What really happens after death?

The soul transmigrates from body to body until it attains liberation.

Have you ever taken DMT before?

People can be "out" for a while. It can seem like hours, or even lifetimes. Well, when you die your DMT releases in a larger dose than you've ever experienced in life.

For all you know, this whole life of yours was just your doctors giving your daily medication, in a padded cell somewhere.

>>18053745
No, I only really heard of LSD or MDMA, unless they are all kinda the same.

>>18053744
this

When you die you enter into an sort of "intermediate state" between lives where you either attain enlightenment if you're experienced enough in meditation and the like, or you're reborn into a new body. Read the Tibetan Book of the Dead, it details the entire process extremely thoroughly. Shit if you even want to experience it just drop acid. An LSD trip mimics the intermediate state exactly. The dude who popularized acid during the 60s, Timothy Leary, even based his manual for tripping, the Psychedelic Experience, entirely off the Tibetan Book of the Dead.

>>18053883
That's really interesting, thanks.

>>18053905
It's amazing how obscure the book is among people though, it's literally the best guide to death we have

I guess the who reincarnation thing puts a lot of people off, but you can hold it up next to near death experience and it still checks out. The whole "tunnel effect", seeing your life flash, "meeting god"

it's all like the episode emergence in star trek the next generation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0OVpyvey4U

drugs are bad.

>>18053737
End of the world.

Probability of you being the maker of it is slim but it's a possibility

>>18053737
you wake up the next die like you never died. This world is never ending, learn to break out of the circle, goyim

>>18053737

This

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UcKhas3HCk

>>18054708
This actually sounds reasonable for some reason. Like how you died was just a dream and you keep on living your normal life, repeating a deja vu moment as a reset, then going on from there.

>>18053883

Can you tell us more?

>>18054761
I have died, once in a roll-over and twice of a drug overdose. I have see past this reality and been face to face with pitch black beings in black robes. I don't know what to make of it, but apparently I'm supposed to be alive and I keep coming back.

Every thread like this has the usual druggies thinking they know the answer because DUDE DMT LSD GOD LMAO.

The sad truth is (depending on who reads this) is nothing happens. Some people die slow and their brain shows them heaven and all this bullshit it's just hallucinations. Some people instantly die and nothing happens. For example, have a friend, his parents weren't religious so he attended church by himself as a kid, alright. He believes in God and shit. Instant death, car crash. In a coma for a month or so. It was a miracle he survived (figuratively speaking of course). I asked him did he see anything. He said, "Nothing." He doesn't remember being in a wreck, just waking up in a hospital bed like it was the next day vs. the following month.

Humans are just balls of energy, nothing more.

>>18054908
>balls of energy
ill suck on ur balls of energy if ya know what i mean

Spiritual beaings rape you so hard and so.long you lose all sense of time and identity and are totally broken, then you are reincarnated so when you die you can be raped and broken again for all eternity. And the monsters that rape you never wash their dicks

>>18054934
sounds like a weekend visit to uncle jimmies when i was a lad

>>18054908
This.
We're just walking talking energy and energy is bound to certain stipulations. You are either one of two things. You're energy is either bound to be reconstructed as is, or bound by different levels. Of course by energy I mean matter as well. However on the same token, if you truly understand the supervenient bounds of our energy, how it expands into an infinity, the fine line of reconstructing events versus expanding to new events become ever so vague.

>>18053745
That's hasn't even been proven. Quit talking about things that you don't have any real knowledge of.

>>18055620
It is actually proven people have a death trigger, and when its released alot of chemichals flood the brain. not sure about it being DMT though.

You cannot comprehend death, you will cease to exist like anything else in the universe.

Life is just a mechanic matter came up with to hold off entropy.

>>18053737
do you mean after life?

>>18054873
Do you know what you did to get such comfy spiritual treatment?

>>18056346
Then why do rocks live longer than humans? Checkmate faggot

>>18056332
the question is... what can man really prove?

can we really prove anything at all?

i think this question is more important than you think

>>18053883
Here, OP, let me give you some bad advice, take drugs...

Timothy Leary didn't believe that shit, bro. Look up his later life interviews and last interview with Ram Dass. Leary was skeptical as fuck about any kind of survival of death - notwithstanding his gazillion acid trips, DMT trips, ketamine trips, mushroom trips... - let's just drop this meme that drugs of any kind can give you lasting knowledge about these things because they fucking cannot.

What happens is: someone like OP develops an interest in this line of thinking re what happens after death, does consciousness survive brain death, what happens? And in attempt to glimpse into the future takes some whacky drug that fucks up his brain for a while and because he'd already programmed his mind to be thinking of those things he has some experience which he then interprets in light of that pre-programmed knowledge. That 60s psychedelic Tibetan book of the dead trip manual re-write crap is just this, a pre-hypnotic suggestion. When you take dissociatives or psychedelics, or even smoke weed, "set and setting" are very important, meaning that where you are and what frame of mind you're in will alter what effect and experience you have, so say you play DOOM for a week straight and take acid, you're going to have DOOM-like visuals of shooting monsters and shit, but if you spent a week listening to new age music, reading angel stories, and opening your chakras, then took acid, you'd experience light and love and all things hippy dippy.

Don't delude yourselves into thinking that your pre-programmed experiences represent actual reality. I've known many people who were certain of things after tripping but as time passes, years go by, life changes, they reach a point where their former thoughts become incomprehensible and they have a totally different model of reality, even returning to the most normative standard version of things.

Drugs are a waste of time, friends.

>>18056518
0.1 shekels have been deposited into your account

Thank you for Correcting the Record on psychedelic drugs!

>>18056526
I've taken them, thanks, enough to see through "baby's first trip" posts that spread the most naive view of things. As i said, Leary himself was skeptical as fuck! All his trips meant nothing in the end.

