Occultism & Magick General

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>>18110147
Can somebody redpill me on esoteric christianity?

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What up, my wizards?

>>18110157
Esotericism is the belief that there is a secret inner teaching that is opposed to the outer teaching of a religion. Most Christians consider this heretical due to its Gnostic/Hermetic implications. If you're worried about heresy, then stick with Church-approved mystics. If you're not worried about heresy, welcome to the world of magic.

>>18110158
Still trying to wrap my head around the whole Black Lodge, 156 Current business on the Scholarly side.

More intensive Non-Symbolic, Non-Ritual practices based off exerted Will on the Practical.

>>18110157
The Abrahamic God was once worshiped as the Divine Masculine along with Astarte as the Divine Feminine, a dualtheistic religion. His most major symbols were the Bull, Fire, and Saturn.

At some as-of-yet undiscovered period, the senior Judean Clergy decided they wanted a near unlimited amount of power. So they called their Divine Bull an 'Om' being and ditched the dualism on the surface.

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>>18110158
I like magic!

>>18110200
take your pills, jimmy

>>18110206
HARA HARA MAHADEV!
JAI JAI MA!
may all the gods rot in hell.

How come is OMG such a desserted place?

>>18110158
Trying to move away from tools of magic to doing magic with just my mind. It's work.

>>18110336

I think the Ape's been busy and it's easy to burn out in these threads.

>>18110362
Burn out? How so?

>>18110362
Good. This shouldn't be
>Thoth's attention arena: the thread

>>18110336
It is our just desserts.

>>18110361
What techniques have you been using?
Some examples of the way you are working in other words.

>>18110363
Ape is an Ipsissimus and has higher metaphysical concerns than tutoring students who are neophytes at best.

>>18110370
Chanting or writing my wish and burning it in a circle.

>>18110372
Sounds like basic chaos magic.

>>18110384
Is that bad? I did a chant and got $175. So clearly I did something right that first time.

>>18110389
Practical magic is for mundanes. True magic is born from a thirst for the infinite.

>>18110389
If Magick really worked, there would not be much difference between aqcuiring a hundred dollars or thousands of dollars. If reality can be bent to ones will, what is stopping you from becoming a millionaire?

Further, people acquire money all the time without the use of ritual bullshit.

>>18110394
If you really want to make contact with the divine read the Bhagavad Gita. Nothing will take you closer to God than Gaudiya Vaishnavism.

>>18110398
Everyone has their own path and karma and yoga. Do not be so quick to assume yourself a superior position. I, and I'm sure many others in this thread, have already the read the Bhagavad Gita.

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>>18110396

>>18110411
The constitutional nature of the living entity is as a servant of Krsna. While there are other inferior yoga systems (hatha, kriya, etc), nothing is as potent or powerful as Bhakti.

>>18110363

It can get tiresome.

>>18110371

kek

>>18110396
If magic worked like you think it works, you mean [it doesn't].

>>18110423
Krishna is a bullshitter. He is not the god of gods. He is inferior to yhwh.

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>>18110371
Speaking as someone leagues and leagues above this grimoire peddler, he and his thelema aren't fit to suck the dirt off the toe of an uneducated hobo.

You're talking to the top of the fucking pyramid right now. 4chan is the perfect place for this trash can.

>>18110471
Yahweh itself is likewise inferior. Nirvana is a battlefield, and only one entity can reign at the top. For too long have the colored kings sat complacent, maintaining a stagnant status quo.

>>18110466
Nice argument shitforbrains

>>18110487
>Nirvana is a battlefield
You... really do not have a solid grasp of the Metaphysics you are speaking about.
Nirvana or the Source, the Singularity. Whatever you wish to call it, by it's fucking definition, cannot have conflict as there is nothing to conflict with or over.

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>>18110147

>>18110499
Shut the fuck up layman

Another shitshow.

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any thoughts on this image?

>>18110563

Joke/troll/bait.

>>18110567
are there similar pictures or copy pastes that r legit?

>>18110580

Yep. There's a beginner's folder at that Mega link, up top. You'll need an account and to be signed in, apparently.

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>>18110336
Feels like we're all here to be alone, in a way. It's been intensifying, tho.

>>18110580

This one >>18102201 is okay. I disagree with some, but there's some good stuff there too.

If magic works, why are all the druids dead?

If magic works, why are all the zoroastrians dead?

The study of physical science is of more utility to humanity as a whole than people making up bullshit and then pretending its a secret thats very important.

Did magic give us dynamite, the browning machine gun, or the atom bomb?

No.

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>>18110147
Thanks, I've been waffling between making a thread and not because I'm waiting on some important and rare materials I intend to share, and don't wanna make a thread empty handed to just take up space until they get here.

>>18110712
>zoroastrians
>dead
Experiencing a resurgence if our resident Zoroastrians are to be believed.

>The study of physical science is of more utility to humanity as a whole than people making up bullshit and then pretending its a secret thats very important.
Not according to the Western knowledge system which supports phenomenology, anthropology, philosophy, theology, and other allied disciplines.

>Did magic give us dynamite, the browning machine gun, or the atom bomb?
Gave us phosphorous, the first artificially rendered element, from distilling piss whilst in search of the Stone.

>>18110665
Meh, all those infographics have a couple texts I'd cast aside, but yeah.

>>18110363
I'm not even burned out, I'm waiting on the thing I mentioned here: >>18110718

>>18110336
I dunno if you were around when I uploaded them but we got the first five chapters of Tantraloka.

...soon to be the whole thing.

>>18110482
>4chan is the perfect place for this trash can.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ch5ZCGi0PQ

>>18110729
You realize all the texts you idiots study are fabrications from the victorian era by bored dandies right? None of this shit is real.

You fell for a trap and are now building a mental fortress of psychoses to justify it.

>>18110712
Just yesterday I spoke with someone that practices Druidic rites, by profession he is an Archaeologist.
Zoroastrianism is dead? Someone should tell those people tending to the Sacred Fires that they are in fact, dead.
I practice my own contrived system, my day job is in Biophysics.

Understand this. Majik is simply phenomena that we as of yet do not have the capacity to understand, systemitize, categorize, and conform in formula. If you had told a Biologist in 40 years ago that there is a Magnetic Field emanated from the body which can be measured, they would call you a fucking pseudoscientific quack. But guess what? There is.

Majik a mix of Applied Phenomena and part Philosophy. It most certainly has it's place in a worldly man's life.

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>>18110736
Um, maybe you should pick through the library more. We've got the Sloane MSS. Piles of Bablyonian and early grimoire material. Just about all the vamacarana material I can find in English.

But, sure, w/e sacrifices your goat, friend.

>>18110740
>my day job is in Biophysics
I love that these threads attract so many scholars. That makes:
>archaeology
>engineering
>mathematics
>psych
>philosophy
And now you.

Some east eurofag did his thesis out of my Warburg Microfilms, and I forget what Aghori up there does when he's not sucking rotten cerebrospinal fluid.

>>18110744
None of those are real texts. If you can prove the provenance of a single one that doesn't include "comes from dead guy's library..." I would be amazed.

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>>18110749
Here's your (you).

>>18110748
Eh I think it's that the more you know, the more you come to realize that we as a civilization truly know near nothing. Which tends to draw you into Esoteric Studies.

While you're here, this has been a question I've been meaning to ask. If say one would wish to channel the 74 Current, what would be the best starting point. Or is it best to just go straight to seeking consultation from Entities.

>>18110762
>74 Current
You'd need to get mores specific but if I'm to take you at the most literal and basic assumptions then I'd actually recommend you start with Liber Reguli plus entity work and see where/how your feels take you. Beware that variant names for Iesod enumerate to 74 so make sure you don't wind up lingering low on the Tree.

>LMD, Lamed, an expansion of 30. Reads “By equilibrium and self-scrifice, the Gate!” Thus useful. Also 74 = 37 x 2. So we see

>37 x 1 = 37, Man’s crown, Jechidah, the highest Soul—”in termino.”
>37 x 2 = 74, The Balance, 2 being the symbol in viâ.
>37 x 3 = 111, Aleph, etc., 3 being the Mother, the nurse of the soul.
>37 x 4 = 148, “The Balances,” and so on. I have not yet worked out all the numbers of this important scale.

