Fermi's Paradox

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It's easy to prove aliens have been on Earth, but like you said most explanations aren't fun so people will continue to reject it consciously.

>>18207483

Reality is weird,
Someone post the image tha shows that the universe is a gigantic neural network , there you get the original observer.

It's all a simulation, there are no aliens

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>>18207483
>aliens exist, but aren't advanced enough to travel or communicate
>aliens exist, but follow the Prime Directive
>aliens exist, but we're still the most advanced lifeform so far
>spacefaring aliens eventually go extinct as a species, either from lack of breeding like how the West's birthrate is plummeting, or war
>aliens don't exist (yet)

There is no paradox.This is Schrodinger's Spaceman - until we can confirm the truth we can assume aliens both exist and don't exist.

>>18207483
>since all explanations of why we haven't seen aliens against overwhleming odds are spoopy

Those are all possible explanations. However I don't think the obvious evidence of aliens is spooky - the universe is so vast that while "something" being out there is incredibly likely, them actually visiting or having visited with us is much less so.

Other explanations could be that civilizations encounter some sort of barrier to advancing to become an intersteller civilization, whether that be blowing themselves up or something else. Another one is that we could be the first advanced species (i think that's unlikely but it's still a possibility).
I like thinking about it tho, and like the anon said above me: reality is weird.

>>18207712
meant "lack of obvious evidence"

>>18207708
The reason I don't take possibilities such as those seriously is because they don't explain why aliens don't exist, it simply says "by sheer coincidence, not a single alien species exists in such a state that it would eventually reach us".

It's simply enough to say one race of aliens blew themselves up in a war; but to explain Fermi's paradox with it, you're suggesting, millions, billions, maybe even trillions of alien races that could have potentially reached us ended up snuffing themselves out.

>>18207712
The universe may be vast, but look at what happened to Earth; unimaginably huge to our early ancestors numbering only many thousands, and now we're running out of space.

The only limitation to rate of colonisation is how fast your spaceships can go, what planets are possible to live on (with advanced technology, presumably any rocky ones), and the occasional stops you have to make to build new colonisation drop pods on your ark ship.

I think that we just overestimate the likelihood of alien life developing our level of intelligence or higher, and on top of that having a good reason to develop the ability to practice interstellar exploration.

Aliens are not real

>>18207906
>to explain Fermi's paradox with it, you're suggesting, millions, billions, maybe even trillions of alien races that could have potentially reached us ended up snuffing themselves out.

It could just be that interstellar travel is prohibitively impractical due to the light speed barrier. What's genuinely strange is we don't even hear their radio signals.

You all underestimate how large the universe is.

>>18208093
>What's genuinely strange is we don't even hear their radio signals.

I think it's strange we broadcast them out to space. This is like the dumbest thing you can do is attract strangers you don't know and may or may not be more advanced and warlike than you.

>>18208156
I wanted to write this, then noticed you already have. Thanks Anon.

>>18207483
the simplest answer to te fermi paradox is one that nobody really thinks about.

there may not have been enough time for another advanced civilization to breach the type 2 point.
the universe is only 13.5billion years old, the first few billion of which everything was a giant ass lump of hot gas. the earth took nearly 8billion years just to happen. we may not see life out there because it just hadn't happened yet.

>>18207906
i would like to point out that for nearly three quarters of this universes life span there weren't any advanced protiens or molecules to form them, so there is a geniune possibility that we are the first, or one of the very first, naturally evolving species to reach this point.

>>18207676
oh fuck off with that image. orion is one of the most prominent and recognizable constellations in the sky, and has been for fucking millions of years. humans have historically used the sky to navigate. we have always been aware of the heavens. is it really that fucking hard to believe that humans did this shit completely independently???

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>>18208014
Damn, looks like you got it all figured out. Guess we'll all stop thinking and just come to you for all of life's answers from now on. Thanks, senpai.

>>18207676
>It's easy to prove aliens have been on Earth
Uhm ... No.

The one big mistake everyone makes is assuming that ayy lifeforms are anything even remotely like us. Look at the life on earth and just how diverse it is. All a common ancestor yet some of us are elephants and some of us are squids and some of us are microbes too small to see. Ayys might not even reproduce. They may not have eyes. They may not have locomotion. They may not even have a physical form, maybe they are a liquid or a gas. They may have evolved to be a part of their planet, they may even live miles deep inside of it. They may be able to fly or float, they might even rely on solar energy. Maybe they have adapted to a life in space. Maybe they grow indefinitely - and live forever, and thus just float around in space growing forever until they match the size of comets, even moons.