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>>18056518
>DMT trips

But, DMT trips simulate the death experience. It makes, perfect, scientific sense to discover what death might be like, by putting a person into a physical state that is similar to death. That state, is a DMT trip.

Here's a picture of some interesting art, to show you that I'm correct.

>>18053737
Your lifeless corpse decomposes.

>>18056599
From the perspective of a lifeless corpse decomposing, what sensory information does their consciousness perceive?

>>18056503
I must say i laughed there for a bit, i never stated a rock was alive did i ?
>>18056517
The reality is that science deals in probabilities, not proofs.

>>18056630
None. Your consciousness is part of your brain, not some separate ethereal entity.

>>18056518
>Drugs are a waste of time, friends
drugs are a fun waste of time

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We know that the mind can create a body and a world, since you experience a "false" world in dreams and thoughts. It is likely that physical reality is something that is projected onto consciousness and not the other way around. When you die you leave this "dream" behind and go one to whatever else is out there.

>>18056761
No its not, you cannot create a body or a world in your dreams if you have not first seen/experienced the reality/world we are in now.

When I died it was nothing experiencing nothing. Weeks after, I began to wake and start recombining my mental states. What is fucked up is coming back and never being quite sure of everything. That moment when you recover enough to go "Oh! I'm alive!". Am I? How do I know for sure? Why am I less sure now?

>>18056796
You have the gay

>>18056503
You're an idiot.

you enter the abyss and wait for your name on the docket. then your consciousness is filed into a rolling spreadsheet and further complicated and implicated in an illusory present past future wave of infinite potential. just kidding, when you die you disappear like a baddie in a vidyagaem.

I still have a exitential crisis here and there or whatever you call it and panic about knowing im gonna die one day and im now 30...i remember first thinking about this when I was 5 years old, no shit. I still remember crying and telling my parents im gonna die.
and we were on a vacation. heh.
After death will i imagine, be like before you were born. Whatever makes up "you" is now let loose and back into all this choas.

>>18056796
This TOTALLY happened, and you should take everything this person says seriously.

>>18056882
You're still dead, then. Everything that made you up is still gone, doesn't matter if "your" energy or whatever is still around.

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>>18056921
It is a cynical world we live in. In this instance however, you're wrong.

>>18053737
We go to Valhalla, where we have a nice meal, get drunk, listen to old stories of battle and glory, tell our stories and then fight for eternity.

>>18053737
it would be cool if we could create some kind of dream world taken from a tv show or whatever and be a character there

>>18057155
Bronys get out

>>18057207
>implying im a fucking faggot that likes that shit

get out nigger, im talking about real tv shows or even movies, who wouldnt want to get on a science fiction show or movie

>>18053737
Nothing

>>18054908
Seriously what if you just get your head blown off? This is what pisses me off about all these people's stupid DMT theories about death hallucinations. The reality is when you're brain is destroyed you're not hallucinating shit because you've ceased to function properly without a brain.

ITT people pretending to know things because they have done drugs. Last time I tripped acid I convinced the girl I was with we were on a quest to find the, and I quote, "happy funshine bear" and this grown ass woman followed me on a 3.5 mile walk to get cigs.
People on drugs believe stupid shit.

>>18054908
Look into quantum immortality he didn't see anything because his conscious just shifted into the reality in which he didn't die in the car crash.. You only truly "die" when your life has reached its "limit" if you will or the point at which you are supposed to die naturally, after that... Who fucking knows, maybe we reincarnate as whatever, or maybe we take our knowledge we acquired through this life n test it in a way as we "move up" and become the God forms who create. Kinda like its a science experiment or something where the goal is to see which world is "perfect" or of its even obtainable drawn from our collective consciousness... All in all we can shoot shit all day, but we won't ever really know it could very well be just another "test" to see which humans can achieve their "godself" within this life or the next... Or maybe in all honesty nothing matters in the grand scheme of things, as in it only matters because you gave whatever you do/did/will do in this lifetime meaning/purpose to try to cope with the fact that we honestly are clueless, everyone just as blind as the other.. basically just live your life, you create your "life's potential/worth" nobody else, whatever happens after this happens n no amount of thinking/blindly clinging to whatever faith you may have as a way to "prepare" yourself will change that.. That's one major flaw I have noticed in the human race is we all focus far more on what's to come/what if that we never just focus on the now, or do whatever it is we may want to do because of a little emotion that makes us go "what if" so sadly the majority of us will die with soooo many missed opportunities/possibilities because we focused too much on what's coming instead of just trying to make this current existence as enjoyable, and true to ourselves as possible... Live your life stop worrying so much.

>>18055620
This could be said to all /x/philes

>>18056720
Not true at all. Why speak on things you have no knowledge of?

>>18054908
I believe this is reasonable. When i had a surgery a few years ago, i remember laying on the table, doctor told me he will give me the anesthesia and that ill feel warm and thats the last i remember. When i woke after i remember is like is feeling drained, like i have just awoken from a hibernation and trying to force my eyes open. The period of time i was out doesn't exist for me, where as sleep i remember bits and pieces from my dreams when i wake up.

>>18061246
This. It feels like a time gap. But even that doesn't feel freaky, it just...is what it is.

It's definitely a different feel from falling asleep, even when you don't mean to. It's almost like that time you were out doesn't exist.

>>18053737

You rot in the ground or your ashes are kept in a cabinet.

>>18061225
>implying

>>18062869
this answer was so stupid and boring fuck outta /x/

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>science like things

>>18053737
Your conscious falls apart and merges with the nature. Afterwards you might be reborn as a random form of life, depending on god knows what but not what you did while alive for sure. But that's just a surmise - actually, I have no clue and don't really believe in what I said.

