why do people think his stuff is real

>>17997893
He was lying to keep us safe.

>>17997913
from what?

>>17997955
from the horrors of space

>>17997963
then why would he even say anything at all

ignorant people

>>17997971
It's human nature, when we discover things we want to share it with others. Sometimes we don't realize how terrible those things may be.

>>17997893
Because, wether he knew it or not, it is real. Look up old babylonian gods.

>>17997986
THIS
THIS EXACTLY
UNDERRATED POST
+1

read Illuminatus Trilogy! it explains literally everything

>>17997893

Fiction =\= fake

Back to school.

>>17997989
wut

>>17998192
>browsing /x/ unironically
back to school

>>17997893
because those people are dumb.

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>>17998192
>Fiction =/= fake

>>17997893
probably because people want to believe.

>>17997988
No one who knows what they're talking about thinks Jesus wasn't real. He's one of the most documented men in history.

>>17997988
what a fucking ignorant

>>17998192
>fiction=\=fake

lol what the fuck

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>>17998192

>>17998320
top keks
made me lol

>>17998307
i don't give a flying fuck about fact or fiction

>>17997893
dagon is real, t'was worshipped by the philitines

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>>17998944
Lovecraft was inspired by the real life religion, but that doesn't mean the religion was true at all.

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>>17998009/this

>>17999058
Comic would be funnier with only the top left box

>>17997893
People took Lovecraft's attempts at verisimilitude way too seriously and then 60s/70s occultism retards in their drug-fueled hazes decided it was magic and along with Derleth's boundless ignorance and fanboyism we've ended up with idiots sincerely trying to write the Necronomicon.

That grinding sound you hear is Lovecraft's skeleton spinning so hard in his grave that he's burrowing through the Earth and 8000mph.

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>>17997988
The Crusades were not about Jesus, and it was not "countless millions".

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None of us believe in Great Cthulhu.

None of us worship him in goatskins in front of his glorious idol on dark midsummer nights.

>>17997971
to try and keep his sanity

>>17997893
if you read the illuminatus trilogy you will believe its real.

>>18000211
with the help of his robot friends.

robot roll call!

cambot

tomservo

gypsy

crooooooooow!

>>18000207

That shelf of DVDs really adds to the atmosphere.

Google "pop culture pagan" and follow the Tumblr links. You might want to have a drink or two ready.

Tired of this Cthulhu shit.

Give me some curious case of Charles Dexter Ward
Some Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath.
And some Imprisoned with the Pharaohs.

Lovecraft's ideas span much greater than some lowly deep one.

>>17999441
Yep, the early New Age / Occult movements capitalized on the mythos. A fake Necronomicon was published that was supposed to be real, and edgy Wiccans believed it.

>>18000420
Also tired, but you actually sound like a fucking wannabe

>>18000207
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

>>17998009
You need to read it like 4 more times

>>18000207
We're still on for the 18th right? For beers...?

>>18000290
I like you, Anon.

>>17997893

Why do people believe in UFO's even though the government exclaims that it's fake?

>>17997955
Deez nuts

>>17997893
>exclaimed

No nigga you don't understand

you can make your own gods and shit bruv

like for reall nigga

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>>17998192
>Fiction=/=Fake

>>17998255
>>17998307
>>18002888 (nice trips)
Presumably he means that fiction means partially made up, but not necessarily all made up. If I write a creepypasta about a haunted house, the haunting may be imaginary, but that doesn't mean houses are.

In context, that means Lovecraft wrote fiction, but some of the stuff he wrote about may not be entirely baseless. He was inspired by his own dreams, by folklore, by other peoples' writing (not entirely out of nowhere itself), and by archetypal fears.

Deep Ones, for example. Lovecraft didn't make up mermaids. The widely accepted explanation is that it's just manatees, and that's pretty weak. I don't think fish people are likely, but I'm not going to flat out deny the possibility.

