The Curious Case of WTC7

WTC 7 Falls in under 7 seconds. The rate of free fall for the 47 story building is 6.8 seconds.

https://youtu.be/Ml_n5gJgQ_U

Tom Petty's FREE FALLIN' starring BUILDING 7

https://youtu.be/v-27FGbpBk4

Back to /pol/ please.

Confused. Thought "conspiracy theories", even tho this isn't a theory anymore belonged in /x/. Would like to see /911/ and I'd fill it up myself with evidence.

>>18201892
Anything involving Jews is usually /pol/ related.

/biz/ - Business & Finance
2. All political discussion belongs in /pol/. Conspiracy theories belong in /x/.
Source: http://www.4chan.org/rules#biz

I mean no disrespect. I don't know where to put my posts.

>>18201920
At the very least, keep your shit in one thread

>>18201804

How do you know how fast it collapsed with all that dust and smoke in the way?

>>18201813
>we can estimate

So you don't actually know.

>>18201804
>"Red" brick
>3 kg.
This says it all, I'ld tell this people that before starting with the conspiracies, you should study study.
Faggot.

My bad. Thought each significant picture was supposed to be it's own thread. Confused again. Didn't mean any disrespect to the board. Just want this stuff seen. I am mad bro about my country killing it's own people and getting away with it.

>>18201920

You're in the right place don't worry, that guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpiVv8tQdmY
This is the only video that anyone needs to watch to know with 100% certainty that there is something amiss about the official 9/11 story given to us by the government. To believe what has been told to us verbatim is pure ignorance and stupidity. It is a long video, but it is very extensive and contains all cited work and research, non-partial officials, and qualified persons to speak on each individual area of the 9/11 conspiracy.

If you're going to watch any video on the incident, WATCH THIS ONE.

No dust and smoke in the way of the third tower that fell that day... https://youtu.be/Mamvq7LWqRU

Yep watched the Toronto Hearings! That will inform anyone. The Honorary President of the Supreme Court of Italy is there to hear the evidence. Ferdinando Imposimoto. His brother was killed by the mafia when the judge went after them. He's legit.

>>18201958
That video not only shows plenty of dust, but also very tall buildings obscuring the fall.

Here the building video of WTC7 (the 3rd tower that fell) is set beside a physics program showing it fell at freefall speeds...

https://youtu.be/Ml_n5gJgQ_U

It fell at freefall speeds for 2.25 seconds. That means 8 stories of 82 columns all gave out at the same time and the building fell symetrically, against the path of most resistance, into it's own footprint... due to office fires. Office fires will not cause all 82 columns to fail at the same exact time. Cmon my man.

>>18201972
That says they estimated it, they don't actually have video.

So they don't actually know it was at freefall. They're just guessing.

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>>18201976
But we know it didn't fall symmetrically and it didn't land in its own footprint.

Shit, it took out like ten stories of a building across the street. Don't you know anything about 9-11?

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Well, they wouldn't have to "guess" with pretty damn obvious physics if NIST would release their computer model that "might jeopardize public safety". lol

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WTC7 in it's own footprint. Yeah, I know anything about 9/11. Do you?

p0wned

>>18201986
>computer model

Still a guess, retard.

>>18201997
>in it's own footprint
>Debris spread everywhere, even after major cleanup begun

Do you know what footprint even means, bro? Because that pic demonstrates you don't.

lolz

What is the reason for knocking building seven down?

To the guy that kept refuting the evidence...

Let's compare your authority with that of the 2,700 architects and engineers that put their names on the line as well as these scientists (not to mention all the pilots, military officers, eyewitnesses, and more)...

-Dr. J. Leroy Hulsey, P.E., S.E. (Civil/Structural Engineer)

-David Chandler (Physicist/Mathematician),

-David Cole (Civil Engineer),

-STEVEN JONES, PH.D, PROFESSOR EMERITUS, BRIGHAM YOUNG UNIVERSITY (Physicist),

- Niels Holger Harrit, PhD
Ph.D. Chemistry, University of Copenhagen, 1975, Thesis: mechanistic photochemistry
Post Doctorate, Columbia University, New York, 1977
Master of Science, Chemistry, Max-Planck-Institute for Strahlenchemi, Mulheim an der Ruhr, Germany

- Tony Szamboti, B.S.M.E., (Mechanical Engineer)
Over 20 years of experience in the aerospace industry. He designs structures for aircraft, spacecraft, and support equipment.

-PROF. LYNN MARGULIS, NATIONAL MEDAL OF SCIENCE WINNER

-JEFF FARRER, PH.D., CHEMICAL ENGINEER

-KATHY MCGRADE, B.S., METALLURGICAL ENGINEER

-SCOTT GRAINGER, F.P.E., FIRE PROTECTION/FORENSIC/CIVIL ENGINEER

-ROLAND ANGLE, P.E., CIVIL ENGINEER

-STEPHEN BARASCH, HIGH-RISE ARCHITECT

-FRANK CULLINAN, CIVIL ENGINEER

-STEVEN DUSTERWALD, S.E., STRUCTURAL ENGINEER

-RICK FOWLKES, S.E., STRUCTURAL ENGINEER

-RICHARD HUMENN, P.E., WTC CHIEF ELECTRICAL ENGINEER, RET.

-ALFRED LOPEZ, S.E., STRUCTURAL ENGINEER

-ED MUNYAK, P.E., FIRE PROTECTION ENGINEER, MECHANICAL ENGINEER

-KAMAL OBEID, S.E., STRUCTURAL ENGINEER

-CASEY PFEIFFER, S.E., STRUCTURAL ENGINEER

-WILLIAM RICE, P.E., M.S., B.S., CIVIL ENGINEER

...and then lets add in...

Ferdinando Imposimato is the Honorary President of the Supreme Court of Italy and a former Senator who served on the Anti–Mafia Commission in three administrations. He is the author or co–author of seven books on international terrorism, state corruption, and related matters, and a Grand Officer of the Order of Merit of the Republic of Italy.

During his career as prosecutor, Imposimato was in charge of investigation for the kidnapping of Aldo Moro, Mehmet Ali Ağca's attempted assassination of Pope John Paul II, the assassination of banker Michele Sindona, and several Mafia trials. In 1981 he was in charge of the trial against the Banda della Magliana. Two years later, his brother Franco was killed in revenge and, after endless menaces against his family from organized crime, he left his work as judge in 1986, working as United Nations consultant against the drugs market. He also dealt with violations of human rights in South America.

He believes that some top members of the CIA were aware of the presence of 9/11 terrorists in the United States but did not alert "the only agency competent to counter terrorism on US soil," the FBI. He suggested that the only possibility for achieving justice is to submit the case to the Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court.

and the other dozen high-profile lawyers that heard this evidence not only at the Toronto Hearings (in the link above from someone else) but also the Justice in Focus symposium that was held in NY on 9/11/2016 (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqCa8wueN-fqRIwdp6IlW_yJgZ0WoKtXi). They are all so convinced that they are seeking to assemble a legal team and to procure a federal grand jury and grand juries in NY and NJ.

