Occultism & Magick

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>>18017665

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>>18017668
>things that make you go "hmmmmmm"

Ayo if Benedict/GDfag is lurking about, I'm trying to arrange purchase of Soror PA materials. Check your email, if you're around.

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>>18017676
>Trivagantus

"Tri" should be self evident.

Vagantus likely comes from: https://books.google.com/books?id=vL-wBgAAQBAJ&lpg=PA334...

And thus:
>>>Bagaïns were the lesser class of the nobility probably a military class which also participated in the council. The title bagatur, once as bogotor, is found in several instances within the inscriptions. It derives from Turkish bagadur (hero) and was a high military rank. The Bulgarian military commander who was defeated by the Croats in the Battle of the Bosnian Highlands was called Alogobotur, which is actually a title comprised by alo (considered Turkic alp, alyp; chief) and bagatur.] There are several title associations with uncertain meaning, such as boila kavkhan, ičirgu boila, kana boila qolovur, bagatur bagain, biri bagain, setit bagain and ik bagain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgars#Social_structure

>>18017690
>https://books.google.com/books?id=vL-wBgAAQBAJ&lpg=PA334...
Fucked up muh link:
https://books.google.com/books?id=vL-wBgAAQBAJ&lpg=PA334&ots=4fr9-HJfzj&dq=vagantus&pg=PA334#v=onepage&q=vagantus&f=false

>>18017676

I don't know whether this one will ever be solved.

>>18017705
In all cases save [1], 6, 7, it looks like he was attempting attributions and then putting a square around the one that fit best.

On the other hand, we ain't got clarity in any capacity; could be anything or nothing.

>>18017709
>On the other hand, we ain't got clarity in any capacity; could be anything or nothing.

That's my concern. Jones admits that what attributions we think we have make no obvious sense. It's a weird and unsupportable thought, but perhaps the children of the light 'work' directly for the archs of the presence, so are not subject to human direction.

>>18017712
That's a point I discussed with Dirge, the possibility that there may not be a sense to make out of the attributions...that they could be as arbitrary as any other 'new' transmission, as I'm sure Sefer Yetzirah was as the various Hebrew mystical traditions coalesced.

>>18017665
>The Grimoire of the Golden Toad
Is it related to our lord Kek?

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>>18017721
Fuck off, mate.

>>18017724
edgy

>>18017724
Why, though? Kek is an ancient egyptian god, just like Thoth, or Isis, or Horus, or Set, yet you shun him. That's not fair.

>>18017725
Says the guy post-ironcially worshiping a largely irrelevant toad deity from Egypt because the white nationalism board meme'd it real hard.

If you wanna learn about Chumbley's work, I've got a whole folder dedicated to his writings which are rooted in historicity rather than stale memes.

>>18017739
Show me one (1) Kekite poster who has done a thorough reconstruction of Ogdoad worship, who can have a half relevant conversation with me about the concepts of Akhet, Ba, Ka, Coming forth by Day, the Cannibal Hymns, the Isle of Flame, etc., etc., etc.

>>18017746
Praise Kek?

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>>18017752
Exactly.

>>18017746
the try harder

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So I finally broke down and started A.'.A.'. practice, how long should it take to work libers e and o? I already have some background in yoga but my divination is spotty.

>>18017761
Also fuck 777 and everything it stands for.

>>18017761
>it take to work libers e and o
E should be ongoing through Probation and beyond. It helps set a series of benchmarks you can come back to later.

O should be through Probie and Neophyte as needed. You'll have to master at least one divination system, starting study very soon, so get a leg up on that shit.

Honestly, though, you should really have had most of Liber O's practices down before starting otherwise you're going to spend a lot of time on bare basics like the LBRP.

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Do you have any advice for doing the Golden Toad ceremony? Getting the toad isn't the problem, but going on a three day backpacking trip by myself might be tricky.

Also, I'm going to do the Ars Goetia and am hoping to do it in a really traditional fashion: I'm using a deer-skin belt (which Joseph Peterson said was appropriate in his translation besides the lion-skin), making pentacles with gold foil and wax, buying a white robe, a silver ring, a brass jar, all the incenses and stuff.

I'm trying to recreate the grimoire. I already have the incenses, the wand/staff/knife, the painted circle, and now I need to get wax to make the candles.

Any advice?

>>18017769
>Getting the toad isn't the problem, but going on a three day backpacking trip by myself might be tricky
Find a local graveyard and get up to a polyphasic sleep cycle so that you can spend the evening in the graveyard then come home to function/sleep (whichever your new cycle dictates).

>Any advice
Neglect not Agrippan standardization (meaning find the day and time of day that the entity is associated with, and do an invoking ritual for said planet before the conjuring but after banishing...the GRH should be in Liber O; just key the hexagrams to the planet in question).

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>>18017665
Cool story bro.

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>>18017796
Those looks like stone. A touch like calcite given how light's interacting with some pieces further up the arm.

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>>18017808
They're bone.

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>>18017808
When you gonna get yourself a marriage bed of witanic mystery?

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>>18017746
>with me
>implying a conversation with Ape of Faggots needs to happen before justifying a religious approach
Top conceit.

When will you be killing yourself due to the amount of doctrinal cocks you stuff in your mouth on a daily basis?

For someone who tries so hard to herald himself as some scholastic prodigy, you're one of the more arrogant, stuck-up, self-centered Court Jesters I have ever seen.

"occult and magic general" should be renamed "occult and magic Ape of Faggots finds relevant general".

>>18017818
I am in some agreement.

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>>18017815
Nice.

>>18017817
The DV serves as the Marriage Bed in year two, as opposed to the Marriage Vessel in year one.

>>18017818
>he mad

>>18017818
>>18017818
>occult and magic Ape of Faggots finds relevant general

The good news is the library represents 491 categories with 5342 individual files so what I find to be 'relevant' is actually a pretty huge swath of currents in modern practice and scholarship.

I tell ya what, compile me a manual of Kek related occultism, and I'll put it in a folder named "Meme Magick".

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>>18017822
This is the Magical Bed of dream reification. I've heard the Call of the Sabbat on the holy mountain kum and enthroned are the vehicula of Flight and Passage to oneiric realities.

I really need a bigger box for peacock feathers and my larger crow quills but just I realized I planned a camping trip for the full moon so this one will do just fine until then.

Related, is this book any good? The sexy binding is calling to me.

>>18017851
Larabee? I don't trust the cat. Dude appears to be heavily watered down, and his attributions don't add up.

>Hecate for Yemeloi Lucifera when it's more obviously Diana Lucifera?

>>18017856
I hear good things about it. Scarlet Imprint does good titles; not stellar, but certainly interesting. Jake Stratton Kent likes that book, fwiw.

Your box should be fine. I just got a large jewelry box I slid under the north altar to hold various wortcuttings, elicit powders, feathers, bone, etc.

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>>18017871
It is interesting, to say the least. I want it just because the second volume seems like it will actually go somewhere and I thought I'd get the hardback while it's still available because paperbacks rot in my possession.

Have you seen this one? I had a hearty kek.

"The ambrosial vulva-phallic-entity am I: carnal and deviant consummation, erogenous, erotic, and erotogenic ecstasy: gratification and fulfillment in desirous frenzy! I am a-sexual, creating from myself for myself and give unto myself: I am uni-sexual, taking and giving to myself for my own pleasure: I am bi-sexual, using the twain aspects of the creative-duality of the masculine and feminine for my own design - hetero-homo-auto-sexual spirit of cosmos giving and taking with voluptuous soul: I am trans-sexual and taboo, reaching beyond the flesh and the urge to sate, my dark-soul a mask of provocative and sensual chaos, calling all to enter the black-womb of my non-being - desire is to become Desire, wanton need to express instinctual impulse!" ~ Verse XIX of The Vulvic Transmissionary

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>>18017911
Sounds like guy's in desperate need for THE SUCC. And I thought GRANT had problems given the whole "priestess sucking off Camazotz" incident.

>>18017815
Apes a total faggot but I have to agree. I don't think those are bone. Where'd you get em? They are cool lookin regardless.

>>18017917
really? shitposting hanz? Why?

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>>18017924
>you'll scanners don't even stalk Hanz.

>>18017924
Drugs are a hell of a drug.

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>>18017917
O-o oh god that lack of oxygen was tasty

>>18017930
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A3dq6lOuQw

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>>18017931
Thank god. I can breathe again!

Do you guys have any experience with flying ointment? I did it and had a crazy experience while evoking a Grimorium Verum demon called Sustugriel.

https://www.reddit.com/r/GrimoireRequest/comments/4wxazk/making_hallucinogenic_flying_ointment_various/

Here's a guide on how I make it.

>>18017716

Quite possibly.

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JANEMBA!

>>18018005
I tend not to fuck with deleriants after watching what happened to friends.

>>18018097

Eh, deliriants are scary, but flying ointment is way easier to dose so it's not going to ever take you into delirium. It usually just puts me into a trance with some hallucinations, but I can easily hold my bearings.

It's useful as an occult entheogen and tool. It's way less toxic than oral doses.

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>>18017725
Cover of an old Brazilian music disc (Red Baron - Raw Meat)

>>18018108
>is way easier to dose
Stable dosing requires stable plant material and I've seen people both go sideways and feel nothing from datura.

>>18018109
http://joecartoon.com/games/play/65/Frog_in_a_Blender

>>18018118

My point is, you can slowly increase your dose in a way drinking a cup of tea you can't do, because you feel it near instantaneously.

But if you want to stay away from deliriants, it's a totally rational decision, I'm just explaining how and why I use and enjoy it as an entheogen.

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>>18018131
Yeah, I'd prefer not waking up in an ICU with hospital psychosis and renal failure.

>>18017665
More evidence that everything Catholic is really pagan.

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>>18018138
Sure thing, bud.

>>18018134

Except that shit just straight up doesn't happen with transdermal dosing. It's dangerous yeah, but really not that bad.

>>18018143
One single instance of over-potent plant material can push any instance of use from "neat" to "hospital pls" or "Nigga I'm callin' the cops if you don't stop knife-fighting shadow people".

The only way I'd be using that shit is if I standardized dose based on microsamples of the plant material orally, which I won't do to begin with.

I'll stick with poppy tea, valerian, kava, various other comparatively weak plants and tryptamines for my entheogenics.

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So which of these do I start with in order to summon demons that can help me become a larger stronger man?