We often depict Ayys as bipedal, with 2 arms and a head, 2 eyes and a nose. How utterly insane. Not even most earth creatures have these features, how do we expect creatures from different worlds to have these things? When the alien invasion does come, they probably won't land an invasion force. They will probably just send in their enslaved and purposely bread gas-cloud-aliens that they captured from some distant star systems, clogging our atmosphere with self-reproducing lifeforms that exchange all the oxygen in the atmosphere with Sulphur or some shit, smothering all life. And we won't be able to do shit, because theres nothing to nuke, nothing to shoot at, nothing to negotiate with, just sentient clouds of sulphur killing all life. We can't ask "why?" just ask much as an ant can't ask why you're burning him with your magnifying glass.

>>18208462
>>18208474
Once again, these are bad answers to Fermi's Paradox because they assume that by amazing chance, we are one of the earliest alien races, older than most of the potential billions that could reach us in a reasonable (less than several billion years) amount of time, and not having any neighbours more than a few million years older than us.

>>18209568

somebody has to be the first lifeform.

despite all our knowledge of evolution and cellular biology we still can't explain abiogenesis. it's entirely possible that life is much, much rarer and harder to get started than we suppose. maybe the 2 billion years it took for life to get started here is on the short side of the bell curve. there is evidence that our solar system is very unusual in the galaxy and a combination of rather unlikely events (planets passing through, collisions, etc.) created the pattern of gas giants and rocky planets we have that in turn changes the patterns of bombardment from planet-killing debris. we may also be lucky that a collision gave us a moon which is so large compared to our planet and messes with our tides in ways helpful to life.

it's not proof, but there is the other piece of evidence suggesting we might be unusual - the fucking fermi paradox.

>>18209995

given how many different ways the human race has tried to end itself and still might succeed in ending itself, it's also not beyond the realm of possibility that many races experience similar problems. we can't guess much of anything about aliens, but one thing we can assume is that they survived long enough to become intelligent, which means that they (like us) are good at surviving. the same traits that let us survive ice ages and genocide the neanderthals may be traits we needed to get here but also traits that make us very likely to murder each other with nukes and bioweapons. or for that matter likely to waste all our time and resources squabbling over stupid shit like politics and religion until we've burned through all our fossil fuels and no longer have the infrastructure to invest in a space program.

the human race is like a baby in a diaper crawling out of a demolition derby full of smoking ruined cars and then looking around going "but there must be other babies around here, i can't be unusual!"

>>18210026

the paradox is mysterious and you're right, it's not very satisfying to suppose that Earth must be very unusual in our neighborhood. but that doesn't really justify invoking a bunch of 50's pulp scifi quality pseudoscience about quantum mechanics and observers that you clearly don't really understand.

>>18208156

the amount of time it takes for a race to slowly colonize nearby planets only seems large compared to a human lifespan, not large compared to the amount of time it takes for solar systems to form and humans to evolve from germs. the galaxy is big (never mind the universe), but it's not big enough to explain the paradox.

if we had a dedicated space program and were determined to spread out from our solar system to those nearby it would happen on a scale of, maybe, hundreds of years. that's nothing, a blip on the galactic scale. and that expansion happens at a geometric rate if our population isn't subject to controls of limited resources. be generous and say it takes a hundred thousand years to colonize the galactic arm - that's still nothing.

for zero other races to have colonized our solar system means we are missing something. either it is much, much rarer than we believe for life to get to where we are, or some other nutty explanation like OP's list must be the case.

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I think there may be a "Great Filter" that snuffs out almost if not every organism. Perhaps the jump from one-celled to multicelled is the filter. Perhaps once a race gets to a certain point, they are slaughtered by a "super predator" race. (Think reapers from Mass Effect). there are tons of theories as to what it could be.

>>18210085
>Perhaps once a race gets to a certain point, they are slaughtered by a "super predator" race.

More likely the organism becomes so successful it begins to compete with itself and either starves or otherwise self destructs.