>>18110771
Yes, that was pretty much what I was looking for, or well rather, you reaffirmed my own inklings.

Aside from the negative tie to the 9th Sephirot, 74 I believe holds great promise in furthering understanding of the Balance in All-Things, in particular the tie between Balance and Knowledge is interesting to me or well, us.

>>18110799
>negative tie to the 9th Sephirot, 74 I believe holds great promise in furthering understanding of the Balance
Yuh, you want Reguli.
I rarely recommend this but you want Ken Grant. Go look up your klipotic paths around Iesod.

BUT FIRST pathwork from 231 through Teth (meaning: make at least one pass around Tifaret first).

The sexual praxes appear to be particularly useful for putting you at the averse side of Iesod, so partner up.

>>18110808
Mmm, yes. This shall certainly be a challenge.

>Partner Up
[Insert IX joke]

>>18110496
This isn't an argument. You're wrong.

>>18110563
He's right but some people's path is to wander until they realize for themselves why he is right. Just saying "He's right. Do it." won't help someone with a wandering eye due to ignorance of the "What and why."

Can't put old wine into new wineskins,

>>18110712
Take it down a notch, hoss.

>>18110771
>>18110799
>>18110808
Magick should not be academic.

>>18110718
Fear is the mind killer, not feels.
You can be detached from your emotions while still feeling them.

You're even worse at this shit than I thought

>>18110901
I think I gave him more work than reading.

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>>18110733
Don't try to compare yourself with me. I am the voice; the andeongenous progenitor of the great work who has mastered the universe through the power of Human Magic. I invented the Kabbalah you use. I invented the world you're a part of. I created you. I exist and don't exist at the same time. I have no limitations.

http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Absolute_Existence

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>>18110953
>compare yourself with me

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>>18110942
>Mfw you didn't even get my sarcasm
Trashu
Cannu

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>>18110971
>>18110971
>implying I'm not playing 93 dimensional post-ironic enochian chess
>>>/wsg/1270391

I like how the trolls first complain that the thread shouldn't be
>Thoth's attention arena: the thread
but then try desparately to garner his attention and get precious (you)'s


If you're so above him then why feed him loosh?

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>>18111005
Really the trolls are just free bumps I ain't gotta make, after this many years.

DO I need the circle for goetic work or can I get away with just the triangle? JSK seems to think circles are for pussies.

I just enjoy shitposting, personally. I can't speak for others but I would wager many others just enjoy shitposting.

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>>18110997
>Only 93 dimensions
Step it up Nirvana-Kouhai

>>18111023
I think he thinks that because he's worked his ass off and carries any number of circles embedded in his ruach.

>he'd slap me for using the kabbalistic notion of this
Moreover, he's worked plenty of texts that don't even use circles. My advice is to use whatever the thing you're simulating does until you get a bird's-eye understanding of how and why to use a circle.

>>18111024
I know I do!

How do I cast fireball?

Can I use find item to locate valuable gem deposits?

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>>18111106
Didn't you ask this last thread or are you a new mongoloid?

>>18111121
Mongoloid is an interesting term, for in western parlance it has become an insult, but the actual peoples it refers to are rated equal to Caucasians in general intelligence tests.

It's kind of interesting that a term that refers to many cultures that /x/'s beliefs are borrowed from is so often used as an insult.

>>18111138
Quite.
But the last few times someone asked this I directed them to the 2E Blackcover PHB.

I dunno why folks come in these threads to ask about their favorite shitty MOBA and expect NOT to be called mean things with insensitive words.

>>18111106
You can cast fireballs in the astral realm. Some people also swear you can do irl hadokens by manipulating psi or whatever they want to call it. Personally, I'm a bit dubious about the latter claim but you are free to check it out if that's your ultimate goal.

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Bump

Reading up on Gnosticism, how do I become an ascetic Abba - denounce the physical world; and live with God in the desert in this modern era?

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>>18111233

my 2 cents: ive been in these threads for like two weeks and have alreeady learned important things. some of you are very kind and helpful including the ape
thank you

>>18110563
Thoth, can you put all these books in one folder? The search function isn't working for me.

>>18111287
Why would I facilitate some of the shittiest and uneducated advice I've ever seen?

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is there anywhere online i can find Initiation Into Hermetics by Bardon?
or isit new age bs?

>>18111295
>>18111287
>>18110563
Actually lemme break down WHY I won't.

Let's take the snapshot from /fringe/.

The only book I have by Atkinson is Kybalion and I think it's still in the beginner's folder.

I removed all Bardon.

The friendly anon in that image then shitposts against Gnostic shit, relating it with aliens when there's nothing of the sort in the corpus, which would correct most of the errors of Atkinson and Bardon.
Then he shitposts against psychological shit forgetting that New Thought (Atkinson's school of 'philosophy') was largely a self help/psychotherapeutic movement on par with Christian Science.

Posts like that are what happens when people skim through entry level material and decide they don't need the rest of history or philosophy because they figured everything out and have the mysteries of the universe in their hand.

>>18111329
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bardon+initiation+into+hermetics+pdf

Yes, it's trash. It's neither Hermetic in the Greek, Neoplatonic, or Kabbalistic sense, nor Initiatory in the sense of mystery cults or freemasonry.

It does however mangle concepts of the tarot and the tattvas, and give exercised that can be found in more focused source materials, like Abramelin.

>>18111340
thanks ape ill take your word for it.
is the Corpus Hermeticum pretty much number one then as far as raw knowledge that can be obtained/decoded? sorry for the noob questions

It would seem that the mega has undergone some major revisions.

Is there an "easier" way than mulling through everything? To see what I already have, don't have, and possibly don't "need" anymore?
>>18111340
>Like Franz Bardon's stuff?

>>18111359
It's not the end-all be-all of mysticism but CH and the associated Neoplatonic, Gnostic, and Hermetic materials are the actual core cornerstone of the philosophy and practices, and as such they should take priority over most anyone else's opinion or "Idiot's Guide".

If CH is getting a bit wooly for you, you can take a step back, crack open "Chaldean Oracles of Zoroaster", and what happened with that book is that over the centuries various fragments from CH, Iamblichus, etc., etc., etc., got jumbled together almost like a Burroughs style 'cut up' in which various ideas related between the books but not presented together were compiled in one presentation.

It's neither Chaldean, or Zoroastrian, but I find it to be very very Dao-like in content, philosophy, and structure.

Someone on this board recommended "Ars Vercanus" by the Wennergrens as a good place to start. Do you all agree?

I also picked up Paul Huson's "Mastering Witchcraft".

>>18111550
>Ars Vercanus
If you're into experimental tranny magick, go for it. I don't actually mean this as an insult, either, Immanion publishes Storm Constantine's shit.

>>18111550
>Paul Huson's "Mastering Witchcraft"
Lord that's an obscure one, but still a synchretism of contemporary practices, largely. If you're actually really interested in this stuff hit up Carlo Ginzburg or maybe Norman Cohn and get back to me.

>>18111565
>experimental tranny magick
What does that even mean?

Do you have any particular recommendations from Ginzburg and Cohn?

>>18111616
>Ginzburg
Deciphering the Witches Sabbath and Europe's Inner Demons.

These will give you a rough basic foundation through which to approach what's called 'traditional craft', or attempts and coming to a modern synchretism of folk practices with modern(ish) thought, outside the fluffy realm of non-initiatory Wicca or general purpose paganism.

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Is there a way to use emotional pain to achieve gnosis? Any ideas for using it constructively? Book recommendations on this would be awesome

Also if you don't answer this question then you're a fag so you better answer it

>>18111639
Added to my cart, thanks anon. It's tough to find stuff that isn't extremely fluffy.

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>>18111639
I may as well fill you guys in on what I'm waiting for, with some context:

Soror Pasht Akhti & Frater Anshar were members of the original Cultus Sabbati when first formed by Andrew Chumbley. In addition, they were founder members of the Column, the inner group which developed and worked the system of rituals that formed the Dragon Book of Essex and also the Ku-Sebittu the ritual group that united members of the Cultus Sabbati and the Typhonian O.T.O. Their collection has been made available:

Dragon Book of Essex - Books and Ritual Texts - the Work of the Column
Ku- Sebittu Ritual Texts
Serpent Cross Ritual Texts
Other Typescripts
Artwork
Books
Ephemera
Journals

These items give insight into the nature of the Cultus Sabbati and its magickal workings. The artwork is especially informative, recording astral perceptions of magical workings, the dreams and visions which inspired and resulted from the magic and are explorations of the nature of the beings contacted and the workings undertaken.