>>18018199
>>>/fit/17018018

>>18018199
>>18018220
So which one of these do I start with to summon an entity that will guide or help or protect me as I astral project? Some nasty stuff where I live.

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>>18018226
ATAH ZYZZ VE-OLAHM, AMEN

>>18018244
I'll make a sigil for zyzzs' spirit and humbly request the gains of gods, just you watch. I'll post it in the future, we'll call it the Iron Pill Altar of Gains, for every mortal wishes to attain the Gains of the Gods.

>>18018256
It's more of an alchymycal process, if you know what I mean.

>>18018256
(this is of course in conjunction with SS or 5x5 or something fucking sick)

>>18018261
I feel brah

We can mix some special potions in a vial and inject them through the anus, but we must have conscious of the possible effects on...

the heart.

if you know what I mean.

>>18018283
>(this is of course in conjunction with SS or 5x5 or something fucking sick)
Try 5=6, the Knowledge and Conversation with SICK GAINZ

>if you know what I mean.
Ape has been speedballing egokilling drugs and ego enlarging behavior for years and it hasn't seemed to have any effect at all. I think as long as we stay out of the sweat lodge we'll be fine, though I did have a heart defect at one point.

>>18018307
Same but I think I'll be okay just doing sick cuts with Yohimbe and some other shit, my heart went thump thump too fast once though.

Lets do it anon. I'll post one day, the altar of gains, and it'll be made of pure stones. We have to make guidelines like offering up iron, our most precious substance.

I'll offer up parts of my dumbbell set.

>>18018315
Offer up the largest stone you can find and stand it in a field like our ancestors did. The local heathens love hauling bigass rocks and scrap metal around and they are shredded as all fuck.

>>18018348
Got it, thanks anon. Sorry for taking so long to reply reading books and sometimes I forget to check in.

I will look up many natty lifting techniques and build many stone altars.

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Loving The Mirror of Simple Souls so far.

Can definitely see why it made the church nervous (i.e. why the fuck would you need the restriction of religious laws and customs if you're united with the Will of God), doubt she'll be rehabilitated any time soon.

Damn good stuff though

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>>18018701
Nigga:
>>18017676

>>18018701
>doubt she'll be rehabilitated any time soon.
>A printed edition was edited by Clare Kirchberger, from those four manuscripts, and published by Burns Oates and Washbourne Ltd., publishers to the Holy See, in 1927, complete with Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur.

>Nihil Obstat
>Imprimatur
>not rehabilitation

Anyway, if all goes well, I'll have the gestures and postures to post, previously only available in the Inner Initiatory edition.

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>>18017665
Dear Mr. Ape Sir

Do you know of any books which discuss the impact of procession of Astrology since the fixation of 0 Aries = Spring Equinox c. whenever (600 BCE maybe. I don't know)? After all, the Sun is in Cancer right now.
>inb4 I understand that some Astrologers have adapted by
>1. Using seasons instead of attributes of the signs. (But what about the Southern Hemisphere?)
>2. Using Planets only
So
Is there a decent Astrology book that accounts for procession
AND MORE IMPORTANTLY
Is there a Tarot deck which does the same?
>Isn't the Tarot inherently flawed if it doesn't account for procession?
>This has really got me thinking
Thank you

>“The Tibetan lama listened respectfully to the Jesuit priest [Father Huc] and replied, ‘Your religion is the same as ours.’”

>>18018814
It's very truly not hard to adjust. I dunno why folks like Nye claim that meaning must change with procession; just position seems to suffice.

As for a text that accounts for these facts? I dunno. I hear Starships was good (Scarlet Imprint) and the author's done good work in the Chaos Current, but I dunno the exact contents of the text without reading it.

>tarot for procession
Again, see my above comment, I dunno why inherent meaning needs to change when it's largely a matter of position.

As far as actual legwork for studying this shit, take a gander at Egyptian astrology as the shit was codified, largely, while Thuban was the pole-star and Sirius' helical rising was in (roughly, probably) late Aug. Compare/contrast vs. more modern sources, see what's different and what you could possibly change.

>Taze
I was reading the other day about his vapor canopy sentiments. Weird shit.

>>18018838
>Vail's ideas about geology appeared in Charles Taze Russell's The Photo-Drama of Creation and subsequently in Joseph Franklin Rutherford's Creation of 1927 and later publications.They interpreted the creative days of Genesis as six periods each lasting 7,000 years, with Adam and Eve at the start of the most recent 6,000 years, so that the Earth was around 48,000 years old. Jehovah's Witnesses maintain this belief, but their literature is now less specific about the purported length of each creative 'day'.

>>18018142
Holy shit you're dense.

"This rosary is specifically made for working with Cain—working within a dual observance and heretical system that does turn Catholic tools to its uses for gnosis and mastery.

I was absolutely blessed to get to see this rosary in person and have Mr. Schulke show it to me. In my understanding, this is the book One: the Golden Toad Grimoire in its physical manifestation via Andrew Chumbley prior to the transcribing of the written book.

I have made pagan prayer beads before from similar kinds of materials. Using natural beads is a very powerful way to connect to the current."

>>18018854
Rosaries are not exclusively Catholic.

Just because Ben draws the connection doesn't mean Chumbley WASN'T balls deep in Kaula, given his initiation from Mahendranath.

Fastest and easiest way to shit myself with magick?

>>18018889
Any number of these arcaine philtres should do the trick:
http://www.walgreens.com/q/liquid+laxatives

>>18018893
Awww come on man, I wanna believe.

>>18018898
>he wants to believe
>I want /b/ to leave.

>>18018905
:(

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>>18018905
Zing!

>>18017665
If anyone's up for answering a beginner's question:

In MTP http://hermetic.com/93beast.fea.st/files/section1/ABA/Book%204%20Part%20III%20MiTaP.pdf

" The habitual use of the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram (say, thrice
daily) for months and years and constant assumption of the God-form of Harpocrates should make the real circle, i.e. the Aura of the Magus, impregnable."

"This Aura should be clean-cut, resilient,
radiant, iridescent, brilliant, glittering. A soap-bubble of razor-steel, streaming with light from within is my first attempt at description, and is not bad, despite its incongruities: FRATER PERDURABO, on the one occasion on which I was able to see Him as He really appears, was brighter than the Sun at
noon. I fell instantly to the floor in a
swoon which lasted several hours, during which I was initiated."

Would the daily practice of the LRP and assuming Hippocrates make the "aura" impregnable and resilient as described above?

I'm also a little confused as to how to properly assume a godform within this context. I'm looking under Liber O, verse III:

Do I start with the vibration as outlined in step 3-4, and then finish with what is outlined in step 2? Or is it the other way around?

http://hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib6.html

>>18018989
>Hippocrates
>HARpocrates
Whoops

>>18018989
>Would the daily practice of the LRP and assuming Hippocrates make the "aura" impregnable and resilient as described above?
With sincere time and effort, yes.

>how to assume
Generally speaking you'll build up the image in front of you, assume the posture of the godform, and try to meditate on self identification and dissolution therein. Dissolution's a pretty late stage result, tho.

I'd start with vibrations, before or during posture, as per Liber O.

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is there any form of magic (k) that allows me to control nature and communicate with animals and grow plants fast and things related to that? think of a streotypical nature magician, with a large beard and a garland around their head.

>>18019011
I once drained flowers of their energy with my hands. I had a witness who watched it happen. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bUt_KF9vI10

>>18019020
Keep clutching that jimson weed, Benjy.

>>18018996
>I'd start with vibrations, before or during posture, as per Liber O.

I was thinking of starting with the vibrations, and then with the posture/meditation. I was a little confused on those steps, though. Thank-you.

>>18019025
They got all ugly and died.

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>>18018850
>Jehovah's Witnesses maintain this belief
I recently attended the Kingdom Hall after an absence of many years and was surprised to hear the words "13 Billion Years" come out of the speaker's mouth when talking about the Universe's age. I don't have the new Creation material yet, but they have made some doctrinal changes in the face of Science.

>Zodiac
>just position seems to suffice.
I am not sure what you mean by this.
Take what is taught in the "First Knowledge Lecture". The Zodiac starts at 0 Aries at the Spring Equinox. This means that "Normal Astrology" would place the Sun at approx 20 Leo 40 right now. The Sun is actually on the cusp of Cancer and Leo right now.
>inb4 there are 13 signs on the ecliptic of which only 12 are used (Scorpion and Eagle (Ophiuchus) areas combined) and the signs vary from 22 days for Libra to 44 days for Virgo. (Note: Scorpio is 8 deg and Ophiuchus is 16 deg)

Okay. So.
In 600 BCE the Zodiac is fixed with the Sun at 0 Aries = Spring Equinox and over time, signs are fixed at 30 degrees about the ecliptic.
>position
The Attributes of Aries (a Ram) are assigned to those first 30 degrees and people are told that Aries is their sign when they are born in the first month of Spring. The Sun has moved approx 32 degrees since 600 BCE. On the Spring Equinox of 2016, the Sun is at 28 Aquarius (approx (30 deg fixed system)). Isn't a child born on that date an Aquarian?
Do you understand my concern?

>Father Huc

By the way
Just a curiosity
Revelation 4:6-7
(6) Also in front of the throne there was what looked like a sea of glass, clear as crystal. In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures, and they were covered with eyes, in front and in back. (7) The first living creature was like a lion [Leo], the second was like an ox [Taurus], the third had a face like a man [Aquarius], the fourth was like a flying eagle [Orphiuchus].

Hmm...

>>18019063
>The Attributes of Aries (a Ram) are assigned to those first 30 degrees
The problem, then, becomes: "What's more relevant, the constellations, or the degrees they rule?" I, personally, hedge my bets with the star configurations rather than the arbitrary (due to deep-time factors) designation on the degrees.

I understand your concern but largely feel it to be a non-issue. The properties of a given constellation will remain the same provided the constellation is gathered enough, spatially, for identification. The rulership of degrees is based on their set date 2600 years back, not so much the other way around.

>Rev
>Sea of Glass
And the poets have feigned songs about her, and the prophets have spoken vain things, and the young men have dreamed vain dreams; but this is she, that immaculate, the name of whose name may not be spoken. Thought cannot pierce the glory that defendeth her, for thought is smitten dead before her presence. Memory is blank, and in the most ancient books of Magick are neither words to conjure her, nor adorations to praise her. Will bends like a reed in the temptests that sweep the borders of her kingdom, and imagination cannot figure so much as one petal of the lilies whereon she standeth in the lake of crystal, in the sea of glass.

