srpd=14139626015758036096&prds=num:1,of:1,epd:3497412838306212959,cid:14842397775345241869&ved=0ahUKEwi0loKDuITSAhVJxVQKHWi2DeQQgjYI8QQ

Feed it, build it a little nest, leave it presents.
You may be able to attract the spirit of the original skulls owner.


I trust no one that tries to turn a profit off their "beliefs".
Thats when it stops being something you do out of conviction, and starts being something you do out of greed.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YqBIgCb7dv0

>>18614525
I WASNT drving.
Tablet keyboards sucks.

Is there any rune that I can use to feel more self-confident and not be spaghetti-san anymore?

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>>18614596
Start on page 62.
Youre gonna need to use google translate.
Sorry, most of my stuff requires that or a similar tool:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.libroesoterico.com/biblioteca/Magia/-Tratado-Con-7-Rayos.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjm8P3Tw4TSAhUqjVQKHQTMB6gQFgiLATAR&usg=AFQjCNHKUQSE-S_Eo8MEZT1F54tQB6Bm3g&sig2=Ndbybd098ZsLy9s1CXYShw

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q61JRKpWg-s

>>18597334
Yesterday I used basic, homemade sigil magic to let my surgery be a success.

Today my surgeon told me post-surgery that he felt like using a technique using sound waves to cut bones that is usually reserved for more serious cases.
It takes twice as long to perform but is safer and cleaner.
No extra charge or anything.

This tipped the scale. I'm now 100% a believer.

I'm still a bit tired since my surgery was 14 hours ago so I'm going back to sleep. Just wanted to share.

>>18614525
That's a cool looking skull. So what exactly would you feed it with? I'm thinking candles but I'm not sure about what type of food. What would be the purpose of attracting the skull's original owner?

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>>18614819
What do they dead eat?

>>18614819
>>18614819
Im going to answer these after work.

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>>18615153
You don't need to tell me, I prefer my spirits more lively.

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bamp

>>18614525
>I dont talk to my family a lot about my beliefs because they are vehemently unflinchingly Abrahamic.
Damn dude that must have been tough. I was lucky enough to be born into a family of agnostics.

Can someone please explain all this to me. I'm very interested in all of this subject topic though

Anyone interested in anything from The Temple of Man by RA Schwaller de Lubicz?

Got access to a hard copy.

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>>18615622
Some people think waving your hands around all silly, or saying special words, or just thinking about certain things, will give you power over the supernatural. Fucking wacky ain't it?

>>18615717
Odd but very interesting

>>18614132
How did you started practicing this stuff??

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>>18615719
Not really odd. Been the sort of thing people have believed for as long as we have records of what people believe. Pretty normal really.

>>18615717
I wouldn't say it's wacky,man, and you can see examples of it without any funky rituals.

Try going in front of a mirror everyday and saying positive affirmations to yourself for 10 minutes. Guess what'll happen? Eventually your mind will start to believe it, and you'll behave accordingly. I may be a noob, but I've come to the understand that in essence magic is a similar concept. Any magicians out there can tell me if I'm right or wrong...

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>>18615757
https://youtu.be/R95A1jDwX_8

Heh, when you start blurring the line between cognitive behavioral therapy and magic you may find yourself on shaky ground. People are quick to take any trick of the mind and proclaim it magic, but that always leads back to having two words for the same thing, and having magic be the less useful of the two words.

>>18614156
Please tell me one to use.

>>18615768
Thanks for this. Very interesting.

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>>18614737
Good for you!
Im glad it went smoothly and you had a top notch doc that was willing to take the time to do it right when he knew that is what should be done.
So many docs these days want to rush through things so they can get back to their golf game.
Dont get me started on the number of Ceareans that are lerformed on women so the doctor can go on vacation and not have to wait.
The proper thing to do would be to at least prewarn the patient and then alert a good midwife and nurse practitioners and have the hospital on stand by in case of breach or other emergency.
Surgery is a craft that requires a level of dedication.
Again, practicing not out of greed, but out of conviction.
This surgeon is a true artist and a saint for being willing to listen to a small voice calling to him, telling him to be patient and do it right.
You will have a quick recovery with no complications.
When you are back in action, give thanks to Zarabanda, the owner of the knife, for sending one of his children in your time of need.
PS, did you get to keep the bone?
Or, did you not ask?
I wish I would have asked to keep my wisdom teeth when they got pulled.
They were gnarly as fuck.
Dentist wanted to throw them straight out.