Each item is accompanied by a large format catalogue with high coloured plates and monochrome illustrations of artwork from the collection. It has 8pp of high quality coloured plates, 8pp of monochrome illustrations and 20pp of text. Whilst the outer cover is black with a printed label, internally it carries reproductions of fourteen wonderful drawings of Andrew Chumbley's hands giving magical gestures. These are lovingly executed in truly extraordinary detail. Three of these drawings formed a chapter of the Dragon Book of Essex, entitled Encheirogramma of Hand-gestures and Postures, which is present in the Inner edition of ten copies that were circulated amongst initiates but is missing from the recently published outer edition. The catalogue also gives a concise description of diagram by Andrew titled Attributions of the Dragon-stars to the parts of the hand, also missing from the Outer edition.

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>>18111661

The three forms of the Outer Edition (which has additional illustrations and other material) may be regarded as the fruit of magickal endeavour which commenced more than twenty years ago. The trunk and branches which bear this fruit is formed by the ten copies of the Inner Edition which were passed to inititates almost twenty years ago. The Inner Edition has a short additional chapter, missing from the Outer Edition, consisting of three illustrations and their headings. This collection includes the three original drawings with their titles, plus also a further eleven related drawings. These are reproduced in this catalogue. If the Outer edition is the fruits, the Inner Edition the trunk and branches then surely the roots from whence the Dragon Book grew are the series magical workings, usually taking place out in the woods, which were performed by Column, the inner group of the Cultus. Of course these are actions and experiences that are specific to those ritualists who participated, a time that has gone and a place that is not here. But the ritual texts that were taken out and used are physically existant objects that bear abiding witness to those workings which initiated the process of earthing the Dragon; the creation of the Dragon Book. They show how the rituals developed, with numerous variations to the published versions; and that Soror Pasht Akhti & Frater Anshar were crucially involved. When the Dragon Book was published, Andrew acknowledged their contribution, above all others, writing:-

Most especial honour and appreciation must be accorded to P.·. A.·. – a True Priestess, unsurpassed in these Mysteries – for her wisdom, loyalty and exemplary devotion in practise; all of which have been instrumental in the fruition of this present work.

Appreciation must likewise be shown to A.·., for his good counsel and fraternity, and for teaching that he does not claim to know.

What I've bought:

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>>18111666
>666
Hail To Mega Therion, the Great and Wild Beast, and is companion, the Harlot Saint.

>Tan, The Rite of Draco-Taos being the Mystery of the Peacock-angel and the Four Watchers, 58 A4 sheets printed on one side on slide binder. A small annotation in pen dates this as ’96 and it is undoubtedly an earlier form of the ritual. It is a different typesetting from the Inner Edition and the text is somewhat variant. The published edition gives more detail concerning the significance of components of the ritual, presumably for the benefit of the armchair reader whilst this text is perhaps for participants only. There are also differences in the arrangement and occasionally the wording of the ritual rubric. The diagram of the nature of the magical circles is an earlier form but is faint and nearly illegible. Unidentified stains suggest that this too was a working text.

>Ia, The Thu’ban Rite, being the Grand Stellar Convocation of the Dragon’s Brood, 20 A4 sheets printed on one side. 27 pencilled annotations including date “’97" on top sheet and sometimes quite detailed instructions for ritual action, Diagram of circles absent, as is all second circle rites. This text was substantially rewritten for the two published versions, and is quite variant.

>>I, The Rite of the Draconian Oracle, Preliminary Comment [lacking the rite proper], Three Ways and the Three Times, Being the Commentary upon the Rite of the Draconian Oracle [ie Mysteries of the Black Sun, Black Moon and Black Earth]. Also The Teachings and Practice of Azh’ra-Kala, also called “The Perpetual Turning of the Empty Hour-glass”, 51 and 8 sheets, printed on one side in slide binder. Both texts are exactly as typeset in the private edition of 10 copies (but do not appear beside each other there) except this version of the Turning of the Empty Hour-glass lacks one brief section that was presumably a later addition. Some grubbiness to back cover suggests practical use.

>>18111005
You know Anonymous isn't a single, mysterious person, right?

>>18111649
...but no really can I get an answer to this? Some recommended reading or something?

>>18111724
"Kanaima and the poetics of a violent death"?

>>18111730
Thanks man. Is that in the mega? I'm looking online but I can't find it anywhere. Also what's the question mark for?

>>18111748
https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Shamans-Kanaima-Poetics-Violent/dp/0822329883

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>>18111771
*online for free*

>>18111774
Made it online? Last I checked it was only In Darkness and Secrecy that was in pdf format.

I bought mine. That sometimes what you gotta do with books you wanna read. I mean, I do everything I can to provide access to materials, mate.

Anyone here watch styxhexenhammer666? Some of it is interesting but he seems a bit amateurish imo

>>18111778
You could remove the book's spine and scan the whole thing and post it online, and if you don't you're jewish. /s

>>18111782
He's not bad. Not great, but not bad. He contributed the copy I have of Steiner's Occult Philosophy of Blood. Used to post around here. Really it's best to read around the currents and draw your own conclusions.

>>18111790
I've scanned a couple books now without sacrificing the spine.

I should try to pick up a cheap scanner this weekend because I still need to post Secret School of Wisdom.

>>18111794
illuminati confirmed

>>18110771
Incredible coincidence as I just fashioned this week my yesod dagger to represent the universe by the letter Lamed.

any books on absolutely mental-only magick practice? i know chaos magick is of that mindset but most of the books are still written from a pov of utilizing physical practices to support mental ones. "draw the sigil, masturbate to the sigil"...does not resonate with me at all.

>>18112224
Might I recommend Thundersqueak? Ignore the subtitle: (confessions of a right-wing anarchist)

How initiated can one get one's self without the presence of the other? I've never met anyone to train under. Amd yet, I know not how to gauge my own enlightenment. Anyone up for discussion?

>>18110733
Hara Hara Mahadev!
Wasnt here but ill sure give a good look.
TgfAT

Thang god for ape of thoth, tbqh

>>18110748
Im studying clinical psych tbqh.

>>18110729
>Experiencing a resurgence if our resident Zoroastrians are to be believed.

Our Kurdish brothers and sisters seem to be returning to their roots.

>I'm not even burned out

Impressive.

>>18110740
>Understand this. Majik is simply phenomena that we as of yet do not have the capacity to understand, systemitize, categorize, and conform in formula.

Don't play with your food.

>>18110901
>Magick should not be academic.

It should be, if you want to play with the pros.

>>18111661
Well hello game changer

>>18112723
Yup.
As soon as the materials dislodge from customs I'll be thumbing through the gestures to see what I should post.

I imagine I'm NOT going to post the contents of the rites (until shortly before resell ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ) to preserve value, and frankly, I doubt the variant content is going to be that earth-shattering; I'm mostly grabbing typescripts because I'm not going to pay 2k for telismatic editions when I can get typescripts comparatively cheap which are covered in fluids of the original quadriga (including Chumbley), Helen Oliver's pencil notes, ritual powders, and dirt from the Essex countryside.

>>18112731
>>18112723
tbqh, I'm probably only going to post the Pentalphic Signs, if they're explicitly present, as they're the most common gestures through all of Chumbley's ritual texts, that way there's no more ambiguity about Black Oracle, either in Azoetia or the Dragon Book.

>>18110953
>Don't try to compare yourself with me.

kek

>>18111040
>I think he thinks that because he's worked his ass off and carries any number of circles embedded in his ruach.

Or he's really as cracked as he sometimes appears. Even Smokey's more stable.

>>18111565
>I don't actually mean this as an insult, either,

*lols inappropriately*

>>18112268
>Amd yet, I know not how to gauge my own enlightenment. Anyone up for discussion?

In general, when the student is ready, the teacher will come. Study and do what you can on your own and don't lose faith.

>>18112731
>I'm mostly grabbing typescripts because I'm not going to pay 2k for telismatic editions when I can get typescripts comparatively cheap which are covered in fluids of the original quadriga (including Chumbley), Helen Oliver's pencil notes, ritual powders, and dirt from the Essex countryside.

