Tell me everything you know about egregore

>>18333795
Ne 1 plz

You typically need a lot of people to believe in something for that something tho make the jump between servitor and egregore.

Not quite sure what it takes to make the jump from egregore to godform, but I think I know

>>18333795
It's a fancy word that means "imaginary friend."

>>18333964
>I think I know
speak anon, we're here to discuss

can servitors be created unwillingly? If so, how? by obssesive thoughts or fixations?

>>18334019
I was just trying to stay on topic.

A good example of a godform is Eliphas Levi's Baphomet. The figure that was supposedly worshipped by the Knights Templar, and although I don't personally believe that they did (not openly at least), I do believe that it was worshipped at some point, and has been seen by enough people, even making appearances on clothing, that warrants the jump to godform.

I would assume that lots of theological scholarship has been done on the "thesis antithesis synthesis/solve et coagula" concept. Specifically, I think that the Thelemites, however few they are, keep the image alive and maintain its status as a godform.

Some Thelemites run a podcast called Speech in the Silence, which is a really good listen if you're interested where they talk about the different forms that the baphomet took over the years.

Note that these are opinion and not fact and I encourage you to disbelieve me and read about and see what you think about the topic.

As for the egregore I agree with the basic concept in >18333797 but i wouldn't have the hubris necessary to call an angel an equal, nor the foolishness necessary to call a demon a partner.

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>>18334148
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>>18334148
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>>18334153
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>>18334154

I'm actually a /pol/ transplant. KEK is another good example. Though I'm thinking that may have the added benefit of being a god (once/currently/???) so it may be a revived god. All I know is that hundreds of people nonstop memeing is what it takes to make America great again.

Alright /x/. Before I knew about any of this shit (keep in mind I'm 32 now), back in my teens, I began hearing a voice in the back of mind. Essentially, it would just randomly and sporadically make shit head negative comments and that's all it ever does. Over the years whenever it pops up, I send it away or chastise the thought. I never realized this but in doing his for so many years, have a I created a tulpa or whatever? I have been checked for mental health issues ect; aside from this I live and have a completely healthy and normal life (married, kid ect).

>>18334180
Probably. If you're still feeling this voice, and if you feel that it's harmful, talk to another psych professional (second opinion can't hurt).

Beyond that, accept that sometimes thoughts pop into your head but do not come from an external source. There are ways to make tupla a positive force (like telling your tupla it has to compliment you) but many more ways to have a real bad time.

I have personal experience with attempting to divide my consciousness in half which led to poor sleeping habits, increased stress and irritability, and disordered thinking.

Like I said before if it gives you any trouble whatsoever: get rid of it. Bring it back into yourself so you can be a whole person again.

>>18333795
no. and you can't make me.

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>>18334233
Then why even post?

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>>18334241
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>>18334019
Unintentionally created thoughtforms are called phantasms. Those are indirectly conceived by obsessive thoughts or fixations.
And they are usually a bad sign.

Main distinction of phantasms is that they are created "rejected" due to negative desire driving their creation, so they'll fulfil the accidentally given role of being "rejected" and that usually means a very weak bond with its creator.

Creating phantasms is often compared to the pinnacle of irresponsibility since you're unleashing upon the world the kinds of will you have barely any control of.
They also tend to learn some sort of autonomy so they can "successfully be apart from you" so-to-say.

Those things make them pretty hard to get rid of. So there's an insurmountable amount of them pretty much everywhere.

And can you create it unwillingly?
Depends on the semantics - is the "unwillingless" the willingness of negative? By all means then, that's pretty much how they come into existence.
Is it lack of volition? Then no. That's a key component for thoughtform creation and nothing's getting created without it.

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>>18334269
Possibly a reasom graven images are banned by major cults. They want total control over the minds of humans.

>>18334278
That sounds like jumping to conclusions, m8. What makes you say so?
Graven images are just pocket-rituals, like your fingers could be if you wanted.

Aren't we getting off-topic?

>>18334301
Thoughtforms manifest physically via artistic expression.

Control of one is control of the other. Phantasms are created via sympathetic magic for the most part.

