Monarch Mind Control [new and improved edition]

Tavistock Institute book by Dr. Coleman -
http://famguardian.org/Publications/Shaping_The_Decline_Of_USA/Shaping_The_Decline_Of_USA-Coleman_John.pdf

Trance: Formation of America, 1995, by Cathy O’Brien and Mark Phillips*
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/File:Tranceformation_america.pdf
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/560419.Trance
*The book that started it all - Cathy was the first survivor to describe her experiences as a former mind-controlled slave victim; thus, the existence of MKUltra is based on her assertions.

The Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave by Fritz Springmeier* http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/mindcontrol/mindcontrol_index.htm

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:Project_Monarch

Programmed to Kill by David McGowan
https://www.pdf-archive.com/2015/01/12/david-mcgowan-programmed-to-kill/

Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon: Laurel Canyon, Covert Ops & the Dark Heart of the Hippie Dream by David McGowan
http://netteandme.blogspot.com/2015/04/part-1-of-20-strange-but-mostly-true.html - read the entire story free online in section here.

Joint Hearing before the Select Committee on Intelligence and the Subcommittee on Health and Scientific Research of the Committee on Human Resources, United States Senate, 1977,
PROJECT MKULTRA, The CIA’s Program of Research in Behavioral Modification
https://info.publicintelligence.net/SSCI-MKULTRA-1977.pdf
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/history/e1950/mkultra/AppendixA.htm
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/history/e1950/mkultra/AppendixB.htm
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/history/e1950/mkultra/AppendixC.htm

the mind control resources forum document:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1e58rw_uulApyqezyzZm8qmAkwRWfvCl7JZHkIgE2Ju4/edit

Other books:

Barkun, Michael (2003). A culture of conspiracy: apocalyptic visions in contemporary America. Berkeley: University ISBN 0-520-24812-0.

Mason, Fran (2003). "Mind Control". In Knight, Peter. Conspiracy Theories in American History
http://cha3u.pbworks.com/w/file/fetch/45668088/Conspiracy%20Theories%20in%20American%20History%20%282003%29.pdf

Parfrey, Adam (1995). Cult Rapture. Portland, Oregon: Feral Press. p. 241. ISBN 0-922915-22-9.

John D. Marks (1979), The Search for the 'Manchurian Candidate': The CIA and Mind Control: The Secret History of the Behavioral Sciences, Penguin Books Ltd.

https://cybercosmopolitan.wordpress.com/links-to-the-hole/mind-control-sensemaking-cognitive-infiltration-knowledge-engineering-tbmc/
^^^^links to tons of other stuff and free pdfs including...

The Dissociation of a Personality

Monarch the New Phoenix Project

The_Big_Book_Of_NLP_Techniques_-_Shlomo_Vaknin

Runyon, Carroll – Magick and Hypnosis

Hypnosis–Dick-Sutphen–The-Battle-For-Your-Mind–Mass-Mind-Control-Techniques

ChainlessSlaves

Norton, Josh – MIB and Magickal Phenomena

Mind Control Using Holography and Disassociation

Physical Control of Mind

Patterns In Hypnosis [Complete]

The Search For The Manchurian Candidate – Cia And Mind Control

Operation Mind Control

NLP: Programming Frogs Into Princes

Trance-Formations Neuro-Linguistic Programming and the Structure of Hypnosis

Programming and Metaprogramming in the Human Biocomputer

Bodytalk—The Meaning of Human Gestures

Chasing Phantoms

Thanks_For_The_Memories (bryce taylor)

>>18241456
I'm reading the first pdf posted there, the one by Robert Duncan. It reads like a typical schizophrenic manifesto. If these people aren't crazy, then why do they sound so fucking crazy?

http://youtu.be/-SSa9tTa0-k

>>18241673
That one does sound crazy but that guy was a harvard alumni with a degree in electrical engineering

>>18242272
Anyway they aren't all equally "out there"

how could anyone believe these schizo ramblings

>>18242298
some of them are pretty interesting. There's a lot of gems hidden in what others consider garbage. if you are too close minded you'll never find anything near the truth.

I mean if any of you are interested in learning about psychology, I'd recommend patterns in nlp and erickson's work on trance induction.

>>18241456
new and improved, huh?

did my mind get harder to control?

or

are you just a scam artist....

profit?

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>>18241673
>>18242272
>>18242297
>>18242298
>>18242612
re: schizos and gems and conspiracy theory research with a dash of healthy skepticism

all of the links (except the first one) here in these two posts
>>18241458
>>18241461

are ones I provided. and, if you take a look at our google doc project
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1e58rw_uulApyqezyzZm8qmAkwRWfvCl7JZHkIgE2Ju4/edit
where we're compiling information, links and sources r/t Project Monarch
you'll see I've made annotations on a number of my entries

(if you were in the previous thread >>18168455
I came in near the end and I discussed in part there, as well...

It's not necessary that you go read my notes or comments at the end of the last thread or in the google doc - I don't use a trip anyway.
The point I want to make is that I'm a huge fan of conspiracy theories, but I'm not a full-fledged "conspiracy theorist". I love reading about conspiracy theories, researching them; there are many I doubt, or doubt parts of, but know much detail about.

This thread's just begun and there's already been some (Not at all mean-hearted and far from the usual 4chan bickering) back and forth about the "out there" and crazy sounding-ness of this stuff. I honestly feel that no matter where you fall on the "I want to believe" spectrum, these links are worth checking into and your participation in helping us compile sources in the google doc is welcome. We can agree on the trustworthiness of one source or another, we can disagree on which parts of a theory are true or not true or provable or not provable, but we're all here because we share an interest in this stuff, are we not? We're all searcher of truth. Maybe we can learn from one another as we go along.

>>18242104
trump and epstein are being sued by an alleged rape victim currently. trump admitted epstein was a friend of the clintons. the theory that they have been working together the whole time seems more and more likely when you consider hillary's people purportedly bolstered trump in some way in the media over the more challenging to defeat and moderate repubs like jeb.

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>>18244364
P.S. Fwiw, I'm (finally) now just reading through last threads major focus (at least at the start)

>http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2945015/pg1
>^^^ an illuminati handler talks about his trade

Just got to the part where he claimed his proudest moment or what accomplishment (in his job) he was most proud of.
His answer was 5/1/14
I searched and found that was the date of the iHeartRadio Music Awards. I searched again to see what celebrities stood out (gossip-wise) that night and found out about the pic/video of Rhianna laughing during an Ariana Grande performance that didn't go viral, but was the takeway of the night making the rounds on the net following the show. He (basically) admitted he's Ariana's handler. He was proud that "Ri" was laughing at what couldn't be done happening. Ariana wanted to be a lounge singer 50's style in her career but ended up a pop star - so the performance was a direct result of him.
*shrugs*
>pic related

I want to plug a website called The Vigilant Citizen. The writer examines a lot of Monarch Mind control in music, movies, TV, and the fashion industry.

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Anyone heard more from or have any more info on the older anon who remembers being "chosen" by the CIA? he had a lot of posts last thread about his memories, his father in the military... Went by the name "X". I don't think I've seen all his posts - I still have to finish reading the entire thread as I came in late to that one...
I saw that for the most part the feedback he got was that he was a bullshitting RP'er (those assholes). It's very obvious to me that this poster 100% believes his experiences and memories, is older than your average anon, and is just sharing (perhaps really valuable) details to all of us. Sure, there are people in fringe movements who don't buy what they themselves are selling, who are in it to make a profit off of the gullible, that sort of thing. But this anon, "X" is the complete and total opposite of that. Maybe he was a CIA asset, maybe he wasn't. What matters is HIS experience of it was REAL to him.


What are you thoughts on "X". I think someone said that they'd seen his posts before on /x/. will he post again? Has he told more of his story on /x/ before?
What other survivor stories do you guys know about? Through the google doc, I've been trying to spread awareness of Cathy O'Brien and her significance to Project Monarch.

Another really interesting survivor story is that of Kim Noble. Are any of you familiar with her or her artwork?
>pic related
If I wasn't so tired I'd provide some links for her

Things that interest me: is she believable like Mr "X" anon in their sincerity about their memories? How do we differentiate between those who are "real" and those that aren't? Would we have heard these same stories if it wasn't for Cathy O'Brien? Did Cathy somehow trigger and remind others of abuse, allowing them to recall deeper memories? or, did they see the success she had with her book and celebrity and want the same for themselves?

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>>18244656
>>18244759
maybe a good VC article to start with for folks could be this one
(in all honesty, I'm highly skeptical of their claims based on other info I've gotten there, myself. Just adding to discussion here, anon. I think because of VCs coverage of Project Monarch stuff, it def belongs in our list of links. Thanks, anon.

>http://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantreport/the-world-of-mind-control-through-the-eyes-of-an-artist-with-13-alter-personas/

I swear I remember seeing her on a talk show like Oprah once a long long time ago. Showed her paintings, they talked about them. Anyone else remember this or happen to know if she's appeared on TV?

>>18244759
>Kim Noble
from what ive read shes probably back in a controlled environment since she is a part of the tavistock institute now. that and how she had a bunch of media exposure but it, of course, completely left out the mind control/child abuse elements of her life and just focused on the DID.

>>18244778
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=69&v=n2atzoaA2NI

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>>18244778
>I'm highly skeptical of their claims
I take that back. I'm not highly skeptical, or at least I shouldn't be. In the past, a couple of suggest links that I ended up on there didn't do it for me, is all. I'm pretty sure they have a poor reputation with naysayers, trolls, skepDICKs, shills, what-have-you. I think it's one of those sites that a person like that will see "vigilant citizen" and say "dropped". Perhaps I'm wrong and mixing it up with another site (I'm running on little sleep and eyes are closing as I type this.)
Thanks again. Obviously it's a known conspiracy site, which as you said has a lot of MKUltra/Monarch programming, symbol, triggers, etc. info.. It's definitely worthy of our examination.

>pic related as a reminder to stay alert and research what what you find no matter where you find it

woah, one of my captcha pics was of a room with a white/black checkerboard floor!! AAH!

>>18244797
many thanks, will read up in the next day or two.

I first noticed heard about Tavistock Institute at the end of the previous thread when someone requested reading on it and later another anon came through with the link... this one
>http://famguardian.org/Publications/Shaping_The_Decline_Of_USA/Shaping_The_Decline_Of_USA-Coleman_John.pdf

If you have the time at all, would you mind giving us some info on it? perhaps even add some notes about the Decline of USA book with the .pdf linked in our google doc?

>>18244266
I don't practice mind control myself, I just research it thoroughly. Why do you think you are being mind controlled?

>>18244648
yes his client is ariana grande.
her music triggers me a lot now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf_wVfwpfp8

>>18242298
check out erickson's patterns in hypnosis on the pdf list and tell me if one of the most renown names in psychology strikes you as "schizo rambling". there's a lot included on that list, from mainstream accepted work most of you won't understand the true application of (such as patterns in hypnosis) to things that are a lot more "schizo" like the way that robert duncan's stuff reads. all depends how deep down the rabbit hole you want to go and if you want to learn the techniques yourself (this is dangerous shit and not a joke)

Ladyboys are all so cute and sweet i would love to hang out at the mall with one and get cute confectionery treats.

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>>18245117
I'm a singer myself and out of curiosity sometime after I'd become aware of her and maybe before I knew what show/network she'd been a kid star of and what kind of pop star she was, I searched out some examples of her singing. And turns out (in my opinion), she's really, really talented in that regard. One of the strongest and best voices among her peers, I'd say, easily.

That bit about her wanting to be a lounge singer and her voice would carry her to pull that off as a career? I'd but that. I could buy a music business manager telling her something like "fine, if you want to be a Norah Jones-type without the songwriting ability' or whatever other (better) example, 'fine, but I'm tellin ya kid, you could be Katy Perry, you could be Christina Aguilera... combined! bigger than them both! you got your fans, you're beautiful, you can sing and dance. I realize you want to be an "artist", but you're young, you'll have time for that. Go for the big fame, grab your chance to be huge, HUGE - make your millions- all you gotta do is' sing and dance like (iHeartRadio awards performance)

I realize her handler is suggesting it took a much, much deeper and darker level of manipulation to pull this off. He'd spoke in the glp thread of her alter "Ari" who was accused of 'hating America and donuts'.

While I saw a simpler sort of scenario - Occam's razor doesn't 'prove' it the right on. So what if it's 'more likely' to be right?

It could easily be both.

Did the handler OP say he was a psychologist? her therapist?
If not him, then I bet surely others in "the biz" can be mangers/voice coaches/therapists in a serious role while simultaneously functioning in secret as the handler (or with a handler.)

some examples of that voice of hers
>trigger warning
oh yeah, in what way does it trigger you exactly, anon?

https://youtu.be/tXE5tvSFaMA
https://youtu.be/1YlGpW4t4Xs
https://youtu.be/HvX10SyxCpg

p.s. /tv/ would give the Dan Schneider credit/blame -see
>gif related

>>18245914
She's just another shitty pop star with a superiority complex.