9/11 - The Truth In 5 Minutes - James Corbett

https://youtu.be/hgrunnLcG9Q

Beyond the 28 Pages - What A Real 9/11 Investigation Would Reveal

https://youtu.be/ZE6VUpSgx9Q

>>18202210
That's a lot of retarded engineers who don't know what a footprint is.

9/11 Trillions: Follow The Money

https://youtu.be/n3xgjxJwedA

Mr. Footprint... you're such a tool.

100% indisputable evidence!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52a-xR2HCA8

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>>18202202
SEC (security exchange commission) records because GW Bush was being investigated for securities fraud

>>18201914
Everything has jews in it

9/11 isnt a conspiracy theory its documented fact and if you deny the truth youre a nutjob.

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1999

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Bumpity bump

The whole structure of Building 7, like the twin towers, was removed of its ability to support itself at the molecular scale with the use of ''cold'' nuclear devices. This is linked to Hurricane Erin on 9/11 and the Israeli nationals in the (((Urban Moving Systems))) trucks full of radio equipment and even found abandoned on a bridge.

>>18202253
Not exactly. It's more like getting 2700 masons, jews and sellouts with meme Ph.Ds in STEM signing a waiver letting Steven Jones shill in the name of the whole skeptic movement about 9/11 in the scientific community. It's one big ad lab coat. Steven Jones was important in the dismissal of the findings on low energy nuclear reaction by Fleischmann and Pons in the 80s.

To me the Shanksville (((plane))) is a clever distraction because what they had planned originally for tower 7 fucked up. It probably was supposed to fall with the other towers early in the day, not at 5pm.

The towers were planned from day 1 to be destroyed on that exact date. From 1968 to 2001, the towers standed 33 years.

>>18204816
>Cold nuclear devices
Why not just say magic at this point?

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>>18204824
Because Tesla

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>>18204824
And this

>>18204837
Oh, you mean like his death ray and his phone to the dead and all those other supposed Tesla inventions which have the capacity to change the world.

The ones that "they" control and won't use despite the fucking insane amount of money they could make.

Yeah. Makes a lot of sense.

Really.

It does.

I don't think you're insane at all.

Please don't bother replying, it will just be more gibberish.

>>18204841
You know this has been explained a billion times right?

Everyone from PhDs to random blacksmiths have shown the flawed reasoning at work here.

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>>18204845
>Shilling this badly

>>18204848
Well at least you aren't serious.

itt peeps who refuse to take their meds

>>18204841
Wow, a bent girder. Sure would expect that in a building collapse.

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>>18204845
Like his autopilot patent.

http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1475551610410.webm

>>18201892

Conspiracy theories can fit in both boards. For /x/ it needs to be either Illuminati (criptids) or cults (Pagan), for /pol/ just political figures.

One does not negates the other

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>>18201804
>gets hit by WTC1
>severe structural damage
>on fire all day

you'd collapse too if that happened to you.

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>>18205366
Steel structure highrises dont give a shit about fire. Do you really think they'd use the steels they do if office fires weakened them to total failure?

Also,
>severe damage
Ya right
Stresses redistribute if columns go missing.

>>18205843
You think they design buildings to be on fire and get hit by debris?

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>>18205850
Yes, yes they do. Ever heard of fireproofing, water sprinklers, expansion joints, etc.
Why do you think engineers make redundant designs in structures?
Civil engineering is serious business. The level of safety in NA norms is very high.

>>18201884
Fuck off retard. Conspiracy threads are /x/ material. Go back to /r/paranormal.

>>18201804
this just proves 911 was a far more complicated attack than the news made us think

prolly involving suicide bombers, time bombs and whatnot

maybe the CIA and the govt were too embarassed to admit this and decided to cover it up

>>18206091
i've seen zero hard evidence of any arab hijackers being a part of the attack. you think they would have security footage from logan or newark, but no.

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I'm not diggin the nuke junk, but the victim's families at least deserve a real independent investigation add to what brought WTC7 down. 8 stories didn't simultaneously disappear due to office fires. NIST refuses to give up their computer model because it "might jeopardise public safety". Pentagon refuses to give up 85 video recordings that day. 0ver 9000 liezz. Snowden, Assange, and even Anonymous can't get that inf0.

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Linear shape charge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cPhjWOdqUI

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>>18206091
OH.

OH OKAY. THE CIA JUST HAPPENED TO COVER IT UP. WELL THAT MAKES SENSE. WHAT A RELIEF.

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Shaped Charges
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5qipBVaM08

>>18206278
>>18206280

SHEEEEEEEEIT

BTFO

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History Channel, "Moder Marvels" Wrecking Ball Episode... can't find it again anywhere. Disappeared... like the 8 stories of 82 columns in WTC 7.

WTC Sounds of Explosions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A9X_8flGeM

>>18201813
I swear the music they used for this video is the ps2 startup music

World Trade Center - Firefighters Hear Explosions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAAveeeVVfM

9/11 Firefighters Reveal Bombs Destroyed WTC lobby
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1zED8dy63w

>>18206315
^^^
SEC floors 11-13
Bye bye investigations into Enron and the $2.3 Trillion that Rumsfeld said they couldn't account for.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVpSBUgbxBU

Cool, guys. Let me know when one of your amazing posts makes a difference! I'll just be over here in the real world for a bit.

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>>18206315
An office of the Army that had just re-occupied the Pentagon's recently renovated Wedge One, named Resource Services Washington, lost 34 of its 45 employees. Most were civilian accountants, bookkeepers and budget analysts. Bye bye unaccounted $2.3 trillion bookkeepers!

>>18206324
Give that man the blue pill!
Well played Cypher...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7BuQFUhsRM

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>>18206324
Why do JFK and 9/11 still matter? Because those behind it are still in power. Enjoy the perpetual and indefinite War of abstract Terrorism!

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>>18206288
Cutter charges to destroy columns doesn't work because the floors themselves would stack up and leave a significant pile of debris like pic.

Basically impossible to obtain free fall speed throughout with this technique too.

>>18201804
Has anybody showed a side by side comparison between a normal building collapse and a controlled demolition building collapse? I would like to see this video .

>>18206375
>>18206383
Oh sorry bros. What I said was "Let me know when one of your amazing posts makes a difference!" Sorry for the confusion. That still stands though. So ah, yeah. When one makes a difference, I'll be waiting.

>>18201958
>no dust and smoke
>posts evidence of dust and smoke

W-...what kind of roleplay is this?

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Are there still people believing the official story of the American government? Lol, how brainwashed can you get.

As for why it matters, as others have said, the people in charge of killing all these people and more in the middle east are still in power. And if they can get away with this, as they did, what makes you think they won't do it again?

The Toronto hearing in 2011 is evidence enough for anyone who is not a fucking retard.

>>18206446
One of these things is not like the others. One of these things doesn't belong...
https://youtu.be/Jn-5RSPmMP8

>>18201937
The NIST official report from the government funded 9/11 commission admits freefall speed. Something that scientifically works against there own argument that there was no controlled demolition.