>>18053745
There has never been found any instances of DMT in the brain of dead people. Find me evidence.

It's an internet hoax.

>>18054873
It's not the first time I've heard someone talk about black robed entities. I was told by someone they met three of them while astral projecting. They were three.

>>18054934
>the monsters that rape you never wash their dicks

Spoopy

>>18056630
Consciousness does not exist, anon. It's just an illusion.

>>18063720
so are you

>>18059185
Lol this. Perhaps the secret to breaking the cycle of reincarnation is blowing your brains out before they can "fill with DMT" (which is a myth btw).

>>18061293
Perhaps it is you who didn't exist while you were out.

Are you certain your memories from before the operation are even yours?

>>18063720
Do you ever worry that believing that you don't exist is causing you to miss key aspects of reality?

I only ask this, because your attitude suggests that you're the type who likes to know things, and be correct. I am curious how you plan to do this, while role playing as an illusion.

>>18063720
Consciousness does exist, "you" do not exist.

>>18063703

> t. Goldensteinburg

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>>18053883
Gonna be dropping two of these bad boys later

>>18059202
If you only knew the truth anon.

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BUMP FOR INTEREST

Love you all.

>>18053737
I rely on science because it at least gives me a framework based in logic I can deal with. I cannot have faith in anything someone else tells me when it comes to my spirituality. No book, wise man or sunrise will or ever can account for what I think and feel day to day. For me the scary thing has always been the big question- Where did it all start? How? Why? Those are the questions that keep me awake on lonely nights. That's the horror of existence. Religion is for other people. Science says point blank, nope, don't know, but I'm working on it. I can live with that.

Here is what happens... My girlfriend is a medium and we speak with my deceased brother regularly, so I have spoken to him (through her) about this a lot.

You die, and then you float above your body and you can feel that it is sort of like a rubber suit. Right after you die, you can stick around as a confused spirit (if you don't know that you are dead, or have mental issues) or you can go straight to heaven. A lot of people stick around and find a medium. Usually the medium tells them to cross over. Or just ignores them. Dead souls tend to go to mediums that are experienced. If you were highly religious, then an angel will escort you to heaven.

Yes, heaven is real. It's not really like what the bible says. It is a bit more different. Essentially, all that talk about following the white light is true. You follow the white light and go to heaven. While in heaven, you are judged and this is a process where you review your past life (all of it) and then are essentially questioned about whether or not you are sincerely sorry for the things that you did wrong. While in heaven, you gain complete enlightenment and can essentially do anything you want... anything that is not evil. You can also choose to cross over to the physical realm and interact with mediums or just observe family members.

In heaven, you can meet people like Jesus or Buddha or even famous people. You can stay there for eternity, or you can decide to reincarnate. God will reincarnate you if you are not sincere about what you did on Earth. In other words, not being sincere means that you are essentially needing to go back for more life lessons.

You can also visit planets and traverse through space as a spirit. My brother told me about when he went into the sun. He said it felt very weird. You can also see aliens as a spirit. Some of them are made by God. Others are made by other aliens.

>>18065089
So your gf bullshits her entire life to feel special

"Spirituality" makes people nuts

>>18065089
>my gf tells me what I want to hear and tell people what she tells me

>>18065106
You're like so many people I have spoken to that haven't seen spirits move things around their rooms, or haven't spoken with a medium that was told the future. But it's cool, you probably haven't experienced paranormal things like I have. I can't prove it to you though. Probably that other paranormal side that ou so desperately want to interact with doesn't fuck with you because you're so closed minded.

>>18065113
I have asked for confirmation from the spirit to make sure that my girlfriend wasn't lying to me. I'm not stupid. I have asked her specific things that only my brother and I would know and she answered them. BTW, she never met my brother and I picked out things that she would definitely not know.

>>18065120
How do you know it was a spirit? How do you know spirits even exist, bro? I used to be just like you, nigga. Then I realized that they're nothing but fairy stories

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>Blackout. Not sentient.
>Soul is held a dimension beyond time.
>Meanwhile, big crunch happens.
>Big bang
>Humans evolve
>Timeline reset, only difference is the blinking of an eye of some peasant in India in 873BCE, and one less grain of sand off the coast of Japan.
>You're born back into your body
>Instantly because time didnt exist.
>The ride never ends.

>>18053883
what does it mean for the soul to be liberated?

>>18065158
Who knows, everybody's got a different answer

>>18054908
Into the void, Emerging from the void. This is reality, however your perception of yourself is an illusion, all consciousness is you. Memories are temporary, existence is eternal warfare.

>>18065166
You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, do you?

>>18053737
do you do any other drugs?

>>18065169
It's pretty clear cut, what doesn't make sense?

>>18065174
>existence is eternal warfare
What the fuck does that mean?

>>18065174
>all consciousness is you
And this?

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>>18065177
One day you'll know.

>>18065181
You're just talking out of your ass, that's why you can't explain it

You might be a special blend of autistic and schizophrenic

>>18065180
It's not a very hard concept to grasp, you essentially are raw experience in all forms. The western idea is that for eternity "you" didn't exist, but for the blink of an eye "you" exist and then cease to exist for eternity, as if "you" aren't just a passing expression of god. The you from a year ago is forever dead, the you from a second ago is gone. Memories fill and empty all the time, because memory itself is a temporary expression.

>>18065177
He's infected by the fascist egregore and it leaked out of his mouth. One of the basic tenets of fascism is that life is eternal warfare.

>>18065187
>everything I don't understand is autistic
>thinking that doesn't conform to an abstract cultural standard of acceptable is schizophrenic

culture is shared mental illness

>>18053737
God doesn't disprove science and vice versa. A creator of some sort is just as logical as a lack of one. I think that after death we exist in some form as energy, some form of sentience remainin, though likely our conciousness of the world gone.

