Religion/Faith/Spiritualism Experiences General

I am Russian, so Orthodox Christian culture is strong with me (I am an atheist though). I recall my childhood friend being freaked out by all things religious. He couldn`t stay long in the church, because he would suddenly feel bad/his head would start spinning, etc. Once I got myself a cup of "holy water" from church and gave him to drink. Fucker vomited it out almost immediately, and he didn`t even know where did the water come from. I used to joke that he is an anti-christ and came to reap our souls. Funny thing is, I heard he is planning to become a priest now. So be prepared for an Orthodox devilspawn in disgiuse, anons.

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>>18030604
Rodnovery Pagan - Orthodox conglomerate here.

Had a few instances of actual supernatural sightings. I'm not schizo, I'm not mental, they were not hallucinations, they weren't dreams.

During these times, I rechecked, double, triple checked for a dream, it wasn't. I was highly aware, though slightly woozy in all situations.

In all four situations during the past 6 years it was a Pecheneg spirit haunting me, and only in the last one, I prayed to St. George who guards my house to protect me. Since then, there haven't been any incidents, other than outside the house where I just heard them, or saw people others didn't see, or feel for that matter.

One can call me an schizo, or a drug addict even though I am a nazi, but I was not under the influence, never have been, never will be. I am clear minded and straight forward.

I've only ever been told they were hallucinations - despite the fact that there's no indications to hallucinations.

>>18030613
>>18030615
Thread is invaded by Russians. I like that.

The story about how I found out about a possible Etruscan-era religion and now actually think I believe in it enough to talk about. It wasn't easy coming to terms with this, especially given how deeply conservative my family is at home. These are events I've experienced over the last few weeks:

>be me, 28
>I have a passing interest in spiritualism and the occult, never anything really serious or committed. Been an agnostic most of my life.
>read this story online about The Ahnenerbe Nazi institute and how they would steal what they thought were paranormal artifacts.
>I start to look into this more, the stories of what are uncovered at these research facilities is fascinating.
>one specific story catches my eye one night, about a discovery in early 2015
>In early 2015, an interesting discovery was made near the outskirts of Germany.
>Four researchers, Simon Aleth, Nicco Bresdlin, Sharon Mctavish and Brittany Lyns discovered what appeared to be an Etruscan-era artifact in an unspecified chamber location near Germany’s border. The chamber, looked to them to be the remnants of an Ahnenerbe research facility underground.
>The Ahnenerbe was an institute in Nazi Germany purposed to research the archaeological and cultural history of the Aryan race and many locations were uncovered and studied over the last few decades since the fall of Nazi Germany.
>The four researchers came to believe that this was one such location and with the permission of the German government, spent three months extensively cataloging and organizing various samples that the Nazi institute had stolen, in the event of them finding confiscated artifacts with cultural significance.
>One particular artifact was this aforementioned Etruscan slab.
>Now apparently, the story goes that each researcher spent personal time alone with the slab, studying the information written on it.
>I honestly don't know much about Etruscans but I heard that the language is near impossible to decipher.

>>18030620
>>18030620
You Americans get UFO sightings, we get spirits and demons.

>>18030604
Roman Catholic, confirmed, non-practicing, read the Old Testament in times of need.

I do high doses (1mg+) of LSD every few months and have had a few interesting visions. Nothing quite compares to opening your eyes from meditation and seeing the entire world around you as a living, breathing, fractal matrix.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6gPPj8B_nU

>>18030627
Yeah, makes sense for an older and more traditional culture.

>>18030628
I know what are you talking about, but holy shit, 1mg? Must be quite an experience.

>>18030626
(continued)

>Dr. Lyns, as this one report I read went, was the one who spent the most hands-on time with the item before filing it back to more official hands over in Berlin.
>Nights after, she complained about migraines and fatigue.
>There were similar symptoms weeks after in the others involved at the site. Each one experiencing minor to major migraines, fatigue and shortness of breath.
>These symptoms continued until Dr. Lyns was hospitalized for cardiovascular issues.
>Before she died of heart complications six months later after being hospitalized, the nurse recalled to staff that she had written hundreds of pages worth of...something all over her room's wall and notebook.
>It freaked out the nurses and the German authorities were called. Thinking that there was a prank done to her while she was sick.

>>18030633
im a big guy
>4u

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>>18030636
Seems like our gods got kinda bored.