Taking it to the next level?

>>18112769
>Taking it to the next level?
More or less.
I wanna go through TAN and see if I can parse out which wordings are closer to Samekh, and which are closer to Agrippa.

>>18110147

Ay yo hol up. you guys casting fire spells n shit? Hook a nigga up

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>>18110157
Depends what you mean specifically.

Some topics for you to google:
>Gnosticism
>Christian Qabalah
>Catharism
>Martinism
>Quietism
>Hesychasm
>Quakerism


That should give an idea of how broad an umbrella 'Esoteric Christianity' is

>>18111616
>Ginzburg

The Night Battles is fucking great, read it while in college

>>18112793

The suggestion is that there was real progress during this last cycle, even though it seemed to fizzle.

>>18112821
>Miguel Molinos
>The Spiritual Exercises of St Ignatius Loyola.

>>18112884
This cycle still isn't done.
I'm on another 40 days of contemplation.

Ten days 'till the Equinox.

>>18112916
If the text is to be believed, then you have 14 days of charging the Phoenix Vessel between IA and KU.

After KU things are supposed to go silent, more or less, as the LA rites and the contemplations before and after crystallize the attainment. TAN then directly taps into the quarter guardians and the Phoenix transformed via fire into the Peacock Angel.

My feathers should be here in a couple hours.

>>18112916
>>18112926

I was thinking of your toad. That cycle.

>>18113025
The Toad has been teasing me; he's been appearing when I have neither the time nor tools to seal the deed.

I'm half done, tho, all I need is an ilium to proceed.

>>18113031

That shouldn't be funny, but somehow...

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Just finished watching the Constantine series.
Can anybody recommend me a good movie or series to watch?

>>18113031
Have you done the graveyard yet?

>>18113237
Nope.
Need an ilium.
Managed to scavenge the scapula from what was left of the corpse. Once I get the ilium on a bead rope, I can go from there.

I've got this extra femur and a dremel, I MAY try to simulate Chumbley's human bone rosary.

>>18112262
thanks anon i'll check it out.

Why isn't /omg/ around 24/7 anymore?

Also, what do you all think of Robert Anton Wilson? Do you recommend reading Prometheus Rising or the Illuminatus! trilogy first?

>>18113210
I highly recommend reading Hellblazer. It gets more into the esoteric stuff than the show, is better than the show (which is fun, sure), and has 300 issues.

>>18113607
>Why isn't /omg/ around 24/7 anymore?
Because the semester started, just like every other few months for the last four or five years.

Read Illuminatus first.

>>18113616
I keep hearing it's great.

All I can do is divination and sigils. I don't want to fall into the stereotype of "chaos magician beats off on sigils and thinks he's a mighty wizard" or whatever. What should I learn next?

>>18110748
If being a grad student counts, you can add anthropology to the list.

>>18113747
Astrology. I can't think of anyone I know that doesn't hate astrology, so it's the best to work on. Unless you like astrology, then just pick anything.

>>18113825
Wait. So you're saying be sure it's something I hate? Why?

>>18114030
It seems to be beneficial to be good at a couple things you like and mediocre at something you don't instead of being good at a couple things you like and knowing fuckall about something you don't. This just ensures that you actually have knowledge of it it already should you start liking it or find it useful in the future. Yoga really needs to be at the top of the list regardless, unless you like it in which case I recommend powerlifting.

>>18114044
I would go further and say do both from the start as weight-training really does help with the tensity you need in some works.

As for keeping yourself in that discomfort zone, I agree, even if it's something that becomes harder and harder to keep doing. Always questioning, always striving, always challenging.

A Word on Yoga; I've found that assuming from the Padmasana a clasped hand position and then attempting to tense and keep tense every muscle in the upper body for increasingly prolonged periods of time is something you never truly become comfortable with, in that sense it transcends even Dwi Pada Sirasana.

I agree on Astrology though. Shit was a massive pain. Even though for me personally learning the deeper elements in the Tree of Life and the Aethyrs was by far the biggest pain.

Is it possible to do love magic without controlling anyone's mind? I don't have a specific woman in mind. I just want to substantially increase the likelihood of meeting someone I'll click with.

I'm social as it is, and relatively outgoing. But I've been single for about a year and a half, and I'm sick of it.

>>18114669
Yes. Think of it as acting as a magnet. It's when you try to make some exact person love you that some fuckery is involved.
As par the course though; if you haven't attempted to deal with your problem in the sheer physical manner, do that first. Semen Retention, etc..

So, when we respond to a situation in a certain way (in the absence of coercion) it isn't considered a violation of our free will. If someone smiles at me and I find them charming, that is different than if they somehow magically controlled my mind to make me find them charming.

I want to create a sigil that will cause circumstances most conducive to someone becoming infatuated with me, rather than creating one to "make" the person become infatuated with me.

What's the best way to phrase such a sigil?

>>18114844
I Will that those who seek LOVE be drawn to me.

[By no means a Kaosmajik expert, and if the resident experts are around I invite them to correct. But the above phrasing should work.]

>>18111661
>>18111666
>>18111684
Wtf exactly is the purpose of these gay rituals? Chumbley literally made this shit up 30 years ago and then suddenly died.

Why bother with them?

>>18114669
don't do it man
just don't, use a dating site

i regret it so much

>>18115332
Mind elaborating? What happened? Why do you regret it?

>>18115357
let's just say i am madly in love with someone who i barely know despite them moving to a different city and i can't move on

Anybody here read Paul Kurtz's The Transcendental Temptation? As far as skeptic philosophy texts go its pretty solid. I personally have never had anything unexplained, or mystical occur throughout my life that wasn't a natural phenomena. My experience with reading accounts of the supernatural leads me to question the veracity and frankly the credibility of most people who claim experiential encounters with anything supernatural.

I'm not trying to be overly combative, but most of the people I've encountered in real life who actually believe or practice any form of mystic religion or "magic system" are frankly not the sharpest tools in the shed.

The only arguments I've seen against the skeptic viewpoint are "but you don't know that one time I took mushrooms", or some kind of response with no meat that implies they know something when in fact they have no answers.

>>18115456
>I'm not trying to be combative, but you people are fucking stupid.
The study of the phenomonology of the religious/mystical experience has been a valid avenue of academic elaboration for over 100 years.

Not sure why people like to gripe about that field ITT rather than enact their convictions and lobby congress to defund all university programs that aren't science or business.

For what it's worth, I'm weary of the Transcendental program as well. Hence my study of tantrik groups with a notion of 'liberation while living'.

>>18115017
>>18112731
>I'm mostly grabbing typescripts because I'm not going to pay 2k for telismatic editions when I can get typescripts comparatively cheap which are covered in fluids of the original quadriga (including Chumbley), Helen Oliver's pencil notes, ritual powders, and dirt from the Essex countryside.

>>18116132
Seriously, wtf is the appeal of chumbley? His "tradition" is quite literally made up in every sense of the word and invokes nasty ass energy from shady parts of the sky which was probably what killed him.

>>18116213

Jeezus. Someone's diaper wants changing.

>>18116213
>quite literally made up in every sense of the word
Then why are the first two Signs of the Crossroads incredibly important to A.'.A.'. initiatory theory?

Why are there four uses of wytchbottles in the year?

Why do Black Sun and TAN deal almost entirely Agrippan quarter guardians?

Why does the first major ritual after Black Sun include a mirror of Pyramidos' gilding of the light?

Why does the second include major comment on the nature of Akhet?

Why does the contemplation praxis afterward have you visualizing sleeping in the Golden Dawn's Vault of Adepthood?

Why does the Behenian circle use Agrippa's traditional sigils?

Why is there a Kaula styled trishul adoration in LA?

Maybe read about the things you're shitposting about next time.

Which one of you meme-loving fucks can tell me if I've had a love spell placed on me? I've looked places and all I found was those 'pay-for-spell' shill websites that don't really explain shit. I don't want to cast one, I want to figure out if I have one and how to remove it if I do.

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>>18116251
Banish morning and evenings and call us tomorrow.

>>18116257
What do you mean by this?

>>18116246
>CS has rituals styled after other traditions
Amazing. I guess that makes it authentic, huh?

If I compile aspects of other traditions and give it a new name, does it then make it an authentic tradition? Go ahead and play with your edgy draco claws.