To answer your question however it is recorded by watching the top section of the building and measuring it's acceleration and speed which is visible for most of the duration of the fall

Source: https://9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf

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>>18205366
>>18205366
>wtc7 cops a small chip off its edge on one side creating asymmetrical damage
>collapses symmetrically
>wtc6 is pic related
>holds its structure and does not collapse

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>heavily damaged

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>>18205889
>getting this defensive

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>tfw you realize a whole generation of millennials is getting onto the internet with no idea 9/11 was an inside job

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>>18201804
All tower 7 threads ignore this image.

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>>18201984
Thank you for this image.
>Saved to my "anti-foil" folder.

>>18201997
You know just enough to prove how retarded you are. Ever wonder why they only let you buy safety scissors at walmart? Ever wonder why no other adults need a baby sitter and a helmet when leaving the house? Of course you haven't because you are retarded.

>>18206902
"Small chip"
Do you realize how stupid you are? Check this out and remain willfully ignorant. : >>18208211

>>18201884
Back 2 reddit pleb

>>18202253
I'm sure a random teenager off 4chan knows more about it than grown adults with expertise in the field

>>18208234
Come on, you know that list is bull shit.

>>18208234
You're right. I'm sure that list of grown adults with expertise in the field should be trusted than a random teenager on 4chan. Is that list also to be trusted more the thousands of other adults with expertise in their fields, i.e. a significantly larger number of engineers, scientists, and mathematicians? Huh.

>>18208211
>>18208216

>Perimeter damage at the top of the building
>The part that supports nothing above it
>Bottom up symmetrical collapse at near free fall
Nope, doesnt't cut it, try harder.

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>>18206473
>>18208211
>>18208222
>>18208227
>>18208234

Are you implying invisible Godzilla stepped on it? This one's beyond my comprehension.

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>>18208216

Why is smoke coming from only one side?
Why is the smoke sharply spiraling after exiting?
Why is there so much smoke but no widespread flames like >>18206253 ?

The answer is that it is not conventional fire, but a directed energy weapon that destroyed it.

http://www.sbe47.org/download/tesla1.txt
High energy, low wavelenght Mechanical Vibration to disassociate materials relates to what technology was used.

Begs the question why Assange, Snowden or Anonymous doesn't start going after the real story. This is Scientology and Egypt rolled up into one big cover-up.

>>18209240
>Assange, Manning, Snowden
>Mainstream homosex whistleblowers given credit
>Not controlled opp.

Goyim pls

Did wikileaks actually change something? Has the NSA stopped spying illegally?

>>18208227
In comparison to his picture of the WTC6 building he makes a good point which you seem to have avoided

>>18209240
>implying that you are not anonymous

>>18206869
>the NIST official report admits freefall speed

No it doesn't.

>scientifically works
>freefall

Freefall would be scientifically impossible, with or without controlled demolition. You're literally arguing that wizards brought down building 7.

>>18208234
It seems unlikely, but there's pretty clear evidence that's the case.

>>18205366
Don't you think an image like this suggests that IF the building is going to collapse that it would favour the path of least resistance and fall in the direction where the support is lacking?

Look at the undamaged side. What caused the structure on that side to fail? Basic high school physics suggest that this building should of toppled sideways if a collapse was imminent.

Hell a game of Jenga should be enough for you to realize this just wouldn't happen

>>18204845
>The ones that "they" control and won't use despite the fucking insane amount of money they could make.

You're basically asking why game devs don't hack to win at their own games because of the insane high scores they could get.

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>>18210471
>No it doesn't

My apologies for copy pasting the wrong link.
Page 48 and it's final bullet point is picture related.
It admits the collapse reach free-fall acceleration for a 2.25s duration.

http://ws680.nist.gov/publication/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=861610

>>18210515
>a more detailed analysis

>>18210560

I guess more detail is required when scientific communities disprove the first analysis of your cover up

>>18210580
But the scientific community disproved that it fell at free fall. Learn to read.

>>18210471
If you indeed believe that free-fall speed is scientifically impossible than you too must disagree with the NIST reports.

You can't deny the existence of a statement that is so readily available to everyone

>>18210607

Learn to read what? Unlike my posts, yours lack any source or references

>>18210616
I'm reading it off of your source. It says it didn't fall at freefall.

>>18210624
And you're telling me to learn to read?

It says they acknowledged three things.
1. A slow descent at the start of it's collapse
2. A free fall speed during 2.25 seconds of the collapse
3. A decreasing acceleration as it reached the end of its collapse.

I agree that there is nothing scientific about the NIST report as it seems to avoid standard scientific procedures consistently through out its entire study but you can't deny that they at least acknowledged a moment of free-fall speed.

If you want a real scientific evaluation, by all means you may click the following

http://www.europhysicsnews.org/articles/epn/pdf/2016/04/epn2016474p21.pdf

You are more than welcome to try and tell me that EPN is not a reputable source if you like. That will at least inform me that you have very little to do with the physics community and that I should stop biting your bait

>>18201986
That's their way of saying "we spent $25 million on a 3D model that doesn't actually work because we had to use a team of only black female coders to be politically correct"

>>18202210
>Appeal to authority
Fuck your title, prove it mathematically

You're autistic.

T. Physicist.

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>>18214446
Damn that ad hom and that appeal to your degree in STEM-tism (probably a useless B.S.) sure shut him up. I hope your kike-fed understanding of quantic physics and special relativity allows you to contribute to humanity (it never will).

It's also with a lowercase t. , newfag.

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>>18214253
/pol/ pls

>>18216173
Prove me wrong, fgt.

>>18216128
>Autism

>>18216177
You have to prove yourself right first if you're the one making a claim.

>>18216177
I'm not saying your facts are wrong (though I don't think they're all bad things). I'm saying your racist bullshit belongs in your containment board.

>>18201941
>recommends people to study
>does not know weight does not influence fall speed

>>18216243
>facts are racist
>racism is wrong
>therefore, facts are wrong

I don't care unless ghosts did it

>>18201804
for the last time a huge chunk of flaming debris crippled the backside of it.

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>>18217006
kek is that your structural engineering analysis faggot?

AE911Truth.org

>>18202864
I don't, never have and never will. wink

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>>18217006
Alfred P. Murrah bldg... defying the laws of the deniers and their "official conspiracy theory".. that it came down due to "office fires".

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>>18217072
A&E is a plant to lead to the conclusion that thermite/explosives were used when this will never be proved nor investigated, because of the total lack of evidence supporting these claims.

Their thought process is:
>It visually looks like conventional controlled demolition.
>Therefore it is conventional demolition

It isn't.
It's a little more exotic than that.

>>18217332
It honestly astounds me that video evidence of what is very likely to be a thermitic reaction at the WTC is so publicly available, yet people will say things like

>total lack of evidence

What is better evidence then footage itself

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>>18217332
>>18217526

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>>18209219
bro you need to chill.

youtu.be/TJNzaMRsN00

>>18217536
I'm aware of the molten metal showed. Could be molten aluminum from the facade.

Ok, thermitic cutter charges have probably been used to create the plane shaped holes and maybe to initiate collapse. It is not what turned a huge part of the towers to microscopic dust which helped limit damage to surrounding buildings, although.