~Liber 418, 9th Aethyr.

( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1GBrr7nB3U )

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>>18019507
>I, personally, hedge my bets with the star configurations rather than the arbitrary (due to deep-time factors) designation on the degrees.
>I understand your concern but largely feel it to be a non-issue

I don't understand your response.
Astrology.
I draw a chart based on standard formulae.
Planet x is at 0 Aries.
In reality, Planet x is at 28 Aquarius (approx).
Respectfully, that's a big deal.
Astrology is taught using 600 BCE positions and not the actual positions (let alone sizes) of the constellations.

>pic related

Anyway. Gotta go.
Thanks, as always, for your time

>>18019538
I don't think I'm articulating myself well enough but that's been a running theme today.

>Respectfully, that's a big deal

Well, sorta, it depends on what we weight as the core important bit, the degree designation or what position in the sky the planet in question is functionally within.

If using the old system is uncomfortable, push your positions around by X degrees as needed per planet.

Also, if you don't think the size or position of the constellations matter, remember that in just over 10k years, most constellations are going to be utterly unrecognizable to our ancestors, or us. Also, the Western system is not the only one that's around.

I generally feel this is a nonissue given that in either you set the degree correlations in stone and don't fuck with it, or pushing your positions around for actual position in the sky is as easy as opening up your favorite stargazing program or taking a gander at the sky.

And at that point I'm not entirely sure what you're asking: How to push planets or what they mean in their position. If you're question's on meaning then I'd posit to keep the attributions of the individual constellations rather than their set standardized point 2600 years back.

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ey you want some fuck?

xxx all rated un rated all stars hot right now

whachu bitches know bout black binah?

play nice now

>>18019011
Yes but you will probably never do it you weak bitch.

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Hey Ape, are you still planning on reuploading the Hoodoo Rootwork file in Voodoo so that it will work correctly? I'd really appreciate it, many thanks.

Ape this is kind of off topic but what program did you use to create your tripcode?

>>18020228
Entirely forgot, gimmie a few, redownloading now, with extra materials, will upload ASAP.

>>18020236
It was a website long long ago that essentially took random spitouts from said programs and listed as many as humanly possible for quick websearches instead of waiting an hour or two for whichever program to output the hash I want(ed).

I also used to post with the hash A1WA5, and have a few others in the holster for funposting purposes.

>>18021105
(dunno why I didn't use this hash for /sum/)

>>18021105
>>18020228
Half done on the upload, I got five volume rootwork/voodoo encyclopedia that's going up with it (hopefully).

Many apologies to Palochan (if they're even around these days) for not keeping my materials on the up.

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What sort of ceremonial dance do you do and why is it butoh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNvxYXKBmcU

Is there a good, concise magic curriculum that doesn't include a pseudo or literal religion and is not written by an author who's in desperate search for validation with his wacky antics and/or edgyness?

Seriously, I do not care about your worldviews or humor, I just want a nice, clean workbook that doesn't want me to praise the sun or pray to an irrelevant deity.

>>18021168
>I just want a nice, clean workbook that doesn't want me to praise the sun or pray to an irrelevant deity.
Then this probably isn't the thread for you, because guess what most workbooks in occultism have you do?
>maintain discipline of veneration over long periods to entities you may or may not identify with

I'd say Liber Null/Psychonaut/Liber Kaos, but in the end it's just tech for winging the exact thing you describe. Hell, even the old Yoga manuals have the aim of self identification/dissolution into a godform.

>>18021168
>is there a religious practice not part of religious practice?
>I'm a serious guy and want serious guys who are serious about being serious
I'd say mahamudra but the mahasiddhas don't meet the second part (or the first, unless meditational deities don't count).

To ask a question, why would you not worship what you wish to become?

>>18021188
>To ask a question, why would you not worship what you wish to become?

21

ΚΕΦΑΛΗ ΚΑ

THE BLIND WEBSTER

It is not necessary to understand; it is enough to adore.
The god may be of clay: adore him; he becomes GOD.
We ignore what created us; we adore what we create. Let us create nothing but GOD!
That which causes us to create is our true father and mother; we create in our own image, which is theirs.
Let us create therefore without fear; for we can create nothing that is not GOD.

~Liber 333

>>18021198
I close my eyes and seize it
I clench my fist and beat it
I light my torch and burn it
I am the Beast that I worship.

>>18021201
AND I KNOW SOON COMES MY TIME FOR IN MINE VOID A PALE HORSE BURNS BUT I FEAR NOT THE TIME I'M TAKEN PAST THE POINT OF NO RETURN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqcTVVUFnKQ

>>18021131
>>18020228
https://mega.nz/#F!EIpgEZ7Z!jquC5hdIatBr0C_-UckZsw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn7gK73uxsM

>>18019507
>And the poets have feigned songs about her, and the prophets have spoken vain things, and the young men have dreamed vain dreams; but this is she, that immaculate, the name of whose name may not be spoken. Thought cannot pierce the glory that defendeth her, for thought is smitten dead before her presence. Memory is blank, and in the most ancient books of Magick are neither words to conjure her, nor adorations to praise her. Will bends like a reed in the temptests that sweep the borders of her kingdom, and imagination cannot figure so much as one petal of the lilies whereon she standeth in the lake of crystal, in the sea of glass.
>~Liber 418, 9th Aethyr.

Always brings a tear.

>>18018989
>Would the daily practice of the LRP and assuming Hippocrates make the "aura" impregnable and resilient as described above?
No, use better methods without the dead weight of autistic role-play rituals. Work on your aura directly.

>>18021293
>93
Post some tech instead of bitching like a woman shedding her uterine lining, perchance?

>>18021188
>To ask a question, why would you not worship what you wish to become?
I don't want to become ganesh fuck off with your curryshit

>>18021168
>Seriously, I do not care about your worldviews or humor, I just want a nice, clean workbook that doesn't want me to praise the sun or pray to an irrelevant deity.
Then stay away from these threads, because they're 80% roleplay.

I recommend Initiation into Hermetics and Robert Bruce. Ignore Bardon's hippy-dippy Theory section in IIH and just focus on the exercises.

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>>18021299
>focus on Bardon's exercises
>doesn't want autistic roleplay rituals
>curryshit sucks
>except when Bardon directly references Pranayama

Is this like extra level shitposting or something?

All I see is a bunch of weird words like Aura and some Astrology silliness?

>>18021295
You're the cancer that's killing /x/. Fuck off and go roleplay with your edgy dragon vessels. Chumbley died prematurely because he was a hack like you.

>>18021301
>Pranayama
Who gave pranayama to curryniggers? Oh right, foreign invaders on chariots who spoke a proto-slavic language. Fuck off.

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>>18021305
Well, people were talking about auric and astrological matters.

What would YOU like to talk about, Anon. I opened the thread with a Sabbatic Rosary and images from handwritten Enochian manuscripts, so we can always reorient conversation.

Even added some new rootwork material if that's your bag.

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>>18021307
>You're the cancer that's killing /x/. Fuck off and go roleplay with your edgy dragon vessels. Chumbley died prematurely because he was a hack like you.
>he still mad

>Fuck off.
Yeah, no I'm not going anywhere.

People have been shitposting these threads for like almost five years now. Didn't go away when fuckposters bombed the threads with loli, your whining isn't going to do much, friendo.

>PIE peoples
I hope you realize our current model is that most of the contemplative mysticism came from the Dravidians, with the PIE folks providing ritual superstructure and codified dogma/theology, and possibly an entheogenic cult.

>>18017676
Just replied. My nigga

CS would probably go mental if it was leaked- guess the question is if anything is particularly different in her MS as opposed to the published one

>>18021333
>333
I don't think the manuscripts are incredibly variant; the ones that mention high variance have already gone.

The big deal is those gestures in the catalog of unpublished art, but it's going to be a few more days before I place the order.

>>18021310
I always wonder if Runic magic is ever discussed here.

I just wonder if people ever consider it or are people more into Vodun/Sabbatic.

>>18021315
>I hope you realize our current model is that most of the contemplative mysticism came from the Dravidians, with the PIE folks providing ritual superstructure and codified dogma/theology, and possibly an entheogenic cult.
The only dravidian contribution is low caste slave work. There's a reason they're all 5'6 shitskins with IQs of 85. Spiritual degeneration shows up physically.

>entheogenic cult
Soma is a spiritual elixir, not some mushroom. No shock skitskins perverted the concept and also no shock that that's why you like them.

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>>18021345
Not particularly, we leave the white nationalism to /pol/, though I've talked a bit about the Svartkonstbocker/Galdrabok.

>>18021347
>it's not a mushroom
http://scfh.ru/en/news/we-drank-soma-we-became-immortal-/

Can you go a single post without baseless insults and bitching like a teenage girl?

>>18021333
Also, hit you back with more detail in email about what I'm planning out.

>>18021299
>I recommend Initiation into Hermetics and Robert Bruce. Ignore Bardon's hippy-dippy Theory section in IIH and just focus on the exercises.

Thanks. I was wondering wch flavor of troll you were.

>>18021307
>Oh right, foreign invaders on chariots who spoke a proto-slavic language.

kek

There is no evidence of any invasion of South Asia by steppe savages.

Sorry, whitey.

>>18021356
>Can you go a single post without baseless insults and bitching like a teenage girl?

Be kind. You'd be bitchy too, stumbling through life with a 4-inch dick and a face like a pepperoni pizza.

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>>18021371
>There is no evidence of any invasion of South Asia by steppe savages.
Sigma, hush, you'll destroy his half-literate and impotent white-power fantasies....then what'll he have left? Fuckin' his cousin? His job as a Wal-Mart greeter?

Methinks he's just miffed that Deepak Rajneesh Pajeet Kumswarmi Patel stole the programming job he was never qualified for in the first place.

>>18021379
If only someone had given your grandparents a blanket in their time of need.

>>18021385
Yeah nobody gave my grandparents anything but they certainly *earned* engineering/architectural and psychiatric degrees.

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Bump for good books and good discussion :^)

>>18021356
>a mushroom is depicted in a piece of art
>Soma must be a mushroom
retard. No plant has the properties of Soma.

>>18021371
>hiding your trip
I'm going to assume you're not white, in which case idgaf what you think.

>>18018713
>believing in space
Of course you would, tripfaggot

>>18021436
>No plant has the properties of Soma.

This is the most profoundly retarded statement i've ever seen on the ashes of what was once this board.

