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Prove to me the world isn't flat
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INB4 some sperg babby falls for this shitty bait again
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>>18147557
he's not exactly holding a pie-dish is he
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>>18147557
It's established that the world isn't flat. If you want to introduce your concept against what is established then prove it first. I'm waiting.
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>>18147557
No, i wont...^^
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>>18147557
Is that the model you're going with?

OK, that's pretty easy to prove wrong.

According to that model, the sun never sets nor rises at the North Pole. It circles the pole but never changes the angle from the horizon. Same with the moon.

Eclipses, either lunar or solar, are impossible.

The sun would be visible from every point on earth, all day.

On a clear day, from the top of Mt. Everest, you could see to everywhere.

If you wanted to fly to Australia from LAX, the quickest way would be head northwest and fly in a straight line.

Speaking of Australia, according to this map, it's about 10,000 miles wide.

And it would take over 70,000 miles minimum to circumnavigate Antarctica.

The tropic of capricorn, on this map, is considerably longer than the equator, which is false.

So this model of the flat earth is clearly wrong. Maybe you could provide a better model?
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The peak of Mount Rainier as seen from Victoria, Canada on a clear day.
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You are sleeping you do not want to believe.
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>>18147564
Called it
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>>18147681
I think you're just mad because you know flat earth is wrong, but you can't prove it.
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>>18147557
Coriolis effect,

Prove it wrong and i'll believe the earth is a fucking dish.
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>>18147557
Blah blah blah blah...
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>>18147557
Because space, faggot.
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>>18147696
I think you're either 10 years old or can't understand English
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>>18147557
Pointless.
Every argument will be dismissed by some tinfoil-hatter bullshit and/or lack of basic scientific understanding.
I get that this whole flat earth thing is mostly satire/ an exercise in questioning the philosophy of science, but you guys are always doing it wrong here.
You are supposed to come up with an actual working alternative model instead of just calling people shills and sheeps.
No fun with that on /x/
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>>18147557
Give us the axioms of the system you're working with and we'll see if we can point out a contradiction, that you'll just handwave away by saying "Aliens" or "Memes" did it.
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It's not flat.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juTQPWVXKFk
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>OP only makes one post
This is the sign of a retarded bait thread. Shitting a thread into the board and abandon it - this should be banable
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>>18147863
I love the irony of Joe Rogan accusing other people of being gullible, and then other people exploiting that gullibility for financial gain.
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>>18147557
my proof is sage this bait thread.
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>>18147557
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=is+the+earth+flat
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Im assuming you think every other planet in our solar system is a sphere? Why would the earth be the only flat planet?
>muh gov conspiracies
Please its really not that much of a big deal for the gov to try to keep the public knowing. They dont benefit from that shit
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>>18147774
>actual working alternative model

Compatible with the very "science" that disputes it, very clever...

The whole point of the flat earth theory is to go beyond science, because we believe it is simply wrong. A new model isn't needed, it's only requested by those who want to shoot it down.
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>>18147787
>we'll see if we can point out a contradiction

How about you look at all the groundwork that support the flat earth theory instead, and explain how any of those successful experiments and observations can be dismissed. You can't and you know it, that's why you use logic and reason instead concrete examples.
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I think the earth is flat, just because you seen a picture of some blue ball on a black, sparkly White background doesn't mean that is the truth.

You can't believe everything your superiors tell you.

Think with you brain, see with your eyes, feel with hands. The earth is flat.
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I'll do you one better OP

According to that model you could hit the "Ice Wall" trying to sail around the Earth in any direction. All you have to do is get on a boat and take a rout that doesn't according to the actual Earth model.

Why has no Flat Earther done this?
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Never has any concept seemed as much of a 'distraction conspiracy' to me as 'flat-earth' and it's peddlers.
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>>18148443
>Think with you brain, see with your eyes, feel with hands, conveniently ignore physics, history and practicality. The earth is flat

ftfy faggot
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>>18148373
>Compatible with the very "science" that disputes it
No, thats not the point. But if you cant explain the world, how are people even supposed to disprove your non-existent worldview?
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>>18148589
a conspiracy to distract idiots?

When they do global depop they are either going to kill all the flat earthers for having 0 concept of critical thinking or let them live for the same reason, depends on who wins out on the depop thing.
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>>18148373
Yeah, this sort of bullshit is what I meant. You are doing it wrong. everybody will see it as utterly pointless to argue with that retardation
low effort b8
git gud
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>>18148589
Yeah it's all to distract from important real issues like chemtrails and aliens building the pyramids.
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>>18148589
Or, better theory, it's just a bunch of faggots shitposting.
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>>18147557
Ever seen a ship sailing away? Why do they vanish in the horizon?

Why can't you see the Everest or the Andes from your house?
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>>18147578
Gee whiz, now that you mention it no he isn't--you must be right because, statue. You're trying to refute the ridiculous idea of the flat earth with an even more ridiculous idea of a giant dude holding a planet on his back. You forgot about the turtles.
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Look up Russell's Teapot, you delusional retard. The burden of proof is on you.
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>>18148457
All the answers to that is aliens you stupid fuck
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>>18148608
>if you cant explain the world, how are people even supposed to disprove your non-existent worldview?


Wait what...?

Are you saying you only want to explain the world so that people can disprove your world view?
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>>18148613
>kill all the flat earthers for having 0 concept of critical thinking

lool, said the guy who swallowed the round earth theary in one bite and never questioned it once
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>>18148616

...and always ignoring post like

>>18148390
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>>18148678
>Ever seen a ship sailing away? Why do they vanish in the horizon?

They become too small to see. The waves closer to you will be relatively bigger and will cover them.
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>>18149208
People need to have models, that actual explain the world. What exactly is it, that OP wants to get refuted?
He needs to put forward more information about his worldview than just "flat".
Does he follow the acceleration model? Does he use the infinite plane approach? Is there gravity in his worldview?
There are too many different fe- theories to know what he is talking about
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>>18147557
Oh look another retard topic. Good job /x/. Quality fucking content.
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>>18147557
This is just asking for stupid sphere-earther replies.
>muh NASA livestream
>muh gravity
ishygddt
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>>18149218
except when my eyelevel is above the biggest waves.
nice try, tho
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>>18149237
gr8 b8 m8
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I've had my suspicions, is NASA that dedicated to keeping us from knowing the truth?
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>>18149238

The horizon is at your eye level. When the ship gets closer to the horizon, waves between you and the ship will look bigger than the ship. Obviously, these waves are also close to the horizon from your viewpoint. The waves you can look down on will not do this.
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>>18147557
People have been to the South Pole, which according to your model is a random-ass wall of ice.
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>>18149274
waves dont matter. they cant block my vision, when my eyelevel is above the biggest wave
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>>18149294

The biggest wave is by your foot. Unless it's really high it won't block your view, but it can if it is big. That not what I was saying still. Read my post again.
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>>18149313
>Unless it's really high it won't block your view
exactly
if my viewpoint is high enough, no wave will block my view.
your wave argument doesnt hold any water
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>>18149318
>if my viewpoint is high enough, no wave will block my view

At a certain point you're looking down from space, but that is an extreme thing to bring up here, it wasn't what we were talking about. Normally you stand on a boat and it's limited in height. This is what we are talking about.

>>18148678
>Ever seen a ship sailing away? Why do they vanish in the horizon?


I'm guessing this poster didn't mean

>did you ever see a ship sail away while you were in space
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>>18149243
It's not b8. I actually believe it. :^) Or do I [I do]?
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>>18149332
>This is what we are talking about.
no it isnt. we are talking about things "vanishing" behind the horizon. Bringing up things blocking the vision is besides the point. I can sit in a lifeguard tower on a beach and see ships going under the horizon, although I am above all waves. There is also a horizon on land.
waves arent a factor at all
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>>18147557
Prove me that you are not retarded
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>>18148710
It's almost as if the ancients knew the earth is a globe even before those shills at nasa lied to us about it
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the universe is able to make a fucking BALL WHICH IS ROUND, yet on the ground I stand is a flat disk?
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>>18149763

Further to this, science offers two separate proofs:

If balls come from Earth;
And balls are round;
Therefore Earth is round.

If you place a ball on the ground it will roll. It rolls because the Earth is round. Round things roll when placed against other round things. (This is why your car drives through the action of rolling its tires.)
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>>18149378
The ancient depictions are with celestial spheres as opposed to a globe.
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>>18149789
Testicles. That is all.
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>>18147557
>be flat earther
>open thread on /x/ instead of /sci/
you dipshits are perfectly aware this shit have no base
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I refuse. There is a conspiracy to convince a small subset of the population of a number of absolutely stupid conspiracies (fake moon landing, earth being flat, etc.) so that any and all theories about conspiracies will be laughed at by the general public. This is to keep them from discovering the true conspiracies (your disappeared socks go to the Fifth Dimension, everyone you personally dislike is in the Illuminati, etc.).

