/sum/-Summoning General

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>>17871394

FIRST IN LINE TO STOP THE SEXY HORSE SHIT

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>>17871394

I will work with this
I used my phone as a ruler(before I got bored and just went manual)

>>17871400
Fuck, wasn't fast enough

REMINDER: YOU ARE RISKING EVERYTHING BY DOING THESE ACTS
PLEASE READ PLEASE READ
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/07/01/as-a-psychiatrist-i-diagnose-mental-illness-and-sometimes-demonic-possession/

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>>17871402
Don't you mean

Horse shit?

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>>17871406

looks decent senpai, what is it for?

>>17871417
Nah. We're all good here, just be respectful and honest to the Goetia and you're fine. No need to fear monger, little kitty.

>>17871418
why is carlos jacked where did he get those gainz

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>>17871417

you're still here?

>>17871430
>A widely respected professor of psychiatry
>In the 2nd most respected newspaper
>Risking his reputation to tell the world demons are real
>fear mongering

yeah enjoy your madness

>>17871429
> 16. Hold up the hexagram so that it can be seen from the triangle. Say something like:
> "I bind you now to our contract by the Hexagram of Solomon and the authority of the Most High."

>>17871442
Some people can handle this and some can't, like you for example. Weaklings know not to get involved unless they're just being foolish.

>>17871441
yes, your souls and well-being are worth a forum post

Just going to add my last post from the last thread so that we can discuss/senpai can get his answers.

>>17871303
I'm obviously not A.M.S., but in the meantime:
1. Yes, your friend might not receive the same messages if you're the only one performing the ritual (Especially if it's just a voice in your head), but he/she may; it just depends on their sensitivity, energy level, participation, etc. There are specific forms of group evocation you can look into if you like, but I don't know much about them. Others can make suggestions, I'm just not sure how much success two people will have with this form of evocation. That said you may risk the other person's safety if they are present and not in the circle if the demon becomes hostile, so defeintely keep them in it.
2. I'd like to hear someone else's insight on this as well.
3. If your question is specifically whether or not it was Orobas, you'd need to evoke him and ask yourself. A.M.S. won't be able to find out for you. If you need him to do an evocation for you for some specific problem you need solved he can, but otherwise I don't think there's much he can do for the questions you've asked other than 2.

Best of luck if you evoke him, let us know what happens!

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>>17871443

o. that hexagram. who/what are you summoning?

>>17871455
Nootles, what is up with you and birds?

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>>17871443
Hey knows.his.shit. Rate my chart

>>17871448
you have free will. i can't stop you.
just in case some kiddies think it's a silly game... well, read the article before you do something you can't undo.

>>17871451
Well please leave. Your enlightenment (Or lack thereof) isn't worth any of our time. Go back to reading your Christian lit and distorted bible.

>>17871455
Tweet, tweet, my dudes.

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>>17871465

>>17871463
I believe I'll be alright. More than alright actual, so no thanks.

>>17871455
Lol, it looks like that bird is sneezing. On a side note, this is a horse cult, why all of the birds?

>>17871464
no problem. i'm done. i wish you all the best.

>>17871476
Birds are cute that is why

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>>17871460

birbs are kyoot

>>17871463
I don't think this is a game to anyone here.

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>>17871476
finches are the puppies of birbs
and did you not see?
>cute birb edition

>>17871482
wooz

So who in the Goetia *isn't* a man? I know Astarte is a woman but who else? I don't buy that they're all actually men (or necessarily even have a gender), that just sounds like some bunk shit written by old men back in the day.

>>17871492
Lilith, but I don't advise you mess with her.

>>17871492
>So who in the Goetia *isn't* a man?
Gremory. Even if the Demon is actually female, they get described as males a lot of the time. Idk why.

>>17871498

The answer is because patriarchy makes maleness generic and femaleness specific, in all honesty. But I'm not trying to proselytize right now, I'm just being real.

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>>17871492
I don't think demons have sexes

I think they just manifest as what you imagine them to be

>>17871455
Paimon

>>17871461
It is funny because charts of Geminis I looked here are somewhat similar so far in the placement of houses. It is either Libra or Scorpio ascendants.
You also have Pluto in the 2nd house which opposes your Venus in Gemini. Seens like some gold digging action
Your Saturn is in the most comfy sign ever, Pisces

Capricorn moon. Gemini sun. You are probably opposite of what you seem like on the surface
Way too many oppositions and squares can be though especially when you don't have your sun and moon in a comfy aspect. But you have your ascendant in Libra which is always nice although you don't have any aspects with your ascendant

Pay attenion to Gemini mercury conjunct. Inner planets are always the most important

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my gosh guys, look at this birb, it's called a potoo.

and does anyone have any stories about what they've experienced summoning or just cool shit thats happened? i'd love to hear it.

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So is discussion of Meme Magick allowed? I need advice on how to get the majority of /pol users to actually understand what it is

>>17871492
Vepar.

I evoked her once and for some reason when I saw her my mind zoomed in on her breasts and she was laughing about it.

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>>17871504
>dem legs

>>17871513
Meme magic is basically manifestation.

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>>17871521
Yes but how could I tell my fellow /pol/acks this, they don't understand

>>17871526
tell them Trump said so

>>17871526
Use Christianity as an example. The Bible focuses on light magic (Very subtlety mind you) which is also based on manifestation.

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>>17871532
/pol meme magick is rapidly becoming a cult, they absolutely HATE Christendom

>>17871508
>Seens like some gold digging action
>You are probably opposite of what you seem like
Lol these are definitely true.

Thanks for the reading.

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r8 my ring

>>17871536
Then use the main religion there as an example of manifestation.

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>>17871539

>.gif
>no moving parts
you're going to hell/10

>>17871513
It's a bit offtopic, but my theory is that /pol has inadvertently created an egregore of some sort. A strange mix of chaos, egyptian pepe's, and extreme hatred of hillary clinton.

>>17871536
Now see, this is what worries me. Hell I'd trust Goetics over whatever the modern incarnation of Kek is supposed to be. A god of "Darkness, Chaos, and Darkness"; according to one friend I spoke with.

That said It's bringing karmic justice to Clinton; and even though it's a chaotic mess it seems to be doing something actually good for the world. I see no reason to attempt to intervene at this time.

where is AMS to give us the skinny on his evocations

this astrology nonsense is boring

"oh my gosh my venus is in the third house of feces wat do"

>>17871556
He's getting coffee and dealing with a hangover, he'll be in soon

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>>17871556

astral charts have some connection to summoning senpai~

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>>17871554
I've spoken to Kek before, "he" has an odd sense of humor.

>>17871550

I didn't make the site :(

>>17871539
Holy shit dude. Your Saturn is assraping like half your chart.

>>17871565
what's his cell #?
or did you draw his circle & squiggles and play pretend

>>17871567

But what does it MEAN??? Pls help I'm bad at astrol

>>17871569
It means you'll die soon

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>>17871573
Kek

>>17871577
KEK
E
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Moetia when???