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Check it out, last night when I did a couple of quick google searches for Kim Noble, I found an incredible blog post without realizing it.
I'd searched the terms
>survivor project monarch ARTIST oprah
and found a link for this site and their articles with the tag "Oprah". Didn't see Kim Noble/Oprah and quickly moved on, leaving the tab open. So this morning I notice that this post (I clicked the title of the post to update the link to post here (and in the google doc)

>intheknow7.wordpress.com/2010/05/24/50yrs-of-mk-ultra-beta-sex-slaves-graphic-wvideos

50yrs of MK (Mind Kontrolle) Ultra BETA Prog’md Sex Slave Kittens (VIDEO)

it's excellent coverage of many stars over many years with photo and video examples, with text throughout giving detailed information.
I'm pleased to have found such a good source for specific information about BETA (kitten) sex-slave programming... would be nice to find something similar with a run down for the other programing types!

cont...

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>>18245986
**personal note
I'm not 100% convinced that beta programing is "real". I cannot confirm it's existence or non-existence. Where my doubts are, and the parts and in some cases where I do NOT believe are truthful or correct at all is the expression of it; i.e., beta programming could be 100% real - it's existence certified both beyond MKUltra and in its continued (well past the 'official' end of MKUltra) use through the 80's to possibly the present), yet I simply cannot and will not believe that a celebrity wearing black and white is sending a message. Sometimes black and white clothing is JUST black and white clothing! Every young female singer with butterflies in a video or every hand sign by a rapper and all the celebrities with a pic of them with a hand over one eye is intriguing (to say the very least!), but unfortunately it is far from PROOF that Monarch exists.
Perhaps there's more to know and understand, though. I'd be willing to change my stance if I come across new information that points out better evidence.
One problem with it that I've not yet found a reasonable explanation for is the purpose - what would the illuminati (?) have to gain by advertising a CIA program that was always very seriously intended to be kept secret, and despite that, what is the message or purpose in exposing themselves like that to the masses in (how I've seen the vast majority of conspiracy theory sites demonstrate it) blatant and obvious ways? (Blatant and obvious as soon as you know some symbols, colors and numbers - which clearly, the illuminati knows that we know.)
If anyone can point me towards understanding the message and meaning here, it'd be much appreciated.

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>>18245914
nah... Dan Schneider is a good boy. Just ask Icarly girl.

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>>18245960
... o k (?)

>>18245996
>just ask Icarly girl
ha.
For serious, what would be the connection between Dan and the OP handler in the glp thread? is there one?
If we're to believe the out-in-the-open-rumors about him (hasn't /tv/ called him a pedo to his face on twitter) he's a ritual abuser of these young girls (who often later become sex kittens, yes?). Does he do the horrible acts that "shatter" them, and the handler OP put them back together. And why, with the many believers of these dark forces has no one ever been caught? How can we prove these types of very serious (and very real and reasonable, if you do happen to believe in the stars' programming on being on display) crimes?

(Sorry if this Dan's role or connection was talked about in the glp thread - if you know, let me know and I'll drop it. I'm gonna make some time today to finish reading it.)
Prob won't be around much until late tonight, all. Will try to find time to check and update the google doc, though.
( https://docs.google.com/document/d/1e58rw_uulApyqezyzZm8qmAkwRWfvCl7JZHkIgE2Ju4/edit )

I know some of you believe in this topic fully, and have first-hand experiences of it; please do not misjudge my open-minded-yet-skeptical nature and forgive me for my tendency to play the devil's advocate. I have to follow the path of searching for the truth in the ways it leads me, just as you all do. Peace, frogs*.

*https://youtu.be/KRJKOtM-onM
Blood screams the pain as they chop off her fingers
Blood will be born in the birth of a nation
Blood is the rose of mysterious union
...
Blood on the rise, it's following me

>>18245986
>>18245992
>>18246028

Okay, so I'm fascinated by this whole topic but I never seen much of anything in-depth show up on this board. Just the occasional image of some old posts about the "real" Miley Cyrus and such. Is there somewhere which has consolidated information/theories about these singers/actors, the control, etc.?

>>18246133

No, because it isn't real. Yes there is paedophilia n hollywood, but Project Monarch is bullshit invented by somebody that is known for bullshitting.

>>18246155
Is that all it takes? Boy, the religious folks are gonna go nuts.

>>18245914
he says his "official role" is "doctor"
>>18246028
Regarding the Dan Schneider bit -
this was brought up in the handler thread. Apparently, he is not famous himself and stays behind the scenes. But, he also claims that if his work with athletes (football - which was what he did before entertainment) was revealed (in terms of which specific ones he worked with), his identity would be too easy to figure out.
>>18246133
I Highly Highly recommend the first two links on the thread's op which are by a person that claims to handle the shattering of actors and celebrities. That specific poster is still active on the blue monarch link and he goes by the handle jos so you can ask him questions yourself if you want. pseudo occult media was also and interesting resource.
>>18246155
You are wrong. Also, check out that quote by Rosanne Burr: "MK Ultra Rules in hollywood". Dirty little secret everybody who is really in on the game knows.

>>18246187
Yeah, I sort of felt like an idiot once I opened the GoogleDocs file and started reading the Blue Monarch thread, sorry about that. This is some interesting stuff, looks like there is a fuckton of reading to be done though. Thanks.

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>>18246202
there are so many places to get bits and pieces of info and different sorts of info - it being confusing and overwhelming as to where to start and which sources are best for what ... that's the main reason the google doc got started! glad you found it. everyone is welcome to contribute - whether it be content or just feedback. It's very much a work in progress. pretty much at this point we're just compiling different resources, giving descriptions of them. eventually, hopefully, we'll have built our own personal resource, structured and organized to suit /x/ anons of varied levels of knowledge in their hunt for more

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>>18246316
ha, that kirk gif is different than I remembered it. lewd! looks like I'm coming on to ya instead of just happy to see ya. hahaha.

>>18246187
I thank you for the info on Dan and the glb thread!

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>>18246155
>Yes there is paedophilia n hollywood
is that what brought you to this thread,

>>18246155
>Project Monarch is bullshit invented by somebody that is known for bullshitting.
because if this is the way you feel, you really needn't be posting here.

I understand and respect your views on the subject and we need not agree. (I I realize this is 4chan, I'm not going to waste any real time fighting fags being fags and the bait that will inevitably come - just trying to set a precedent here.)

If it actually turns out you're just a fan of conspiracy theory or have an interest in ritual abuse, then we may be able to exchange/discover new info or have things to talk about that would be helpful to both of us. The thing is, we're not going to be able to have that that type of discussion with posts about feelings that the subject in focus is total bullshit, especially said post offers nothing else at all.

>>18246316
That's fantastic. I'm glad I can sort of delve more into this whole thing, I never thought anything like this was available. Are you making new threads for this as the old ones expire? I'll actually have something to keep coming back to /x/ for again, which would be nice. This kind of shit is exactly what this board should be, and used to be.

>>18246364

You're right. I apologise for posting something purely negative without actually adding my reasoning or anything constructive. It was dumb and unhelpful.

I do believe that ritualistic abuse goes on in Hollywood, but I don't know if I can believe the extent to which it goes on (creating what amounts to sex slaves). A lot of what I've read has made it difficult to pick out what might be reliable information, and what might be delusion.

I worked in the music industry briefly in England and that shit was so corrupt I bailed.

>>18246028
>he's a ritual abuser of these young girls
I don't think he abused them. He just trade with them sex in exchange for fame and money. Usually, that's how Hollywood works.

>>18246028
>Dan and the OP handler in the glp thread
link?

>>18245996
Heard at /tv/ that she is a wild gangbang bitch at USC's football parties. Apparently, Dan Schneider defiled her beyond imaginary.

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>>18246392
so great to hear that! I've been on /x/ a long time (on 4chan in general many years now), but apparently not long enough for the real 'good old days'... I think horror over-all (and to some extent paranormal, but not as much) has gotten stale on the internet along with /x/ as the online culture has changed and aged. Creepypasta sites and fandoms don't have the same edge. Slenderman is old news. We've heard the same stories again and again. That story project with all the specimen/species pretty much died out, right? I dunno, maybe it's both.

Anyways, Caylus made the previous thread which was the original I believe, and this one when the thread expired. Worth having a look through that first thread, as we have some discussion about a few things, like the godlikeproductions (glp) thread, still ongoing. also, near the end is where we talk about starting the googledoc collaboration.

>https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/18168455/

(for now, the thread is in our temp archive here, too http://boards.4chan.org/x/thread/18168455)

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>>18246393
No worries! I appreciate your willingness to reconsider your stance, I really do.

I have this funny screen cap about 'something really spooky going on in this thread' that turns out to be 'someone admitted they were wrong on 4chan'!! it's on my other laptop, I have to post it to you.

So nice to have an adult interaction!!

I don't actually completely disagree with you either. I am really suspicious about this stuff, but far from convinced of it. There is a TON of information there stated all over as fact when it's all speculation and allegations without much (or any) real evidence. I understand why people believe anyway. And I'm not trying to change any minds about it, except perhaps my own... these are me: >>18244364 , >>18244759 , >>18244818 , >>18245992
and >>18246028


>I worked in the music industry briefly in England and that shit was so corrupt I bailed.
Cool about your work, not cool about the corruption going on... any details you can share with us?

>>18241456
Awesome links. Thanks, OP.

>>18246427
That's a good point, but in the U.S., if they're underage when the sex happens it could be rape. Still, rape is not the same as sexual abuse (rape) of a child to induce trauma and control them.

>>18246429
Dan Schneider came up with regards to Ari. Not sure how or when it started. I had read in the past accusations about him that may have been no more than an envious teen boys hating on a fat guy who was a young actor turned mutli-milionaire producer who is still

>>18246429
was just speculating
glp thread w Dan mentioned is here
>http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2945015/pg1

>>18246680
not OP but, sweet - let us know your thoughts or anything you discover reading through them we should know about in the google doc

**question, should I be using I trip? Since the end of the last thread and the start of the doc I've been quite the contributor here. I've never used one, but I could look up how... /x/ doesn't mind that in cases like this right? I could just be designated as the skeptic conspiracy buff anon who's trying to organize everything? heheh. Maybe I'll just use a name. It's not the type of thing where I'd be worried about anyone trying to post as me.

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>>18246155
>>18246187
>>18246364
>>18246393


So happy right now! love you, /x/-philes.

>>18246393
>but I don't know if I can believe the extent to which it goes on (creating what amounts to sex slaves).
You can take this or leave this, but one of the standard alters created in programming does include a "sex kitten". Does that mean that celebrities are "sold out" simply for sex rituals? I don't think it's that simple. I think that this alter is a standard because
1) sex sells and
2) anything can be bought
I don't think that it's par for the course that celebrities pass their days and nights in bohemian grove style crazy sex parties - just that sex is one modality in which your average celeb is forced to think within, both professionally and occasionally in other contexts.

Do you not understand how schizophrenic this stuff reads?

>>18247003
>*question, should I be using I trip
totally up to you my friend. might make it easier to distinguish between us. If you want to use one it's just (in the name field) [name]#password with password whatever you want your password to be. then you just post that when you want a trip.

>>18247280
Are you referring specifically to the robert duncan document or something else? as I said not all sources are necessarily equal.

>>18247280
It's not schizophrenic at all. Do you want me to explain it to you psychologically?

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>>18246392
>Are you making new threads for this as the old ones expire?
I am going to be trying to yeah, I noticed that lots of other boards have regular threads so I figured why not /x/? I have a weird obsession with the subject of mind control and have been researching it for awhile and I figured there must be at least a few on /x/ who were interested in the subject, as it is truly spooky and I believe quite real. I also saw, comparative to the occult and the esoteric (other subjects I genuinely enjoy) there seemed to be almost nothing on mind control here.

This is a Jos quote from my forum - in pertinence to what happens when a celebrity is taken to the "top" (to be an A-lister)

"I'll elaborate on this - hypothetically:

Client X is informed that 'people at the top' want to 'see them'. This isn't unusual nor is the clandestine way it is presented. if a client presses, names are dropped and they'll get excited.

Client X is isolated in some way. A surprise trip away from home to meet these 'top people', agent unable to accompany, might happen very quickly with no time to prepare so that no one can come along.

Client X experiences "the wedge' - a programmer (or programming team member) is introduced, usually a fabrication - the first role play - this is a traumatic event where the client is instructed to create the first alter. I don't want to be gruesome here, Suffice it to say that this alter is insisted upon very adamantly.

Client X is introduced to a support team, 'good guys' to help them through their trauma.

Client X is allowed a time of 'healing' as far away from real help as can be acquired. Support Team member takes on role of confidant and works to become what the client needs in order to heal.