As that guy who never really bullied you in school, but whose personality just never really meshed well with yours, I stand to benefit from said conspiracy. So I will not prove you wrong.

I only tell you all this because I know you won't believe me anyway fnord.
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>>18147557
>Prove to me the world isn't flat

ok simple

go outside

look up at the sky

catch the light in your eyes from stars and planets thousands and thousands of miles away, pouring directly into your eyes

now grab a telescope

point it directly into the horizon

try to find landmarks like the eiffel tower and the statue of liberty etc. that are closer than those planets and stars

try to find something you could actually see if the earth was flat

realize you cant because the earth is curved
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>>18148575
Because compasses are misleading.
Also the plane is flat, the space is round.
When closer to south pole the space is more bent and condensed resulting in huge difficulty navigating by sea. (the compasses will malfunction and keep misdirecting making you bend your navigation in a side arc shape)

That's why most flights and navigation are done oriented towards the north(center 90 degree radius)

The 90* degree pole are not points, each is a huge radius of hundreds to thousands of km of pure 90* degree on the compass. more into the center beyond that radius line the compass starts spinning like crazy instead of flipping sides, becoming useless. The magnetic 90 degree radius in Antarctica is way bigger than the Arctic one, it is in tens of thousands of km and has extreme radiation closer to the center (slightly stronger than the inner Van Allen radiation belt level), same with north pole but slightly much less radius, at both poles beyond the center point the horizon flips(contracts to a single point then expands) and you enter another bent space of another plane(earth).

Plane is flat, Space is bent, like cells interconnected at their poles.
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>>18150427
Actually you can, the the density in the air is what stops you from seeing past some point. On an extremely clear day you are able to see close to ~200miles in a straight level line in distance clearly by using a telescope.
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>>18147578
>>18149378
Yeah it's not like the ancients were ever wrong about anything, right?
>>18149270
That is the sole purpose of NASA. It's no coincidence it was founded around the same time as the Antarctica treaty was signed.
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>>18150498
youre retarded
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>>18148336
They usually have some excuse like "The other planets are flat too, but NASA/da gubermint photoshop every image to make them look spherical." and "So-called 'gravity' is actually electromagnetism and that's why things fall."
They're kind of stupid.
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This is what happens when globes were taken (or left) out of classrooms years ago. But I suppose we have thieves to blame for that.
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>>18148336
There are no planets, even Earth is not a planet, but a plane
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>>18150518
the way you type shows how smart you are
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>>18150499
You do know that's just a symbol right? It's not like any other political symbol proved the truth of the politicians.

>>18150511
Nah, stolen no. Budget cuts? Yes. Lack of an interest in the subject of the school board and teachers to make teaching generic for all students can learn? You bet your ass.
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>>18150629
Ya blud, genericism ruins individual qualities for some and helps others (the ones that seek greater truths) flourish. Like u and eye.
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>>18147557
Why is this board filled with retards. Literally.
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>>18148443
>Think with you brain,
You first.
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>>18150498
That's not how air density works.
>>18150499
>They used a 2D representation of Earth for the United Nations logo, that's irrefutable proof that it's flat!
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>>18148678
>Ever seen a ship sailing away? Why do they vanish in the horizon?

it is a simple optical trick created by perspective that you can easily reproduce at home with a flat surface and a coin.
see pic related.
The sun or the Moon never go behind and under the horizon, they just fad away in the distance
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I'm still waiting for some flat bitch to explain the coriolis effect, BUT OH WELL.
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>>18150670
>using the word literally intentionally
Consider suicide.
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>>18150693
>coriolis effect
>93
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>>18150509

>They're kind of stupid.

then keep your Pluto, champion.
ahahaha
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>>18150427
>try to find something you could actually see if the earth was flat
>realize you cant because the earth is curved

because haze, fog, air moisture, clouds, you name it. Even a child knows that.
the reason they give a visibility rating in their weather forecasts.
like here
http://www.bbc.com/weather/6173331

>now grab a telescope
>point it directly into the horizon

better yet, do it yourself and behold the boats behind the curve that aren't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYfB0B16VQA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awCx5ob04ZY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiGOLO_mm5Q

my question is retard or shill?
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>>18150380
>There is a conspiracy to convince a small subset of the population of a number of absolutely stupid conspiracies (fake moon landing)

uh, are you a time traveler from 50 years in the past?
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>>18150713
meantime in the real world, amateur balloons have disproved the concave earth theo-ry which is nothing but cointel disinfo. The same convex bullshit but this time reversed.
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>>18150499

If all the evil leaders are so hell bent on covering up the flat earth, why would they slap the 'real' world map on a logo for everyone to see?
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>>18150780
>disproved the concave earth theo-ry
>what is fish lens
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>>18151000
>Every photo that shows the earth being curved was taken from a fisheye lens
Stale argument is stale.
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>>18150691
That's not an optical trick.

The reason the lower half of the coin becomes obscured is because the table is between the light of sight of the camera and the coin. Much like the round earth comes between the viewer and the ship.
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>>18148390
>logic and reason instead concrete examples
Yes, damn him for not relying on anecdotal evidence, like that your mom died sucking my dick, so dick sucking must be lethal.
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>>18151027
it is perspective and has nothing to do with camera, lens or your fictitious globe.
everybody can do it at home with the naked eyes.
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>>18147557
Inb4 gravity
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>>18151246
>Literally MEMES did it xD
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>>18147557
Cus people travel around the world?
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>>18151279
>can't travel around a disc

are you mentally impaired?
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>>18151307
Nobody reported traveling in circles rather than straight lines you mental mongloid
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>>18151307
>xD MEME DISCS DID IT!
>*Reads textbook on Timecube*
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>>18151328
>traveling in straight lines over a globe

are you trying to prove Darwin right?
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>>18147648
love how this effectively /thread and faggot OP chooses only to revel in his own autism
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>>18151332
I don't speak reddit, care to translate please?
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>>18151335
Man its time for your meds
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>>18151307
The Earth isen't a god damn disc moron, it's a rectangle with, guess what,
F O U R
C O R N E R S
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>>18151344

take your pills, buddy
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>>18151351
Im not your buddy, pal
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>>18151348
>le level 1 spaceball shill

you shouldn't be allowed in those threads, rather keep shilling for crooked granny, she is toast anyway
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>>18151351
I'm not your friend buddy
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>>18151355
why so salty, buddy?
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>>18151378
>implying NASA is competent enough to do anything with this level of intricacy
See the Lost US Astronauts NASA Let Die.
Checkmate
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>>18151380
>literally can't check a source when given a complete URL

you are clueless, buddy.
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>>18151246
>everybody can do it at home.

Alright, I did it at home and the coin doesn't disappear. It gets smaller but the bottom half doesn't disappear.

The only time it disappears is if I move my line of sight below the table. Something that can't happen on a flat earth, but would on a round earth.
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>>18151390
see
>>18148390

ITT we don't need to give sources.
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if the moon it's obviously spherical, as the other planets (saturn it's the most obvious one) why the earth wouldn't?
I'm not even talking about ALL the gravity complications here. It's pure logic
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>>18147648
nice pic
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>>18151393
>Alright, I did it at home and the coin doesn't disappear. It gets smaller but the bottom half doesn't disappear.

You failed doing this simple test but everyone else succeeded.
You know what it means, buddy?
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are there people here that actually think the earth is flat? i always thought it was a meme or a ruse.

what would be the point in telling people the earth is a sphere when it's not? who stands to gain from that?
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>>18151422
The argument goes that if the government can dupe the people into believing the earth is round, then they have total control and dupe them into anything.

The other common argument is that it's Satan trying to trick us into being against God, because the Bible says the earth is flat.

There are really people that believe this. I don't know if it's anybody here in this thread. I've seen people on occasion who were really, really into it, not just /b/ trolls.
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>>18151422
my ego
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>>18147557
I sailed from s. Africa to Brazil.

Gtfo with that flat eart shit!
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>>18151406
Magic Photoshop NASA Illuminati fisheye conspiracy.
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>>18151450
>I sailed from s. Africa to Brazil.
>flat earth btfo, duurr derpp ahahaha

Pretty sure geometry wasn't your strong point, was it?
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>>18151411
That you're an idiot?
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Anyone got the .jpg of the flat earth flight routes?
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>>18151471
It's a much further distance on your map than he would have traveled. I really don't think you should be calling out others on their geometry.
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>>18151471
>keeps positing a disc when its a goddamn rectangle
Fucking Christ, use mine
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>>18151471
Are you insane? Im serious.

The sailing trip time was calculated using a GLOBE and it was correct.
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>>18151476
>It's a much further distance on your map than he would have traveled

how do you know, he never told us how much he traveled.
Baby shill exposed once again.
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>>18151479
A sailing trip from Chile to Australia would disprove your troll map, troll.
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>>18151471
so, the air lines would spend a lot on fuel rounding the antartic, when they coul just fly in straight line?
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>>18151473
wrong again but you did your best, that's what matters most buddy.
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>>18151494
About 25 days. We were on a 75ft sail boat. Avg speed about 10knots.