Either that, or she was possesed and translated everything.

>>18030640
stop doing drugs

>>18030640
Was getting high on LSD part of your plan?
Damn, it is so hard to resist baneposting even on /x/. I am sorry, anons, this is stronger than me.

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Gaudiya Vaishnavism, though I was raised UU/atheist. I believe I've had direct experience of Krishna three times in my life. I've talked about it here before, but it's late so if there's interest and the thread's here tomorrow I'll give a shorthand.

>>18030641
Why should he stop? I am genuinely curious.

>>18030646
>Why should he stop?
you referring to my greentext? I'm a slow typer lol sorry. I'll finish it if there are people who want to know how it ends

>>18030645
I will be waiting. I know next to nothing about your religion and would be interested to hear about your experience.

>>18030636
(cont)

>German authorities inspected the writing, taking extensive pictures. The investigation went public a few days later, with them concluding that it was just minor vandalism not related to her death.
>They released all the pictures to her surviving family, not thinking they contained any real significance at all.
>For the sake of curiosity, the surviving family posted the pictures online. Hoping that someone could offer literally anything substantial as context. They didn't expect anything to actually come from it. It was mostly a way of coping with her untimely death.
>People who went onto the website said, on various boards and forums, that they underwent intense and vivid dreaming...but every story was clear to note that these were NOT nightmares of any sort, more like directions.
>I thought it was all bullshit, anons were posting various "visions" they saw

>>18030651
No, I am referrnig to anon asking another anon to stop doing drugs. Your story is interesting, please continue.

>>18030641
Stop telling people to stop doing drugs.

Also, cool story cunt.

>>18030654
(cont)

>some anons would post pics of shit they wrote on the walls while having no memory of doing so. I'm a skeptical person, I usually think "evidence" like this is fabricated or all part of a hoax for a good story, so I don't usually buy into it. After all, anyone could just write on their walls and take pictures.
>There were more recent stories from anons that were far more unsettling, outlining how their bodies were marked and written on if they washed off their walls and got rid of the "strange poetic word vomit" as they would sometimes call it.
>It was as if, bodily harm was a punishment for cleaning whatever the message was, from whoever was delivering that message.
>Most forums just dismissed it, the more accepting or forgiving paranormal boards were far more interested in learning more. I guess I stuck around to find out when the "big reveal" of the hoax would come. Notice my surprise when this shit starts to actually effect me.
>From the dozen or so different threads, where anons would write out what the dreams were like, some commonalities started to form, from stories of people all over the country. There was shared content between all of them...

>>18030670
Proceed.

>>18030657
>>18030646

All these mad junkies hating the pure.

Get mad!

>>18030670
(cont)

>Some common story elements included: a great shadowy six-armed figure, white see through forests of trees made of glass, the world being reflected through mirrors and whispers saying "we will join the long walk, our last walk",
>There were variations of this, variations of the "glass forest" dream, variations of how this figure looked...but he always was towering and multi-armed.
>Most just ignored it, chalked it up to their over-active imaginations. I couldn't blame them, it sounded ridiculous.
>Then the events of this June changed my life.
>I stopped reading these types of threads for a while, came back after a dry spell to see if anything changed. Oh boy, did it ever.
>I was here, on /x/, in a "spooky greentext" story thread. The story of the Etruscan artifact came up, and the dreams.
>An anon compiled all of the different posts over the last month and a half...posting all the info in a single post, attaching the original photos...which at this point had regulated themselves oddly to only a few forums and always (strangely) reedits of them. I had never seen the original photos up until this point.