>>18116262
>Amazing. I guess that makes it authentic, huh?
Given the pile of initiations Chumbley collected, which entail knowledge lectures on the aforementioned symbols and practices?
Yes.

>>18116260
Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram
Star Ruby

>>18116267
>being a cuck to titles and claims of authority
And yet he died of asthma at age 37. Clearly, chumbley was quite an adept.

If you can't produce results, then your methods are useless.

>>18116267
To be blunt, I'd go so far as to say that Chumbley represents the first true "advancement" of the Western tradition as a whole since Crowley.

The playing with the keywords of the vault implies a direct thread, from LVX in Dee to IAO in the Golden Dawn to OAI/NOX in Crowley and finally to XON/??? in Chumbley.

I'm *hoping* the gestures and postures material shed light on that final usage.

>>18116279
Isaac Luria died at 38, friend.
I'd need to know the details to the level of initiation Chumbley got into Kaula, but frankly I don't buy the 'lineage retribution' story. It's well known that Mahendranath lost his shit and had oxygen problems spurring a paranoia that left him denouncing Lokanath.
There was a period of, it looks like, over ten years between him starting a line and things going south with Mahendranath's line.

It looks like his death was swift, and comparatively painless when we look at people like Germer. I imagine he was dead before he had time to wake up.

Sometimes, the other side needs you more than this side.

>>18116294
>I'd need to know the details to the level of initiation Chumbley got into Kaula
Clearly not very far, because enough pranayama will cure asthma.

He most likely died because he invoked energies from stars that there is 0 information on, just for the sake of being edgy. That's playing with fire. Or he pissed off the entity that claims to be Qayin by pretending to be his prophet more or less.

>>18116399
>Clearly not very far, because enough pranayama will cure asthma.

Unlikely.

>>18116399
>enough pranayama will cure asthma
Didn't work for Bennett. Only thing that helped was full blown climate change.

>stars there are zero information on
Except in all these Arabic grimoires and in Agrippa.

The only prophet Chumbley appears to have claimed to be was of the Songs of Silence, hence: Alogos.

If you can fish a claim with backbone from the materials, it'd be appreciated.

>>18116442
>Didn't work for Bennett.
Kapalabhati every morning greatly lessens my allergies, so I'm sure it can be done.

>Except in all these Arabic grimoires and in Agrippa.
Off the top of my head, I'm pretty sure Agrippa doesn't even mention Draco once, not to mention all the stars that make up the constellation.

Nature punishes retards who do dumb shit like chumbley. Invoke evil energy from random stars, die at 37.

>>18116500
>histamine sensitivity
>acute and long term violent spasms of the pulmonary muscles

Neat false equivalency.

But he mentions all the other Behenian fixed stars that make up about 1/3rd of the Stellar Transvokation.

In any case I think I'm going to get back on scanning Secret School.

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What do you all think of postmodern approaches to magic?

In particular, I intend to evoke (or maybe invoke, if I'm feeling daring) Booster Gold in an effort to make myself more charismatic.

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>>18116526
Is it possible to transfer souls between two vessels without them ever coming in contact?

Why is incest illegal?

>>18116526
BoosterGold literally had to flee his own era to try and get some limelight. He's sorely lacking in self confidence, his charisma is fake.

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>>18116529
Souls' forms are fundamentally connected to the bodies. Even if there is such a thing as a "disembodied soul," if you could move it to another body, it would be radically different upon arrival. Unless the new body were identical or something.

Probably because there's such a strong social taboo surrounding it. Also possibly because it often happens in abusive contexts so it's a way to add more penalties if someone is caught doing it.

>>18116534
He grew a lot and learned some things about himself, and developed real confidence, I think. See pic related.

That said, who would you recommend instead? Please stick to DC as I don't know Marvel or any other company well enough to feel comfortable messing with it in an esoteric way.

>>18116538
If you think yoiu can evoke or invoke or whatever, fictional beings, invoke the you that you want to be. I dunno.

My only point was that Booster isnt a super confident hero, he's a guy desperate for acceptance and recognition. Like a celebrity.

>>18116500
>Kapalabhati every morning greatly lessens my allergies

This is why woowoos have such a bad rep.

>>18116409
>>18116442
Some studies show that a little pranayama helps asthma a little, fwiw

>>18116883
Got links?

>>18116894

Looks like he's right:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3017963/

>>18116526
Why not Mars or Sol?

>>18116680
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3017963/?report=printable

>>18116897
>None of the cases selected had severe symptoms.

>>18116897
Beat me.

Anyhow the Illuminati scans are going well.

>>18117015
Up to 157 from last year's 100.

>>18116982

Indeed. Still, this Anon >>18116883 was correct.

>>18117223
No, totes, I just don't think it's going to reverse bronchial restructuring in severe patients, severe being defined as life threatening episodes, and if death ain't a severe symptom, I dunno what is.

Thanks for expanding my library OP! :]

>>18117280
Well, there's more comin'.
Whaddy'all want after Secret School.
Don't think Dark Shamans has been scanned.
Just found a copy of Mirror of Simple Souls so I don't need to scan that.

I MIGHT be able to fit Blazing Dew of Stars on this scanner if I fuck around with it enough.

>>18117236

I'm not arguing with that. I just suspect that >>18116883 and >>18116399 might be different Anons.

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>>18116970
Because aesthetically, psychologically, etc., I have a much more intuitive grasp of superheroes, and because they have actually changed my life for the better before.

Before you say "they're invented, though." So what? Chairs were invented, and I'm sitting in one right now.

>>18117411
Pretty defensive about all of this. You should just step back and reevaluate yourself a bit.

>>18117015
>Anyhow the Illuminati scans are going well.

Awesome! Keep it comin'.

>>18117319
> MIGHT be able to fit Blazing Dew of Stars on this scanner if I fuck around with it enough.

That would be great, if it is possible! I can not get any of these types of books, as I am still living with my catholic parents. Siblings finding these books wouldn't be great, either.

You're one hell of a man for compiling these books and sharing this library. Of all places, too kek

>>18117643
I didn't feel defensive, but if I came across that way, I apologize.

(Deleted and re-posted because I accidentally left a trip on from another thread where it was more relevant, and didn't want to attention whore.)

>>18117685
>Of all places, too kek
Where the fuck else can I engage in hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of piracy in relative peace? Totse died loooooong ago.

Are hip hop lyrics magic?

>>18117732
>Where the fuck else can I engage in hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of piracy in relative peace?

True. Although it's a shame that there's a lot of people out there that would love the materials in the library, but don't know about. I hope more people can find out about this library than having to go through the "one true A.'.A.'."tm and ass loads of money.

>>18117796
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSz2ix4Fi7U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqcTVVUFnKQ

>>18117816
I already knew Death Grips' stuff, but that Saul Williams song... NICE.

>>18117812
>but don't know about
It's constantly turning up on reddit and tumblr.

Really, I outsource publicity to you cats.

>>18117236
>I just don't think it's going to reverse bronchial restructuring in severe patients
CS cucks btfo. Seriously, if you can't beat asthma, you have no business pretending to do magic.

>>18117853
CScucks will be double btfo when I post these unpublished initiatory gestures.

For serious, there's no adytum I cannot pierce with a bit of time and effort.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUCW_Pjs0cA

>>18117909
That song vaguely reminds me of this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQZbwfZ2pro

>>18117925
Fuck I posted the wrong tune.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAuQ8uoVAE0

>>18110394
>Practical magic is for mundanes. True magic is born from a thirst for the infinite.
Practical magic is for people who want to see results. "True magic" is bullshit born from a need for an excuse when you can't get any results.

FTFY

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>>18117950
>he still draws a fundamental distinction between cunning craft and transcendentalism
lyl
Jake Stratton Kent called, he wants his dualism back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AKlGDPHAKY

>>18117909
>CScucks
So like 8 stoned out britbongs too edgy for kenneth grant, one stoned out john redcorn museum curator too edgy for everyone, one anon who said fuck it 2 pages in and built his own witch cult only with dzogchen and pederasty, and whoever the fuck is retarded enough to pay 1200 dollars for a telesmatic PHB.

>For serious, there's no adytum I cannot pierce with a bit of time and effort.
Except the ones with the mantras you need.

Anybody here messed with the Black Pullet before? Gotten any success?

