So what's the difference between prayer and magick anyway?

Usually, when you pray, you needn't bleed a chicken out

>>18435327
Really? Don't most Abrahamic religions go on at length about animal sacrifice as a form of prayer?

>>18435337
Sin can only be forgiven via blood in Abrahamic religions.

Anyone thats a practitioner and doesnt sacrifice fell for the meme.

FUcker even required the blood of his own son be spilt before he listened to him about the common human.

>>18435340
Right, literal blood of the lamb and all that. So in what way is me bleeding a lamb out functionally different from me bleeding a chicken out?

>>18435344
Chickens go better with a wider variety of condiments.

>>18435349
I think eating it would defeat the purpose of sacrifice.

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>>18435317
The difference between prayer and magick is the righteousness of deed and timing. Think of it this way and you'll be right. God ha his own timing of things just like everything. When you drive there is a time to go and a time to stop. A time to go fast and a time to go slow. When you shop you have to wait in line because others were there shopping first.

Using the metaphor of waiting in line when shopping this is the difference between the magic user and a prayer.

Magic user:
>Be a magic user
>Need thing
>Go to store
>Pick thing off shelf
>Go immediately to the self-checkout register
>Pay for thing
>Leave

And here is how a prayer would do that same task if he were in the same situation as the magic user
>Be someone who prays
>Need thing
>Go to store to get thing
>Pick up think off shelf
>Move toward self-checkout ever aware of the people and things around me and how I fit into the grand scheme of life
>See a line. See a magic user ignoring the people who were there first and go straight to a checkout machine
>Wait in line because I SEE the people who were there first and I UNDERSTAND that they have the right to get what they came for before me because they also need it
>Arrive at self-checkout
>Pay for my thing
>Leave


Do you get it? Magic users have no regard for others, the timing of the universe and god, or how their actions affect others. Either through spiritual blindness or outright wickedness. Prayers generally DO understand that they are part of a larger whole and thus care for the needs of that whole exactly as they care for the needs of themselves, neither being seen as more or less important than the other.

>>18435360
So in your view, the only difference is that practitioners of magic are Goofus and people who pray are Gallant?

If both magic and prayer can be described as manipulating supernatural forces via thought and will, does intent play no part at all?
What about people who pray for selfish reasons? Or magic users who are capable of understanding enough about a situation to be aware of its true impact?

>>18435380
Basically. In my mind magic users can't see past their own nose so they take too much or things rightfully meant for other people. People who prayer are more circumspect and say "If god wills it." because they know God sees all and can't do bad by anyone so if he wills it then there is nothing to worry about if it would have better served someone or if it would actually end up hurting me.

>>18435414
Think of it like calling the cops vs being a vigilante.

>>18435414
>>18435420
So you're saying the difference isn't so much in the act itself as it is in the general mindset of the people who tend to practice it.

Is that really ALL there is to it?

>>18435414
Eh. I disagree. I see that as taking an over-simplified view of something far beyond your level of understanding.
There are many paths to God. Devotion and prayer is a beautiful route, and in no way am I saying it's 'less' than any other.
Coming into union with God grants different experiences, and magic being a form of such things.

Can it be abused? Most certainly. But so can devotion. Just look at what the churches accomplished.

>>18435483
Well if you have better words for it, then by all means. Explain away.

>>18435317
with magic you are supposed to effect the world with your will

with prayer you are making a request to an intermediary to effect the world

>>18435505
Really? Doesn't a lot of proper magic out there come on behalf of some sort of greater entity acting as a benefactor?

>>18435426
One is divine law, the other a sort of lone wolf, neutrally inclined way of doing it. More independent, basically mandate or free independent study. Gods have rules or conditions, mortals can choose to live by their own instead.

>>18435522
So what kind of rules and conditions does Buddhism put on prayer and meditation?

>>18435529
No clue, Buddhism is a very strange religion. Also not all religions, are exactly as they appear. Meaning some Gods are false, used as ways to trick and manipulate mortals into believing them. Others simply the message got skewed in the translation (Wrong interpretation).

I can't really vouch for the accuracy nor the rules regarding Buddhism is the simple answer. I will however say it is the most alien, not many religions teach their practitioners they can become Gods themselves.

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>>18435317
Both are done by delusional fags in a desperate attempt to better their pathetic lives.