If we're bringing up the Kardashev scale, there's probably a "great filter" phase near the boundary for each "stage" of a civilisation. That's without any interference by hypothetical soon-to-be competition in the bracket said civilisation is about to enter.

>>18210085
It's the AI singularity.
/thread

>>18210085
The problem with the idea of a great filter is that it's very distinct from a mass extinction event, and while we've had to avoid our fair share of mass extinction events, there's no unusual evolutionary leaps we've had to make.

The intelligence level of humans isn't too unusually high, if you consider how stupid they can be if uneducated and how intelligent animals can be if trained.

And mass extinction events can boost life ahead.
If all the world superpowers went about nuking each other, then those who most quickly recover, rebuild, and repopulate would be the best of those nuked.

>>18207483
You forgot possibility zero: universe is teeming with intelligent life, but large scale interstellar travel is impossible.

>>18208093
>What's genuinely strange is we don't even hear their radio signals.

thinking about the inverse square law, it really isn't that odd.

EM signals become increasingly incoherent over distance to the point that any signal from another system would basically fade into the cosmic background radiation unless it was star-tier powerful, directed intentionally in a coherent beam, or both.

>>18207483
>unquestionably the single most important thing in science
No...no it's not, not at all. It's near-useless contemplation and pop-sci rhetoric. Almost every other question in science is more important, even minor things. Because they actually contribute to the world, and to science, this is more of a philosophical question than anything else. It's not even close to scientific.

>>18211217
>every single possible answer to this question that isn't "sheer dumb luck" would totally fuck up our view of the universe if proven true
>not important

>>18211022
Kind of like us Interneters. When two of us meet in person, there's all kinds of potential conversations going on is each other's heads but communicating together is to far off a stretch to ever be able to understand each other

>>18211006
>Implying that life and its unchecked spread throughout the universe - especially intelligent consumer life - is desirable.

The great filter is a cancer treatment applied to intelligent populations that begin to metastasize.

>>18207906
He's saying there's something, maybe even something we dont know/understand yet and it snuffs out all meaningful space colonization.

>>18208856
This

>>18207483
What if there are other human beings living on other planets? Imagine humans were seeded to various planets and evolved independently over many star systems. There could be people living in castles on some far distant planet going through their own medieval age. They could be amazingly advanced with hyperspace travel and intergalactic communication. There could be anything out there. Astral projecting is the way to explore imo. Too late to explore the world, too early for space, but just in time for alternate dimensions.

>>18207483
>life in space doesnt exist
Well, we are here

But we have yet to see if we end up like the atomic age civs in stellaris and nuke ourself

>>18211679
I agree with astral exploration of the universe, but I should remind you that fossils demonstrate humans developed here.

What if mars is just a result of a nuclear fallout and we are the descendants of the survivors of the aftermath

>>18207483
What if God is real? What if there aren't other advanced civilizations out there because intelligent CANNOT just "happen"?

What if species that have achieved interstellar travel follow a code of not interfering until a civilization also comes to understand how to achieve interstellar travel?

>>18207676
>It's easy to prove aliens have been on Earth

lol. go on and give a single proof then

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>>18207483
There is no outer space.

>>18212642
Why would he create this infinite universe and do nothing with it?

>>18213000
Define "nothing."

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We wont ever contact life unlezs we take the evolutionary leap forward to their level of being.
Currently we are set to die out very soon, or comee close to it at least.

Guys i dont know but i honestly think a mass extinction event may happen sooner than anyone thinks

>>18210062
yall remember our solar system is also moving at hundreds of thousands of miles per hour?

Imagine driving a car from one end of the country to the other, but the country not only keeps expanding in all directions, but the exact building you want to go is in a town that's not only moving away from you, but has other little buildings moving around it and if you miss by trying to go to fast, you run the risk of falling into the giant fiery sinkhole in the middle of that town.

I know, its sloppy but I hate the whole "threading a needle" analogy and this was as close as I could get while so tired.

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>>18207483
or many encountered already aliens and UFOs but instead of believing them everyone only called them lunatics and put them in asylums

>>18209568
It's not amazing chance. It's science. Every atom in the universe more complex than hydrogen was created in the hearts of stars, nuclear furnaces that can live for billions of years. The only examples of life we've thus far seen make use of those complex elements that only get created in abundance near the end of a star's lifespan.

In other words, it's totally conceivable that we are among the "firstborn."