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>tfw you will never be a TRV enLIGHTened and proud Aryan anthrosophist who jams animal feces into a ram's horn to ensure this year's carrot harvest

>>18021444
>fills you with light, pleasure and gives immortality
Soma is an elixir, so all mushrooms are out immediately.

But go ahead. Take shrooms and pretend that you're a wizard.

>>18021477
>it's impossible to make a liquid preparation of a solid material
>let me just ignore the fact that we have multiple written and archaeological instances of psilocybin bearing mushrooms being shredded and suspended in honey

>>18021448
why are you shitposting like this Thoth

>>18021481
Why the fuck would you milk a mushroom instead of eating it? That's a redflag right there.

Also, if your proof is >>18021356, give me something better. A 2000 year old piece of art in China showing shrooms isn't conclusive proof of anything.

>>18021490
They taste like shit and throwing it in some ghee with bhang a bit of clove and an antiemetic makes for a much more pleasant experience.
>t. pandit in cuisine

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>>18021488
>talking about feces related practices of the PIE people is shitposting.

Literally, maybe, but it beats the poo in loo spam :^3

>>18021490
>milk
wtf are you on about? I'm talking about liquid suspensions or other preparations as was done with kykeon, so there's at minimum historical precedent for liquid preparations of psychoactive substances. I'm not sure what's hard to grasp about this.

>shred, powder, or pulverize your plant material
>add liquid
>???
>nausea mitigated

>the tapestry
Did you read the source article at all w/r/t the archaeometrically analyzed origins of the tapestry?

>>18021494
>I'm talking about liquid suspensions or other preparations as was done with kykeon
Soma is always described as a greenish or yellowish liquid, not a shroom suspended in honey. It's clearly implied that it's milked from a plant. Since when do shrooms make you immortal and fill you with pleasure?

>origins of the tapestry?
I'm not arguing the origins. People getting high off of shrooms isn't evidence of Soma being shroom juice. The effects are totally different and nobody is dumb enough to milk a mushroom when you can just eat it.

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>>18021526
>Soma is always described as a greenish or yellowish liquid, not a shroom suspended in honey
Wait...have you ever actually seen what honey suspensions look like? Add some ghee and think about what color it would be.

>milking
You ever think, just for a moment, that it wasn't a standardized preparation, and there may have been a misidentification of which ingredients cause which effects? For example, most Aya tribes don't think that the hostilis plant has any property at all, and it's the B. caapi which holds all psychoactive properties.

>nobody's dumb enough to prepare mushroom when you can just eat them
>>18021481
>>let me just ignore the fact that we have multiple written and archaeological instances of psilocybin bearing mushrooms being shredded and suspended in honey

>>18021379
>Wal-Mart greeter
They still around? I never get a sticker anymore. Sounds like a kushy job too...

>>18021379
>Methinks he's just miffed that Deepak Rajneesh Pajeet Kumswarmi Patel stole the programming job he was never qualified for in the first place.

Indeed.

>>18021436
>I'm going to assume you're not white

Very white. Unlike your mongrel ass, my ancestors have been landholders in the New World since the early 1600s.

>>18021444

For reals.

>>18021477
>Soma is an elixir, so all mushrooms are out immediately.

top fuckin kek!

Any books on dipsomancy? I have my own workings, but the nature of the work precludes tidy notation.

>>18021554
>Very white. Unlike your mongrel ass, my ancestors have been landholders in the New World since the early 1600s.
So do I and yet I look like ape for reasons I have yet to uncover.

>>18021538
Like I said, Soma is described as being crushed with stones for its juice and then strained, not a shroom that is chopped. There's still no explanation for the fantastic effects of Soma which psilocybin doesn't account for.

Soma is the moon, and so it's milked from a lunar plant. The chakras are equivalents to the planets/metals, so one of them has to secrete Soma after being stimulated. But whatever, just get high.

>>18021554
>my ancestors have been landholders in the New World since the early 1600s.
And probably a few indians and niggers like 99% of Americans.

I'll admit that you're a great shitposter though sigma

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Link dying? It's been like this for a while.
Help!?

What are the official and unofficial ways to join the A.A. if I'm in the mid-atlantic east coast? Is it worth it?

>>18021562
>>18021538
>You ever think, just for a moment, that it wasn't a standardized preparation, and there may have been a misidentification of which ingredients cause which effects? For example, most Aya tribes don't think that the hostilis plant has any property at all, and it's the B. caapi which holds all psychoactive properties.

>>18021560
Alcohol? I got little, if anything.

>>18021575
Does that shit sometimes. Opens fine on my end. Maybe wait a bit, try a different browser, clear your cache, etc.

>>18021580
>unofficial
Just do probation, run Pyramidos/ThROA, and go from there.

>>18021580
>What are the official

That's kinda the catch, right now. There's only one branch that's arguably valid and it's failing to impress. Best bet, unfortunately, is his advice >>18021592. Be very diligent in keeping your journal. Record the time of each entry and, if you go more than 24 hrs before update, that's a failure and start again.

Take it seriously and you're more likely, should you find someone to take you on, to be taken seriously.

I honestly don't know what we're going to do about the current hot mess, if anything.

>>18021625
I know it's all already there as I've read it, but is there a more precise itinerary for probationers/neophytes? I know what I need to do but not necessarily the order to do it in or for how long. I have two good hours a day most days to devote if I don't come here to shitpost and while it's more than enough for my usual praxis, figuring out what from e and o to work on and for how long is tricky.

>>18021625
>>18021592
Also what is this juicy queer ass wizard drama I've been hearing about for like a year now of coming here?

Hey "The Ape!", you got any more stuff written by Frater Shiva (Not the Australian guy)

I found the "Magical Cactus Voice" in your collection, but any pdf's for books like "Inside Solar Lodge" etc.

These guys mugged Germer's wife, stole bunch of rare Crowleyana among other documents. Some of the stuff got later burned and in the aftermath you got the "Boy in the Box" case etc.

>>18021592
>it was shrooms, even though the evidence says it wasn't
Go eat some shrooms like every other mundane degenerate then. I'm sure that'll make you immortal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwF9FYVDt_k

>>18021729
>82 commandments
Here's four.
>sit down
>stop thinking
>shut up
>get out

>>18021625
>more than 24 hrs before update, that's a failure and start again.
Even that's a touch of a hard-ass perspective. AC's journals have pretty routine gaps of about seven days. Don't think of it as "fail, start again" but "be more diligent and don't give up".

>>18021670
There used to be more I discuss, but these days I've kept out of Order business.

>>18021694
>but any pdf's for books like "Inside Solar Lodge" etc
I don't think I have a copy of Solar Lodge.

The person who robbed Germer's wife was Seckler's daughter; I don't think she had much of any permanent involvement in solar lodge...their structure was much more 'revolving door' than anything.

>>18021717
Not at all, I'm simply indicating that it's a historical precedent that early and even contemporary religious texts/practices can easily misidentify the origin of action for certain plant related effects.

And you've not lived until you've done Yoga, actual disciplined Yoga, on a quarter of shrooms. Feel free to call me a degenerate, but that's not going to stop me from seasonal use of tryptamine based compounds.

>>18021750
>The person who robbed Germer's wife was Seckler's daughter; I don't think she had much of any permanent involvement in solar lodge... their structure was much more 'revolving door' than anything.

Fra. Shiva's version of the events:
When Capricornus and Sol returned from their 1966, six-month journey to Europe, they had stopped by West Point to visit Sacha Germer (wife of the deceased Karl Germer, Frater Saturnus). Sacha ran them off, being in an apparently demented state. So they returned to Los Angeles, where Capricornus conferred with Shem. She told him the library was under the care of an insane person and that she wanted the books "soon."

Shem had one of the nicest, kindest, most benevolent personalities that you could possibly ever encounter, but underneath, his basic character was sadistic. One day, in 1965, Capricornus went to Shem for some dental procedure. Shem medicated her with the strongest stuff in his pharmaceutical arsenal: Demerol, Seconal, Vistaril, & Scopalomine - a heavy sedative mixture and "truth serum." It worked for the dentistry, but Capricornus was in a semi-hypnotic state for over 24 hours. The point is, Shem enjoyed mixing and administering intravenous sedation cocktails (sometimes even to himself).

So it came to pass that Shem and a few of his students went to West Point, grabbed the old lady, and Shem administered one of his famous mixtures. Shem sat holding Sacha's hand while the others loaded up many of the books. Although there had been reports of how Mrs. Germer had been beaten, Shem insisted that she had been treated in a very gentle manner. Regardless of his viewpoint, the administration of unwanted, potent drugs is considered to be battery.

Shem described to Shiva, in great detail, how Sacha reacted, for this was the crux of his tale, the thing that had impressed and haunted him for many years. "She thought I was Karl Germer," he said. "She kept calling me 'Karl,' and I felt as if I actually was her husband."

>>18021767
And so the books quietly made their way into the Solar Lodge library, along with piles of other books that were bought, begged, borrowed, or liberated from other sources. We have given this subject some length as it is a key point in the overall story. Other groups always felt that Solar Lodge was the group that plundered the library, and it turns out that they were right. Unfortunately, virtually all this material was destroyed in the fiery destruction of Solar Ranch in 1969.

A few items survived; for example, Anubis said (in 1981) that he had a copy of the Crowley-Germer correspondence. It has recently become well known that the son of Anubis had joined the "Caliphate." As a token of his sincerity (?) importance (?), lineage (?) [choose the appropriate word], he gave them this correspondence that really isn't so exotic – several other groups also had/have copies of the same material.

>>18021767
>Shem described to Shiva, in great detail, how Sacha reacted, for this was the crux of his tale, the thing that had impressed and haunted him for many years. "She thought I was Karl Germer," he said. "She kept calling me 'Karl,' and I felt as if I actually was her husband."
Sasha went through a LOT. By the end she was about as gone as a person can be even without the heavy psychoactive compounds.

She was in the room when Karl's wound dressing ripped his dick off, though the onset of Fournier gangrene meant he was more or less dead before they noticed his skin ripping off.

It would, however, make sense then, that Sasha called out Seckler's kid; she probably had no clue who was going through the house.

>>18017818
This.

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>>18021790
If everyone who bitched about me posted some on-topic info instead of bitching about me, I wouldn't be the most prominent voice in these threads.

Shit's a two way street and as far as I'm concerned you can contribute or fuck off.

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Could someone help me identify this symbol, it looks magick related.

>>18021749
That's what Tim Leary said, right?

>>18021855
Well, let's break it down.

