Why people likes gore movies, /X/? I mean stuff like Saw, Hostel,

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>>18109702
Why?

So I don't need to take my violent urges out on people like you.

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>>18109726

Shock and fear are feelings just like happiness/joy and all are valid experiences worth having especially in an entertainment setting

>>18109702
>without being a psycho
I dont understand this conclusion. That just doesnt make sense. In fact, the opposite of that makes much more sense. Someone who doesnt get any sort of emotional impact upon watching cruelty (even if "fake") fits the stereotype of a psycho/sociopath much better

>>18109788
I think OP mixed up like and fascination.
You can appreciate watching gorefests for many different reasons without necessarily masturbating covered in your own feces while watching the movie.

>>18109726
>nothin personell, kid

the fear of death and pain bring about immaturity in humans.
A good horror film can actually be allegories for different things.
Invasion of the body snatchers was actually about communism

>>18109970
no it wasn't,the author deny it,he say he was just trying to make a fun sci-fi history

>>18109702
I dunno op. I thought about this a lot. I only have a few ideas.

We live in a world with a lot of media, right? A lot of news and a lot of art. We've all heard of people being bombed in the middle east, people on fire in vietnam, and tortured by our own governments. None of that really hits home, you know? We also see people in really tense situations in regular movies and tv shows, because they're art and they're meant to make us feel something. So we get comfortable thinking about really stressful events because it's just entertainment, it's just news, it's not happening to me.

Put together with how safe we all are. I know amerifags never know if they're going to come back alive from school (of all things), but most of us are pretty safe. We don't live in fear or injury or harm or violence. Not like you do if you're in a little country at war where it's basically anarchy.

So to have something that makes you feel anything, disgust, empathy, sympathy, if it makes you wince or cringe, that's a pretty amazing accomplishment on behalf of the producers. I'd say the same applies to other non-gore art and movies like the Notebook or Sophie's Choice. Why would anyone want to see something that sad?

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Another reason is you get to turn it off when the movies over. You never died, you never got hurt, when it's all over and "you" escape from whatever horror was happening you feel relieved. I mean really, even our horror experience is in the end really safe.

You can also look at it as a body thing. When you're looking at a piece of wood being broken, it's really different than an arm being broken. There's something that connects you to another person's body. You can almost feel it. When that Simone girl flips all over the place, if you think about what she must be going through you can kinda get dizzy. There's something special about watching a body that you can feel.

My last thought is that throughout most of our history we lived in fear of different things. We, as a species grew up and evolved in little tribes. We depended on each other to keep watch in the night to make sure raiders didn't come, steal all the women and children, and kill and eat all the dudes. We lived in a harsh, harsh world that we through thousands of years of suffering have made into a comparatively pretty nice place for humans. Although we don't live in that world anymore, that's what some part of us was adapted to handle. We are "domesticating ourselves" in a sense by removing criminals and violent people from the gene pool and sending them to prison or sending them to texas where they hit you on the head with a brick and you're done. But we as a species, still grew up in a very violent world, some part of us was adapted to handle that, some part of us wants that, some part of us, at least, is expecting that.

In that way, all movies are kind of an echo of life. Maybe not the life we live now, but a life we all remember.

>>18109702
I used to love them as a kid, teenager, 20s, but now I don't like watching unnecessary gore, rape and torture.

>>18110109
essayfag here. same. I'm not as attracted to it as much as I used to be. I've travelled the world a bit and I've met people who do live hard horrible lives and those types of things just don't hold the same appeal they used to. It's almost like I can relate to them. It makes even the regular amount of violence in tv shows harder to watch sometimes. I find myself thinking "that guy just got mugged. reminds me of when my friend frankie got mugged out of the blue. Thank goodness he's ok." You start thinking to yourself "There are real people out there with these real problems." And I think all situations and topics are fair game in art because it is just that, it's only art. But when it does hit home it ends up, for me, being kinda distracting from the actual story.

I think the older you get the more you realize that violence really does hurt people and the possibility that it would be used to hurt people that you care about turns you off. Before you have much experience in the world you might just think violence is a way that things get done. And yes, it is that, but it's mostly a lot of bad things too.

I'm listening to Willie Nelson right now.

Not sure why people like to gore, rape and torture.

I find it fucking disgusting.

People should smoke pot, play guitars and sing songs instead.

Like Willie.

>>18109726
Anyone with any serious violent urges wouldn't be sated by just watching a movie or playing a game.

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>>18109726

>>18110128
It's because you've learned to see the humanity in those horrible situations. They're not objects being smashed, like boxes or glass bottles, they're actual people, enduring horrible tragedies sometimes by accident and sometimes at the hands of others. Seeing similar subjects being used as a form of entertainment, or 'to make a point,' just ends up as hollow.

It's good that you can recognize when people are people. it's a sense that's diminishing quite a bit in this day and age. God bless, fellow empathy anon.

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>>18109702
The film "Videodrome" actually deals with this kind of thing, OP. The main character is a man who looks for the most brutal of brutal shows, both to make a buck and to indulge himself.

It's the same with gore/guro works. People reach an apex, a limit for things they tolerate, and they want to push themselves further. Some people just end up taking it to far and making it real. Then again, others just watch it as an example of 'Cinema' as an art-form and want to see what the creators' vision does different.

Basically, for some people it's personal, but for others it's just another film or series of films in a long list of films to experience.

Depends on how it's done. I don't really like "torture porn" either but I don't think Saw really counts as this even though I think it started the whole thing. Blood and gore is just an extension of horror, which is seeing people in extreme situations basically and how they deal with it. You don't need gore for horror movies but it just moves it forward to an even more extreme setting.