Whycome you drink Brawndo?
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>>18147557
Under the logic of Flat earthers, the Horizon is the edge of the world. During a sunset, the sun clearly goes beneath the horizon. In another part of the world, at the same time, it's daylight. For example: If you are in the UK then when it's night time there it's daylight in Japan.

So, the fact the sun goes beneath the horizon in one place while daylight is experienced in another shows the world isn't flat because if it were flat, a sunset would mean the sun dipping under the disc of the earth.
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>>18151497
O U T
F U C K I N G
S K I L L E D
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>>18151525
LMFAO!!!

I gotta give you major troll points for that!!! Its a good laugh.

Sail your own boat with own compass.
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Okay, but seriously. Does anyone here have a convincing argument to disprove this retarded theory? I'd like to myself, but unfortunately I'm an idiot who knows nothing. There are a few people I know irl who actually consider this shit to be plausible
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>>18151511
I ain't your buddy, pal.
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>>18151523
>the Horizon is the edge of the world
No, Antarctica is. At least of the known world. Or more precisely "of the world as it is know by the general public". What lies beyond, a dome or more land, I do not know.
but very nice start with a lie.

>During a sunset, the sun clearly goes beneath the horizon

No it appears as if... because of a perspective trick that retards are having a hard time to grasp.
look here
>>18150691

>So, the fact the sun goes beneath the horizon in one place
it isn't a fact, rather it is a lie.

>shows the world isn't flat because if it were flat, ...
wrong conclusion based on false assumptions.
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man, ya'll really don't understand laughing buddha's dream....do you¿ at least not yet?

I'll give you a hint, he's much more enlightened than all of you. You can't sail through the pacific for the same reason you can't drive a boat through the Bermuda Triangle.
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>>18151548
One word: Gravity. Gravity doesn't work on a flat earth outside of magic.
>inb4 Gravity is actually magnets!
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Just did what the rest of /x/ needs to remember to do and reported this obvious trolling thread. Global #3 means get your /b/ thread the fuck off our /x/
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>>18151548

did you bother to read

>>18147644
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>>18151548
you can't fix stupid anon
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>>18151560
>You can't sail through the pacific for the same reason you can't drive a boat through the Bermuda Triangle.
what is this reason, wise man?
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>>18151556
[citation needed]
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>>18151574
Electromagnetism, fām. That's what the North and South Poles (among other things like ley lines) are for. A.K.A. A natural success-safe.
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>>18151581
But there are thousands of ships sailing through the bermuda triangle every day.
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>>18151597
Precisely.
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>>18151597
>implying Aliens don't just abduct them and leave a Bioganic Copy of them so we won't be the wiser.
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>>18151563
gravity doesn't exist, this lie can be discarded using common sense like in this quote from Thomas Winship

>“That the sun’s path is an exact circle for only about four periods in a year, and then of only a few hours - at the equinoxes and solstices - completely disproves the ‘might have been’ of circular gravitation, and by consequence, of all gravitation … If the sun were of sufficient power to retain the earth in its orbit when nearest the sun, when the earth arrived at that part of its elliptical path farthest from the sun, the attractive force (unless very greatly increased) would be utterly incapable of preventing the earth rushing away into space ‘in a right line forever,’ as astronomers say. On the other hand, it is equally clear that if the sun’s attraction were just sufficient to keep the earth in its proper path when farthest from the sun, and thus to prevent it rushing off into space; the same power of attraction when the earth was nearest the sun would be so much greater, that (unless the attraction were very greatly diminished) nothing would prevent the earth rushing towards and being absorbed by the sun, there being no counterbalancing focus to prevent such a catastrophe! As astronomy makes no reference to the increase and diminution of the attractive force of the sun, called gravitation, for the above necessary purposes, we are again forced to the conclusion that the great ‘discovery’ of which astronomers are so proud is absolutely non-existent.” -Thomas Winship, “Zetetic Cosmogeny” (44-45)
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>>18151634
>That the sun’s path is an exact circle for only about four periods in a year
Is this why the NFL, NBA, MLB, and NHL take places in different times of year??
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Spoiler: the Ancients didn't believe the earth was flat.
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>>18151634
In due time, you're gunna find out that Gravity is very very real....but it can be manipulated.
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>>18147557

How would the sun work and set or rose to give daylight and night to different parts of the world?

There, I just destroyed the idea of flat earth in the ten seconds it took to make this post with some simple critical thinking.
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>>18151648
Nope, Think, but with Magic.
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>>18151657
Le sigh. You love my Birthmother a little too much that it discarded your faith in mathematical logic. Unless you're Isis.

Those were some sweet drugs though, were they not?
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>>18151581
>poles

do not exist
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>>18151686
If the South Pole Exists, then the Krampus Exists.

But he dosen't, hence the South Pole does not exist.
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>>18151686
Not physical poles, obviously. Under the Arctic= huge oil reservoir. Under the Antarctic = obscurity.
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>>18151634
Looks like somebody's been listening to Eric Dubay.

This guy is confusing the tilt of the earth with the elliptical path of the earth's orbit. Two unrelated phenomenon. He's also forgetting that the earth moves faster at it's perigee than at it's apogee, which exactly accounts for the difference in gravity at those two distatnces.

All of this is exactly, and simply, as predicted by Newton's laws of gravitation.
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>>18147557
>You move in a straight line for a long enough distance
>Turn right 90° degrees, walk in that same direction for the same distance
>Turn again to the right 90° degrees and walk again the same distance

>same place as when started ya mouth bereather
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>>18151641
not really
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>>18151701
Don't lie, that coincides with the Reptilians controlling Sports, they would want to arrange such spectacles so that they would appease their god.
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>>18151697
>Looks like somebody's been listening to Eric Dubay.
this shill has listened during his class.
but I gave you my source already and it is Thomas Winship not Eric Dubay, who has done and is still doing an amazing work btw.
http://ifers.123.st
Yet all those words won't make gravity anymore real. This gravity thing is more like a religion, nobody has ever seen it but do not dare question its very existence or else!!
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A plainly obvious flaw with flat earth theory is the uniform speed at which the Sun moves through the sky.

Imagine a circular race track, floating just above your head. You see the car speeding towards you from a distance and it may take a while, but the closer it gets the faster it seems to move up until it passes directly overhead and you have to crane your neck to follow. This would be the Sun's path if it were as close as Flat Earthers claim.

Now imagine a larger circular racetrack, with you situated directly in the middle. Since the car is always an equal distance from you, it appears to move at a uniform speed all the way around the track. This is what we observe with the Sun.
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>>18151728
>Yet all those words won't make gravity anymore real.
so you don't understand the explanation?
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>>18147557
Go to the North (or to the South).

The daytime and the nightime change their duration, and more you go to the north o to the south they change.

Why?
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>>18151471

You realize that this map is debunked by sheer airline/ship travel times and routes right?

>Baja California to Tokyo
>More time than Alaska to Europe

And:

>New York to United Kingdom flight path
>Implying they fly in a giant U turn

For this map to be correct, literally every single person involved in navigation resources in any kind of global scale would have to be "In" on "the conspiracy". This is not a difficult profession to get into. Think about that for a second, so every time someone enters this trade that means at some point during their lessons the instructor says:

"Oh and by the way the Earth is actually flat but it's a secret don't tell anyone. So you also need to redo the route, remake the path on a different map, and fake the travel time logs in order to fool everyone on board. Also, here is your government issue local time-control device which can slow or speed up time around you so no one notices the lost hours"

Are you fucking for real?

Anyone who convinces themselves of this is colossally and irredeemably stupid. Flat Earth is not a redpill. It's just being stupid and bad at basic math.
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>>18151743
the pilots are in on it
they fly in circles to artificially lengthen flight times
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>>18151743
>hurr, a pilot would never lie to me

retard
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>>18151703
have you noticed something about that pic? I guess not so here it is. The horizon line is flat and at eyes' level. It proves that our Earth is flat.
here is another proof in pic related.
The apparent size of the solar disc shrinking in the distance. Key word here is "in the distance".
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>>18147557
You can't.

Scientists will get a boner though and get agro and lose their shit.
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It's funny how none of you answered to this post >>18147648

I think it tells a lot
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>>18151728
>Thomas Winship is still doing amazing work

Pretty neat trick for somebody that's been dead all this time. But even back in 19th century he never did anything worthwhile.

>gravity isn't real
>it's more like a religion

Reminds me of this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXV9GPC_3bM
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>>18151728
1975 and 2015 are both single photographs. The rest are composite images taken from low earth orbit, hence some distortions. NASA explained all this when it published them, so NASA remains trustworthy.
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>>18151761
If the earth is flat, why can I only see the peak? What is blocking 800-1000ft of the mountain from view? You can't be so disingenuous as to blame it on the vanishing point.