>>18118015
>Except the ones with the mantras you need.
}:^)
The key is knowing how to look.
Kaulajnananirnaya already lays everything bare, you just have to know what sounds mean.

>>18118029
No actually, make a case study for us.

I just watched this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo6x4eulY9g

And it made me wonder, can dominoes be magic? Could setting up a series of dominoes in a way that makes certain shapes, using certain numbers of dominoes in certain colors, over the course of hours and even days, just to knock them over in a glorious moment of beautiful destruction, be done in certain ways intentionally to create a magical effect?

This seems like it could be my kinda shit.

>>18118294
You want Chaos currents then.

>>18118313
Not really:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10084L3Pqsc

>>18116526
I can dig it.

>>18116970
Not him but because comic book characters are more "real" than thousand year old languages. How does Mars feel about cell phones? What websites does he like to visit? If none, what year did he stop growing?

Clearly, comic book characters are more accessible and knowable.

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>>18118317
SCHWIGGY SWAG WHATS IN THE BAG?

>>18117796
Nothing is not magic.

>>18118294
Everything is magic. The way of implementing and constraining energy to do what you want it to do can literally take infinite forms including dominoes.

About to start back up on the next block of scanning for Secret School.

Any recommended youtubers?
Styxhexenhammer666 is blocked in my country, rip.

>>18118454
Depends on what you're into.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80X0pbCV_t4

>>18118516
>Depends on what you're into.
I'm very new to this. ;_;

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>>18118294
>>18118313
Yes.

For this to work, the placement of Dominoes would have to be significant. One way to do this would be to align them under some kind of resonance chamber. Something as simple as a semi-outdoor patio, with a roof carved so as to accept sonic vibrations from the environment would do the trick. Suspend a large quartz at the focal point of the carved roof (resonance chamber) to interface with electrical <-> sonic vibrations. Put an electrically insulated floor down, so that any charge the dominoes acquire will most likely dissipate through the air, instead of via grounding. And as long as the dominoes are electrically conductive, as you work putting them in place, the combination of ambient sonic vibrations around the environment coalescing onto the quartz, producing a resonant standing electrical signal will induce an electrostatic atmosphere around the patio, that your body hairs will pick up and cause you to become able to more accurately attune yourself to the ley line configuration around the environment. Since you make physical contact with the dominoes, it will become increasingly difficult to place them in dissonant positions, as your nerves will be jumpy and misaligned if you attempt to place a domino in a position that does not harmonically synchronize with the electrostatic atmosphere.

Thus, the work of you setting up a domino configuration simultaneously trains you to pick up on harmonic resonances produced by ley lines, while creating a physical system that once collapsed will *pulse* on those ley lines, releasing a chaotic wave that carries the intention of your will on it. To help you align the intention of your chaotic wave, you could put posters around the walls of the work space around your patio, that hold symbolic significance, on an emotional level. And since humans are emotional beings, this will interface with the electrostatic atmosphere by way of the emotion <-> life energy vibrations.

201 pages into Secret School of Wisdom.

>>18119049
And I can post the dailies if y'all are that interested in the materials. May try to do a /his/ or /pol/ thread when it's complete.

Lemme know if y'all want the current master of 201 pgs, I'll post a link if you want it before midnight.

For reference:
http://www.lewismasonic.co.uk/the-secret-school-of-wisdom-the-authentic-rituals-and-doctrine-of-the-illuminati.htm

>>18110147
What should I do with all the .part files?

>>18119063
post it

Is there any safe way to do an evocation in absence of the space and materials necessary for a circle around you and everything for the Lesser Key stuff?

If so, advice on a spirit to help me focus? I don't have the money to be on any kind of prescription pills for it, before you suggest that, and I'm in grad school and need to get better at focusing on my work for longer periods of time.

>>18120157
>I'm in grad school and need to get better at focusing on my work for longer periods of time.

Forget evocation, unless you have the skills, space, and materials. What you need is to start meditating. Google, "zazen".

>>18120172
Thanks!

>>18120191

Even hatha yoga might help. Posture affects your ability to concentrate.

>>18120200
Yeah, trataka in siddha or padmasana.

>>18119237
>all
Where?

>>18120088
Last night's master. 201 pages. The first 100 or so are still grainy but not illegible. I'm not scanning the first 100 pgs again. If you want a cleaner copy go buy the fuckin' book.

This details through the Illuminai version of Fellowcraft, maybe Scottish Novice.

I'll be deleting and replacing it as I finish dailies, then post it as a regular part of library updates.

https://mega.nz/#!pRJHQYIZ!yD6UiDmFVq6XCAPgwg0-2G2gPvQ021A4tqbKtZ8uQm8

>>18120413
>The Secret School of Wisdom - The Authentic Rituals and Doctrines of the Illuminati is a pioneering text, a full working manual of the Order, and an astounding insight into the world's most intriguing secret society.

>For more than two hundred years, the world has held a prejudiced view of the Illuminati. Much has been claimed for and against the Order - its name synonymous with secrecy, intrigue, and mystery in the modern context, despite a poverty of concrete evidence in the English language. Little has been said about the factual structure and development through its life cycle. The Secret School of Wisdom - The Authentic Rituals and Doctrines of the Illuminati, is a ground-breaking text. It marks the first time that a comprehensive ritual book for the society has been re-assembled. Every degree, its instruction and associated texts, has been included and assembled in chronological order of progression. The reader is guided along the same path as many of Germany's most enlightened men, as they were in the years immediately prior to the French Revolution.

>Much of this material has never been published - let alone translated into English. Supplemental texts are included to gain further historical insight into the Order and all documents have been checked for accuracy with the original archival texts.

>>18120422
So, if the Illuminati really exists at present, is it actually the name of the super secret world-ruling elites or is it just another esoteric organization that happens to have drawn a lot of attention despite being shrouded in mystery.

Wait...
>mfw they cultivated the myth that they rule the world in order to use that belief for power

>>18120487
The Bavarian Perfectibilists died before 1800, and the only reason anyone still talks about them is because some 19th C. equivalent of an /x/fag had his tinfoil molded so tightly to his skull he decided to lie as hard as he could about the who and why of the organization to prove they were responsible for the French Revolution (not at all, said old-timey conspiracyfag combined two unrelated historical figures, one a revolutionary, one from the Illuminati, into a single person).

The only way 'pure' Illuminism gets reactivated is if someone takes the book I'm scanning and starts practicing the rites again.

>>18120494

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustin_Barruel

>>18120498
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustin_Barruel

>Retellings of the death of Lanz, an Illuminati courier, who was struck by lightning in Abschrift [Apologie, p. 229], illustrate the mythology that has grown up around the history of the Illuminati. Lack of research and a disdain for historical accuracy has led conspiracy theorists to confuse Johann Jakob Lanz, a non-Illuminati secular priest in Erding, and friend of Weishaupt, with Franz Georg Lang, a court advisor in Eichstätt who was active in the Illuminati under the name Tamerlan.

>Barruel mistakenly translated "Weltpriester", or secular priest, as apostate priest and subsequent writers such as Webster and Miller have repeated this error. Eckert renamed Weishaupt’s friend as Lanze and had him struck by lightning while carrying dispatches in Silesia. Miller cited Eckert but renamed Lanz as Jacob Lang and placed the lightning strike in Ratisbon. The importance of the papers found on Lanz has also been over-stressed, considering that his death on 10 July 1785 came some time after the first two edicts for suppression — issued on 22 June 1784 and 2 March 1785 — and some time before the mid-October 1786 raids on Zwack and Bassus, and the final edict on 16 August 1787. This is a minor detail in the history but it illustrates the lack of accuracy often displayed by detractors of the Illuminati.

>7. "Among his adepts was one LANZ, an apostate priest. Weishaupt designed him as the person to carry his mysteries and conspiracies into Selesia. His mission was already fixed, and Weishaupt was giving him his last instructions, when a thunder-bolt from Heaven struck the apostate dead, and that by the side of Weishaupt. The Brethren, in their first fright, had not recourse to their ordinary means for diverting the papers of the deceased adept from the inspection of the magistrate. [footnote] See the Apology of the Illuminees, P. 62." Barruel. p. 244.

