Looking for ambitious students for Vajrayogini

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>>18412535
Until I reach the sublime state of Enlightenment:
May I not praise myself and belittle others.
May I not forget to share my wealth and the Dharma with others.
May I not forget to forgive others even if they apologise.
May I not doubt or deny the doctrines of the secret tantra path.
May I not steal objects that belong to others.
May I not cause any monk to disrobe.
May I not hold perverted views.
May I not destroy places such as cities, towns and so on.
May I not teach emptiness to those who are unworthy.
May I not discourage others from seeking Enlightenment.
May I not cause others to break their vows.
May I not belittle or disrespect those who follow the lesser and minor paths of Liberation.
May I not proclaim false realizations such as the realization of Enlightenment.
May I not establish harmful rules, legislations, or pass false judgement.
May I not give up the pledge for altruistic aspirations.
May I not forget to pay respect to senior monks and those on the path to Liberation.
May I not forget to teach the Dharma to those who ask for it.
May I not insult or treat with contempt somebody who has murdered one of their parents, murdered a monk, injured a Buddha, or spread hatred.
May I not forget to discard my vows if I am in a situation where holding onto my vows causes great harm to myself or others.
May I not distract others who are in a state of meditation.
May I not act out of thoughts of anger.
May I not gain disciples or followers simply out of desire for respect, greed, or material gain.
May I not be addicted to the joys of meditation.
May I not forget to help those who are in need for help.
May I not forget to help those who are sick.
May I not forget to remove the suffering of others.
May I not forget to give material possesions to those who desperatly need it.
May I not forget to praise those who have good qualities.
May I not use any miracelous or supernatural powers that I may have gained through meditation for the harm of others.

>>18412542
Samaya vows that must be held forever until the end of times.

May I never disrespect the Vajra Master.
May I never disobey the words of the Buddha.
May I never insult one of my Vajra brothers or sisters.
May I never abandon the love for all sentient beings.
May I never abandon the Bodhicitta aspiration.
May I never criticize the sacred Sutra or Tantras.
May I never reveal the tantric secrets to those who are unworthy.
May I never mistreat my own body.
May I never reject emptiness.
May I never be in company with those who disrespect The Buddha.
May I never forget or fail to remember emptiness.
May I never upset or disrespect those who have faith in The Buddha and the teachings.
May I never disrespect, upset, or abuse women.
May I never abandon or transgress the Samaya vows.

Hopefully we shall meet soon.

Sorry this conflicts with one of my previous commitments:

> Criticize whatever or whomever I feel as appropriate, including women, the Buddha, and your weird titty demon religion.

>>18412535
>path of Vajrayogini
Y'all niggas got any of them Hevajra initiations?
Because I could really use a proper Hevajra initiation.

>>18412682
Better yet, Rakta Devi but that's another story.

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>>18412682
Hevajra is an extension of Chakrasamvara, wich is an extension of Vajrayogini.
You can't understand Hevajra without doing the prior initiations.

Its like if you wanted to study particle physics while still being in kindergarden.

Also doing what you want and what you like only makes your ego stroger and defeats the purpose of the whole practice. You cant build a house without a solid foundation.
You become like a person who tries to save people from drowning, but cant swim himself.
Or like a blind person trying to lead other blind people.
Or like a man who is a great captain of a ship, but still ends up dying at sea.
Or like a deaf musician who delights others with pretty sounds, but who can not hear his own music.
Or like a blind painter who can see what he paints for others.
Or as a doctor who is skilled in medicine, but is unable to cure himself.
Or like a child who closes his eyes and stares into the sun to ask "why cant I see?"
Or like a person who wishes to stop a burning house with a single glass of water.
Or like a person who wishes to cut a tiny blade of grass without having hands.

One who only wishes to collect knowledge without practicing what he learned, is unsuited for the path.

>>18414094
>Hevajra is an extension of Chakrasamvara, wich is an extension of Vajrayogini.
Is this doctrine in the Tibetan schools?

Because I thought Hevajra was an extension of Kalachakra.

Got any Raktadevi materials?

>>18414100
No its the other way around:
Usually from top to bottom:
Kalachakra
Yamantaka
Hevajra
Chakrasamvara
Vajrayogini
Vajrasattva
Mahakala
Avelokitesvhara

The lower 3 can usually be skipped or done at the same time as Vajrayogini

>>18414100
dont know much on Raktadevi

>>18414100
Third party here. I know you are a known tripfag and swamp wizard around these parts. The question is, do you have the passion to challenge yourself and achieve enlightenment by becoming OP's apprentice?

>>18414120
>The question is, do you have the passion to challenge yourself and achieve enlightenment by becoming OP's apprentice?
Depends.
What school?
What lineage?
What's his take on Dorje Shugden?
What's his take on Saivism (which early Vajrayana tantras approve of)?

>>18414107
Then where does Green Tara fit in all this?

I thought there was no single lineal path through the Vajrayana tantras and it mostly became a matter of devotion and preference of Godform(s), and that in many cases these initiations were terminal as each has a daily required puja, and if I were to work ALL listed daily puja, then honestly I'd be better off in a monastery.

>>18414130
>What school?
My preferences are:
NOT Gelug.
Preferably not Sakya.
Maybe Nyingma.
Totes interested in Kagyu, for hopefully obvious reasons.
Lineage is mostly for research, though there are a few subsets of Kagyu that appear nominally more interesting than others.
The other two are litmus tests.

>>18414130
1+2. Karma Kagyu by His Holiness the 17th Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje.
Including Atisa, Nagarjuna, Tilopa, Naropa, Marpa Lotsawa, Jetsun Milarepa, and Gampopa among others.
3. Neutral, opinionless
4. No problems with it.

>>18414146
Buddha Tara is the peaceful emenation of Vajrayogini
There are 21 Taras each depending on what kind of emotion needs purifying, but all Taras are a manifestation of a single Buddha.

You are right. It is not exactly linear. You can focus on one deity and stick with it for the rest of your life.
You can do one deity for a few years and then move onto a new deity that is based on the previous one.
Usually your main deity will be the mother tantra and then later you add the father tantra, but the mother will still be the main one. (or the reverse, depending on your personality and lineage)

>>18414189
>but the mother will still be the main one. (or the reverse, depending on your personality and lineage)
Ok, hence my confusion.
I'm not really a Buddhist here. I have...some issues with the Dharma that are sorta like Rinzai.

>>18414189
>Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje
*sigh*
Is it in my rights to ask, like, about a timeline on you contact with the lineage? Before 2010? Before 2008?

You got an email?

>>18414203
ALSO, time for a knowledge lecture, because I got some questions.

>>18412535
^Easy cake.

>>18412542
>May I not praise myself and belittle others.
*grumble*
>May I not doubt or deny the doctrines of the secret tantra path.
Let's clear up some stuff via email (or this thread) first.
>May I not cause any monk to disrobe.
^So...wait, does this include Yoginis?
>May I not hold perverted views.
^Define "perverted", sexual? Theological?
>May I not teach emptiness to those who are unworthy.
Why are you even here? Would you not classify this board as 99.9999995627% unworthy? Or have you Attained?
>May I never disrespect the Vajra Master.
Is this up for interpretation or are we talking lineage heads?
>May I never criticize the sacred Sutra or Tantras.
Then, again, I'm REALLY gonna need to clear up some shit.

The rest of them are pretty cut and dry.

>>18414222
>Let's clear up some stuff via
What needs clearing up?
>does this include Yoginis?
It includes male and female monks that are part of a monestary (because they have taken a vow of celibacy).
If a Yogini is not a part of a monestary and does not have a vow of celibacy then the rule does not apply.
>Define "perverted".
Basically not behaving like an animal that can not control their desires. Like not looking at porn, not having sex with prostitutes or random strangers. Also not seeing tantric practice as an excuse for sex.
>Would you not classify this board as ..% unworthy
Yes. Thats why the vows are a filter. There will be several more tests after that, before the actual initiation.
>Are we talking lineage heads?
Yes only lineage heads, including the Buddhas who gave the tantras to the lineage holders.
>I'm REALLY gonna need to clear up some stuff
The Sutras and Tantras belong to the official words by the Buddha.
How you intepret them, because of limited mind is another story.
What needs clearring up?

>>18414282
>because they have taken a vow of celibacy
That's something that always sorta screwed with me, that's because of previous oaths before entry into the Diamond Path, yes? Which would imply the monastic vows are rather separate from initiated tantra vows. Now, normally speaking I'd need to take vows lower on the Buddhist tree of teachings as per the Pali Canon before being offered access to these teachings. How does this work over shitpostchan? Can I just forgo the Pali vows for monks?

>not having sex with prostitutes or random strangers
*cough* your lineage founder *cough*
Or is this admissible due to Milarepa's Buddhahood?
>There will be several more tests after that, before the actual initiation.
Is this a distance method or are you planning on actual contact here?
>Yes only lineage heads, including the Buddhas who gave the tantras to the lineage holders.
Sweet.
>What needs clearring up?
Almost nothing save my above points. I'm gonna grab a shower and probably record these vows is you're like half serious about this and your method of initiation can account for a distance empowerment (I HAVE seen lineally approved self-initiation methods; I've got one for...Vajrabhairava).

>>18414294
>distance empowerment
Or if you're near (doubtful) or travel would be relatively cheap (also doubtful) or if when the time comes I'd have the time (again, doubtful...but my summer should be open save an eclipse ritual for the Sabbatic Craft).

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>>18414303
>>18414282
While I'm sketching out a sufficient guru lineage for the oration of refuge should I go fish out my kapala and kangling for an offering of blood for Vajrayogini and her retinue of dakinis? Or is that overkill?

Finally, why should I do this instead of phoning my local Dharma Center?

>>18414294
>Can I just forgo the Pali vows for monks?
Yes. there is a difference between a monk and a yogi.
Usually someone who is a monk and becomes a yogi will abandon their monk vows, and may never become a monk ever again.
Altough a realized yogi may become a teacher for monks or a master of a monestary, or even a householder.
>Or is this admissible due to Milarepa's Buddhahood?
Yes. Those who have realized true emptiness can engage in those practices without having attachments.
Buddhism is a tool to achieve Buddhahood,
once Highest Enlightenment has been reached the Buddha will discard the tools.

Altough the consorts of the lineage founders where usually people who already had a good understanding of emptiness and Vajrayana.

*Marpa's, the householder approach. To an outside observer, he led a worldly life. He had a wife and a son, ploughed his field, fought robbers and drank beer. Yet his practice and realization are beyond any doubt.

*Milarepa, the yogi approach. Milarepa tried pretty hard to detach from worldly life and meditate in solitude. He didn't follow any conventions but radically did what was in front of his nose at any time, never mind whether it upset the people around him. As crazy as he may have seemed to his contemporaries, his practice and realization are beyond any doubt, too.

*Gampopa, the monk. He built monasteries, practiced in a structured way and gave structure to of the practices to this day. This is the life westerners expect from a holy man, and that, too, works.

A combination of all three is also possible.

>distance method.
Yes, like this.

>>18412535
look i see that you want to westernize buddhism and any buddhist would be like what ever since belief isnt a factor in the religion they dont care BUT

buddhism can be better thought of as a litmus test religion. you wont be judged but your progression is based on 2 things. experience gained and direction. direction can be thought of morally is you want but it boils down to gaining light or losing light

you go nowhere going back and forth. its not your place OP to tell people what to do or what they should do. since the evolution can go either way and core being may have chosen to lose light mostly over many lives and gaining light is now the longer path towards a higher level

you dont know. the only thing truly discouraged in buddhism is ending the path another is on

>>18414365
I already have one foot on the path, with my tools and Hevajra thangka I use to gate into Shiva. Given there's "no problem" with Saivism I intend to use Vajrayogini to gate into Raktadevi to ultimately self initiate into Trika.

If I reconcile myself with Buddhism inside of a school I already appreciate more than others, that's just a plus.

And if I attain to Boddhisattva, along the way, then the purpose of the Dharma has been fulfilled.

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Do it wizard! Steal his secrets! I believe in you!

>>18414342
You will not be needing those items for a while.

>why should I do this instead of phoning my local Dharma Center?
Dharma centers will be nice to you. Go there if you want to feel good.