>>18435488
Existence itself is multifaceted, there are layers to reality. Our gross, physical realm, the subtle realm, the causal realm, etc.
The cosmos is filled with varying levels of consciousness, and entities exist which traverse these planes as easily as one would drive across a highway, or fly in a plane, or walk down the street.

To understand how magic works, imagine a large, interwoven tapestry, comprised of individual threads that make up the whole (the whole being existence itself).

Magic is interaction with threads that generally exist beyond our basic levels of perception. If you give it a little tug, other threads are moved in reaction. It is utilizing the energy (in its various, invisible forms) around us, to achieve a certain thing, or be aided by it for a specific purpose.

Perhaps it's just a difference in how we see the role of God.
Everything is God. You are, I am, the energy around us is. To get to a point where you can actively interact with the subtleties of being, you MUST understand the inherent interconnectedness of it all.

That doesn't mean you can't do harm with it. It doesn't mean you won't fuck it up. But it means you're not 'pulling the wool' over on God. You're not tricking anything...
Often, the people who get stuck using magic for personal reasons fail to progress past that point anyway. And that is just sad to see.

Prayer, and the powers it holds, fall more in the devotional aspects of coming to God. It is most certainly more humble, but not any 'better' or 'worse'.
That, in my opinion, is a path dedicated to Love. Devoted to the unconditional love of God, and through it, you ultimately become that unconditional love. A most beautiful thing to be.

>>18435552
For sure.
I'm having a pretty great time with it.

>>18435554
Alot of wisdom and love in that post. Thank you for sharing that with other Anons, God bless you my friend.

>>18435558
Thanks, God bless you too. :)

>>18435317
There isn't one. You say some words, and go through a little ritual begging something to do something for you because you are too lazy/incompetent to do it yourself.

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>>18435317
prayer is an opening up to god for the divine grace to abide in his will. the petitioner may ask for guidance or strength in accomplishing this task. the sacrifice made in prayer is offered on the altar of the petitioner's contrite heart with the hope that his request might serve in glorifying god, who is his strength and source of life.

magick is done by people who were not loved by their parents as children because they felt humiliated for what their neglectful parents failed to teach them about life. now they seek to fill this lack of knowledge by making satanic pacts that might give them the control over the world that they lacked when they were vulnerable. they are living lives of self-punishment and are afraid to own up to the reality of their wretchedness which only a confrontation with the divine can sort out.

It`s the difference between a request and a command.

>>18435317
In actuality, nothing.

>>18435340
It's the willingness to spill blood. It can be argued that Abrahams hand was caught by God before he killed his son.

>>18435317

Prayer uses your Wisdom score, Magick uses your Intelligence or Charisma score

>>18435317
Both are useless in real life

>>18436629
how is that a difference?

>>18436611

:^)

>>18435349
True but lamb has better potential for flavor when seasoned and cooked correctly

t. >>>/ck/

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>>18435351
Not if you pour the blood on a stone cairn for blodzing, or if you decapitate it in one blow for Kali-ma.

The blood from a fresh animal, once spilled is drunk by the earth, it leaves no stain as it disperses. Blood is totally a good offering to a tree, or a plant. chlorophyll is just the mangnesium version of hemoglobin.And they use iron to grow. So basically, when you sac an animal you are inviting these spirits to eat.

Saying "Hey, nigga, Let's grill up some oldshool goodtimes"

It connects you back to your roots, regardless of what human culture's concept made you feel enough love to dive into it, and accept that meat is a murder, but you love your God/dess enough to continue to be strong. (vegetarians are weak, deal wiith it) Chicken tendies = close up creepy porn from russia.
Animal sacrifice is more like sexual exploration, a caveman has discovered fire, and so he pours the blood of a bird into it so it could stay longer the 2nd time, the third time, he realized that fire gets rid of feathers, and so he ate his roasted bloodless dove as a sacrament made possible only by the gods.

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>>18436716
Now all main sacrifcial rituals have fire.
Every one, excepting those of fire-hating spirits and stuff.

this is easily explained by most religions as fire being a messenger.

But let's be real, you gather up the townsfolk to watch you kill a beast and then not eat it? what are you a wolf? that beast can feed man and god simultaniously.

In hinduism, spirits eat smells, if you've never walked in someone's house, and they're's goood smelling from scratch-food wafting through the air, it pleases the ancestor spirits, and can change your future.

>>18435351

No, eating the sacrificial animal is how animal sacrifice is practiced in most cultures.