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>>18207483
> from least to most weird:
>weird quantum physics prevents complex structures (life) from existing too far from the observer
And the first one is the weirdest. /sci/ here, and what the fuck are you talking about? I hate to ask that, because the explanation will involve someone not understanding anything about quantum physics.

>we were created
I guess.

>a colossal Type 3 or 4 alien civilisation treats the galaxy or universe as a zoo, preventing us from beyond overun by or even encountering aliens
Not that weird

>our understanding of the universe is heavily flawed, and aliens have much better things to do than spread between the planets we can observe
Probably the most likely

>our understanding of the universe is totally flawed, and rather than spreading outwards from the big bang, the universe is constructed through observation
That's just paradoxical and retarded.

>>18213241
>it's totally conceivable that we are among the "firstborn."

THAT is fucking depressing, we are setting a shitty example in that case.

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>>18213241
>In other words, it's totally conceivable that we are among the "firstborn."

great, and we keep fucking ourselfs up again and again, never will leave this hellhole and are able to fuck with less develoüed species, landing on their front lawn, walking around in weird suits and antennas on the head, maybe even just taking them up to space and back again, just so he will be totally confused and ridiculed by everyone he tells about it.

There's also the possibility that many aliens are evolving at the same time as we are out in our galaxy and in other galaxies. We're just spread so far apart that currently we can't see or communicate with them yet. It could be a alien space race to colonize the cosmos 1000 years from now.

>>18213290
And this is why we have to do better. Each and every one of us.

>>18207676
I don't understand what you think this image proves

Was it impossible for ancient civilizations to look up, without aliens to help them?

>>18213290
What have you created in your lifetime, anon?

>>18207483
Fermi's paradox is kinda dumb imo.

"If they're out there, then why haven't we seen them!?" is a really poor argument. It's like a primitive jungle tribe asking "Where are all the white people?" just because we haven't met them, or choose not to interfere with them for moral/ethical reasons. And that's only on the scale of civilizations on a single planet. When taking in the size and scope of the entire universe then the whole fermi paradox thing starts to fall apart.

I just watched Independence Day 2. In the future, jews will be the master race mastermind saviours of all bipedal apes who rule over the goyim. Whites are all dangerous psychos and race-mixing dolts, niggers are top tier calm and collected leaders and expert warriors (but still speak at a 3rd grade reading level, and some, even despite their species never inventing a written language, can decipher an advanced alien language), and the Chinese keep being the soulless jews of Asia. Surprisingly, Arabs no longer exist...or are they now called Swedish? Doesn't matter, jews hate Arabs and weren't allowed in the movie.

Just goes to show, that to prepare for this future threat and protect #apelivesmatter, we must race-mix out of existence the creators of civilisation and space travel, keep sending more money to Israel, and import more niggers. Oh and vote Hillary 2016, a female president is needed save the earth. It's obviously our only chance against an unfathomably advanced alien species hellbent on destroying earth.

>>18210026
>the same traits that let us survive ice ages and genocide the neanderthals
Neanderthals still exist. The genes are highly concentrated in some populations like jews.

>>18213282
It's pretty fun when science deems something "retarded," much like what will be said about the standard model in a hundred years.

Assuming anyone's here in 100 years lol

>>18213458
> "Where are all the white people?"
Theyz being kangz

>>18213458
The scale of the universe doesn't matter terribly much when a civilisation could potentially cover a sphere expanding at almost the speed of light.

Every civilisation that starts colonising other planets would be expected to eventually start spreading at this rate, which means that after a billion years of intelligent aliens existing every single planet in the universe would be within the reach of millions of civilisations.

And 99% of the primitive jungle tribes encountered white people when there were just several empires outreaching!

>>18208824
>>18212813
we are aliens. we're here because something from space hit this planet and caused organisms to come into existence. evolution turned us into what we are today.

>>18210062
Still underestimating the scope of this by a great margin, actually. Even a galactic arm is an infinitesimal amount of universal real estate. And, since we have no real concept of what level of technology it would take to break the light barrier, if it's even possible at all, there is no real value in guessing how soon we would colonize anything anyway.

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>>18213710
And you can't leave the galaxy anyway

We're trapped in a blackhole, so no one in their right fucking mind would ever get close or they'd be traped, we'll eventually cross the event horizon and emerge in a totally different reality, probably dead but maybe not.