>>18414365
Nothing of what you said makes sense. Do not share your words if you have nothing wise to say. Share your opinion only when its neccesery and let your deeds speak clearly.

>>18414385
>Go there if you want to feel good.
I like you.

>>18414385
>You will not be needing those items for a while.
Can I anyway?

>>18414398
>>18414385
Vows forthcoming....

>>18414437
My mics are all fucked up.
The Refuge:
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0U8tPX3lAHf

The Evokation:
http://vocaroo.com/i/s01JtmOex14Z

The 24hr vows and the intro to the continuing vows:
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1QOelLnZ2N3

The continuing oaths:
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0EhugZ8or5q

Samaya Vows:
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1y5xzhrWh3J

>>18414437
>>18414385
Now what?

I'm looking for a path to enlightenment. If anyone wants to the can kik me at littlepuppy1217. I'm more interested in vamachara and Kali but I'd love to talk to anyone.

>>18414484
>littlepuppy1217
I *just* took an oath against perving on strangers.

You want my library.
https://mega.nz/#F!9RowRSzI!HH6Uz0FVoAS5m48jETkVGQ
^This folder has two versions of an exoteric but tantric kali puja that a Vamacara initiate recommended to me.

At the end of the day the Saivists worship Kali on the trident as the outward expression of his power. The Shakta materials in their given folder are a bit light and incomplete. But this should be enough to get you on the Sri Yantra.

You should also understand that at a certain level Vajrayogini is an emanation of Kali.

>>18412535
I sum up the buddhic path of enlightenment as one of discovering unity.

I don't think its the right one for me, but I appreciate your attempts OP.

>>18414460
Wonderful, you are very smart. You can do it again, but start from the bottom of the vows to the top.
So first last of Samaya vow to first, then same for Bodhisattva vows and the 24hr.

Then meditate for about 5~10 mintutes, before recording the following 3 times in a row:
http://pastebin.com/j66jvQ6Y
After that meditate again for 5~10 minutes.

>>18414525
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0dBxy8Q2xDn
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1g8nNZXpKNt
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1g388KHuCzD

Dedication has to wait a minute, I have a prior engagement.

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>>18412535
I prefer the opposite method of enlightenment, indulging in whatever you please, and recognizing how meaningless it is

not killing has nothing to do with enlightenment, it is simply recognizing that a pointless rage is not worth killing over, thats the enlightenment, etc etc

but the flaw in buddhism is that it finds very little value in this world in the transition to enlightenment, which is pointless

enjoy the world around you man vOv if you wanna kill, kill, if you want to steal, stealm if you want to drug yourself into an early grave or piss off the pyramids be my guest, there is no value to the world, there is only value in the beliefs you hold

>tfw not buddhist
>tfw spiritualist Norse

>>18414704
you're like a pitiful little child. enjoy samsara for the next 500 lifetimes, cuck.

>>18414735
you're so focused on the ritual that you forget the lesson it teaches

>>18414741
Can you explain "pissing off the pyramids" please?

>>18414741
rofl

>>18414735
>>18414761
Uses "cuck" and "rofl"...
How are you yourself not a "pitiful little child"? You're just name-calling and giggling like a fool who thinks he knows the right way to go about living? You might as well enjoy your next 500 lifetimes as well for all it's worth.

>>18414755
Do what matters to you, whether thats pissing off a pyramid or becoming a serial killer doesnt matter, nothing has value except for the value you give it, that is the point of OP's teaching

>>18414775
But I don't understand how you can anger a structure in the shape of a pyramid? That's all. Is it meant to be a frivolous saying then? Sorry for not understanding, thanks for the response.

>>18414779
yes, it's frivolous, and whether that action angers such an entity or not is again, meaningless in itself, that situation and emotion has value because you give it value

>>18414784
Okay. Thanks again, take care.

So, I got home, and my mic went to hell. It's non-functional.

So, I can save the oration to record at a later day, if the thread stays bumped? At some level I feel this is a warning to approach no further than the basic oath at this particular moment?

Input from OP?

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>>18415641
>>18415641
Instead you can draw Varavihara's mandala(just need the general form, colors not neccesery). And print an image of her, including this mandala.
Later we also need green tea, insence and to bake cakes as offering.

>>18415750
>Instead you can draw Varavihara's mandala(just need the general form, colors not neccesery). And print an image of her, including this mandala.
I mean, I have no problem with recitations, just can't provide PROOF at the moment. Can easily obtain a new mic., it'll just take a minute (maybe I can identify the problem on mine in the meanwhile).

I'm rather well versed in Hindi puja, I've worked on the Sri Yantra before.

I have all those materials as a part of my normative ritual cycle.

Should I go about the regular ritual protocol; seating, etc.?

How appropriate would it be (as a side question) to make Vajrayogini the object of my regular Chod practice or is that mixing systems too deeply?

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>>18415767
You can mix with chöd. Regular protocol yes. You will also need to print this picture of Milarepa

>For the next 24 hours:
>May I not kill any sentient being.
This is really fucking with another vow I made with freemasons. We gotta move this enlightenment to another date.

>>18416098
Neat roleplay, can I join in?

>>18415750
I want to help bake a cake. I also love baking cookies.

>>18415995
http://lit.lib.ru/img/i/irhin_w_j/vajrayogini/guide_to_dakini_land.pdf
^Will I be following along in here or will you have a different puja?

>>18414179
Why not Sakya? I know a Sakya gompa, legit one in my area. The monk was initiated by a true lineage tibetan monk he even brings from time to time.

But I distrust the monk. I know him personally (from other place and before) and while I know he's a good man, I distrust his level of 'enlightment' and his ways of publiciting his gompa (hey guys, we do this, this and this on these dates... but it's secret, a super super secret because Sakya is the most secret! We'll do this, this and this but it's secret and not everybody should know this exists! This is a deity mandala but you shouldn't be watching it because it's secret), among other things.

Besides this particular case, does the Sakya school have something? I get the NO at Gelug.

>>18416791
Does this monk cast magic missile? If he got in a fight with OP who would win?
Thanks for your time.

>>18412535
I can upload this evening, can you stick around?

>>18416791
Just preference. I dig Milarepa's whole thing.

>>18415995
Hey bud I recorded first recitation of the Dedication last night. I didn't really expect to find you/this thread so everything's a bit drawn out. Instead of printing the mandala I used red sand to make one on my silver altar plate. My vessel is at the center by the root mantra. I placed Vajrayogini's image on my thangka, and Milarepa's on the proper edge of my altarspace.

I'll upload first recitation when I get back home.

I really wish it weren't finals week.

>>18412535

I suggest meeting on this discord if you are in need for a space to meet (also with other like-minded people).

https://discord.gg/xJEvZFE

>>18412535
committed to a ten day meditation retreat in a couple weeks, won't be able to do anything then, i'm down if that's not a problem

>>18416491
We more or less follow the general guidelines.
However I follow the instructions that my guru gave to me orally.

>>18417439
Yes, use an indentifying name please.
Follow all the instructions I gave so far, including one below.

>>18417637
Very good. Do the following instructions:
http://pastebin.com/zy91C4if

>>18417645
Thank you very much.

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>>18417757
Forgot Vajrasattva picture.

>>18417757
Again, it's gonna be a bit, but I'm more or less on it.

>chicken bone as a Vajra
Can I just use my vajra that's at the other end of my trisul, or maybe a rail spike as a kila? Or does it gotta be an animal bone?

>>18417762
OP, I'm interested but I have a question about times. Due to work and stuff I may not be able (now) to do everything one after another. Is it possible to take the vows and follow the guides approaching disponible time at one's own pace, or would you recommend to wait until one can do it non stop due to commitment?

Thanks for your insights

>>18417764
fresh animal bone.

>>18417774
I mean, he keeps replying to me favorably even though I've broken this up over two days.

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>>18417774
You do not have to do everything at once, but it has to be in the correct order.

Also on the 14th its the full moon. You need to have taken the vows before or on that day.
If you can not do that you need to recite OM MANI PADME HUM 108 times on the 14th and prostrate before a Buddha image 3 times.
Prostration instructions:
Palms together between eye brows (third eye) and say: BUDDHAM SARANAM GACHAMI
Palms together at your throat and say:
DHAMMHAM SARANAM GACHAMI
Palms together at your heart (not your biological heart, but your heart chakra wich is approx at your solar plexus) and say:
SANGHAM SARANAM GACHAMI
Put your knees on the floor.
Next your hands on the floor.
Finally your entire body on the floor with your forehead flat on the floor.
Then say OM AH GURU HASSA VAJRA HUNG
before standing up again and doing the next prostration.

Finally meditate for at least 15 miutes and visualize your own body rotting away with maggots eating you up. See your most loved ones their heads being chopped off by terrorists. Visualize your house with all your belongings burning up and dissapearing into nothingness.
Visualize your entire city being attacked by bombs with people screaming and so on.

After that you can participate again by doing the vows and the rest of the instructions.
For everyday from the 15th to the 28th that you have not taken the vows you will need to recite the mantra, do the prostrations, and meditate.

All instructions need to be completed before or on the 29th december, wich is the holy day of Vajrayogini.

>>18417781
>>18417832
Thanks

>>18412535
>>18412542

really taking an interest in Buddhist/Hindu art, what do these represent?

>>18418209
>what do these represent
Um...Vajrayogini.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vajrayogini

>>18417832
Proof of Dedication:
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0smqkJkLEhO
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1xeZGPqVXtw
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0Mii8YQPImc

>>18418323
hey ape why dont you stop sucking dick and start doing your own stuff

just a thought dont want to agravate you

>>18418340
I do work my own stuff. I'm writing a massive Sabbatic eclipse ritual for the summer to raise a Baetylus.

I'm reconciling SA, TAN, and the A.'.A.'. Rite of the Equinox into one ritual.

I'm (soonly) about to start on basic by the book Quimbanda to start working that into my personal rituals.

Dream yoga of Raktadevi has already been enticing w/r/t reconstructions of Para Puja.

You appear to be forgetting that in order to game any given system you must understand the rules.

>>18418323
>>18417832
O'Beloved and Blessed Guru, I gotta question:
So, there are a bajillion root mantras throughout these tantras. Saivism's rather more limited. I'm wondering: Each root mantra is tied to the heart for the purposes of these rituals. Am I to understand, then, these not as conflicting takes on the seat of the heart's desire, but rather a cycling through of the Tibetan letters to gain empowerment across some/many/all of them? What's a decent resource for Tibetan? Is there a Tibetan equivalent of Paratrisikavivirana that gives the significance of the lettering system in broad terms?

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Ape, why are you just making vows with strange people on the internet?

>>18418533
To obtain the empowerment of the Root Guru Milarepa.

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>>18418368
My guru who is Tibetan explained it to me as follows. (He does not speak english, only tibetan. I can only communicate with him through his main disciple and my secondary guru who speaks both english and tibetan)

Before Buddhism came to Tibet they did not have an alphabet or any good system of writing.
So when the first translators wanted to translate the Sutras and Tantras in Tibetan they invented their own alphabet. Wich is now the official writing system.
Because Sanskrit is a hard and very symbolic language to translate they based the new alphabet on Sanskrit to preserve as much as the original text.

Almost all the mantras are still in original Sanskrit, altough in the form of the Tibetan alphabet.
My guru said it does not matter if you visualise the syllables in Sanskrit, Tibetan, Hindi, English, Chinese or whatever, because the visuals are just made up of illusions. Its the actual meaning that counts.
There are some syllables that have meaning, especially OM, but not all of them.

You will understand more of what specific mantras and syllables mean as you follow the instructions. After that you can ask more questions on everything that is not clear.
I think there are some Tibetan dictionaries online, but the spiritual meaning of the syllables can only be found in the Tantras, however most of them have the same meaning as their Sanskrit equivelent.

The Buddha itself is not a 'being' with 'essence', but rather a 'non-concept' that is beyond all understanding and words. Neither existant, nor nonexistant; neither having form, nor having no form.
Because we humans, who are in samsara can not perceive anything beyond illusion, the Buddha manifests in the form of illusions so that we can understand the teachings.

>>18418695
All the Buddhas have 3 illusionary forms: body form, mandala form, and mantra form.
The body, mandala, and mantra form each contain all of the teachings of that Buddha in a condensed visualised aspect for us to understand instantly. Finally there is also the absolute form, wich is reality itself.