Client X is then taken to a "Programmer Cover" (could be a doctor, policeman, whatever most fits the narrative). Of course the client immediately recognizes the 'programmer' in their true guise. The alter that was 'wedged' free is then reinforced.

The true shattering has begun. "

oh, its tis thread again

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>>18248461
same thread, different content. vastly ;)

>>18241456
>http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2945015/pg1

>Since being promoted to the entertainment ministry of our organization, I have done fairly well. I was placed in charge of one rather prominent young woman who is rising in the world of pop music. I won't give her name, but I will give clues as to whom she might be. Why? Because it entertains me to do so. To see if you can figure out who she might be.

>OP is Dan schneider

That make me chuckle. Always wonder if all the creepy rumours about him are real or just a creepy meme.

>>18242298
this

>>18246155
/thread

>>18248951
schizo ramblings as specifically what? because mk ultra never happened, right?

oookay.

>>18248982
>if one thing has some truth to it, all the ramblings are valid

>>18248984
>if some of the material isn't true, literally all of it is schizophrenic rambling
you are clearly on the road to redpill , good luck with that, sheep.

>>18248986
>sheep
>redpill
here we go. you are a living meme.

And yes, if a large percentage isnt true, that indeed makes it kind of bullshit

>>18248989
>if a large percentage isnt true
implying it isn't true because you said it isn't
great argument. very well sourced and logical.
>it's false because I don't want to believe it, research it, look into it, or think about it any more deeply then passing it off as schizoid because I'm lazy
people like you are part of the problem.

>>18249002
Argument against what exactly? I have yet to see evidence

>>18249004
the argument that mind control exists today in some capacity and is practiced to control important people. the evidence posted was in the contents of the op. if you have any interest whatsoever in discerning the truth, whether or not you ultimately believe what you read, it's your responsibility to consider all the evidence, not merely excise that which you find crazy or illogical and pass it off as the entirety of the argument. Try reading the account of jos himself who claims to do this kind of work and see if that guy actually sounds like a schizo or somebody who is extremely well versed in cerebral science. you are talking to a psychology major. you come off as uneducated in the least. but I somehow don't expect that you take any of this seriously enough to look into it with a serious and dispassionate consideration, so maybe you should go back to the paranormal threads .

>>18249010
>keeps resorting to namecalling
Absolutely no surprise here

>>18249012
Namecalling? I have yet to read one valid assertion that addresses any of the resources provided in the original post.
Have a good day shitposting, sir.

>>18249014
Yes, namecalling. Anybody who doesnt agree with you is a sheep, lazy and uneducated.

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>>18249020
If you want to be taken seriously, come back with an actual assertion. Sorry, but "This is schizophrenic rambling" isn't going to cut it any better then a rebuttal that you're a sheep. Or perhaps you aren't self-aware enough to recognize hypocrisy.

>>18249025
>he keeps doing it

I get the feeling, that no matter what I would bring up, as long as it doesnt agree with your preconceived notions, I am just a sheep that needs to wake up. And you wonder why this sounds so schizophrenic to people. It is not that certain methods arent proven to work or that people cant be manipulated, it is the idea of "THEM" controlling the world and everybody who doesnt see this is just a mindless slave.

>>18249032
I just came to this thread.
Duck off faggot

you can feel the love itt

>>18249118
yeah you can, and in a few places, before this happened:

>>18248951
>>18248982
>>18248984
>>18248986
>>18248989
>>18249002
>>18249004
>>18249010
>>18249012
>>18249014
>>18249020
>>18249025
>>18249032
>>18249089

If you must to call someone out for posting something useless like "this is schizo", be respectful and explain why that's a problem.
see >>18246364
if that person's (or another anon's) response to that is to repeat useless opinions without adding something constructive, please, ignore them.

We're trying to work on a making an archive of information to help /x/ ITT, and with our googgle doc project. It's already been demonstrated that some of us have some level of doubt about parts of the Project Monarch story, but are interested in it and seeking to understand it, perhaps discover evidence one way or another, to find resources that have solid information. We have an opportunity to cooperate here, and not pull the same old nitpicking and arguing, anons. Why not, just this once, let's just be grown up and smart about this. We're open-minded people likely, or we wouldn't be here. If someone's insulting to you in expressing their doubts, let it go. There are anons around who're willing to have a productive conversation and work together with you despite having doubts that are in opposition to your beliefs, people who won't be insulting, but understanding and respectful instead. We needn't rise to the bait and waste our time with the others.

p.s. >>18247009

>>18247272
not the anon you're responding, too. But you bring up some good points. It got me thinking back on how the OP from the glp thread refers himself to an "illuminati handler". What's that say about the illuminati vs. CIA/Project Monarch? They could be the same, related, or one has infiltrated the other, right? Maybe the Project Monarch stuff has stopped, but the current elite powers (illuminati) are using CIA methods to further their own ends.

Jos, the OP of the glp thread is a handler for some U.S. sports star, or sports stars, right? Football players, was it? Didn't he say if he gave clues about who he worked with in that field, he'd give himself away? Does he ever say what controlling Ariana Grande does for his bosses (again, the "illuminati")? is it just to bring in millions? Make music and videos with using their symbology?

as for CIA-Monarch-illuminati, where do you think RA and pedophile rings (particularly in Hollywood) fit in to this scheme?

>>18247284
thank you for the info, I may decide to do it if the thread stays pretty active and if I can think of what my name should be.

>>18248157
wow, that's some heavy stuff.

any celebrity examples where this might have happened come to mind, Caylus?

I hope I can make time to read more today and to get back to the google doc, btw. Thanks again, for everything.

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>>18245914
>>18249312
>>18245996

> Miranda Cosgrove, 16: $180,000 per episode for iCarly.

Mindblowing. Hollywood's producers paid her that crazy amount of money when she was just 16 years old. No doubt something really wrong happened at that kids show set.

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>>18249328
HAHAHAH

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>>18249404
>No doubt something really wrong happened at that kids show set.
Interesting! and you say this based on the amount of money she made? no other kid was near that? Maybe you're basing it off of Dan Schneider rumors + that amount... Just curious if you know more, but if I have time I might just look into it myself.

>>18249546

>Only kids shows:

> Miranda Cosgrove, 16 "iCarly" $180,000
> Selena Gomez, 17 "Wizards of Waverly Place" $25,000
> Dylan and Cole Sprouse, 17 "The Suite Life" $20,000 each
> Keke Palmer, 16 "True Jackson" $20,000
> Miley Cyrus, 17 "Hannah Montana" $15,000
> Demi Lovato, 17 "Sonny With a Chance" $12,000
> Victoria Justice, 17 "Victorious" $12,000

Cosgrove earned more than Selena Gomez, Keke Palmer, Miley Cirus, Demi Lovato and Victoria Justice. Something is going on here...

>>18249641
Even more than all of them together. That really is weird. I guess that icarly is quite popular and shit, but it is still a kids show. I mean, usually actors get a lot of money when they are established and known to be a good investment for pulling in an audience

>>18249641
>>18249654

9. BLIND GOSSIP 09/03
You probably won’t watch this show if you are over the age of thirty, but you would know the name of the girl involved. She is just so sweet and innocent looking, it’s hard to believe that she is pregnant. Or, rather, was pregnant. The father of the baby – who is a person of responsibility in the actress’ world – had to beg and plead with her to give up the thought of becoming a mother at such a young age. Oh, and if his wife had known about this, she probably would have agreed. Miranda Cosgrove/Dan Schneider, executive producer for iCarly

http://www.agcwebpages.com/BLINDITEMS/2010/SEPTOCT.html

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>>18249748

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>>18249301
Jos uses the "Illuminati" as a word which refers to the people in power with money, not necessarily a specific group which goes by that name. He got his training in a sensitive military program so I don't think the connections between intelligence agencies and hollywood are negligible. There are some who theorize that groups like Scientology, intelligence agencies, and hollywood, are all fronts used by people who pull the strings - if you don't like the word "Illuminati", let's just say the people with most of the money in the world.

Jos said that his work started out with athletics, but he's since "graduated" to entertainment. I take that to mean he no longer works with athletes.

He described the use of his work with Ariana by making an analogy to an expensive car or property. If you make a huge investment in something, which the "Illuminati" do when they make A list celebrities, you want to make sure your investment is going to pay off. You'd probably do everything in your power to ensure that your investment does pay off. A lot of mind controlled subjects are referred to in his line of work as "assets" for this reason, they are literally investments. What he does is ensure that the proper people retain control of the investment and the agendas that stardom have the power to push.

Consider the fact that Katy Perry is a huge Hillary supporter. I'm not going to get political here as I believe the whole election is basically a sham, but do you really think it's Katy Perry's opinion that is important here? Or do you think that her "team" instructs her on what agendas they want her to throw her weight behind? The weight of stardom is not in the least insignificant.

You may notice right now that feminism is a huge agenda they are pushing (for better or worse, judgments aside - I mean I'm a female myself). And by they I mean entities like Ariana Grande, Amy Shumar, Lady Gaga, etc.

>>18249641
>>18249404
I can't speak to whether or not this is general practice - according to Jos, children are not generally "shattered" because their minds are still formative and the process is too unpredictable to be worthwhile.

He says that usually at that age there is "preconditioning" going on but not full-blown shattering. He also said he'd never work with a kid.

But do fucked up things happen to child stars? I bet all the time, yes...
I wonder if that would make them more or less easy to "mind control" though.

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>>18250412
I'm not the anon you were responding to, but as I'm still working my way through the reading I've become curious about something. Maybe it does get addressed at some point and I just haven't gotten there yet, but I'm wondering about bands.

For example, the band Fall Out Boy. I'm sure everyone here hates them, but the fact is that at various points they have enjoyed immense fame and popularity. They have a front man in Pete Wentz who has been a tabloid fixture, pretty high levels of exposure. On the other hand, you have their drummer Andy Hurley (who happens to be an anarchist) and guitarist Joe Trohman who will never have the same amount of fame as their bandmate. I don't know whether Fall Out Boy is even subject to having a handler like Jos but if they are, does the entire band have a single handler or do they each have their own? How does "handling" a band differ from a single artist/celebrity?

>>18250559
The lead singer/ front man is just more popular. Thats pretty much the case with every band

>>18250559
I'm going to ask Jos that question and I'll get back to you when he responds. I haven't thought to ask that yet.

>>18249020
>>18249292
this

people need to learn how to handle criticism

>>18250564
The frontman's popularity isn't really what my question is about. Most bands do fit that mold, sure, but there are bands who do not. I'm more curious about the differences between exerting influence/control over a group of people in a band and a single artist.

>>18250639
You're too awesome, thank you. Definitely interested to see what he has to say.

Who the fuck is Jo???

Is this some sort of ellaborate RP?

>>18250736
http://bluemonarch.freeforums.net/thread/10/machine-illuminati-handling
^^^ that's his thread
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2945015/pg1
^^^ this was his first thread
https://cybercosmopolitan.wordpress.com/2016/06/20/the-illuminati-handler/
^^^ I hosted him on my blog for awhile before I made a forum

he's a good source of information, a person I've been talking to for about a year now, about mind control, maybe the best source I've found.

>>18250777
>>18250736
whether or not you believe his claims, some of what he's written in terms of its technical literacy and its understanding of psychological principles makes the entirety worth considering in my opinion, he's been pretty consistent.

>>18250666
Ah, alright, gotcha satan. I thought you were implying that it needs some manipulation in order for the frontman being more popular. sorry

>>18250782
>>18250777
Here is some stuff Jos said on my blog regarding terminology like "shattering" and "triggers"
Shattering simply is compartmentalizing the mind. Think of it as you would a hard drive partition. Within that partition, data is stored. This data is a template personality to fit a specific need or role. An example of this is the most often cited ‘sex-kitten’, simply a ‘character’ who has been successfully uninhibited to all things sexual. These ‘characters’ are often shallow and require a great deal of development over time. in many ways they are children – devoid of various experiences and the proper reception to them. You’ll see videos of stars ‘hanging’. We try to make sure they aren’t easily thrown but you must be enormously thorough, implanting a lifetime’s experience in each shard. This is the purpose of making each of the alters aware and able to share experience. They may need to help out.

A classic example of this is Britney’s early interview with Barbara Walters. Barbara asks her about a recent betrayal procedure and triggers her simultaneously. The alter that was engaged had no frame of reference for the intense emotions and so she attempted to summon ‘Strong Britney” but failed.

Triggers differ based upon the programmer. They could be anything from touch to voices to phrases to visual cues to audio cues. I prefer a combination of phrase and audio cue as a fail-safe against accidental triggering. However I also employ emergency triggers that involve all of the above in case of catastrophic failure. These are much more ham-fisted and obvious. You can see them for yourself. Search youtube for any celebrity meltdown and see if you can spot them.

As for how they are created – well, I’d rather not go into the unsavory details. Suffice it to say that they are reinforced with confusion to clarity awards, chaos to stasis awards, other physical awards, punishment, and lots of repetition."