We have:
R, O, one, maybe two Ts, maybe an L, a V.
We have marks which would normally indicate the start and stop of a sigil coming off of a Rose Cross interior, a solar cross/Gnostic cross/element Earth cross. We have a pentacle, and that's about it.

Looks like a chaos sigil, for the most part. Doesn't seem easily identifiable. Since I see nothing on a reverse image search, I imagine it's a personal use sigil, given it's on someone's skin and this variant.

>>18021221
Thanks so much, love these threads you run. You put in a lot, and the dedication shows.

Anyone have experience with grey aliens appearing during evocations?

How well are we all going through this Father Portal that has been opened in this week?

So far I'm battling with my sexual energy. Trying not to stay stuck in bed bitching about stuffs.

And you guys?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6rCk1Uxy_c

Reminder to pray for Sri Ganesha.

>>18021979
I had my first good fap in ages and haven't gotten shit done otherwise.

>>18021963
You're very welcome friend, that's what I'm here for.

>>18021979
>Father Portal
What?

>>18021993
>93
Will do.
I found out a few of my nontantrik friends got deep into the Elephant God.

>>18018866
>the connection doesn't mean Chumbley WASN'T balls deep in Kaula, given his initiation from Mahendranath

Not only was he not initiated by Mahendranath, he wasn't exactly "balls deep" in the tradition either.

"Anyway Andrew and John [Power, his actual initiator] fell out over mainly the idea that the lineage cannot be passed on until the head guru dies. Andrew never really studied the system he was initiated in as successor, he more collected the initiation. As a result sadly he wasn’t really in the second order of the system when he initiated others into it and without informing the head guru, John Power either those initiations need to be negotiated with John. Andrew declared war on his guru and though his guru tried to talk to him, he got blanked. Six months later Andrew had died. In our tradition we say he let his ego get the better of him a potentially fatal mistake in Left Hand Path Magick."

http://www.lashtal.com/forums/topic/chumbley-and-left-hand-tantra/

>>18022161
>http://www.lashtal.com/forums/topic/chumbley-and-left-hand-tantra/
Interesting, newer thread, I've not been lurking lashtal for a while. From the same poster:

>I have no criticism of Andrew Chumbley, the Left Hand Path is not an easy path and I wish it on nobody. It is the difficult path or the path of Alchemia in The CHYMICAL WEDDING OF CHRISTIAN ROSENKRUTZ. Your only salvation is that you replace completely your own self-ego with that of the Guru Line. The consequences of not fulfilling this are most dia. To be fair to Andrew much of what was said about the Left Hand Path ***back then was bullshit, he probably had no idea of the seriousness of it all.***

Or, perhaps more accurately, he had a literal distaste for the materials given a constant instance on 'both hands alike'. I don't doubt that he was an initiation collector, but comparing the texts that are published between Paratrisikavivirana, I can only say the similarities are more than incidental. Moreover, given the guy plugs his lineage as an alternative, there may be some underlying motive to paint a less rosy picture...

THAT SAID, if there's not any serious Kaula in the CS, which would make a lot of damn sense given the Ku-Trishula's been dead quiet (and they removed the Mahendranath namedrop from the CS site, that had me curious), then I can just pump some back in, given I *have* spent some serious time with the material, initiation or not. Very interestingly, after a conversation with Lokanath, I was told I don't *need* initiation, which I can't really interpret in context - he never followed up and it was just puzzling as fuck to be told that.

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>>18022204
To wit: I know an initiate right now who does not appear to be fulfilling his obligations that's in rehab with some serious liver issues.

But then, if reprisal for failure is a thing, where (why, even) does Lokanath stand?

The whole thing is bewildering to me. The only information I trust these days is in core texts; maybe we ARE in the Kali fuckin' Yuga.

Pic related?

>>18022225
>>18022204
And of course John Power's website appears to be down, so there's no clarity to be found there. No links to his books that I'm finding quickly.

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>>18022204
>Interesting, newer thread, I've not been lurking lashtal for a while

It's from 2013.

>>18022225
>>18022232
There'd be no clarity even if the website was up:
http://web.archive.org/web/20130520212423/http://www.johnpowerweb.co.uk

I just need to head west and distance myself from all these Thelema/Wicca+Kaula lines and hunker down around Mark D.'s students like I was told in the first place.

And from there I'll puzzle out clarity for myself.

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>>18022241
And I've been online for a long goddamn time and used to browse Lashtal fairly regularly until I started amassing my own large knowledge base w/r/t the Crowley materials.

I think my last serious visit was 2012, probably around this time of year.

I'm just puzzled by...a lot w/r/t this lineal clusterfuck. I wonder what Bennett there thinks of the LA rite in DBoE. It has a fairly direct reference to the Kaula rite, in my humble opinion.

>>18022259
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

Probably that

Love is the law, love under will.

ALex

would be my guess.

>>18022270
Your post seems formatted poorly or something, I could take that a few different ways.

If this is Alex, have you lurked these threads before? If not, and were attempting to simulate a hypothetical response, pardon the 'tism, but it'd be nice to bounce ideas off someone in terms of taking the Chumbley corpus as a springboard for other shit, because that day's comin' quick.

>>18022314
It's not, I was just shitposting about signatures. I thought those things died, but I haven't been on a forum since 2008 unless I have a computer issue that will never be solved by going on a forum.

Moving on to something constructive, where do you want to go with the Chumbley corpus? Are we building western Kaula here?

What I see is the framework of traditional craft being used to support any admixture of theory and practice, so the question then becomes whether one is making use of the ritual structure, the practices themselves or the syncretic philosophy, or taking the idea of such a model and building a metamodel to construct anything you want.

>>18022359
>Are we building western Kaula here
I'm trying. In some form.

Look, I eat magickal systems for breakfast at this point. That thing you said is something the West has been pussyfooting around for over 100 years and my closest most trusted contact tells me that the only way to actually "win" is fly to India and cross your fingers. Every single line in east and west is in some stage of collapse or disintegration.

I'd agree with your analysis but that framework seems to either have dual root or maybe even Cunning Craft's coincidental discovery of a 'new' mystical linguistics.

The circle of syllables in Azoetia and DBoE appear to be reaching out to English as Abhinavagupta reached out to Hindi, but that may be my linguistics minor talking.

I'm not sure to what end these studies are yet; I just know my next nearest guideposts.

>>18022370
If you threw everything out and were to start from scratch, what would you do and where would you begin? In essence, what works and how does it build upon itself?

>>18022370
>>18022359
Here's what has me scratching my head about Alex there; what constitutes an ego break? Obviously the line had zero issue with Chumbley passing around Kaula flavored rites in the CSC/Ku-Sebbitu. The initiation thing sounds like a larger breach of ethics, but to be dead fucking frank, it's not like the wellspring of that line had his shit together either; we all know what happened to Mahendranath. And Lokanath kept on truckin' with zero cosmic reprisal.

Without hearing any more detail, it COULD BE that Chumbley was handing out the initiation he collected, instead of the initiation he should have been giving. There are multiple tiers and protocols for getting this shit done. Abhinavagupta himself even says self initiation's entirely in the realm of possibility. Some part of me wonders if that's what Lokanath's comment to me was all about, but then I dunno what to do from there, as I'm *certainly* not going to figure out each of the initiatory mantras, despite having found a few posted publicly or which could possibly be used in substitution. At least one is in Paratrisikavivirana.

My first impression is that Alex's post there is 15-20% truth with some posturing filling out the rest...objective input between squabbling lines is going to be impossible.

>>18022431
Early yoga, physical discipline.

I started hard and early which is why I slack off now sometimes. In some certain sense, the deepest layers are all at the end of strictly regimented contemplative protocols (veneration of godforms, down to every utterance being for and of Them), so establishing that sort of mental control should be the base. Maybe Art of Memory.

After that though, it becomes a matter of predicting others' aesthetics and tastes. My experiences may or may not be a model for someone else's Gnosis. Remember Crowley's comment about "practices *more or less similar* to mine". There's a lot of leeway after that.

Given the world we live in I might even bitch about education harder than Crowley did. There's entire academic fields of this shit now. The function of those who know What's What™ is as a lamp-holder until your feet are steady enough to take it on your own (and I mean this somewhat literally); we need, fucking have to, account for digitization.

The last time the Secret Chiefs intervened was before the rise of the home radio. They could BARELY cope with that world.

Anyway, in terms of frameworks, Chumbley is good for this. The basic A.'.A.'. structure is good for this. Any given tantrik model is good for this. Hebrew mysticism is good for this: At their core is linguistic mnemonics for Big Thinks, to externalize and play with them (sexually speaking, of course). The problem become simplifying nondual mysticism more than Crowley but less than the New Age section.

>>18022439
Abhinava is very clear on the matter of self-initiation if I remember correctly. Work. In conference with with my root guru, the answer I got is that it comes with the practice, with the devotion, when one has struck out to become like the best of a child, when one has successfully become nothing but the role one Plays. When it's nature, it comes naturally. At least this is what was revealed to me by a boy in my dreams with a smile that feels like lightning.

>>18022466
I've been having the easiest time stripping dzogchen down and adding to it as needed.

The problem on the philosophical end is what speaks to this age. I don't see nature as a known or driving force and almost an academic curiosity at this point in the game, so that's out. Fuck, I couldn't be in the woods alone enough to keep old currents burning, let alone understand them properly if I wanted to. What is the new mnemonic?

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>>18022517
>What is the new mnemonic
Tell me who the new Magus is and I'll tell you the new Word.

The scary bit is the feeling that the answer to that question is the same answer to who is the master that makes the grass green.

>>18022533
He is who he as always been, the opposer. In my own work towards an answer, the part I've been trying to decipher is what I can only describe as a negative lamp and whatever connotations that may have. Call me israel for mine is a struggle.

Hey Ape,how do I get an ex back?

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>There's no tantra in Chumbley, Alex said.
Great Triangle of Magical Power! Limitless Field ofSorcerous Ferocity!
Be Thou nailed to the barren earth with the Three Swords of the Black Light.
With the blade of action, I transfix Thee! O' Flesh of Kahu Tannat!
With the blade of intent, I transfix Thee! O' Flesh of Kahu Tannat!
With the blade of knowledge, I trans.fix Thee! O' Flesh of Kahu Tannat!