>>17871603
>baal
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/01/world/middleeast/isis-militants-severely-damage-temple-of-baal-in-palmyra.html?_r=0

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Alright, here's the blow-by-blow from my last evocation.

Preliminaties:
> bathe in scented water, don clean black clothes and robes, have a drink and get psyched up.
> wife is tucked in the corner with the Ring of Solomon to protect her.
> Do the LBRP as always, wondering if I could do it in my sleep at this point.
> Do the GRP, pull it off perfectly this time. The feeling is incredible, like I've inhaled pure light into my lungs and now it shines from every pore.
> partyhard.jpg

Uval:
> Comes after the first conjuration, promptly and with little effort.
> His presence is like a steady pressure, the wind on my face.
> Wife later reports feeling aroused when he was present.
> "Welcome, most honorable Duke, to this the meeting place of spirits."
> "I am excited to meet you at last. There is much talk of you."
> "I have certain favors to beg of you. In the matter of X, cause her to love someone worthy, and may love grow between them. In the matter of Y, reconcile them to their former lover. Interdict Sitri on my behalf, stop his posturing, on my authority. This is a delicate task I entrust to you, and know I will share a fine vintage with you if you demonstrate your abilities in these matters."
> "It would be my honor, young sorcerer. I am pleased that you trust me with such things."
> Give license to depart.

Bune:
> Appears at the first conjuration.
> As before, his presence is a terrible fear or anxiety, both wife and I feel it.
> "Welcome, most honorable Duke, to the meeting place of spirits."
> "I was beginning to wonder when you would invite me back. I enjoyed your libation tremendously and am eager for more. What services do you require in exchange?"
> His voice is like that of a child or castrati.
> "In the matter of X, I need a lump sum of money delivered. In the matter of Y, they need a job. There is little time, two weeks at the most."
> "You are asking much, but I am not unwilling. Know that I will try. Who else is in the room with you?"

>>17871634
moar

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>>17871634
ah, welcome back A.M.S.

>>17871634

Neat. Tell us more pls

>>17871634
Bune Continued:
> "This is my wife, Duke, is she not beautiful?"
> "She is indeed."
> Give license to depart.

Andromalius:
> comes at the first conjuration.
> I experience his presence as pure anger, raw and nasty.
> Wife experiences an even greater level of terror, both of me and the spirit, now averting her eyes and holding the Ring of Solomon in front of her face.
> "Welcome, honorable Earl, to this the meeting place of spirits."
> "For what purpose do you call me?"
> "I was robbed, and I demand justice for this crime. Find the thief and return what was stolen from me."
> "I will flay the flesh from her bones."
> "I would prefer her dragged before the court in chains to face justice. You have three months. If you succeed your libation will be a symbol of my of my rage, potently spiced."
> "A fine choice. May I be rough with her?"
> "As rough as you care to be, honorable Earl, so long as she faces justice in court."
> "I like the way you think, sorcerer."
> Give license to depart.

Aftermath:
> turn to face my wife - "Pretty cool, huh?"
> she's begging me to hurry up and banish.
> ok. LBRP once more.
> Turn on lights and get ourselves one more stiff drink.

To be clear, when I say "license to depart" I'm also including binding them to the contract with the Hexagram and all that.

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>>17871660
Birb meet kat

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>>17871678

gud kat

>>17871676
so your wife was able to experience all of this along with you by being there? i thought it was a solo experience desu

>>17871676
thank you for taking the time to share this with us.
is your wife now a believer?
are you convinced?

>>17871634
noticed the menorah. are you a member of the tribe? does it impact your abilities?

>>17871695
>>17871696
She's not convinced, but enjoyed it tremendously and is eager to be there for more.

>>17871703
>does it impact your abilities?
This. Can you shapeshift?

>>17871676
>a symbol of your rage, potently spiced
What is the offering? I'm thinking an angry curry - perhaps a jalfrezi

>>17871703
No, my wife is. It is good to have someone who can pronounce Hebrew words.

>>17871712
Habanero flavored tequila with spicy bitters.

I am going to one-up all of you guys by summoning KEK, /pol's favorite Meme God

>>17871703
Can you sniff out gold?

>>17871729
not as well as you sniff your sister's panties, inbred goyim

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>>17871676

so are there any current groups dedicated to summoning or /occult/ in general? are you a member of any?

>>17871676
Can you ask the demons about this shit when you get a chance
>>17871188

Burning peppermint is freaking hard. But it smelled kinda nice

I will also draw Marbas' sigil and try to work with him if Paimon doesn't show up
I should be done in 6 hours but I have some work to do before I can draw another sigil


>>17871676
>>17871406

Can you rate my hexagram?

>>17871676
Why did you say other people's names? Someone said in an earlier thread that's an absolute no-no.

Does it matter much when you summon a demon? For example, Orobas rules Jupiter, but can I summon him on days other than Thursday?

>>17871770
Finally, I can stop being the only Marbas summoner here.

Good luck anon, if you have something big to ask for try offering a little gizmo or mechanical thing.

>>17871883

What should I do with the mechanical thing after?
I might offer a watch if I can find one
Does a battery count? No? I guess not

>>17871883
>>17871904

I mean I could offer him my earphones

>>17871904
>>17871907
I offered him an old game cartridge, couldn't burn it so told him I would hide it away someplace safe. It has since then completely dissapeared.

>>17871539
where did u make this, and how do you interpret these?

>>17871904
no, no, no
that won't do. you pay in sensations. remember that.

>>17871775
it is. A. M. S. is being careless. this will come back to sting him and his "clients" in the ass.
even all this evocation for dummies thing is kind of dangerous.

shame, 'cause he seems to know how to do stuff. but the wife being present and the clients stuff are dangerous.

>>17872032
But you make offerings

>>17872045
the thing you offer must have meaning to you though

Yep. Everyone gives lip service like "oh we're being so careful! We take this so seriously!"

Bullshit. There's a reason the organized societies have hierarchies, levels, progressions, tests, and so on. It's so noobs don't go making massive irrevocable mistakes.

You have to crawl before you can walk and you guys are jumping into the triathlon.

Someone from A.A. or OTO should have shut this down. I don't see Thoth in these threads, either... I wonder why?

In a few months there will be a shitload of people from /sum/ with massive problems.

>>17872082
You say that like any of this fucking shit is real

>>17871518
kek, nice

>>17872082
It's good to be adventurous in the occult imo.

I've already received a few death threats since I got into goetia and I'm still doing alright.
Nothing bad at all has happened to me so far.

>>17872086
Yeah I guess we'll see.

>>17872082
>In a few months there will be a shitload of people from /sum/ with massive problems.
YOLO. Don't be such a massive pussy

>>17872106
QED

>>17872082
tell me about it. one of these morons is about to summon Paimon without any previous experience. MOTHERFUCKING PAIMON.

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>>17871441
That poor bird. I hope that guy got arrested.
>>17871442
Blatant appeal to authority.