>>18250985
Part 2:
"Triggers are everything. They are the ‘keys to the kingdom’ to any asset – control them and you control the subject. They are not written down, shared only with the most trusted of handlers. Mishandling them will lead to expulsion… perhaps worse.

As for how to shatter someone – it’s a process the length of which can only be determined by the subject’s amenability. It begins similarly for all, some form of trauma, a softening of the defenses that is almost always a ruse. It is followed by a time of peace which, is then followed by a betrayal procedure. After that, the ‘real work’ begins – various methods are employed."

>>18250988
Part 3 (handling team)
"The traditional team is comprised of: Agent, Agency Team (select members), and someone in a roll close to the client’s daily life (Life Coach, Personal Assistant, Spouse, Family Member, Band Manager, band mate, etc.). All of these rolls are not necessarily filled for every client and not all of them are given trigger information unless it becomes clear that such is needed. There are many subordinates involved, though they are not always aware of the ‘truth’ of the client’s situation. For example, most celebrities no longer hire full-time bodyguards but contract with private companies and so where once, personal security was an intricate part of the equation, they are no longer in most cases.

For my first client, we have the Agent, Agency GM, Agency Artist Manager, and mom. Before that, her preconditioning was handled by a life coach and inadvertently, mom. Life Coach aside, all of these are Trigger-Bearers and have been trained by me to properly handle the client. I communicate daily with Agent and have team meetings every two weeks. often I only sit in on these as they are usually outside the scope of my expertise. I am there as a fail safe should a certain plan or event be something I consider detrimental or coincidental to the client’s program, but also to instruct team members of any events I have scheduled for program constancy.

The teams primary function is as mundane as handling a celebrity’s career ever is (plane tickets, bookings, riders, etc.). They also make arrangements to fulfill various aspects of a program event; acquiring talent, handling affairs, etc. I am very meticulous and prefer generally, to make my own arrangements, but I do utilize them when needed."

>>18250777
>>18250782
so some guy, who made informative threads. got it. was wondering. will give it a read.

thanks

>>18251006
He claims to be the handler for a prominent pop star whose music you've probably heard. If what he says is true, the world of celebrities is a darker place then it appears.

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>>18250412
anon, that was one of, if not thee, single best responses to an inquiry like mine on 4chan ever. THANK YOU. I've been back and forth when I have some time reading through the GLP thread and though I do plan on finishing it, you've given me new eyes to read it with - an insight and understanding I wouldn't otherwise have had. Thank you for your thoughtful reply, and your avoidance of stirring up the political and other hot-topics that only serve to separate us with emotional arguing and distract us from further understanding.

I've written more in reply to you but as I was running out of room and time, I've saved a copy for now and will likely reply at a later time to discuss Jos and your post further. I'm so impressed with how well-informed you are - what a boost for us ITT that you've actually been talking with this guy for over a year!

For someone like me (I've mentioned a couple of times how I'm fascinating with conspiracies and love researching them, but am a bit of skeptic), I'll admit that while I'm not 100% convinced of "project monarch", what this OP of the GLP thread has said here is hard to refute. In fact, what loses me to a lot of conspiracy theories is coming across an assertion that I know myself to be false, or one that I research and discover it's based off of a faulty interpretation of data or some other inconsistency. I'm a healthcare worker and have been in the career for many years. I have years of college completed towards two different healthcare degrees, and know a great deal, not only about A&P, but also the industry. Usually conspiracy topics that touch on these in some way are ones I've (often with disappointment) seen through. I never take a fact or a conclusion for granted - no matter how the co-incidences pile up. And the the thing is, I've not come across a single thing that Jos has said that I can deny.

I really appreciate you taking the time to highlight his explanations for me, thanks again.

>>18251170
That's a huge compliment, thanks! I have been studying psychology for going on ten years now and one of the things I couldn't bring myself to overlook was the possibility for the principles of psychology to be applied in unsavory contexts. There was the declassified mk ultra reports, but the more I learned about the topic of psychology, behaviorism, and simple skinner box conditioning - not to mention cult programming and that kind of peer-mediated influence- I couldnt deny that whether or not we were willing to publically acknowledge the use of psychology in a dark or manipulative context, that use for it was very real, and at the disposal of anybody unethical enough to apply it. The motivation for someone to do so seemed obvious enough. And while few might have the resources, I'm sure we can come up with a few segments of the population who indeed have the resources to make use of exploitive psychology.

When Jos appeared I was skeptical as well, but this being my subject matter of choice I was very eager to vet his knowledge and I found it very difficult to dismiss. I felt immediately that people's dismissal of subject's like mind control stem from being misinformed about it being somehow out of the realm of ordinary psychology, when in fact it is scientifically supported by ordinary psychology - just not ethically supported or discussed in general academic communities.

>>18250666
>>18250639
>You're too awesome, thank you. Definitely interested to see what he has to say.

Jos's comment was:
"Yes, bands are usually programmed by the same programmer. However, usually only the most public of the band's personalities are programmed. The others are aware. In some cases they become handlers as well.

As an aside: Wasn't Mr. Wentz in another band prior to Fallout Boy? in that case, there could be multiple programmers involved."

>>18244846

It may be interesting to some that tavistock is widely suspected to be involved with/creator of GLP. So bear that in mind if you decide to wade through >>18244648

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>>18246028
>. And why, with the many believers of these dark forces has no one ever been caught?

Jimmy saville was fucking kids for 50 years and nobody did shit about it or believed anyone who claimed it, and he literally went round the place dressed like a fucking nonce. There's plenty of politicians and other media types who've been thrown to the wolves since that happened.

It's almost unrealistic to expect that there isn't a paedo ring in Hollywood desu. It's exactly the kind of thing a wrongcock would want to be involved in: lots of young impressionable girls/boss desperate to get ahead, parents who'll turn a blind eye, tame police bla bla bla

Eventually someone will die or get caught and someof the truth will come out like in the UK

>>18249641
>>18249748
>>18250419
>But do fucked up things happen to child stars? I bet all the time, yes...
>I wonder if that would make them more or less easy to "mind control" though.

Who knows, but I don't think there's nothing unusual here. It's just Hollywood being Hollywood: submissive sex in exchange for money and fame.

>>18252010
that's absolutely right!
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=glp%20tavistock
My suspicion after being a former longtime member is that GLP is a honeypot for radical extremism and watchlisting. The site is also riddled with viruses and other nebulous spyware. Its owner Jason Lucas created spyware and marketed it. It might be wise to browse with a proxy or noscript enabled. Just a fair warning for all.

>>18250639
Ask him about what's up with Dan Schneider and that girl, Miranda Cosgrove. That huge paycheck is so suspicious >>18249641
Probably something weird happens even for Hollywood standards.

BUMPING FOR JUSTICE

>>18252028
Great point. It really is so shameful and morally repugnant people just cannot face facing it. When the Sandusky scandal hit, I was disgusted by - and still am so - the defending of Joe Paterno. He was completely guilty of failing to 'face it'. No, it wasn't that he couldn't imagine it happening, that he was some innocent old man. He was a football coach who majored in English Lit and referred to Virgil's Aeneid to inspire players. Fuck him. "I wish I would have done more" - JoePa. No shit. I get why people fail to report these things, that's why teachers and healthcare workers are trained (for some, how to recognize it) and REQUIRED to report that shit and get the kid the fuck out of harm's way. Him looking the other way is unforgiveable, and the fact that Joe RAN that board and told them what to do, had all the power and influence over the entirety of state college -- Paterno would have had a Saville situation in that town if he were the abuser and not Sandusky.
Don't misunderstand, Sandusky is, well, not even human. And he would have hurt kids whether Joe prevented his access to Penn State's facilities or not (like through his charity foundation.) But had Joe had the balls to risk a scandal - do you really think having Sandusky investigated back then would have cost you wins? - he would have most likely prevented years of rape and sexual abuse of other boys.

So, absolutely, the truth in these kinds of situations isn't helpful if it isn't known, not even if there are suspicions that turn out to be true it's no good. And evidence in this case is often circumstantial, and he said she said, and you know the drift... If JoePa had only used e-mail he'd have been arrested along with Curly and Schultz.

So, help an anon out - beyond the Dutroux affair - where is the circumstantial or hard evidence that famous young people (or ordinary) people are being systematically abused -not by one powerful person, but by a group of them acting together?

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>>18252634
hell ya!

>>18252753
(cont)

Can we expose these people some how? Is it a matter of talking to victims?
Caylus, I remember what Jos said about the people on GLP being different and believers and such (as to why he talked there), what does he suggest people like that DO about any of this? anything? do you personally think of a way to start proving things and finding ways to be heard (AND taken seriously).

I'll remind you guys I investigated McMartin for myself when I read the chapter on the Pedophocracy in Programmed to Kill, and found some of his supporting details were inaccurate that made his circumstantial evidence actually real coincidences. I'll go into detail some other time if you guys want.
I <3 Dave McGowan, I really do...

Sorry if I'm rambling and if there are typos or if I didn't make sense where I should have because I'm racing to type this. I -must- get back to work.

>>18252028
oh, and while I ran off on a tangent about JoePa, I did wanted to nitpick (playing devill's advocate again) that Saville getting away with it supports the TPTB/illuminati" getting away with hidden abuse, but Saville wasn't using mind control, wasn't worshiping Satan... He didn't operate in a powerful 'ring' of friends who raped along with him at the hospitals and the BBC, right?

I think it'd be a disservice to our cause to say he must have been a part of the illuminati just because he did some of what they do, you know?

Though I do agree with you that there absolutely must be powerful, connected, and extremely wealthy - the elite- of Hollywood who are hidden Saville's, and that there probably is a 'ring' of them.

Fuck those sonsa'bitches!

>>18251607

Interesting. Thank you again for asking!

Yeah, Wentz was in a band called Arma Angelus before forming Fall Out Boy, he was in a number of bands in the Chicago area. Same with the other members of the band except for Stump.

Jos' answer has my wheels of curiosity turning now.

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I thought of what my name for these threads should be, you guys.

>>18244364
>>18244648
>>18244759
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^Skully posts

I noticed a couple replies I still need to respond to, btw.
I do think it'll be easier on all of us if I use the trip at this point. Or at least put in Skully as my name. This will be the trip if it (I doubt it) comes to someone impersonating me.
I do post from one of two laptops back and forth depending on what part of the house I'm in and what I'm working on, or if studying for school - that shouldn't affect using the tripcode, right?

Keep up the great discussion and work everybody. I've been posting here over the last two days but haven't had any time for the google doc. Any new updates? We can always use help in getting the info discovered in the threads moved over to the doc, if anyone wants to pitch in that way. In fact, I believe there are still links from the original thread that need to be recopied in the doc.

Happy hunting for that truth, /x/.

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>>18252859
p.s. Just so no one thinks I screwed up or wonders what the deal is:
Yes, her name is Scully. I'm "Skully".

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>>18252768
The problem with victim exposes, such as the famous ones by Cathy O' Brian, Bryce Taylor, etc - is that from the victim's perspective, it's like asking them to pay close attention to the bird that just flew by in the window while you submerge their hands in hot oil. Of course they are going to get most of it wrong, being distracted by the pain. Even if they recount things correctly, it's unlikely they'll be able to contextualize these memories.

Considering the entire aim of the whole affair is to muddle with the mind and what it remembers, I don't know if exposes by the people who have been through it will ever serve to truly prove these programs in the minds of anybody but the people who programmed them.

I think if such efforts were to be exposed, it would have to be by recreating its methods in a way that the mainstream science could not deny was plausible. The would cause the subject to perhaps be treated with enough scrutiny for people to realize it can be and is still used.

I'm not fully caught up with reading the thread but I suppose this is a decent audience to explain in detail what I remember about the creating of additional identity structures within my consciousness. The circumstances were probably controlled greatly by the programs and at least one of my older brothers was most likely also subjected to some similar conditioning. A few weeks after I turned 4 my family moved to Germany where I spent around one year with very little exposure to anyone that spoke English outside of my immediate family. My father taught me to read after I had spent some time with the hooked on phonics records etc. He was intense like the calm in the eye of a tornado due to his time in Vietnam. As an example of the idea that I was of above average intelligence, I picked out a model of a train on a trip to a German toy store. It was of the first train to run in Europe around 1838 and supposedly for ages 12 and up etc. My brothers, 2 and 3 years older than me, were clueless and not able to help and I was told I either build it or it goes in the trash. The instructions were in many languages and I tried to read them all as I pushed through to completing it with my head hurting from the effort.
After a year living on the German economy we moved onto the American military post there in Manheim where I was taken to several events with lots of English speaking kids and eventually signed up for kindergarten. The 'friend' of my dad that I mentioned in the other thread visited around this time. I remember riding in the passenger seat with him as the chemicals wore off. We were on a two lane devided highway with several tens of meters between the cars traveling in opposite directions and no visible buildings when he turned off the road where there appeared to be no road. He drove up a steep slope unpaved road that was concealed by the thick fir tree hillside and parked at a building in a small clearing.