That is why goats and chickens are the most often sacrificed animals - globally they're the 2 most popular livestock.

The sacrifice is the ritual death of the animal and processing of its body, not the body itself. Zeus doesnt need you to let a goat corpse rot in the Sun for a week, that serves no purpose.

The meat of the sacrificed animals is to be consumed in ritual celebration and homage to the deity.

You can read all of this in occult texts or even on wiki, most people have animal sacrifice completely backwards - it isnt about wasting meat and leaving a corpse with its throat cut.

It isnt even about taking the animals life - many cultures believe the animal recognizes its place in the ritual and goes willingly. As in it ISNT murder, the animal understands and is a part of the ritual.

>>18435317
Praying means you ask nicely for what you need and trust with faith that god will give it to you. Magic is an attempt to take by force of will what you were not given by god. The first is an act of humility the second a selfish evil act.

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>>18435360
>>18435554
>>18435709
Well said!

I find it fascinating how this occult stuff is so clearly a perversion of the holy. It makes me question the creativity and freewill of evil. Our intentions must have some legalistic authority over extra dimensional space/time and entities. Neat!

>>18435317
prayer is you being gib me dat

magic is you being a rapist. struggle all you want reality its going to happen

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>>18435682
Sorry you only made it that far, Anon. :^(

>>18435360

It's possible to do both. I can use intent to manifest the thing, and still wait in line at the check out. I can be thankful for god for providing the stuff that turned into the thing, and be thankful for god providing me with the gift of will to manifest the thing.

>>18435505

That's a great way to put it. I'm of the belief that god helps those who help themselves, that everything we ever want or need already resides inside all of us, that if you take action and try to do good, god will 'work out the details'. If you look at human history, there's a huge chunk of time before sustenance farming, for millennia people prayed, did rain dances, but once someone figured out farming, which was a process of intent + action (fuck plowing this field, I will make a machine to plow the field instead), our modern world can only take place once sustenance farming exists. The fact I don't need to hunt, to fight for food, is what created the space for modern humans, which allowed for the computers we're using to converse & transcend space time right now.

The thing is, praying for food didn't do anything, because god makes the stuff exist in the first place. What happens to the stuff after that point is left to us, we can dance in a field and pray for rain, or we can go god, thank you for the field, thank you for giving me hands, I'll take it from here.

>>18436884
Thanks pastor, im gay now.

>>18435317
Prayer is when you beg something from a divine entity.
Magick is when you do paranormal shit with your own inner power

Magick is like following a recipe and cooking something to suit your exact needs.

Prayer is like ordering a pizza. Quick easy and filling, but you can never really be sure what you're getting.

>>18435554

Really insightful post anon, especially the god in everything aspect. Especially describing it as 'pulling a thread'. Like 6 months ago, I was talking to a friend, talking about how I keep noticing little things about reality, saying I've noticed this thread thing that seems to be going through it, should I pull on it? Months later, I've pulled on the thread, gone down the magick rabbit hole. Rational, logical mind has been truly BTFO.

Knowing that you and the other aren't separate events, that you're deeply connected to everything else all the time, fun stuff starts happening. To me magick is just a tool, albeit a really powerful tool, like a hammer you can build a house or murder your neighbor, it all comes down to intent, love or fear.

>>18435709

I wonder how that confrontation would go anon. So god, why did you leave me, an innocent child, in the hands of neglectful parents? Why do you leave innocent beings with people who wouldn't provide them with love & instead humiliated them? I have wounds that are so deep, that even though they have healed, there is so much scar tissue that it keeps me cut off from the love that is my birthright.

Sorry anon, I left you with those wretched people because while I could have saved you from suffering at any time with my awesome omnipotence, I didn't, because, well, why the fuck would I? I could have saved your parents too, saved them from their parents, but again, why the fuck would I? Instead I chose to make these other, loving people, who raise healthy, well adjusted people instead, so that you can always see them and go through life knowing that yes, love does exist, there are nice parents, just not for you.

But you know anon, now that I've said it out loud, and realized how it makes me seem like a complete dick, I feel bad, I probably should have given you some of that love shit when you were a kid, I know I can't go back and fix it, so here's the cheat codes for reality, it's called magick, knock yourself out.

>>18436884
>It's possible to do both. I can use intent to manifest the thing, and still wait in line at the check out. I can be thankful for god for providing the stuff that turned into the thing, and be thankful for god providing me with the gift of will to manifest the thing.