There are also some mantras that condense the teachings of entire Sutras in one mantra. So that everytime you recite that mantra you are reminded of that teaching.

The mantra OM AH GURU HASSA VAJRA HUNG is the root mantra of Jetsun Milarepa, who also practiced Vajrayogini.

Finally because our conventional bodies will decay and fade away we can not hold onto this. This is why we replace our conventional body with the illusion body of Vajrayogini. Because the illusion body is made out of illusions it is not subject to decay, death, birth, change, thirst, hunger, desire, pain, or suffering wich are one of the properties of a Buddha. Also we can use the illusion body even after death when our conventional bodies have dissolved.

>>18418695
>The Buddha itself is not a 'being' with 'essence', but rather a 'non-concept' that is beyond all understanding and words. Neither existant, nor nonexistant; neither having form, nor having no form.
>Because we humans, who are in samsara can not perceive anything beyond illusion, the Buddha manifests in the form of illusions so that we can understand the teachings.
I grok this fairly well, I was just curious about the cycles of root mantra.

>The mantra OM AH GURU HASSA VAJRA HUNG is the root mantra of Jetsun Milarepa, who also practiced Vajrayogini.
Hence the repeated orations.

>we replace our conventional body with the illusion body of Vajrayogini.
I've already been working toward this with Chod, though on Bon godforms.

Don't forget to note my recitations here: >>18418323

I plan on dropping my begged 5 and 30 into the first hands I see when I awake and start my day.

>>18418533
>>18418536
>getting tibetan empowerments on a tibetan yak herding forum
what in the name of fuck

>>18418767
Bruh, the CEO of Carl's Jr is the labor secretary, Linda McMahon of the WWE is the small business secretary.

>why can't I kali all these yugas?

>>18418801
no seriously though what the fuck. OP could be making shit up. he's probably snickering himself to sleep tonight.

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>>18418844
Could be.
But self initiations are valid initiations even if there's a question of lineage.

Anyway all this stuff appears to check out. In any case devotion is sufficient. I'm already pricing little stone Vajrayogini statues I can hang my skull mala on.

>>18418859
If self-initiations are valid then what's the point of lineages?

>>18418866
The oral side of the tradition, which, again, from my materials appears to check out.

So it's Vajrayana basically a family friendly Aghora Tantra?

>we'll drink blood, fuck our mother and eat human flesh
>but we'll do it in our mind so it's safe

Reminds me of the effects of LD on the body when doing exercise and stuff in the dream.

>>18418891
>family friendly Aghora Tantra
I'd say that depends HIGHLY on what Tantra you're looking at.

>but we'll do it in our mind so it's safe
For babby's first puja? Yes.

>>18412707
Hail Prince Stolas!

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>>18418916
What would be the purpose of doing such things IRL when you can attain the desired result by using the mind?

Genuinely asking.

Pic also related

>>18418930
>Advaita
Not really my preference.

In any case, each student will be approaching these materials with different flows of mindstream. No two rivers are the same, and we cannot stand in the same river twice. What initiation of the mind loosens the bonds against Liberation may not work for someone needing initiation of the body to loosen the bonds against Liberation.

Lokanath tells me my bonds have already been broken, and I simply need the liberation.

We shall see.

>>18418930
whoever painted this made ramakrishna look retarded

>>18418859
>self initiation
Where can I read more about this? Sounds rare

>>18419022
just repeat the mahamantra 666 gorillion times with reverence and you'll achieve liberation.

>>18419132
he huffed and he puffed but...

U suck lol

>>18419128
It is.
I have self initiation materials for Vajrayogini, for Vajrabhairava, and some light Kali work.

You can read about the gateway to Trika self initiation in Tantraloka.

>>18419206
when are you scanning that full thing, nigga?

>>18419458
The Vajrayogini one appears in the first google result.

Google vajrayogini self initiation. It even auto completes.

>>18419479
i meant tantraloka

>>18417747
>committed to a ten day meditation retreat in a couple weeks, won't be able to do anything then, i'm down if that's not a problem.
This is me, let me know if that'll be an issue. I can do whatever is needed by the 14th, or by new year if you post it here a few days before.
>>18417757
>http://pastebin.com/zy91C4if
It should be a full chicken, and this should all be done without interruption right? I'll have it up thursday if that works.

>>18414525
This pastebin is down
put it back up and i'll post it tomorrow if that's useful, otherwise i've taken the liberty of drawing the mandala

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>>18419717
I admire your dedication. Here is a new pastebin.
All pastebins I post stay up for 24 hours.

http://pastebin.com/U4hHBjqi

All you need is a fresh animal bone. Specifically one that you can hold comfortably in the karana mudra (pic related) for wich a chicken bone is most suited.

If its a full chicken, half a chicken, quarter chicken or a double chicken, a chicken with 2, 4 legs or 6 legs. It does not matter. The consuming of meat is part of the ritual though.

Its better if everything is done without interruption, but not neccesery; the important thing is the correct order.

>>18412535
All paths are true in their own light.

>>18419717
forgot the important part, then lost my internet connection.
here it is
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0A2tgH8P7px
http://vocaroo.com/i/s013p2wHQpDO
>>18419826
>http://pastebin.com/U4hHBjqi
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1To3kjsq4jU
>All you need is a fresh animal bone. Specifically one that you can hold comfortably in the karana mudra (pic related) for wich a chicken bone is most suited.

,thanks, any preliminary practices or studies I should start on

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>>18420003
>any preliminary practices or studies I should start on?

You can read the following selected texts of the two great masters of whom you praised earlier.
Those majestic ones who started and completed the path before you.

http://pastebin.com/FFtkr0Kt

Contemplate and meditate on what you have read.
Let it seep into your mind.

I will clear up any misunderstandings you still have after you have meditated on their profound words.

~
Praise to the Buddha, the Dharma and the Sangha.
May you arouse deep compassion, gain insights, and quickly achieve Liberation.
May this activity and all other activities that we perform bring immeasurable benefit to all sentient beings.
May all our deeds be pure by keeping the Bodhicitta principle and remove the suffering of all.

>>18420267
bump.

>>18420267
Hey OP, how long would you think it would take someone to reach Enlightenment? Years? Or only months? Or are you going to just say it depends on who tries?

But, I'm curious. How many years have you been attempting it? And, I assume you haven't, right? So, when would you think you might succeed? Any guesses?

Buddhism is half-sham and half-advanced meditation.

A lot of it is based upon emptiness which posit that there is no substantial reality, which isn't true. Energy can't be created or destroyed. Photons and probably electrons will exist forever.

However, Guatama did discover nirvana, a heightened level of awareness that is Cognitive Psychologies answer to the problem of suffering.

>>18421410
^This.

>>18421455
>that is Cognitive Psychologies answer to the problem of suffering
praise be to cognitive psychology!

>>18421455
sounds like me before I had my own soul

>>18421438
Thinking about how long it would take to reach Enlightenment is an obstacle to reaching Enlightenment.

If you want to get technical: in Mahayana it is said that the absolute Buddha was already Enlightened in the past, present and future. The relative 'conventional' Buddha Shakyamuni was just a pure manifestation of the Buddha-body(Nirmaṇakaya) in a specific part of time.

Everyone has Buddha nature, because that is ultimate reality. You can not see that, because your mind is clouded by illusions. Even the water I am drinking now is Buddha.

>And, I assume you haven't, right?
If I where to say "I am Enlightened" I would recognise that there exists a person "I" that can be Enlightened wich would deny Buddha's teachings on non-self, thus I would be still be grasping to a substantial self wich is delusional.

Because an Enlightened 'being' does not recognise a self, life, or non-life that 'being' would spontaniously help to reduce suffering without dwelling in any concepts. In fact suffering does not really exist. Anyone who sees suffering holds attachments to a view of a self, life or non-life

>>18421455
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n984nd55BqQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U43pXuGhEg8
Read Nagajuna's logic on emptiness.
http://pastebin.com/FFtkr0Kt

>Energy can't be created or destroyed.
True. Anything without substantial existance can not be created, nor destroyed.

>Photons [...] will exist forever.
What you call photons/electrons is just a concept you made for a collection of causes and effects.
All concepts in the mind are illusions.
I had a discussion 2 days a go with a good friend who is a physicist and said that the properties/attributes of particles merely arises because of interactions aka causes and effects.
That means properties do not have an 'inherent existence' wich agrees with Buddha's teaching on Sunyata (co-interdependent arising) aka emptiness.

Any further discussion would be useless. Wont respond to any more posts you make.

OP, what is your background (if you don't mind me asking). How long have you been doing this?

>>18422029
You're enlightened. I can tell because of this sentence.

>Because an Enlightened 'being' does not recognise a self, life, or non-life that 'being' would spontaniously help to reduce suffering without dwelling in any concepts. In fact suffering does not really exist. Anyone who sees suffering holds attachments to a view of a self, life or non-life

HEY EVERYONE! HE'S ENLIGHTENED! WORSHIP HIM!

He sent me the Buddhist dog whistle that only enlightened beings can see. He assumed I wouldn't narc him out for being enlightened but he was wrong.

>>18417757
>http://pastebin.com/zy91C4if
sorry, forgot to copy this down, could you repost please?

>>18412535
>define sentient

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>>18422970
http://pastebin.com/fC3JJHkj

>>18422976
All beings subject(experiencing) to suffering, rebirth, and death.

This would include the upper 3 realms of samsara:
Humans, gods(devas), demi-gods(asuras)
and the lower 3 realms of samsara:
animals, hungry ghosts, and hell creatures.

The Buddha told Subhuti, “All Bodhisattvas, Mahasattvas, should thus subdue their minds with the vow, ‘I must cause all living beings – those born from eggs, born from wombs, born from moisture, born by transformation; those with form, those without form, those with thought, those without thought, those not totally with thought, and those not totally without thought – to enter nirvana without residue."

>>18422029

Don't buddhists teach a true self? One without form?

What about the Samantabhadra Uncreated King Tantra where the Universal Self proclaims itself as the uncaused creator of all?

>>18423151
There is no self, everything is anatta.

>>18423167
What about the clear light of the void. do you believe in that?
Isn't that the union of emptiness and awareness?

>>18414356
>Those who have realized true emptiness can engage in those practices without having attachments.
Is this not irresponsible? It takes two to tango, as it were, and while one might have attained Buddhahood, the other likely has not. This would indicate that they likely are forming attachments in this process and are being "set back" on their path to enlightenment. I completely understand if the act requires both to be enlightened, however.

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>>18423127
>hell creatures.
Fucking niggers.

>>18423177

This is All esoteric new Age bullshit. Stop spouting this shit and learn the real Buddhism

>>18423151
True/Universal self = non self.
Its mostly a matter of semantics.

>Samantabhadra
My lineage calls it Buddha Vajradhara or the primordial Adi Buddha.

>is the UNCAUSED creator of all?
Anything that is uncaused is not subject to rebirth, death, or suffering. Therefor it is the timeless primordial Buddha. It is also how Buddha nature and all the Buddhas manifests.
So the doctrine of emtpiness still holds true.

>>18423177
Yes. Its the pure form of Buddha nature.
>>18423253
Where is the compassion?

>>18423204
A Buddha would not have to engage in any practices since he has already attained the highest of the highest.
In the case of Buddhisattvas who have attained a high realization of emptiness, but not Buddhahood would then need to use the combination of wisdom and compassion to best understand the situation so as to not cause harm to others.

Let me share you a story:
Once in the previous lifes of the Buddha he was a Boddhisattva (I forgot what he was called in that life, but lets just call him Peter for sake of simplicity).
Peter had taken a vow not to have sex for 40 thousend years, wich would gain a lot of merit. On the last day of his vow he was walking in the market and then a women came up to him and she said:
"You are the most beautiful man I have ever seen, please marry me"
Peter said "I have taken a vow of celibacy and if I where to break it I would go to the hell realms for billions of years"
The women then said "If you do not marry me right now, I will kill myself"
So Peter was in a dillemma. Either break the vow and go to hell, or not break the vow and cause the women to die.
Finally Peter decided out of compassion and non-selfishness to marry the women.
They where married for 18 years and had several kids.
When Peter died he was approached by the Buddhas who told him that, because he choose the life of the women above his own life he would not go to the hell realms, but instead get a precious rebirth and achieve Buddhahood very soon.