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>>18217630
Molten aluminium is silver.
NIST tried to argue that flaming debris mixed with molten aluminium is what is seen in the picture posted above. When researched attempted to replicate this phenomenon, they find that the debris would simply float and in some casses be engulfed by the aluminium, depriving the flame of oxygen and essentially putting it out.

As far as the building being turned to dust, I too am puzzled. I'm just very convinced that thermite played a huge part in dismantling the buildings outer and inner steel structures.

I guess until a real investigation is done (if that day ever comes) we can only theorize

>>18217642
If you look really good at the smoke of that pic, it looks like a skinny dude fucking a fat chick in doggystyle.

>>18217828
HAHA duuuuuuude

LOL, this fucking thread.

Tell me more about your expert opinions that you gleaned by watching fringe YouTube videos, you woke teenagers. Also, take this fucking garbage to /pol/ where it belongs.

>>18217828
Confirmed.

>>18217886

Das ma goy

>>18217828
Confirmed.
>Cannot unsee

>>18202202
Larry Silversteins Insurance Policy

>>18201813
>WTC 7 Falls in under 7 seconds. The rate of free fall for the 47 story building is 6.8 seconds.
Wow, it's almost like 6.8 seconds is under 7 seconds.

If only science could figure this out!

>>18202031
What? It fell straight down and the debris spread out from its footprint. That pic demonstrates he does

>>18202210
I haven't seen the rest of your previous conversation, but Appeal to Authority isn't a fucking argument.

>>18209012
I guess steel beams can melt my heart.

>>18210680
(top of "damaged structure" < bottom) mass ->
years later, "official admittance" of free-fall speed =/= compliance with "3rd law of energy"

i have a BS in civil engineering and a MS in structural, y'all are retarded and need to go back to fucking school if you believe this shit.

>>18205850
Of course they do you fucking idiot. Imagine how fucked NYC would be if they don't.

>>18226312
Oh look it's the "go back to school and conform you retards" argument.

Disregarded

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>>18201804
>lol the jews did it!
>i'm doing le science!!1

Fuck off back to /pol/ redneck garbage.

>>18210676
Fuck off to your containment board you fucking bigot

>>>/pol/

>>18226687
Oh look is the "skool don't teech you anyting" argument.

You belong in a concentration camp.

>>18226801
>>18226811

Glad you guys could make it in time to make sure /x/ remains the safe zone it ought to be.

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>>18226818
Instead of flashing your credentials why don't you tell us how they help you explain free fall collapse from office fires? You sound like the guy to listen to.

While you're at it, take a look at this
https://youtu.be/lKYW89xEYg0

Care to explain from where is coming the energy that turns big parts of the building to dust before it even hits the ground?

Or will you do like NIST and stop caring of what's happening once collapse is initiated?

Also, school doesn't teach you nothing. It teaches you a doctrine, not the truth or how to think properly, though.

>>18226902
>can you tell me where the energy comes from that turns parts of the building to dust before it hits the ground

I suspect the upper stories falling on lower stories provides a lot of energy and contributes to that.

>Stop caring after the collapse is initiated

You mean the secret invisible demolition UFO's launched their mini-nukes after the building already started to collapse?

Wouldn't that be sort of redundant?

>>18205874
>fireproofing, water sprinklers, etc.

Anon, that's all evidence that they design buildings to be NOT on fire.

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>>18226912
Free fall implies that no energy from the upper falling stories is transferred to the lower ones, or this would slow down the collapse. Any support remaining from the still intact structure below negates the observed acceleration of the debris above.

Seismic data from both collapses show that a fraction of the mass of the building hit the ground, the rest being airborne dust. Are you familiar with the scale of particles in said dust? A couple microns.
I'd like you to explain how materials smashing together or conventional explosives are able to create such fine particles.

>>18226942
>It'd like you to explain how materials smashing together are able to create such fine particles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZkr0A9633Q

I'd like to know why you think it wouldn't. Concrete structures collapsing creates dust. Go figure.

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>>18227044
>Twin towers
>Concrete structues

You don't know shit about 9/11, don't you?

Your video of the kingdome doesn't show the pile of debris that remains after demolition, which matches the 10% of the original height expected by science. Where are the 11 stories of pancacked debris at ground zero?

Also, crushed to rubble =/= crushed to molecular sized dust. Do you know how small a micron is, even for airborne particles?

>>18227424

>You don't know anything abotu 9-11 do you?

Well, I know that the twin towers were made out of steel-reinforced concrete, which perfectly explains all the dust.

I don't know what the WTC was made out of in the imaginary world you've created and are unable to distinguish from reality.

>Do you know how small a micron is

Yes, it's one thousandth of a millimeter.

Dust particles a couple of microns wide is perfectly normal for dust. You really didn't think it was abnormal, did you?

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>>18227459
The tower's inner and outer structure holding the vertical load were ALL steel. Concrete was only used for floor slabs, 4in. thick, above metallic trusses.

Such mass of steel would act as a huge heat sink if any fire were to happen, dissipating heat very effectively in the structure.

30 micron is the size for airborne dust. 10 micron particles are dubbed fine dust. We are talking of 1-3 microns for WTC dust which is much finer than your average crushed gypsum and concrete. Are you telling me office furnitures and girders turn to dust this size by colliding together for 10 seconds? Sure. Analysis of the content of the dust shows that everything, from steel to concrete to organic materials (from humans) is present. Do you understand that everything contained in the building including the core structure was largely dustified? Thorough analysis of slowmo footage of the collapse shows big slabs of perimeter columns, dubbed wheatchexes, vanishing mid air. The lack of significant damage outside the WTC complex, the lack of a debris pile and the fact people survived in stairwell B all makes sense with said dustification.

You may also get your facts straight instead of saying I'm in an imaginary world.

Believing the official story is one thing. Everybody told you it was Bin Laden. Must have been him.

Looking at the "investigations" and then agreeing to the official story is another.

>>18227808
>Concrete was used for the floors.

Yes. So thousands of tons of concrete. That's a lot of energy.

>30 micron dust is airborne dust
>10 fine dust
>1-3 is magic pixie dust

No, anon. Dust doesn't come in one size. Some dust is 30 microns. Some dust is 100 microns. Some dust is 0.1 microns. Even wooden saw dust is routinely smaller than 3 microns. Talcum powder even smaller. OSHA doesn't even worry about dust until it gets down to 2.5 microns, and then you have to start wearing dust masks. There's literally nothing special about the STC dust.

>everything contained in the building was dustified

Except for all the steel beams, and other non-concrete and drywall shit.

>slo mo footage shows magic invisibile disappearing steel

Sure it does. Right behind the bigfoot.

I've watched a lot of speculative docs on this shit, not that I believe most of it. I love to entertain theories though.

Only thing that's ever stuck out to me is that the rich white goi who owned the building took out a convenient insurance policy before the incident and made stacks of cash on its destruction and that WT7 held some pretty important shit inside it linked to the Bush Admin.

Just as the two towers are getting rekt, WT7 just you know looks around cautiously, before giving the world a cheeky wink before collapsing sometime after, conveniently.

>>18228183
>rich white goi
Larry Silverstein is a jew, tard.