>>18000616
>the government made all the UFO's
It all makes sense now

>>18000207
>mum where can i put my altar?
>just pop it between the radiator and the dvds love. i'll make you a bacon bap
>thanks mum

>>17997955
Checked

I don't worship Cthulhu, I worship Lovecraft himself

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>>18005060
Your husbando is a shit

>>17998192
Maybe English is not your first language?
But anyways, here you go buddy.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fiction

>written stories about people and events that are not real
>literature that tells stories which are imagined by the writer
>something that is not true

>why do people think his stuff is real

Same reason anyone on this board thinks anything supernatural is real; their lives are boring and empty and this shit makes it slightly more interesting.

>>17997893
People don't read much and don't understand how he build from others authors and with other authors for instance. So they think that he alone coalesced all these ideas out of thin air and were onto something.

For instance Clark Ashton Smith a pen pal of his that said he would wrote his poetry like he would a incantation because he wanted to share with people awesome and dreamy vistas and make them believe that all was real if not by a second at least.
The same people that thinks that what Lovecraft wrote about was real don't think the same of Clark because they don't read as a habit and don't even know of him despite their mutual collaboration and even the insertion of one another in their stories.

>>18005111
Lover of hills and fields and towns antique,
How hast thou wandered hence
On ways not found before,
Beyond the dawnward spires of Providence?
Hast thou gone forth to seek
Some older bourn than these—
Some Arkham of the prime and central wizardries?
Or, with familiar felidae,
Dost now some new and secret wood explore,
A little past the senses' farther wall—
Where spring and sunset charm the eternal path
From Earth to ether in dimensions nemoral?
Or has the Silver Key
Opened perchance for thee
Wonders and dreams and worlds ulterior?
Hast thou gone home to Ulthar or to Pnath?
Has the high king who reigns in dim Kadath
Called back his courtly, sage ambassador?
Or darkling Cthulhu sent
The sign which makes thee now a councilor
Within that foundered fortress of the deep
Where the Old Ones stir in sleep
Till mighty temblors shake their slumbering continent?

Lo! in this little interim of days
How far thy feet are sped
Upon the fabulous and mooted ways
Where walk the mythic dead!
For us the grief, for us the mystery. . . .
And yet thou art not gone
Nor given wholly unto dream and dust:
For, even upon
This lonely western hill of Averoigne
Thy flesh had never visited,
I meet some wise and sentient wraith of thee,
Some undeparting presence, gracious and august.
More luminous for thee the vernal grass,
More magically dark the Druid stone,
And in the mind thou art forever shown
As in a magic glass;
And from the spirit's page thy runes can never pass.

>>18005114
http://www.eldritchdark.com/writings/poetry/592/to-howard-phillips-lovecraft

>>17997893
When did people start believing it was real? I've never seen anyone claim that. You must have retarded friends OP.

>>17997893
alot of his "early adopters" were chaos magicians, to whom it doesn't actually matter if the creatures are real, since it's their will and intent that causes reality in their system.

Then dumbasses got ahold of it and it ballooned.

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You fools.

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>>18000290

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Lovecraft knew OF shit, but the guy was afraid of goddamn seafood and accidentally a gay social club. His understanding of what he encountered was useless at best.

Shubby is disappointed in us all, Has needs to chill the fuck out, Tulu's a cosmic neckbeard, and Yogs is the cosmic grandpa no one wants to visit during the holidays.

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>>18005111
because he used real text and reference among the fake ones and writed all like it was real he was a good writer and well informed from real books, archeology and pseudoacheology (Hiperborians, Mu etc) arquitecture, mythology, and all weird ciences and works of fiction

>>17997913
first post best post.

Well... he was living in a house that was supposedly famous for being haunted AND his childhood "hobby" was making altars and "play-sacrifices" to made-up Gods...
One of those "made-up" Gods might have ended up replying.

>>17997893
cuz ther dum.

I love Lovecraft but there are facts about him, he was a struggling writer, most of the things he created like Dagon were created independently from the real existing recorded god. He did this quite a bit, then would go and retroactively speak to historians and see if there was overlap, and if there was he was usually way off the mark. It happened this way because he just wanted to get paid and keep himself afloat. Plus he knew from the beginning he wanted these beings to really be extraterrestrial but had to cater towards fiction readers of the time who wanted occult.

>>17997893
DO YOU HEAR THE VOICES, TOO?!