>>18030682
lolwut

>>18030685
link pls

>>18030685
>I downloaded the pictures, checked out the writing. It was definitely eerie, to say the least. But with a lot of creepypasta related stuff, I didn't think much of it.
>That night I experienced the most intense dreaming in my entire fucking life. My body felt wrecked the next morning...when I found that I had, myself, written ONE thing on my own arm, something I don't remember doing. I don't even explicitly remember the dreams themselves, which seemed to not math the stories I've been reading. The note on my arm:
>"The voice that carries the Long Walk"
>I thought it was a prank. Though nobody else in my house, including my younger brothers, even knew that I had this interest or have been following these threads.
>None of them even knew about the pictures.
>I decided not to wash off my arm, I had some really debilitating anxiety that I would be hurt if I chose to ignore this. So I didn't.
>The night after I left my arm alone...anons, my dream was the same as those others before me.
>The only difference? The "figure" wasn't a mystery anymore. It talked to me.
>I wish I could put into words what exactly, WHO exactly it was...I'm still trying to wrap my head around it. It seriously was like a spiritual awakening.
>Thinking back on it now, his(it's?) specific words are a little fuzzy. A lot of very calming words, like I was needed for something larger than myself.
>That morning, there was writing on my wall.
>So I wrote it all down, every word. I spent that entire day locked in my bedroom, afraid to tell a soul. I would be called crazy. Fuck it though, it needed to happen.
>I wrote down a total of 20 pages worth of information: instructions, tenants, the story of our universe...and at its center?
>A being, who called himself the father of the Etruscans, Walker Among Shadows, Merciful Beast Beneath, The Dial-Turner, King of Under Earth
>His name was Baethelmotok
>I believe him to be a god.

>>18030682
Asking to elaborate equals being mad now? Are you trying to troll/de-rail thread or literally have nothing better to say?

>>18030703
No, I'm not trying to derail the thread.

Drugies are just unreliable pieces of shit, and those who turn to meditation are often saved, though I am still skeptical about them.

Admitting that you do drugs is admitting you're a weak human being without any intention of improving yourself. Literally a pawn in the chessgame of degeneracy and depravity against righteousness and spirituality.

>>18030699
Nope, not our Gods...

>>18030699
>I have written down all of his Word, how he walks through shadow and shade to the ending of the earth's light, how he carries the mirror of the world from shattering, how every 100 years he chooses a "Baethson" (like a form of reincarnation) to carry his word on the lips of flesh so that man may learn the importance of his message and willfully come to him as the children that we are.
>It is not a religion of force. But of peaceful acceptance that all peace is the "Breath Before the Devouring", how one day he will consume all the earthly plane in shadow, breaking the mirrors of all worlds and from those shattered pieces reforge it into anew.
>And this cycle will continue, until all of man choose to walk the Long Walk.
>If anyone wants more info on the tenants specifically, I can copy and paste :)
>Thanks for reading!

>>18030699
Pretty cool story. But without any proofs we can`t really believe you.

>>18030711
Yeah I know :( All I have is the Word given to me. If you wish to learn more, I am more than happy to share!

>>18030706
It's called shamanism, you uncultured swine.

>girlfriend is a medium
>can see, feel, hear, sense spirits
>brother is dead
>shot himself
>ask about god
>jesus is real
>so are the angels
>so are the aliens
>demons are real
>satan hates humanity is jealous of us
>demons take things unknowingly from us if we make a pact with them
>angels can be seen by people - sometimes in the sky they look like purple orbs
>big foot is real
>lochness monster is real - undiscovered mammal whose skeleton doesn't float to the surface when it decomposes.
>one night, we see two red eyes on the deck of her parent's house, it is a seraphim (many winged and faced).

>>18030715
>calls uncultured swine
>uses uncultured swine

How is life in the natural aristocracy, faggot?

>>18030706
>a lot of stereotypes
>thinks all drugs are the same further proving he is uneducated on the subject
>no scientific data or research provided, just usual garbage about "degeneracy", "weakness", etc
>general "stop liking what I don`l like" message
Nothing to see here, folks.

>>18030719
Baethelmotok can take many forms of other deities in order to sway you towards his Long Walk. Apparently, this was common during what I was told was "Sethldmir" (The Hours of Many Souls)

>>18030725
>be med student
>come to /x/ every day
>always a regular group of 4 junkies
>WEED DUDE
>MEDICAL DOCTORS ARE LIARS MAN
>tired of providing evidence and links
>provide evidence
>IT'S JUST CONSPIRACY DUDE
>WEED
>don't provide evidence
>YOU'RE ARROGANT DUDE
>WEED

Opinion d i s c a r d e d.

>>18030719
Christian lore is so overused it is boring now. Story about Long Walk was way cooler.

>>18030721
Maybe you should pray for me, cumguzzler.

>>18030735
I can provide you more info on it if you would like :) it is fun to share my experiences.

>>18030734
No one was talking about weed.