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you buncha goddamned n00bs, you think it's that easy to do summoning? can't you see you can't and never will summon high demons without paying money to a huge institution to get their secrets watered down (But not the best secrets, the best secrets are only for the top level magi)
hory sheeit boy
u must be hella mad to try doing this without at least sucking 10 000 satanic dicks.
You wanna summon fucken demons?
You about to summon a world of pain you little dipshits. This is not the kind of thing you can do with just the power of your mind!
You need at least some blood of innocents, robes and sheeit and have to be a total outcast and misfit for at LEAST 10 lifetimes.
Or you have to be a deranged and deluded psychophath, in which case they'll bump you up to the top ranks... after you pay them and swear an oath (oaths. many fucking oaths) of fealty and submission to them.
Of course, if you are REALLY serious you will eventually have to suck some dicks. Prolly get fucked in the ass too.

>>17872144
lmfao

>>17871634
>>17871676
Thanks for the detailed description and whatnot. What's Sitri's deal anyways? What did he do this time?

And what happened to that fellow that deeply resented his sisters for interfering with his life? Are you able to share any details about that with us?

>>17871676
>>17871634
dayum, gotta admit A.M.S, you inspire me to summon

>>17871961
that means that you can offer material things too, I mean besides food or consumables?

>>17872235
As far as I know, didn't ancient (like roman) religions not have an offering box at the altar?

>>17872243
where did you found that Marbas liked mechanical things?

>>17872113
>>17872144
if you are not interested I strongly suggest you leave.
Is anyone versed in tyling?

>>17872260
I am interested in people learning Goetia the proper way. And summoning a tier 1 demon right away is not the proper way.

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>>17871394
How can I summon a dragon?

>>17872265
>being a pussy
You don't belong here.

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>>17871634
> "I am excited to meet you at last. There is much talk of you."
Well that can't be good.

i'd like to learn the proper way to summon, the text in OP is the right way? also sorry for the dumb question, but i can use my native language or only in english? i beg you to help me to learn more

>>17872277
those dubs speak truth, still, maybe A.M.S is actually going to be someone important and we are nourishing with his knowledge

>>17872278
Given that there's no restriction for the language to be in Latin, Greek, or (more realistically) Hebrew, I'd say you can use your native language.

>>17872265
Would you mind telling us what the proper way is? From what I've seen it appears to be the same as modern religion: different groups claim to have the one truth and the others are wrong.

This is coming from some one outside of the world of Goetia and summoning entirely.

If some one is doing something incorrectly, let us know what the correct way to go about it is. Instead of just saying "this is wrong". No one learns why they failed a test if they are not provided any feedback.

>>17872269
>summoning something you can't deal with is somehow not being a pussy

>>17872278
are you begging on your knees?
otherwise no-one (here) will consider you.

>>17872248
It says in the Goetia that he "teaches mechanical arts" so I figured he'd like a little something like that, I cant remember where but I also remember someone else who had summoned him before saying that he liked that kind of thing.

>>17872292
good to know, i was afraid to do some mistake of pronunciation if i would have done it in english, thanks

>>17872301
of course, it wouldn't be a real begging otherwise

>>17872294
Ok.
I'm not against not using all the exotic props and shit (lionskin belt and stuff). That's fine by me. As long as you really know what you're doing, you can etch your own ritual; that's actually reccomended once you understand the Goetia.
What I don't like here is:
1) A. M. S.'s client bs. No names inside the circle. Also his wife: no one but the evocator must attend the ritual.
2) People wanting to summon the most powerful motherfuckers and actually have the ubris to do so without experience nor the understanding of the Ars Goetia. You can't go and summon Asmoday if you're a novice, for example; I don't blame A. M. S. though, he reccomends Orobas and that's a neat choice for a first summon. The problem is a ritual as simple and "cost-effective" as the one he proposes attracts a lot of inexperienced dumbasses who think it's cool "to summon Satan xDDD".
3) the trivialization of demons. they're not fucking idols, you're not meant to adore them. not in the way you're doing it, at the very least.

That's pretty much it. This general has the potential to be a nice hub, but people need to read the fucking sticky and do some research. That's it.

>>17872334
>they're not fucking idols
Some of them were pagan gods (Baal, Astaroth, Orobas, Amon, etc.) who were worshiped. So, I think adoration is a gift they appreciate.

>>17872345
>not in the way you're doing it, at the very least.

>>17872334
aleister crowley performed goetia with partners.
I believe buttsex was involved.

>>17872356
Aleister Crowley was also a master of the occult. He knew how to make rituals involving multiple people.

>>17872278
It's not a dumb question. The books listed in the pastebin are legitimate.

You're free to use whatever language you like, however most of the "barbaric words of invocation" and god names are in Hebrew, Greek ,or Latin.

The original practitioners of the lesser key likely did the entire ritual in latin.

>>17872082
Regimented hierarchies of magical practitioners, allowing advancement based on merit, really don't exist in this modern age, in the sense you're talking about. There is no college degree for summoning.

>>17872334
John Dee and Edward Kelly did all of their evocations in pairs. Having other people present isn't necessarily a bad thing, however it's not recommended most of the time. AMS's wife was fine.

>>17872360
Crowley was also quite often high on drugs. I don't doubt his occult prowess, and even innovation regarding golden dawn works, but at the same time don't think he entirely is worth the reverence some people give him.

>>17872334

I'm sympathetic to your claims here, because some people do seem to have a bad time with the goetia but just to clarify
>1) A. M. S.'s client bs. No names inside the circle. Also his wife: no one but the evocator must attend the ritual.
I don't think these are in the text, on what grounds do you believe that this is dangerous? I'll give you oral tradition for the names thing, but wasn't there a tradition of masters teaching students, where both parties would have to attend the ritual?
>>17872334
>You can't go and summon Asmoday if you're a novice, for example
On what grounds do you make this claim? It worked okay for alan moore

>>17872377
>Crowley was also quite often high on drugs. I don't doubt his occult prowess, and even innovation regarding golden dawn works, but at the same time don't think he entirely is worth the reverence some people give him.
pretty venerable tradition of using drugs in evocation, I don't think that's necessarily a point against his judgement in this instance

>>17872379
>You can't go and summon Asmoday if you're a novice, for example
>On what grounds do you make this claim? It worked okay for alan moore

I'm going to quote him on this actually, relevant and interesting

"

I also had an experience with a demonic creature that told me that its name was Asmoday. Which is Asmodeus. And when I actually was allowed to see what the creature looked like, or what it was prepared to show me, it was this latticework…if you imagine a spider, and then imagine multiple images of that spider, that are kind of linked together–multiple images at different scales, that are all linked together–it’s as if this thing is moving through a different sort of time. You know Marcel Duchamp’s “Nude Descending a Staircase”? Where you can see all the different stages of the movement at once. So if you imagine that you’ve got this spider, that it was moving around, but it was coming from background to foreground, what you’d get is sort of several spiders, if you like, showing the different stages of its movement.