>>17997893
I think some people get a weird sense of superiority from it, like "You people are all so stupid! Only I am smart enough to realize how inferior and insignificant humans are! I point and laugh at you for feeling like your life matters!"

>>18009358
I do like the sort of philosophy from Lovecraft's fiction. I believe it is called Cosmic Pessimism and it is the belief that humans are insignificant in the universe, that eventually something bigger and better will come along and just supplant us and there is nothing we can do to stop it. Based on what we've seen, it makes complete logical sense because that is just nature. Does that mean what he wrote is real? Not at all and I agree with you

>>18009376
I guess I can understand thinking it makes sense, though I don't agree. What I really don't understand is why you would *like* it.

>>18000207
god youre fucking cringe

>>18009403
Well it is philosophy so you don't have to agree with it. It does make sense to me because it seemingly follows a natural order.

I guess I like it because we have such a humancentric view of the universe, we tend to act like we are the best thing to happen to Earth. We are the product of evolution and completely autonomous, but that doesn't mean we are above all. A planet with similar traits with maybe billions more years of evolution could produce something far superior that could supplant us before we even get a shot in the universe. I guess I like it because any little failure I have, I can look in the mirror and say, "I'm insignificant, I'm just going to die, just like any other human. All life is equal, and all of it is just part of nature"

>>17998261
Give me one good source that isn't the bible or directly related to the bible.

>>18009443
Reza Aslan's Zealot: The Life and Times of Jesus of Nazareth

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>>17997893
the man wrote at a level that made the bible look like harry potter.
>he was a genius, his vocabulary and ability to structure literature was at a level nobody else was able to approach or imitate.
his diction was god-like and his imagination was of a depth undreamable to today's retarded brainwashed youth.
of COURSE whoever read his works believed them. nobody had ever been so convincing and able to articulate so clearly, the unspeakable and un-nameable.

>>18009455
I will admit though this came under scrutiny for using more controversial citations of Jesus not from the Bible

>>17997893
I didn't know they did, but then again, people aren't bright.

People also take information from Dante's Inferno as religious canon, even though it itself is entirely a work of fiction by a writer.

Yes, you could easily argue that about any Biblical work too, that's not lost on me.

>>18009463
Especially because so much of it is taken from Roman and Greek mythology

>>18009461
>Posting anything remotely related to August Derleth
I've never seen someone miss the point so fucking hard

>>18009461
Fedora: The Post.
Bet you practice occult rituals too.

>>18009461
What? He was a subpar author at best, he even admits it himself. His purple prose is notoriously bad.

>>18009461
Baby's first horror writer. Don't worry anon, your tastes will get more seasoned as you grow up as a reader and as a man.

>>18009455
I make no promises that this will change my mind but I will check it out

>>18009461
one person who i believe was on his level was Carlos Castaneda. ESPECIALLY if his works were fiction (which im not sure about) but his books are pure genius

>>17997893
Because people are too gullible.

>>18009510
This post gave me pleb chills.

>>18009508
It is hard to change someone's mind about things, the book was both praised and heavily criticized so do with that what you will

>>17998261
>He's one of the most documented men in history.

Bullshit. He's not "documented" AT ALL.

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/

>>17997893
>exclaimed

>>18012441
Yeah a .com blog type site is more reliable than people with PhD

There are also testimony from Tacitus, Pliny the younger, etc. of his existence. Peoplemwho had no affiliation with Christianity

>>18005898

>Lovecraft calling you a pleb from beyond the grave

>>17997893
Because Kenneth Grant believed that there was an invisible layer of earth that essentially took imprints of every event that had ever occured. H.P. Lovecraft suffered from extreme nightmares nearly every night of his life. Kenneth Grant and his followers believed that Lovecraft was able to tap into this layer in his sleep, and was able to see these things he assumed were nightmares but were actually past and even ancient events, and hence came his stories.

There, answered your question for you better than anyone else in this thread could have. For more just google Typhonian Order

>>18009426
>not recognizing the lament configuration
>labeling anything weird as "cringe"

Stay in /b/, pls.

>>17998320
Is that kenan thompson?