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Nice thread, now I want to die to see what happens
>inb4 just like sleep tire

To be as simple as possible, think law of conservation of energy, energy can't be created or destroyed.. Etc. Therefore, our life force passes into another form whether you're conscious of it or not.

>>18065214
What is 'our life force' and can it be measured?

>>18065204
Naturalism has empirical support through its application as methodological naturalism in the sciences. Through this application we have been able to understand many things about the world. Supernatural perspectives have resulted in zero verifiable knowledge. Thus metaphysical naturalism has been shown to be the most reasonable metaphysics. So yeah while science doesn't directly disprove God, God is excluded philosophically due to the success of naturalism in science.

It is up to you to disprove naturalism. starfoxgoodluck.wav

>>18065214
The Law of conservation of energy is only for isolated systems

>>18065218
Life force/soul/etc. it's all the same and all living things have this. As far as scaling it out, it started here
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duncan_MacDougall_(doctor)

>>18065242
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duncan_MacDougall_(doctor)
There's no evidence for any soul, bro. If we were energy, it could be measure when we die

>>18065233
I mean technically the universe is an isolated system because it is one/a whole. You can think of everything as seperate, but in the end everything works together to create the whole

>>18065254
You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Please be quiet

>>18065262
I do, however; for a literal hard nosed science geek like yourself o understand you can only look at book page by page and not able to see the whole book. I hope one day you can actually put things together that we already know with what we want to know

>>18053737
What happened before you were born? What happens when you go to sleep? What happens when you wake up?

You only feel that you exist continuously because of your memory. Say if your memory of your entire life was implanted just 5 seconds ago in your brain, how would you know? Before 5 seconds ago, there was no "you" but your memory tells you there was. So are "you" just memory?

Your entire identity revolves around memory/thought. Without thought, you're not there. When you're absorbed in something, there is hardly any self-consciousness there at all is there? You can feel this subtly when you're engrossed in a movie or any other activity, but you feel it most when you sleep. While you are asleep, you are not there.

When you wake up, memory returns, the body feels rested, and so you say that you had a nice sleep. Did you really experience sleep or did sleep just happen to the body without you in it?

The body doesn't know anything about "you". It doesn't know who you are nor does it care. Other bodies don't know who you are either. Look at all these bodies acting out as individuals. Individuals are like ghosts in the machine. Actually there is nobody home. Spooky isn't it?

What is this "you" that you're so concerned over?

>>18065268
Go to >>>/sci/ and say the Universe is an isolated system. Nigga you have no idea what you're talking about, you're just talking out your ass like everyone else here

>>18065283
You obviously don't know anything at all about super string theory, 10ds (although there's more than that) or theoretical physics that is proving ancient knowledge? Whenever you learn everything is connected and is 1, maybe then you can become truly enlightened. Namaste

>>18065299
"Truly enlightened" "Namaste"

You sound like a faggot.

What ancient knowledge? Nigga you are imposing your beliefs on the data

The observable universe is an open system. There are 3 main types of thermodynamic systems, defined by what the system can exchange with its surroundings: An open system can exchange both energy and matter. A closed system can exchange only energy.

>>18065272
Never thought like that.
Thanks for that anon, really made me think is a new way.

>>18056494
I have no idea, I was fighting death each time. Maybe they felt i was reluctant and that means i was not ready to leave

>>18063709
that is very interesting. i would like to attempt astral projection, but i feel like i am just not ready for it

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>>18065306
>3 main types
>Defines only two
>Copies definitions from google
Get a life faggot, you seem made

>>18065329
I'm just tryna show you that you could have just googled the shit to see you were wrong

Do the world a favor and kill yourself

>>18065272
Isn't it so that you're are born with the memory of abstractions?

don't you need to reference the equall itself to define if a thing has equality as a quality?

don't you need to reference to the beautiful itself to decide if a thing resembles the beautiful?

what are those points of reference if not the soul remembering? the soul has its own memory and it's our capacity to understand and reference these built in ideas, and therefore it has a kind of intelligence.

>>18056781
stay grounded, goyim

i seen this memory leak like at work

jack_daniel r r not my father or odin

moot ur chin got advanced so did dudders

im sorry u trtied to make shit up left aways

ur left arm is a fucking mess mirror me while im in there with her and thats it itiCelands arms n ur life forever <3 kp

>>18065342
>>18065346
>>18065350
What in the fuck are you talking about?

sorry moot for the fbi comment im stuck there as well <3 seti ytcracker 1855

great answer...without thought we are just lumps of meat

>>18065414
edgy

>>18053737
No one knows what happens, lad, no ones.

Pick a religion or belief you think will help you cope the best and just wait until your time is up like everyone else.

>>18056925
what? Did I imply that youd still be alive after dying? What did that even mean?

>>18065457
He's implying that you are already dead. If matter is dead and you are matter, then you are also dead.

What happens at your "death" is just one form of matter changing to another.

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>>18065452
>No one knows what happens, lad, no ones.
Speak for yourself pleb

>>18065527
>semantics

My extremely religious aunt had a major cardiac event and died. As in, her heart stopped and her brain ceased all activity.

Once they got her to the hospital they were able to induce medical hypothermia and use electric shock to restart her heart. 48 hours later as they brought her slowly out of the medically induced coma, her brain showed signs of activity. Another day or so and she was able to wake up, but it took a good week before she was lucid and herself again.

In the week of recovery her short term memory was shot and her long term memory only went up to a few months before her cardiac event. She was also very euphoric and happy to see all the hospital staff and visitors. This was very unusual because my aunt is actually a raging bitch cunt of a woman.