>>18120504
>Cf.: "When my late friend Lanz was struck by lightning at my side in the year 1785 in Regensburg, what an opportunity this could have provided me to play the penitent and remorseful hypocrite, and thus gain the confidence of my persecutors." trans. from : "Als im Jahre 1785 in Regensburg mein seeliger Freund Lanz an meiner Seite vom Blitz ersclagen wurde, welche Gelegenheit hätte ich gehabt, den reumütigen und bußfertigen Heuchler zu machen und auf diese Art das Zutrauen meiner Verfolger zu erwerben?" Kurze Rechtfertigung meiner Absichten. Frankfurt and Leipzig, 1787. Quoted in Die Illuminaten, Quellen und Text zur Aufklärungsideologie des Illuminatenordens (1776-1785) Herausgegeben von Jan Rachold. Berlin: Akademie-Verlag, 1984. p. 363. Also see pp. 127, 132, 140, 150-160, 168 for Franz Georg Lang.

So, like, nice try, Barruel, but history pushes your shit in.

What do you all think is the best fiction that covers esoteric topics?

For my money:

>Anything by Robert Anton Wilson
>Anything by Grant Morrison
>Hellblazer
>True Detective (arguably)

That's all I have right now, though. I'd love some more trippy, postmodern urban fantasy/horror like Hellblazer, though.

>>18120514
RAW's Illuminatus!
This:
http://unsongbook.com/

>>18120510
>So, like, nice try, Barruel, but history pushes your shit in.

Yep. I don't see him as much of a proto-/x/-phile. He strikes me as more a of straight-up propagandist. Robison, however, seemed like a bit of a crackpot in his later years. The 'proof' of his conspiracy theories came from Barruel and this dude:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Horn

>>18120547
>Yep. I don't see him as much of a proto-/x/-phile.
Proto /pol/nigger then?

>>18120552

Or one of their FSB handlers, yeah.

No matter what I do, I'm always like, "meh. No big deal." I very, VERY seldom feel proud of myself. I finished the GRE in half the time allotted and scored on the 98th percentile on one section, the 73rd on another, and the 56th on the last. But I was never really proud of it. I just knew other people would be impressed, which is what I wanted. I rely too heavily on the opinions of others.

In addition, I have moved 25+ times in my 29 years of life, and my mother is on her fourth marriage. Basically everyone I've ever cared about has left my life as a result.

These two things combine such that I feel the need to constantly impress and amaze other people for fear that if I don't, they'll either get bored of me and leave, or everyone will think I'm worthless and a joke. I don't care what strangers think, but the second someone becomes important enough to me that I realize their opinion matters to me and I want them to like me, I become terrified and immediately start operating under the assumption that they don't.

So what I want is some magic to make me just a little impressed with myself. Something to make me feel like it's good to be me, and to stop operating under the assumption that people judge me way more harshly than they judge anyone else.

Already going to start seeing a therapist. Any recommendations on top of that?

>>18120561
>I finished the GRE in half the time allotted and scored on the 98th percentile on one section, the 73rd on another, and the 56th on the last. But I was never really proud of it.
Shit, nigga, you should.
My GRE was just north of average but holy goddamn that was such a fucked up series of days. I was going to retake it if I started getting rejections. Looks like the weight of my previous scholastic work carried me through.

I've moved about 15 times. My family and I aren't on speaking terms, really.

>already in therapy
Good.

If you haven't started yoga do that. If you have, start assuming Godforms of entities with healthy amounts of pride (no Set or Apophis here). Sit in your asana, get liminal, build the image of the godform in your mind, and try to transfer the seat of your consciousness to the simulacrum while assuming just enough of their mindset to not dissociate or break into Samadhi (first limit is for beginners, latter is for the very experienced).

Is there any golden dawn today that isn't mom's spaghetti? Or is it possible to self initiate into the golden dawn tradition and not be mom's spaghetti? Or is it all for naught?

>>18120571
Stella Matutina.
The outfit that the Ciceros are with.

The Ciceros also did a text on self initiating to the Golden Dawn, but does require all the tools and at least one working space.

The A.'.A.'. *tries* to put all the information from the Golden Dawn in non-symbolic terms into the aspirant before they're initiated (or self initiate) into Neophyte.

>>18120568
>If you haven't started yoga do that. If you have, start assuming Godforms of entities with healthy amounts of pride (no Set or Apophis here). Sit in your asana, get liminal, build the image of the godform in your mind, and try to transfer the seat of your consciousness to the simulacrum while assuming just enough of their mindset to not dissociate or break into Samadhi (first limit is for beginners, latter is for the very experienced).

Where can I start learning this? (If the answer is in the mega, I can't access it. Even if I make an account the most I can do is view the list of files; nothing will download.)

Any specific gods you can recommend rather than ones not to recommend? I'll choose for myself; just to get me started researching.

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>>18117411

>>18120579
>what browser do you use
>do you use their browser extension
>if not, have you tried importing my library into your account (right click on the folder header on the left hand side, should be an option to import).

Otherwise, Hatha Yoga, Raja yoga, Shiva Samhita, Liber O, and any sufficiently detailed description of preferred godforms. And google.

It sounds ridiculous, but why do I keep feeling like I'm being guided towards something. I'm not religious, but I'm open minded to a deity or deities existing (In the sense of Plato's Absolute, the Greek gods, or both).

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Yo K I was wondering if you could link me in the direction of ghosts spoken of in the occult? Hard to explain what I'm looking for. Just kinda woke up curious thanks
Additionally what is your opinion on the spooky buggers?

>>18120579
>>18120589

For hatha, I liked the Sivananda material. Richard Hittleman is better than you'd think.

Another route to consider is martial arts. I doubt the particular flavor matters, but a traditional instructor is most desirable, and not some weekend-warrior, Chuck-Norris-wannabe.

>>18120612
>A.'.A.'.>Aleister Crowley>Yorke Microfilms of the Warburg Collection>Reel 1>NS91>"The AA ???"

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>>18120626
Thanks!
Reading it as I type
Have a bump
Willing to give your opinion on the subject?

sigilnoob here

I've made sigils before and they've worked which is why I continue to make them, but I've found out the hard way that the things I fail to specify can "turn up" as more or less the opposite of what I want. For instance, I made a sigil a few months ago and met a girl who was exactly as I specified. The parts of her that are important that I didn't specify were nasty. I never mentioned anything about intellect and she's dumb as a brick.

My problem is that, after having cancelled out the repeating letters in your written desire beforehand, the more you go into detail the more letters there will be. So if I write out a paragraph with all 26 letters of the alphabet in it I have no letters to actually make a sigil from.

Does this even matter? Can I just draw a stupid symbol completely unrelated to the letters in my wish and have it work anyway?

>>18120661
>My problem is that, after having cancelled out the repeating letters in your written desire beforehand, the more you go into detail the more letters there will be. So if I write out a paragraph with all 26 letters of the alphabet in it I have no letters to actually make a sigil from.

This is why we say sigil work, and by extension chaos magic, has its limitations. Encoding your will in such specific detail is going to be difficult.

Also, there might be more uses for a dumb girl than you've considered.

>>18120686

>Also, there might be more uses for a dumb girl than you've considered.

Go on....

In the charging/activation phase, can you also imprint you desires that way? Am I missing something?

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>>18120704
dumb people are impressionable and malleable
if you're really a sick bastard you could use that
but love and lust spells in general bring nothing but heartache and pain for all involved so perhaps you should not

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>>18120704
also a hypersigil is usually needed for more complicated desires
ie:a sigil made up of lots of smaller sigils

>>18120713


Ahh, no dont worry. She's too stupid to hold a conversation or even speak without slurring her words. That and she's paranoid and stays in her flat almost 24/7 doing nothing.

I was thinking that you meant make another sigil with the "other half" of what I want and see if she magically gains a few brain cells and suddenly becomes well-spoken and outgoing.

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>>18120719
i am not the original replier, just a lurker

>>18120704
>>18120717

I'd say you're better going the hypersigil route.

>>18120734

Im looking into it now, but i dont really see much information on it so far. Got any links?

>>18120746
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wXUuOwpBDM

i want to go to the astral plane
where do i start?
some books to recommend?

>>18120751
Here's why I like Billy:
He's super subtle about what he knows and how he knows it without giving off the air of "I already got it all figured out" like Styxhex.

Just caught a documentary on Crowley on the history channel, apparently new. Aaron Paramore is old and fat.