Im not off work yet.
I just thought about you all last night, and wanted to send you some love.

>>18615853
Self initiation is not possible in Palo Mayombe, right?

>>18614737
Jesus is not going to accept you into paradise for being a witch.

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>>18615861
Thats what they say.
But, I havent been "scratched in" yet and I still practice.
Ive had 0 issues.
For the most part I reject the dogma.
Primarily because Im an outsider.
But, you also to have to realize, that the Palero/as make EVERYONE an outsider.
And if you dont know some "secret handshake" you are not gonna "get in" - which is a load of unnecessary bullshit.
If you have the time and the patience, and google translate you can find out anything just as well as they could tell you.
Ive been studying Diaspora religions for about 5 or 6 years now.
I was studying Santeria the first maybe 3 years and Palo Mayombe and ATR maybe the last 2 to 3.
Ive been doing folk and sympathetic magick at least 19 years.

Ill probably get yelled at for saying this, but fuck anyone that charges you a premium for initiation into a club they wont let you in anyway.

Do your own research and teach yourself and hang onto your money.
Last time I checked the spirits dont really want it anyway.

>>18615896
>your feels when a doodle is more effective than your Jesus

>>18615939
I read that you need to ask to the spirits and your ancestors if you are allowed into the practice, and thats what the Tata does before the rayamiento. Your opinion on this?

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>>18615939
Btw Palo, I don't need to translate because I am spanish. If you want to share some links or books I will appreciate it.

>>18598963
What was that crazy wizard's name? Back at the very beginning.

I miss that guy.

I forgot all the old names, the general went full faggot long ago

>>18615709
zug zug

>>18616007
?
Gonna have to get more specific than that. We're all crazy wizards ITT.

>>18616007
The old guy who talked about vibrations and causing weather pattern changes and earthquakes?

>r/occultism attempting to drive out alt-kek shit in occultism again
God damn those guys crack me up.

>>18616890
mizar or something like that??

>>18617016
>alt-kek shit in occultism
Unless you wanna talk with me about historical practice of Egyptian religion, redditoads and dubspammers can fuck off from this thread too.

>2017
>going to reddit, even once
Cancerous, mate.

>>18617153
This thread isn't for ARGs.

>>18617162
>This thread isn't for ARGs.

I know.

>>18617172
So then why are we talking about fucking Mizar?

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>>18598963
I don't think the thing you're nostalgic for ever really existed. The old magic generals didn't have nearly as eastern a flavor, but they were so painfully full of shitposting and roleplaying.

>>18616007
keeper, styr, blood which, orion, mountain man, anonymouse, and random chaotes and role players, were the regulars

>>18616890
resonance and laws of attraction are new thought bullshit Talking about the guy who posted about leylines and such as well?

>>18617016
I'm not sure why, they believe in the same shit, last I saw they were trying to raise money to put squiggles on bill boards across the country to change the world.

>>18617153
mizar was a roleplayer from england that spawned about 7 copycats and a poorly thought out arg.

>>18617175
I was answering to this guy >>18616890

It looks like mizar, I don't remember anybody claiming such things.

>>18617183
>It looks like mizar, I don't remember anybody claiming such things.
Have you like, scrolled through the catalog lately? Or, god forbid, the /div/ discord?

>>18617185
Nope. I used to like /x/ a lot, but for sometime now I am here just for this thread. I knew Mizar was a roleplayer but the people freaking with his threads was pretty fun.

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Magic isn't real.

If magic were real, doctors would study healing spells in addition to medical science.

If magic were real, stock traders would use tarot and other forms of divination to predict the stock market.

If magic were real, the military would use hexes and curses to kill problematic terrorist leaders.

If magic were real, police would use necromancy to get murder victims to identify the perpetrator.

>in before "That's not what magic is"

If magic can't be used to heal the sick, predict the future, talk to the dead, and destroy your enemies, then what the hell CAN it do?

>>18617267
sorry mate, this isn't a cringe thread. i still cringed though so 3/10

i won't tell you "that's not what magic is" but i will tell you to do what curt cobain did.