After she recovered and got back on her feet and went back to life as usual, she told me a couple of times what happened when she died:

Fucking nothing

You are a pattern of electrical currents scrambling around in your brain. Once that ceases, that's it. There is nowhere for you to go. There is no "you".

DMT documentarys u watched while high and talked to a couple of pseudo intellectual university girls in intro to psych about in a successful attempt to get laid doesnt mean as much as you think. DMT is not proof of anything exept the fact that your body releases chemicals upon death, is the release of adrenaline proof of superhuman powers? Honestly were all afraid to die and theres nothing wrong with that.

in a way I look forward to death, to find out the answer to the ultimate question we all ponder.
we are souls with a body, not the other way around.
and anyway, this life sucks,is so effing boring, I cant wait to cross over to the other side

>>18065596
>to find out the answer to the ultimate question we all ponder.
You won't find out anything, you will be dead.

>we are souls with a body, not the other way around.
The "soul" is an invented concept, we do not exist outside of our meat

>I cant wait to cross over to the other side
There is no other side.

>>18065596
Wat makes you so sure we have souls ?

>>18065089
How do you know what is 'evil'?

>>18065596
>this life sucks,is so effing boring,
try not being such a faggot and things will be better, cockgobler

>>18065596
>and anyway, this life sucks
Meh, it's pretty okay.

7/10, the gulf between reality and impossible dreams could have been smaller.

>>18065089
>Usually the medium tells them to cross over. Or just ignores them.
What kind of medium ignores spirits?

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>>18066545
I guess you could say she has a... MEDIUM temperament

>>18065570
There are plenty of people for whom their experience wasn't "fucking nothing".

>>18054761
I don't understand what you mean. Can you elaborate?

>>18064065
and what is the truth?

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>>18056553
Fucking laughed

>>18065144
Le Nietzsche face

>>18053737
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MikS41OTvs
Continiue?

>>18065570
>She was also very euphoric and happy to see all the hospital staff and visitors. This was very unusual because my aunt is actually a raging bitch cunt of a woman.

How can you explain that? Sudden change in behaviour? It must have got a cause.

>>18065599
So you know what comes after death then? Well then Einstein enlighten us.

It's safe to say the "nothingness/void" after death doesn't exist since you aren't there to physically feel/see/hear/smell what it's like. Only life can be, nothingness is an impossibility.

>>18067270
Nothing, the absence of anything, "void", the dick realm, etc

>>18067286
Let me make this clear to you. NOBODY knows what comes after death. Not you, not I, nor anybody else!. So don't try to act like you know for certain what comes after death, because you don't. Because you are mortal, because you are limited. So don't give me that nihilistic 'void' crap.

>>18067305
It's not crap if you accept the materialistic view that conshushnush is made out of just neurons and shit, then all that shit cuts off when you die, and you resultantly experience fucking nothing. Bitch

>>18067305
This. 100%

>>18067317
Well, yeah, but a lot of people don't accept the materialistic view.

>>18067317

You don't experience "nothing", nobody has.

>>18054908

Thing is, druggies and you have the exact same amount of knowledge about afterlife.

DUDE LIKE NOTHING ROFL is about as credible as that DMT bullshit.

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>>18065605
What makes you so sure that I won't sneak into your room tonight and break your fingers, bitch?

>>18067305
So you're telling me some shit about an afterlife written by primitives is likely to happen? I'm tempted to believe they just made it up as a way to cope with dying

>>18067363
>Well man you're sentient and conscious so that must mean there's an afterlife
>>18067433
>Implying afterlife

>>18067850
An afterlife that looks and feels as real as this one.

>>18067870
This ain't DC comics or Dragon Ball Z, bruh

>>18067887
Yeah, it's life (reality), which is something and not nothing. Nothing can't exist, that means something always will.
Not really that hard to understand.

>>18068004
>It's the simplest explanation therefore it's correct
>Nothing can't exist
Define nothing in terms of death

>>18068031
Occam's Razor

No properties whatsoever.

You can't mentally or physically experience nothing, if you could it would be something.

>>18068071
Nigga, that's not Occam's razor, you're using it wrong

You sound fucking stupid, shut up

Who said anything about experiencing anything? There's no experience, bro

How is that hard for you to understand?

>>18068079
Exactly. You'll always experience something if you can't experience nothingness forever. Where do you think you came from? Even if it was the void or whatever, you're going straight back there once death happens.

You'll just come right back out of that nothingness in the end.
If you can't comprehend that you need to do some mental exercises, pal.

>>18053737
Sorry anon, but this is the after life for all we know. We came from nothing, we go back to nothing. We are currently transitioning. Life is what you make it.

>>18068095
Bro, you're talking out of your ass

Please be quiet

>>18068111
You have no good arguments as to why it would be nothingness for all eternity once we die.

Do some research, make a compelling argument or don't discuss in things you don't understand. It's that simple, kiddo.

>>18068116
You're discussing things you don't understand, bro

Using simple ass what you call 'logic' that does track

Just because you can't perceive nothing doesn't mean nothing is impossible

>>18068121
>does track
Doesn't track, soz to get you excited

>>18068121
We can only make observations of things that exists, we know that reality exists because we are currently in it.

You can't make observations of nothing because to be nothing is to not exist.

>>18068132
So that means there's an afterlife because you can't fathom not existing anymore?

>>18068132
>inb4 the very fact you exist means there's an afterlife
The 'logic' doesn't track, bro

>>18068121
It's cool that you want to believe that we head to "nothing" after we die, but the fact that we are here now would insist that if we did, it isn't for eternity.

You can't have eternal nothingness and then have life pop out of it, that's not how things work.

>>18068137
I can fathom not existing anymore, just not forever.