*

O' Bone-stave of Qayin! Spine of Serpent and Spine of Man!
Be Thou transformed into the Image of the Great Boughless Tree.
Let Thy summit pierce the Nowl-mark, the Open 'd Sable Rose,
and let Thy roots descend to drink amongst the bones of the dead.
As the Trident upon the grave of all Mortal Desire, do I plant Thee and raise Thee.
Be Thou the Unmoving Staff of the Wanderer: the Witching-pole of Al Thuba'.
>>>>>>>>>>Wheresoever Thou Art- there lieth the Heart of ******Kahu-La*******
There flow anew the Antient Blood-rivers
Transformed to Honey, Water, Milk and ~Vine
Tramform 'd to nourish the Flesh of Cain
And the Sleeping Watchers within.

>>18022679
Pic related?
And then if that doesn't work, just try to move on, I guess.

>>18022685
Thanks for your help in my time of need, jackass.

>>18022685
I'm not seeing any tantra there.

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>>18022740
>>18022685
>With the blade of action, I transfix Thee! O' Flesh of Kahu Tannat!
>With the blade of intent, I transfix Thee! O' Flesh of Kahu Tannat!
>With the blade of knowledge, I trans.fix Thee! O' Flesh of Kahu Tannat!

>Action
Apara
>Intent
Para
>Knowledge
Parapara

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Late evening bump.

>>18022685
>Qayin

Whats with this left-hand current 218 bullshit? I read liber falxifer and thought those guys were all a bunch of fags.

>>18023104
>left-hand current 218 bullshit
The text that was excerpted from appears to have been compiled about two years before Temple of Black Light was even formed.

>>18023121
They're still a bunch of fags.

>>18023131
>131
I don't entirely disagree, it appears much of 218's current shtick was lifted from Chumbley.

Hey ape, I'm looking to get into summoning my own godforms/spirits/elementals. The goal is to commune with Genghis Khan (who became a greater spirit in Tengriism). I'm certainly more of a right hand path kinda guy though. What I'm wondering is can I write my own magick? Heavily influenced by others of course.

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>>18024001
It's all good. We all write our own material at some point.

You think I'm transcribing DBoE verbatim? Lyl, no.

>>18022466
So basically:
>work the body to as healthy a state as viable
>gain control of the body
>remove as many internal conflicts as possible
>gain control of the mind

TL;DR: integrate yourself.

>>18021664
>I know it's all already there as I've read it, but is there a more precise itinerary for probationers/neophytes?

Not really, no. Probation is intended to see what you do with the material given, in pursuit of your interests, over the course of a year. The details are going to be somewhat specific to each individual. The task of the student is to familiarize themselves with the curriculum materials.

>>18021670
>Also what is this juicy queer ass wizard drama

It's a lot of inside baseball, really. Billy Breeze, the head of the OTO, and his sidekick, Jimmy Wasserman, are trying to make their 'guru', a fellow named James Daniel Gunther, the one-and-only head of the one-and-only valid lineage of the A∴A∴. They're even claiming that Gunther is a Master of the Temple and is the "World Teacher" prophesied by Crowley.

The implication is that the candle has finally gone out and the OTO is merely a pumpkin, again.

>>18021750
>Even that's a touch of a hard-ass perspective.

Keith was a hard-ass, yes, but I reckon that, if a fuck-up like me can do it, so can anyone attempting to follow in my footsteps.

Then again, Jones once described the dedication with wch I prosecuted my will as nothing short of "gruesome", so you may well be right.

>The person who robbed Germer's wife was Seckler's daughter

I still think this moves Phyllis into the inexcusable category.

There were a bunch of books stolen from Sasha, subsequently published by "Health Research". I assume it's that theft Anon has in mind.

>>18021878

Crowley, I think.

>>18024133
Any tips on summoning something so specific as the great Khan?

I'm also a bit concerned about how much control these servitors will have over me/my ego/psyche. Is the best advice keep a good collection of banishments?

>>18022062
>I found out a few of my nontantrik friends got deep into the Elephant God.

Everybody's got obstacles.

>>18022225
>maybe we ARE in the Kali fuckin' Yuga.

Corrosive times, to be sure.

>>18022466
>The last time the Secret Chiefs intervened was before the rise of the home radio. They could BARELY cope with that world.

And I keep circling back to this, over and over. I can plainly see the gap, but the peculiarities of my path leave me somewhat at a loss as to what to do about it.

White cats and rooftops.

>>18022533
>Tell me who the new Magus is and I'll tell you the new Word.

"Jubalcain"?

>The scary bit is the feeling that the answer to that question is the same answer to who is the master that makes the grass green.

Yep. That's the chilling answer I got back in February, I'm afraid.

>>18022586
>He is who he as always been, the opposer.

Meh. Deceiver, surely, but opposer?

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>>18024260
>James Daniel Gunther
>They're even claiming that Gunther is a Master of the Temple and is the "World Teacher" prophesied by Crowley

Looks like fucking faggot to me. Another author writing shit books about Thelemic practice anyone with internet himself could dig out 1000x faster

Boleskine House just literally burned down to the ground, Crowley must be rolling in his grave

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>>18021829
>tells others to contribute or to fuck off

>tells others to fuck off once they've contributed because he disagrees with them

what a fucking faggot.

>people have been shitposting these threads for five years

probably because you're a massive cock sucking, ego stroking tripfaggot who berates others by throwing his education in their faces as tho your time at college made your spiritual knowledge or approaches more valid than others.

you're like a bible thumper, except grimoires. you're pretty much a grimoire pushing fundie, which turns alternative magicial discussion to "nuh huh, muh academics!" and "fuck off, i suck cocks of societies and notable authors". you're a fucking cocky faggot and people should rightfully shit all over your narcissism and self-proclaimed ways of correct spirituality.

shit is definitely a two way street, you dense motherfucker.

>>18024309
>Crowley must be rolling in his grave
He was cremated and the ash was spread on the chalk cliffs he climbed as a youth.

>>18024319
http://www.cornelius93.com/Grady-CrowleysAshes.html

I thought this was the true story and Yes. I am aware of his cremation.

>>18024322
Must be.

Old biographical materials keep being overturned, I guess K, et al., corroborated HA's story of the events.

Now I'm going to have to wade through the changelog on the wiki to find the old citation.

>>18024333
>Old biographical materials keep being overturned, I guess K, et al., corroborated HA's story of the events.

Tell me more?

Btw. does your collection have the OS23 microfilm and what exactly is in that document? I understood it was falsely labelled as (OS21).

Is OS23 released to the public?

>>18024317
(you)

>>18024335
>OS23
Nope, all I have is the prospectus for Liber AL vel Bogus.

Nobody knows what's in it. It was redacted from the public. If you wanna fly to the Warburg and suck dicks 'till they let you see it, be my guest, but don't expect it to still be in the folder.

I have a sneaking suspicion that and a few of the OTO dox are what Gunther references and/or claims as his own elaboration in the texts he's published, such as the Pentacle of V.V.V.V.V.

As for the ashes I have a distinct memory of at least one compilation on the wiki, maybe even years ago, that connects his death with the hills of his youth. Maybe I'm thinking of some post-death ceremony.

I don't like spreading misinfo so I'm going to try to contextualize that story, who pulled it from where.

>>18021356
>runic magic
>white nationalism

what's your beef? you're smarter than you're making yourself sound.

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>>18024339
I know right?

>"I disagree with X because of sources Y and Z."
>"Abluh abluh abluh *sniffle* STOP BERATING MEEEEEEE"

>"Here's four hundred unique path options to chose from"
>"Wait, you dislike some of what you present? REEEEEEEEE Y U SAY ONLY U HAVE THE CORRECT PATH????"

>>18024350
Tards will be tards. How are we standing on that paperwork with Dirge? Did that sitdown happen?

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>>18024347
>I can't joke about white nationalism on a site with one of the biggest echo chambers of alt-right ideology.

I have little to no beef but the only time I've seen runics brought up in these threads was when the winterchan-niggers were trying to construct rites to kill all shitskins.

I'm working on a book about the occult symbolism in Chris-Chan's comics. Right now I'm describing the invocation of Sonichu. Do you guys want me to link the pdf or something when I'm done?

>>18024354
Um, I keep getting radio silence from all sympathetic parties.

Shit's kinda going down with all lines of contact I have, to the point where I've considered writing the A.'.A.'. wing of the ICoT.

Hence comments above about the Kali Yuga.

>>18017665
Is there any info on George Cecil Jones and why did they have "falling out" with Crowley?

In Liber LXI vel Causae, Crowley refers to both his cooperation with Jones (referred to as D.D.S.) in founding ‘the Order of the Silver Star

>19. Returing to England, he laid his achievements humbly at the feetof a certain adept D.D.S., who welcomed him brotherly and admitted his title to the grade which he had so hardly won.

>22. Therefore by the order of D.D.S. did P. prepare all things by his arcane science and wisdom…

>25. Now when P. had this with bitter toil prepared all things under the guidance of D.D.S. …

I've always understood that Crowley thought of D.D.S (Jones) as his superior, at least in 1907?
Not much info available on Jones though.

>>18024385
>Is there any info on George Cecil Jones and why did they have "falling out" with Crowley?
We have literally nothing on GC Jones, other than some really vague biographical material.

I'm not even sure there was exactly a falling out; all we know there was a paper in 1911 that made some >bold claims about his associations with Crowley and he sued them.

After that, here's what we know for certain:
>Little is known about his life except for his roles in the history of the Golden Dawn and as a friend and associate of Crowley. He retired as a chemist in 1939. In the 1950s Jones and his wife were living at 14 Elphinstone Road, Hastings. His wife died on 4 January 1952 at Hastings. He died on 30 October 1960 at St. Helens Hospital in Hastings.

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>>18024362
This isn't just shitposting btw. The working title right now is Liber Autismis

>>18024397
Make sure you include a chapter on slathering self inflicted taint-wounds with Estrogel whilst listening to binaural hypnotic induction to shrink your dick.

You can probably get some input on all that from Raine Ashford.

>>18024309

DRJ maintains that Gunther's the lamb, from the 20th aethyr in, The Vision and the Voice, and thus a fulfillment of prophecy.

I must admit, it is kind of interesting who is and is not deceived.

>>18024333

That's the story I was told, back in the day, that he was dumped under a tree.

>>18024369
>Um, I keep getting radio silence from all sympathetic parties.

I get the impression that, for all his unflappability, the Dirge didn't cotton to us slagging off his student. Felt kinda stupid that I hadn't realized he was his student, but then I can be a bit slow, sometimes.

Why can't shit be simple?

>>18024391

So, he MAY have been in contact with C to the end?