>>18334308
>Thoughtforms manifest physically via artistic expression.
So the bans are means of severing mankind's link with the spiritual world. Sure, that could be a thing.

>Phantasms are created via sympathetic magic for the most part.
What are you getting at here? It's not like you can target phantasms specifically and exclude all other thoughtforms when talking about such a broad group of actions.

Are you saying the cults want us to drown in phantasms? That's the cruellest thing I heard in a long while.
Would *anyone* go this far? There's many less destructive ways of attaining control over the masses.

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>>18333964
Godforms do actually draw the power required to persist from an external force, they don't actually believe themselves into existence. They just draw power from concepts of perceived reality or aspects of consciousness. Instead of being "powered" by being believed in or thought about, they can continue existing in concept-space as long as their associated concept is at least perceived.

For example, conceptual servitor "A" can be said to be a separate chunk of your consciousness given a modicum of independence (although it's more accurate to say that it spontaneously arises from and uses that amount of your consciousness as fuel), but Godform "B" is empowered by the concept of... anything. Let's say "Chair." Godform "B" does not need conscious beings to be aware of itself in order to continue existing, it will draw power from the concept of "Chair." As long as there are people mentally processing the concept of "Chair" at any one given point at time (not a difficult feat) the godform still has processing power.

Godforms are likewise unique in that they have defined control over how much of a concept's value in mental processing power they are empowered by, and therefore how much influence they can exert over reality. A godform's concept can be vague or very specific, though due to the higher amount of mental processing value weighed on specific concepts, a potential godform has to choose carefully, balancing a concept that is both widely and deeply understood enough to bear fruit.

>>18333795
/pol/ made one, and it told them to cuck us ;u;

>>18334338
rofl

>>18334148
This speaks to me deeply. I left 4chan years and years ago. Probably 2010-2011. For some reason mid-last year, I started checking /pol/ and then was surprised to find a Trump bandwagon. It has left me confused. Why would I come back to this site after years only to find Trump supporters? Something I was having a hard time finding last August.

>>18334353
We all contribute to the egregore, it operates autonomously of any individual.

People like to assume that President Trump chose us, he did not. We chose him. For free. That's why we destroyed the enemy, they exist on micro-payments for micro-actions.

We did it all for free...

>>18334337
I don't think the chair is a good example for a godform. I do agree that godforms are not self-creating but are self perpetuating.

>>18334370
And, as far as I can tell, there is no true escape from one once energy is contributed.

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>>18334337
Still reading this, thanks for your thoughts on the topic

>>18334384
Escape, I believe, is possible in the manner that demons are banished/sealed, and angels decide to depart. But at the egregore level and up, I believe complete destruction and negation is impossible.

>>18334362
Perhaps, I explained myself wrong. I don't think Trump choose me, I have no answer, besides a feeling made me come back as Kek was emerging. What I want to understand is how that happened? How did the egregore get my attention after years of being away? I saw no signs. Remember no real changes. Just a sense to go back to this site.

>>18334410
That's what I came to find out. Op here, I am trying to escape but I fear that's no longer a possibility.

Scion it is then. We didn't know what we were doing, in our defense.

>>18334420
Self-perpetuated link can be fully negated. Takes some willpower, but it's much easier than it sounds.
And if that's not good enough for you then make a deal, duh.
Simplest solutions are the best.

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>>18334420
I'm sure you can get rid of it.

Do a couple proper banishings and post here in the morning.

Egregore. I read some articles about grimoires having foundations in what is called gregoires. Supposedly there was a pope or priest something around those edges that tried to fully christianize people. He was harsh so pagans kept their histories locked in, in books like Egregore. They depicted everything pagan and unchristian as grotesque.

>>18335129
Have you guys ever believed in something so much youre willing to kill for it. Ben-di-cion.

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/pol/ faggots and kek autists are here, abandon thread

Free bump

>>18335129
Gregoires, very interesting

>>18335129
top bait

It'll make sense if an egregore was made with the ouija board

>>18334337
how you people even figure this out is beyond me