>>18068146
There is no forever

>>18068149
There's apparently "eternal nothingness", that counts as forever.
So you're wrong if you believe we die and don't come back since death can't be forever.

>>18068170
I'm saying this Universe isn't eternal is what I'm saying, death is final, bro. Regardless of if there is an afterlife or not

You are presented with two doors. Which one you choose depends on the life you lived. One door leads to reincarnation. The other leads to the void which some may refer to as hell. The void is like the sensation of falling in pitch blackness for all eternity while holding onto every negative thought, emotion, and feeling.you ever had.

I want to die and go to Foreverland.
It will be peopled with gorgeous angels who will hump like there was no tomorrow.
The, I would snort coke,drink bourbon and eat ice cream,take a giant steaming heavenly dump.
Wash,rinse,repeat.

If you are lucky enough to be deemed worthy then sometime in vast distant future your consciousness will be reconstituted by an advanced civilization and approximate memory restored from an earth-recording-simulation.

If not your consciousness will inevitably spark up again as a Boltzmann brain in the vastness of time, experiencing hell unimaginable.

>>18053737
It all depends on how you define yourself. So you will get different answers from different people. Like most things!


If you Believe that you're your self image, if you believe this to be true, then surely you will die.

Are you flesh or atoms? Are you physical or meat physical?


You see..... It's just a matter of perspective

>>18053737
>>18068563


That was meta physical. Inb4 some bastard corrects me.

>>18067438
That you cannot even break my fingers if you wanted too my fingers can bend flat on my hand.

>>18068178
Death isn't final if there is an afterlife. Make up your mind.

If nothingness was eternal that's exactly how it would be right now, there wouldn't be reality.

>>18068178

In all reality you don't know if you've existed prior to this life or not.

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What I'm interested in is how long you can remain conscious for after death. Years ago scientists would consider a person dead after their heart stops beating but now we say its when brain activity ends. What if there is some level of activity that is slipping under the radar right now due to scientific limitations and people's brains are operating on a tiny capacity until it begins to decay or is destroyed?

food for thought

>>18053737
There is indeed an afterlife. In reality life on earth is just an experience to be had like a road trip or safari.

>>18068743
There is, and it's eternal, that's why we try to evade it with life.

>>18068745
No this no after or before.

You people get caught in words.

It's one happening, you're splitting it up in parts, in reality there is none.

>>18068713
Death is final in the sense that you can't come back from it


Stop being retarded

>>18068846
Not him,but, death of what his ego? Sure that dies, and here's no coming back, but consciousness awareness is always present.

>>18068563
Is this the old "You'll 'live on' as unconscious atoms, so you won't *really* die!" nonsense again?

>>18068743
>What I'm interested in is how long you can remain conscious for after death.
Well, it's quite simple: Maybe consciousness isn't generated by the brain.

I also love the promissory materialism here. "Someday we'll learn it's just the brain after all. I base this on nothing, but I know it will happen. Yes, normally I'd agree that you need full brain capacity to be conscious, but I also believe that the vivid and hyper-real experience of an NDE can be explained by tiny undetectable brain activity. For some reason. It has to be there. Otherwise materialism might be wrong, and we can't have that."

>>18065106
Youre close minded and this life isnt going to be the one for you :^}

I've always had a feeling that death would be the same thing as before birth. Every beginning has an end, but then again. Most everything happens in cycles. I do not fear death, but I try and look at it from the most logical perspective. I strongly believe the answer to OP's question is right in front of you.

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This reality consists of physical reality (space, matter, energy, and the laws of physics) and consciousness. It is clear that there is a link between the two. By simply willing it to happen, we can make our bodies move, interacting with and changing physical reality. If you pick up an object, you are using consciousness to manipulate physical reality. It is also clear that physical reality can affect consciousness. If your body is injured, you consciously experience pain. If you stand near a flame, you consciously experience the sensation of heat. This suggests that one is subjective to the other and therefore its existence arises from the other. Mainstream, contemporary science would have us believe that consciousness arises from physical reality. However, scientists have no evidence for this. All they know is that there is a link between a brain and consciousness. That only proves that there is a link; it provides no indiciation as to which arises from which.

>>18069103
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The closest thing to a physical explanation for consciousness we have is neurons. However, neurons control our entire central nervous system, not just our brain, and they are still there when we are unconscious while sleeping. Our brains make our bodies breathe even when we are not thinking about it and even while we sleep. Our brains turn information from photons into visual images. They do a lot of things that we are not consciously responsible for. Neurons are the basis of a body's central nervous system, not of consciousness. The only evidence that a brain or neurons are responsible for consciousness is that there is a link between the two and there is no other physical explanation for consciousness. However, there does not have to be a physical explanation for consciousness if consciousness is not subjective to physical reality.

>>18069108
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This realization, however, leaves another, arguably more important question unanswered: What happens when we die? This question relies in large part on whether or not we, as conscious beings, exist forever. To answer these questions, one must consider what reality really is. Of course reality conists of physical reality and consciousness, but physical reality is subjective to consciousness. Objective reality, then, is essentially two things: Consciousness and time. However, time is not really a thing, so it might be more correct to say that objective reality is only consciousness. Time is simply something that passes. It is objective. That leaves consciousness. Each conscious entity is objective and can be seen as a quantum of consciousness.

>>18069114
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Time is infinite. Your life is finite. It is only approximately one century out of eternity. One century out of eternity is a finite number out of infinity, or one out of infinity. One out of infinity is infinitesimally small--so small that most mathematicians would say that it is exactly equal to zero. Although that is not technically correct, the difference between a finite number out of infinity and zero is infinitely small. If your existence is finite, if you die when your body dies, then the chance that this moment in time happens to occur during your finite existence out of infinite time is one out of infinity. That is, if your existence is temporary, then the chance that you currently exist is zero. Yet you exist.