>>18024411
>So, he MAY have been in contact with C to the end?
I got no clue.

W/r/t the other Frater K, if someone can't speak to me like a human, I dunno why I should give them the time of day, especially when rhetoric crosses the border into incoherence.

Example, the thread with Alex from Lashtal w/r/t the Kaula line of Chumbley lists names, dates, and detailed criticism, as where K would simply pinball from one unsubstantiated claim to the next whilst dodging my queries and arguing for what appeared to be complete reduction of mysticism to shamanism, using his sacred tool of 'logic'.

Why would I seek Truth with someone who does not have it in their Will to be Truthful?

More scary, maybe Dirge is starting to recognize things bursting at the seams. Why else would he pass of certain documents under the implicit assumption that I'm going to post 'em errywhere?

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>>18024406
Honestly, it's clear to me that Chris-Chan's psyche is degrading because he failed to invoke Sonichu correctly. Upon invocation of Sonichu, Rosechu is simultaneously evoked, perhaps as a result of equilibrium being achieved. However, I don't believe Rosechu represents a polar opposite of Sonichu (for reasons that would take way too long to explain here), but still provides a necessary factor for the continued manifestation of Sonichu outside of the initial ritual involving the 'Perfect Chaos Monster.' This process is ultimately what Chris-Chan calls his 'Love Quest.'

Clearly, his failure to meet the requirements of the Love Quest have resulted in the mental state you see him in today. His psyche seeks to meet the requirements of form necessary to accommodate Sonichu; however, this would now simply result in a hollow shell only giving the appearance of Rosechu, as Sonichu was clearly not invoked, at least not properly.

>>18024440
>The Spirit-Journey of Christian Weston Chandler: A Jungian Analysis

>>18024443
It's Liber Autismis mang, I'll post a copy here when I'm done

>>18024440
Chris Chan failed the Knowledge & Conversation of the HGA and invoked his 'evil genius' instead.

Instead of spiritually understanding the union of opposites in himself - masculine / feminine / fire / water / the holy hexagram /; he became to identify as a woman in the physical realm and to complete his (un)divine perversion: He declared himself as a lesbian tranny

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>>18024446
>>18024447

>B-Manajerk is, in the purest sense, an eidolon of Chandler's sublimated discomfort toward the Lacanian Other.

>>18024432
>Why would I seek Truth with someone who does not have it in their Will to be Truthful?

I can find no fault in you or your behavior in this matter. I've probably been overly harsh, but not dishonestly. K's a toxic mess. He crossed me, rather stupidly, and went out of his way to do it. Now they're both apparently puzzled by the consequences of their actions.

>More scary, maybe Dirge is starting to recognize things bursting at the seams. Why else would he pass of certain documents under the implicit assumption that I'm going to post 'em errywhere?

I think that's definitely a part of it, though I'm unsure how much of the shit-show he's willing to concede. If, as I've suspected, he knows we're up to something, that knowledge would put him in a difficult situation. I've seen him fall down in such situations, before.

>>18024456
He cut his balls and said he had a vagina.

>>18024456
http://sonichu.com/cwcki/Medallions

At least CWC's Talismanic Theory may prove useful. Perfect example of honest Chaos Magick.

>>18024459
>cut his balls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80X0pbCV_t4

>>18024466
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80X0pbCV_t4

That's pretty awesome.

Any examples of 'coincidences' happening with your magical work?

I for example "channeled" a liber few years ago after which I put the whole matter to a rest and did not even look at the document (Not trying to sound young Crowley "accidentally" finding Liber Legis again in Boleskine ).

I still believe it was a somewhat genuine piece of automatic writing and the text meant absolutely nothing to my magical work back then. I even wrote it under heavy dose of psychedelics.

Basically it was a short treatise and Tarot correspondences and few Qabalistic numbers that meant absolutely nothing. 2 years later I had somewhat 'breakthrough' in my magical work and found out the 'document' it was a bit surprise to notice that the "new values" I had received were channeled simply in different gematria 2 years ago.

Not really though much about it, but it was genuinely pleasant surprise that my gematria unconsciousness was working to that goal all along without my "person" not interfering or knowing the least bit of the whole process.

>>18024350
>I disagree with X because of sources Y and Z
No, ape. You actively suck GD cock and punish those who disagree with spergy walls of text full of drivel.

Chumbley died at 37 from asthma. I'm sure you'll do better though.

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>>18024491
You probably channeled pic related. Stay away from cocaine and human feces.

>>18024527

What a sad, silly creature.

>>18024541
put your trip back on you fucking faggot sigma

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>>18024552
>>18024527

>>18024536
https://www.amazon.com/Flying-Saucers-Modern-Things-Skies/dp/0691018227

Recommended reading.

>Shown here is a magical rosary consecrated to Azha-Qayin, the Ancestral Patron of the Sabbatic Craft Tradition. It was hand-carved by Alogos Dhu'l-qarnen Khidir over the course of two years. Its formation and occult significance is related in 'The Grimoire of the Golden Toad'.

How does a made-up tradition have an "Ancestral Patron"?

>The white disk-beads are individually fashioned from human femur bone. The quarter-marking 'eye' beads are carved from wood: blackthorn, holly, and oak. The quarter-guardian beads, carved in the form of ornate Death's-heads, are fashioned from stag antler. Each of these skull-beads represents a specific deity in the Sabbatic pantheon. The larger pendant bead is an antler-carved image of Qayin, surmounted by a hag-stone, and appended by a graven human tooth. The side counter beads are carved from lapis lazuli, terminated with antler tips. The additional counter string (for counting 1000's of mantic repetitions) shows a small wooden bead carved from mistletoe, an image of the Sabbatic deity Trivagantus, and a larger wooden bead carved from mandrake root. The coloured tassels denote the patronage of specific spirit-families. The entire construction of this magical tool embodies the Rosarium of Midnight. By the arrangement, form and juxtaposition of its beads it encrypts a complete grimoire in and of itself. The transmission of its teaching is thus 'wordless': the Book of A-logos.

Could they be overcompensating any harder for the fact that their "tradition" was cooked up to sell spooky looking books?

>>18024601
The use of Qayin as a devotional godform dates back to at least '61.

>>18024622
>AL I,46: "Nothing is a secret key of this law. Sixty-one the Jews call it; I call it eight, eighty, four hundred & eighteen."

Ain (Nothing) 61 + C (Cheth) = 8 = CAIN

>>18022533
>Tell me who the new Magus is and I'll tell you the new Word.

This question gnawed at me this past spring. I mean, I know I helped write the epitaph for the 93 current, but never took the game too terribly seriously. Watching the wheels come off the short bus, now I'm not so sure.

The question seems to be, are Crowley's message and system fully intelligible without crawling into Crowley's head? I have come to suspect that such philosophical spelunking is not only taxing, but potentially dangerous, perhaps unavoidably so.

>>18024754
The problem ain't being in the Goat's head, it's building a quaint little cottage up there where you live all year round while ignoring any new scrap of information, occult or academic, after December 1, 1947.

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>>18024754
>The question seems to be, are Crowley's message and system fully intelligible without crawling into Crowley's head?

>I myself, for example, had unknowingly been trained to record these observations by the life of a butterfly. All my impressions came clear on the soft wax of my brain; I had never worried because the scratch on the wax in no way resembled the sound it represented. In other words, I observed perfectly because I never knew that I was observing. So, if you pay sufficient attention to your heart, you will make it palpitate.
- Liber Li

Also Liber 81 The Butterfly Net.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-5lb1i-jls
Current 93 - Aleph Is The Butterfly Net

Crowley is pretty tame and safe stuff when you stay inside the circle and let the Children song's babble in your head and remain on the Path of Aleph (111)

The real trouble starts when you start to follow instructions mentioned in the Liber 831 (Liber Yod) and you suddenly try the 4th method and you start to read Kenneth's Grant Liber OKBISh and you understand that it's actually the Spider's Web or Cobweb that is the ultimate matrix of reality and you pierce through THAT web or IT.

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>>18024754
> Since imitating the moral example of a founder is not the ethical teaching of the Law of Thelema, every Thelemite is free to imitate Aleister Crowley's personal lifestyle or not as they choose, although Crowley himself advises against it, warning that those who try to do so will be possessed or obsessed by the "vision of the demon Crowley"

>>18024786
>I observed perfectly because I never knew that I was observing
The hallmark of a Magister Templi.

Now, where is this sensibility in the politically polarized climate in which the various factions find themselves in, be it national or inside the Order?

Bill H posits that the Aspiring Magister doesn't interpret all things as direct interactions of God with the soul, he simply *ceases to interpret at all*.

>The real trouble starts when you start to follow instructions mentioned in the Liber 831 (Liber Yod) and you suddenly try the 4th method and you start to read Kenneth's Grant Liber OKBISh and you understand that it's actually the Spider's Web or Cobweb that is the ultimate matrix of reality and you pierce through THAT web or IT.
See also: The vision of the Star-Sponge in Ethyl Oxide as well as the Spandakarikas.

>>18024823
>Bill H posits that the Aspiring Magister doesn't interpret all things as direct interactions of God with the soul, he simply *ceases to interpret at all*.

A state almost identical to Dementia in medical terms.

>>18024784

I'm trying to understand what led them to build the cottage. Where lies the flaw?

I accept and applaud that you've avoided this temptation, but you may be a special case. You also seem to have heart. The Dirge was at ground zero for the 93 resurgence. You've been developing at some remove from that.

>>18024810

Yep, yep.

>>18024823
>Bill H posits that the Aspiring Magister doesn't interpret all things as direct interactions of God with the soul, he simply *ceases to interpret at all*.

Interesting interpretation. I wonder whether he finally took the plunge?

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Hey guys what's up?

>>18021147
This is the dance of shamans. It's the dance I do when before I pass out from the frenzy. It's the language of spirit.

>>18021310
Not that anon but I love when occult and magick has conversations that are more folk magick friendly like the rosary is. If you keep that going you will get better people lurking about.

>>18021345
Runic magic is discussed a bit crossthread in the urban magic thread (>>18019783). This thread is usually about more mental/ritual forms of magic but I like to talk about runes and herb lore and energy work and spirits and that sort of stuff. I usually never find the space for it here though. Maybe that will change.

>>18022466
The last time the Secret Chiefs intervened was before the rise of the home radio. They could BARELY cope with that world.

Where can I read about this incident? You also seem to imply that these "secret chiefs" exist. Why?

>>18024369
What´s this all about? "Paperwork" and stuff.