>>18030734
I didn`t say a word about weed or doctors conspiring. Quite the contrary, I am a firm supporter of medical science and progress. I also know a bunch of doctors/med.students who do drugs, lol.
Medical conspiracy theories are the dumbest, because they try to disprove hard science.

>>18030739
What the fuck are you even talking about?

>>18030742
Same shit buddy.

>>18030743
No wonder Westerners have to import our doctors and experts. Your doctors are fucking reprobates.

>>18030745
I am not from the West.

>>18030745
Lysergics and cannabis aren't even in the same ballpark, Mary.

>>18030746
Where the fuck do they allow Doctors to do drugs then? What kind of crap country do you live in where med students pass even tho they do drugs?

>>18030748
They will be in the same park when we start loading concentration camps with you.

>>18030750
oy vey

You'll have to take my rifle first, buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuddy.

>>18030758
can you guys not derail the thread please?

>>18030758
>uses drugs
>has guns

Brian, is that you?

>>18030760
Apologies. I just really don't like junkies polluting this website.

>>18030749
Do you really think all drugs are literally heroin and lead to addiction/anti-social behaviour/premature death? You are kinda uneducated on the matter. Country is in Central Europe btw (former socialist block, maybe I AM from the West after all, since we are in NATO now and shit) and our doctors are pretty good, thank you very much.
Why do you have such aversion to drugs? I understand you if you don`t take them yourself that is your choice, but insulting people/countries just because of your hatred seems kinda extreme.

>>18030760
I am sorry, won`t answer to our local anti-drug Hitler anymore.

>>18030768
lol that's fine. I don't really mind

>>18030765
Jeste kurac onda da tvoji drugovi koji su doktori uzimaju narkotike. Verovatno uzimaju MDMA, ili neke gluposti koje povecavaju nivo serotonina. Svakako, vrlo farmaceutske droge koje su u neku ruku uredu.

>>18030768
>Don't like degenerates
>Be called Hitler

This is why we throw bricks at people in my country.

The ones who are nocturnal... Where do they get their religion?

>>18030778
Nocturnal? Elaborate.

>>18030778
What does this mean?

>>18030778
I ask this in the name of Jesus Christ.

Wishy washy.

>>18030787
?

>>18030794
Ah, sorry, i believe it was a question from the LORD.

>>18030804
There is only one god, and he is the Father of endless faces. His name is Baethelmotok.

Will you join him on the Long Walk until the undoing of the world?

This Baethelmotok dude is starting to sound really sketchy to me.

>>18030808
Ah, I apologize... I am a Christian. I don't hearken to spirits save the ones I perceived are approved of by God such as the spirit of the Blessed Virgin.

>>18030817
Who knows? Jesus may have very been just one of His endless faces, when walking among his children in mortal binds.

>>18030821
>Spewing this nonsense
>Not reading the Aryan Vedas

You were kinda close to it, but you were just mislead by this Etruscan spirit.

Just read the Vedas and everything will make a bit more sense.

>>18030824
Oh I wasn't mislead, Baethelmotok has covered me in his comforting shadow as he carries the world.

We can believe what we choose to believe. All are his children.

>>18030821
I perceive that Jesus says to you all to "hear Him .". That is, I think, He is saying to hear the words He speaks of in the gospels... As it says "He who has ears to hear, let Him hear."

>>18030830
Comforting shadow, that's already out of my comfort zone.

My gods are light gods. So, whichever yours is seems to be against mine.

>>18030831
Well, since the Etruscans predate your Jesus by a few thousand years I trust the following quote from His book:

"Let all men who speak with quick tongues be slow to hear. For all men may speak good words. What is a messenger but only the jar of the word itself? What flesh is worth more than the words he spills? Ah! Child! The messenger may say a thousand words, none of which his own."

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"6 And he told this parable: “A man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard, and he came seeking fruit on it and found none. 7 And he said to the vinedresser, ‘Look, for three years now I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and I find none. Cut it down. Why should it use up the ground?’ 8 And he answered him, ‘Sir, let it alone this year also, until I dig around it and put on manure. 9 Then if it should bear fruit next year, well and good; but if not, you can cut it down.’”

Ooooooh! Can we get a god battle? Light gods versus Baethelmolok or what is his name.

>>18030835
Baethelmotok seeks no conflict during his Long Walk. He strides with valor and humility, ignoring the petty trivialities of our world.