>>18253271
As we walked through an area with mostly empty store type shelving I noticed a fisher-price top that had the train that would go around inside it. Looking at it I saw the little train display in a much much higher level of detail than it was actually built to, probably due to mind altering chemicals. We continued on to the rear of the area and my next memory is of being completely physically exhausted, unable to move, laying face down on a ceramic tile floor with the epoxy grout (commonly used in butcher shops since the 1950s). Unable to move to the extent that when dark yellow urine flowed from me I didn't make the slightest motion. I think water had been withheld as a method of control and then given afterward. I do not have specific memory of what took place but many of my other memories are of obvious testing, training and conditioning. As I mentioned before, when I was 7, I did try to ask my brother if 'they' had ever taken him to that toy store or warehouse up in the mountains.

>>18244759
Thanks for your interest. I do not consider any of my experience to be unusual. I'm just as weirded out by the fact that you all didn't go through this as you may be by the fact that I did.

Link to the previous thread
Https://boards.4chan.org/x/thread/18168455#bottom

>>18252794
You are talking about "Svali" right? The other illuminati programmer that came forward? I suppose I should link that work as well.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_illuminati_svali01b.htm

Being a part of the Illuminati IS indeed a bloodline thing. There is a spiritual aspect, one which Jos says he ignores entirely (the "woo" he calls it) but his colleagues and peers do NOT. They are indeed interested in the "luciferian" or whatever you call it. But there isn't one single determinate form of spirituality they all hail by.

It's a power by birth and connection thing that make some people self proclaimed "elite". And those groups might refer to themselves as the illuminati absolutely. And they are the same people with the money we likely refer to when we talk about these old, wealthy, powerful families.

They are ritualistic by nature, and of course they consider their own bloodlines powerful.

What is arguably the most scary about mind control though is that proper execution doesn't require access to hughly confidential insiders "handler" manuals. All it requires is proper contextualization of psychological principles that are already known.
-interrogation tactics
-hypnotherapy guides
-total institutionalization
-conditioning

>>18253268
It's well known that when hypnotized, people can be made to have "photographic memories", although technically everyone has a "photographic memory" --- everything you've ever smelled, tasted, seen, thought of, heard, wrote, read, saw, and so on and so forth, down to you reading this post, is recorded in your brain until (so far as scientists affirm) you die. When you're in a hypnotic/dissociative trance, the typical barriers to keeping this memory where it can easily be retrieved are removed. This is the basis of hypnotic regression to your childhood to recover "lost memories".

tl;dr they claim they have photographic memory from their abuse which caused them to go into an hypnotic trance which causes people to have photographic memories

>>18254197
I moved every year and a half of my life until I was 20. All I had of my past I carried with me by memory. I spent time examining my past by reviewing my memory. The ability to recall in great detail is a natural one but it is greatly strengthened through constant effort.

>>18253950
The true key to successful alter creation is the use of chemicals that affect the mind. Controlling what is remembered is the main rudder guiding the course.

>>18254197
There's a name for this. Amnesiac barriers instituted by what is called "state-dependant memory"

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Whoever was asking about Miranda Cosgrove, we got a tip to "research her parentage"...

>>18254739

what? you what?

>>18254850
? sorry what do you not understand lol
I was referring to this post in particular
>>18249641
>Something is going on here....
Perhaps somebody should research Miranda Cosgrove's parentage

>>18255010
Oh. Well I'm definitely not the guy to do that, but why? Was it just an anonymous tip?

>>18241456

um ... "(LSD)'s active ingredient is psilocybin"

i kek'd

>>18249641
Would have thought Miley would have been paid way more for Hannah Montana that shit was HUGE at the time- plus it's Disney

That is pretty weird

>>18246133
read the book programmed to kill- you should be able to find it online. There's AT LEAST some sort of international pedo/snuff organization. probably blackmail, possible us government involvement, possibly no such thing as 'serial killers,' A brilliant sickening novel

>>18254739
>we got a tip to "research her parentage"...
What that means? Care to elaborate?

>>18255537
eh, I asked about it, we should look into it I guess. I might do it at some point.

>>18255751
mm... interesting. Thanks, anon.

>>18241456

Bravo with all the sources op. Good stuff.

>>18246463
>>18249641

So, that's why Cosgrove is a hardcore nympho at college apparently, Hollywood's old men *trained* her to enjoy brutal sex... Poor thing actually.

>>18252634
this so much.

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I'm so glad to see you've made it back. I remember from the earlier threads that you work and aren't available all the time to post. I really appreciate you taking the time to talk about your experiences of conditioning and mind control. We were in fact just speaking of victims' stories vs. scientific evidence
see >>18252768
>>18253268

If you don't get time to catch up completely, just know that OP posts under the trip 'caylus ark'. I decided that for the purposes of facilitating discussion in these threads (and work on the google doc), mine will be Skully. (I'm the one who is enthralled by conspiracy theories but skeptical.) In the google doc, we're all aiming to gather sites and other sources for helpful info; the end goal is to make our own comprehensive resource on Project Monarch, where anons (of all backgrounds of knowledge AND with varying beliefs) can navigate more effectively through all the stories and hundreds of websites.

Some of us believe without a doubt that the conspiracy theory of MKUltra is true, some believe it's likely or possible but want to know how to confirm or negate that (I pretty much fall in this category). Some of us believe in, or are highly suspect of, coordinated rings of sexual abusers - so we're talking about that and exploring any ties with CIA, Hollywood, etc.
A big part of the discussion has been about the godlikeproductions thread where a handler is doing an AMA about his work. Goes by the name "Jos". Caylus, or OP, has been communicating with him for over a year.

Thanks again for sharing your experiences with us. I hope you don't mind those of us who "want to believe" seeking satisfactory answers. If you encounter someone who calls any part of this BS or "shizo ramblings" - especially if they fail to say why constructively, or offer some other relevant point to the thread - please, disregard them.

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compartmentalized human beings are objectively superior to those of us who feel a consistent sense of identity and individuality
they are strong and stubborn when they need to be, sensitive and sweet when circumstance requires it, brash and bold when it is necessary, or uninhibited and promiscuous when it's the best thing to do
it is not the strongest or smartest species that survive in the long run, according to natural selection, but those with the best ability to adapt to change
they are highly efficient and super effective, and have no restrictive comfort zones or personal narratives
it doesn't matter how they came into existence
just know that they are better than all of us
they are our future
we are being replaced

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>>18255114
You can find a link to David McGowan's Programmed to Kill in our google doc, and as well one where you can read his Laurel Canyon piece on the CIA/hippies & rock'n'roll/mind control history of LC. He is a fabulous writer!
ITT, those links are here:
>>18241458
>Programmed to Kill by David McGowan
https://www.pdf-archive.com/2015/01/12/david-mcgowan-programmed-to-kill/
>Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon: Laurel Canyon, Covert Ops & the Dark Heart of the Hippie Dream by David McGowan
http://netteandme.blogspot.com/2015/04/part-1-of-20-strange-but-mostly-true.html - read the entire story free online in section here.

p.s. please note >>18252768
>I'll remind you guys I investigated McMartin for myself when I read the chapter on the Pedophocracy in Programmed to Kill, and found some of his supporting details were inaccurate (and) that made his circumstantial evidence (in a case or two) just coincidence in actuality... I'll go into detail some other time if you guys want.
>I <3 Dave McGowan, I really do.

>>18246463
http://www.greekrank.com/uni/49/topic/525643/miranda-cosgrove/

Might be true, this is from two years ago. That's sad famalam.

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>>18253680
I hadn't heard of "Svali". Did you mean to reply to someone else? or another one of my posts maybe?

Regardless, thank you for the heads up on another handler and more Jos information.

The thing that I don't quite get is why these elite families allegedly choose children of their own for torture, or take their own children and sacrifice them.
Do they impregnate women outside the family and take the babies? It's not that I think a powerful person couldn't also be this type of predator. I'd like to know that kind of rate at which these families are programming their 'chosen ones'. Would it come out to 1 kid of 5 per every 10 families or something?
Then again, the 'X' anon's experience isn't full of suffering (what he can remember, anyway). I believe he said once that he wouldn't refer to himself as a "victim". He was more chosen for certain abilities he had, and connections he had through his father (IIRC of course)
And there's also a possible scenario like this anon suggests >>18255964
Still I just can't exactly see the Vanderbilt's or Rothchild's, or similar names of families we don't even know of, giving their OK for their child to go off to become the next Sirhan Sirhan or Charlie Manson, or Miley Cyrus for that matter. Does the illuminati/elites who invest in celebrity assets (as Jos has explained) go with, or go against their "keeping it in the family" so to speak. Could elites be competing with each other? Luciferians with celeb assets on one side, and Illuminati bloodline families on the other? or are these extremely powerful folks at the top
What other victims' stories do we know and can we tie them to these families in any, even circumstantial, way?

Maybe we can pull up a list of people who've openly talked about their claims, and even possibly, make a list of stories like that of "X" here. And then designate all the ones that involve bloodlines, and make something that we could look at and try to pull data from... just a thought!

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>>18256395
P.S. I realize there is a huge separation between baby sacrificing, child grooming, and adult conditioning... I was explaining my doubt based off of the kinds of claims I've seen around the net about Project Monarch... just wanted to point that out.
But I'd still like to figure out much more about how this could work, you know?

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Am I the only one who feels there's something very fucked up with Melania Trump? Might not be monarch related but have you seen / hear her talk? Or the way she always uses the same words or when she repeats things others say, beyond the obvious of her speeches she has done this other times before.

Is she just a slut whose sugar daddy forced into the spotlight or is there more to it all?

>>18256395
>The thing that I don't quite get is why these elite families allegedly choose children of their own for torture, or take their own children and sacrifice them.

sociopaths + power
these people probably have a ton of secret kids anyways, like how schwarzenegger had that hidden son
not saying he's apart of it btw, just an example of how some big names have secret children

>>18256358
>Well, heard she is called "The Ghost" lol

I want to know... What that means?

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>>18256418

Oh don't worry, he's part of it

>>18252829
Guy knows his FOB lore. The old bands probably had nothing to do with anything (dumb punk bands) At some point between being a bunch of kids in a van and signing to Jay-Z's label they probably got a programmer, or just Pete and the others just wanted to make rock and roll

>>18256415
She's a slav, they all fucking sound like that. When my family from Poland come to visit they have the same speaking pattern when speaking English

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>>18256507
take it from a /his/torian, Slovenes are the least Slav of all the Slavs... just sayin.
>pic related

more importantly, your Polish family actually talks like anon said about Melania?
>>18256415
>the way she always uses the same words or when she repeats things others say

>>18256418
>>18256428
so it may be the case that an old money/elite family and bloodline thing, but they welcome people into the fold, or work with those whose roots are far from connected/elite, those that find their way to power by climbing the ladder (aka "new money")? Traditionally, old-money types are disdainful of the new millionaires...

>>18241456
This subject fascinates me. I own a couple books on it (Thanks for the Memories and Programmed to Kill), have read countless posts about it online (like this thread), and I think if it's not real, it wouldn't be for lack of trying.

So I'm into it. Ok? I'm not a herpa derp everything not mainstream is fake douche.

I say all that to build up to this: How you can't tell this Jos character is fake is beyond me. He's an elaborate RP'er. He's obviously read up on thus subject matter, probably has more than a passing interest, and enjoys RPing. That's it.

I do however think the collaboration going on in the form of the google doc is a great idea, and I'm still here reading the threads even if Jos is fake.

>>18256395
>The thing that I don't quite get is why these elite families allegedly choose children of their own for torture, or take their own children and sacrifice them.

That really depends on who you believe. If you believe Svali, the Illuminati does terrible very fucked up things to children, including their own children. If you believe Jos, the elite do not subject their own children or even their own family to "shattering" or mind control programming, and if somebody else did so it could start a war between families.

The way he explained it was the example of Paris Hilton, she's more like a "princess" among the "kennel" of the celebrity world. She's not among them, really, because she's above them, in a lot of senses, because of her family.

Hierarchically, the elite families are above celebrities, I am pretty sure, and I do think that elites compete with each other.
>what other victims' stories do we know and can we tie them to these families
It depends on who you do believe. Like Cathy'o'Brian for example - she was definitely tied to political elite, if her account was true, same with Brice Taylor. Were their accounts true? I don't know...

>>18256944
I read up on the subject matter too, but I don't think I'd be able to make up most of the things he's said. I certainly think the things he has said have been more credible then some like Svali.

>>18256404
>. I realize there is a huge separation between baby sacrificing, child grooming, and adult conditioning... I was explaining my doubt based off of the kinds of claims I've seen around the net about Project Monarch... just wanted to point that out.

Yeah, again all of that depends on who you are willing to believe. I don't doubt there are people out there who do luciferian rituals and sacrifice children. I know that the extent of human depravity extends that low. Is it par for the course though? Would elites really experiment with their own children for such a thing?