For the record, this is why you can see below the curvature of the Earth in some cases (although, clearly not enough to see the entire mountain)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_refraction

I hope that clears things up for you.
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>>18151737
>the tilt of the earth
>the elliptical path of the earth's orbit.
>the earth moves faster
> at it's perigee than at it's apogee
>difference in gravity

is this a quote from star trek?
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I did this a while back using numbers from the flat earth society.

feel free to refute

if you dont deem the numbers to be correct, provide your numbers and refute it that way.

the point is: the sun would never set on a flat earth
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>>18151798
Does it sound like fiction to you? Do you not know what these things mean?
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>>18151798
it is baby's first astronomy. those are very basic terms and concepts
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ITT
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>>18151785
all without exception are composite.
the 1975 trick they used from high altitude has been exposed recently. The retarded one from 2015 (with sex written in the clouds) is as much a photoshop as the others.

old school (clever) trick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5N2eLICRdk
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>>18151835
>The retarded one from 2015 (with sex written in the clouds)
literal autism
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>>18150736
>my question is retard or shill?
id say you are both a retarded flat earth shill

dumbass
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>>18151747
>>18151748
>still havent shot themselves
wew
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>>18151835
The photo taken in 1975 isn't the same thing as that video in your link.

Also your link is itself easily debunked.

It's claiming that the Apollo command module was in low earth orbit, and used it's circular windows like a stencil to make the earth look round.

Except the first big problem is that the windows were rectangular.

http://apollo-history-and-hoax.com/Apollo11/index.html

>it has sex written in the clouds
>hey, that cloud looks like an elephant!
>this must mean clouds are holograms!
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>>18150736
see>>18150504
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>>18151728
>Look up Thomas Winship
>only find his "Zetetic Cosmogeny."
>it's a 48 page pamphlet from 1899
>except for some archaic vocabulary, it sounds exactly like modern conspiracy theory kookery
>or, given Poe's law, satire of conspiracy theorists
>claims that the scientific establishment is out to get him, trying to hide the truth
>claims that Kepler's laws are just a theory, a GUESS
>he literally puts "GUESS" in all caps, just like the meme.

Conspiracy theories are like some kind of brain disease. They've got all the same symptoms and pathologies, regardless of the century they live in.
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>>18151845
you are an idiot
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>>18151845
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>>18151913
x33

>>18151919
JEY
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>>18151913
>>18151919
>I see a shape in the clouds
>therefore the picture is a fake
Conspiracy theorist logic is utter nonsense

If NASA was trying to create a convincing fake image, why would they deliberately put that in there?
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>>18151749
No Shit the earth is flat dumbfuck, What I'm saying is the fact that BECAUSE The earth is flat and the way the suns move around is why the reptillians always construct stuff in fours

4 points at the base of a pyramid
4 points at the base of the washington monument
4 points at the base of the empire state building ect...
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>>18151809
BTFO
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>>18151919
>YoutubeVideoThumbnail.png

Its just missing a red arrow and it would be perfect
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>>18151942
HOLY SHIT
my house has a rectangular layout, too!
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>>18151877
>It's claiming that the Apollo command module was in low earth orbit, and used it's circular windows like a stencil to make the earth look round.

Video doesn't claim anything, it shows.
There is no room for interpretation, the crooked are caught red handed. period.
You can see them faking a small Earth as would be seen in a distance using a cache with a hole in it of the desired size to simulate a small globe.
That video explains how they made the 1975 version of the globe. How they got the photorealistic material in those time when Photoshop wasn't in existence.
If you can't believe your own eyes, you have a problem buddy
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>>18151928
inorite?

Somehow how NASA can fool the entire world, except for some retard on the internet in his mom's basement.

There's nobody more undeservedly egotistical than a conspiracy theorist.
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>>18151958
misinformation and misdirection
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>>18151952
>I let the Reptilians build my house
You do realize that it's a harvesting trap, right?
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>>18151928
>>18151946


status: mad
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>>18151958
The video lies, anon, and my link debunks it.

The original footage from Apollo 15 shows a round earth through a square window a hundred thousand miles or so away in space. It looks exactly as it's supposed to look. There's no hidden hole. There's no trickery. Shit, that footage was broadcast live.

The only trickery is Bart Sibrel selling books to retards like you.
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>>18151966
Please explain the flight path of Johannesburg to Sydney.
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>>18151966
https://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/flights-to-buenos-aires-argentina

5 seconds on google and I found a direct fight from Aukland to Buenos Aires
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>>18151963
even my fucking bed has 4points!
fucking lizard people
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>>18151966
Hey, I'm just pointing out how 95% of youvideo thumbnails have a red circle and red arrow

Not saying anything about the reason or implied meaning or the attempt at communicating an idea. If you put a picture with a cat on it and a red circle on it, I'd posted the same thing.
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>>18151928
>If NASA was trying to create a convincing fake image, why would they deliberately put that in there?

Same could be said of Disney ... oh wait.
How about you go figure this yourself by going to the NASA website and check their official material yourself.
you could for instance follow the link provided in that pic here and see for yourself.
>>18150772
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>>18152002
>Same could be said of Disney ... oh wait.
no it couldn't
Disney never lead anybody to believe that the Lion King was non-fictional.
On the other hand, NASA's alleged 50 year old, trillion dollar conspiracy depends on them convincing people that these photos are not fake.

Conspiracy theorist logic is nonsense.
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>>18147557
The burden of proof is on you, OP.
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>>18152002
Kind of funny you mentioned Disney. You reminded me of those religious nuts who go through cartoons frame by frame looking for anything suspicious.
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Wow...

I've got a question why haven't any of the astronauts that have been in space come out on their deathbeds and admit they were never in space, or that they used tricks to dupe the population into seeing a rounded earth?
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>>18152038
The reptilians are threaten their families mate
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>>18151928
talking of utter non sense, the same set of "photos" taken from the EPIC (bs) satelol orbiter features a globe earth with a fat ass Luna that doesn't match the relative size of the Moon seen from the studio in nevada for the apollo hoax.
pic related shows that both pic can't be genuine at the same time (for any sane person)
the fact of the matter is both are actually fake.
earth ain't a globe.
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Wow its obviously shaped like a dodecahedron.
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>>18152050
how does it show this? how is it fake? show your math to prove that the relative size isnt correct.

your argument boils down to "it looks weird to me"
nobody will take this seriously
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>>18152050
>I don't understand how photography, perspective or lenses work
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>>18152011
>Disney never lead anybody to believe that the Lion King was non-fictional.

that was a the joke but never mind.
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>>18152041

Oh? But they have no problem admitting to seeing UFOs?

What about the fact that soon we will commercially fly in the stratosphere allowing anyone to see the proof for flat earth?
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>>18152060
>>18152061
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>>18152070
TV Screens BOUGHT by the Reptillians
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>>18152066
>backpedalling

A strange shape in the clouds is not proof of a CGI image
Any rational thinker would conclude that this makes it less likely to be a fake. Strange shapes happen all the time in clouds. Why would NASA risk this 50 year old conspiracy for a dumb gag?
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>>18152076

Ah so your only proof is space lizard, lizards that cannot correctly run a government, but still manage to fool everyone
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>>18152050
Maybe you're be better off rephrasing what you just said in proper English.

But I get your jist.

The earth is much larger than the moon. If you go very far away and take their picture together, you get a good approximation of their relative size. In the DSCOVR photo, that's fairly close to their relative size.

In the picture of the astronaut on the moon. The moon actually looks bigger than the earth, because it's closer to the camera. Also the astronaut looks bigger than the earth, also because he is closer to the camera. It does not mean that the astronaut is bigger than the earth.

This is a phenomenon scientists call "perspective."
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>>18152075
Solid argument, brah
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>>18150093
>the Heavens are a sphere
>the world is flat
>yet the sky stretches from horizon to horizon
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>>18152075
>cant explain his reasoning
thats what I thought, brainlet
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>>18152082
they're good enough to fool you
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>>18148740
We are not in court you dumb shit, the burden of proof exist only in the legal system, tell me what law requires anyone in any personal capacity on public or private ground to provide proof for any claim made that is not directly related yo a law being broken. This is a forum, the burden of proof is on noone
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>>18151634
You should parrot some shit about the moon and tell me how Tidal Lock would work on a flat Earth
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>>18152105
It's not a legal issue. It's a moral/ethical one.

You make a claim during an argument, the burden of proof is on you. Not providing one doesn't make you a criminal, just an intellectual coward.4
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>>18152105
yeah, no shit. Really convenient for you, isnt it. Glad you admit, that this bullshit wouldnt be defendable in any rigorous debate where intelectual honesty is worth something
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>>18152105
Are you legitimately on the autism spectrum?

Now I'm just curious
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>>18149378
ancient civilizations had much more wisdom that your television, teachers and Hollywood products would ever admit.
They all knew that Earth is flat.
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>>18152083
if you can't understand why these two pics defeat one another, then you are a retard.
There is no way around.
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>>18151809
>>18151735
I love how nobody responded to either of these

This leads me to believe that the flat earters are just shiposting. Nobody genuinely believes this garbage.
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>>18151966

Well maybe you should consider the route Air New Zealand take
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>>18152127
They don't "defeat" one another.