>>18228657
>He didn't check if g was close to b on the keyboard so he called him a retard while stating the obvious.

>>18228849
>jews
>white
tard

/x/ noob here,lets stop before the physics proof and look at social proofs, if there was explosives in any of the buildings, would they be obliterated beyond finding any macroscopic trace, wasnt there ordinary people helping dredge through the rubble?

>>18228183
>Rich white goi
he was a jew tho

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>>18228881
>larry silverstein
>not white

Sure he's a jew but not white? You sound like the mentally challenged here.

I know you're used to your white skin being much lighter from never leaving your basement, but some people go outside too.

If it gets you pissed he's called the same skin color as you, call him an ashkenazi.

>>18229667
White is a generic term used for native Europeans, only. Not bleached hominids.

>>18201984
Here's how these people work:
>anyone who listens to things their told is a moron.
>listens to conspiracy theories with out much scrutiny
>anyone who doesn't think for themselves is a moron.
>thinking for yourself means agreeing with me.

>>18229549
>would they be obliterated beyond finding any macroscopic trace
>macroscopic

Well you wouldn't find large chunks of macroscopic pieces of unexploded explosives lying around. But there would be traces of explosives, chemically, all over everything. All over lower Manhattan, over the victims, over neighborhing buildings, etc. It would have been absurd to secure it all in some sort of conspiracy. Also you'd see the explosions detonating in all the videos.

Futhermore, in controlled detonations, it takes weeks of demolition experts laying the charges and wiring it all, so I think somebody in the WTC probably would have noticed that shit.

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Carlyle_Group

>>18229731
>I think somebody in the WTC probably would have noticed that shit.
http://aneta.org/911experiments_com/AceElevator/

truthbump

>>18229753
So... nobody noticed people planting demolition explosives. Then we're agreed.

what about wtc 6? apparently it either exploded or suffered from some sort of catastrophic failure just as the second tower began to fall that resulted in a large cavernous void in the center of the building from the basement to the roof. just found out about it a couple of days ago which kinda spooked me out since I'm from NYC and always followed the conspiracy theories after 9/11 happened. the photos make it look like a massive bomb went off...

>>18201965
Watched that as well. It's like Loose Change but with mathematics.

>>18230338
>it suffered a mysterious catastrophic failure when the second tower fell

Yes. Very mysteriously a building fell on top of it. Go figure.

can somebody who knows about these things post a little more about the idea of small nukes or directed energy weapons being used on 9/11? So far in this thread there have been cryptic allusions made to such technology, but I'd appreciate knowing more about the WTC getting vaporized by lasers. Were they shot from space?

>>18231007
There's no such technology. People can't just accept what they can see on video with their own two eyes. They might as well be claiming wizards and pixie wants.

>>18231007
There was a video-dont remember title ...
Some engineer (related field can't remember exact) woman was going on about something . Some weapon of sorts and parked vehicles within area( but not building debris) were destroyed ..
Was sometime last year or two ago. Perhaps a more dedicated anon can point us to it again? My interest in such things is "we're fucked- do your best, hope for the best, expect the Spanish inquisition, etc"

>18231196
>as in vehicles destroyed but nowhere near building debris
>not a result of the collapses

>>18231007
ever wonder why the call it ground zero?

>>18231196
Link very related. I searched vehicles destroyed not near debris because Op is faggot and anon needs spoonfeed.
The video has to be in here somewhere. .. now only to find

>>18231366
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/StarWarsBeam5.html


And here's the link because I suck cock.

>>18231224
Uh, no.

The WTC site is the center of the destruction. The destruction radiates outward many blocks from the center. The "zero" in ground zero denotes the distance from the center. It's used in anything with destruction that radiates outward from a single point, including earthquakes and disease epidemics.

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>>18231007
>>18231196
>>18231366
You're talking about Dr. Judy Wood's research. She has a PhD in Mech. Engineering. She published a book in 2010, pic related, that is a very thorough analysis based on evidence only. It goes deep into the seismic effect of the collapses, the strange variation of earth's magnetic field on 9/11, the very strange debris and damage at ground zero and plenty more. Lots of lecture and interview from her on youtube. One of the rare to stand for direct energy weapons used on 9/11, but it's the most compelling and complete theory to explain lots of anomalies.

Why did the jumpers undress while hanging with one hand before jumping? It was never seen before in a high rise fire.

Because being inside was like inside a microwave. Your clothes wet from the sprinklers are cooking on you.

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never has a steel skyscraper had a total collapse due to a missile.

The prudential building in Warsaw Poland during WW2 was hit by literally hundreds of artillery shells one of which was a 2-tonne mortar artillery shell. These are weapons designed for as much destruction as possible. Airplanes are designed for transportation.

You need to realise that when this event is taught in the history classes of the future it's going to be taught as a great lie and children are going to question who could of actually believed the official story.

Steel is not Lego. Isolated damage does not shatter en entire buildings core structure.

Picture related: it's the whopping the Prudential building copped. It literally still stands today

>>18229682
White is a color, you douche. His skin is white. He's a white guy.

>>18231745
>very thorough analysis based on evidence
>direct energy weapons

Pick only one

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>>18232716
Did you know there was a hurricane a couple miles in the ocean on 9/11? That it sharply diverted on that day?

Did you know israeli (((art students))) were found around the WTC in vans full of electronic equipment ? Look up Urban Moving Systems.

Did you know satellite data showed a thermal hot spot over ground zero months later, at almost 1000f, while it clearly wasn't hot there? Another argument in support of some exotic tech leaving an energetic signature.

Wanna talk about the cylindrical holes in windows of surrounding buildings and through WTC 5-6?

Wanna talk about the 100s of toasted cars as far as a mile away (under FDR drive), completly rusted and with melted engine blocks but the safety belts and fabric seats remaining intact?

Wanna talk of the undamaged bathtub?

Wanna talk about how they found one single filing cabinet in the whole debris?

Wanna talk about the rusted, thinned and apparently dissolved parts of the metal structure?

Wanna talk about tritium levels at ground zero?

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>>18232871

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>>18232911
911 get

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>>18232916
*Cars under fdr were about 1/2 miles away

Pic is round holes

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>>18232911
Dubs confirm with a special 9/11 get

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>>18232922
Hurricane erin with wtc plumes on 9/11

"Hurricane Erin was the longest-lived hurricane in the 2001 Atlantic hurricane season. The sixth tropical depression, fifth tropical storm, and first hurricane, Erin developed from a tropical wave on September 1"

Haarp might have something to do with Erin.

Its raining dubs

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>>18232933

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>>18232954
My type of lady

>filed lawsuits against nist and military industrial complex for science fraud

>>18232933
WHAT THE FUCK!

>>18232965
>blacklisted by wikipedia
>repeatedly through out of court

lol

>>18201804
testing testing.. 1... 2...

>>18232989
>through

Hahahahaha illiterate

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>>18232866
>a hurricane

A hurricane? During hurricane season? Who could have guessed? The weather in New York was beautiful, as anybody who watches the videos can attest.

>a couple miles

Many hundreds of miles

>Israelis in New York

Oh wow, were their Puerto Ricans and Italians too? What about negroes?