>>18213780
"Behold! I show you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed."

>>18210085
I think there is actually merit to this, in a way. It's possible that this kind of thing occurs when a species grows so successful that escapes the natural mechanisms pushing its own evolution and becomes wildly powerful beyond control. Humans are completely capable of annihilating each other in a nuclear war, and have come close to doing it. Maybe the great filter is when a species gains the power to destroy itself.

>>18213595
Most of the time, when an idea is deemed scientifically retarded, it's because it is. Nobody's surprised when a retarded idea continues to be retarded, so nobody talks about it.
What you're thinking of - an idea being dismissed and then returning to revolutionize science - is actually pretty rare, but since everyone loses their shit about it, you get people with a confirmation bias that think it happens all the time.

tl:dr - it's probably just a retarded idea

>>18213647
We're talking about more recent visits, and also we don't know that. Given the materials and an ass-load of time, it's not hard to believe that a self-replicating molecule would eventually turn up randomly.

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Why hasn't this been posted yet?

>>18207708
>the West's birthrate is plummeting
imagine being around when the world population is something like 100 mil, if that ever happens. It's just normal for most houses to be vacant, nobody's ever around, family members are some of the only, if not THE only people you know. Everything is so quiet, so peacefully lonely.

Aliens choose not to contact civilizations until they are certain they've solved the fundamental problems of their civilization because it would ruin their unique cultural evolution and essentially make them pets and dependent on them. So they don't broadcast galactic radio beacons or anything of the sort.

At least this is one potential solution.

>>18213961
To explain, any alien species would either have to be SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT EARTH to know we are there, or be within 200 light years AND actively listening for our signals.

Based on extrapolation from the density of stars in 5 parsecs, there are an estimated 14,600 stars within 100 light years of us. Let's give us even larger chances, and say it's double that to an even 30,000 stars. A sphere 200 light years has about 4 times the volume of a 100 ly sphere. If we extrapolate this, we can estimate that there are 120,000 stars in range of our broadcasts. It is estimated the Milky Way contains 200-400 billion stars. So let's take the LOW estimate for this one: 200 billion stars.

So out of 200 billion stars, we've reached maybe 120,000 with our broadcasts. That .0000006% of the Milky Way. It is perfectly reasonable to think that in .0000006% of stars in the Milky Way, only one has intelligent life on it, and that we simply haven't made our presence large enough to be noticed by anyone else.

Here's a thought.

You guys ever see the original x files where they have the dude strapped into a chair and are running him through simulations? One of which they line him up to shoot an alien that's attacking people but he's like wait a minute, I'm not shooting that, that's a human. You said shoot the alien, there is no alien. Well guess what, their are no aliens. Just humans. Those flying saucers? People from the future, the far past, or alternate dimensions. That AI? That's a person without a body, in a machine. Bigfoot? That's a hairy person with territorial issues because y'all are dicks stirring in his shit trying to prove he exists because you're so fucking cool. That Crabman? That's a fucking Crabman person. He's a person who happens to have, big, meaty, claws.

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>>18213290
>>18213336
>thinking our track record or even sentient life or civilization matters

fags

>>18211022
If an alien race is advanced enough then interstellar travel is easy. Forget the speed of spaceflight entirely. Time itself for us on a universal scale is in it's infancy. Our species is what? 25k years old? An alien civilization could be 25 million years old for all we know. Let's say they started colonizing planets at about 500k years after they evolved the intelligence required for spaceflight. Now let's say it took them 5k years to colonize their solar system. Once they did all they could with their own solar system they moved on from there colonizing solar systems nearby at a rate of 10k years counting the amount of time it took them to travel to said solar systems and then colonize them completely. At this rate, by the time their civilization reached 25mil years they'd definitely have most of their own galaxy colonized and probably other galaxies nearby depending on their intelligence, speed of their ships, the rate they're able to populate, etc.

>>18213000
The vast endlessness of time and space are the prison bars and walls that confine us to our world

As to why we are here, I dunno it seems pretty illogical

>>18214040
>If an alien race is advanced enough then interstellar travel is easy.

It is just as plausible that an advanced species determines that interstellar travel in any reasonable amount of time is IMPOSSIBLE and after colonizing their star system they eventually use up their resources and fade away into oblivion.