>>18617267
> goes on /x/
> complains that the occult isn't real

good one m8

by the way, how ever said that the groups you described didn't use magic?

>>18617304
*who ever said

>>18617267
That's not what magic is.

SADLY The Ape of Jews is shilling again for

>https://mega.nz
>https://mega.nz

Tantraloka, Abhinavagupta magnum opus, SALLEGEDLY for the FIRST TIME in English language...

SAD Ape of Jews, the book is free to read and download @ the internet archive for a long time.

SAD Ape of Jews, find a fucking job.

>>18617397
I'd wonder if you're off your meds, but lets be honest, no one ever cared about you enough to get you into therapy in the first place so you don't have a script.

>>18617377
Then what is magic?

>in before "I don't have to tell you that!"

Actually, you DO have to.

If a word like "magic" is to have any real meaning, it has to have a clear and coherent definition.
If you can't define what you call "magic", then society is going to define it for you. Any movement that doesn't have the will to self-define is dead in the water.

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>>18613665
>>18613835
>>18613845
Thank you very much!
This will probably be my last post for a long time.
So anyone posting under this name, won't be me.

After my Guru has finished teaching he usually says "If we do not die in our sleep tonight then teachings will continue tomorrow" to make me remember impermanence.
So if I won't die, maybe I will post again if I am back after retreat, though I will post under a different name.

Here is a commentary by The Karmapa on the earlier given Vajrayogini guru-yoga text.
He has some very wise words, you should definitely check it out. I especially like the last part about Milarepa and Gampopa.
My own Guru too has only 3 students (including me) and lives in a tiny monestary in an isolated place living a humble life without any fame at all, but his realizations are beyond doubt. He lived for 6.5 years alone in a cave until his uncle asked him to take his place in the monestary. (His uncle passed away into Thukdam using tummo at 86 years of age. His uncle was also visited several times by the 16th Karmapa and helped to recognize the 17th Karmapa.)

http://pastebin.com/TPArGT0Y

If you ever feel bored here are 21 homages to Tara that you can recite.

http://pastebin.com/Mp0SKm2D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qfr4rOq7mg

Here is an extra dedication prayer(to offer any gained merit to all sentient beings) you could recite after a meditation session, but it's not a neccesery thing, still better if you do though.

http://pastebin.com/J9XvF2tM

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>>18617414
>movement
ha ha ha

If you think magic is some hip new counter culture, you are several thousand years late to the party. The word, and what it entails, mean different things to different people. And when it comes to shit posting on an anonymous image board, no one owes you shit.

>>18617267
It is real though, just read your bible and look at exodus where the egyptian magicians cast spells in response to God using moses+aaron, by using their own secret arts, e.g magic.
Evidently though we've seemed to have lost the most effective form of magic.

>>18617437
>no one owes you shit

True, but it goes both ways. You don't owe anyone an explanation of your beliefs, but that also means no one owes you any accommodations for your apparent communication disorder.

I don't have any trouble telling people what I believe. Of course, my beliefs are relatively straightforward, and warrant very little explanation. I believe magic isn't real. I believe there is one almighty God whose will dominates all of our existence. These are beliefs I share with the majority of educated people.

>>18617456
>look at exodus where the egyptian magicians cast spells in response to God using moses+aaron
I think it's more likely that the Egyptian priests were employing the David Blaine sort of "magic"; i.e., sleight of hand, smoke-and-mirrors stuff. Magic isn't real.

>>18617461
neat

>>18617466
What evidence do you have to suggest that?
You've read exodus right?
How are you supposed to replace all of the water in the nile with blood?
Granted I could see your point if you thought that it was through the power of satan, and not their own magic that did this.

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>>18617456

Words, rituals, props, etc; All of it is roleplay to put the worker in the proper mindset to manipulate reality and/or perceptions of reality. Belief and focus are the important parts, everything else is just fluff.

>>18617435
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qfr4rOq7mg
Utterly transcendent.

>>18617286
>>18617304
>>18617377
>replying

>>18617397
>>18617407
It's probably still that guy who used to spam these threads five years ago.

>SAD Ape of Jews, find a fucking job.
I literally just walked in the door from scanning donor files with the museum archive all day.