>>18025295
He's talking about the writing of the Book of the Law and all associated incidents with that current. Confessions is probably your best bet for an overview without all the poetic gobble and shitty couplets.

The secret chiefs 'exist' because none of these faggots, great as their knowledge may have been, were in any way suited for for the task other than having knowledge. Though possessing some wonderful qualities outside of that, they have all been massive shitheads constantly undermined by their own actions. Which is good to know that even assholes can make it to the top so nothing is stopping me or any of the other walking egos that post here.

>>18025339
>He's talking about the writing of the Book of the Law and all associated incidents with that current. Confessions is probably your best bet for an overview without all the poetic gobble and shitty couplets.

So the Confessions of Aliester Crowley?

http://www.metaphysicspirit.com/books/Confessions%20of%20Aleister%20Crowley.pdf

Thank Anon; it looks like it has quite a bit to say about the matter.

>The secret chiefs 'exist' because none of these faggots, great as their knowledge may have been, were in any way suited for for the task other than having knowledge. Though possessing some wonderful qualities outside of that, they have all been massive shitheads constantly undermined by their own actions.

I just don't understand why some people care about "them" to the point where they involve it in their workings with the A.'.A.'. curriculum.

>>18025295
You can't really read about it. You sorta gotta puzzle out the timeline for yourself. The AC diaries from 1906-08 are probably better than Confessions/The Hag.

>>18025303
I'm trying to make the grade on paper match my grade irl from the A.'.A.'. and my two closest contacts to a lineal pylon have suffered recent calamity. Three if you include my Kaula contact.

>>18025248
Duly noted, plenty more where that came from.

>>18025253
Like I said I've nothing against runework it just always gets brought up here in the silliest contexts.

>>18025437
>I just don't understand why some people care about "them" to the point where they involve it in their workings with the A.'.A.'. curriculum.

"The AA is guided by V.V.V.V.V. He wrote the tasks for each grade with George Cecil Jones. This is clear in LIBER 61. V.V.V.V.V. is ever the head of the AA and there can be no other. He is still at work to guide his Order. He does not necessarily need a physical body to do this. Intelligences on the inner planes can make use of all sorts of persons. One of their easiest vehicles is a person of unbalanced or insane mind. Why do you think you were the victim of a stalker? Would it not be good policy to heed what ill fortune besets you?"
~Seckler writing to Breeze over a dispute about the A.'.A.'. """"""""""""""""""""trademark""""""""""""""""""""

Once you make an offering to a deity, what should you with the offering once the ritual is over? I come from a line of work in which objects is meant to be worn by the offerer, and food may be consumed and shared, but I'm researching to start on Goetia and I can't find such info. Is this a good place to ask?

>>18025479
Generally you do what you do, but in cthonian rites you let it rot or burn it.

>>18025479
The info you're looking for is in and around Grimorium Verum.

Generally speaking you're going to leave it out until it gets dry but before it starts to rot/mold, in which case it'd probably be best to bury it or scatter it near a fungal patch.

In most Lemegeton based work, and a lot of Indic material, you don't partake of the offering or carry it with.

This isn't always a hard and fast rule; the Cultus Sabbati has you recovering offerings of bits of metal to use for talismans and other such objects.

>>18025479
I like to leave my offerings at crossroads so I don't have to worry about rot or anything. The animals or the god do with it as they will. The true spirit workers will see the food physically eaten by the spirit but that's not necessary.

>>18025534
>>18025495
>>18025493
Thank you very much for the help, guys. I'm not making food offerings in this occasion, although I'm including wine. My offering is focused on treasures - gold chains, gems and pretty stones. Those would make nice talismans, I think. In the Goetia, can we openly ask how to proceed on that matter? Or would it be rude, considering it's all a gift?

>>18025585
The answer you're most likely to get is "melt the gold and make talismans". Honestly with some midrange acid you should be able to electroplate scrap metal for talisman construction.

>>18025451
>You can't really read about it. You sorta gotta puzzle out the timeline for yourself. The AC diaries from 1906-08 are probably better than Confessions/The Hag.

I'll give those diaries a read- good thing they're in the mega.

>>18025457
>~Seckler writing to Breeze over a dispute about the A.'.A.'. """"""""""""""""""""trademark""""""""""""""""""""
>dispute
>trademark

Gay as fuck. Only in 2016... I thought that this type of work was supposed to transform a person for the better,
"For Perfection abideth not in the Pinnacles, or in the Foundations, but in the ordered Harmony of one with all."

Good thing there are people such as yourselves out there doing the right thing.

>>18025595
This honestly sounds like a fascinating project, I'm now kinda hoping for it!

>>18025599
Nigga that letter was from like sixteen years ago now.

Is anyone having issues getting the MEGA link to the repository to work? It just says "Decrypting folder data" for a couple of hours now. Other MEGA links work fine for me, and it worked for me some time earlier this year. I guess I could be meant to not access it at this time for some higher reason but that seems unlikely.

>>18025775
I dunno what to tell you mate.

It could just be some glitch on your end, I seem to be having zero issues. If we can get some input from other folks we might be able to identify the issue.

>>18025141
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9GtoKGLA6o
It gives me a profound feeling of joy that little else manages to.

>>18018893
I smiled. Thanks.

>>18025775
if you're in incognito mode, get out of it. Try other browsers. Try the apps that mega has provided (mega.nz > menu > apps). beyond that, i'm not sure. might have to email mega support :(

>>18025599
What do you suggest, that Seckler simply do nathing and eat shit when someone attacks her (in this case Breeze) and her work?? Pretty balanced, yes...

Why does Crowley goes to associate LHP with "Black Brothers"?

This is from Liber 71 (Written by Blavatsky, commentary by Crowley)
>Blavatsky: 24. Thus do the “Brothers of the Shadow”—the murderers of their Souls, the dread Dad-Dugpa clan.
>Crowley: “The Brothers of the Shadow” or of the Left Hand Path are very carefully explained in Liber 418.

Then Crowley goes on to explain that below abyss black/white magic is indistinguishable.

And what's with the Blavatsky's dislike for the Drukpa/Dupga Red Hact sect that is highly associated with the Vajrayana tradition?

>>18022247
Mark d?

>>18021168
Uncle Chuckie

>>18025437
>I just don't understand why some people care about "them" to the point where they involve it in their workings with the A.'.A.'. curriculum.

What a bizarre statement.

>>18025451
>I'm trying to make the grade on paper match my grade irl from the A.'.A.'. and my two closest contacts to a lineal pylon have suffered recent calamity. Three if you include my Kaula contact.

Plus whatev's up with the Dirge.

>>18025599
>Gay as fuck. Only in 2016... I thought that this type of work was supposed to transform a person for the better,

That's what's worrisome in these latter days.

whats a lineal pylon?

the mega doesnt load for me, its just stuck on on decrypting forever

tested in 2 browsers

>>18027215
I don't wanna sound like a broken record but:
>did you clear your cache?
>have you restarted?
>have you installed Mega's native app?
>have you made an actual account with them or are you just passing through?
>have you updated your browser version.

>>18027207
>Dirge
I was sorta including him. His partner seemed a bit spooked, but it could just be general existentialism-posting.

>>18026865
Noncomprehension due to mixing Kabbalah and vague Hindi concepts. The Tree, post-Luria, has a 'left hand' route of attainment, called the "path of severity" or even "the path of sorcery". What seems to be the disconnect is that AC/HB appear to be speaking of those *with a favoritism* of the severe pathway, who ignore the other paths and Sefira of the Tree.

>Red hat
Those are the Nyingma school, mate. The probably lightly demonizes then as her contacts were likely of a more mainstream school looking to discredit anybody but them (see: the Gelug).

And yes, "white" and "black" magick are largely misnomers. One may harm for 'good' or heal for 'evil'. Most everything comes down to personal intent.

>>18026801
^This, largely, but the only thing Breeze knows is litigation and I'd have rather seen Seckler sue the ever loving dogpiss out of HB.

>>18027208
Contact points for linage based traditions.

>>18027284
>His partner seemed a bit spooked, but it could just be general existentialism-posting.

Yeah, I noticed. I'm a little spooked myself.

Y'know? When I approached the A∴A∴, it promptly shit on the piano and rolled around in it. In deep retrospect, that seems quite significant. I'm having difficulty not finding these latest developments significant, too.

>>18027311
>>18027311
>it promptly shit on the piano
can you elaborate?

>>18027312

When I approached one who I knew was AA, he/his line decided to hand me off to this fellow's student, while he apparently recruited my wife and took her as his student. I was majorly pissed, but didn't know who to blame for the fuck up.

It was stupid, but in retrospect makes sense.

>>18027353
are you in AA now?
is joining worth it?

>>18027367
>are you in AA now?

Not really. I did probation on my own, some years later, but never went any farther with it. I seem to have found my own path.

>is joining worth it?

It could be. If you can find a decent lineage -- they vary considerably -- and if you find someone in that lineage that knows their shit and is willing to take you on, then it might be worth it. But that's a lot of ifs.

It's great to have a mentor, someone who's gone through similar trials and tribulations. It's also good to have clearly outlined curriculum, course of action. and the means to gauge your progress. The question is whether any individual or lineage can provide those things without a lot of negatives.

There may be some really good AA people out there, but I don't know where they're hiding.

>>18027385
That's what I ran into looking into esoteric buddhism. Finding a diaspora is easy enough, finding one willing to teach round-eyes anything juicy is another thing, and finding one who doesn't fondle the balls of the orthodoxy AND isn't a total degenerate is like playing the lottery. I went my own way. Finding someone properly angry about enlightenment isn't worth the trouble if he's already right here.

>>18027385
I see
I want to get back into the practice but not sure where should I pick up

>>18025457
>Intelligences on the inner planes

Is he implying khabs?

>>18027404

There is evidence suggesting the dharma may be passing from this world. It may be a similar situation to ours.

>>18027409

Where do you think you are?

My advice at the moment would be to soldier on with the material. I'd substitute more modern and comprehensive exercise programs for Crowley's, but otherwise keep the larger framework intact. Work at balanced development as preparation for K&C, wch at this point is likely your next milestone.

>>18027413
>Is he implying khabs?

I'd say she meant it literally.

>>18027590
>I'd say she meant it literally.
So like, inner spaces in each and every one of us?

>>18027590
>>There is evidence suggesting the dharma may be passing from this world.
I'm interested in seeing it.

So far, it appears that, at least in my case, it isn't.