>>18213000
For us to explore
>shit would be cash

>>18214073
Time is of no issue if an alien race can create a self-sustaining ship and/or cryo like pods. We have no way of putting people into cryo stasis but an alien race might have figured it out if possible.

>>18214113
>if
>might have
>if possible

>It is just as plausible that an advanced species determines that interstellar travel in any reasonable amount of time is IMPOSSIBLE

>>18208856
Aside from gaseous space clouds bipedal is the only way to go. There just isn't an easy way for a quadruped to do many things. Having half of your limbs free from needing to move you is probably the biggest advantage you could have in life in general. Being able to multitask is fundamentally important to being advanced. And it's difficult for quadrupedal animals to even move and complete another task let alone complete multiple things while moving.
TL:DR-Ayy Lmaos can't be quadrupedal because a natural step is evolution is becoming bipedal, and it's near impossible to achieve any sort of advancement when you can't even do something while walking

>>18207483
If we are that small, then any civilisation that advanced couldn't be bothered to give a fuck what happens to us. We are bacteria that grew on the bottom of someone's shoe.

>>18214165
they could have more than 4 limbs and thus have more than 2 legs and still limbs left for arms

>>18213814
>massive nuclear war
>99.9% of humans die, probably mostly from cancer since blanket bombing the entire earth is unrealistic
>remaining 0.1% are those somewhat better suited to survive nuclear war
>those who come out on top in the long term are those better at rebuilding and repopulating
>once population recovers, it's an overall better population
Mass extinction effects aren't really filters you can consider when trying to explain Fermi's paradox.
If anything, major events can get a planet's life out of stagnation.

Total extinction events do of course weigh in, but there's not many we know of yet.
The only instantaneous ones we know of that can happen to an Earthlike planet are getting hit by an asteroid massive enough to bring the temperature across the entire surface past boiling, and being too close to an exploding star.
Non-instantaneous events that could be regarded as "total extinction events" are somewhat a grey area.

>>18214488
except you vastly overestimate the resources the re-builders will have available to them. Our current civilization has already scowered all the easily available metals, stone, rare earth, oil. The survivors will only have 1/1000th of the materials the pre-apocalypse civ had.

>>18214664
>post apocalypse
>shortage of metal
nigga what

>>18214040
If it is easy, then where are they?

Here are a couple of readings for you:

https://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/10/why-not-space/
http://www.declineoftheempire.com/2013/11/we-dont-see-sentient-extraterrestrials-because-they-dont-exist.html

You sure remember the Robots stories by Asimov--only microorganisms were found in other planets.

Exponential growth is a bitch, Anon. The entire universe would be filled very quickly. Again: where are they?

>>18213961
Shit dude...
That's beautiful

>>18213961
You can't take pictures of the full Milky Way. Nice try.

>>18213282
>That's just paradoxical and retarded.

Not at all. If the universe is simply a simulation, as some believe, perhaps it is just procedurally generated as new chunks are approached.

Yep, the universe is fucking Minecraft.

>>18212994
this, aliens are just a substitute word for demons, which they'll use to form the NWO

Project Blue Beam niggers

watch these in order
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNDGgL73ihY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNhhvQGsMEc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fQkVqno-uI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL4yYHdDSWs

>>18216138
>implying some YouTuber whose job it is to explain known things can somehow do a better job figuring out the unknown than so many philosophers and scientists
It's a great channel but it's a bit shoddy and uninformative for even fringe science, let alone especially deep and complex hypothetical problems.

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>>18216138
>>18216330
Watch these instead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfuK8la0y6s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmbldpqn0K4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDPj5zI66LA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVCpBr3fxdE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXIpR_agyl4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQIB3-EtL1w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4snQS1QGD4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94iDdHRa2X4

>>18215588
>Thanks to Nick Risinger for the artist's conception of the Milky Way

You need to be more observant.

The annunaki seeded our planet with life after their technological singularity and used our planet as an outpost to mine gold and other precious materials while guiding our evolutionary and technological advancement. Eventually humans rebelled against their creators and the annunaki abandoned our ancient civilizations. Now the Grey's which are basically escaped slaves of the annunaki, want to use our DNA to reproduce, something that The annunaki prevented them from doing via sterilization programs (similar to the ones going on with earth now).

>>18216354
i promise /x/ as a whole will improve if even a small percentage of regular posters watch this series

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>>18207483
>overwhelming odds of aliens existing
Please, provide some sort of evidence for this belief. I beg you.