They're taken at different distances and different magnifications.

You're inability to understand cameras and perspective is your problem, not NASA's.
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>>18147557
prove to me the autism spectrum isn't spherical
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>>18152127
see
>>18152060

until then your argument is invalid.
You cant just say "duh, I'm obviously right, cant you see it?!" and expect people to think you made a point

>inb4: a post that keeps evading the argument and throws around insults
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>>18152127
you are militantly ignorant
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>>18152131
>A plainly obvious flaw with flat earth theory is the uniform speed at which the Sun moves through the sky.
it doesn't, flat earthers know the Sun doesn't have a constant speed.
This guy doesn't even know the basics.
discarded.
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>>18152145
And you're a living, breathing meme :^)
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>>18152151
What force allows the sun to stay in the sky on the flat. What force is making it revolve in a circle?
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>>18152160
Its impossible to know

Stop asking
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>>18147557
because the idea that the Earth is a disc covered by a sentry-guarded Antarctic rim is ridiculous, even for autists like me
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>>18152151
Well, what are the basics? Nobody laid them out. The first posts itt ask for further ellaboration and we still havent seen anything close to a basic model yet. Hell, most flatearthers dont even agree with each other.

see
>>18147774
>>18147787
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>>18152002
The stars are designes to spell "SFX" - the animation team that was working on the movie. It isnt "SEX", you horny virgin.
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>>18152165
So you dont know and what you said can be dismissed
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>>18152176
and The Little Mermaid penis?
The Rescuers tits?
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>>18152176
Actually I see Harambe in that pic...
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>>18152141
>They're taken at different distances and different magnifications.

when you magnify a scene using a normal lens, all the objects get magnified at the same time and with the same ratio, i.e their relative size isn't affected.
therefore your argument doesn't stand.

distance is not the problem here, relative size is.
See? like I said, you can't understand as simple as relative size between two objects.
You should stop talking with your ass and use your brain.
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ITT: a bunch of NEET americans with tinfoil hats going batshit crazy over stupid conspiracy theories in their parents basement.
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>>18152183
they sure love their naughty eastereggs
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>>18147648

Can you see the base of it?
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>>18152191
Yes, welcome to /x/ mr. reddit
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>>18152193
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>>18152200
look
>>18150691
can you see the base of the coin in the bottom frames?
you can't, for the same reason, perspective
the table is flat, a surface of water is always leveled (flat), same scenario same result.
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>>18152218
the camera isnt above the table. that shit is stupid
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>>18152208
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>>18152205
>doesnt agree
>lol reddit fag army :DdddDD
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>>18152223
There indeed are a lot of horny virgins here today
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>>18152220
the horizon in the open is always at eyes' level, so the camera is perfectly placed in this video, it is on the same level as the table, not above.
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>>18152224
But I agreed, you retard. You made an obvious observation about this whole board. Thats why I said "welcome to /x/"
Your attempts to fit in are sad, mr. reddit
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>>18152231
and a lot of dumb shills that are being kept busy here with horny virgins.
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>>18152237
Go outside get some sunlight
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>>18152232
Thats bullshit. it needs to be on the table, the same way I am on the surface of the earth.
The way it is in the picture, the edge of the table blocks the vision, which isnt what happens with the horizon
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>>18152244
>>>/reddit/
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>>18152240
Im absolutely not a shill, you have to believe me.
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>>18152119
No it just pisses me off that people cll out this burdon of proof shit, especially living in a state when onus is on the accused.
I believe our current theory of gravity it is just about as flawed as flat earth, but I do know with certainty the world is 'spherical'
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>>18152252
Do they have good memes like 4chan?
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>>18152218
You're seriously claiming that perspective chopped off 5000 feet from the mountain?
Now you just sound like you're taking a piss.

There are only 3 types of people who believe in a flat earth: (i) the mentally challenged (ii) people looking to make a quick buck off the mentally challenged and (iii) shitposters
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>>18152262
>base is obscured
>totally unbelieveable that the entire structure could be obscured from a distance
LMAO, round-earther pls go
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>>18152255
But you understand that there's a difference between a legal burden of proof and an academic burden proof right?

The fact that you're angrily confusing one for the other makes you sound kind of silly.
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>>18152259
They have the same memes. They only get them a few weeks later
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>>18152270
category 3 it is
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>>18152190
The photograph taken from DSCOVR is magnified. Because the earth and the moon are, relatively, close together, they are both magnified at about the same amount. Thus the earth is bigger than the moon, as it is in reality.

The photo taken of the astronaut is not magnified at all. it is "zoomed all the way out." Because the astronaut is very close to the camera, he appears very large. Because the earth is very far away from the camera, it appears very small.

You are in no position to accuse others of talking out their ass.
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>>18152232
>the camera is perfectly placed.

No, the camera is below the level of the table. If you find the center of the original image (it's on youtube), it's centered about an inch into the wood of the table.
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>>18152274
Thats pretty cool, seems like you know a lot about that place. :3
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>>18152255
>I believe the current theory of gravity is flawed

based one what evidence? Prove your case.
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>>18150691
Then why do I see the Sun move across the sky during the day if it supposedly only moves back and forth, closer and further, instead of crossing the sky?
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>>18152190
see
>>18152060
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>>18152151
see
>>18151809
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>>18147557
http://i.imgur.com/ysaLqAf.gif

/thread
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>>18150499
One thing I don't understand is why the middle is ice.
Shouldn't it be the warmest part of the model?
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>>18152245
>durrr bullshit derpp
>. it needs to be on the table, the same way I am on the surface of the earth.
Your stand above the surface but your eyes are at the level of the horizon (regardless of your altitude which is remarkable). The camera (your eyes) has to be on the same level as the table (horizon)
If Earth was a sphere, an oblate spheroid or a potatocuck then at 100,000 feet you would have to look down to see the horizon line, the matter of the fact is even at this altitude the horizon is at eyes' level. This alone is an undeniable proof that Earth is indeed flat.
see >>18151701 for instance or watch one of the numerous amateur balloons going as high as 130,000 feet without any sign of curvature whatsoever.
There is a 100% certainty that Earth is flat.
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>>18152314
>If Earth was a sphere, an oblate spheroid or a potatocuck then at 100,000 feet you would have to look down to see the horizon line
show us your math
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>>18152272
Only difference is context my friend, not in the burden itself. Even in an intellectual context its use is drawn from law, and implies someone is obligated, but why, is their theory that believable that you need all the proof so you can throw away your old beliefs.
If you don't believe them why ask for proof
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>Rocket is now exiting the atmosphere
>CG animation every time
>the government would never lie to us guys
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>>18147557
Look at a map, you piece of shit. There's proof. Proof that you're dumb. God damn it, you're fucking dumb. What the fuck. Do you fucking realize what a stupid bullshit question you just asked the world? What the fuck is wrong with you, I fucking swear.
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>>18152321
>If you don't believe them why ask for proof
Belief stems from evidence, anything else is to demand blind faith

/x/ is a board of skeptics and skeptics base their beliefs on evidence. I'm sorry if this upsets you.
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>>18152314
>at 100,000 feet you'd have to look down to see the horizon line

I believe it's about 5 or 6 degrees. And it turns out you do. A little tricky to see by the naked eye, and on a moving aircraft, but if you bring a level with you, it should be easy to see.

Shit, on a commercial airplane you can do it. About 3 degrees. Try it next time.
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>>18152300
KEK WILLS IT

the earth is (almost) round

/THREAD
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>>18152321
>if you don't believe them, why ask for proof

Because if they could prove it, I would believe it.

If you show me a model of the flat earth which explains observable phenomenon, I would take it very seriously.
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Take a look at this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inQ9U9_phB0
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>>18152353
>you can't see the curvature

Of course not, that picture is taking off from the airport and it's only a couple thousand feet off the ground.
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>>18152245
also compare the pics
here
>>18152314
and
>>18151749

This is perspective at work. The sun is simply going away (not below). Ecuador (where that pic was shot) is located right onto the equator line so that the Sun comes closer to the area than for any northern/southern countries. As a result the difference in the apparent size of the solar disc between noon and sunset is greater here than it will ever be in the northern/southern countries.
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>>18152314
You are missing the point. The edge of the table is not a good model for the horizon. It doesnt simulate the effect. It is simply the edge that is right in front of you, that is blocking the vision
The horizon also isnt at eye level.
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>>18152353
Hey, I recognize this guy. This is the guy who thinks that pretty much every news event was faked.

Florida night club shooting? Fake.
Hillary fainting? Fake
Paris truck attack? Fake
David Bowie dying: Fake
Also there's hidden messages in Force Awakens, Jim Carrey performances, and certain football and NBA athletes are secretly gay.