>>18004774
We all know what he meant; he meant that just because something is considered fiction doesn't mean elements and ideas portrayed in the book have no basis in reality. It's the way he went about claiming this that's funny.

>>17997893
Because they want to.
It's cool stuff.

>>18015807
But it does sorta say we are all going to die in a horrible fashion

>>18007212
your post strangely bothers me.

>>18000207

Are you offering up cereals and corned beef? You blasphemous abomination squamous Nigger Man fuck

>>18009461
Have you even read his shit? Its good but nothing biblical like you're describing. It gained notoriety fairly recently because the universe along with Howard's Hyborea was really fun and imaginative. Now it's got a cult following but lovecraft died in poverty because nobody would publish him other than pulp magazines.

He constantly tried to imitate Poe but often came short. Stop being a faggot.

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>>18015808
>anon doesn't want to die in a horrible fashion

it's like you're not even paying attention

>>18016092
I have mentioned I really like the philosophy of it all. I feel like it is just nature for us not to be the strongest and best and to just be supplanted violently

What does /x/ make of Alan Moore's Providence?

>>18016114
It is an example of Moore just being "eh"

His writing is so needlessly dense I believe he may actually be fucking retarded. Used to like him because of the mystique but now I can barely get through one of his stories because they're all so full of fucking superfluous adjectives and descriptions of how fucking spooky and mind blowing the shit he's describing is

>>18016257
His stories are very short and not that dense. Most fiction at the time was produced through submitting chapters to magazines, he wrote stories in differing lengths to get paid.

>>18016274
That makes sense, but I'm really just talking about the way he goes about his descriptions, I dunno, it seems really excessive. I wish that there was a bigger community for writers starting out

>>18016286
Yeah even writers today still put out short stories in Playboy and other magazines. I like his descriptions, he usually tries to describe things through what unreliable characters describe them as. It appeals to some and not others. His monsters were based as indescribable monstrosities and people described what they saw, but not what it was

>>18016237

How so? Is it the thing being 99% a walking tour with the obligatory rape scene? I...I'm holding out hope that there's a point to it...

>>17997893
same reason people believe in god?

I was just reading a graphic novel version of the Case of Charles Dexter Ward last night and thinking that his representation of occultism was pretty decent. Mostly research, long term procurement of resources, sometimes shit goes wrong, "don't raise up what you can't put down".

>>17997893
It doesn't matter if it's real or not, our minds can't comprehend it any way

>>18016384
I dunno, like I get it is inspired by the mythos, but Moore just never felt incredibly gifted to me. Like don't get me wrong, he has talent. But it is some of his more recent stuff I feel like he can coast off of old tropes

>>18016114
I picked up the first collection hardback the other week. I really enjoyed it, though I am not a really big moore fan. I mean, I know watchmen etc., and I can respect what they did for the genre in general, but I am just a lovecraft dude, so I enjoyed it from solely that perspective.

Optimistically waiting on the next developments.

>>18016404
that's a great fucking story, bro. i think joseph curwen might be the most evil character in all of fiction. brilliant shit. i absolutely love The Case of Charles Dexter Ward

>>18016741
I can understand that, as a comic collector I just feel like his fans are as pretentious as he is. Like yeah he did some of the best comics of the modern age. But I dunno I just don't care for his writing style even if he does a good job with his source material

>>18016758
I know, Lovecraft was so fucking racist it is almost hilarious

>>18012452
This guy gets it

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he knew some fundamental truths

Reality as we know doesn't exist
the reality that does exist is horrifying
angels and demons are the same creatures

and any divine being is completely indifferent to us, we are less than insects

>>18016917
If you really paid attention, they are more like extraterrestrials who were treated like gods

>>18009461
I like Lovecraft just a much as the next guy but he's definitely not top tier shit, his writings were repetitive and he struggled as a writer, you can appreciate him but worshiping him as a genius is going into fedora tier shit.

His stories are sort of in that venn-diagram-overlap area of all my interests. I like the stories that are based more on family history, history of place, occult and hidden knowledge stuff. Dreams in the witch house and the case of charles dexter ward are my favorites. I actually dont care much for the cthulu stuff. I also really enjoy his vocabulary.