>>18030838
Aryans predicted Jesus 40 000 years ago tho. :|

>>18030842
Ragnarök

Captcha was ALIME

>>18030838
How in the world do Etruscans predate Jesus by that long of a span of time? I've not heard that one.

>>18030845
>Aryans predicted Jesus 40 000 years ago tho. :|
lol okay. 40k? You believe that Aryans were a thing 40k years ago?

>>18030848
Etruscans predict even Roman Empire, dude. They are really old.

>>18030848
How long ago do you think the Etruscans were around?

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13 That same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the lake. 2 Such large crowds gathered around him that he got into a boat and sat in it, while all the people stood on the shore. 3 Then he told them many things in parables, saying: “A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4 As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5 Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6 But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7 Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. 8 Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown. 9 Whoever has ears, let them hear.”

>>18030851
Those aryan-vedas-rodnovers are funny like that. But beware of their wrath or they will insult you over the Internet.

>>18030857
lol idk

>>18030855
I meant predate* fucking veda-guy`s gods of light must be messing with my brains.

>>18030857
Here you go, anon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etruscan_civilization

>>18030859
"And Baethelmolok took only one daughter to the edge of the woodland, showing her the ends of their earth and the shadow planes beyond the great ice wall of Gorthirath, built in the First Cycle of the Dial. He dug his hand into the earth, pulling up the roots of a great elm and said: "Where roots are, life stirs. Look upon this, here. Beneath. Where stands the earth. It is home." His daughter looked puzzled and replied: "But one day, you my One Father, shall devour even the trees who grow in your name?" He smiled, "Even roots as thick as these must whither through the Long Walk and awaken anew. Stronger roots await beyond the shadow!"

PRAISE BAETHELMOTOK!

>>18030851
>>18030863

[79] And Light Gods will start sending to them Wanderers Mostwise,
for they do not have neither Spirit or Conscience.
And Aliens will be listening to their Wise Words,
and having heard them out,
will sacrifice lives of Wanderers,
to their god...
And they will create Golden Taurus,
as a symbol of their power,
and will worship it,
same way as their god...

[80] And Light Gods will send to them...
Great Wanderer, carrying love.
But priests of Golden Taurus will martyrize him.
And upon his death,
will declare him God...
And will create a new religion,
built on lie,
blood and oppression...
And will announce that all nations are inferior and sinful,
and will call them to repent before the face of the God they will have created,
and to ask forgiveness for deeds done and undone....
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>>18030882
Okay? This wasn't written 40 thousand years ago...so..thanks for playing? idk.

There was no written language of any sophistication 40 thousand yeas ago.

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Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

>>18030885
This was first translated in 1786 by Russian Orthodox priests, then retranslated into modern Russian in 1944.

:)

The original is a set of stones inscribed on Sanscrit in the Himalayas.

>>18030889
"Baethelmolok, in the form of the beggar from Nazareth, ate only figs for the first years of his journey through flesh and mortal word"

>>18030890
Great for them...the inscriptions are not 40 THOUSAND years old.

You need to learn how time works...get your dates right. You are retarded if you think there was any formal language 40k years ago.

>>18030894
if(not well read) then(call other person retarded);
if(skeptical) then(deny truth);
repeat;

>>18030897
I'm not denying any truth...

do you know what humans were doing 40 thousand years ago?

You don't seem to grasp how OLD 40 thousand years is...organized society is only a few thousand years old. Language, WRITTEN language is also a fairly recent thing.

That's science and history bro...

>>18030897
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_human_prehistory

Upper Paleolithic

50,000–30,000 years ago: Mousterian Pluvial in north Africa. The Sahara desert region is wet and fertile. Later Stone Age begins in Africa.
45,000–43,000 years ago: Cro-Magnon colonization of Europe.
45,000–40,000 years ago: Chatelperronian culture in France.

No, we did not have written languages then.

>>18030900
>>18030899

Maybe then the scriptures are wrong, because time is measured in time and Svarog's circles in the vedas. Maybe the priests measured it all wrong.

Either way, it's still old if it's Sanscrit.

>>18030900
this is shit you learn in middle school. Adults shouldn't be having this discussion.

>>18030902
yes, your scriptures are wrong. There is literally no way anything you just cited could be from 40 thousand years ago. We have methods to predate stuff like this. It literally can't possibly exist in that timeframe. Sorry.

>>18030908
Which timeframe would it be then?