Though a lot of these movies almost entirely drop the usual horror stuff from their movies and just make it about the gore, which I think really doesn't work. Hostel I think was the first movie to do this but I haven't seen it in a while so I could be wrong. Just having a movie about people getting tortured, even if it is scary based on this, is kind of stupid I agree but it plays on the same psychological aspect that people like horror for, just in a different way. A good movie can make use of both gore and traditional horror aspects though.

>>18109702
Shocking ultraviolence happens. It has since before recorded history. These days, most people cope by trying really hard to not think about it. Some cope by wallowing in it.

Basically, horror is an opportunity to confront and overcome your fears.

Also, it's /x/. All the boards are lower case.

>>18109726
THE EDGE

I would suggest OP visit some shock sites (bestgore is good) and watch some cartel videos (mexican chainsaw beheading is a classic I recommend), some third world traffic accident footage (check out the roads in thailand) and some brazillian rural lynching cellphone footage (flipflops and de silvas everywhere) and last of all some good old fashioned jihadi beheading videos to desensitise himself and stop being triggered by gore like a great big jessy.

>>18109702
I find them disgusting but I woulnd't call people that enjoy them psychos

>>18109702
This shit is utter bullshit

>>18110572
Me. I just watch many many films and dont exclude anything for being too gory.

The totureporn thing actually goes back to the 80s, with japanese films like Guinea Pigs, which make hostel look like blues clues.

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>>18110028
pretty nice , I mean really,

>>18109774
no offense, but what you call shock and fear, i call it disgusting. Most people will call me a pussy, but I just cannot take it. I don't have the stomach for it :(

>>18109702
Well I agree with you on gore (but mostly real stuff I see posted online). I feel bad for the people in those pictures, I don't know how someone can like real gore images online without some guilt. I mean how would you feel if your dad was murderd like in (3 Guys 1 Hammer) and his video was posted online as a shock video for people to watch all around the world? It just seems disrespectufl. Even if you are just viewing the images because you find them interesting.

Though I don't find fictional violence bad. But I do think it can influence how people act, not saying a violent movie is gonna make someone kill people but it certainly isn't gonna make someone less violent.

>>18110866
>Though I don't find fictional violence bad. But I do think it can influence how people act, not saying a violent movie is gonna make someone kill people but it certainly isn't gonna make someone less violent.
but makes them less civil especially with the younger generation.

>>18110869
I don't think "civil" is relevant here.

People are basically walking talking mirrors which reflect what they are around. If one lives in a violent culture they are more likely to be violent, if one lives in a peacful culture they are more likely to be peaceful. Now of course there are exceptions.

A lot of people use the argument after a school shooter is found out to play violent video games in defence of video games is "This person would have acted violent regardless". I have an issue with this because all this does is ignore nurture. Both nature and nurture have vital roles in how people act, walk, talk, think, and what they do. A person may (due to genetic reasons) be more inclined to be prone to violence but they might have had a health childhood and never do anything violent. This can also work vise versa.

Basically, It's stupid to blaim the person who makes violent art when someone watches their art and does something violent, but it is also stupid to blaim the perpetrator as some sort of "villain" when in actuality they had no free will in doing whatever they may or may not have done.

You are free to do whatever you want but actions are initiated by desires, and desires are crafted by genetics, upbringing, culture, mental health. etc.

oh shit I forgot this is /x/

>>18110821
That's fine too

>>18110776
there's also an erotic grotesque element to it. western torture porn movies appear more.. provocative? as in something purely to shock.

for example, audition is very natural seeming. it's not at all that excessive but still manages to be shocking when you do get a glimpse of some torture, it was the calm manner in which it was done, indicating she had done this many times, which makes it meaningful.

a serbian film is just endless shock pornography. we don't learn anything from it other than "this vukmir guy really likes rape". the fact that it's so excessive leaves no impression on me other than "the guy behind this is too proud of this piece of shit"

i may be generalizing though, and it may be a matter of taste.

>>18110939
I disagree with you on A Serbian Film. I didn't like the film much either but I thought it was at least an attempt of shitting on the porn industry.

Imo a better example would be Cannibal Holocaust, that while also attempts to have a message it's heavy handed message. And it really feels like every scene is just trying to one up the next. At least A Serbian Film makes sense despite its silliness.

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>>18109726

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Same, I can't watch those kind of films either. Back when I was in highschool the teacher would sometimes put on a pretty gorey film (e.g we had a teacher screen gladiator when I was 11) and I was the only kid who had a problem with it, sometimes having to turn my back to the screen because I couldn't deal with all the pain, and massacre I was seeing. I tend to feel that directly and I always get this horrible pressure between my eyebrows when I see gore and stuff like that. The average Tarantino film I'm ok with but none of that straight up gore (cartoon gore is ok) I'm not built for.

>>18111498
what the fuck, what kind of teacher would show R rated films like gladiator to 11 year olds????
what country are you in?

>>18111527
UK. He was young, a recent university graduate. In retrospect it's pretty fucked up, and it was the first time I saw gore.

>>18110194
What if Willie Nelson has a dark side? What if hes a rapist and serial killer on the down low?

>>18111527
When I was a freshman in high school we watched Saving Private Ryan for a class.

Not sure if relevant, but I started frequenting gore threads and ogrish (back in the day) after I had broken my neck and back in a car accident. It was a coping mechanism for me.

These kind of movies had always fascinated me though, for the same reason every one always rubbernecks when there's a car accident near them.

Morbid curiosity.