>>18423275
Thanks for doing all this OP.

Had weird af dreams last night w/r/t searching for the Dharma.

Dropped my cash in strange hands first thing this morning.

I just finished my last final. Gonna pick up some chicken on the way home from work tomorrow for the next part of the initiation (I wanna do it under the full moon for certain ritual purposes).

>>18423357
>>18423275
Also, what in the hell do I call you for the purposes of guru puja?

I feel silly as shit saying "THE OP" between the Gnostic Church and the rest of the Vajra lineage.

>>18423366
Stephen, will do. You can also use the name of my guru: Chodje Gawang Rinpoche.
I have zero knowledge and know nothing. I am just paraphrasing my guru. All credit is due to him.

Please describe me in detail what dreams you had. 3 Days a go I had a very auspicious dream, wich means inredibly good things will happen soon.

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>>18423458
Um, I dreamed I spent like an hour trying to get a vein to show so I could jam a fistula up there and then clamped it off.

Then I started trying to hook the business end to various godforms for a slow-drip of dat good Dharma.

Well, I went all "Requiem for a Dream" and when the veins started turning black I had a vision of Vajrayogini in clear resplendence.

She started confirming some of the things that Raktadevi imparted to me when I dreamed of her last.

I've been holding decent visuals on Vajrayogini since I dropped the cash off.

For the record I am NOT an IV user.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slITD_KGPWQ

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>>18412535
What happens if the vows are broken accidentally or intentionally? Do i get punished or something?

>>18423510
rip ur soul

Damn, am I still in time to be initiated? I've always had like a thing for Milarepa and Tilopa and I would want to learn more about them. I am pretty much a mundane but I'm willing to work hard in order to reach a better understanding and specially better accepting my condition as a human being.

I saw something about the 14th being the limit, is it still so? Would you take students that have absolutely no idea about your system?

>>18423565
"It is not necessary to understand; it is enough to adore."
~Crowley, Liber 333, Ch 21, 'The Blind Webster'

Understanding will then follow.

>>18417832
>29th december
Does that means this practice is done only in this month? Or can it be done on any month of the year?

>>18423510
>accidentally
Nothing, but it would mean you are not being aware of your body-speech-mind.
>intentionally
3 things could happen:
*You are born as a (animal)pet of a Dharma teacher. You can hear the Dharma, but not practice it, thus gaining no merit. Only humans are said to be able to both hear and practice the Dharma wich is why human rebirth is sacred.

*You are reborn in the hell realms. The amount of suffering there is beyond human understanding.

*Your guru absorbs all your negative karma and is reborn in the hell realms instead of you.

I have already seen that only 1 of my disciples will hold the vows. The others will not. I do not know specifically who or wich one.

>>18423565
>[..] that have absolutely no idea about your system?
Depends on this..
>willing to work hard

Do a speed course in Buddhism. You will atleast need know what the following are:
*4 Noble Truths
*3 Jewels
*8-Fold path
*Difference between conventional and absolute reality
*Meditation
*Karma

Read everything I have posted in this thread from beginning to end.
Then decide if you want to take the vows and participate.

>14th being the limit
Its a 'soft' limit. You can participate till the end of 29th. If you wish to participate after the 14th you must purify your negative karma for not having made the vows.
The instructions for that I made somewhere in a previous post.
The full moon will rise in ~20 hours, that means before that time you can participate without having to do the karmic purification ritual.

>>18423620
You need to do the big ritual every 29th of every month for the rest of your life.
If you dont, you will disrespect the Vajra master and break your vow.
After having broken your vow you have 24 hours to purify bad karma after wich you still need to do the ritual. Then your vow will be clean again. For everyday you have unclean vows you will harvest bad karma and a lot of suffering.
The smaller ritual you can do on any day.

>>18423684
>purify
By what method?

I'm already well versed with routine hard discipline. I'm great at keeping my rites. I'm not perfect, though.

The "big" ritual would be the full fire ablation puja, no?

>>18423711
>By what method?
i believe Stephen was referring to this
>>18423127
>http://pastebin.com/fC3JJHkj
which you've already done. Although that would raise the question of the significance of the 14th, as we had to do the ritual before it as well.

>>18423684
>You need to do the big ritual every 29th of every month for the rest of your life.
>If you dont, you will disrespect the Vajra master and break your vow.
I am in a false position, I've already taken the vow but i've also vowed to go on the retreat I mentioned here >>18417747 and won't be able to do any rituals on the 29th. What's my least bad option here?

>>18423764
The designation was 'preliminary', hence my question.

I'm actually here:
>walk 3 times around your house

>your position
Frankly I feel like we're coming off light on this empowerment. Other tantras have much stricter disciplinary requirements.

>>18423711
>By what method?
Take refuge in Buddha-Dharma-Sangha
Recite all the vows (24hr, Boddhisattva, Samaya) 3 times
If you are lazy recite the following mantra of Avelokitesvhara 108 times:
Namo Ratna Trayaya,
Namo Arya Jnana
Sagara, Vairochana,
Byuhara Jara Tathagataya,
Arahate, Samyaksam Buddhaya,
Namo Sarwa Tathagate Bhyay,
Arhata Bhyah,
Samyaksam Buddhe Bhyah,
Namo Arya Avalokite
Shoraya Bodhisattvaya,
Maha Sattvaya,
Maha Karunikaya,
Tadyata, Om Dara Dara,
Diri Diri, Duru Duru
Itte We, Itte Chale Chale,
Purachale Purachale,
Kusume Kusuma Wa Re,
Ili Milli, Chiti Jvalam, Apanaye Shoha

If you are lazy and dont have time: mentally recite the above mantra 108 times while going about you day.
If you are not lazy and have time: recite the above mantra 108 times.
If you are not lazy and dont have time: recite the compassion mantra 108 times:
OM MANI PADME HUM

>>18423764
>[..] was referring to this.
No thats the extensive purification wich is only done once for the initiation.

>What's my least bad option here?
Do the ritual wich I will later give completely mentally and in silence. Either that or the above instructions in silence. If you can neither do those I will give a different instruction for you.

>the full fire ablation puja, no?
Yes, but a bit different.

>>18423684
I didn't know about the specific 4 noble truths or the 3 jewels but they don't seem too difficult to understand — I'm interested in what can I learn from this.

Here is the audio of the first vows posted in this thread, apologize if you can't understand my broken English

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0zRsMI1LhNp

As I said Milarepa has appeared a few times in my life and I'm curious as to what does he have to teach. Since you say this is very close to milarepa and tilopa I'm definitely interested in learning. Tell me what do you want of me and I will try my best to accomplish it.

People, may I ask a question? When you say X appeared in my life/called me, etc... do you mean a feeling, a voice, that figure appearing in dreams...?

I started getting to Kali Maa. I don't remember well how did it start , but suddenly I found myself praying to her, keeping images, reading about her, etc. Once I also had a dream where her image appeared. How can I be sure it's not myself self inducing this?

Should I take this as a 'signal'?

All my life was marked always by religious search, with a lot of disappointments (mostly by humans). This thing with Kali Maa started some months ago after a long time of irreligion and depression.

>>18423787
>The designation was 'preliminary', hence my question.
>>18423813
>No thats the extensive purification wich is only done once for the initiation.
I apologize, I should have held my tongue.
>>18423813
>Do the ritual wich I will later give completely mentally and in silence. Either that or the above instructions in silence. If you can neither do those I will give a different instruction for you.

I have agreed not to do any practice other than the retreat practice for10 days starting on the 28th at 4 pm

>>18423863
>do you mean a feeling, a voice, that figure appearing in dreams...?
As well as visible manifestation, at least in one very very powerful rendition of the Sri Yantra puja.

>How can I be sure it's not myself self inducing this?
Does it matter?

>Should I take this as a 'signal'?
Depends. You can be a Kali worshiper without being a Vajrayogini initiate. My interests and intentions are complex, to say the least.

Vajrayogini is VERY close to the wrathful manifestation of some Kalis, as well as a few other notions of Her.

I can't tell you to do anything. Research a bit more on the Buddhist tantras. Do some actual Kali puja (there's a public puja on the tantrik mandala in my library).

>>18423831
Nice. You have a very beautiful voice. Where are you from?
>>18423863
Because of past karmic connections everyone is connected or attracted to a specific deity, or religion.
Please make your own threat if you want to discuss any further.

>>18423873
I see. I will give you instructions that you can do before the retreat. I will give them tomorrow or later today.

To all participants:
Tell me if there is a large amount of pebbles or sand in your area that you can take. Or tell me if you have something that resembles a large amount of pebbles.
You will also need 3 bowls. If you dont have 3 bowls, you just need 1.

Also soon I will need to do 1on1 private conversations with each participant. Either on discord or irc.

>>18423921
>I see. I will give you instructions that you can do before the retreat. I will give them tomorrow or later today.
thank you
>>18423921
>Tell me if there is a large amount of pebbles or sand in your area that you can take. Or tell me if you have something that resembles a large amount of pebbles.
I can find some
>Also soon I will need to do 1on1 private conversations with each participant. Either on discord or irc.
When is convenient for you?

>>18423921
>pebbles
Yes.

Can I get a knowledge lecture here?
>>18412542
Three bowls...three jewels?
She's emanating from the mandala, from the severed head of the Chod offering.

>>18415750
Four bowls...4 Noble Truths?
One of them with...Buddhas?
Eight vajras. 8 fold path?
Color fire bordering the mandala is obvious at least in color correlation, but is it safe to assume this is the same sweeping fire that borders reality as per Kalachakra?

Eight images of...godforms? and mountains. My first assumption would be Shamabalah but I also note veneration to Meru in the purification.

Four spirals in the points, what are those?

The root/seed mantra is self explanatory.

I work from like noon to fourish tomorrow.
I work from the asscrack of dawn Thurs to noon.
I work from noon till fourish on Fri.

I'm on IRC a lot.

>>18414490
So I am a Kashmir Saivist, I am God-known but not God-realized, though I am taking steps to further my path.

I do have a Guru and he is very wise.

What is it like to be at your level? How far do you feel you have to go?

Also what is this? I recognize many elements, but the ritual I do not.

My guru discourages rituals for me.

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>>18423947
>When is convenient for you?
Right now. Somebody get me some private IRC channel that I can acces through the web.

The following instruction needs to be done before the 29th. The sooner the better. Provide proof of the having done the last instruction. Dont forget to save the past, it's only up for 24 hours.

http://pastebin.com/F9x2USt6

>>18423964
All of your assumptions are wrong, except the fire border. Assumptions bring illusions. Do not assume.

>>18424167
>What is it like to be at your level?
I just ate an apple. It was a tasty apple. I hope you will enjoy fruits too. Just like me.
>How far do you feel you have to go?
Exactly the amount of distance as the length of a single strand of your hair divided by the distance of the following mantra on the screen: Om Muni Muni Maha Muniye Soha

>>18424205
>Assumptions bring illusions. Do not assume.
Pardon, I'm am over-curious.

https://client00.chat.mibbit.com/
Kyno on the mibbit server.

>>18424205
You sound just like my Guru.

So my previous bouts with Buddhism where all completely atheistic, you seem to have a Kali-esque deity here.

If you do not believe in Atman and Monksha, then how do your gods fit into your life? Are they simple thoughtforms, guideposts to serve in reaching Nirvana or more?

>>18424275
were*

>>18424257
Great.
The converstations will be held in the following order:
*Nobody first or second.
*elao second or first.
*The Ape of !Th0tH last.

>>18424205
Just wanted to add that you can replace the pebbles by sand if you do not have pebbles.
If you have pebbles, you can not replace it by sand. Dont be lazy.

>>18424275
I feel honored. Thank you.
>guideposts to serve in reaching Nirvana?
I think this would come very close. Once Nirvana is reached Buddhism can be discarded like one would discard old clothing.

Speculating about if there are 'really' deities, other dimensions, other worlds, and so on out there is not quite conducive to Liberation.
However on a conventional level the law of karma is definitely real.

