Jedi ruled NOT a religion.

>>18446527

This should really be on /his/ since it's religious, not paranormal. That being said, there's always the option to pull a Church of Scientology and use criminal tactics to bully the government in to doing what you want.

>>18446527
All clear. Halo 1
-North King

>>18446540
That sounds more like Order of the Sith tactics.

>>18446527
I used to write for those cats.

>>18446560
What did he mean by this?

But are you actually trying to move things via Force?

And do you not primarily draw from Star Wars for your lore.

>>18446651
No we do not.

It's not a telekinesis group, or fan fiction.

It's a lot like Buddhism, and other energy centric practices. We pull influences from all sorts of things in the broad field.

>>18446664
Then why did you name it after star wars characters?

If its completely unrelated to star wars why would you do that?

It would be like me having a model train enthusiast club and calling it "pedophiles united", then being suprised when people dont like us.

>>18446680
I didn't name it, and desu I would love to name it something different. Many people aren't open to that kind of thing though. I agree that it's a big hurdle to get over. It would take a branding and marketing storm to separate us from the fiction, and many members are not into the idea of making money. They basically don't know that being a little bit more of a money whore can bring you the opportunity for more charity work and an opportunity to reach more people.

I think we can still do it under the jedi banner if done right, but it would need to be ran as a business rather than a religion. I'm a minority in that thought process though.

The UK is pretty strict on what they deem a tax-exempt religion. Dont take it to hard, tell UKfags into jediism to do more charitable events in its name.

>for what its worth they don't consider Scientology a religon either

>>18446527
Amerifag here. I've actually heard stories of people declaring "Jedi" as the religion stated in their records and dog tags in the military.

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>>18446717
Yeah, we have religion status in the states I believe, so we can perform marriages and such. I happen to be an American too. It's just frustrating when you see something that is so positive in comparison to other practices be rejected due to ignorance.

>>18446717
America recognizes it as a religion

>>18446527
The force is real now that you have read this.

I've met some religious Jedi (like card carrying) and honestly, they're some of the most open and unassuming people ever. Like >>18446664 said, it's a lot like buddhism, but I think I like the Jedi more. Its a little bit easier to understand and I like their general attitude of "be the best you can be while helping everyone else do the same" its like turbo-buddhism.

Fucking shame that the UK decided this shit. Come on over to Burgerclapistan, we like you lot over here, and the UK may reconsider its position when they lose just shy of 400k citizens.

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>>18446527
Keep up Jedi anons, I also have problems getting my religion recognized and mine it's been an organized religion for thousand of years.

I just want to point out how much bullshit is in OPs article:

>"In its ruling the Charity Commission said Jediism "lacked the necessary spiritual or non-secular element" it was looking for in a religion."
Good to know that a nearly socialist state with a state endorsed religion gets to define "spiritual". Didnt they learn this lesson back when they lost the fucking colonies?

>It said there was insufficient evidence that "moral improvement" was central to the beliefs and practices of Jediism and did not have the "cogency, cohesion, or seriousness" to truly be a belief system.
This is just fucking lies, because it disagrees with their opinion and it doesnt have a large enough following to fight back.

>raised concerns that Jediism may, in part, have an "inward focus" on its members.
Yes, in order to be seen as a legitimate religion in the UK apparently you need to be an evangelizing and meddlesome group, youre not allowed to focus inwardly.

>Jediism has more adherents than Rastafarians and Jains, according to the 2011 census.

According to that census there are 5000 rastas and about 25,000 Jains whereas there are 177,000 current jedi. So get everyone to toss in ten dollars to some charitable organization, boom, 1.7 million dollars to charity, theres no way the fucking rastas or jains have done that much good for the UK.

what a load of poodoo
So get every card carrying jedi to pitch in 5$ to some charitable organization. You cant seriously tell me that

>>18446891
whoops typo

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>>18446563

You say "tomato", I say "peace is a lie, there is only passion".

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>>18446901
I don't inherently disagree.

>>18446901
There is both new one.

>>18446527

>Jedi begging for government gibsmedats

Just like the movies

>>18446938
Nowhere are we asking for anything other than the ability to conduct ourselves as a religion just like the others before us.

If we were asking for money then that would be one thing, but that's not the goal here. The longer they keep us in the dark the longer we have an uphill battle due to credibility.

It's about progressing, not just sitting on fat stacks.

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>>18446953
>Nowhere are we asking for anything other than the ability to conduct ourselves as a religion

Why do you need the help of a govermnent to conduct yourself? You have the right to practise whatever it is you want without persecution, regardless of it being a recognized religion or not

Your credibility comes from your group and how you present yourself, not the government

And if people mock you for it it's just something you'll have to deal with until/if you actually establish yourselves.

You're entitled to your beliefs, but nobody has an obligation to take you seriously

>>18446975
>nobody has an obligation to take you seriously

a free society does. its govt does. when religions enjoy special treatment at the hands of thr govt i.e. tax exemption that govt has an obligation to adherents of all religions. imo anyway. thats how it is here in the states. im not really into religion but i like it this way.

Before long all of Europe will be full of Fedoraists, so it really just doesn't matter.

It's like "look! Holy shit! The UK is doing what it has always done by slowly fucking over its people".

You're surprised that the people who decided "Yeah we can fuck a prisoner's mind into believing it served a 1000 sentence in 8 hours" are calling a religion invalid. Talk about naive.


Yes. I mad about the UK turning into sn Orwellian nightmare. But really the only reaction I can have is to laugh and post as if I'm doing stand-up.

>>18446994
In his defense (I agree with you), no one individual is under any obligation to take you seriously, but a governmental body should not be afforded the liberty to pick and choose among its favorites when the matter is subjective belief. If one church gets exemption, all churches get exemption.

The concern here is that if the government grants them the exemption, theyll use it to abuse the taxation system because theyre not a "real religion". They are missing the point, it would be easier, more just and cheaper to simply set up a government task force to snoop out and punish tax transgressions in tax-exempt organizations, than it would be to have a body determine what does and does not qualify as sufficiently spiritual to constitute religion.

I think this is what you meant, but I thought Id make the position more clear for anyone disagreeing.

The only thing that will influence their opinion is a body count. It's a simple military fact.

There is no problem with the ruling.

Jediism is a regonized religion in the UK, this article is about it being denied charitable status and given tax exemptions. Which isn't given to all religons, only those known to output loads of money as charities are given it.

If Jediism got this status simply for being a religion then it would be the perfect precedent for Scientology to get it and that would be fucked.

>tl;dr: if you want charity status, you got to do charitable stuff

>>18447111
is charitable status afforded to non-religious bodies as well?

>>18447111

What was fucked is that the Church of Scientology extorted the IRS of the US gubment in to giving them tax exempt status, and nobody fucking blinked.

>>18447142

Yes it is

>>18447153

This was indeed fucked.

>>18447167
>yes it is
Then I understand, the Jedi just need to pony up that cash. Its fair, stupid, but fair.

However Id like to note that that is a fucking retarded system since scientology is more than capable of getting the same status by shitting that hollywood money all over, and theyre the farthest from a charitable organization ever.

God damn UK get your fucking shit together.