>>18207483
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNhhvQGsMEc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fQkVqno-uI

this 2-part video series is one of the best introductions to the fermi paradox I've seen

>>18208474
>i would like to point out that for nearly three quarters of this universes life span there weren't any advanced protiens or molecules to form them
>citation needed
>>18208462
>the first few billion of which everything was a giant ass lump of hot gas.
>citation needed

>>18208856
>Ayys might not even reproduce.
No, they're gonna reproduce. If they didn't reproduce, that would disprove evolution right there.

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>>18214165
Probably the dumbest thing i have ever heard on x in a longtime

>>18214664
>except you vastly overestimate the resources the re-builders will have available to them.
I don't think I do.

>The survivors will only have 1/1000th of the materials the pre-apocalypse civ had.
You're wrong and I'll prove you wrong with your own quote.

>Our current civilization has already scowered all the easily available metals, stone, rare earth.

Exactly. So now all that shit is just sitting there on the surface.

>>18214165
You're assuming all alien life will only have four limbs.

>>18208856
>Ayys might not even reproduce.

I dunno, anon. I largely agree with what you say, but I feel like this is probably one of the safest assumptions to make about other lifeforms elsewhere in the universe.

>>18218923
Not just 'one of the' safest assumptions. It's even safer to assume that alien life forms, if they exist, will reproduce somehow, than it is to assume that extraterrestrial life exists at all.

Dark City

We live in a flat earth, which is a humongous space garden tended by biomechanical robots. They feed off our negative emotions and have yet to actually discover our actual genetic makeups. If you think this is impossible just go visit successful city states like Singapore and you'll see how to grow human livestock.

>>18218610
Check out >>18213241 for the logic behind proteins and organic molecules taking a long time to appear in abundance.

It's not outside the realm of possibility that isolated pockets of the universe produced the necessary elements earlier than others, but it does greatly limit opportunities for life of any kind(at least as we understand it) to arise.

>>18213961
/thread

>>18207483
>Giving guns and training to violent people.

Isn't this what started the Taliban, and eventually, ISIS?

>>18219306
It is. Here's my solution:

Devote one year's worth of the military budgets of the first world to mass-producing cheap AK knock-offs and ammo, airdrop them randomly all over the world, devote all military personnel to defending their home country's borders for a decade, and break off all diplomatic ties for a decade.

After the time expires, negotiate with whoever's left, or if they're unreasonable, uncompromising fanatics, wipe them from the face of the earth.

>>18208193
This. Carl Sagan warned against SETI doing this retarded shit, likening it to screaming into the jungle hoping something will come find you.

>tfw the universe is infinite so maybe 9000000000 millions light years from here there are huge wars being fought, suns exploding, completely different sets of physics
It hurts my brain when I try to wrap my mind around this

>>18219189
They only need to arise once before they're seeded across the galaxy and universe, whether by chance or with artificial help.

>>18220854
Yeah, but you're way better off if they show up relatively local, otherwise you're up against the relativistic speed limit, well, at least for natural propagation.

>>18214165
you're retarded

>>18207708
>>aliens exist, but we're still the most advanced lifeform so far
I don't understand why so many people have a problem with this
look at the odds of life existing *at all* and then see how relatively quickly it formed on earth, and how exponentially quickly our civilization has grown, expanded, and evolved

>>18207906
>"by sheer coincidence, not a single alien species exists in such a state that it would eventually reach us".
this is the mostly likely outcome to occur; Occam's Razor

>>18213961
bear in mind that the actual range in which these signals can be interpreted is smaller than even this because of the inverse square law.

in order to actually get coherent signal, you have to specifically target something with a coherent beam -- I.e. radio lasers.

you can't hear our transmissions from a star system over anymore than you can pick up north Korean TV from Idaho. likewise, if aliens are using radio like we use it, we can't hear them either.

the paradox falls apart when you realise that your base odds aren't derived from the Drake equation, but from the probability that a given civilisation isn't actively sending high powered collimated radio signals directly to earth.

>>18221338
Not to mention it is likely there is a better means of transferring data than using EM waves. Or at least using them more efficiently so that "wasted" broadcasts aren't sent out across the cosmos.

Thus it is possible that there is only a brief window of time where the radio signals from a civilization could potentially be used to detect that civilization.