>>18424307
>last
Oh what karma to reap?
I'll take this as my first lesson ;)

I take it I can sleep, then, or may need to in any case. There's wood to chop and water to carry.

>>18424321
Sure. Sleep. Steal as many young maidens from the Buddhas as you can, they are infinite in number and inexaustible.
Pleasure them and feel great bliss.

Whats the channel in mibbit? #Kyno #Kyno it will be.

>>18424321
I feel somewhat honored to see character development in The Ape of! He's been in a fair amount of threads I lurk in.

I plan to use both Kashmir Shaivism [I've already taken lessons from Kali] and Vajrayana Buddhism. Would you say this is a usable framework?

I'm working a theory that Brahman [shorthand for God in general] is quantum in nature.

We're all on/off, but that duality is an illusion since we're in the moment.

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>>18424205
>http://pastebin.com/F9x2USt6
>*If you do the big ritual once a month you shall be reborn as human near a qualified guru.

If you do meet that guru how long will Buddhahood attainment take?

>>18424635
That depends entirely on how far you have developed on the path at the end of this life, and how fast you further develop the path in the next life.
I do not know exactly. If you practice diligently what your guru tells you, if you listen to him/her well, then those are the causes to quickly reach Buddhahood.

Because of free will karma is flexible and dynamic. However we do know that certein causes bring you closer to Buddhahood and some causes further away.
How you will live your next life is entirely up to you, karma is not static and the future is not set in stone.

You could look at it this way:
When you throw a ball in the air you can approximate where it will land, but not exactly.
So we know, (because the masters before us told us) that if you do the ritual once a month you will aproximately be reborn near a qualified guru, because of the causes you created in the past.

Reaching Enlightenment is incredibly hard. Staying uncontrollably suffering in samsara for many lives is a thousend times more harder. You decide.

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>>18424703
At what point of time in your life did you garner interest in obtaining Buddhahood? What exactly did you experience to know there is merit in doing all of this? I'm fairly new to this and wish to follow this path but I'm afraid at I won't be able to keep up.

Thanks for the thread.

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>>18424724
I tried as best as I could to answer your questions here:
http://pastebin.com/CaERbhBs

I am sorry if its a lot to read and I gave you an information overload. In any case while I am waiting on the participants to show up you can chat with me on irc and I clear up any questions you have.

https://client00.chat.mibbit.com/ #Kyno

Also here is a very quick intro intro what Buddha-Dharma-Sangha means:

Buddha: The doctor who gave us the medicine to cure ourselves (so we give respect to the doctor)
Dharma: The medicine or the method that we must apply.
Noble Sangha: All the people who have attained liberation and are now Buddhas or Buddhisattvas.
Conventional Sangha: Basically everyone who practices Dharma.

These are also called the 3 precious jewels. They are so precious that even if you collected all the gems, jewels, and gold in the entire universe it would still not match the 3 jewels in worth.
This is because no physical object could ever free you from infinite suffering.

If you reject the law of rebirth. I would just tell you to observe cycles.
Your breathing is a cycle, the earth arounds its axis is a cycle, the earth around the sun is a cycle, the moon around the earth is a cycle, your hunger and thirst are cyclical, even while walking your legs are in a cyclical motion, women have cycles, your heart beating is cyclical, sleeping is cylical.
So then why would life itself not be cyclical?

>>18424328
>Whats the channel in mibbit? #Kyno #Kyno it will be.
I was referring to my username on the server, but sure.

I'll be lurking around this morning/afternoon.

>>18424501
>both Kashmir Shaivism [I've already taken lessons from Kali] and Vajrayana Buddhism. Would you say this is a usable framework?
Matsyendranath = an Avalokiteśvara incarnation, so yes.

>>18424849
Will you be available to continue our conversation in 10 hours, same place?

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>>18425389
I will probably be doing meditation then, not sure yet.

Necessery reading and practice material
http://pastebin.com/Rv9MnJrs
Pre-Reading material
https://privnote.com/LvVvLzWg
Pre-Practice material
https://privnote.com/nskEMvCw

Remove your old name field, replace by the Sanskrit ones below.
nobody = Bhava-samraksha = Life Protector

You know the immense suffering of death and strive to prevent that in others,
yet you fail to be moved by the suffering people experience in daily life.
Generate Bodhicitta as much as possible.

16 times the whole Universe offering(with the bowls and pebbles) in front of Buddha image for insecurity.
Recognise good qualities in others. (outer cakra)(first bowl)
Recognise good qualities in yourself.(inner cakra)(second bowl)
Experience the sense objects(outer appearances of mind) and mental objects(inner appearances of mind) (third bowl)
Experience the Vajra play(Vajra cakra)

You must become an inspiration for yourself, then you will become an inspiration for others.

elao = Nara-samadhi = Man of Concentration.
32 Avelokitesvhara mantras to a Buddha image for killing insects.

Your concentration is well developed though, you harm others, and in doing so you are only hurting yourself.
People are so caught up in harvesting evil deeds until they realize they are in the fangs of hell.
Apply well your practices of concentration to prevent evil seeds and sow good seeds.
For each mantra recitation think of a being you harmed, give an apalogy, show remorse, and ask forgiveness.

>>18425993
The Ape of = Alpabuddhi-pandita = Unwise Scholar
32 prostrations to a Buddha image for doubts.

So much knowledge, yet still having doubts.
You have so much books in your library, that they have blocked the door to Nirvana.
Guatama did not reach the highest enlightenment by meditation or knowledge alone, he could not have done it without good amounts of beer, and he could certeinly never even have dreamed about it without the lotus of his wife Gopa. Practice the passions wich strip you, of your precious knowledge; then you shall realize non-duality and mirror-like awareness.

Having aquired much knowledge is like constantly carrying heavy stones that slow you down.
Discard all knowledge that you have accumulated in life and travel lightly without biases.
Using logic is like trying to eat soup with a fork; completely useless.
Stop using logic, start to embrace contradictions and paradoxes
The wise have love for everyone unconditionally,
for without logic its impossible to see a difference between ally or enemy.
The wise can't be foolish,
for without knowledge any concept of 'foolishness' is non-existant.
The wise have attained all goals,
for without knowledge of goals there exist no goals to attain.
The wise have no worries at all,
for without goals, there exists nothing to worry about.

OP, how it's possible to have compassion and at the same time maintaining justice?

Suppose you know a scammer. The right thing might be calling the police or to denounce him to prevent him to keep doing damage. Or maybe try to talk with him. Now, that person doesn't give a fuck and keeps doing evil.

How are you compassive here? You must stop the unjust. Or is compassion in buddhism different from the christian idea?

>>18426230
*to prevent him from keep doing damage

Sorry, english not my first language

>>18425993
>Nara-samadhi
Thank you, but I am concerned that I haven't earned this name, my concentration is not yet very strong.

I plan to do the preliminary tomorrow night and the universe offering friday, shall I do the avalokiteshvara now or after the universe offering.

>>18425993
>I will probably be doing meditation then, not sure yet.
I'll be meditating for the next hour and will check back after that, if you are available then post here and i'll join the irc. Otherwise, let me know if you want to continue the conversation and if there's a good time for you. I have an exam tomorrow and have to do the preliminary after but am open on friday.

>>18426230
To be honost I dont know much about law systems in Buddhism or of Budhist countries.
Basically all unenlightened beings are unenleightened because they have ignorance about how karma works. So you should have a comppasionate kind of pity for them.
Judgement is inherent whitin the karma system.
Those who are greedy will be reborn as pigs.
Those who consume meat are reborn as tigers.
People who are obsessed(strong attachment) near dead will be reborn as hungry ghosts who can never get satisfied whatever they eat.
People who will practice genorisity will be reborn as god in heaven.
the gods in heaven are so intoxicated by bliss that they become greedy, for that they will be reborn in hell
hell beings will be reborn usually as animals.
non-violent and vegeterian animals will be reborn as noble humans
Those who murder, will be murdered
Those who steal, will lose everything.
Those who rape, will be raped
Those who practice or visualize Vavjrayogini without proper Bodhicitta motivation(Practicing patience, love or compassion, kindness, humbleness, and generosity with all sentient beings) will be reborn as hungry ghosts or walk in hell in the shape of Vajrayogini.
Those who, when thinking about Vajrayogini feel an instant warm pleasent feeling in their body and start having tears of joy will be reborn in the Dakini pure land.

In karma there is no "judger". You could say karma is more like a mirror that reflects all your actions back at you.

If I where a Christian I would judge nobody, because God already does the judging, yes?
So then I wouldn't have to worry about judging anyone. How easy.

For any specific situation you need to use discriminating awareness wich is roughly the combination of wisdom and compassion. H.H. The Dalai Lama said it was immoral to muder Bin Laden because:
1. He was no longer a direct threat
2. Killing him would therefor be an act of revenge, wich is a negative emotion that causes bad karma.
3. All life is sacred, especially humans

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>>18426432
>non-violent and vegeterian animals will be reborn as noble humans
Here is the problem

that's barked up man

>>18426431
>the avalokiteshvara now or after the universe offering.
Avelokitesvhara.

>>18426230
I remember a story of an armed burgler who tried to rob a house with a Buddhist lay couple.
The couple thought "This burgler by robbing us is causing harm(bad karma) to himself, we must have pity, reduce his suffering, and pray that he wil achieve Liberation from suffering"
Thus the couple cooked a meal for him and give him some money. During the meal the burgler told the couple that he was very poor and had to resort to stealing to survive. When the burgler left he said he was so moved by their compassion and that he was very sorry, grateful, and promised to repay their kindness by being kind to others.

There is also the story when Buddha met an infamous murderer. The murderer threatened to cut the Buddha limb for limb. So Buddha kneeled before the man stretched out his arms and said "If you think it brings you genuine hapiness cut off my arms, and cut off my head." The man then fell down on his knees crying from remorse and he admitted his mistakes. He then became a monk under Buddha Shakyamuni.

Another story is of in one of his previous lifes, the Buddha was a Boddhisattva reborn as a giant sea turtle. One day he was swimming in a storm and came across a ship sinking. He saved many people from drowning by carrying them on his back. He swam to the shore wich took multiple days. When he arrived at land the people where about to die from starvation and there was no food around.
The turtle knew this and instead of swimming back into sea he lay still until the people ate him completely and thus the people survived.
The merit of that act caused the turtle to be reborn as the Prince Guatama

Before Buddha was the turtle he was the captain on a ship, but there was a pirate or ancient type of terrorist on board who wanted to cut a hole in the ship and make it sink. Then the captain decided to kill the evil-doer and thus saving the hundreds of people on the ship.

>>18426432
Not the same anon, but this sparkles some questions to me.

But those 'do this, reincarnate as that' sound like human conceptions. IMO they sound very "childish" (like the abrahamic idea of hell) and clearly represent a cultural (Indian) pattern. That implies an inherent good or evil. What is bad in X culture isn't necesary the same in another.

Also that would make sense in a theist enviroment because it sounds like some sort of punishment or a prize depending on the action. So, who judges? If karma regulates itself then there should be no fixed patterns in reincarnation as again conceptions are different in every culture an person. Or does the consciousness have some sort of inherent moral behind all the layers of mind that self punishes or rewards itself according to his acts?

Also, if there is no 'I', then how rencarnation is possible? In that case reincarnation would be an illusion since there is no soul to move from body to body.

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>>18425995
Purification pts 1-4.

https://mega.nz/#F!0YwUHJzJ!_gD82NmXNQ53DMse1f_ETQ

Moving sutra, btw. Very much so. Particularly the 'going without moving' thing.

More's happening. For now I need to eat and do prostration. Universe offering likely in the AM.

>>18425993
>Pre-Reading material
>https://privnote.com/LvVvLzWg
>Pre-Practice material
>https://privnote.com/nskEMvCw
I do not have the password for these

>>18426814
forgot the name

>>18426814
>>18426860
Come to the irc.

>>18426608
People always ask the hardest questions. :(

For anyone who think they do not properly understand what emptiness (co-dependend arising) is. I have explained all here:

http://pastebin.com/dxAb58U6
http://pastebin.com/Rv9MnJrs (from this post >>18425993)

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>>18426637
Very beautiful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMzbElqxWTU

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Dear OP, please allow me to ask a few questions. I do not demand answers nor do I ask for long answers if you respond. Your time is precious.