>>18069121
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It could, of course, be argued that the above argument is invalid because there will always be someone who exists, and out of infinite possibilities, some extremely unlikely or even infinitely unlikely possibility will always exist. This is true. The current state of the Universe, down to every detail, is one out of an incomprehensibly large number of possibilities, yet here the Universe is, in its current state, despite the unliklihood. This moment in time is one out of infinite. However, it is guaranteed that the Universe exists in some state. It is guaranteed that we are currently in a finite moment in infinite time. Although the chance that the Universe exists in its current state is extremely low, and although the chance that we are currently in this exact moment out of infinite time is infinitely small, the current moment and the current state of the Universe were not chosen at random for this thought experiment; rather, they were chosen because we currently exist in this moment in time and the Universe currently exists in its current state.

>>18069126
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With consciousness, one could make a similar argument. Go outside and look around. Do you see a man? Yes, that man exists right now, but what if he does not exist a few decades from now? Why can he not cease to exist? Why can there not be infinite conscious entities over all eternity, each one having a finite lifespan? Why can that conscious being, that man, not cease to exist, only to be replaced by another? Was that man not chosen simply for this thought experiment because he happens to exist right now, in the same way that the current state of the Universe and the current moment in time were chosen in the last thought experiment not at random but because they currently exist? This is true, of course. That man was chosen not at random, but because he happens to be right here right now. Perhaps he will cease to exist and another conscious being will come into existence. That man's existence proves nothing to me. It proves nothing to you. My existence proves nothing to you. Your existence proves nothing to me.

>>18069134
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With consciousness, however, it is not that simple. Although that man's consciousness and your consciouss prove nothing to me, my consciousness proves something to me. Although that man's consciosness and my consciousness prove nothing to you, your consciousness can prove something to you. Your existence is everything to you. Literally everything. All you know, all you ever have known, all you ever will known. To you, your existence, your perception, is the entirety of existence itself. If your perception is finite, if it has only existed for a few decades and will only exist for a few more decades, then the rest of infinite time is nothing. It is not like being in this moment where there will always be another, but rather, it is this moment or *nothing*. All other possibilities are identical: Nothingness. All possibilities except this one tiny sliver of eternity. Yet it is this one tiny sliver of eternity, the only one that differs from the rest, the one out of infinity, that currently exists. If it is true that the rest is nothingness, that you will cease to exist, that consciousness can die; that chance is one out of infinity. If your existence is finite, then the chance that you currently exist is zero. If you currently exist, then the chance that your existence is finite is zero. This leaves only one conclusion: Conscious exists forever. Consciousness cannot die.

>>18069136
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Knowing that physical reality is subjective to consciousness, and knowing that consciousness exists forever, leaves one question still unanswered: What happens when we die? Given that physical reality is subjective to consciousness, we clearly exist beyond the confines of the physical Universe. When our body dies we break free not only from our body, but from this Universe. Philosophical thought experiments alone cannot tell us for sure where we go, but it is reasonable to assume that, given the fact that we, consciousness, created something as complex and perfect as this Universe, we have the freedom and ability to create other realities and do whatever we desire when we are not bound by the limits of a physial body. Perhaps when our body dies we return to pure consciousness until we are ready to be born into this Universe again, or perhaps we go to a sort of in between reality where there is some level of physical reality but we are more free as if in a dream, or perhaps we remain in this Universe, our perfect creation, but simply without the limits of a body. All that we can be certain of is that, eventually, we will live again. Between birth and death, we experience life. Between death and birth, we can only speculate what we will experience. Regardless of what exists beyond physical incarnation, dying in this life is like turning off your Xbox: You leave the game and return to 'real life'.

>>18069141
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Do not fear death. Death is an illusion. Live a good life. Accomplish something worthwhile with your life. Leave Earth a better place than it was when you arrived here. Enjoy your life. When death arrives, accept it openly and move on to your next adventure in this expansive reality and infinite eternity.

>>18069144
and would you look at that, dubs of truth

hope you enjoyed that anons, this text has come full circle, I copied it from a similar thread to this one here on /x/ over a year ago now and it's been stored on my phone ever since.

>>18069144
Interesting.

>>18069144
TL;DR

>>18053764
They are not

>>18068749
Don't act like what you say is factual. Everything that has been typed in this thread about what happens after death is speculation at best.

It's also bs if you really think this hasn't happened before.

>>18068846
You're seriously an idiot if you can't understand the fact that even if we did come from "nothing" (which more than likely doesn't exist if you can't experience it), and we are going back there once death occurs, that we'd come right back out of it.

Prebirth and Death have no distinctions between them if they have no properties to observe.

In the end we all come from what's come before.

>>18069144
Nice, anon.

I don't believe for a second that death is the finality that people assume it is. One reason is because no one can ask someone who has died what it was like or what they felt. Another reason is because we are here now, even if the chances of existence happening is infinitesimally small.

Given enough time anything can happen, hence our existence.

>>18069970
>One reason is because no one can ask someone who has died what it was like or what they felt.
Well, depending on who you ask, maybe we actually can.
http://www.after-death.com/Pages/About/ADC.aspx

>>18056346
If any thing life speeds up entropy, intelligent life reduced the earth to ruin a lot faster than nature would have.

>>18053737

The last 3 times I died I just came back.

Same body, but the world was a little bit shittier every time.

I'm on track to die of disease for the first time though, so we'll see what effect that has.

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Nothing happens forever bro you just chill

>>18069970

>One reason is because no one can ask someone who has died what it was like or what they felt.

Time slows down to absolutely nothing.

It gets bright, and then time normalizes again.