I am almost more willing to believe that elites would prefer to experiment with the children of others.

archive.org tends to be a good source

https://archive.org/search.php?query=mind%20control&and[]=mediatype%3A%22texts%22

>>18256944
Just curious, what about what he says makes you think he is 100% not legit? Was it because he started on a thread rather then leaking stuff for a transcript like Svali?

http://ce399.typepad.com/weblog/

>>18244595

not to mention Epstein's comments regarding trump's sexual contact with underage girls.

we're dealing with sick people folks

>>18247280

not an argument

>>18248989
>a living meme

why counter memes with memes?

fucking kike faggot nigger

>>18256395
I think this picture is stupid, are we really supposed to believe shit holes like Israel and china are the founding nations but not huge power houses from Europe and their royal families? Illuminati has been around before Israel was a thing and when China was basically a second India. Netherlands, Germany, Luxembourg, etc are where the real power is.

>>18252794
>but Saville wasn't using mind control, wasn't worshiping Satan...

I didn't mean to imply that. I don't think the Hollywood pedo thing or the British media/political thing have anything to do with the so-called illuminati or Lucifer or any of that shit. They are just kiddy fuckers

>He didn't operate in a powerful 'ring' of friends who raped along with him at the hospitals and the BBC, right?

That's debatable. There's no doubt that he was surprisingly intimate with the royal family when you consider he was just a dj and tv presenter. Subsequent allegations have been made that he was also well connected with politicians who were later revealed to be noncemen. The evidence seems to indicate that there are some pretty well connected kiddy fiddlers in the British establishment.

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>>18241456
>linking to glp threads

>>18259326
I don't think it's quite a matter of their faith or their secret society status that is important, it's what connections can help you get away with. If you are a mason for example, in a group of masons, you may be able to find some law enforcement is willing to look the other way.
Or so I hear.

>>18259030
>fucking kike faggot nigger
Classic

>>18260032
There's some decent information shared there amidst the trash.

>>18259026
Hillary is not much better, if you look into "MK lore" - especially what Cathy has to say about the Clintons at Bohemian Grove. Pretty sick shit - if it's to be believed.

>>18255964
I'm not some kind of superhuman and not trying to brag etc. It is what it is. I recall seeing some videos from early testing for these programs and even then it was determined that every detail of the actions of the conditioned participants were measurably more considered and accurate. The cumulative effects of being more aware of details and accuracy are the primary benefit of participation in these programs. Focused clarity of mind should be understood to be the origin of these effects.

I do have the ability to see stuff directly in the form of images within my mind. Everyone does. I'm not always trying to but if something matters to me I will usually catch at least a few images or impressions. This has generally resulted in my being aware of anyone directing focused attention toward me, often in the form of a vivid dream from the conscious perspective of the being, animal or human.

>>18260448
Yeah, just ignore the fact that the owner of the site is a Tavistock disinfo shill.

>>18241456
I can tell you that the second YouTube link is bullshit. The recordings used in the beginning are from The Conet Project disc set released by Irdial, which are REAL recordings of numbers stations, and are pretty much confirmed to be coded messages to be used with one-time code pads, i.e. of no use to anyone outside the actual receiver (a spy, a scout, a shock trooper, whatever).

>>18262446
half the thread is bullshit. ayys do mk. god does mk. government does not do mk. freelance psychics do mk. monarch implies royalty so if you believe its the nwo OK, moon-arch implise archers (religious nuts) or moon-people (ayys), so if you belive its them OK, but its probably disinfo. /r/gangstalkingmkultra ties some of the data between reptos and pig demons to mk ultra, but nobody else does. its probably them, royals, or blacks (desu blacks possible, the bed is a egyptian empire thing (next comment))

>why even bitch about MK ultra when your bed is an array of antennas (satelite dish), google coil array

>>18249404
>$180,000 per episode
holy shit!!

>>18241456
Is there even anything remotely close to Inducing Telekinesis on OP docs?

>>18248982
>>18248951
schizo ramblings as specifically what? because mk ultra never happened, right?

>oookay.

Mind control tech works best when the target is unaware that it exists.

Hence, the auto shilling of topics like this.

What if this happened to one of you? It would be unmistakable to you. The process by which manchurians are made is very real. And it is terrifying and destroys your life forever. And the trauma is permanent.

Celebrities get monarch. At least they get something by it. Manchurians get nothing except the shattered remnants of a ruined life and permanently discredited at best. At worst they die after becoming killers by a process outside of their own control and are disowned by the entirety of society.

>>18262635
Check DIA controlled offensive behavior pdf

Can you discuss PRISM and your thoughts?

Also what is really in chemtrails?

>>18263784
>>18262635
also a pdf link to that on this thread
http://bluemonarch.freeforums.net/thread/168/dia-controlled-offensive-behavior

>>18263842
It's kind of interesting that Katy Perry released that album prism in late 2013, isn't it?

regarding chemtrails, I'm not sure how I feel about that CT. I don't think they are worth worrying about considering how much disturbing shit is going on in the world right now, but they might be real. I'm not huge on those elaborate theories about nanobots being released through chemtrails and mind control in the water supply with floride and all that shit. It may be real, honestly it's possible, but there are so much more simple and obvious methods that there's no point thinking about convoluted or unlikely super stealth technology.

PRISM though? Absolutely real...data mining on ordinary Americans, is true imo. The way I see it, is there is probably just an automated system - ie echelon - that red flags users who have a certain amount of concerning internet history or search inquiry, and begins archiving them autonomously.

In terms of what we're talking about here though - person to person, physical visceral cerebral mind control, it's very different and much more speculative - the watchlisting stuff is absolutely real though

>>18262416
Trust me lol, I know that.
My name is an autoban on that site.

>what would the illuminati (?) have to gain by advertising a CIA program that was always very seriously intended to be kept secret, and despite that, what is the message or purpose in exposing themselves like that to the masses in (how I've seen the vast majority of conspiracy theory sites demonstrate it) blatant and obvious ways?

This has been adressed so many times and at such great lengths since the time of Bill Cooper's radio shows and even before, that everytime someone asks this fucking RETARDED question, like it's some great deductive work, i just have but to remind myself that this field of research is forever still populated by double IQ dimwits too lazy to actually do their own research

>>18266126
>>what would the illuminati (?) have to gain by advertising a CIA program that was always very seriously intended to be kept secret, and despite that, what is the message or purpose in exposing themselves like that to the masses in (how I've seen the vast majority of conspiracy theory sites demonstrate it) blatant and obvious ways?

I don't think it is so much that it is being advertised, from what I hear the celebrities that "tattle" aren't being instructed in their music videos to do so, but they aren't being prevented from doing so either.

The stuff is coming out in their work because it's something deeply embedded in their psyche, what has happened to them. I don't think the "They" feel threatened by the appearance of these symbols. They assume the masses are ignorant, and to be fair it's generally justifiable.

>>18241456

It's happening :D

>>18267147
I do think, that the specifics are a matter for controversy, but that it happens on some level is something I absolutely believe.

>>18266126
so the idea is basically that the evil elites are compelled to give us hints about their plans

right? or are you referring to something else. why are you so mad anyway

>>18268335
>so the idea is basically that the evil elites are compelled to give us hints about their plans

Not him, but, I've heard that theory.
It's that idea that the elite telegraph what they are going to do.

From what I can tell, it's an occult law. In order to gain occult power, sometimes you have to stand by certain resolutions.

In another way of thinking about it - it could be there is an encoded way of speaking to one another the elite use, through symbols. Trying to interpret it is a very quick route to psychosis, however....

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I think mind control is ancient

>>18268527
>>18268335
random person chiming in here.
the way i've heard it explained is that they believe they're gaining the general publics consent to be exposed to and manipulated by all this stuff because its out there and people know and talk about but they don't really do anything about it. so them putting all this out in the open, in their thinking, negates any negative "karmic" fallout.

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https://www.amazon.com/Deception-Clinton-America-Chinese-Military/dp/This is the true story of the greatest Chinese espionage successes against the USA. Deception takes the reader through a documented tale of spies, secrets, money sex and power that dominates the US government.

Get the full story from the journalist that broke the China-Gate scandal along with the documented evidence that turned China-Gate into a full blown investigation. Author Charles R. Smith names the Chinese generals the greedy corporate bosses that sold America out to China.

Deception details the Clinton Administration and it's trade in weapons, US defense secrets and money using documented evidence obtained from nearly 50,000 of official and classified US Government documents. For the past decade, investigative journalist Charles R. Smith used the freedom of information act to get these documents and bring home the truth.

https://www.amazon.com/Deception-Clinton-America-Chinese-Military/dp/0976116804#productDescription_secondary_view_div_1477495008775

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Find out about General Ding Heng Gao, commander of the Chinese espionage unit, COSTIND, or the Commission on Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense. The documented evidence includes letters from General Ding to Ron Brown and Clinton Secretary of Defense William Perry.

General Ding is the most successful Chinese military commander since Mao. Mao took Mainland China in 1949 after fighting a twenty-year war against both the warlords and the Imperial Japanese Army. General Ding, armed only with a checkbook, took the U.S. White House.

The Chinese Army turned its Second Artillery Corps - the PRC's strategic missile force - into a feared world power and defeated America without firing a shot in the short span of six years.

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The spectacular success of General Ding and COSTIND turned China into a regional power that dominates Asia and a world power capable of flexing military force anywhere on earth. It is no surprise that General Ding and COSTIND recently won the honors of the Chinese communist party.

The Chinese Generals who engineered the espionage success against America have all retired with the highest rewards from the communist party. Their operations against the United States were carefully planned and executed. Their meetings were quietly withheld from public view by a U.S. administration seeking to reap the benefits from "military" sales to the People's Liberation Army.

President Clinton personally approved of the penetration of the U.S. aerospace industry by the Chinese Army. Documentation shows that Chinese General Shen Rougjun of COSTIND played a game of financial brinkmanship with Hughes and Loral while getting his son a classified position inside the U.S. space industry.

According to U.S. Commerce Department documents, Gen. Shen met with Ron Brown and Loral CEO Bernard Schwartz. President Clinton personally approved the meeting. The resulting espionage success of General Shen led directly to improved ICBM missile guidance and reliability for the Chinese Army.

Get the real story behind the Chinese "Tiger Song" air defense system. Read how the Chinese Army penetrated the U.S. Defense Department and obtained an advanced air defense system that was re-exported to Iraq. The story includes detailed letters and meetings between Chinese General Ding Henggao and U.S. Defense Secretary William Perry.

The penetration of General Ding included hiring Perry's personal paid consultant, Dr. John Lewis, to help the Chinese Army obtain a secure communications computer network and getting his wife, Madam General Nie Li to erect a false front company. The book also includes details of suspected Chinese spy Hua Di who worked closely with Secretary Perry and then fled back to China in 1996

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Don't know if anyone brought it up but if you want to know about mind control just do some research on TMS (Trans Cranial Magnetic Stimulation). Why use conventional mind control techniques when you could simply use electromagnetics to rewrite their personality.

>>18272120

http://stopsmartmeters.org/frequently-asked-questions/radio-frequency-radiation-issues/

What frequency do they operate at, and what sort of radiation do they emit?

The PG&E Silver Springs Network “smart” meter operates in the 902-928 MHz range, near the range of most cell phones, and in the radio-frequency microwave range (300 MHz to 3 GHz). The 2-millisecond spikes of RF (radio-frequency) it emits are randomly assigned to a pattern of alternating frequencies—the pulses keep shifting which frequency they are using. At least 90% of the pulses are not your data, but the “mesh network” talking to itself—also known as network “chatter.”

The spiked pulses are like a strobe light, which also emits spiked pulses, about 1/2 millisecond each. The “smart” meter pulses can go off at a rate of 2 to 20 per second. Strobe lights are known to have neurological effects, and are not allowed to be sold if they strobe at a rate above 10 pulses per second. Some people cannot be around strobe lights, they set off visually triggered seizures. The “smart” meter RF emissions constitute an all-new, bizarre pattern, unlike the pattern of emissions from your cell phone or any other RF-emitting device. And to date there have been no studies published on the effects of ‘smart’ meter radiation on animals, plants or humans. However, some research indicates that pulsed radiation induces a greater biological effect than constant radiation. Based on countless firsthand reports it is clear that some people are vulnerable to serious ill effects.

>>18272141
It works by inducing current into the human brain much like inducing current into a wire. when a magnetic field is concentrated on a specific area of the brain and its strength increased or reduced you see changes in personality. Look up the academic articles on its current use with mental patients.

>>18272153
also the changes can become permanent over repeated sessions.

>>18272120
What I know about TMS is that - it's can be used for very basic things like, making the speech center of the brain temporarily offline, or stimulating certain underactive parts of the mind, but it's not nearly at the level - at least so far as civilian or academic technology is aware - that personalities can be overwritten. we simply don't know enough about the brain.