Because the scriptures mention nukes, abortion, incest and LGBT in general - and nukes weren't known to Russian priesthood in 1786, or 1944 for that matter.

How would you explain that too?

>>18030911
>How would you explain that too?

That you want to believe that your scriptures "predict" things, but it's really just an actual mental exercise of you taking modern events and doing a self-fulfilled reading of your holy texts after the fact.

If we are talking about established methods of dating artifacts, the human species was not engaging in writing a formal language, that wouldn't happen for thousands of years after

If you are saying that during the Upper Paleolithic, your religion was writing about abortion or nukes or whatever you believe, it is underlyingly impossible...since humans didn't even HAVE any formal languages. Least of all written ones. Sorry.

>>18030911
The Sumerian language is one of the earliest known written languages. The "proto-literate" period of Sumerian writing spans c. 3300 to 3000 BC. In this period, records are purely logographic, with no linguistic or phonological content. The oldest document of the proto-literate period is the Kish tablet.

There is no actual way that scripture is 40k years old.

>>18030911
>>18030919
>>18030925

Why are you still avoiding the Sanscrit question?

[91] For seven Life Circles Darkness will wraplands of Kins of The Great Race...
Many people will die from metal and fire...
Grave times will come for nations of Midgard-Earth,
brother will rise against brother,
son against father,
blood will be pouring like rivers...
Mothers will be killing their unborn children...
Hunger and Spiritual void
will cloud minds of many people of The Great Race,
and they will lose Faith in Justice...

[95] Forces of Darkness will make all efforts,
in order that Sacred Fire would never light up
in front of Images and Idols of Gods and your Sacred-Wise Ancestors...
Aliens will start stirring up one nation against another,
calling them to wars,
in order that they would kill each other
for possession of Earth's properties...

[96] Millions of lifes will be taken by senseless wars,
for the sake of Alien desires.
For the more there are wars...
and deaths of Human Children,
the more wealth would acquire
envoys of World of Darkness,
and more influence over minds of many people of The Great Race...
Dark Forces for achievement of their goals
will use even Fush-Destroyer,
and Fire Mushrooms bringing death
will rise above Midgard-Earth....
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>>18030928
Because it's all vague enough where you could just attribute meaning to literally ANY historical period.

I'm sorry you don't see how that works. Look up the principles of cold reading. Somewhat similar.

>>18030931
>Fire Mushrooms bringing death
>N-NOT NUKES, IT'S SUBJECTIVE ANON

>Mothers will kill their children in their wombs
>S-SUBJECTIVE, ANON!

>7 centuries of war
>S-S-SUBJECTIVE!

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3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

>>18030939
>I don't realize that organized faiths tamper with the wording of original texts, change words and ultimately edit core messages every few dozen or so years.

If you think that the DIRECT translation from an artifact is "fire mushrooms bringing death", you may not be the smartest apple in the bunch.

That line is also quite literally the ONLY line you have that even could be remotely read as a modern reference. Everything else is just vague "mothers will kill their children in the wombs", do you think abortion is some new thing? "7 centuries of war", humans always do war.

It's all vague.

>>18030940
>PRAISE BAETHELMOTOK!

36One of the Pharisees asked him to eat with him, and he went into the Pharisee’s house and reclined at table. 37And behold, a woman of the city, who was a sinner, when she learned that he was reclining at table in the Pharisee’s house, brought an alabaster flask of ointment, 38and standing behind him at his feet, weeping, she began to wet his feet with her tears and wiped them with the hair of her head and kissed his feet and anointed them with the ointment. 39Now when the Pharisee who had invited him saw this, he said to himself, “If this man were a prophet, he would have known who and what sort of woman this is who is touching him, for she is a sinner.” 40And Jesus answering said to him, “Simon, I have something to say to you.” And he answered, “Say it, Teacher.”

>>18030943
>Paganism
>Organized religion

You're new here, aren't you?

>>18030948
You don't think paganism is organized?

You are missing the point, anon.