If enlightenment is beyond qualities, how can it be experienced?
If a student becomes enlightened through the teachings of a guru, does the student tell his guru, or does the guru tell the student?
Is it possible to be enlightened without knowing that one is enlightened?
If these questions are illusory and extraneous, then why is enlightenment discussed in Buddhism?

>>18427772
I think the questions are illusory and extraneous because technically we are already enlightened. The mind can be covered in rain, hail, or snow, but past the clouds remains a clear blue sky.

>>18427977
Thank you for your reply, I enjoy your language a lot, it is very pretty. Nice dubs.

>>18426930
Sorry, didn't see this last night

>>18427772
Tried to keep it as short as possible.
>>18427977
Like this indeed. Because mind itself is beyond language we can only use analogies wich can help in understanding, but in the end you need a direct experience or realization of the clear nature of mind.

>how can it be experienced?
For lay people, you can experience Nirvana in the following moments:
At the moment of orgasm, while sneezing, while yawning, between thoughts, and moment just before you fall asleep.

These moments howevever are practically instant. They would last maybe about 1/100th of a second or less. The yogi through different practices begins to recognize the clear nature of mind in everyday life and have that experience 24/7

Very technically.. Have you noticed how just before you orgasm, sneeze, or yawn there is a huge and quick intake of energy wich is then suddenly released in an explosive manner? This is the rapid flowing of energy in the cakra channels, we want to manipulate that flow to remove the burst of energy and make the flow more stable and calm.

>does the student tell his guru?
>does the guru tell the student?
>possible to be enlightened without knowing that one is enlightened?
Its better to rephrase those questions as: "How would I recognize if an enlightned being was infront of me?"

>>18428607
>>18427228
Consider the example of the Dalai Lama.
When he was talking about Bodhicitta (wich is a deep sense of being connected to all living beings and having infinite universal love for them.) His Holiness instantly got tears of joy.
Moreover many different people have told that merely being in his presence or seeing his laughter/smiles spontaniously brings inner joy and calmness.

Those are clear signs of a Buddha, yet The Dalai Lama always says he is "a simple monk" and claims he has huge ignorance about many topics in life.
Moreover the Dalai Lama has bowed down and shown respect to all walks of life, from extreme rich to extreme poor, from politicans and famous people all the way to homeless.

When he does specific teachings to Buddhists he uses many complicated and technical words.
When he teaches to commoners he uses simple words. So he skilfully adopts his teachings to the level of realization people have so that everyone can understand in their own way.

>If these questions are illusory
They are illusions, but they are skillfull and useful illusions that when contemplated help you break through the prison of ignorance.
Like a farmer that uses cow dung as fertilizer to make his crops grow. A yogi is not afraid to use 'spiritual cow dung'.
Another example would be Buddha images and statues. We know on a conceptual level they are just pictures or just a mass of stone in the shape of a Buddha. But we know these things represents our goal of Enlightenment so from those images we gain inspiration and motivation. This is called skillfull means.

It is not so much the problem of illusions themselves but your attachments to illusions.
These attachments bring you and people around you suffering.

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Are pretas and asuras an euphemism for niggers and spics?

>>18427772
>enlightenment is beyond qualities
Just to clarify.
In Nirvana, you whold directly experience the "quality" of there being neither qualities, nor no qualities. Wich is the pure form of awareness of awareness itself.

Many people say they are self-aware of have awareness, but many are deluded.

If you are reading, do you have the awareness "I am reading"? many do not.
If you are hearing, do you have the awareness "I am hearing", many do not.
When you are wearing clothes are you aware "There is fabcric touching my skins", many do not.
When you are moving are you aware "This part of my body is in this location, this other part is in this other location", many do not.

Once you focus attention on the act of reading, hearing, touching, moving itself then you become a little bit more aware of yourself.

Next we ask "Who or what is it that is aware of the awareness that I am reading?"
"Who or what is it that is aware of the awareness that I am hearing?"

Awareness decreases ignorance, ignorance is the cause of karma(evil and good actions)
So awareness is the foundation for Liberation from ignorance and the wheel of karma.

>>18426637
Anuttarasamyaksambodhi is 3 words:
Annattura = highest
samya = same (because all the Buddhas arrive at the exact same kind of enlightenment)
sambodhi = perfect enlightenment

Vajrayogini is an Annattura Yoga Tantra deity
yoga = union
tantra = unbroken

yoga is the union of mind of the yogi and the deity.

tantra in this conext means severel things.
The difference between words spoken by Guatama Buddha while he was on Earth and the words spoken by him after his prani-nirvana(when the physical body of Guatama died). The latter is the source of tantras.

It also means unbroken because there is an unbroken line of teachings from Guatama to this very day that is passed down from guru to student.

Finally it also means unbroken because the relationship between the yogi and the deity becomes unbroken and continues from past lifes to future lifes.

Also there is no difference between the guru and Vajrayogini. Respecting the guru means respecting Vajrayogini.
When the student realizes there is also no difference between himself, others, and Vajrayogini it means disrespecting onseself or others means disrespecting Vajrayogini; that would constitute a breaking of the Samaya vow.

So Tantra is a very and deeply personal relationship that the yogi has with oneself, the guru, and the surroundings.

>>18428787
I appreciate your clear explanation.

>>18428801
>>18428787
>Also, a polite request for a reupload on the privnote now that the matter of the password has been explained

>If the pebbles are frozen to the ground, and i can't unstick them, can i use road salt as an alternative?

Yes, dont be attached to the ritual itself or the objects thereof.
If you do the offering perfectly a 1000 times, and you have not transformed your mind, then you are living in self-delusion.

If however you do the offering imperfectly, but it transforms your mind. Then your merits are boundless.

The same can be said for the pronunciation of mantras.

OP, I've noticed that buddhism (specially vajrayana) has adopted the local deities of each region (tibetan, mongolian, japanese, etc) or converted them into protectors of the dharma.

Why isn't that the case with the West? Do you think that a vajrayana including roman, gaul, germanic deities (or even outside the West, semitic, mesoamerican, etc) could be developed? Or equating indotibetan deities with local ones? If so could different rituals emerge as a response to the local culture and mindset?

Or the monotheism is an obstacle for that?

I've seen some people distrusting vajrayana precisely for this reason, the fact that it "imposes" foreign deities.

>>18429058
forgot nametag
>>18429323
I think those questions are not spiritual, but historical. I am not a historian so I can not answer those questions.

With an open-mind and the right understanding those things you speak of could potentially happen if the conditions for it are there.

Your post did remind me of a story:

Some Buddhist refugees where taken in by a Christian organisation, but for that they had to convert; wich they did.
Many years later they met the Dalai Lama and told him:
"We where Buddhists before, but we had to convert to Christians, we promise you that we will be Buddhists in the next life"

Then the Dalai Lama said: "Because you are Christians you do not belief in rebirth, so according to your own faith you can not be reborn as a Buddhist, but will go to heaven."

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>>18429416
Just a reminder that nothing further will happen without the following proofs:

Printed image of Vajrayogini(in body and mandala form), Milarepa, and a peaceful Buddha(doesnt matter wich Buddha).(0)
(Buddha placed at the top, then Vajrayogini, then Milarepa placed at the bottom)
Vows recording(1)
Dedication recording(2)
Sutras recording(3)
Vajrayogini mandala drawing(doesnt have to be perfect, just need general shapes)(4)
Chicken bone(5)
Universe offering(6)
Offerings to Vajrayogini(7):
*cake
*other foods you like
*a bowl of clean water
*a glass of beer or wine
*a candle
*inscense
*optional but not neccesery: flowers and Buddhist music ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtYKcP-73JA )

So far everyone has proof of 1 and 2.
Alpabuddhi-pandita has proof of 3.

If you have given proof of something and I forgot to see it, or have not given proof of something and I assumed you did have that proof; then please be honest, mention it, and forgive my mistake. (I dont have omniscience).

You still have till the 29th to provide proofs.

>>18429756
>Vajrayogini mandala drawing(doesnt have to be perfect, just need general shapes)(4)
Can snap a photo with universe offering, also, thanks for clearing up:
>(Buddha placed at the top, then Vajrayogini, then Milarepa placed at the bottom)
I had Vajrayogini where my Hevajra thangka used to be with Milarepa on the guru edge of the altar with other lineal transmissions, with the second subaltar having an image of Vajradhara at center with Vajrasattva and Avalokiteshvara at either side.
>proof of chicken bone
I've...already dropped it into my Witch Bottle for a later fire sacrifice.

>>18429416
Love this story.

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>>18428607
>>18428612
>>18428689

OP, thanks so much for your great replies to my questions. Sorry I thought the other guy was you, I was a little hurt when I just got one sentence!

I admit I just wanted to hear what you had to say and read some of your writing, especially on some of these common "imponderables", but the way you explain it (as I said to the poster I thought was you... don't think me dishonest!) is very beautiful and I enjoy your language very much.

I especially enjoyed the way you paint Nirvana as a literal reality, and the way you talked about recognizing an enlightened being using the Dalai Lama. That has always been an intriguing question to me. Thank you for your friendliness and generosity.

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>>18430714
>complimenting extra people on accident

Thank you OP, I am going to try visiting the print store because my printer had a little accident and I ended up smashing it to pieces. I'll probably drop by the IRC later today to ask for clarification on the chicken bone thing, since some of the pastebins involved have already expired.

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>>18429756
>Vajrayogini mandala drawing(doesnt have to be perfect, just need general shapes)(4)
For the sake of simplicity I printed the mandala and placed it over the red sand rendition of the hexagram, as it has deteriorated while I've moved my Vessel about. The plan is (was?) to empty the sand into the Vessel. You can still see one of the corners at the top of the silver plate.

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>>18429756
>Printed image of Vajrayogini(in body and mandala form), Milarepa, and a peaceful Buddha(doesnt matter wich Buddha).(0)
>(Buddha placed at the top, then Vajrayogini, then Milarepa placed at the bottom)
>Universe offering(6)
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1XooNw8v7Np

>Chicken bone(5)
As mentioned I've already dropped it into the Vessel. I'm not exactly supposed to fish things out of it. Not even sure I could given how full it is at this point. I can put in an order of bone-in wings?

>Offerings to Vajrayogini(7):
*cake
^Have plenty of Cakes of Light, made with honey, abramelin, and the Elixir of the Highest Substance(s).
*other foods you like
^Sure.
*a bowl of clean water
^Easy.
*a glass of beer or wine
^Got a bottle of Moscato I've been saving for a rainy day.
*a candle
^Plenty.
*incense
^Enough for the rest of the month.
*optional but not neccesery: flowers and Buddhist music ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtYKcP-73JA [Embed] )
^Hard to come by midwinter. May I use Parapuja Stotram? It's written for nondual Saivists but names no Gods and simply expresses the emptiness of the puja protocol for honoring the Highest Ineffability. If not I know a number of expressly Tibetan things I play (or just the thing you linked).

>>18429756
https://expirebox.com/download/04374d42eac991155369adbbb38ab908.html
here's 3, 4 and 5. I apologize, I forgot to record my universe offering. In the picture, I included the stacked bowls which I hope will suffice as proof. It would be easier to fake the recording than to get the salt and fill the bowls.

>>18412535
>>18412542
>>18412544
Do I need to go to India? What about the poo?

>>18429756
I also have all of 7 except incense, although i do have aromatic essential oils if that's as good. Otherwise, what incense should i buy?

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sorry for posting this here it was my karma

>my face when Ape is OP
>he finally lost it
>he gave himself split personality trying to create a Shakti tulpa
>this is the result of his newfound insanity
>this whole thread is just him
>he is the only person that exists and we're all in his mind
>solipsistic schizophrenia is his only existence now
now ive seen everything

>>18432067
Nice try, friendo.

>>18432093
i am not real

>>18432098
>not real
Khenpo Tsultrim's Reply
by Khenpo Tsultrim Gyamtso Rinpoche

All visualizations are imagination.
All imagination is appearance/emptiness.
Without being attached to appearance/emptiness as real,
rest without fixation, without focus.

Death and no death, these are also imagined.
In the expanse of equality, there's neither death nor no death.
The same with dark and light and gods and demons.
The expanse of equality is all there is.
I have never seen a single thing that's real.