>>18271135
I've heard of that too.

I recently saw something about a book called "The Magus" -

from wikipedia -
"Nicholas is gradually drawn into Conchis's psychological games, his paradoxical views on life, his mysterious persona, and his eccentric masques. At first, Nicholas takes these posturings of Conchis, what the novel terms the "godgame," to be a joke, but they grow more elaborate and intense. Nicholas loses his ability to determine what is real and what is artifice. Against his will and knowledge, he becomes a performer in the godgame. Eventually, Nicholas realises that the re-enactments of the Nazi occupation, the absurd playlets after de Sade, and the obscene parodies of Greek myths are not about Conchis' life, but his own."

https://www.amazon.com/CIA-Doctors-Violations-American-Psychiatrists/dp/0976550806

"The C.I.A. Doctors, (Manitou Communications, 2006), uncovers the truth about violations of human rights by American Psychiatrists in the twentieth century. Documents obtained through the Freedom of Information Act and cross-referenced research published in leading medical journals expose the existence of mind altering experiments on unwitting human subjects, paid for by the U.S. government, the U.S. Military and the C.I.A. These experiments which inlcude LSD experiments, sensory deprivation, electroconvulsive treatment, brain electrode implants, radiation experiments and prostitution rings were perpetrated not by a few renegage doctors but by leading psychiatrists, psychologists, neurosurgeons, universities, medical schools and maximum security prisons on American soil. Dr. Ross takes you on a mind-blowing fact finding adventure into the secret world of espionage and Manchurian Candidates. Given our situations in Guantanamo and Abu Graib the only question left unanswered is what are the U.S. Government, psychiatrists and medical schools doing today? The C.I.A. Doctors was originally published as BLUEBIRD: Deliberate Creation of Multiple Personality by Psychiatrists in 2000."

http://www.rossinst.com/about_dr_colin_ross.html

Just thought I'd leave this here for anyone who's interested.

Haven't seen skully in awhile, you out there?

This is great. Keep up the good work. I'll just add what I have.

http://pastebin.com/7eAgLUjs

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>>18246028
the doors was mk ultra?

why did you post my favorite doors song?

can you tell me more? i know Morrison father was a service man in a interview

and the doors got their name from huxley who inspired half this shit right?

WESTWORLD
Really talks about the mk ultra thing if you want to understand it
just remember to think in terms of metaphors and wizard of oz

"back stories do more then entertain our guests; they anchor the host, layer by layer. they form the basis of their identities."

>>18277302
look into the occult/ military background of the "laurel canyon" scene the doors came out of.

>>18279048
http://vigilantcitizen.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=2939

Is it true that the smarter you are the easier it becomes for someone to take over your mind.

>>18283886
I've heard that as well, a Fritz Springmeier thing. I wonder if it's true.

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>>18241456

Think an entity whose consciousness existed on the level of quantum computing, and who had technology to rewrite genomes instantly?

They have over half the world under mind control... LITERALLY.

Perhaps they benefit from having pawns like Duncan under their control, but you are all wasting your time.

>>18286750
>tfw Tacgnol's master plan has been revealed

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The chemicals between us.

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>>18288632
The army of achievers.

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>>18288722
Lying in this bed

>>18286750
>you are all wasting your time.
why?
Happy halloween

Handler thread has been updated.

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Such an ugly doll I can't believe any child would even want such a thing

Well..
They were hand made. And if your family had come from poor enough roots you learned to be grateful for what ever they could provide.
My mother had to quit school when her father died to help her mother take care of her younger siblings.
She made both raggedy-ann and raggedy andy for me and I was glad to have them. In context she was trying to calm me I guess. Our lives were intense from the domestic 'situation'. I hold back from using the word abuse just out of character. It was more harsh than most of you can relate to. Not related to any program, just harsh military brat government issue childhood.

Before leaving Germany I had a stuffed white cat with blue eyes that I named muffin.. It was the first toy that I brought to the new house in Louisiana. Put it in the corner like that was all there was to moving in.

There were many things having to do with those programs there. I'm still uncomfortable about my mother not being able to recall some of the places she took me. I think she just figured they were regular ol' counselors for kids. Not sure about the strange dentist stuff tho. I think I remember no weird program stuff but there were times my memories contain surreal dreamlike stuff

>>18290204
>sure about the strange dentist stuff tho. I think I remember no weird program stuff but there were times my memories contain surreal dreamlike stuff
I had strange dentist stuff as well. can you tell me your experience with that? with me when I was way, way too young to need it I recall very intense dental surgery and being put in a twilight state. it happened over and over again when I was just a really small kid. those memories are weird to me

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The word is written on the wall

The truth is emblazoned for all to see

The teeth of a murderer rot eternally, and their children, and their children's children, and with each wrteched birth the child will be plunged into a lifetime of misery, as penance to mother kos, as penance to us all

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>>18290244
The flesh of transgressors rots eternally, so is the will of their victims

but mercy, mercy on the wisened children, as we would beg for mercy on ourselves

>>18290256
I bought this game a couple days ago for like 4 dollars (ps4)
I like bloodborne and heard it was too easy but I think I'll play it anyway

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>>18290315
What does that have to do with anything?

Get thee gone, wasted thought

>>18290324
nothing at all lol
just couldn't help replying to the mention of the game

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What can you tell me about sentimental corp or Randy Prozac in general? I've read on here that his work deals a lot of MK Ultra and mind control. Does anyone know if this is true or what's the point of it?

Thread is still here. Nice to know.

>>18254739
>Whoever was asking about Miranda Cosgrove, we got a tip to "research her parentage"...
any news about it?

>>18290863
From what I could tell looking at his site, he's trying to use hypnosis and trance induction in order to foster dissent in the social order and awaken people to truths about our society. But I don't think that his technique has much substance. I watched a few of his videos and while they did foster trance states, they didn't do anything permanent or lasting beyond the scope of the video.

>>18290233
Slow answering due to distractions such as this;
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ov5kvWSz5LM

For a while I was taken to the dentist every wednsday for several hours. Lots of drilling and large amounts of novacaine and that stupid rubber and metal clamp thing they put on a tooth to keep the drill dust out that makes it so that you can't close your mouth or talk.
Some high rank dentists too on occasion but I figured that was normal for medical staff. This was during third grade at fort Polk.

>>18244595
look into this case more. the "victim" first tried filing it as a civil rights lawsuit so she wouldn't be held liable for court costs

the court threw it out

then she was represented by an attorney who specializes in patents and by a guy who is a former producer for the jerry springer show. they then re-filed it in NY

the purpose of filing this lawsuit is to prevent Trump from mentioning Bill Clinton's travels on the Lolita Express because if the public began digging, they'd find something more sinister

>>18293489

The Clinton Pedophilia Connection - YouTube - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=12zVlaZyX3Q

Several threads on /pol/ are very /x/ right now. Although some are admittedly larping the threads are still high quality enough to not get deleted. And some appear to be the real deal. Interesting..

>>>/pol/95373593

>>18249641
Woh I would have taken a bet to say that Dylan and cole was payed more than miranda but apparently not.

>>18252073
Wonder what the age of consent was in the area they were in?

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>>18250999
>them trips too spooky
But on a serious note if people can be controlled via audio trigger who is to say that MK hasn't developed a AOE version. You know lets say hypothetically trump promises to drain the swamp. This would be peace to the american people, then would be followed by an act of betrayal in the way effective the method. Either by pardoning hillary in an extreme case, or slowly by some other method like an abusive husband. Of course you could then tie in these cues with some physical things he does as well, but that could be to obvious.

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>>18245109
How do you check?

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>>18294101
If the audio trigger works, and it should cause audio cues are extremely effective, like air raid sirens, or jump scares.

At the end the abused wife it's always the civilians, people that never expected to be deceived, by witnessing a few trends, you can realize how the trending process always overrun the person, just clogs in the machine, the dream makers.

The act of developing a second personality, it's parallel to create a second reality, where the subjects see itselfs as heroes, wish fullfilment, plus a sense of responsability, you make the person go trough every step, at the end they would believe it as it becomes reality, it's not a delusion if everyone believes it.

That's why the election it's so thrilling, someone will lose, and that reality will be erased, along with everything associated to it, Hillary crimes will be put under the carpet, and Trump's closet, will gain another lock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIFJCnpi8QE

>>18294075
Dan Schneider happened. I don't think it's about mind control or so; probably it's more Hollywood's pedo ring stuff.

>>18294122
Well guess I can only pray that the people won't fall in line when he comes to capture humanity.

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>>18294122
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCKKKKKK I hate connecting dots.

>>18294075
I was friends with those two kids in middle school. they were popular.

>>18294101
That's called a dead man's switch.
I don't think Trump is under 'their' control (he's a bit of a wildcard, 'they' probably don't really like him)
I don't honestly think that means he would change much if he won - he'd probably fall in line eventually. But he's not a blatant pawn (and that being said, I really don't think he'd make a great president either - but mind control? no)

>>18294114
lol, easier said then done. what makes you think so? if you have to ask, it's probably not the direct personal kind that takes 'the program' and 'the method' and being shattered.

we are all, as a society, being constantly bombarded by a low level, constant 'mind control' which reinforces compliance and social norms. that's just the architecture of control and power, though it's reached new levels in our time.

More like Programmed to Kill please

>>18252768
Dave McGowan's an excellent digger, but to be honest sometimes he's lazy as fuck. I remember reading Programmed to Kill and getting to the chapter on devil worship and he brings up Nietzsche as relevant to satanism because he titled one of his books "The Antichrist" and then went on to say he was pro-Nazi

Just took me out of the immersion then, had to stop and think about what a fucking stupid thing to write that was. Otherwise the opening chapters in particular were very nicely researched, but I wish he'd stop referring to dates so frequently, like Hitler's birthday and "just a few days shy of Walpurgisnacht"

>>18296223
And when pointing out that a murdered child's name was Damon as supporting evidence for Satanism in play, I wish an editor would've shut that down; that's just bottom-feeding.

>>18296223
>>18296229
I think they're valid connections to make, elsewise the reader may have missed them, McGowan is interesting in Programmed to Kill in that he doesn't directly force his beliefs on the reader, he just makes a lot of compelling connections and mostly leaves it to the reader to make sense of it. Most of the message is relayed by what he chooses to relate, what connections he chooses to make, and what he leaves unsaid. I think the preponderance of occult dates is an important point to make, and even if you don't believe in it, it makes you think in a different way, forces you to see more connections between things then you previously would've thought possible; I mean, who knows if maybe he was right about something but left it out because he thought he was reaching? It's up to the reader to accept or reject the conclusions he makes critically, but he should be commended for compiling all the info together for the reader to read.

it is an egregious misreading of Nietzsche, though... but Satanists and Nazis HAVE USED NIETZSCHE'S PHILOSOPHY. I personally like Nietzsche a lot and think he was a great philosopher, and don't think he at all intended to support Nazism, let alone Satanism, but fact of the matter is he did after his life.

>>18296254
It's more that it was actually a blatant misreading of Nietzsche which was either ignorant or intentionally misleading in order to make the point, and the problem I had with it is that it has exactly the opposite effect when someone actually knows what Dave's talking about.

The other really nasty issue was when talking about Ted Bundy, and he refers to his ability to 'switch' from ruthless to charming, notes it as a well-known personality trait of psychopaths (of which Bundy was a prime example) but then decides to say "and what is that but just another kind of split personality" when having already, right at the beginning of the book, defined a split personality as one in which someone will NOT retain their memory of the alter states, blatantly violating his own internal logic in order to drive his point home.

Again, loved the book, was the first to actually persuade me that mind control is probably very much possible, but he does harm himself when he overreaches in order to make his point.

>>18296304
Sociopathy as split personality is absolutely inaccurate. Ted Bundy as mind controlled...is not so much accurate.

>>18297377
yeah it was a moment which was really jarring when I read it as being lazy research and inconsistent with what he'd written himself already

where do I even begin if I wanted to test my control on random people?

>>18299934
try a job in sales

>>18299981
True, bit I was hoping for something more powerful than convincing

>>18300523
So like what? Seduction? Making somebody crow like a rooster?
It depends what you're going for really.

>>18299098

>>18300630
Both and in between

I'd like to learn some mind control, as per the name of the thread, I just don't know how much is limited to my efforts or if I can even do some of these government brainwave machines that are mentioned in this thread

if you don't mind, is there anything in the OP list or any refer you know of that sort of focuses on one tier of mind control, like seduction, making one crow like a rooster, persuasion, slave making and any in between?

and is there any order to these concepts? Like prerequisites, or are they isolated and different schools that more or else try to accomplish the same goals, with different methods?