Now if you imagine all of those arranged into a kind of shimmering lattice that was turning itself inside out as I spoke to it, and I was talking to my partner at the time and sort of saying, This thing’s showing us it’s got an extra dimension I haven’t got, and it’s trying to tell me that it’s good at mathematics. [laughter] It’s vain. There’s something fourth-dimensional about this. This is all stuff I was actually saying at the time, while I was having the experience, which was pretty extreme.
Anyway. Over the next couple of weeks I started researching Asmodeus and found out that actually, yeah, he’s the demon of mathematics. [chuckles] "

2 of the above posts are great (17872294 & 17872354)

Avoid contracts until you are comfortable with the spirit being evoked. By all means a proper offering and attitude will go a long way. They are not all into (BLOOD) try wine for instance. Please have your question or goals ready before the ritual/operation. They get annoyed if you summon them and then don't know what to say.

Also, word does go around the aether. If you try to run a Goetic Sigil though the dirt, or threaten to burn it with incense without valid cause you may get fucked.

>>17872393
"Also there is a thing which apparently, traditionally he is able to offer one, and this is called the Asmodeus flight. This is where the demon will pick you up, carry you into the air, into the sky, and you can look down and you can see all of the houses as if their roofs had been removed, so you can see what’s going on inside them. Now that is not a description of being carried through the air. That’s not being moved into a higher physical space. That’s what things would look like if you’d been moved into a higher mathematical space. If you were actually in the fourth dimension, or if your perceptions were in the fourth dimension, looking down at the third dimension, you wouldn’t see places as if the roofs of the houses had been removed, you’d see around the roofs of the houses. [chuckles] In the same way that if you imagine a race of completely two-dimensional creatures living on a sheet of paper, if you draw a square and then put one of those two-dimensional creatures inside it, they are COMPLETELY enclosed, because every direction in their two dimensions is shut off to them. If you then as a three dimension creature were to reach down and pick up this two-dimensional speck because you can see through the roof, which is a dimension that he hasn’t got. So, if you’re a fourth dimensional creature looking at the third dimension, you would be able to see around the walls of a sealed room. This was interesting, because it kind of confirms the fourth dimensional aspect of Asmodeus.
I did a picture, as best I could, of what I’d seen. I did that about a month after I’d had this experience..."

>>17872360
I once did an evocation without using a protective circle and nothing bad came of it except for a threatening expression from the spirit suggesting that he was unflatteringly impressed.

Yes Aleister Crowley was an expert in the occult and he took some of the golden dawn studies way further than any of the other members. Still it's not always necessary to follow everything by the book. But if you do want to be literal about it then some authors have even said things like the belt and I believe the wand are fool traps that would take years to make.
If all anyone ever does is follow everything by the book then we'll never learn any new methods of doing things.

I'm certainly not saying anyone should jump into this without knowing what they're doing, and I certainly would never advocate omitting the circle of protection.
But I do advocate experimentation in the occult.


You're concerned about the circle he uses but others have personalized their circles (Michael Ford's Luciferian circle for example) and have claimed that it worked out for them.
A.M.S is having his wife help with his operations and it seems to be going well for him.

I don't really see the problem.
So far no one's reported anything bad as far as I've seen.

>>17872379
>>17872377
well, I do know rituals can involve multiple people. But it has to be adjusted to be safe. Not saying he doesn't do it, but you have to be careful with that. Extremely careful.
Source on the Alan Moore thing? Genuinely interested. Anyways, when you attempt to summon a demon that powerful, either a) you fuck up something and he doesn't show up at all (you can consider yourself lucky) or b) he shows up and is offended by your ubris and mistakes and starts pestering you/starts feeling contempt towards you. Like everything, start low and work your way up.

>>17872400
"Dave Gibbons, who’s a very down-to-earth, practical man, had come up to visit me. He’d seen the Asmodeus picture that I’ve got up on an altar kind of shrine type thing, and he phoned me up a couple of weeks later, saying that he’d just got this book called Four-Space which is a book about the fourth dimension in mathematics. This is not a mystical or occult book, this is hard maths. Very hard maths a lot of it, certainly beyond me. But at the end of the book, the guy who’s put it together gets a little bit playful and just decides to have a little bit of fun with speculation, because whereas all of the book has been hard mathematical facts, in the last chapter he lets himself be a little bit speculative and he sorta says, “Alright, if there was such a thing as fourth-dimensional life, how would this appear to us? Well my best guess is that it would appear as a kind of multiple images of itself at different scales arranged in a shimmering latticework.” And Dave said that he felt the hairs on the back of his neck stand on end, because he’d seen the Asmodeus picture, which is pretty much exactly that!

Arthur: Another shivery moment.

Yes. One of the first things that struck me when I started to think about the possible spatial aspects of some of these experiences was, Isn’t it strange how many mythological creatures and gods have got so many heads and arms? What if they haven’t. What if the dog god of the underworld, Cerberus, what if he’s only got one head, but he’s shaking it back and forth through a different sort of space? Kali. What if they’ve only got two arms, and they’re just dancing in a kind of Marcel Duchamp “Nude Descending A Staircase” kind of space, where all moments exist at once? Don’t know. My personal feeling is that you’re gonna get a lot more of this as this century starts to evolve. I think that we’re gonna start to look at ancient knowledge, in its own context..."

>>17872404
https://arthurmag.com/2007/05/10/1815/
full article here, interesting man

>>17872403
I'm not concerned about A.M.S.'s circle. It's one some other anon posted I'm concerned about. Also I said before personalization of the ritual is fine and encouraged when you know what you're doing.
I just say people should research a bit more, and shout "m'horse Orobas got me laid, shout out for him" less. Experimentation, as far as you know what you're doing, is fine with me.

>>17872418
Ah my mistake. I thought you were that same person.

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Which demon would be the best to summon to harm someone you don't like?

Senpai

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What do if someone summons a demon to fuck your shit up?

>>17872428
Andras, try Bael too, evoked them both at once

>>17872438
And what could I offer in exchange for doing that specific act of violence? Also, isn't Bael a super powerful king? Like, almost rank 1?

>>17872438
>evoked them both at once
I require a greentext story

>>17872441
Bael is indeed powerful and first and foremost a son of a bitch. Not first summon material.
Andras is fucking dangerous. Not extremely powerful but kind of a wild card, not first summon material as well.

>>17872441
>>17872443
I'm actually being sarcastic u'know? both Bael and Andras will most likely fuck your shit up...even more if you are a beginner.
thou, if you are dumb enough to do it, please report us

>>17872449
Well then... I'd rather not use them. What is first summon material for the purpose of revenge or harm in general?

>>17872457
Haures. He's kinda scary and a trickster though. Beware.

>>17872457
Check book in pdf pls

Well. I evoked Marbas

Btw evoking Paimon would not be a stupid move. He would either ignore me or make himself visible because of the connection.
Things can only get dangerous after you succeed in evoking Paimon and act stupid.


Anyway. I made a hand made incense with herbs and stuff. The thing is dried pepperment is freaking hard to burn. Only the tip burns and turns to ashes.