>>18414371

I've researched Buddhism for years and I'm unfamiliar with this. I will look into it.

>>18432149
It's not exactly an orthodox position.
My intent was to use one system to gate into another. Upon reflection I intent to adopt one system parallel to another.

One of the Uttara Kaula Trika gurus that's most often recommended to me is also a Vajrayana initiate who posits that Ekajati and Mahakali as the triadic goddesses of the Trident are one in the same.

Historically speaking the systems of Hindi and Buddhist tantra are linked by state-sponsored debates between the two.

>>18432103
checkmate, dualists

>>18432158
>>18432149
Also, a number of Vajrayana schools posit that Matsyendranath, author of Kaulajnananirnaya and the guru of Abhinavagupta, was in fact an incarnation of Avalokiteśvara.

>>18432173
>>18432158
>>18432149
>In short, I propose that I am not switching teams, or perverting Dharma (as if the non-conditioned can be perverted by petty mortal action), or rejecting Abhinavagupta, but rather I'm cultivating that Dharma which I've always accepted but long neglected.
Which reminds me I gotta download that Kangyur collection.

>>18418368

SA? TAN?

>>18432215
http://xoanon.co.uk/publications/the-dragon-book-of-essex/

(bump to keep thread alive)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwOccTTAcVw

>>18428657
Well...
>thousands of crimes comited during colonialism, WW1, 2, anglo vs Europe, Napoleon, etc
>japs massacre East Asia
>whites and japs disappearing
>niggers, spics and dravidians suddenly multiplying like crazy
Maybe you're right.

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>>18430714
>thought the other guy was you
The other guy just parahrased something I said earlier haha But thank you for your kind words

>>18430731
haha I like that picture. Thanks for sharing, I will save it
Anyone without humor can never hope to attain Buddhahood

>>18430895
You need a new pastebin? You should save them
>>18431255
You can forget the bone then. Its not the most important part.
Vajrasattva is the guru of Vajrayogini(Yes even she has a guru), that's why I proposed that music
>>18431393
Its Good. I like very quick recitations haha

I notice there is confusion about offering
I will explain it to you like my guru did to me

When offering imagine the Buddha is actually alive and infront of you. Now if you have a great respect for the Buddha, you better give the best smelling inscense, the best tasting food, etc And if you have not so much respect or are lazy then you offer lower quality items
(also the food will obviously be eaten by you after the ritual, so its silly if you offer items that you dont like
>>18431405
So you can use aromatic oils if you so wish The Buddhas will not be angry haha
The simple act of giving items transforms your mind to be more compassionate
If one cant even give to the Buddha, how will that person be able to give to random strangers?

Why should we have respect for the Buddha? We recite mantras, we do offerings, and prostrations, but what does the Buddha do?
He never moves, he never even blinks an eye, he never says "thank you", just sitting there not doing anything, haha

If you have cancer and then a doctor is able to cure you, then surely you will have respect for that doctor However even if you have been cured of cancer you can still experience suffering
So the Buddha is like the best doctor, because he has given the medicine(Dharma) to even remove all our sufferings Altough this medicine is not like a pill that we take and we have to do nothing We actually have to work at it for the medicine to take effect

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>>18433969
I have written a commentary on the Sutra from the privnote earlier. If I am correct everyone has read that one. I also explain some other important things in here. Its an essential read.

https://privnote.com/yJzIseOc

Soon the symbolic meaning of Vajrayogini will be revealed together with some pre-meditation/yoga practices to those who have all the proofs (Alpabuddhi-pandita and Nara-samadi).
You can already get the password for it in the IRC

>>18434278
Got it.
You need confirmation of offering items?

up from the bottom

good thread...

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>>18434278
I think there are still some important things that are needed before Vajrayogini can be understood. Vajrayogini will be explained soon, but not yet.

All 3 record the following words of Milarepa.

http://pastebin.com/cqV062zk

Thank you for your patience.

Also for some pre-practice: try to visualize yourself as 4-armed Avelokitesvhara as in the picture provided. With all sentient beings gathered around you, that feel your love and compassion.

The inner 2 hands should be physically done and then you visualise a wish-granting jewel in between your hands. The outer 2 hands should be visualized. Visualize Buddha Amitabha sitting on your head.

If you find it hard to do the visualization of the 2 extra arms and Amitabha.
Rest you hand naturally on your head, then notice how that feels and carry that feeling in your meditation.

For the arms. Gently push your hand against the side of your shoulders. Notice how that feels and carry that feeling in your meditation.

>>18435423
no. I trust you have everything.

>>18436762
Quite.

>>18437543
Oh and you should do the complete visualization including jewels, clothing, and so forth.

Start with the outer general appearence. Just the body with 2 hands. Then increase your concentration and add the 2 outer arms.
If you can see yourself as the general shape clearly, start to feel in the details by adding the items, jewels, adornments and so on.

If you find it hard to visualize yourself as Chenrezig then just visualize Chenrezig infront of you. While he is smiling at you, making you happy and feel loved.

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>>18437543
Thank you.

Another bump.

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>>18437555
More important reading material. This does not have to be recorded, but the Milarepa stuff does.

http://pastebin.com/qHa4dZ8W

The Vajrayogini practice I do is not of the entry- or mid-level, and not even of the great-level, but still of the none level. I hope your practices will at least be of the entry-level.

If somebody has forgotton to safe some of the notes I posted. At the end of the threat I will post one big pastebin with all the pastebins I have previously posted (except the privnotes).
However if you need a specific one right now, tell me and I repost it.
Also dont forget to tell me if something is not clear, if you have confusions, or have questions.

After having read pastebin, you can take a break from all the seriousness and watch the following.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-qwrLGG-e4

>>18438837
>or have questions.
A bit off topic but is Mahakala supposed to have a *khatvanga* or a *trisul*?

Milarepa recording likely in the AM. My original, perhaps ill-considered, reason for taking this is....fulfilled. It is done, as it were.

My original attached desire has been fulfilled and equalized.

But as for Vajrayogini, new mysteries spread before me. The revelation of Parapuja is a POTENT sign, and only a component of my realizations and experiences in the last handful of days since the Vajra Sutra recitation with Vajrayogini's mandala.

I'm humbled and blown away.

I have other questions on nondual consciousness. This is not my first journey, I've been working this or that form of nondual consciousness for a while. It's always been self directed rather than cultivated in compassion.

Um, anyway, I still need to compose my thoughts on that so I don't overintellectualize for four plus posts.

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>>18438880
I am in the IRC we can talk if you want. Altough I am a lil bit tired, so dont ask too difficult questions hehe.

Mahakala does not have a khatvanga, but he does have a trisul.

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>>18438898
If you're tired I won't bother you, I am tired as well.

Thank you for the clarification. The one I have is of the Mahakala type with the skull. I see the occasional three skull staff, though. I dunno if this is an artifact of "inauthentic art", or what. Just curious, really.

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>my original, perhaps ill-considered, reason for taking this is....fulfilled. It is done, as it were

I am very glad to hear this.

>>18438901
It doesn't have to be inauthentic necceserily. There are some minor differences between traditions.
Also there is 2-arm, 4-arm, and 6-arm Mahakala...so many hands to carry objects hahaha. But no, in general there is no khatvanga.

I have some homework for everyone who is reading the thread as well.
When we fall asleep the grosser or crude level of mind goes into the subtle level of mind.
This also happens in the first stage of death.

When you fall asleep observe very carefully what happens.
The moment when grosser mind dissolves is somewhere between 0.5 to 10 seconds before sleep, so you have to be alert or else the moment will pass. But if you are too alert then you become fully awake again, and if you are too drowsy you will not notice yourself falling asleep.

So observing the dissolution of grosser mind is a tight rope balancing act between being too alert and being too drowsy.

Good luck everyone.

Lastly I just want to thank everyone in the thread for their kindness. English is not my first language, so thank you for being patient with my many grammer mistakes.

The Vajrayogini meaning and pre-practice I will post after I have received the Milarepa recording.

After that I will post the actual Vajrayogini practice.

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>>18438993
Hey, I wanted to say thank you. I stumbled upon this post earlier this last Sunday morning. It's early Monday morning now. Anyways, I read just about ever single person's replies, of course, including your own and Thoth's. I have never honestly done that, or atleast not dedicated that much effort toward really taking in so many peoples content all at once. I've been here for years now, coming and going, and coming, and going...Anyways.

You're both genuinely good people.

And I can't even know that.

Anyways, I had an image in my mind today. An image of the 3 of us working together, helping one-another with our life goals, maybe perhaps finding somewhat of a "larger than life" sort of super hero, defenders of Earth, type of shit...ya know what I mean...like minded individuals who have nothing in common apart from this website. This forum. This page.

Just thought you should know that it wasn't the content of what you were posting that gave me this vivid image of companionship, it was Thoth that got me pulled in. He urked me before, in the past, because he was the first person I saw who knew about something that I thought only I knew about, considering my environment, age, and who I am.

My point is, God wants me to tell you both to keep up the good work. Both on the front lines, as well as here at home. And that the three of us will more than likely meet someday. No, not in Nirvana haha I'm talking about this life on this planet with the year 2017 right around the corner, and seeing as how I'm only 23 years old now and also seeing how much more time I have left. I'd say I have a lot of work cut out for myself. No worries, it'll get done, but if the two of you could help me out here someday maybe I'll get myself some more of that free time I've been wanting! Hahahaha ^_^

Alright. Peace out cubs scouts. My email is [email protected]. Have a great night sleep and hopefully a good start of tomorrow morning. ~UrUZiN-TILDA-ZinUru-XantheriAdliT-UrU UrU Xan~

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I'm gonna post some pictures now since everyone is sleepy sleeping. Lol

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>>18438880
poo in loo detected. how does it feel you will never poo in loo?! if you can't learn to poo in the loo, pajeet, you will never gain enlightenment.

forever poo in loo will always distract you from your spiritual path to be reincarnated as an aryan white man in your next life

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Sadness.

>muh buddhism
Did buddhism and the enlightenment save you from the british when they colonsed your sorry ass? Or the japanese in the 2. WW? No it didn't, so pls just stop acting like buddhism is relevant

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This is Zin. It's also kinda Uru.

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This is UrU. He's kinda sorta like ZiN

>>18412535
all fairly normal things, i fail to see why you should restrain yourself from any of them or hope to have joy. be where you're at imo.

>>18412542
enlightenment isn't a state
forgetting is fine
you can't teach anyone anything about 'making it' until you 'make it' anyhow so a lot of these are moot
while I'm at it why do these all say "may I"? skip the rest, figure out the "I"
'miraculous/supernatural' are only to be avoided because they're distractions

>>18412544
maybe its worth doing all these 'nevers' to figure it out yourself

random 2c
take it and leave it

(morning bump)

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Work in progress , I finally managed to print the pictures, I had the mandala that I have to draw, maybe I will do it later tonight if I have time. I have the bowls and the pebbles and I will try to finish the altar first , put the picture of Milarepa before I record myself doing the readings.

>>18439726
Nice. I still wanna frame mine soon. Get a stone statue or something. Maybe double down on these thangkas.

Tantra is one of the most interesting things ever, but i just don't get it. Even after Evola's "Yoga of Power" i still don't get anything about what one is supposed to do.

I get serious self-confidence issues when i read about these things, since it seems like i am too stupid to get into it.

>>18439763
Perhaps Evola isn't the best summary on the topic?

>>18439770

No he's pretty good. I just don't understand it, i mean on an intellectual level. The "what to do's" elude me. Maybe the cultural differences are too great, and that bums me out since just meditating never seem like enough, and i always wanted to get into a proper system like Tantra.

maybe i'm just a pasu and shouldn't think about these things but that doesn't seem very fair

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>>18412535
Hi OP, great thread. Ok, so I have a question which is somewhat unrelated to your original post; namely, it's that I have been curious for some time now how Tibetan Buddhism in Tibet is fairing under the rule of the Chinese? And I know that all religions/spiritual systems evolve over time but do you think that such a complex system as Tibetan Buddhism will be able to survive there in something resembling an authentic form? I realise that this is a broad question so no worries if is not possible to answer succinctly.