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>>18617267

>doesn't know about the NSA's secret remote viewing/remote influencing team.

>>18617456
>just read your bible

When will you dumbass christcucks realize that that response doesn't prove anything to anyone that's not as ignorant as you?

>>18612236
Trump is protected by god for his term. He is using him.

>>18617629
>Jim Bakker took time off from shilling food buckets to shitpost in my thread.

I'm touched.

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>>18617461
>I believe magic isn't real. I believe there is one almighty God whose will dominates all of our existence.
Religion appeals to extroverted, empathetic, right-brained people.
Magic appeals to introverted, analytical, left-brained people.

This is why the religious are often concerned with policing everyone's morals, while the occultist doesn't care what anyone does as long as they don't interrupt his studies. The rivalry between the religious and the occultists is basically just normie nerd-bashing. Now can we stop having this argument already?

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>>18611785

I've got the The Devil's Dozen and The Black Toad. Those are the only two that have been digitized, as far as I know.

>>18617656
>that image
http://imgur.com/a/roGOZ

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>>18617675
As a transgender Muslim I'm not sure how I should feel about this.

>>18617650
Where is your tripcode Ape?

>>18617664
Are they in the Mega? Also would you recommend them?

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>>18617684
Highly aroused is the proper answer

Ape of Thoth, it's been a while since I've lurked, were you ever part of an OTO lodge?

Are there any legit ones left?

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>>18617494
FELIS!
I love you.
Dont ever leave me again you little shit.
I was ...kinda...starting to get worried.

> coughs a couple of times, scratches head
> looks uncomfortable
> sneaks off awkwardly

>>18617686
On the other partition and I don't really feel like logging into it right now.

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>>18615944
Honestly, thats something you can do yourself.
How do you know if they are telling you the truth if you have 0 experience or knowledge?
I have trust issues, and that just doesnt jive with me well.
I dont let other people decide my future or what I do with my life.
Which, is not to say I would not be scratched in at all.
Im just super fucking picky on who, what, where, when, and why.

Now, if youll excuse me, I am home alone tonight so I have to go blare some music and drink some boxed wine.

>>18617775
Grey moon tonight, don't think it means anything in particular, but is still cool

>>18617548
>I literally just walked in the door from scanning donor files with the museum archive all day.

https://archive.org/search.php?query=tantraloka

SAD Ape of Jews, what's next, Crowley was an '"erudite'" homosexual addict?

Anyone got an invisibility spell? I'm horribly introverted and I hate being noticed by people especially by those horrible cart and sample people in the mall. I would love to be able to go unnoticed at will.

>>18597334

Who here has used psychedelics for occult purposes? what were your experiences with them?

>>18617830
I don't see any on archive.org that are in English.

>>18617841
The Black Pullet grimoire has an invisibility talisman. I'm on my phone right now, can't open the library, but the pdf is probably in the Grimoires folder.

>>18617843
Psychedelics lead to the false impression that your experiencing the profound while further entrenching you further into materialism and state-chasing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZxEBBYg6kU

>>18617853
It says I have to make a ring. Can it be made of paper?

Since someone was asking for it earlier, The Black Toad:

https://www.sendspace.com/file/rizvd8

>>18617843

Shitty practitioner here. But I've attempted to do rituals while under the influence. I had no control whatsoever. Don't recommend.

Sobriety is kind of the best state to be in for this stuff.

>>18617899
does it give me ransomware by evil warlock?

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>>18617723

D'aww. :3

I've been consumed with knocking the rust off, as it were, lately. Stepped up my meditation, research, and exercise regimen to the point where days are blending together. Hope you've been well, Palo.

>>18617905

specifically I tried under the influence of mescaline. I was distracted by the myriad sense distortions going on. Had no focus whatsoever.

roleplaying intensifies...

l0l

>>18617911
You can sing your way out of that, you know? Speak what you need into being, man.

>>18617905
No.
Sobriety is not the best.
Loaded is not the best.
Microdosing is the best.

>>18617853
Do you know of one that's a bit more accessible? I'm not sure how I'll get a bronze ring or how to engrave it with the image or the characters

Every single protoreligion dealt with drugs.

...muh necro wannabee isn't high while roleplaying.