I just don't see how seduction can allow me to perform a signal, like rubbing a neck, and make someone do something for me. I'm a bit lost, is what I'm saying, I'd like to gauge for myself what is within my ability but I'd like to see the options

>>18301339
Well, let me recommend you this first off
http://radio.shabanali.com/the-art-of-seduction-robert-greene.pdf
I also recommend some of the PDFs on Neuro linguistic Programming, check the PDF section of the OP for that
We aren't looking so much at hypnosis and that kind of thing for what you're after, and government brainwave machines are going to be irrelevant to you, there are much more basic ways to manipulate people, to be perfectly frank

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I'm an alter. I'm actually curious about this stuff and concerned over some stuff I went through. My own life kinda matches with a few of some things mentioned about this stuff. I'm also wondering if there is a relation between this and why so many people with my condition ultimately end up as devout Christians in the US while that religion was investing in the MK project. I also got targeted in some gangstalking thing a few years ago but since I'm an alter I wanted to keep hidden because I'm not really sure how to really reach out to anyone and not either sound crazy or potentially be manipulated. I also had a guy in a trench coat follow me from my old job, guys in suits off in the background that followed me out of state with my family, my friend's truck's brakes didn't work and we flew off a bridge 40 feet into the road below, (somehow we all made it pretty fine), my social life was all a lie, there's a pedo network I grew up around, my great grandfather was a mason, my dad was on the news as a pedo. I don't know what to do with all of those things really.

At the same time, as an "alter" I want to say that we've existed before MK Ultra. If trauma is what it takes, given the harsh living conditions in history, we probably helped people out way before US tried exploiting things in mind control. Mostly we just stay hidden since we're timid by nature. I also was mute most my life. If I had to say what I look like as an alter, this is probably the closest accurate to how I appear as myself. I actually like to play around subliminally and try to express myself more openly in media rather than physically as a form of art sometimes.

I want to avoid integration if possible for now since I want to explore things myself so I'm wondering if there are any others out there? The random gangstalking stuff stopped a few years back and I felt like people were trying to mess with my head and idk why. I feel dehumanized and forgotten.

>>18305124
are you comfortable telling me a bit more about the gangstalking thing? if you don't want to post it publicly you are free to pm me on my forum, but I have studied the gangstalking thing pretty extensively so I'd love to hear your experience with it

>>18301339
I like the way you articulate and explain, friend. I hope to see more of your posts in the future. Somehow. :)

Sometimes I need to take breaks from /x/, as I do with any other boards I check out. Glad to see an interesting thread on my first day back.

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>>18305142
Well my brother is the one usually in charge. He's the frontier. I'm a slider but I'm usually around 14 years. My memory is really impaired because I might have had some mercury poisoning in my past the whole amnesia thing. My name is actually Karu but before my bro named me I was just "2". I'm not comfortable in large groups sometimes, I get overwhelmed so it was kinda scary for me to try and take charge for a year in secret from my family. I don't remember it all clearly, I feel like another alter is hiding some of it to keep me "safe", which is why I'm suspicious in the first place. I was hospitalized and some boy pointed at me and said "he's looked into the eye", and something else and ran off, and the people in the hospital said strange dialogue like "joining the evolution" or something. It was really creepy so I called them a cult and said the place wasn't safe and I had to leave. Then a shooting happened there a few days afterwards.

I got an anonymous text message saying "your job is done, hopefully you won't become a martyr" and when I showed that to my therapist and mentioned my computer acting strange that's basically when I started getting drugged up. i remember people would use laser pointers on me at a restaurant, or just say something that could be personally related to me in general, and it was mostly just petty little tricks from time to time but I didn't think to write it down or take proof, I was more confused and wondering what was happening. Nor do I know why a man in a trench coat followed me from my job to a mall to watch me get my laptop repaired. I got the general "vibe" from the guys in suits that followed me with my mother out of state, idk it just felt like they were there to remind me to keep quiet about something but I couldn't remember what or why just that it related to me not being able to remember stuff?

>>18305271
Thanks man. =D
I have a playlist on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLILJ-O5ztd1BDsyZmCXDtFBy6___b4dU

I was mostly mute and shy so I had another alter cover me in talking so I kinda faded away for a long time and started subliminally making traces of each of us. When my life was endangered I thought it was sad we all could've died and never been known, so I wanted to start expressing myself in my own way through other mediums to let us explore our individuality as alters.

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MFW come to this thread to find anything out about MMC I might not know and 99.9% of this thread every time is off-topic niggardry that has nothing to do with anything and the stuff that is there is mostly convoluted to give regularfags a massive pseudo-intellectual egoboner due to having no lives outside the privacy fence

>>18305324
>Thanks man. =D

holy shit what am I reading

>>18307485
that's exactly how a kawaii desu 14 yr old snow boy alter would respond, duh.

>>18306717
Did you actually read the op?

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>>18249641
> Miranda Cosgrove, 16 "iCarly" $180,000
Ooo, she got paid hush money for being passed around sexually by Dan & co.

Lemme debunk this for you

Miranda was paid $180k per episode as a publicity ploy to steal away Hannah Montana's fans from Disney and/or become fans of Nickelodeon as well. The thing is both the Disney Channel and Nick are owned by Viacom and they have a fuckton of money so paying Miranda $180k didn't hurt them or her one bit (the show lasted from 2007-2012). Plus Miranda also had a hit show called Drake & Josh prior to that and Nick was betting that Miranda would compete strongly with Hannah Montana as it was also publicized as the first TV show to have Internet audience/fan participation.

is there much of a difference in how they program people from country to country?

I had a dream a few months back that I am positive was concerned with some sort of MILABS.

>Desert Island, Jungle, Old buildings, Barb Wire fencing, looks like an old military base with other buildings
>Gathered in giant auditorium
>About 100 other people besides me
>Game master comes out, tells us to enjoy the island "resort". Notice several guard like figures on stage.
>We all go back to our assigned rooms
>Suddenly bloodcurdling screams followed by people getting get hunted and killed by serial killers who were actually the guards on stage in masks
>bitch next to me gets an axe in the face
>As most of the people continue to get hunted down a few of us kill the murderers
>Last remaining 10 or so are brought back into the auditorium
>Congratulations anons, you are the winners.
>Game restarts, since I won, I am now a guard on stage
>Win the next round by killing and not dying as a guard
>Congrats anon you win again, time to face the super soldiers
>Their bodies are enhanced, bright, and able to change shapes and all sorts of wizardry.
>I win by using some weird magic that like fucking twisted reality and turned them inside out
>Turned one of them into an inside out cow to kill them, no lie
>Congrats anon you win again
>At a round table with several old white jewish men congratulating me.

Also had a few with greys I believe, underground bases, and the coming "end of the world", dead rising etc. Interesting times to be alive in eh?

>>18309302
Do you not at least give the benefit of the doubt to even a complete fool and at least entertain their ideas to make an observation of his actions leading to such a deduction? If you understood the principals of what it is you would understand that most of this shit in this thread is retarded and no different from formally chatting about Berenstein/stain. Social banter lead under the wing of a leader fucktard. It's like nobody sees themselves getting manipulated so maybe OP at least understands how to divise and subvert. Good job OP you mindfucked a bunch of culty retards.

>>18309606
Excuse me? Don't you think you are overreacting a little bit? The function of an OP is not to moderate the conversation like a nazi. Some parts will be educational and some parts will seem arbitrary. If you didn't learn anything, boo hoo. Go elsewhere.

>>18309606
And BTW, you have NO idea who you are talking to, and what I have experienced. There is only so much that can be formally said.

>>18309425
>Miranda was paid $180k per episode as a publicity ploy to steal away Hannah Montana's fans from Disney and/or become fans of Nickelodeon as well.

You can't be serious lol

>>18256428

Maybe that no one ever sees her around much?

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>>18310967
No. It's some shitty meme probably made up by some faggot senior citizen where some nerd witnessed her as a submissive ho at some frat party where let dudes nut all over her face.

You'd think if that shit actually happened there would be cell phone footage or pics but nah.

Miranda shows absolutely no signs of being sexually abused as a youngster because she wasn't unlike Lindsay Lohan, Miley Cyrus, Amanda Bynes who I suspicion were abused either before they were famous or while or both.

>>18241456

Yes mind control is real. It's called fucking money.

Why make things more complicated than they are? With money you can do ANYTHING.

You can people get to do degrading and disgusting stuff... sell their countries and their mothers and principles... mutilate their bodies. Wage war on countries and then rebuild them.

>>18305324
Sorry but I think you misquoted.

>>18311788
Sure, money is a form of mind control I suppose.
But money is also a way of funding psychology, which can be used to better understand the science of manipulating behavior.

>>18311576
>a submissive ho at some frat party where let dudes nut all over her face.
Well, if true, I think I'd give my left nut to see that video.

>>18311788
Alternatively, you could just traumatize people through rape, extensive physical abuse, making them watch the murder and rape and abuse and cannibalism of other people, etc., especially when they're a child, and also use drugs on them and hypnosis to put them in a totally dependent, slavish state where they will do anything you tell them to based not just on fear but on the fact that you've literally rewired their mind with trauma.

Cf. voodoo and Satanism.

>>18312980
Sounds like bullshit.

You want a politician to comply? Simply let him know that you know where his family is. Or what JFKs fate was.

You want someone assassinated? Get someone from prison or really bad future and promise him money and protection.

Like I sad, it doesn't have to be this complicated.

>>18312980
Children are messy to traumatize. There is also a point at traumatization where people are not easier to control. You just make them helpless, or crazy.

related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jEU6QJqkhE

>>18314192
Nice stuff.. You happen to know anything about the band? Where they at?

>>18314192

wasnt there a band called MKULTRA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MK-Ultra_(band)

>>18284648

Metal gear series as a whole makes no sense

>>18313874
It's an interesting thing to think of.. I have no memory of the events that took place between being brought to the place and after the conditioning session when I was left to rest on the tile floor.

I don't recall the exact events of the conditioning but at a shortly later event my dad was carrying little 5 or 6 year old me into the army post ice cream parlor. This was a large room with tiled floor and walls and crazy acoustics. A black soldier was banging away at a game of whack-a-mole and in response to the sound I very seriously took to forcing myself free from my father's grip ..so that I could maintain control over whatever was about to happen. It took me a startled second or so to see the room and the game and understand that there was no immediate threat. I was hyper alert and expecting to have to defend myself.

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>>18241456

Not sure what's going on here, but I guess this thread is where I can ask this question: Is it possible to see a hypnotist/hypnotherapist in order to remember something/sort through memories? My memory is a bit of a mess, I want to know what is what. So if this is possible, is it a good idea, or should I not bother?

>>18241456

why are butterfly's supposed to be associated with mindcontrol?

>>18316083
Mutant Jazz(tpowerVSmkultra)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ufRj7KuPcXM

>>18316176
>should i even bother?
Pffft
Nuthin personal kiddo, leave the profressionalities to the profressionals

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>>18316205

Don't forget all the new stuff in regards to pizza pedo gate ->

>>18315497

>>18316176
You're going to want to be very careful with hypnotherapists/hypnotherapy. It's just as easy for one to implant memories and instigate control as it is for them to help you uncover real memories. Make absolute sure it is a person that you trust, because you can be manipulated easily through the process of hypnotism and false memories aren't hard to implant for professionals, most of them don't do this intentionally, they simply don't understand how 'suggestion' can corrupt the process.

>>18315983
DXCT is an underground rapper from Kansas. He has a few songs on youtube. He's a solo artists but collaborates with others, such as MAVO in this song. MKULTRA is the name of the song, but not the band.

>>18313868
>>18313874
Damn you guys are uneducated. Read a book about it sometime if you want to argue against it.

>>18318774
You take those books at face value? Seriously? You know they are not written by the people who do the actual deed of shattering, right?
I know that sensationalized books are good reads, but an understanding of psychology is really helpful if you are interested in learning the truth.

It's best to remain a bit open minded with dangerous subjects like mind-control - not accept all you read at face value...
I'm not saying you're 100% wrong, but you could be a lot more wrong then you think

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>>18245996
Dan "Hold Her Tighter She's a Fighter" Schneider

>>18319372
I assume he was talking about reading books in general not just about the subject, like psychology books, political books, and so on.

Here, have one about vampires to stay /x/ related.

https://sabrinasoyer.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/laurence-a-rickels-the-vampire-lectures.pdf

Laurence Rickels it's a great psychoanalist, and his analisis are actually first class.

>>18320119
>I assume he was talking about reading books in general not just about the subject, like psychology books, political books, and so on.
If that's the case, he's pretty far off base.

I stated that children are messy to traumatize, and it doesn't necessarily make them easier to control, just more dysfunctional and likely to have a personality/mental disorder and adjustment problems.

I am educated, I have read a metric fuckton of books on a wide variety of subjects. "read a book" is not a rebuttal.

>>18320120
To traumatize someone will always be messy, but focalized use of trauma based training, basically punishment as a teaching method, it's been used for centuries, and it has been studied since the dawn of psychology, of course they have adjustment problems, but they also need to have constant mental treatment,visits to therapy, reinforcements, or more punishment etc...

The point is that it can be done.

>>18272120
this got me worried my dad is getting treated with those