>goes to /x/
>ask why people believe paranormal shit is real

>>18005728
image search brings nothing. what is the source of this fantastic photo?

>>17997955
those digits

>>18009498
Would love to know where I can find lists of some better. i'm an excited baby.

>>18005085
fuck off, what kind of name is Edgar anyway.

>>18017461
Who better to ask?

Lovecraft was a lot of things. A decent writer with a very shitty life. Basically afraid of sex and women in general.

But the thing he was most of all was more than the sum of the cthulhu mythos. Dude's writing beyond that was pretty fucking good, and well worth your time if you haven't read it yet. Cthulhu continues to be a pop-culture icon because it's his most approachable work, but is by far not his best.

As to why people believe it, there comes a point where if you say something enough times, not even the truth can quiet it. Cthulhu is kinda like that. It doesn't matter that Lovecraft admitted it was fake, because people wanted it to be real so badly.

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Generally speaking it's because of a small handful of factors.

1) He mixed in his fictional plot-device books in with real actual historical accounts of witchcraft, such as Saducismus Triumphatus.

2) A number of forgeries, perpetuated by "Simon" (Likely Parfrey, Lavenda, and Wasserman) making the Simonomicon a part of public discourse.

3) Tyson's funpost in which he revised Simonomicon and attributed it to John Dee (which any Dee scholar will tell you there's nothing remotely close to Al-Azif in his collection).

4) Chaos Magick and the works of Grant which while taking the ideas as metaphor, feel the metaphor's rooted in the actual Arabic concept of elder gods who ruled before man.

>>18016758

I thought it was azns

>>17997893
All I know, is that I hate it when people apply the term "fake" to something fictional. It is not "fake". It is fiction

>>18005728
>t. somebody whoe never read a Lovecraft book

>>18017849
I get what you mean, but when you start stating things like that, you can throw any semblance of reality out the window. Like, fiction is made up stories, and of course these stories allow possibilities of truth if we find it to be true, so it is not fake from the get-go, but from what we know of the universe and our planet right now a lot of these questionable things just don't seem viable. MWI thought experiments in tune with chaos theory paired with varying universal law allows literally anything to exist, but it is all hypotheticals in other quantum planes.

But if we're being strict as to our physical reality, then it's hard to touch such myths and legends because they operate outside of physicality which is yet, if ever, going to be proven true.
>hurr durr lovecraft is unknowable
once again, fiction is hard to tackle.

>>18017873
No I meant it is just the wrong term. I didnt meant that anything of it is real or could be real. It is just not fake. What does it fake? A fake of what? It doesnt try to fool anyone into thinking it is real. It is just fiction. It would be like screaming in the theatre "guys, thats just fake"

>MWI thought experiments in tune with chaos theory paired with varying universal law allows literally anything to exist, but it is all hypotheticals in other quantum planes.
btw., you are throwing around big words in a manner that show you dont know what you are talking about

>>18017894
>No I meant it is just the wrong term. I didnt meant that anything of it is real or could be real. It is just not fake. What does it fake? A fake of what? It doesnt try to fool anyone into thinking it is real. It is just fiction. It would be like screaming in the theatre "guys, thats just fake"
yeah I realized after I typed that that you were just differentiating between the two, but I typed all that out so I thought why not.

>btw., you are throwing around big words in a manner that show you dont know what you are talking about
Not really though I can definitely see what you mean. I find it really interesting, like if MWI is true (disregarding the possibility to travel there) allows pretty much anything to come to fruition. and this isn't just pseudo-parallel universe shit you see in fiction, chaos theory is crazy. Just some slight energy difference allows for massive variance in physical matter down the line.

>>18017900
>I find it really interesting
Definitely. Me too

>allows pretty much anything to come to fruition
It really doesnt. Only things that were or will be possible to exist. Everything still needs a cause and there wont be some cosmic entity out of nowhere.

While chaos theory acknowledges our inability to predict the outcome of a system with sensitive initial conditions, it doesnt say, that every outcome is possible.