No you can't.

>>18436941
I'm sorry to hear your elaborations on this brokenness my brother. I have gone through some similar things, and while I never ventured into the occult, I did have gnostic tendencies. Addiction to pornography is a similar phenomenon. Parental neglect makes us feel as though something is being hidden from us, and so we take delight in accessing something which is normally concealed from our eyes (naked bodies). Sadly, these things (magick, pornography etc) are a then veil over endless darkness and cannot save us from our own wretchedness.

God gave us all free will, and so you were subject to these torments not because God took delight in it, but because he needs to defend this principle of free will so that true love can exist in the first place.

Perhaps your scars will always be a thorn in your side (2 Corinthians 12:7), but maybe God is offering you the grace to amend your life and protect others from the evil you have experienced by making of yourself a holy example. There's only one way to find out.

http://www.chastitysf.com/q_bad.htm

>>18435317
Magic is mostly utilitarian; you perform magic to change the world. Prayer is mostly a contemplative practice or a form of worship; you pray to change yourself.

Of course a lot of people pray to change the world or do magic to change themselves, but these people are morons.

>>18435317
>Prayer: "Oh spiritual, help me see it your way"
>Magic: "Oh me, make spiritual see it my way"

>>18437129

No, you can't, I can. It's possible to believe that the divine is in everything, in self and other, enjoy separateness.

>>18437235

Saying God needs to defend free will is a cop out, it would also mean God himself had free will, and uses it to let people weaker than him suffer needlessly, then what does that say of his will? Why would I pray to a God who uses free will to allow evil? Also, should I use my free will to protect those weaker when, even when God himself won't even do that? You realize that would give me the moral high ground... In an argument... With God. That is ridiculous.

I'm personally on the more gnostic inclination, I believe in a true unknowable God, of light and love, of oneness, not separation, of forgiveness, not judgment. The false God, the demiurge, demands worship, demands suffering, he is the cosmic artist trying to create art, and the only way to create good art is through suffering, so we go around in a long, recursive loop of existence. The garden of eden would make for a terrible movie, Noah on the other hand was a hit. I don't mind though, I live with compassion and grace thanks to the connection to the true, unknowable God.

The true God exists beyond language, love and forgiveness has no need for judgment and suffering, they are nothing more than prisons we make for ourselves that feed the demiurge. As long as the demiurge is creating, there will always be evil, suffering, pain, hardship, for that is the consequence of leaving oneness, but I can with the grace of the true God and with the will he provided me, choose the path with the least suffering. Magick, intent + action, or as I like to refer to it, manifesting, is the tool the true God gave us to tap into our birthright and remember who we are and where we come from. It all comes back to intent, a satanic ritual asking for wealth and power over others pulls energy from the same void as Jesus with his gift of fish and wine, the only difference is intention.

Nowadays prayer is more passive while magic(k) is more active. Back before biblical times they were essentially one in the same, ceremonies were a form of praying and the sacrifices were very actively trying to channel the favor of the gods.

>>18438352
>It's possible to believe that the divine is in everything, in self and other

That's not what you said. That isn't the idea I rejected. Stop being a dumb bitch.

>>18436783
basic anon is correct.

>>18437304
Zas, en toda la boca.

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Please help to me anyone. I don't pray and I believe that biblical religious people tend to have the lowest iq. I don't believe in superstition or magic of any sort. That is what at children enjoy making up.
What I do is make wishes, death wishes and bad luck curses. They keep coming true. It is almost frightening. I am not a bad person by any means, not to sound conceited, but by any definition or standard, I am a good person. How is this happening? Is there anyone else on this earth that does this stuff? I'm I not supposed to tell any one about it? I kind of wish it was just sheer coincidence but I need some help and answers about it. I want logic and proof to explain how these magics happened. I would expect 99.9999% of all humans to have ever existed never have experienced magics or supernatural, regardless if they claimed they did. In fact if anyone else makes a claim of magics, I know they are internet trolls lying. Of all the people I wished to die, they die. I know they were bad people, so they certainly deserved to die. Can , and has anyone else here casted curses and wished death and have them all come true? I do not wish for greedy or selfish reasons. My life is fairly lucky and happy. Any input would be very appreciated.