>A thermal hot spot over ground zero

Gee whiz, maybe that has something to do with the underground fires that continued to burn for weeks?

>melted engine block but fabric seats untouched under FDR drive

The cars under the FDR drive were caught on fire under the WTC collapse. They were brought there for temporary storage so emergency vehicles could get better access to the site. They were not under the FDR drive when they caught fire. There is nothing unusual about the way they burned, they look exactly like any other car fire.

>windows with holes

You mean pic related? Because that's what happens when debris flies through windows

>undamaged bathtub

You mean THE bathtub? The hole where the the WTC's foundation was built? The one filled with flaming wreckage? Where all the plumbing and electrical connections and subway stations and everything else was destroyed? What do you mean undamaged? Because it was still a hole?

>they found a filing cabinet

How many do you expect to find? Most of them would have been destroyed, don't you think?

>rust, on metal, that's been exposed to air, on fire, and put out with fire hoses

Wow, that's almost as suspicious as hurricanes during hurricane season

>tritium

Literally exit signs. Nowhere near enough to have been a nuclear device.

>>18232965
>whereditdthetowersgo
>whe redidt
>we reddit

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>>18233049

I will reply each point individually because I got a couple images for support.

>Many hundreds of miles

The important idea here is if NYC was close enough from the hurricane for its magnetic field to still have a strong presence. That's the case.

Pic is the hurricane seen in the distance.

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>>18233099

>Israelis in New York

Whether we are talking about the jews in the gelatin B-thing art project on the 91st floor, those filming the towers and cheering, or those inside the Urban Moving Systems truck, they are all clearly Mossad agents.

>>18233099
>Hurricane Erin

That's not a hurricane. That's haze.

Here's the hurricane here.

>>18232933

Note it's well past long island and cape code. It's hundreds of miles away, below the horizon. Unless of course you think the earth is flat. Given you're a 9-11 truther, that really wouldn't surprise me.

>magnetic field

lol, no. That's not how either cities or hurricanes work.

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>>18233117

>maybe that has something to do with the underground fires that continued to burn for weeks?

What fires? I showed in pic here >>18232866
that it clearly is not 900f where the data says it is.

Also i'm doubtful of what is said about molten metal underground and such.

It's more about the glowing red metal that doesn't ignite paper right beside and the strange lather emitted by the debris.

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>>18233130

>Cars under FDR were brought there for temporary storage

Source? Pretty sure eyewitnesses said some burned there. Same with the car park north west of the towers.

>There is nothing unusual about the way they burned, they look exactly like any other car fire.

Get glasses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLnZkZ16jOo

Cars halfway burnt, with a sudden line and no damage on the other side.

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>>18233143

>What do you mean undamaged? Because it was still a hole?

More like 100% undamaged. This is after cleanup.

>>18233153
>after clean-up

well there you go. Look at how the pipes are all plugged and nicely cut-up.

>cars are only half-burned

Which is not uncommon in car fires. Engine compartment burns, or the fuel tank burns, fire goes out. Sometimes it spreads to another compartment, sometimes it doesn't.

>>18233130
>what fires

the fires that burned in the "undamaged bathtub." No you can't see the flames in photographs, just the smoke

>at 900 ft.

Hot air rises, dipshit.

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>>18233153

> Most of them would have been destroyed

If i threw a cabinet from a top of a building or inside a building collapsing i'd expect it to be damaged, but still in one or a couple large pieces. Not expecting thousands of cabinets to disappear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh18dip7Z5M

>rust, on metal, that's been exposed to air, on fire, and put out with fire hoses

pic related. More than just rust.

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>>18233166

>Literally exit signs. Nowhere near enough to have been a nuclear device.

I'm not claiming conventional nuclear devices.

Tritium too low for a nuke, but just right for low energy nuclear reaction.

>>18233166
>Threw it off the top of a building

If you did that you'd end up with a very fucked up file cabinet

>inside a collapsing building

With thousands of tons of concrete and steel and fire and human bodies? Then you'd end up with a flattened piece of scrap metal that clean up crews wouldn't bother to categorize.

>>18233172
>for a low energy nuclear reaction

Of the kind you'd find in exit signs.

>>18233161
>at 900f

Fahrenheit, dipshit

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>>18232126
>tfw you will never be white
t. Shlomo

>>18233191
How hot do you think fire burns?

>>18233118

>magnetic field
>That's not how either cities or hurricanes work

Pretty sure hurricanes produce a pretty strong magnetic field.

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>>18233200

>>18233175

>Then you'd end up with a flattened piece of scrap metal

True, but I'm pretty sure they treated ground zero as a crime scene and categorized everything they found in search of explosive devices, plane parts, etc.

Not a single serial number from a part of the plane was found. Basically every part of an airplane has one.

>>18233223
The cleanup and investigation was hasty. They immediately shipped all the steel off to China.

>>18210642
>That will at least inform me that you have very little to do with the physics community

fucking hysterical!

>>18231745
>back to reality
>oh, there goes gravity
I've always felt this didn't get enough attention.
Bump and fuk the hate.

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I'll even raise you a pic.

Pfffft even poo in loo school children know what happened on 9/11.

https://youtu.be/LXH6PAXMLEY

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>>18234090

>>18231745
>being inside was like a microwave

It was literally more like a barbecue. Cause that shit was on fire, yo.

>>18234125
If theres a fire you WANT wet clothes on you. People were undressing.

>>18234090
Lol I've seen this meme before. I'll have to look it up

>>18234145
but the fire would dry the clothes and make them normal clothes again which would then catch on fire?

>>18206473
If they don't make a difference, then why worry about them? :^)

>>18234145
People were falling at 130 mph. Regular clothes come off.

also

>Wet clothes

Fire suppression system was destroyed by the crash, retard.

>>18216194
>Shilling

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>>18216270
That's not how fucking gravity works, dipshit. Acceleration due to gravity is ~9.81 m/s^2 on Earth. This is a constant. It does not change with weight, dumbass.

>>18229667
He's stil la jew

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Two 400 meters high towers were standing there...

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Imagine being Milton William Cooper.

World class researcher, radio host, legend.

And you get this new info, about a false flag attack that will be blamed on Osama Bin Laden, an almost unknow anti-soviet rebel from Afghanistan.

A lesser man would have dismiss it, but not Bill Cooper, he went on the air and told everybody, and throw some biblical references, cause that's his thing.

For everyone with a working set of ears, and an open mind.

That's the smoking gun, he knew before the atttack happened.

So after the attack, he was on his ranch, holding his gun.

Because he knew that the pale horse was coming, and he'll try to bury the truth with him.

Just a legend now, even if it's the true.

Well, in 1997 Bill Clinton constructed the freemason observatory in Tower Seven in order to explore the galaxy and prepare the NWO's space armada for the Great Collapse. At the same time his wife Hillary was constructing the Cancer Satellite network in low earth orbit in preparation for the Great Purge, scheduled for November 10th 2016. Now, when Billy-Boy Trotter left, he planned to hand control of the observatory over to Al 'The Shadow Man' Gore, but that went awry due to one Ralph Nader. Billy had to destroy the evidence. They couldn't know. So he and his top planners came up with a master plan to destroy, in a single stroke, the Observatory and everyone who knew about it.