Sorry for being snarky

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> Lovecraft was a master author/horror writer
> Sickly child and couldn't attend school
> Attempted to join the National Guard but couldn't pass physical exams
> Lived with his mom until he was 30
> Had his work constantly rejected but always continued to write
> Married but his wife became ill
> Moved back to a spacious home he could barely afford but continued writing anyways and made stories like At The Mountains of Madness
> Forced to move into a small house with his aunt
> Died in poverty at the age of 46 from malnutrition from cancer going largely unappreciated

If only he could know how influential and entrenched in horror media his ideas are today

>>18017933
>Only things that were or will be possible to exist
that is sort of why I tagged on the
>varying universal law
on the end there, of course there is very little in the way of knowing of universal laws can be changed/broken in any quantum state, but there are tricks, look at black holes and 'wormholes' for instance, they're pretty damn anomalous, but we still don't have that much experience with how they work or if wormholes even exist at all, there's just the possibility from what we know.

I'm big into retrocausality and microscopic quantum mechanics in general. of course I am just a NEET with no real intelligence in how these particles work in detail, but I like to float just above the layman level. this is way off topic though soI'll shut up now.

Who is "people"? I am a publushed writer of "weird/mythos" fiction and noone I've come across at conventions actually believe there is any truth in his creations.

>>18018080
There are people who think this fiction is real and it is ridiculous

>>18017938

Didn't his wife eventually leave him because he wouldn't leave the state with her? She re-married and moved to California, I think. That's all according to a documentary on youtube or something.

>>17998192
Must be bait. Right? RIGHT?!

>>18009438
You also have to do that with any success you have as well. Otherwise there is no consistency with it.

>>18009461
Whenever you decide to kill yourself, stream it ok? Looks like you've been pretty BTFO so far.

>>17997893
>Great Old Ones speak to mankind through dreams
>Dead City in another dimension located in a certain area of the Atlantic Ocean
>Lovecraft admits a ton of his stuff is based on his own personal night terrors
>The Bloop happens, a mysterious sound from the ocean that's heard across the globe that seems to be that of an unimaginably large organism
>Also happens to come from the same region of the same ocean where Lovecraft said Cthulu sleeps

So yeah.

>>18018479
It's a cool story, but they found the bloop to be the cracking of an ice shelf.

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>>18017857
>>18009468

I wish more people could see the light of Lovecraft purism. Unfortunately, we have shit like >>18005728 instead.

>>18018080
GET OFF THE INTERNET PUGMIRE.

Why does he look so dead inside in every image?

The same reason why people belive in Vampires and Werewolf.

>>18018666
Still cool that it happened next to the fictional sunken city

>>17997893
Because his stuff is in the free domain and people have attempted to publish versions of the Necronomicon and pretend they're real things. Everything got messed up with pop culture so retards now think the Necronomicon is a real thing.

A remember a show called 'celebrity ghost stories' where Marilyn Manson said he and a friend had a copy of the Necronomicon and something satan-related happened, and I instantly knew it was complete bullshit because of it.

>>18019608
i blame peter lavenda

>>18019608
>Marilyn Manson
he has ties to the church of satan (yes, THAT church of satan), and he has exclaimed his disbelief in the actual LHP etc., so I'm pretty sure he was lying in joking way, he's pretty level headed.

>>18016917
I'm curious to know what you base this on.

>>18017461
It's not about paranormal things in general, it's about Lovecraft in particular. Just because a person might believe consciousness survives physical death doesn't mean they think Cthulhu is real and we're all at the mercy of incomprehensible monster gods.

>>17997893
The ideas of those monsters came from the collective unconscious. Those entities are very real within our minds and can have a profound effect on us and the world. Essentially like an egregores or thought form.

>>18000517
dead but dreaming...

>>18017674
>1) He mixed in his fictional plot-device books in with real actual historical accounts

Guaranteed to get anything to be considered fact. Look at the Davinci code. Everyone around here seems to believe it all really happened.

>>18017849

No it really is fake. A number of Lovecraft's stories have been thoroughly debunked.

>>18020694
No shit, really? Are you trying to tell me that Innsmouth doesn't exist? You've gotta be lying

>>18017938
At least he won a bunch of gold medals swimming in the Olympics.

>>18009140
I CAN FEEL THE WARP OVERTAKING ME!