No clue what it's like for people who die of old age though.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-JIfjNnnMA

Death is stepping into the abyss. Everyone of us is doomed; all you can do is have faith in GOD as you close your eyes and breathe in and out... for the last time....

>>18056553
does DMT really simulate death? I thought it was just fun in your head. Can you really simulate death without ceasing all activity in your brain?

Just because the body released DMT before you die it means that taking DMT is the same experience as dying. If anything, is the same as ALMOST dying, but not quite dying.

>>18070008

It's a fairly similar experience, though honestly not as intense.

>>18065123
That still does not mean he is your brother. If there is a way to access something like a universal library (akashic records?) someone with power to access that could be giving you information about your brother and making you believe that he is your brother. Something like the chinese room experiment.

>>18070008
The experience is identical.

>>18070022
because you say so? does DMT stop all activity in your brain?

>>18053737
>What really happens after death?
Heaven or hell.

>>18069982
They weren't really the true definition of dead if they came back. Death is final and you can't come back from that.

Not saying it's the finality of your overall consciousness, just the physical body that it currently resides in.

>>18065299
>Namaste
FAGGOT!

>>18070351
But they didn't come back. They're dead. That's what after-death communication means: Communicating with people who are dead. I'm not sure I understand what you mean here.

>>18067317

But you can't experience nothingness if you don't exist.

>>18053737
I go one what can be proven. We know dimensions exist and can prove them mathematicaly.

So i would assume when we die we go to a higher dimension. Probably the 5th or higher considering the 4th is time itself.

>>18071522
Right. You don't experience nothingness, you don't experience anything.

>>18072384
I dont know if its a go to type of thing in regards to higher dimensions. More a perspective change.

>>18053737
When you die, the components that are the sum of your consciousness stop working. It's the most peaceful feeling I've ever encountered. It's a lot like not being alive to begin with.

But truth be told, it doesn't mean a thing. We're all agency of a greater sum. One eye closes, another opens.

>>18054873
Then you wouldn't mind being an hero and livestreaming it? I mean, you keep coming back so

>>18072771
>Then you wouldn't mind being an hero and livestreaming it? I mean, you keep coming back so
Yeah do it you fucking pussy anon. Fuck you and all you other idiots believing any of this shit. You're fucking stupid and i hope you all die a painful and slow death

>>18072384
Time isn't technically the 4th dimension, we only say that for simplicity's sake, time is simple progression of change within the third dimension. A 4th dimension would exist outside of the 3rd dimension, as would a 5th and 6th.

To get an idea of what being in another dimension is like, imagine looking at a glass pipe. At the one end is the Big Bang(BB). At the other end is the Big Crunch (BC). Everything in between is time between those two events. Every millimetre along the pipe is marked, and each mark stands for one year's worth of time. Now, look at a certain point along the pipe and find earth. Earth is repeated along every millimetre marking around the centre of the pipe between the BB and BC, but it's not in the exact same place - it's moved slightly between each marking. Zoom further into earth and you can see dinosaurs. As you look at earth at each marking, time progresses - if you get further enough along you'll see humans. Look far enough down the pipe and you'll find a point where earth no longer exists, this could be 3000AD our time for example. Towards the end of the pipe, everything inside that fills it starts shrinking away from the edges and gets smaller and smaller as each millimetre goes along, until it reaches the end and can no longer be seen.

This is how a 4th dimensional being would view the 3rd dimension. They would be able to see all points of the universe at any given time, if they looked hard enough. This is essentially how God would work and how He would see the universe. If God decided to stick his finger through the glass and poke the earth at 2000AD, we would simply see a giant 3D finger emerging from space and pressing into our planet essentially from "outside" our universe.

That's an EXTREMELY simplistic explanation but that's the jist of it. Our glass pipe would be one of many clustered together like wires in a cable.

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>>18053737
You are all going to die, but not me though.
topkek

>>18072482

If you don't experience anything, you experience the opposite: nothing.

What if you can experience both nothing and something at the same time? I exist in my house, but don't exist in the mall or in Belgium. I don't exist in Belgium, BUT I exist somewhere else. There is no "middle ground" or "pick one", you can exist and not exist at the same time. However, you still experience what exists.

For example, I can feel happy at one time, but that means I cannot feel sad at that same time. I don't experience the sadness, but I experience the happiness.

>>18054873
>>18063709
I had a really frightening instance of sleep paralysis like 10 years ago when I was about 14-15. 3 black robed figures floated into my room and stared at me for a few seconds then floated back out.

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>>18053737

Only one way to find out op

>>18065089

What if i like shemales tho

>>18068497
>The other leads to the void which some may refer to as hell. The void is like the sensation of falling in pitch blackness for all eternity while holding onto every negative thought, emotion, and feeling.you ever had.
pls no

The truth is actually pretty simple. When a human dies, the soul leaves the body and goes to an in-between-lives area where it exists as a zygote and experiences unimaginable pain as all memories are erased. The soul is then reborn into a new pig body (pig souls are reborn as humans). This rebirth can occur 100 years before or after the initial death, and isn't limited to earth as pigs and humans are a constant throughout the universe. You can and probably will be reborn into a body on a different planet. However, no soul can inhabit the same body twice.

Pigs are people!!
...and people are pigs.

>>18053883 LSD does not mimic that state, what you are thinking of is DMT. VERY DIFFERENT, and shouldn't be taken lightly.

>>18067286
Your statement is false.

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What I struggle with is how acutely AWARE we are of our own mortality and what it entails. If there is truly nothing in the great beyond for us, why are we even capable of fathoming it in the first place? It is so fucking cruel.... that alone is why I hold onto hope that there is something after this life where we can leave our mortal sufferings behind and move on toward enlightenment.