No evidence for any of it, of course, or even explanations why.
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>>18152367
see
>>18151809
why would it even set/rise to begin with?
Nobody has adressed this point yet
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>>18152314
>the camera has to be on the same level as the table

You have to be able to see the surface of the table. You can't see the surface of the table, because this fag set the camera below the surface of the table.
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>>18152279
>Because the earth and the moon are, relatively, close together, they are both magnified at about the same amount. Thus the earth is bigger than the moon, as it is in reality.

you don't understand what is relative size.
I don't want to sound insulting but your comment could be a quote from niel de grasse tyson.
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>>18152314
>The camera (your eyes) has to be on the same level as the table
but it isnt. it is halfway under the table. it needs to be ON the table to work as an anology
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>>18152391
The earth is bigger than the moon. This is relative size. How much bigger? Well it's about 1/4 the radius.

Pretty close to that photo.
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>>18152391
relative size doesnt change when you are zooming.
Everything just gets magnified by the same ratio
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>>18152245
>the edge of the table blocks the vision
you misunderstood the experiment, it isn't the edge of the table that blocks the vision but perspective, in the exact same way you see half a boat in the distance and magically if you zoom into said boat with a telescope the entire boat is back here. Simple optical trick.
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>>18152410
Well, you just showed how flawed that table shit is. If I would zoom in there, the edge would still block the vision and I wouldnt see more of the coin.
I refuse to believe you dont understand this at that point. I explained it over and over again and have to assume you are just trolling
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>>18152406
Here's one that gives them trouble.

>>18152410
In this false analogy you've constructed, you're digging a hole in the ground, ducking down until the edge of the hole blocks the bottom of a nearby boat, and saying "see! perspective."

In reality we can see the surface of the ocean when we stand on the beach, thus we should be able to see the top of your table.

Are you the guy who made the original youtube video?

Because even the people in the comments section quickly proved you wrong.
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>>18152422
forgot pic
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>>18152381
Our Sun and Moon are circling above our heads, So when the Sun is "rising", it is actually coming to you and bringing its day light, then its apparent size grows until about noon then shrinks again as it is leaving your area to bring its daylight on the other side.
this aspect of the flat earth is very well documented, I suggest you take a look here for a quick introduction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0xClWgidZU
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>>18152452
I know.
You didnt look at>>18151809 and adressed it.
The sun would never set
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>>18150991
The same reason they use symbolism in literally everything. Google "Symbols and the elite" or something similar.
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>>18152406
exactly so that the point you made is wrong. Thank you for fixing your mistake.

>>18152404
according to startrek sciences, relative size of earth seen from the surface of the moon should be 4 times the size of the Moon seen from Earth. This is of course complete bullshit but for the sake of the argumentation we will assume it is real. But then you have to realize that it doesn't work with the "shot" made by the EPIC trash, you can clearly see that Earth isn't 4 times as big as Earth, no matter how much magnified they are, their relative size should still show a 1:4 ratio.

failed.
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>>18152481
So you agree with my point that directly shows your misconception and then go on to make the same misconception again? cool

being closer and zooming are completely different things with completely different optical effects
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>>18151279
>>18151328
This is the basic idea. North is the north pole, in the middle, South is everywhere pointing away from the center, and West and East are clockwise and anti-clockwise respectively. That way if you travel East, you are actually going in a circle. it's not really so dissimilar to when you travel East on a globe, from the perspective of the top or bottom pole you are traveling in a circle.
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>>18152464
two comments,
1/ where do these numerical values come from? seems to be the flat earth society (a well known disinfo agency)
2/ Who claims that the Sun can never be less than 15* above the horizon? (which is retarded)
the same disinfo agency

the flat earth society is a club of shills paid with taxpayers' moneys (like NASA) whose job is to make the flat earth looks stupid. Nobody ever make any mention of them (except shills like you) because everybody knows who they are.
so to answer your post, the Sun can go all the way down and appear as if "melting" with the horizon (perspective effect) to the point of disappearing entirely (night time)
see
>>18150691
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>>18151422
Any money pumped into NASA, satellites, etc is free game for one. Perhaps there is something beyond the ice-wall that the elites have an interest in keeping secret, who knows.
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>>18151474
Here you go
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>>18152527
>where do these numerical values come from?
see
>if you dont deem the numbers to be correct, provide your numbers and refute it that way.

>ho claims that the Sun can never be less than 15* above the horizon?
the fucking math shows this. Thats the point. According to the flat earth model, the sun would NEVER sink as low as we can observe it in nature

Save your "shill" and "disinfo" talk and make actual arguments.
Disprove the simple math/geometry that completely refutes your theory as to why the sun sets
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>>18151809
the sun doesn't exist, it's an illusion, it's magic, etc
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>>18152244
>>18152191
This is who posts on /x/ now, Jesus saves
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>>18152563
>the fucking math shows this.

Your maths are correct, the source for your numerical values is shit and so is your conclusion.
simple logic.
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>>18152606
>if you dont deem the numbers to be correct, provide your numbers and refute it that way.

You are just avoiding the argument. What are the correct numbers then? What numbers would explain our everyday observations?
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>>18152527
>who says the sun can never be less than 15 degree above the horizon

It follows from the premise of the flat earth.

Eratosthenes measured the circumference of the earth. He claimed that the world is 25,000 miles in circumference and a globe.

Flat earthers, claiming the world is flat, use the same measurements but given their presumption the world is flat, this must mean the sun is small and 3,000 miles away.

Again this just trigonometry, observations, and the assumption that the earth is flat.

Now it's also known that at noon on any given day of the year, the sun is directly over head somewhere on earth, between the tropics of capricorn and cancer.

Therefore, according to this simply logic, the 3,000 mile away sun must circle in the sky above those regions of the flat earth. Thus, again using trigonometry, from everywhere on earth the sun can be no lower than 15 degrees.

Does it make sense? From a very limited amount of givens, yes.

Does it make sense? No. In trying to make sense of one thing, flat earthers completely fuck everything else up, for example, sunsets and sunrises.
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>>18152627
>What numbers would explain that the Sun light disapears?

first a fact, the light doesn't actually travel to infinity (I know this is another lie taught by startrek sciences)
second the law of perspective.
again see
>>18150691
the apparent angle made between the Sun and Earth tends toward 0 as the Sun goes away and melts with the horizon.
apparent is keyword here, the real angle isn't 0 obviously but the solar disc entirely goes off the observer sight thanks to basic law of perspective
This and the fact that the light can only travel a few thousand miles at best explains WHY you experience night time every 24 hours periods.
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>>18152481
You're still not understanding how perspective works.

Here, watch this famous clip. It deals with magnification and distance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbeXzJDYxS0

Can you figure out how that works? Probably not on your own so I'll tell you. The camera man zooms out, making objects appear to get further away. Wait, how come Sheriff Brody gets bigger? Because at the same time the camera man is zooming out, he's moving closer to the subject in the foreground.

Magnification by itself doesn't change relative size. But distance does. There's that funny perspective thing again. It's so complicated, ins't it? Well, no. People were figuring this shit out in the middle ages. You should be capable too.
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>>18152659
If it were a perspective issue, then the sun would simply get smaller and smaller and smaller until we couldn't see it any more. Instead it disappears out of line of sight without changing in apparent size. Because the horizon comes between the sun and the viewer.
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>>18152650
Eratosthenes made two critical assumptions, that Earth was a sphere and the Sun a giant star located millions miles away (so that all sun rays had to be parallel while hitting the ground) from these two assumptions (both are actually wrong) he determined what would be the curvature between two well known areas solely based on the discrepancies in the shadows produced at a precise day of the year in said areas. From that curvature he then determined the circumference of the Earth. Which would be correct if Earth was a sphere and the Sun a distant star.
Unfortunately his experiment is worthless since his assumptions are wrong.
the Sun rays hit the ground with an angle because the Sun is very small and very close, and not the other way.
Moreover you claimed earlier that value came from the flat earth society but actually it comes from a baller, so you are mixing a bit of everything here which is pretty much confusing.
but the Eratosthenes argument is retarded, his experiment proves nothing relevant to this chatter.
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>>18147557
water's flat
earth's flat
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>>18152699
You're wrong about the both claims.

Erastothenese relied on the given (not an assumption, but a given), that the suns rays were parallel and from very far away.

This was a given because it had already been proved by others before he conducted his experiment.

The earth being a sphere had also been proven.

Do you know how Eratosthenes already knew that the suns rays were parallel? Probably not.
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>>18152672
you are lying again
your video comes from a Hollywood movie using a special lens to get a special terror/surprise effect
Why would Nasa use that kind of lens?
answer: they don't, you are just being desperate
This is what you can expect from a magnifying lens.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrihjP5tTTM
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>>18152728
>Erastothenese relied on the given
but it isn't since to be a given, the sphere must be proven and it never was.
>This was a given because it had already been proved by others before he conducted his experiment.
No, the sphere has never been proven by anyone
>The earth being a sphere had also been proven.
source?
>Do you know how Eratosthenes already knew that the suns rays were parallel? Probably not.
he didn't know, he made the assumption they were because it was the whole purpose of his experiment, to further the idea that Earth is a sphere.
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>>18152678
dont even bother dude
this guy is so far gone theres just no point
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>>18152748
[citation needed]
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>>18152678
>If it were a perspective issue, then the sun would simply get smaller and smaller and smaller

ding ding ding we have a winner
look here
>>18151749
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>>18152738
>that kind of lens

You mean there are special kinds of lens for emotions you want to evoke? Is that how you think Hollywood movies work?