>>18120803
>history channel
How new?
Last I knew they did a piece on him, it was for "How Sex Changed the World" in 2013 and before that it was Wasserman talking about the Templars.

>>18120810
Forbidden History “Inside the Cult of Satan” (S03E05). It was an episode on satanism, it turns out.

>>18120820

That'll leave a mark.

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>>18110147
>Ancient Iraq
Enki tried to give humans secret knowledge but Enlil wouldn't allow

>Ancient Greece
Prometheus tried to give secret knowledge to humans but Zeus chained him up

>Ancient Egypt
"Thine enemy the Serpent hath been given over to the fire. The Serpent- fiend Sebau hath fallen headlong, his forelegs are bound in chains"

>Christianity
"He seized the dragon--that old serpent, who is the devil, Satan--and bound him in chains for a thousand years."

>Islam
God created 2 different kinds of intelligent beings: the humans and the Jinn which are inter dimensional alien like spirits and many humans worshipped the Jinn

Muhammad was almost persuaded by Pagan Gods that they were the truth BUT then Allah told him that they were false. These are the "Satanic Versus" that all Muslims deny occuring to Muhammad.

>Christian Gnosticism
Teaches that there was not only 1 God that created humans but many (just like Ancient Iraq teaches). Some believe these Ancient Iraqi Gods are Aliens that created humans.

>Scientology
The belief on the immortal soul that is reincarnated (just like so many Pagan religions that believe in reincarnation) as well as their Alien belief.

All religions have some truth to them and are connected in some way.

>>18120820
God fucking damnit.

>>18120833
Yup. That Truth is:
>The Serpent probably ain't such a bad dude.

I'm a married 32 year old male with a 2 year old son and I work the night shift. I do not have any personal space except a small office. I cannot do loud or vibrating magick at work or at home.

Is this a lost cause for me?

>>18121012
Where's the nearest:
>secluded park
>graveyard
>quiet trail
Those are your best bets unless you just wanna tell the wife to cope and raise the kid exposed to heathenry.

Even the most barebones basic daily ritual standardizing practices (Banishing, solar adorations, etc.) can be crammed into the car before work...contemplation's a different story but it's nice and quiet.

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>>18120845
>dude

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bRR-Wykh1o

>>18121033
>brah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjZXmJJc2Gs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhqijfqecvA

Why do you think chaos magic gets such a bad rep? Is it just because some of the practitioners are asshats?

>>18121046
In my estimation it's the same problem with every current:
>Nobody even so much as glances at material outside their preferred current before coming to the conclusion that their way is best.

Can I pray to greek gods for guidance and blessings?

There is a website for the IOT that says one cannot practice chaos magick alone and that I need to part of thier order or I'm not doing it right.

Do I need to shill out to IOT?

>>18120413
>>18121054

Do you think you can try to scan dew of the stars?

>>18121084
I'll initiate you for .5 bitcoin in my wallet.

>>18121087
I can try. I'm still working on the one I'm working on.

>>18121084
IOT main site's not saying anything like that.
Looks like they've not updated their site since like 2009.

>>18121124
>I can try. I'm still working on the one I'm working on.

Sounds good; hopefully it's possible.

>>18121084
Your best bet is to send $35 to The Church of The Subgenius tbqhwy family.

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>>18120571
>Or is it possible to self initiate into the golden dawn tradition and not be mom's spaghetti? Or is it all for naught?

Not really tbqhwu family.

GD is very very group-structured. If you want to do it solo, you may as well go the whole way and do the A.'.A.'. cirriculum (given that you have Ape's Library at your disposal) rather than the Ciceros' round-peg-in-a-square-hole offering

>>18121169
You can put your round peg in my square hole, senpai

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>>18121167
Just got to Illuminati Dirigens in the procession of rites.

so to what end is everyone here actually using magick for?

there is a lot of talk of research and reading but I'm intrigued as to whether or not anyone has achieved the results they were looking for

>>18121195
Have you ever considered OTO? :^)

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>>18121202
Currently focusing on Beguine material, and using Thomas Keating's Centering Prayer technique, which is based on the technique described in the Cloud of Unknowing. Contemplative stuff, basically.

End is to see where that takes me, see what insights into that material I can gain and see if I can work more towards the goal of the material (i.e. alignment of the will with the Divine will).

As for practical magic, I used to use sigils a lot, and got some decent results- pretty trivial things, like small amounts of money, but interesting nonetheless.

Worked the DBoE with Ape up to a point (my vessel shattered, took it as a sign to gtfo), if he ever compiles all our communication on it you'll see some of the things that came out of it (dreams, images, freakouts, etc)

My experience with grimoires is very limited, however. I'd like /sum/ to come back, wouldn't mind some regular discussion on the subject. The Arbatel has been sitting in my room for ages, need to crack it out.

As for results in general- I've had enough to know that there's something in all this, it's not just bullshit, and it can take you very interesting places. How far it takes you is up to you- to date, I've been fairly lazy, but I'm climbing out of that.

>>18121216
I have a buddy publishing Augustus Sol Invictus's LSD journals, so maybe I can slip him The Dragon Notes.

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>>18121222
To publish? Or just to edit?

Tbqh even just popping it into the library (or the wiki or something) would be effective- it's probably the most complete Chumbley archive around the place, besides the houses of whoever the hell is left in CS.


Got a copy of the John of Ruysbroeck material from the Classics of Western Spirituality series on the way, looking forward to it. Bl. John knew what was up.
Oh, incidentally, if Satyr's around, your buddy Poke did an interesting podcast on Goetia a while back, had a listen to it over the weekend:

deeper-down-the-rabbit-hole.com/2012/01/carroll-poke-runyon-discusses-magical-evocation-goetia/

>>18121247
Poke's useful for Lemegeton.
And little else.

Publishing, like putting the book out.

I still have to finish up my personal notes. Put down thoughts about what comes after LA.

There's a good amount of material that will needfully have to dance around Totemic Invokation of the Shadow Selves; the last ritual contemplation is stabilizing the Body of Shadow. Looks fun.

Then it's on to Marriage again but on the ecliptic. Then trying to reassemble ZHA/do the toad bit.

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>>18121059
Anyone?

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not very knowledgeable or super interested in magic, any suggestions on avoiding nocturnal emissions/semen demons?

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>>18121201
Just scanned page two of the Mysteries Class.

>>18120494
>'pure' Illuminism
This is why you're retarded.

The original Illuminati was a Rothschild-funded project that got shut down. The ideas of the Illuminati evolved into communism.

The (((men))) behind the illuminati and communism still continued their nefarious activities and continue to this day. Look at Soros. Fucking goy.

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Outside of Daniel Schulke's, what are some other interesting works on herbal lore?

>>18121488
Man it'll be fun shatter y'all's delusions on /pol/.

>>18121491
Dan Schulke
Mike Howard
Dan Schulke, and...
Dan Schulke.

>>18121488
This is probably one of the dumbest things I've ever read. I wish to give you my congratulations on being the most full of shit on a board that is massively full of shit.

Anything on runes in the mega?

>>18121491
Pendell's Pharmako trilogy.

>>18121720
Oh shit, and JSK's pamphlet on the subject too.

Only 100 pages left on the Illuminat papers. 60 or so if y'all don't want the appendix with it.

>>18121740
For serious I can have the main body of rites uploaded in roughly an hour if y'all want them shits. Start a new thread, etc., or wait until I get the appendix scanned.

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>>18121524

Greater men than you have tried to influence /pol/.

Greater men than you have failed.

>>18121802
Dropping historical documents to clear misinformation isn't influence.

Also, I've shitposted on every iteration of that board.

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>>18121812

We're going to ignore you and post cartoon frogs.

>>18121816
Hence, /his/ and /pol/.
Anyplace that has an interest in the historical basis of the Perfectibilists.

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>>18121822

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>>18121828
Thx for the bumps.

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>>18121839

Our memes affect reality. You are like a little child compared to us.

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bump lol haha

>>18120589
Firefox. No. I have. It froze on me when I tried.

Thanks for the rest of the tips.

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>>18121858

>bumping a thread in autosage

>>18121874
Tried Chrome or Chromium?

Cleared your cache?

>>18121878
I have Chrome. Haven't tried it. Have tried clearing my cache though.