Also I have one other question: is Buddha Demchok deemed to be a historical personage? And if so when was he supposed to have lived?

Ok, thanks!

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>>18438993
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1WXAGghb7HO

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>>18422156
>>18439276
>>18439763
>>18439786
>>18439848
If people wish, I will answer these questions in a new thread. I can also do a general Q&A. Some of them need long answers.

>>18439726
Very nice

>>18440336
https://privnote.com/ik6TzriU

The password is different then the previous privnotes. I can give it in IRC or email, whatever you prefer.
After you have have read and practiced everything in the note I will give the actual practice.

Dont discuss or mention anything in the privnote in public. People will misunderstand and corrupt the teachings, practice in a deviant way, or go away from Liberation.

>>18440610
Hopped on chat, you weren't in.
[email protected]

>>18437543
http://expirebox.com/download/70eb302d5680b99a2ef160ce278ae7b8.html

>>18439848
>>18440610
New thread sounds good OP. Also, I have some questions regarding Mount Kailash that I wish to ask you. Now, is it possible that I could ask them via e-mail? I can assure you that I am not a troll/time-waster however if not then no worries at all. Anyway here is an e-mail address if contact is possible:
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[email protected]

If not I'll keep an eye out for a new thread. Thanks again.

>>18439271
Excuse me sir, what is this?

>>18440805
This is me, a Nara-Samadhi shouldn't be so forgetful
>>18438993
No, thank you so much, I'm very grateful to you, I'm fortunate to have found this thread.
>>18438880
I'm happy for you

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>>18440965
add a 'B' at end of last password I gave, without spaces.

>>18440850

What does it look like?

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>>18441577
It looks like a blade piercing a cicada going into a glue-stick, but ritualistically so.

I can't make out the background, perhaps blanket or perhaps carpet.

But I find myself strangely drawn to it, the fresh dirt entices me and the cicada speaks of a cycle of new beginning.

>>18441577
>>18441616
with all due respect

>>18441577
love u m8 but you're a schizo

>>18441616
if you are into buddhism idk what his thing has to do with it

could you guys please make your own thread

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>>18422156
The more stronger desires one has, the more effect Vajrayogini has.
My practice was ineffective for many years.
Until I fell in love with a women. Then I transformed this love to make it universal and apply it on everyone.

Dharma is like a woman. Easy to fall in love to, difficult to live with, but the rewards are enormous.
All phenomena are nothing other then the erotic dance and interplay between male and female.
Like a river that forms differents torrents or streams whitin that river that flow into each other, but each stream is mutually unaware of other streams.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOCI_UAfb8c

>>18439276
Its sad people make so much destruction for impermanent things. In the history of humanity there hasn't been even 1 kingdom or empire that has survived.
The lord of time will let everything crumble into dust.
No amounts of gold or power can help you in the time of death.

>>18439848
>[..] resembling an authentic form?
No. Now (according to the prophecy) we live in the age of degeneration. All Buddhist teachings will slowly dissapear from the world or become corrupted. Many disasters and wars will happen that will be even worse then world war 2. morals will be an all time low and humans will start to behave like animals(think Mad Max)
The Buddha Maitreya will be born and renounce his home, go wandering, and then achieve full Liberation.
Then there will be a golden age of peace until the age degeneration starts again and the next Buddha will come.

There will be 1000 Buddhas per universe. After the 1000th it will be destroyed and a new one will form. This cycle is infinite without beginning or ending.
Guatama is the 4th Buddha of this universe.
Vajrayogini works most effective in the age of degeneration.

But is not so important to think about Meitreya, these things will not happen in our lifetime. Maybe in thousends of years, I dont know.

>>18439763
Seek an authenthic guru that will explain you things simply and be honest.

>>18441620
that's what i was curious about. What it is symbolic of and whether or not it's Vajrayogi.

>>18412535
yes, I am a student of Alradah, a subculture of the vajrayogini. If you have any questions feel free to ask.

>>18441641
oh OP, you show up at the craziest times.

>>18441652
no, that's a schizo posting in this thread looking for attention. It's best to be polite but ignore. just follow the leader, lol. a guy posting a frog head on a glue stick has nothing to do with the mission of this thread. we're here in this thread to watch a buddhist teacher do his work.

>>18441774
In fact, my friend OP, I suggest that you make a new thread.

>>18441652
On this board you will find people who believe in themselves a little too much, if you catch my drift. If you are from a country where mental illness is not common or not used to the internet this may take you by surprise.

Anyway, where is OP? I miss him.

OP OP
appear to me
fuck buddhism
and fuck life
love is natural, so is strife

>>18441641
Dear OP, my sweet, sweet, Tibetan stranger, or whoever you are--fuck Buddhism. Strive for a birth where you will be with the woman you love. It is the only way. Love is the mind of the universe. Don't be afraid and take refuge in Buddhism. I am so tired and sickened by the labors of Buddhists. I love you, and you must let go of your lineage, robe, chicken bones and expressive deity pictures. Just take refuge in your love.

I hate Buddhism.

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>>18441831
>I dropped acid and understand everything now

>>18441616
It is a blade. It is going into the SHELL of a cicada, and into a container of perfectly good and still useable lemon lime, or perhaps, hey lime pie Chapstick.

There was no point in posting it other than I like to take pictures of beautiful or terrifying things. Which I did...and I've had it for a bit of a while now and simply wanted to share. It's something I never thought I would, because I saw no reason too.

Which is funny. Because I knew it was meant for someone else to see beside me. Lucky you Anon, I'm genuinely beyond happy you noticed it and it struck out. I like how you used the word "ritualistic". Because it felt like a ritual at the time of construing it, in all its oddity and key lime pie Chapstick, but afterwords, as in when I was done with it, it meant nothing more to me than something I really enjoyed understanding as I put it together, and it really helped solidify a large mass of thoughts I had stored in my head, into a much more solid composed descendant. I'm glad you like it. Thank you.

>>18441620
Please don't say you love me and then just turn your back on me. You know nothing about me. Therefore you are missing out on a lot. Not that it would matter to you.

It just really upsets me when people like you, good people mind you, say a word like that to me. Again, not your fault, I love you too, but your words hurt more than you know. Please say sorry. For everyone's sake.

>>18441652
It's symbolic of the collection of thoughts I composed while crafting it. Taking a picture was nothing more than me liking my work at the point it was at and recording a person memory for myself. Which coming full circle, I shared with you. It has nothing to do with that V word god you mentioned. I'm sorry, there's literally no correlation and I say V word god. I'm sorry I didn't use its full name, I didn't know how to spell it. There's no hidden meanings or agendas, it's just a picture I considered art. Now because of you I CONSIDER it art.Shanks.

Nice thread OP. And interesting iniciative.

Sarvamangalam

>>18442101
What makes something art is the piece's ability to influence emotion.

I am glad you made such a work, thank you,

>>18441831
You're retarded and everyone is laughing at you

>>18441968
why i feel aroused from looking at this picture

>>18412535
keep those laws and meditate in nature and you may be able to achieve your goal someday

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>>18441641
>>18441014
OP, what indication do you need of processing those pages. I started taking notes and realized you may want it recorded.

I need to hit >>18437543 a couple more times. It comes easy I just wanna get a solid by-the-book Buddhaform assumption going.

>>18428607
^(Underrated explanation, Guruji)

>>18438993
I've been having dream yoga.
A yogini initiated me in a physical sense in dream. An unknown monk has been trying to teach me mantra in Tibetan in dream.

In yoga, I had a vision of lighting flashing OUT OF a cave, illuminating it. It was almost paralytic. I've been considering doing the 108,000 prostrations but at some level I'm uncertain as I've HEARD it's a monastic practice. I've done similar amounts of work with Solar Adoration.

Anyway, here: >>18432798 is a vid referenced to me by a Vajrayana aspirant in our threads who helped the library. We compared notes between Kabbalah and Tantra:

>the two flows merge and into an interacting wave, between contraction and expansion, and die away, in that nothingness is the One.
We both experience this with relatively little effort.
>habitual abidement in the cycle of zero-polarization over and over.
Strain, but doable. This was the thing I have trouble carrying out of yoga/meditation I referenced in our first exchange. I've already found that certain ritual acts can carry this out longer, days instead of hours. The initiation to Vajra Suttra carried for days (and is still having effects, though unlocking Parapuja has caused a new resurgence).
>regeneration of Self and World (in constant cycling), and understanding their origin of arising.
We both have only ever brushed our fingertips against this.

My question is; how to cultivate this nondual awareness deeper. My suspicion is the answer is generating Bodhicitta, but I'd like to know if I'm on the right track.

As always, thank you.

Why should I get inner peace if the entire world is crying in pain and tears. I don't want Enlightenment. I want peace in the world. Sorry OP.

>>18412542
May I not be addicted to the joys of meditation.
How??

May I not insult or treat with contempt somebody who has murdered one of their parents, murdered a monk, injured a Buddha, or spread hatred.

is this about snakes???

>>18444411
It is easier to help alleviate the suffering of others if you come to terms with your own suffering, this doesn't mean removing empathy. Buddhism goes into great detail about helping others, if your interpretation is that it's all about ending your own suffering I'd give it another chance.

is it still #Kyno in mibbit or did you guys move to another place

>>18445350
I think things are just quiet until more confirmations roll in.

That and our OP is, at minimum, Euro in terms of timezone, if not farther out.

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>>18444548
indeed.

>>18444350
>what indication do you need of processing those pages
What do you mean?

>how to cultivate this nondual awareness deeper.
Some things that I personally do, is trying to not form opinions about anything. Especially political.
Try not to have opinions for 24 hours and just observe. Especially observe how others put so much importance on opinions and then start to fight each other and experience hate and suffering over unimportant matters.

Most people think Buddhism is quite a pessimistic religion, because it always talk about suffering and death and so on, but once you have abandoned most of your attachments then you can really enjoy mundane life without attachments, and without putting too much importance on it.

Things are just as it is. Everything is just that. I AM that what I AM. You can enjoy things for what they are, but because of impermanence its transient, so you dont become attached to it.

non-dual awareness is sometimes also called mirror-like awareness. Its not something that needs training, it has always been with you and always will be.
Its to see things just as they are, without mental distortions. It will naturally and effortlesly appear the more attachments you cut off. Then you can truely enjoy life.

If you think you have awareness, then you have awareness. If you think you dont have awareness, then you still have the awareness to be aware you dont have awareness. So awareness by itself is always pure and unstained. Just notice the sillyness of day-to-day mundane life and innate inner enjoyment will come without force or grasping onto things.

>>18445632
Hey OP, I'm a bit stuck now and it's probably because my brain can't find everything in one single comment, so would you mind once again detailing what is necessary now?

As far as I can tell I'm missing:
Sutra recording -> Which sutras exactly?
Milarepa's words -> Working on it
Chicken bone -> I missed this one, and the pastebin expired, would you mind explaining this again?
Universe offering -> this is the bowl thing, right? I'm waiting until i have time to finish my altar and then I will try recording the bowl ritual in front of it, along with the milarepa words and some offerings to Vajrayogini.

>>18445760
( this is me btw, forgot to fill the name field )

>>18445632
>What do you mean?

Do you need me to record this: >>18440610 or just let you know when I'm done with it?

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>>18445828
nah dont record.

>>18444411
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPySAzlupNU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dza-8DQGPaw

Children seem to naturally be happy most of the time, but is because they innocent and dont know the sufferings of the world yet. When we grow we have a tendency to turn bitter and cynical, but if we can return to this childlike state while still knowing of all the suffering, and without abandoning our wisdom then we can stay optimistic and genuinely help people.

Its like a doctor who treats cancer patients. Maybe he was only able to save 1 out of 10 of his patients.
We can be happy for the fact that 1 life was saved, while still acknowlding that 9 patients died.
If the doctor would become hopeless and depressed then we wouldn't have any doctors at all anymore.

You can observe of the suffering of the world, but you can choose if you let it affect you or not.

Life is not easy, but its simple. Don't overcomplicate or overintellectualize too much.

>>18445760
http://pastebin.com/567HxFCt

>>1844563

Thank you, should I do this on the 28th, or something else?

>>18445632
How do I remove my attachment to my opinions if I believe people are being harmed or wronged?