September 11th 2001. 200,000 tonnes of Torpex are loaded into the twin towers. In Brussels, the EU pyramid began to warm up its hologram. The plan was simple: A '''terrorist attack'''' would take place in New York. But no-one wants to destroy Tower Seven, right? Exactly. But just next door, there are two great big towers. A Terrorist's dream. It was perfect.

And so, the holograms of three boeing 757s were projected into the skies of new york. Two of them 'hit' the Twin Towers, as Hillary Clinton herself pressed the detonator switch for the explosive. Meanwhile, the third hologram 'hit' the pentagon. In reality, a suitcase bomb had been planted in the broom cupboard below the Freemason Satellite & Cancer Satellite dept. All 600,000 employees were killed.

Snake Willy had drawn first blood.

>>18206428
that's like what 6 stories?
Not to rain on your parade something is defo fishy about 9/11 but I'd personally still expect a pile of rubble of a pancake collapse on a building as tall as the WTC

>>18235813
bill cooper's the man when it comes to truth. can you imagine if he was still around today?

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>>18236167

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>>18236374

Exactly, we'd expect quite a mound of rubble where the towers fell, but instead this is what was left >>18235733. Debris, mostly dust, was sent out of the footprint like a banana getting peeled. Most of it didn't even hit the ground.

Whether with or without the ability to tell each story apart due to the height, the pancaked pile should still be there. It wasn't. Rule of thumb for controlled demolition is 10% of original height remaining as rubble. Where is the 11 story tall pile of junk at ground zero?

>>18236449
the fucking steel was smoking as it fell through the air for all 1,100 ft and landed in a pile that burned FOR MONTHS. lol. wtf?

Fuck 9/11 everyone knows that America did it and fuck America nobody cares anymore this country is a long lost cause.

>>18234076
omg mai waifu from Presence.

Spotted the fellow oldfag.

You made y night. Time to fire up the old Robot Carnival Laser Disc.

>>18235813
Behold a Pale White Horse.

Legend.

>>18225820
fuck off. the idiot shill he was replying to tried and failed to use appeal to authority.

>>18201813
Thats a huge generalization

Depending on construction and materials used (which varies greatly) the time will also vary a fuckton. Its plausible that WTC7 fell in less than 7 seconds.

Now I don't know the full story but its more than likely large pieces of debris (any large portions falling from the upper levels of the WTC towers would easily weigh and be fast enough to significantly weaken the building) along with an office fire (lots of tinder) you can easily weaken a structure to the point where it collapses.

Does seem unlikely though as there is no way in hell someone could have pulled off a controlled demolition (which on a building the size of the WTC's would take LITERALLY months) without a fucking huge number of people noticing. Like it would be very obvious I cannot possibly imagine a stealthy CD.

>>18239132
if a high rise folds neatly into itself from fires, why don't demolition companies just use that method instead of the gigantic production they normally do?

>>18209026
Marines are not known for being intelligent.

>>18201804
why is it always the fucking retards who can't understand basic physics who use physics as an argument
fucking die

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>>18239175
But they didn't "fold neatly into themselves", dumbass.

>>18226811
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>>18239510
WTC 7 actually did. watch a vid of its collapse or something

>>18206324
Seriously, why do this?
What do you achieve?
Your composure and frustration scream text book cover up shill and you have to know it. And all said your not as plainly autistic as this board's inhabitants are.

Whoever is writing your checks, do they know how much you suck at this?

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>>18241588
No, it actually did not, it did a lot of damage to surrounding buildings. Read the fucking thread or something.

>>18236167
I quite like your writing style. I gave you the Oliver which was a byword for moar. Pls continue your story

>>18231793

This is some convincing shit right here

>>18244862
I guess if you ignore artillery shells and jetliners are two completely different things. Not to mention the construction of the buildings.

>>18244875
Yeah, the poster clearly points out how only one of those things are meant for destruction.

And they are different buildings, the prudential was built in in 1934 according to Wikipedia making it significantly older than the two towers. It was also hit by thousands of shells, not hundreds. But why pick on only the prudential when just like he said

>never has a steel skyscraper had a total collapse due to a missile

Why is 1 plane able to more damage than thousands of artillery shells?

Steel and concrete buildings are different than steel and glass

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>>18231793

>one of which was a 2-tonne mortar artillery shell
>24 in shell weighing that moves at 720 ft/s

>767's weigh 197.5 tons
>the planes that struck TWC were moving at 590mph or 865 ft/s

>>18245182
>590mph

idk, they didn't look that fast in the footage

>>18245182
>767's weigh 197.5 tons
>the planes that struck TWC were moving at 590mph or 865 ft/s

Literally outside the limits of what a 767 can handle at that altitude

>>18245189
Footage does show said speed. Thing is, at such low altitude, the plane is simply unable to maintain that speed.

>>18245240
The point still stands that roughly 198 tons is going to do a hell of a lot more damage than a two ton shell that is a fraction of the size. Saying that shells are designed for war, and trying to infer that means planes can't do massive damage when smashing into things is retarded.

Also, if we go for normal cruise speed of a 767, which is roughly 533mph, we're still clocking in at around 760 ft/s, still faster than the mortar shells.

>>18245269
the video does show speed, you have two objects as reference
if the video didn't show speed, it would be called a photograph

>>18245278
>198 tons is going to do a hell of a lot more damage than a two ton shell that is a fraction of the size

I agree but you are re-wording my claims. I said 1 plane should not be able to do more damage then THOUSANDS of artillery shells as was the case with the prudential. You are reading my posts and telling me they are written to say something they do not. That's not how a debate works

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>>18245269

I know a plane that can handle those conditions and its the top image in pic related.

The bottom image is the second plane that hit the towers

>>18245327
shells explode on impact though, the plane is a just a fatass piece of aluminum and steel that dived right into the tower

>>18245327

>I said 1 plane should not be able to do more damage then THOUSANDS of artillery shells as was the case with the prudential.

The Prudential in Warsaw was shelled approx. 1,000 times over the span of how many months? The Uprising in Warsaw lasted two months. The majority of those shells were light-weight rounds. The image from your original post is that of a siege mortar shell, which is light-concrete piercing, and is the "two-tonne" shell you speak of. That is the lightest shell used, and it was hit once by one.

TWC were struck by 197 tons of metal instantly and had an incredibly massive size compared to those shells. They bore through high grade and light-weight steel and glass because the materials for TWC were designed solely to withstand wind. Then add in the tens of thousands of gallons fuel, the age and inadequate fire safety in the building, and tresses that cannot sustain the heat and weight being forced on them, and you'll get a collapse instantly.

Am I saying the Prudential was built for shelling? No, she was built out of concrete, brick, and steel, and by the end of WWII she was nothing but a metal frame that was bent sideways. But she was hit over a long extended period of time, and most of the rounds hitting her were smaller than the most notable one mentioned.

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>>18245358
there is next to no steel involved in a 767s design. It needs to be as light as possible which is why aluminium is the metal of choice. This is also why it can't fly at those speeds that close to the ground as the structure simple would not be able to hold itself together.