41“A certain moneylender had two debtors. One owed five hundred denarii, and the other fifty. 42When they could not pay, he cancelled the debt of both. Now which of them will love him more?” 43Simon answered, “The one, I suppose, for whom he cancelled the larger debt.” And he said to him, “You have judged rightly.” 44Then turning toward the woman he said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? I entered your house; you gave me no water for my feet, but she has wet my feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair. 45You gave me no kiss, but from the time I came in she has not ceased to kiss my feet. 46You did not anoint my head with oil, but she has anointed my feet with ointment. 47Therefore I tell you, her sins, which are many, are forgiven—for she loved much. But he who is forgiven little, loves little.” 48And he said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.” 49Then those who were at table with him began to say amongh themselves, “Who is this, who even forgives sins?” 50And he said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”

Are you really trying to argue with this veda-guy, people?
You might not know about this particular strain of autism, being from US and shit, but I come from Russia and those guys are a laughing stock here. They are completely oblivious to science, have no proofs of their version of history and are just cringy as fuck. Compared to them even scientologists and mormons sound rational and educated.
Keep poking him with a methaphorical stick of rational thinking and see how his story changes before your eyes. He already aknowledged that he was wrong about 40k years, dig further and a gold mine of autism awaits you.
And no, veda-guy, I will not answer your inevitable incoherent shouts in my direction, I humiliated enough of you IRL to spend time on you here. Good luck with being a part of group of sad outcasts.

>>18030954
Yeah, I don't have much experience with them in the US honestly. Haven't heard about them until tonight.

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>>18030954
>humiliates a bunch of false hippies
>compares me to liberal scum acclaiming the religion of the blood on their behalf.

Uh, no. I accept rational thinking. The only argument I have gotten so far is "Muh timelines" Which I admit I was wrong with.

However, none of you can possibly deny the text I pasted, nor any of the things that was written (except maybe the Virmanas crap I am still skeptical about).

I've never personally met another of my mindset, but most Orthodox Christians agree with me. Not because I pose as a Christian but because I accept Christ as the son of God, and many teachings from the good book.

also
>predicting what I will say
>ever

>>18030961
>However, none of you can possibly deny the text I pasted,

I did:
-scriptures you quoted were vague
-"mushroom" reference could have been edited in in your religion's recent history
-no proof that your religious texts WEREN'T tampered with
-beyond that one line, the rest of it is too vague to adequately use as a piece of evidence that this document "predicted" anything.

>>18030967
Solid arguments.

However, you could always go to the ARYC in Moscow and read the original on Russian, printed in 1944 - so I doubt it was tampered with. If there was, however excessive proof that it was tampered with, I would drop the religion as a whole. After all, we're here for belief.

Call me a heretic all you want, but I follow the religion of my kin, new and the old.

>>18030970
Stop playing a victim, you are not heretic, you are an idiot.
You are indeed entertaining though, now I feel sad we don`t have wackos like you where I live.

>>18030970
printed in 1944

first atomic bomb dropped in 1945
Trinity Nuclear test in 1945

Stalin was aware of the production of the Atomic bomb years before we even dropped it...

original scriptures are in Russian. Located in Russia.

>>18030976
>>18030977
>Implying Stalin, who killed 90 000 priests and burned 1500 churches would share this knowledge with Russian Orthodox Priests.

Cognitive dissonance.

>>18030977
But it is SO EASY for you to just trevel to Russian museum and check his facts, anon! Why don`t you trust this completely rational individual?!
Time has come to accept your loss, you can`t defeat an argument of such magnitude.

>>18030980
That's...not how you use cognitive dissonance, anon.

Many scientifically literate countries (including Russia) were aware of the study of atomic energy. You also need to realize that you can blow things up with gunpowder...and get small mushroom clouds of smoke.

Do you think that only atomic weapons make pillowy smoke like that? Cannons, senpai. heavy artillery...

>>18030970
Provide us photos of this document then. No one is traveling to Moscow just to disprove your dementia.

>>18030981
Why are you treating me like a child? Did I at any instance not accept an argument whence it was presented? Did I at any instance scream, bash and ad hominem you to oblivion when you ad hominem'd me? No.

Strawmanning doesn't work either, buddy. So far you were good, now you're turning to logical fallacies, why?

>>18030984
Good point.

>>18030985
I'm not From Russia, it would take me days to travel.

>>18030981
Yeah, don't be too harsh on the dude anon. He's just a dude.

>>18030990
So... You all this time you were promoting your religion you didn`t even have proofs (at least in form of photos) of all those document`s existence? They were right, you are autistic.

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>>18030997
Oh, no, there is proof and photos.