>>18438478
we don't know to what extent our sins cause the sufferings of this world. God is unknowable, as you say. His essence is incomprehensible to us on this earth, deprived of the beatific vision, but we can still fight for the prize of heaven by conforming to his will. Even though his essence is now unreachable, we still experience his energies through his sacraments.

God does exist beyond language as well. You see, when god created the universe he allowed man to name things, because language has no meaning beyond its frame of self reference. The truth is ineffable, because it was contained in Jesus' mystical body, not in any law code or mere words.

the good things asked for in prayer are meant as a means to some other end (heaven), not as a self reflexive loop of despair (food, power, money, sex, knowledge).

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>>18438871

Hey guys. I need to test my theory. I just made a death curse against some guy I hate. Why? Because I know he is evil. I saw on Facebook that he has a baby, and I cursed that he will accidentally cause the baby to stop living, this week! Like I can almost feel it. It is going to happen this week. I want him to hurt so badly!!!!!! I am so excited. I will post news reports of the death when it becomes available.

>>18435317
Prayer is your will coming into agreement with God's will to change the world around you. It works because of God, not you.

Magic is narcissistic mental masturbation in the hopes that you can impose your will upon God's, which is pure folly. That's why it doesn't work.

One is done in humility, wisdom, and faith, the other in pride, which was an original sin created by Satan himself. Not men. That's the difference.

>>18435340
>Sin can only be forgiven via blood in Abrahamic religions.

The only reason prayer works is because Jesus, Son of God, shed His blood to cover the sins of Humanity so God can even hear you, as a sinful being. Animals don't work anymore, that's why the Jews don't sacrifice. It stopped working. Or else they would still be doing it.

They still won't accept Jesus though, and that's why so many prayers go unanswered.

Proverbs 21:3 ESV / 80 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful

And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins.

"But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God. Since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool, because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy."
(Heb. 10:10-14 NIV)

>>18439381
Malicious curses like this often backfire. Hope you are not feeling sick or anything, would still go to a doctor to check health if I were you.

>>18435317
they're spelled differently
prayer has an extra vowel (the e)

>>18435317
Jesus said when you pray do the Lord's Prayer.

This is because you are submitting to god who knows what you need and want.

When you do magic you specifically say what you want and need.

It's like saying "I need an expensive car" instead of leaving god to decide what you want/need

There isn't a difference. Never really has been or will be. The idea that there is a difference was invented by Constantine and early Church to explain why worshipping anyone other than the Christian god was Bad, allowing for cultural/social/political domination of their chosen paradigm.

If you study the rituals as they are performed, in the context of their cultures, they all basically serve the same purposes.

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>>18440351
>Malicious
Youch. You just described me perfectly. I love suffering of others, but ONLY if they are evil or ignorant. So I guess you can say I love it when bad people get what they deserve.

I just sent another online death curse to a stranger a moment ago. Jason from NC has a wife named Virginia, she is sick and in pain. And I cursed her to die, tomorrow. Jason from NC has Proverbs 29:6 on his profile.

"In the transgression of an evil man there is a snare: but the righteous does sing and rejoice."

Oh my goodness. Jason_NC is the evil man who has transgressed, as punishment there is a snare for him, I will sing and rejoice when he is snared. How ironic this universe felt the need to show me that.

>>18441043
YOU'RE A MONSTER!

>>18435327
Sure, it's not like christian communion has symbolic sacrifice of body and blood, right?

But yeah, OP's got a point. You're calling upon a powerful being to help you with shit by using rituals, and shit gets even weirder when consider non-Abrahamic religions, or religious mysticism traditions like Kabbala or Voodoo.

Any assumption they're different requires inherenet assumption that god you personally believe in is totally not a demon, even though worshippers of Baal though YAHWE was a demon, and now Abrahamic religions consider Baal a demon.

Difference between what's "prayer" and "magic" is basically a political opinion. I mean, theologists basically agree that difference between angels and demons amounts to basically different political views.

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>>18441051
>YOU'RE A MONSTER!

No you are wrong, Jason from NC is the monster. He is only paying for that.

He asked me to wish that his wife would be healthy and to leave the hospital tomorrow. I pondered until I read his bible quote. We have to wait until tomorrow for my judgement now.

>>18441043
"So I guess you can say I love it when bad people get what they deserve. "
What did his wife do, exactly?

Nah, sorry, you're just a shitbag who tries to rationalize his sadism. A murder attempt at a completely random bystander to hurt him? Hell, if he actually is a bad person, his wife probably already has suffered a lot from him.