The WTC exterior was protected by steel which was somehow ripped open from wing to wing due to the impact. Yet pic related is what happens when a 767s wing meets a soft fleshy bird mid flight

KITE
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MUST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhWqfPeerbo&index=1&list=LL9kl-bBykY33uXLmjRSQZQg

I'm not even gonna finish reading the thread.. Most of you have a clue but you need to look at the installation of the special insulation done a year and a half before the event. Look at who installed it. That building was full of something someone wanted erased.

>>18245382

So a building reduced to nothing but its metal frame due to an extended assault from multiple angles is less likely to collapse than a building that receives one big hit of isolated damage?

How do you come to this logic?

I still believe the collective damage of thousands of artillery shells is going to be greater than one plane.
Not to mention the complete disregard for the laws of physics required, in order to believe the symetrical collapse occurred without disengaging the support of the towers central column on many different floors

>>18245382
>were designed solely to withstand wind.
no, it was designed with aircraft collision in mind

>>18245392
>there is next to no steel involved in a 767s design
it's like 10% steel

fuck you people

>>18245446
hmm, I know the building was full of asbestos, but I can't find any information about a special insulation done a year and a half prior to the event...

Total and utter bullshit. Building 7 had been burning for hours upon hours before it went down. The inside had already burned down which weakened the outer layer of the building. That's why the building was able to fall down so quickly. This has been explained by tons of engineers over the past few years. Too bad you fuckin' neckbeards are still too fuckin' retarded to educate yourselves about something as simple as this.

>>18245500
Well, you do realize that only 3 highrises collapses from being on fire in the history of mankind ?
All 3 of them happened to fall down on september 11 2001

What's your thoughts on that?
Kinda like winning the lottery 3 weeks in a row isn't it ?

>>18245500
>This has been explained by tons of engineers
Yet you couldn't provide one single source

>>18245462
That's why I said next to no steel. Steel certainly has nothing to do with its structure. It exists in the engine's fan interestingly enough..... near to where the jet fuel burns

>>18245565
>10% = 0%
>implying steel isn't used in the frame

I'm hiding this thread now... [-]

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>>18245575
Its practically the same as the 787. It isnt used in the frame, it really only exists in the landing gears and parts of the engine.

Hiding a thread does not change publicly available info

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aeromagazine/articles/qtr_4_06/article_04_2.html

>>18245453
>So a building reduced to nothing but its metal frame due to an extended assault from multiple angles is less likely to collapse than a building that receives one big hit of isolated damage?
>How do you come to this logic?

No, never said it was less likely. WWI and WWII kind of show that extended shellings level cities, and we've seen the aftermaths of said events. We've also seen the effects of what planes smashing into buildings can do. A B-25 (a third the size of a 767) did a good chunk of damage to the Empire State Building, and embedded itself into the building. It didn't compromise the structural integrity of the Empire State Building like the 767s did to TWC.

As >>18245462 said, TWC were designed with the ESB incident in mind, but that was for the planes at the time, not a 767 which came out after they were built. Plus again, the kinetic impact did more damage than the shells did. I compromised the steel that was designed to aid in preventing damage, the resulting impact destroyed the fire retardant that was in place, and the fire from the fuel and the weight from the planes caused the structure to buckle. They were a building marvel for being that tall and withstanding the pressures put on it at the time built.

When an artillery shell fires, and strikes the building, it either explodes or is a dud and goes clean through. There are accounts of shells during the Warsaw Uprising being duds and just punching holes through buildings. If there were fires within the Prudential, there's a good chance she would've collapsed during the shellings, just look at examples like Dresden where there were firebombings, designed to level buildings.

>>18245599
So in the event that the impact into the WTC towers completely severed the core columns of the building, how is it the core columns broke apart at all the lower levels during the collapse?
A dense grid network of steel designed to withstand three times the weight of the towers and acts as the buildings skeleton just disappeared completely.

That is just not how a building collapse from isolated damage works. The buildings would of never been of approved for construction if its core was that flimsy.

>>18245545
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/design/a3524/4278874/ Simple article about the actual report, sources are linked.

>>18245517
Not true.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/hereford/worcs/6105942.stm

>>18245653
Did you forget the part where 198 tons of metal slammed into a structure and put pressure on the core columns? The 767s didn't just go completely through the buildings, it was entangled in the metal frame of the towers.

>>18245760
Did you read the part where he said the core could withstand three times the weight of the building?

>>18245736
I appreciate it, all articles are welcome. May I offer you a glimpse of my perspective also?

http://www.europhysicsnews.org/articles/epn/pdf/2016/04/epn2016474p21.pdf

>>18245751
That is a single story factory. Not a high-rise, it also says nothing about whether it was a steel structure or not which is what the statistic states. No steel skyscrapers have ever had a total collapse due to fire... bar 9/11

>>18245760
The weight of a 767 would of put an ignorable amount of pressure on that buildings core structure. Upon completing the construction of the WTC two or three cranes would of still been on top of the buildings awaiting to be dismantled. Skyscrapers are not made of sticks

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>>18245889
Have you read that the highest level sections of the core column was less than a 1/4th of an inch? The base was nearing four inches thick in the sub basement. Also, in his original post, he failed to mention that the core columns were designed to work hand in hand with the outer skeletal work in bearing lateral loads. I repeat, lateral loads. Once the heat removed the tensile strength of the metal structure, and it caved in on itself, no amount of lateral strength would help a vertical collapse.

>>18245906
I'm not sure if you've been reading along, but my point of contention is that 198 tons of metal slammed into towers at 533mph roughly, blasting away the fire retardant and the fuel burning compromised the structural integrity of the top floors of the towers, causing them to collapse. On top of that, the core column that was destroyed or weakened because of the intense heat and impact would add on top of the sheer weight of the aircraft when she did let go finally.

>>18245943
By your own logic that means one side would of been weaker than the other creating a weakness in the support which would of resulted in the tower favouring a side to collapse into. Core and outer support were only weakened at one location of the building.
If there were no explosives than the support below this impact zone was not weakened and should of been able to withstand the weight it had been withstanding for decades previous to the attacks.

Your explanation suggests the top section should of fallen away from the rest of the building, It does not explain how support systems from below the impact zone were completely mangled

>>18245943
>the highest level sections of the core column was less than a 1/4th of an inch?

Wait what!?
Do you seriously just try to claim that the top of the buildings core was 635mm in width

>>18226919
It's just showing they take fires into consideration during construction they think about fire when designing the structure and the insides of buildings someone said that's the last thing they think about when constructing a building

>>18226919
Or that it's not taken into consideration at all

>>18245269
And it was still hit by thousands of mortor shells unlike the wtc hit by a single plane

>>18245278
The building was hit by thousands of mortar shells not just 1 plane thatwoulfnt have quite as much impact as a shall remember planes aren't built for destruction the lining of planes isn't crazy thick it is thick enough for safety inside the plane but if the plane hit something I would pretty much crumble like a tin can as opposed to a mortar shell hitting and then exploding

>>18245575
So salty

What happens when an aircraft collides with a tank?

Rambo survives

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frum2zEM7V0