Needless to say, flame easily died. So I burned couple of them and tried to flame going. I thought it was not going to work and I would have to get some real incense or burn some alcohol.

I succeed to get a flame going bigger than others, felt relieved and entered the circle. I was going to relax and meditate but noticed the flame was going to die out so I panicked. So invited the spirit and point my knife half way through. I almost forgot to do that.

No shit happened. So I sat there brooding because the flame was going to die anyway. At least I couldn't see any flame. Only some lava colored peppermint. It looks so bright and lava like before turning to ashes.

I thought there was some eerie humming noise coming from the open window behind me. So I looked to my side and then became self aware before I could turn all the back, so I immediately returned my gaze back to the triangle. Chaos magick training didn't help me there.

Flames went up all of a sudden and became bigger than before. Like 5x larger and went up until there was no fuel left. It was amazing. I saw no sight of Marbas. Later I understood it was maybe because I only said "hear my call", not "hear my call and appear before me." He technically did make himself visible.

I felt his presence. At first, his presence felt too overwhelming. Then it was comfortable but vivid. A bit hypnotizing but I think hypnotizing part was because my concentration was gone at that point. He only made his presence known after I gave up and thought I would give it another try.

I think he manipulated me a little.

>>17872501
I hope you banished
losing focus is a big no no

>>17872501
>I think he manipulated me a little.

I think he manipulated me a little. The same way Orobas almost manipulated Crowley.

I intend to ask him to do some illness to a troublesome engineer.(for non career reasons or semi related) I am a programmer myself.
Marbas was the first demon that caught my attention btw.(before Paimon) Later I thought binding that person would be better instead of some illness.
I thought Marbas could be against harming an engineer but I could persuade him by spreading my programming knowledge. That person is in a different field but his field is not exactly useful anymore.

Anyway It didn't happen for particular reasons I think. I still had some doubt. Marbas probably had easy time to use my slight reluctance especially after things didn't go as I planned.

So instead he persuaded me. I have a chance to avoid this troublesome asshole if I can succeed in my career. My deadline is 15-16th of this month. I thought to myself I would go work towards that goal. I also thought back to things Crowley said about Justification. I still have a deadline before I can say I have done everything I could. But I didn't remember Orobas' manipulation atm. So yeah. I blame Marbas now. Although I thought those were my legit thoughts, they are influenced by Marbas but they are true.

I give him a license to depart. I was feeling motivated more than I ever was for at least a year after the evocation. Full of self confidence

So either he is going to continue to inspire me to success or we will have another date two weeks later.

Would recommend to another programmers/10

>>17872568
bs

Does salt works against demons?

>>17872507

I banished. That was the thing I was the most cautious about. I was there to stay in the circle so I would not forget banishing the demon. I remember feeling absent minded, just sitting there after I thought I was not going to ask the favor. Maybe he thought he would get lucky and I wouldn't banish him. But I still have some fucking training

I got manipulated but no hard feelings. He had a point.

However, it was a good first experience. I will not get fooled again. I am thinking of adding disrupting sounds and visuals to my meditation. I am used to meditate with no disruptions

I think I will side Marbas for a while. It is a good choice for me career wise.

>>17871883
Do you mind sharing your experiences with Marbas?

>>17872603
Ive seen it before.

Its legit

>>17872617
What are the consequences of not banishing?

>>17872630
When I was a stupid teenager, a freshman, we tried to summon a thing with my friend and we didn't banish afterwards. His house were haunted for 2 years.

And what we managed to "conjure" was probably some weak ass incubi. I don't know the details of what we have done back then but we used some mirrors and sigils
Nothing harmful happened to him but he would often say shit was annoying. We stopped doing shit together few weeks after that and never met in real life until he called me to try and help him after a year we conjured that thing.

I was unable to help him. He was using earphones and he started ignoring that incubi for a year until things stopped happening

I stopped doing anything remotely related to occult in high school after that

>>17871406
Looking good.

>>17871454
Thank you for your help.

>>17871695
> so your wife was able to experience all of this along with you by being there? i thought it was a solo experience desu

I guess so. I gave her the Ring just in case and she was silent for the majority of it.

>>17871749
I have enough "students" now to form my occult organization, I imagine, but I'm not at all qualified. If the Temple of Set or O9A are interested in me, they should send me an email but I seriously doubt they will. I'm pretty sure that if the OTO finds out about this I am fucking done for.

>>17871755
Did you stick a fork in a power outlet?

>>17871775
I use initials to identify others outside the circle. I'm not a big believer in this "never mention names" thing.

>>17872042
My wife had the Ring of Solomon to protect her and, and my clients know the risks. If tragedy befalls me all I ask is that you learn from my mistakes and do better than I did.

>>17872082
Yeah, no. The A in my motto stands for the Latin word for "ambition," not the word for "begging for scraps of knowledge that's freely available online from an egomaniac in a white robe."

>>17872200
I hope so. It feels good, too, try it and see.

>>17872265
I agree you should avoid Paimon, at least.

>>17872277
>>17872288
I'm worried about it too, need to talk to Orobas ASAP.

>>17872334
Five-star post, even if I don't agree with point 1.

>>17872377
> Regimented hierarchies of magical practitioners, allowing advancement based on merit, really don't exist in this modern age, in the sense you're talking about. There is no college degree for summoning.

It is, and always has been, an elitist power grab. I have my inner circle, of course, but I am 100% honest regarding my methods in public and I encourage anyone with the stones to try them.

>>17872418
The question I have is, when do you think someone "knows what they are doing?" People can study for years and not learn shit, and they can learn a ton in a scant few weeks.

Haven't had the chance to stop by, can someone update me on any important events that happened? As in what was the all hail sitri edition about?

>>17872703

Hey A.M.S. just in case your missed my post.

>>17872154

>>17872703
>I hope so. It feels good, too, try it and see.
I'm actually going to try it tomorrow noon, will summon Orobas, as a horse I think he'd like the place of my temple, when you speak with him can you tell him that I'm going to ring tomorrow?
Also, how old are you if you dont mind my asking, and at what age you started summoning?

>>17872703
Ask Orobas if Trump will win the election.

>>17872730
I will ask Vassago when i summon him, but that's gonna be later

>>17872734
Thanks. Trump needs all the help he can get.

You niggers need to fucking chill


Some nigger doing Paimon as a first?

>>17872703
Can you ask Orobas this >>17872428 please?

>>17872779
Ask Orobas yourself

>>17872154
> Thanks for the detailed description and whatnot. What's Sitri's deal anyways? What did he do this time?

He's been scaring any client that expresses doubt regarding my abilities. I've had two separate clients with Sitri express doubts to me in private and then be terrified by poltergiest activity, with Sitri claiming credit thereafter. I appreciate he's trying to help me but I feel it's a matter of pride for him and I don't want it getting in the way of actually helping clients.

> And what happened to that fellow that deeply resented his sisters for interfering with his life? Are you able to share any details about that with us?