>>18435317
The physical implementation, whether sought or practiced.

>>18441081
I like how you have put appropriate reaction image on your own post.

>>18436783
>doing things for yourself instead of groveling as a beggar is evil
Noise.

While it's possible to use evil means to get things for yourself, it's patent nonsense to say that the very act of _doing it yourself_ is bad.

>>18441081
Matthew 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets

>you sack of shit.

>>18436783
>Implying you can actually force beings more powerful than you to do anything and they're basically not just humouring you by following certain rules that work basically like laws

>>18436795
AiwassLam=AyyLmfao

CONFIRMED

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>>18441086
" She has had at least 1 concussion, which lead to seizures. She has a degenerative neurological condition called CMT which causes chronic pain. As a result she has accidentally OD'd on pain meds a couple of times. Now she is having issues with her kidneys"

His wife didn't do anything but Virginia is definitely dying and has been suffering endlessly. We didn't cause that, but why would you not want to grant her peace in death?

On this giant world there can only be so many people that you meet. If by chance some shitbags enter your life, it must be fate, you deal with them, not ignore or coddle them. I hate and curse all the scum that cross my path. The universal forces at play is out of my hands, I just help out whenever I can.

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>>18441128
>Matthew 7:12
Even your laws of morality supports me.
"do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets."

The only thing I do is seek to bring about righteousness and justice to others. I want all others all live the exact same way.
Since I only would bring good upon good people, then I expect those good people to do the same, since I am such a good person.

>>18435317
one will get you into heaven, the other will send you to hell.

>>18441173
so, what makes jason from NC an evil person, exactly?

>>18441173
you sound like a hude dork. send a deathcurse my way, i'll let you know when it doesn't work.

>>18441439
huge woopsies.

>>18441173
>"since I only would bring good upon good people"
>by sending them a death curse
>totally not an idiot

>>18441173
>>18441137
>>18441081
>>18441043
>>18439381

>iamafaggotpleaserapemyface.gif

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>>18441434
:(

I don't know. All I know is that he is devout Christian. Willful ignorance to believe in false religions is sin enough for me. Let us pray together that I am just a fool in need for forgiveness and that death curses cannot be real. We will find out tomorrow.

>>18441497
we dont need to pray for that.

if it doesnt work, and you prove to yourself that you are a fool, will you ask for forgiveness?

>>18441497
the reason why he is a devout Christian is because he has humbled himself enough to accept the only Truth. the reason why you believe that its evil is because you have been decieved and everything you think you know is a lie.

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>>18441439
>you sound like a hude dork. send a deathcurse my way, i'll let you know when it doesn't work.

I refuse. I know nothing about you, it would be reckless and irresponsible.
I can send you a gentle harmless bad luck curse. I hardly know how they work or its limits over the internet. But I know they work if I am specific about it.

I don't know what, how about spiders or mice? That seems harmless enough. I send you a mild curse of rodent and spider infestation, in the dead of winter this will be highly unlikely, hence the proof of the curse of it does happen. I have done this before and it is really f'ed up. Keep an eye out my friend.

>>18441548
i rebuke your actions, i deny your curse, and i am not your friend.

>>18440999
>There isn't a difference. Never really has been or will be. The idea that there is a difference was invented by Constantine and early Church to explain why worshipping anyone other than the Christian god was Bad, allowing for cultural/social/political domination of their chosen paradigm.
>If you study the rituals as they are performed, in the context of their cultures, they all basically serve the same purposes.

but your trips.

>>18435317
prayer you ask angels or god for help which comes slowly.
Magick you ask demons for help that might help you real good but its never woth it because they will most likely plot on you to fuck you up and even if not you will get punished by god for indulding into magick. You all got fooled by harry potter to try magick which is not really your magic but demons letting you think their powers were yours

>Prayer = You're somebodies bitch asking for a favor
>Magic= May or may not be somebodies bitch asking for a favor

If you're asking God to grant you wishes like a genie you're doing it wrong. That meme is a remnant from paganism, and is very Catholic. Prayer is supposed to be about expressing gratitude and focusing on God. In this case prayer is like a sort of meditation, not at all like magic.