/thread

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If you guys are interested in the Occult and Ritualistic EWO type stuff you should checkout the newest findings from pizzagate. There are whole networks are people mentioning ritualistic sacrifice and Crowley. Some claim they are part of witch covens. Pretty strange. Any info on this pic?

>>18617938
full retard

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>>18617938
Here's another from the same account.

>>18617938
>implying I'm not an initiated Thelemite and practitioner of Sabbatic Craft, among many other things
I'm sure saying you pizzagaters are fucktarded is just more evidence I'm a part of the conspiracy.

>>18617938

it's just an intel operation.

they keep the interest on a decent level, while nothing reslly happens whatsoever.

no investigations or arrests.

the people posting such bullshit are fed to do so.

Amanda Kleinman started pushing pedophile propaganda at least 4 years ago.

the pizza hype is just a big operation that hides any eventual real discovery.

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>>18617948
Nobody is implicating you in anything. We are just seeing strange things we know nothing about. We know you guys understand this. Pic is from another account.

>>18617962
Oh wow, it's a unicursal hexagram.
Much spoop.

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>>18617841
>>18617851
Goetia...Bael...
It works.
I used it for a year at work to avoid someone that was higher up the ladder and making my life a living hell.
They stopped bothering me, but at the same time no one noticed any of the good work I was doing or trying to do.
I was for all purposes invisible.
Only time Ive really used Goetia, and then it wasnt even properly.
I did it in my bedroom, no circle, no official setup; call me stupid if you'd like.
As far as I can tell, no major adverse effects.

If that doesnt float your boat, carry devils shoestring root in your pocket.

>>18617960
I understand what you are saying. This network extends way beyond a pizza shop. If you browse the accounts it's pretty clear that these people use masonic codes to communicate.

What is going on in here? My scanners detected a new and powerful form of autism.

>>18617979
>it's pretty clear that these people use masonic codes to communicate.
Show me the evidence of encoded communications, what the code is, how to break it, and the underlying meaning.
I'll wait.

>>18617962

Ah Yes.

I knew the propaganda had to start soon.

SHALOM GOYM

>>18617976
"best pic"

try harder, shill

>>18617975
We recognized that. It was the moonstone pic I was mainly curious about. It could be just some new age trend. I was wondering if you guys had a different interpretation.

>>18617979
Pedo stuff is just part of a larger black market. Remember that guys. If you focus on knocking down just one pillar of a building, the people who own it can start building a new one to replace it since just one supporting structure crumbling won't bring the whole house down.

>>18617988
The only thing you're functionally doing is keeping my thread bumped, friend.

>>18617986
Basically it's just the repeated use of themes in images. Owls, swans, stags, mice, bears. These type of animal groups are common in these accounts and there are normally implied meanings associated.

>>18617995
If you guys wanna bust up pedo rings, by all means, please donate your time, money, and resourced to outfits that do just that.

Y'know, instead of sublimating your political rage towards museums, performance artists, the pizza establishments both parties use, and people with a bit different spiritual praxes than you.

One is a pragmatically useful endeavor. The other is shitposting to fuel self righteous conflagrations.

>>18617995
We understand that now. An actual pedo explained that they don't identify using symbols much. We think that the symbols could be some masonic or governmental group.

>>18618003
>Owls, swans, stags, mice, bears.
OMG
Everyone, stop the presses.
Humans like depictions of ANIMALS.
IN THEIR ENVIRONMENT.
THAT THEY INTERACT WITH.

Thank god you pizzagate detectives cracked the case!

>>18618008
I'm just interjecting some sense here.

I also have put my time and efforts into helping tear up some of that stuff. Hell. I have a degree in it.

I'm also not bashing you at all. I was actually going to defend you guys a bit. But I guess you don't need my help.

>>18617976
>If that doesnt float your boat, carry devils shoestring root in your pocket.

Thanks for that low magick advice. I'll think about it. Tell me how you did the ritual please. what you did and how long it took.

apart from that, is there any way I can summon an angel to do that instead?

>>18617979
>This network extends way beyond a pizza shop.

True.

>>18617986
What are you, some delicate blue grade passive homo?

I supporte the original /EWO/ threads for days with other two guys. All the rest was earlier shitposting and then blatant shilling to diverge the research.