If you want to make a horror movie you put on a horror lens and if you want make a funny movie you put on a comedy lens?

No, that's not how cameras work.

Again, that shot was done by moving the camera forward, and zooming out. You can also move the camera out, and zoom in.

The two things important here are magnification (zoom), and distance (moving in and out).

That's a nice video proving the curvature of the earth, though.

You'll notice that zooming in doesn't move objects out of the way if they're blocking the line of sight.
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>>18152753
>claim some shits
>get told
>ask for citations

Who proved the sphere already?
and the answer iiiiiisssss ......

nobody
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>>18152659
>as the Sun goes away and melts with the horizon
that is exactly what is disproven by simple math. You are not really trying to engage the point I am making. On a flat earth the sun wouldnt get to such a low angle where it is close to the horizon.
Even when I assume your weird consept of the way light is travelling and perspective to be true, simple geometry predicts the sun to "melt" at a point in the sky, that is clearly above the horizon. This is not what we observe in nature, so your model is proven wrong
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>>18152757
>That's a nice video proving the curvature of the earth, though.


problem is it proves the flat earth, since everything that is "behind the curvature" magically re-appears once you zoom-in proving that it never went behind in the first place but was just out of visual reach because of perspective.
are you mentally impaired?
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>>18152748
>it was never proven

No, it totally was.

>source

Here, I'm the source. Let me demonstrate it for you. Ships disappear over the horizon hull first. The shadow of the earth during a lunar eclipse is always circular. The north star lays on the horizon at the equator and disappears from sight going any distance south. Same thing for all stars and their corresponding orientations. When it is noon on one side of the earth it is midnight on the other. Gravity would make it impossible to be any other shape. Photos from space. Curvature at high altitude. The horizon drops below eye level from a passenger jet at cruising altitude.

>I don't accept your proof

Can't fix retard.

>he made the assumption

No it was already proved. The purpose of the experiment was to measure the circumference. Everybody already knew it was round.
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>>18152774
>since everything that is "behind the curvature" magically re-appears once you zoom-in
that doesnt happen
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>>18152756
Here, I fixed it for you.

If you complain I changed the size, well guess what, that's what you did first.

If you seriously want to do this experiment, the size doesn't change. If you can't figure out how to measure the angular size of the sun because it's so bright, go ahead and try it with the moon. It won't change either.
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>>18152765
>On a flat earth the sun wouldnt get to such a low angle where it is close to the horizon.

because of Eratosthenes' calculus?
Earth being a disc, its actual circumference is much larger than in the model used by the Greek. About twice as much or more
So it is very easy to understand how your data is shit and why perspective (+ true sciences surrounding light) explain everything.
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>>18152774
Did you watch the video?

The tower "gets bigger" when he zooms in, but none of it that was below the horizon reappeared above the horizon.
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>>18152797
What's the length of the tropic of cancer?

Now what's the length of the equator?

Now what's the length of the tropic of capricorn?
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>>18152797
>because of Erastothenes calculus

Because of geometry. If the earth were flat, you'd be able to see it from all points on earth, simultaneously.
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>>18152779
>Ships disappear over the horizon hull first.
literally can see the hull re-appear through a telescope when zoomed-in
still doesn't get the hull NEVER goes behind the proverbial curvature (that never existed)

> The shadow of the earth during a lunar eclipse is always circular
problem is it isn't the shadow of the Earth

> The north star lays on the horizon at the equator
>and disappears from sight going any distance south
which works on a flat earth model

> Same thing for all stars and their corresponding orientations.
same remark

> When it is noon on one side of the earth it is midnight on the other.
fully documented, you don't even know the basics

>Gravity would make it impossible to be any other shape.
doesn't exist, weight and density explain why things are above or below.

> Photos from space.
like those in this thread, shill?

> Curvature at high altitude.
through a fish eye lens? otherwise there is none

> The horizon drops below eye level from a passenger jet at cruising altitude.
except this is a false claim
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>>18152797
again;
>if you dont deem the numbers to be correct, provide your numbers and refute it that way.
You are making absolutely no point so far
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>>18152818
>You can see the hull reappear by zooming in

Nope.

>doesn't go behind the curvature

It does. Lots of way to test

>lunar eclipses aren't caused by the shadow of the sun

Good lord, then what's causing them? The shadow of the death star? And right at the exact time the earth would cast its shadow on the moon. What a coincidence

>Polaris dipping below the horizon works on the flat earth model

It doesn't. All points on earth would have line of site to all the same stars.

>fully documented you do not know the facts

According to the flat earth model, the sun would be about 30 to 40 degrees in the sky at midnight for most places on the earth

>there's no such thing as gravity

Things fall down. The thing which makes things fall down is called gravity. If you want to call it "density" or "hippopotamus" or "Alan," fine. It doesn't matter what you call it. If the earth were flat, Alan would cause it to fall into a ball.

>like those in the thread

Yes. They prove you wrong.

>but they're a conspiracy.

You've just made it harder for yourself. Now you have to provide evidence for a flat earth. And now you also have to prove the photos are fake. You've gone from making one bad claim to making two.

>it is false that the horizon falls

It's true and its observable. You need an airplane and a level. And also honesty. Good luck.
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>>18152809
haze, fog, air density, humidity, clouds
that sort of things
+ the simple law of perspective that makes everything seems smaller the farther they are.

>>18152801
you will see better in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql_TTguKxnE

>>18152805
on a flat earth the distance from any northern country to the tropic of Capricorn is greater for obvious reasons.

>>18152795
both pics are taken with same zoom factor
so you failed.
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>>18152861
>the simple law of perspective makes things seem smaller the farther they are

Yes, which is how we know the earth is curved.

The sun and the moon are the same size at noon overhead as they are on the horizon. According to the flat earth, they should be much further away.

Yet they're the same size.

>watch this video

I've seen it. He doesn't make the ship's hull reappear by zooming in. It isn't even far away. The reason it's reappearing and disappearing is because of waves.

>distance too

I'm not asking about distance too, I'm asking about length. If somebody measured the tropic of capricorn, how long is it in total lenght.

>both pictures taken with the same zoom factor

explain this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tclLuN1NoBg

The size doesn't change.
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>>18152880
>Yes, which is how we know the earth is curved.
No, perspective works on a flat surface
it doesn't need a curvature

>The sun and the moon are the same size at noon overhead as they are on the horizon.
your comment makes no sense

>muh waves are hidding the hull
>muh length
the length too is greater on a disc. I don't know the exact length, why would you want to know that and how is it relevant?
>same zoom factor
proves that perspective is sole reason for the small Sun on the right side. That's why you failed. Perspective proves the flat Earth

see
http://www.shutterstock.com/video/clip-9534848-stock-footage-time-lapse-of-the-moon-setting-over-water-with-moving-stars-and-milky-way-note-there-are-many.html

also

http://www.shutterstock.com/fr/video/clip-4526936-stock-footage-moon-rise-from-the-ocean-timelapse-with-stars.html?src=recommended/2516963:5/3p

for very good example or real world moon set/rise with a perfect sight on the horizon (where the interesting part takes place)
you can see how the Moon is shrinking and growing rather than going under or above the flat line. Perspective at work.
You failed here again
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>>18152818
>> The horizon drops below eye level from a passenger jet at cruising altitude.
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>>18152818
>> The horizon drops below eye level from a passenger jet at cruising altitude.

yes, you failed on that point too
>>
Flatearth is so fucking stupid.

It's like trying to deny the existence of Australia.

Kangaroos? Don't actually exist.

The Australian government? Just a coverup organization to convince you it's there.

People who have gone there? They've been taking to a reservation in Ireland to convince them that this is a real place that exists. Why Ireland? Because there's no other country the illuminata could strip the food away from so easily(see: potato famine)

Austrailian natives? Spies trying to infiltrate the public and integrate into society to make it collapse.

See the truth. There is no Magic Kangaroo land.
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>>18152918
The moon actually appears bigger close to the horizon (look up "moon illusion" or simply watch outside). But simple measurements, that everybody can make, show that it doesnt change apparent size.
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>>18152918
>perspective works on a flat surface.

Exactly. And because perspective works, the sun and moon should get smaller on the horizon. But they don't.

>Why would you want to know the length of the tropic of capricorn.