>>18207483
Another thing ,alies could be so exotic to our senses that their form of communication would be undetectable to our reasoning/senses,or,they're so different that are unable to notice us.

>>18211150
This right 'ere, same reason you can't laserpoint someone on the moon.

>>18207483
An observer is any particle that interacts with another, it is not a conscious being measuring a particle but rather one measuring another

>>18221484
I agree with the sentiment, but I don't see a reason why an alien species wouldn't evolve some form of EM wave detection or manipulation. EM waves are ubiquitous and abundant. To say an alien species has no form of EM communication means they aren't using or aware of visible light, radio waves, X-Rays, UV, infrared, etc.

Even if they aren't the main means of communication, not being aware of or not detecting anything in the EM spectrum would mean to me they aren't going to be very advanced at all.

>>18221548
>Even if they aren't the main means of communication, not being aware of or not detecting anything in the EM spectrum would mean to me they aren't going to be very advanced at all.

see >>18221338

EM waves are almost impossible to eavesdrop on, unless the ETI is directly trying to contact earth.

it's not a matter of them being unsophisticated. it's a matter of, even if they were using EM, we wouldn't see it.

>>18221570
I was referring specifically to them being undetectable because of some "alien means." I know the limits of EM waves.

Why is it so hard for us humans to get over ourselves/everything we know and think we know?

I mean, its unreal how many things must exist that we simply couldn't/can't/ and maybe never will fathom, and I think its foolish to try too hard at it. We shouldn't roll over and take whatever.. The universe, or whatever god or creator or aliens, or nothing at all has in store for us. But I feel we should.. Not 'know our place' but just accept our position, whatever it is in the now. Because whatever is next is going to be mind blowing and out of the blue, and whatever is after that will be, and after that and etc etc

>>18222627
And besides, one of those 'nexts' could be total annihilation! Why dwell on infinitesimal (Im)possibilities

>>18213458
The jungle people literally don't think white people exist tho

>>18213780
How did you come up with this theory?

>>18213911
This is the most wrong and retarded post I have ever seen. Most of the time when an idea is deemed "retarded" it is PROPOGANDA from the powers that be who think the common demos cannot assess evidence for themselves and must be told what to do.

>>18213969
This is no way to raise the children of the New Rennaisance. Community is needed for flourishing civilization.

>>18213458
The fermi paradox says that at one point a civilisation would come up with a 'von neumann probe' a self replicating machine to explore/colonise the known universe in a mere 3.5 million years.This plus the fact these ships would most likely emit some kind of signal.

>>18222627
>I think its foolish to try too hard at it
I agree, that's why shit like the Drake Equation and Dark Matter theory get me upset

>>18214165
Shit nigga you dumb they might not even be carbon based

>>18213969
God damn you're naive

>>18224311
Please, name another idea suppressed by the powers that be in anything like modern times. I crave succor, and this is certain to be imbecilic.

>>18224460
>Implying von Neumann probes aren't already here
>Implying it's more likely for life to have randomly appeared on earth than for it to have been seeded
>Implying life isn't like an unstoppable cancer upon the galaxy

>>18221302
this is why its a paradox anon

>life evovles so quickly
>we were barely born in the history of the galaxy
>surely there must've been some other life form that was born at the beginning of the universe
>surely they must be light years ahead of us in technology
>where are they?

>>18213996
ily intellect anon. Please continue to post here more often, we need more of your types here

>>18207483
I believe David Icke (the guy who says the movie They Live is how things actually are, only many of the aliens look like crocodiles) provides the single most elegant explanation for the Fermi paradox, when one also considers the logistical problems one has with being a visible tyrant as opposed to an invisible one. That doesn't make him right, but things are how they are.

>>18208462
Leading scientists have abandoned the big bang bucko, is and always has been here, but I'm a Christian so that wasn't news to me

>>18224294
Exactly his point I think.

>>18226088

Citation needed.

And Ken Ham is not a leading anything.

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Spiral nemesis.

>>18208014
kek

>>18225215
>surely there must've been some other life form that was born at the beginning of the universe
no, not surely. the odds of life existing AT ALL are slim to none, and the fact that Earth produced life so quickly is astronomically insane

>>18207483
>This is unquestionably the single most important thing in science
>made up bullshit to attract retards
looks like it works