No.

>>17872715
A.R.S successfully evoked and formed an ongoing pact with Sitri, got some great results.

>>17872728
> Also, how old are you if you dont mind my asking, and at what age you started summoning?

I am 27, and I have been reading tarot since I was a child. I have been studying the occult on and off my entire life, but I never took it seriously until my first evocation about a month ago. It feels like a lot longer than that, but I'm not a veteran at all.

>>17872730
Orobas sees little value in Trump is all I can tell you, based on what he has told me. I do not want to derail this into a politics thread, so I'll keep my personal opinions to myself.

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>Gay birds edition

Amy edition when? I said so in the last thread, but this demon is the ultimate underrated /x/fag demon.

Pros:
>Great motherfucking president.
>Can bestow a "Wonderful Knowledge" of ALL the liberal sciences, including astrology.
>Only demon to bewray treasures kept by spirits, ie: the awesome kind of treasures.
>Gives great familiars, a talent mostly shared by the higher level demons.
>Will come to you on a budget. So easy to summon it's absurd.
>Has not gotten much love ever. His entry is among the shortest and least specific in the entire goetia, and I never see him discussed online.
>Literally made of "flaming fire."
>Can be honored/ invocated easily by inhaling smoke (ie: taking the fire into yourself.)

Cons:
>Will try to make you forget why you called him as a negotiation tactic, but you'll still wind up with something relatively awesome even if it wasn't what you went in for.
>Has a very dry sense of humor.
>He's made of fire so I probably wouldn't piss him off.

>>17872821
if you put it like that... he's on my list too, sure

>>17871394
can i summon a demon to be my boyfriend

Quick question, can any of you identify the name/details of an angel/demon/spirit if you saw photographic evidence of it? Because I might have something.

>>17872987
Possibly, post it and let's see

>>17872947
Yeah

Prince Sitri, when summoned walk into the triangle and hug him tightly

>>17872995
Alright, give me a moment, story and photos incoming.

>>17873011
ohhh yeah, those dubs predict something good

>>17873022

dubs predicting dubs predicting something good.

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>>17873022
Left the exif in for accuracy, sorry for the shit quality, it was an iPhone 3.

>the day is October 31, 2012
>pushing carts at a Wal-Mart in Crowley, Texas
>everyone is coming into the store with cool and cute Halloween costumes
>my cart-pushing partner B is with me, enjoying the relatively slow day
>B elbows me in the shoulder jokingly and says "Think we'll see a ghost tonight?"
>laugh out loud and say "I'm sure fucking Wal-Mart is the first thing on a ghost's mind!"
>still regret that line to this day
>a few hours of manual labor pass by until about 10 pm, when me and B are stricken with a sense of dread
>"Hey B, did you geel that?"
>"I don't like this man, let's pick up the pace so we can move closer to the entrance"
>we start clearing the cart bays from left to right until we reach the last bay next to the field area not far from the edge of the parking lot
>all of a sudden I felt a presence and my head instinctively jerked to the field
>"holy fuck B, LOOK!"
>our jaws drop in terror as a literal flying fucking nimbus floating with a mind of its own hovers into the parking lot
>yo dude, what the FUCK is that, clouds don't move that way Look how close to the ground it is, it can't be more than 10 feet in the air!"
>in what can only be describes as the most horrific moment of my life, the nimbus starts making its way toward us
>shit our pants in terror and nope the fuck back to the entrance to watch from a safe distance
>be is visibly shaking "nigga FUCK THIS SHIT, I ain't pushin' while that thing is out there"
>I don't blame you dude, I ain't going out there either, that thing looks pissed!"
>at this point the thing is literally chasing customers and scaring the fuck out of them
>It stops above a truck
>decide to take out my shit tier iphone and take a few pics

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>>17873092
>all of a sudden it gets bigger and starts moving again

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>>17873092

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>>17873099
elongates into a fucking line, people are getting into their cars and noping the fuck outta there as fast as possible

>>17873092
>>17873099
>>17873108
noice...
dont know if its a demon thou, imho its a ghost or elemental or something else really

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>>17873108
>eventually expand until it covers the entire fucking parking lot and continues to make customers uncomfortable for hours until it slowly fades away

Anybody got any ideas? This was the closest thing to a paranormal experience I've ever had. It just felt evil somehow.

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>>17872026
alabe.com ;)

>>17872821
I am very interested,might you explain the ritual you did,since i believe:
>Can be honored/ invocated easily by inhaling smoke (ie: taking the fire into yourself.)
May be a little lackluster into getting his attention for a first time,or he may be a very busy spirit.
One more question:
Is this you spreading his word because you agreed to do so as a form of an offering during a ritual?

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>>17872935

Score one more for the lord of fire!

I'm trying to get more people here summoning Amy, because of how hugely underappreciated/ underutilized he is. Pretty much the only thing I would advise on are the familiars. Mine is a great familiar, and I noticed a seeming increase in paranormal activity almost immediately after I received it, but you have to remember that these are demonic familiars. They're not Pokemon. You have to be prepared if they end up looking kind of gross, and I get the feeling that's more likely to happen if you can't remember what you're supposed to be asking for.

I might try summoning him again tonight to make an offering of thanks, or possibly tomorrow when I have some better tools at my disposal.

What being do you think is the best for granting skill in musical instruments?
Not Jimi Hendrix guitar playing level of course,but intermediate or something like that,and what do you think would be the price?

>>17873197
aren't you the anon who got that mass of snakes/eels as a familiar? How's he doing?

>>17873197
Can you ask him why did he tell Melisandre to burn Shireen for me?

>>17873118
So, do you think it was alive and trying to tell us something, or was I just being paranoid? Clouds don't just float in the form of a ball and actively chase people from 10 feet abot the ground, right? I mean I've heard of ball lightning, but ball CLOUDS? On a Halloween night? I've been browsing 4chan since 2010 but only now had the courage to bring this up.

>>17873197
List of paranormal happenings pls. Has he completed his end of the deal? If not you should wait a bit.

>>17873226
ayyy lmaos? perhaps?

Who fucking summoned a tripfag?

Why the fuck did you bring me here.

I never been on this board before.

Why is there a thread about the moon landing?

Does this happen often and I just happen to be the only tripfag left since moot left?

Can I summon a girlfriend?

>>17873205
>Vapula

Sixtieth Spirit is Vapula, or Naphula. She is a Duke great,
mighty, and strong; appearing in the Form of a Lion with
Gryphon's Wings. Her Office is to make men knowledgeable in all
handicrafts and professions, also in philosophy, and other sciences.
She governs 36 Legions of Spirits.

>>17873092
>demons at wal-mart
...so, walmart is hell?

Surprises no one.

>>17873252
Thanks,i read the pastebin,just didn't know if Vapula/Naphula might be the right choice.

>>17873257
kek

>>17871770
i give it 3 pepes out of 8

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>>17873263
Come to think of it, a demon is probably not the worst thing to see at wal-mart.

>>17871463
heh

>>17871394
How's the success regarding finding job?