But in the case you're currently presenting, every other culture would be vague, proofless and autistic without "WHER ARE THE PROOFS? :dddDDDD" and photos.

So you're saying you're a die hard atheist.

Get the fuck off my board.

>>18031000
Atheist? What are you talking about?
I am asking for photo of this document you were talking about, that`s all.

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>>18031003
>helo i am tard how use google?

Skip me with this pathetic bullshit.

>>18031005
Well, that is just kinda pathetic. You claim something exists - provide proof. You don`t seem to be new here, so what`s the matter?

>>18031034
That's what's the matter.
I'm not new here.

I'm denying posting links and relevant images out of principle. Because every time I do post them the answers are usually "Haha, manipulated / photoshopped / MUH REPTILES", and I effectively waste time providing proof.

Arguing like this, however, allows me to have fun, and play mental chess and check my beliefs on more levels than one.

>>18031048
Got ya. I have no further questions, any anon who reads this will draw his own conclusion.

>>18031054
Thank you for being considerate, and thank you for this conversation.

New perspectives of how I view the world are always welcome because I have forgotten how to view things objectively. Such is life.

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>>18030652
Gaudiya Vaishnavism is part of the Brahma Sampradaya (disciplic line). It's a Vedic tradition focused on the Bhagavad-Gita, Srimad-Bhagavatam, Isopanishad, and the Chaitanya-Caritamrita. It's a monotheistic/henotheistic/panentheistic tradition that states our true nature is an inconceivable juxtaposition of difference (bheda) and one-ness (abheda) with the Supreme Person.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achintya_Bheda_Abheda

Rough Overview:
>the living entity is an eternal soul
>as we are qualitatively (but not quantitatively) the same as God, we have a spark of His supreme independence
>usually this spark of free will is used to serve God; sometimes a soul will use it to serve themselves
>since everything is in the service of God in the spiritual realm, this creates an unenjoyable situation for the soul - like throwing a party to celebrate you and everyone instead focuses on your friend
>a soul in this position is facilitated through an illusory immersion/connection with the material realm (Maya)
>here we can exercise our desires without interference, save for a few stipulations: as we are in control so we are responsible (karma), and the natural laws of the universe
>because of our limited power (and the natural quality of material energy), creations in the material realm are limited, including being temporary
>as we are eternal beings, this causes discomfort among the enjoyment
>God provides many opportunities and many ways to regain our original consciousness when we tire of attempting to be God
>in the current age, the recommended process to do this is through the names of God used in mantra - quietly alone (japa, bhajan) or socially (sankirtan)

If your tradition has a name of God (or better - a proscribed prayer, such as The Lord's Prayer given to us by Jesus), use that. If not, we recommend the mantra

Hare Krishna Hare Krishna
Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama
Rama Rama Hare Hare
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYxOWgjhygM

>>18031716
Oh, so this is what normal vedas are about. Any opinion on that clown`s 40k y.o. religion from above?

>>18031741
>normal vedas
Please keep in mind there are MANY disciplic lines and tattvas stemming from the Vedas. There are legitimate traditions that are fiercely opposed to what I typed.


>40k y.o. religion from above?

Not certain what texts he's referring to. There are some suspicious references to Isha Putra in the Bhavisya Purana and a book largely regarded as a hoax called The Life of Issa that are cited often.

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/jesus_predicted_in_the_vedic_literature.htm

In general the Vedic lore is that humans have had civilizations on Earth basically since it was formed that go through cycles. Even then it doesn't make sense as things weren't written down until the start of this age - people had better brains and simply remembered everything.

> SB 1.3.21 — Thereafter, in the seventeenth incarnation of Godhead, Śrī Vyāsadeva appeared in the womb of Satyavatī through Parāśara Muni, and he divided the one Veda into several branches and subbranches, seeing that the people in general were less intelligent.

As Carl Sagan noted, Vedic history - while much more cosmically scaled than most religions - still doesn't match up to archeological records. As a follower, you can reject the books because of this, bang your head against the wall trying to make sense of it, or leave it in that cognitive dissonance realm of "this doesn't affect my daily life."

Taoist here.

Been learning some basic chinese and plan a pilgrimage to the 4 mountains of taoism at some point.

>>18030928
>Sanskrit
>Midgard
DROPPED
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>>18030835
>light
>dark
you can't have one without the other.