I'll give you a name n the followers and commenters of the jimmycomet instagram:

Septime Webre

Look @ Wikipedia, read that page and tell me if you can bear that propaganda.

This closeted gay works with young female dancing theathers at international level.

Another early apperance is Rachel Chandler. She has photos with a lot of big names in movies and music, while pimping some kids.

It's a big system. And no one posting here is part of it.

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>>18618015
Here's a pic from another thread. There was a poster that mentioned the same groups. He was cryptic but someone else in the thread understood him.

>>18618017
The reply was less for you, particularly and more for these two FUNposters trying to derail the thread.

>>18618022
keep pol shit on pol, you retard

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>>18618017
Thanks for the help. Here's another pic. Just trying to get a different interpretation. These groups are obsessed with mythology.

>>18618020
>>18618022
You guys wanna talk about Abhinavagupta's nondualist Saivism or not?

Because I think I already know the answer to that question.

>>18618032
Your anonymous source there is vagueposting at you and you're running with it.

Y'know. Like ya do.

>>18618008

Really can't find the link between 'Enartete Art', progressive bullshit and modern nihilism?

Bye
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>>18618032
there is no group, there is a bunch of board retards making things up and then jerking each other off over it as an excuse to share pedo images with each other. It;s a really shitty arg. please leave

>>18618035
Sorry for derailing. We looked at these threads and tried to interpret them a few days ago. Just trying to get the viewpoint of someone knowledgeable.

>>18618035
ok. I like the non-duality idea. But every researcher - and I consider myself a Traditionalist - has a political duty. What is yours?

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>>18617910
Yeah, I started trying to exercise again and realized what an old fat ass I am.
Its really depressing what marriage does to the human body.
Never again, if I can undo this.
Its gonna take a loooong time.
I try to jog on the treadmill and Im wheezing after ten minutes.
Yoga and popped the fuck out of my back and shoulder the day before yesterday.
Right in the bone spur.
Pinched nerve and pain all day at work.
Getting old bites.

>>18618051
>What is yours?
Defiling white women with by filthy barbarian seed.

What are some good enochian magic grimoires?

>>18618063
I referenced a load of 'em earlier in the thread, from David Richard Jones to James to Tyson to the individual Sloan MSS themselves.

Anyone hear of ordines descendes? Is it legit or not

>>18618071
I forgot to say "in the mega" Ones that are readily available.

>>18617898
>>18617921
Look, I didn't make a ring myself. A year ago, I embroidered the talisman on a piece of cloth and carried with me for a while. It was around a time I had to work at night. I live in a dangerous city and my neighbourhood is extra shitty during nighttime.
Honestly, It worked perfectly for me... Or maybe it was dumb luck. I'm considering embroidering another one again (my first was simple and undid itself after a few months, it was nothing fancy anyway), because not being noticed by crackheads around town is pretty neat.

Well, you should try it. Or find someone around your area that works with metal.

Sorry for not being more specific earlier. Someone else might now an easier spell.

>>18618074
I dunno, did you flip through my Enochian and Sloane folders yet?

Was Crowley the beast 666 a friend of Israel?

>Qabalistic Writings

Oy Vey Goym.

>>18618079
yeah but it's unclear what is a grimoire and what's merely anthropological. I ask what is known to be good so i do not have to do work of sorting through every single thing since you're here right now. I assume the things you mentioned are indeed in the mega

>>18618086
I actually don't know if I have a copy of James in the library.

Tyson's alright if you put his speculation on the backburner. Jones' writings are up on Hermetic.com.

>>18618086
don't bother it's all fake

>>18618077
I'm getting a lot of "cutting corners is okay" vibes this night. Thanks anon. :^)

>>18618097

lel talking about shitty books as they were your close friends.

have you followed some 101 on propaganda to promote such bullshit?

Did the CIA pay well?

>>18618019
No ritual.
I just picked who sounded good, read out the words, asked for what I needed, said I would be super appreciative of some help, was honest that I had zilch to give back in return, said thanks and bye.
I honestly didnt think it would work, because nothing felt different or seemed different.
I was a little bitter when I was getting passed over for so long.
But, in the end it was for the best.

No clue on "Angels".
Ive always heard theyll fuck you up worse than a "Demon".

>>18618118
How did you dispel it?