>>17873274
>be me
>believe blurry images of shadowy figures to be the ghost of notable people
>see this picture
>have a hard time believing anything about it even though its relatively high definition
WAL-MART was not created by the devil, because not even he is that evil.

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>>17873274
mfw you're actually right

>>17873277
Success rate is pretty good according to A.M.S. He negotiates with Bune.

>>17873274
I was going to say wal-mart isn't /x/ related but then I remembered it is wal-mart. It is more /x/ related than anything else. Nothing normal about that place.

>>17873260
If you do go through with summoning, please report back even if it was a complete wash. Kudos for taking the initiative to read the pastebin

>>17873309
Thanks,will do,but i need to do some research on Vapula,see if she is benign and so on.
Do you think he/she/it is okay for a first summon?

>>17873186

Sorry I missed your post! I will clarify a few bits:

>Am I spreading the word because I agreed to?

No. I am spreading the word as a bonus, because I want to. Summoning Amy was way quicker or easier than I ever could've imagined summoning a demon would be, so I figure he deserves some positive word of mouth. You do good work, you get free advertising, you know? As to the specific agreement we hammered out, it was for me to provide "as much energy as you need to make the spell work." In other words, I think I was quite generous on my end of the agreement, and I did get a familiar out of it.

>Is he a busy spirit?

Maybe, but I can't imagine he's busy with human affairs very often, which is why I'm now trying to send some business his way. Can you name a single person besides Solomon or myself that have ever claimed to summon him? I can't.

>The ritual.

I went into a bit of detail with this during the last thread. It doesn't seem like an elaborate ritual is necessary with Amy whatsoever, although it is certainly preferred, just as long as you smoke something beforehand to prep yourself.

Basically, I had been gathering what I perceived to be necessary supplies to undergo this elaborate ritual (including candles, a stone circle, etc...) when I suddenly wondered if I could forgo the theatrics altogether and just use a computer screen to create the triangle/ circle and summon him that way. I became hesitant almost as soon as I started to try this approach but, lo' and behold, he just sort of summoned himself and I had to go along with it. As a result, it is very clear to me that he is hankering for some action. I am an amateur at this, and even I was able to summon him easily with almost no effort. Just make sure to actually have some part of yourself touching the circle if you do try this approach, but I would recommend doing him the proper respect and using a circle regardless.

>>17871394
SMT 1 vs SMT 2?

>>17873330
Thanks for answering my post,Amy seems like a pretty nice being.

Do you consider Amy a viable candidate for a first summoning?

>>17873207

Yes, I am that guy! I assume it is doing pretty well. Obviously, I can't actually know how the familiar is doing per se, as it is literally a ball of serpents, and thus probably can't feel very much of what we feel at all. That said, I do feel quite a bit more motivated to get my shit done, which was the purpose of my calling on a familar in the first place. To that end, it feels like a success, but I gave it two weeks to show me some real results.

The pain has also subsided completely after getting some sleep, as I expected it would. I did oversleep extremely late today, but I think that's also to be expected after the summoning. If it continues to be a problem, I will do something about it.

>>17873341

I certainly would, yes. He was my first successful summoning, and I've only ever tried summoning once before. Personally, I can't imagine that there is any other demon which is easier to summon. Orobas seems to require more effort than Amy does, and he doesn't seem to be more or less cooperative than Amy based on the accounts I've read. Just remember that you're dealing with a demon, take it seriously, and you'll be good.

>>17873367
Thanks again.
Now i am certainly set to even try to evoke Amy.
Wish me luck!

>>17873381
good luck anon, and don't forget to report back with the results!

>>17872821
>dry sense of humor
>con
I want someone to summon him an tell him what amyfag said about him.

You're in trouble now!

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>>17872617
Basically I summoned him under the pretext of needing help with my health, and wishing for him to mentor me in a small number of fields. To this day he still is tutoring me in a few subjects (mainly theoretical and practical magic(k)s and the machinations behind them).

I can also say for sure, he did help me understand the mechanics of sound synthesis well enough to not be shit at sound design now.

Aside from specifics he is an absolute gentleman at first, if a bit intimidating, and is absolutely pleasant to be around when you both are acquainted (and are on his good side). He is also an excellent teacher, both when he is tutoring my conscious and unconscious mind, always leaves the answers dangling teasingly in front of you until you realize it yourself. Asks a lot of questions to make you think, that kind of thing.

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>>17872703

do you deal with all your students irl? or would you be willing to take someone on online?
and who is OTO why would they be mad?

>>17872117

and don't be mistaken, birbs are ruthless and should be stopped before seriously harming people
>gif related
T H E B I R B M E M E S A R E B A C K B O I S

Does anyone here actually summon angels?

>>17873197
>>17873350

Do you mind expanding on the increase of paranormal happenings?

>>17873519
I tired once, felt nice the next day and that's about it.

>>17871492
So far from non Christian accounts I've seen people saying furfur is a woman.

Also i second that demons likely don't have gender as we know it. They probably all appeared as male to humans because that's who had all the power in the day. Just like when a witch would summon it usually was a female spirit

>>17871536
I'm lost, I thought we were in /sum/

>>17871488
Aww, it's John Oliver. =^]

>>17872354
Please explain how they would prefer it, almighty voice of the gods.

>>17873481
> do you deal with all your students irl? or would you be willing to take someone on online?

All of the potential "students" I have are online, but I warn you I have be evoking for all of a month, and most of my "wisdom" is in the pastebin. I am happy to advise and mentor people but I'm not a "master" and I certainly don't need people repeating my numerous mistakes.

> and who is OTO why would they be mad?

The Ordo Templi Orientis is a major fraternal, religious, and occult organization. It was founded by Aleister Crowley. I have several friends on the inside, but if they knew what I was doing these days they'd flip their wigs - they're strong believers in the idea that you need to be properly initiated and prepared before you start summoning.

>>17873642
How hard is it to get in OTO,and do they have branches all over the word?
Secondly,i sent you an email,i would highly appreciate it if you check it out!
Thanks in advance!

>>17873651
>>17873481

From what I recall, the OTO has lodges mostly in the U.S. and Europe. It's not at all difficult to join, but NB that they have a strict system of grades and fairly rigid religious beliefs (i.e. Gnosticism and the Right-Hand Path / "white magick"). It takes a *long* time to climb the ranks there. The folks A.M.S. and I know are pretty high-ranking, but they've been part of it for most of their lives.

>>17873676
Do you need to know someone from within to be able to join?

>>17873679

Don't think so; I'm pretty sure they're happy to pull in newbies as long as they have discipline.

A.M.S. might be able to speak more intelligently about it, as he's marginally more familiar with how the OTO works. Remember, I'm a scientist and skeptic, I think this stuff is all entertaining psychodrama :P

>>17873688
Nice get,thanks for the info,i think it'd be difficult for all of this to be some kind of RP.