>>18443395
prayer is better used as thanking instrument. Be thankful for a roof over the head and health/food water. If you dont show grattitude and you keep on being rude it may be taken fro you someday. Its more a relationship of trust than begging for favors

>>18443451

I agree, but based on what the OP asked, it seemed as though they were asking how it worked as it pertains to manifesting change; That was my snap inference anyway. Hard to tell for sure when the OP isn't very good at communication, in my opinion.

>>18435317
Prayer is useful to commune with a perfect & merciful God. Magick is used to commune with lesser spirits.

Its easy, do you tread the wide road or the narrow path? Are you a lamb or a goat? LOL we all get a pick and an opinion.

But it is clear, many scoffers would come toward the end. It is also clear every knee will bow to the king before its all over. We shall see.....

>>18435340
That's because Yahweh is a demon and the gnostics were right.

>>18443996

Pretty much. I mean just think about it,

Huge religions in power for extended periods of time, millions of followers, all codifying their combined will with the most potent of hyper-sigils, leads to things like a plutocratic elite, the dark ages, endless wars, usury, prolonged human suffering.

Times when humanity picks up and suffering drops, renaissance (humanists rejecting tradition), leading to the modern age (scientists rejecting assumption), leads to right now where we are communicating ACROSS THE PLANET using nothing more than our will, as if it's no big deal. Whenever humans help themselves, we are rewarded with love, joy, abundance and less suffering.

I am literally putting my thoughts, in your head, from thousands of KM away, instantly, and it's nothing! The human life span has tripled, childhood mortality is 94% lower than a century ago in first world countries, if you're a mother you no longer have a 1 in 4 chance of dying when you deliver your baby.

Mathamatically we are in the long peace, historically there has never been a point like right now, where since WW2 war is at the lowest point, ever, in our total collective history, even though we have the capability to wipe the planet clean of ourselves 10 times over. Even if you are the poorest human on the planet, you are still statistically going to live twice as long as you did 50 years ago, there has never been a better time to be a human. But hurr durr my end times.

None of this happened while people went to church, prayed to god and said hey god, could you just turn the suffering down a little bit? I'd like it if my wife didn't die delivering out baby, like her sister, and her other sister.

Now what's more likely, that god is an absolute, massive dick, or that human will has been mis-appropriated en masse thanks to a demiurge, and that the real, unknowable god exists, just beyond the veil. You can believe in god, and pray to god, and also believe in magick.

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>>18441613
>i rebuke your actions, i deny your curse, and i am not your friend.

This is the problem with cursing against anons, how do I even know if this is the original poster replying, now I have to potentially waste another curse on this guy also. Why would anyone who had the slightest uncertainty about the existence of real witches invite and provoke a witch. And I can't ever verify these unless op posts a pic of curse working, I get nothing from this. You don't believe in curses, yet you sarcastically invoke a greater power to protect yourself, just in the slightest impossible case that witches are real. That won't save you. Your tune will change and your entire belief system will be thrown out the window. No one on earth will believe you. You are getting real life "Gaslit", my friend.

>but your trips.

trips speak truth. the question is resolved

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fuck anons, quit cursing yourselves.

>>18444265
u tripped again good sir

>>18435317
One is an imaginary concept created by religious cults. One is an imaginary concept created by occults.

>>18435317
Magic is a closed circuit where you draw power from nodes you can't normally access. Prayer as in religion is to deposit faith in something that's completely out of your reach and understanding.

This is confusing because a lot of people use magic not as a closed circuit but as prayer, but this is just to trick yourself into produce a result, you're doing the whole thing without realizing, symbolism and ritual are just tools to help you reach a certain state of mind, as in a trance.

I'd say 98% of people practicing magic won't get any result because it's too hard nowdays to develope a genuine devotion strong enough to trigger results.

I am a logic person but i've seen magic in action one time, is one of those things that make you change perspective.

>>18445722
That's not trips you fuck.

>>18435317
what can I do with blood magic that I can't do with regular magic? Is it worth it?

Prayer is right hand path, magic is left hand path

>>18445791

Not a single thing. The only thing it impacts is efficacy, and that's only if you're the magical equivalent of a scrawny little bitch.

>>18445791
Make a baby

>>18435317
Nothing, they're both just empty words. but have fun with the RPers answers.

None. Both draw power from the same font. The thing is, magic is more "scientific", which means it knows how to apply the forces applied by prayer so that it works better. Prayer works upon intent, gratefulness and welcoming. Magic does the same, but by other means.

Prayer is a sort of magic, but not all magic is prayer.

>>18445724
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