Turns out I do know it.

length of the tropic of cancer: 22,859 miles

length of equator: 24,901 miles

length of tropic of capricorn: 22,858

You figure out the rest
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>>18152949
>The moon actually appears bigger close to the horizon

wrong again
watch the links I provided, here you will get a clear sight of the horizon line which is pretty rare for anyone not leaving on the coast. In both footages you can see the Moon growing and shrinking. you can see it in literally thousand of other footage, stop it's time to stop the bullshit don't you think?
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>>18152931
it doesnt drop much at that height. barely noticeable to the naked eye. What did you expect at plane heights? Do you even simple mathmatics, bro?
Go higher up and you will have to look down at an noticable angle.
This would also happen on a flat earth. You arent even understanding the earth model you are trying to argue here
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>>18152975
>wrong again
no
This happens. It is a well known illusion that everybody on earth can watch everytime the moon is low on the sky.
You are doing the equivalent of saying "the sky isnt blue" at this point
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>>18152931
>>18152935
No, I haven't. you've posted two pictures of the horizon. What you haven't shown is where eye level is.

Hint: it's a few degrees above the horizon.

Do you know what a sextant is, anon? Angle of dip? A sextant works fine if you're a sailor on the sea, because the horizon and true level are mostly the same.

But if you start climbing in altitude, you have to correct for the dip, because the horizon dips below eye level.

People have been doing this shit for hundreds of years, nigga. You didn't really believe that because you heard it on youtube, did you?

http://mathscinotes.com/2015/10/correcting-sextant-measurements-for-dip/
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>>18152978
It's about a three degree difference. You can't tell from a photo because there's no way to tell what level is. And it's a little hard to eyeball it from a turning plane.

But no, just take a level and it's easy to see.
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>>18152949
watch this beautiful timelapse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ll9iBOQkrw
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>>18152999
You're looking at glare, not the actual size of the disk of the sun.

Since you obviously don't know how to correct for it, try the moon.
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>>18152988
>What you haven't shown is where eye level is.

eye level is where the window in the pilot cabin start, pilots are seating and looking forward at eyes' level
exactly where the camera is aiming.
stop being a retard, would you?
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>>18152995
Yeah, that is basically what I meant by "barely noticable with the naked eye"
You are absolutely right, tho. Especially a photo without any information is useless
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>>18153014
no it isn't a glare, the solar disc is many times larger after a few minutes because the Sun is much closer. Simple law of perspective.
The same reason why the Lunar disc shrinks and grows at moon set/rise in the footages provided here
>>18152918

You failed again, that must be a way of life for you.

>>18152995
>It's about a three degree difference
the problem is, there is also no curvature to see at 130,000 feet.
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>>18152999
pro tip: the sun has pretty much the same apparent size as the moon in the sky.
And as
>>18153014
pointd out there is glare at work.
Since you will deny this anyway, lets just focus on the moon again after you dodged my point and made an unrelated post
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>>18153029
>eye level is where the window start

lol, what? So the plane is in a dive? The eye level is where the pilots are looking? Eye level is where you look at?

And you call me retarded?

No, you dumbshit. "Eye level" means horizontal eye level. If you were standing straight up and looking perfectly straight forward, that's eye level. The true horizontal. In the case of pictures, it's horizontal relative to the camera.

Do you know what pic related is? That's how you determine the true horizontal. In the case of your photos, we only know where true horiztonal is by looking at the apparent horizon, and then correcting for the altitude, so a few degrees above that.
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>>18153047
>there is no curvature at 130,000 feet

There's curvature at 6' feet but it's hard to see. At 130,000 feet it's very easy to see.
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>>18152779
>>it was never proven
>No, it totally was.

can we settle this once and for all?
who proved the globe?
I don't know of anyone who ever proved it, so please tell me.
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>>18153052
it's eye's level if your line of sight to the horizon makes a 90degree angle with the ground
which is precisely what pilots are doing in that pic
you are a dumb retard and desperate to make a single valid point but so far you failed.
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>>18153055
at 130,000 feet, the only visible curvature is horizontal which is expected on a disc but you don't get any vertical curvature, which is expected on a sphere.
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>>18153065
>I don't know who proved it

Why does it need to be one person? I don't think you know how this works. People don't prove things. Nobody believes in things because "Neil deGrasse Tyson says so." Or because "NASA says so."

That's called an appeal to authority. It's a logical fallacy.

People believe things because of the facts. The evidence. The observations. Even if Eratosthenes never existed, his experiment is still there, and it's reproducible. If Newton didn't exist, it wouldn't matter, because gravity is observable and measurable.

As for the round earth, it's so obvious people had it figured out before we had a written record. It literally doesn't matter who was the first.
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>>18153081
>which is precisely what pilots are doing in that pic
we cant know that

also:
>>18152978
>>18152978
>>18152978
you were already refuted
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>>18153081
I'm sure the pilots are flying level to the true horizon. Which is a few degrees above the apparent horizon. It's not what you think it is in the photo, and the pilot's perspective has nothing to do with it, because they have a different perspective than the camera.

>horizontal curvature vs. vertical curvature

If your feet are pointing towards the earth, then it will be "horizontal curvature" regardless if it's a disk or if it's a sphere.

If you are 200,000 miles out in space, the earth will appear as a small circle well below your feet. The same thing would happen on a disk earth.

With a disk earth you'd be able to see the entire surface. On a sphere earth you'd only be able to see half the earth at any one time. The latter is what happens in reality.
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>>18153065
it is known since the ancient greeks and we have yet to make an observation that contradicts the "globe theory"

If you want someone who came to this simple conclusion rather early, take aristotle for example

>Aristotle (384–322 BC)
>Aristotle provided physical and observational arguments supporting the idea of a spherical Earth:
>Every portion of the Earth tends toward the centre until by compression and convergence they form a sphere. (De caelo, 297a9–21)
>Travelers going south see southern constellations rise higher above the horizon; and
>The shadow of Earth on the Moon during a lunar eclipse is round. (De caelo, 297b31–298a10).
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>>18153090
>Even if Eratosthenes never existed, his experiment is still there, and it's reproducible

okay so it is now settled, nobody ever proved the globe.
it is based solely on muh authority. (read: NASA and their photoshop/G planes/greenscreen and celebrities talking heads)
I knew it but I wanted to make that clear for everyone that the globe thing was actually unproven.
Also, again Eratosthenes never proved the globe, it took the globe for granted to make an estimate of the curvature and circumference of the globe (which wasn't proven and never will)
> It's a logical fallacy.
see above for an example of what is a fallacy
>, it's so obvious
No it isn't so obvious since million of people are now questioning the validity of the globe.
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>>18153123
>nobody ever proved the globe

No. The globe was proved. Many independent people proved the globe. You asked who was first. Who knows? How cares?

The earth remains proved regardless.
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>>18153110
none of which is a proof whatsoever that Earth is a globe, you can refute every point and explain them with the flat earth model.
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>>18153149
>you can refute every point

No you can't. You can't refute any of them.
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>>18153132
no the people in your list provided educated guesses (politically and spiritually motivated guesses in some cases) but none of them provided a single undeniable proof.
there is none, every point can be explained in the flat earth model.
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>>18153164
>every point can be explained by the flat earth

This is a lie. They cannot.
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>>18153159
>No you can't. You can't refute any of them.
>>>Travelers going south see southern constellations rise higher above the horizon;

which is expected by the law perspective (again), as they go farther to the south the stars near the center of the firmament shrink in size and appear lower to the point of "melting" with the horizon while at the same time the stars near the edges are growing in size and rising.
You don't seem to know the basics of the flat earth model.
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>>18153178
all of them
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>>18153190
That's got nothing to do with the law of perspective.

>>18153196
Go ahead and try.
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>>18152988
look at the black line that makes the bottom of the window frame, it is about leveled (about a 90deg angle with your monitor frame)
now seat down and place your head at the same level than the two pilots and look straight in front of you so that your LOS forms a 90deg angle with the ground and contemplate the horizon at eyes' level.
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>>18153219
>That's got nothing to do with the law of perspective.
but it does, and the flat earth explains that very well
so it was just an example of your so called proof of the globe being refuted.
No need to go further if you can't understand how perspective works in the real world.
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>>18153231
That's vertical, you dumbfuck. True horizontal could be any line 90 degrees to that. Pilot's perspective has fuck all to do with anything. Shit, in most planes the pilot's eye level has him looking at the instrument panel.
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>>18153240
You're just making up laws of perspective to fit with your bullshit.
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>>18153149
>and we have yet to make an observation that contradicts the "globe theory"
thats the important bit. meanwhile the flatshit falls flat at every point.
For example:
this whole thread and nobody could refute>>18151809
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>>18147648
200KM.
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>>18152096
here >>18150492
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>>18151493
Compass mapping. using a compass in long distances you travel in an arc not straight line.

See >>18152516
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Round Earthers BTFO
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>>18147557
Gravity.
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>>18154778
Gravity is a Meme force, the Gene Ray Quad force is a much more elegant explanation and implies the world is a flat rectangle.
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