>>18618115
>Did the CIA pay well?
More like Stratfor and Palantir.
And handsomely.

>>18618123
>Implying all silicon valley isn't mossad shit.

Good Goy

>>18618133
Who else is gonna pay me to subvert and erode the purity of White Western Christian ideology?

>>18618010
Masonic? Nah Some of them are Masons, but the Masons as a rule don't go that route.. Governmental? Nope. The government just allows it to happen. Most of them involved don't really know they are doing things that help things such as guns, drugs, or people to be trafficked. The ones who do eventually leak it. On purpose or due to arrogance.

Hell, Obama has made remarks to simply toy with people who suspected him the "No sulfur smell" comment, for example. (Google it.)

The issue is, pedophilia is the thing they are purposely extending over and over. It is the one thing they can use to get people all riled up. If they get busted, come under fire, etc. they just throw a few lower level dudes to the wolves. Then people like you sit and say "YEAH! WE GOT THAT FUCKER GOOD!" Like that Jared Fogle guy. Nobody followed up on him or any of his connections. He just went to jail. Everyone talked about it for two weeks, then...zip.

Human trafficking int the U.S. and Europe is such a risky thing to do, that only two groups of people do it. Think about this with me. Who can incur those costs? Organized crime groups. And...yes. Obscenely rich and powerful people. Or people with friends who are obscenely rich and powerful.

Ape here? If he is involved he's just a Jared Fogle. They would WANT you to concentrate on him. So there is zero point in it. He probably wouldn't know a damn thing worth knowing anyway. So chill with this witch hunt here. Symbols used by him, and other groups are neutral all on their own. Masons are neutral, on their own. But the individuals who use that symbolism are to blame, and that is no true fault of the organization...as of yet.

Same goes for Thelma and Satanism.
>>18618022
Eh, he's obviously using code to talk about "predator and prey" scenarios. Which is not really proof of anything. Anyone can talk like that. He gave very little to go on, other than trying to make your imagination go wild. Even if he was legit, he did that to confuse.

>>18618138
>Thelma and Satanism.
Thelma and Louise?

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>>18618122
Told it thanks, and dont stick around cause thats not welcome and I would not hesitate to defend myself and my house, and hopefully we could come to an agreement on that, and bye.
In slightly different words.
I cant remember everything I said because this was around 2009 or 2010, I think.
But there was nothing special at all about it.
It was super casual, and like I said I didnt even think it would work because I didnt think anything was even really there or listening.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=InRDF_0lfHk
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3kHNVGBGHRg

>>18618101
It is, my dude. Nothing against those who follow it by the book, but for simple tasks like that (being unnoticed), it saves time if you adapt those rituals. Your will is the effort, I guess.
Anyway, you're welcome. Good luck!

>>18618137
Vatican is mainly focusing in South America and proselitising in Africa.

Whites? They have sold out their souls.

>>18618166
>Anyway, you're welcome. Good luck!

D0 WHAT TH0U WILT, G0Y

>>18618071
Coph Nia, a local body of Ordo Templi Orientis in the valley of Eugene, OR

>>18618164
Thanks. I summoned King Carmara and Prince Hagonel and asked them nicely. I'm don't think it worked or did anything but hopefully.

>>18618182
Yup.

I'm not in Oregon tho.

>>18618167
jej

>>18618188
I summoned the prince of bel air

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>>18618173
>mentioned will
>must be a thelemite

Great job.

>>18597334
at the end of the movie, what happens to pazuzu?

>>18618222
have you been poked?

>>18618138
Alright. Thanks for the response.

>>18618082
Don't worry, he explains in the foreword to sepher sephuroth that Jews are an inferior race who make bland flatbread out of Christian children and he doesn't understand how they came up with qabalah.

>>18617909
Just downloaded it, and no problems yet. I'll let you know if my computer explodes or something.

>>18615709
No one?

finally something happens itt

>>18617656
>Religion appeals to extroverted, empathetic, right-brained people.
>Magic appeals to introverted, analytical, left-brained people.
I feel like this is kind of an oversimplification.

Lots of magical practices appeal to the creatively-oriented right brain, Wicca is a good example of this. Not all magic is high magic.

>>18615709
>>18618809

me. Scan and post it pls