>>17871188
i get tinglies alot i've actualy experienced enough that i've started to learn to control it and move it around aswell as stop it. so basicly just mind over matter it besides i think somone might be worshipping me like im a thought form anyway though despite haveing a physicall body my eyes change color some times and i stop needing to learn or put effort in instead i just know and do. But that aside tinglies are totaly normal just don't let your spirit move out of your body while the tinglies are heppening or i don't know what will happen to you. well atleast not like this i don't i can certainly speculate though.

>>17873642
I consider it pretty ominous that you are using Icarus as your name on gmail.
What if demons being kind is all just a gigantic ruse and they are having a laugh about how naive we are,even though they are dropping pretty obvious clues and analogies?

>>17873708
oh and if your wondering whether you get that ability when your eyes change color you probably don't my eyes have switched between the two colors my entire life.

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>>17873615

>john oliver is as beautiful and lovable as presented birb

not likely senpai

>>17873642

ah so are there any big differences between OTO, TOS, and 09A? which one would you think is better or more preferable?

>>17873676

>Gnosticism and the Right-Hand Path

these are worship and respect for the power of the world and magik in itself? or is it focused on a deity or god?

im not really a super religous person desu but i am really interested in /occult/ /magik/ and the works, it's more of a seeking knowledge thing i guess.

would people of a group be okay with that? or would i need to worship a god to even be introduced? pardon any ignorance i'm new to this.

also, my email is [email protected] if emails are prefferable to anyone

>>17873697

>i think it'd be difficult for all of this to be some kind of RP

Take some DMT and get back to me on that. But I'm not here to be a skeptical dick; it's fascinating stuff, and A.M.S. is my best mate. The rituals and super super cool if kind of goofy-sounding in English, and I kinda wish I remembered enough Hebrew (or Latin) to try the LBRP in either of those. Same goes for the tools -- A.M.S.' wife and I bought him the sword for his birthday a few years ago, and as a sword nerd I can confirm it's a lovely piece of steel and silver.

Also, the scholarship and general civility of /sum/ has been top-notch. It's nice to see people having reasonable discussions for a change. Though I do miss Ape of Thoth on here; hope he or she shows up sometime.

>>17873733

>are there any big differences between OTO, TOS, and 09A

Uh... yeah. There are *vast* differences. A.M.S. was almost certainly taking the piss when he talked about being worried about the OTO, since they are explicitly into white magick. Their central credo is "do what thou wilt is the whole of the law", but in reality there's a fundamental assumption underlying that statement that you'll never use magick for any kind of harm.

I know less about TOS and 09A, but TOS seem kinda like pseudointellectual wankers, whereas 09A are serious, scary hardcore Satanists.

>worship and respect for the power of the world and magik in itself

Not exactly. Look up Gnosticism on WP or search for the OTO literature on the Gnostic Mass and that'll give you a better idea, but the TL;DR is the belief that our world/universe was (maybe unintentionally) created by a false god, the Demiurge, who arrogant and jealous, and who is hiding us from the true Godhead/Light of Creation out of spite.

Is it ok to have a copy of the lesser key inside the circle with you in order to read the conjurations? Since the seals of the spirits are in the book would they be able to get into the circle that way?

I emailed you, AMS.

I'm very interested in becoming a student.

>>17873642

> I am happy to advise and mentor people but I'm not a "master" and I certainly don't need people repeating my numerous mistakes.

Well, that's sort of the point of mentoring, isn't it? Thus why I'd like to become a student. I want to do things the right way and make my own mistakes, not somebody else's I can avoid.

> Temple of Set

As a practicing Kemetic, ToS intrigued me a few years back, but I haven't heard good things about them either.

>>17873762

> Not exactly. Look up Gnosticism on WP or search for the OTO literature on the Gnostic Mass and that'll give you a better idea, but the TL;DR is the belief that our world/universe was (maybe unintentionally) created by a false god, the Demiurge, who arrogant and jealous, and who is hiding us from the true Godhead/Light of Creation out of spite.

So when you say this is a 'strict' religious belief, basically you can't be in OTO unless you're Gnostic? Kinda like how you can't be a Baptist if you aren't Christian? Or is it more like "you'll be judged and won't gel with most of the context in which things are taught so you're going to have to do a lot of extra work to translate to your own faith"?

I'm of the opinion that all of this /sum/moning stuff, demons, magick, etc., is pretty secular in that it can be applied to any faith but doesn't require faith as a prerequisite at all. How frowned upon is that belief?

>>17873861
I don't see your email, you might need to send it again. I'll take you on but don't say you haven't been warned.

>>17873867
> Well, that's sort of the point of mentoring, isn't it? Thus why I'd like to become a student. I want to do things the right way and make my own mistakes, not somebody else's I can avoid.

Email me, I'll take you on, you've been warned, etc.

> As a practicing Kemetic, ToS intrigued me a few years back, but I haven't heard good things about them either.

They're really more of "satanist" organization than a genuine cult of the original god.

> I'm of the opinion that all of this /sum/moning stuff, demons, magick, etc., is pretty secular in that it can be applied to any faith but doesn't require faith as a prerequisite at all. How frowned upon is that belief?

You're going to find a lot of oddballs who do this stuff, so I'm not sure it's frowned upon except by judgmental fools who feel the need for both magickal and religious superiority complexes.

>>17873911

Just sent another one. Thank you for both the opportunity and the warning!

>>17873923
Please answer me,affirmatively or no,i would appreciate an answer.
onlymailonetime here

>>17873935
I just emailed you back. I'm sorry, but I don't think I can manage your request. Forgive me.

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>>17873960
Because you are kawaiii desu b-baka

>>17873945
Was his request to kill a bunch of people or what?

>>17873988
Changing a part of my body.
>not benis

>>17874009

>not benis
>unironically not benis

I'm probably gonna end up sacrificing my penis to Sitri, tbqh. Probably not supposed to use his name like this, but it's not like that bastard doesn't already know. It'll be alright though, I know where I'm bargaining from and he respects that.

>>17874069
Oh my fucking god why the hell would you do that?!
>Sacrificing penis for a favor with a demon
>Demon of sex and one night stands
KEK

>>17874069
>sacrificing benis

Just give the nigga your family

>>17874075

Sitri is in love with me, that's why. Also, in common Western thought, the phallus is the single most valuable bodily sacrifice one can make, and if you understand that then you can understand what you can get for it in return.

>>17874083
I really hope you are not serious.
An ageless spiritual being.
Falling in love with a mortal.
Can you not realize he is just tricking you ffs,are you that stupid!?
A.M.S. ,the guy that knows shit,help this sorry fucker out before he cuts off his delusional benis off for fucks sake!

>>17874083
Please don't cut off your penis for Sitri, trust me, h would not approve. Invoke him instead and stick the penis inside a consenting partner.

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>>17874083

> sitri is in love with me

>there's this stripper i know and she's the one for me i swear we're totally in love

>>17874091

I'm trans so I already sacrificed what my penis represents, i.e. being a man, I'm not particularly worried about the flesh myself. I've known Sitri for a very long time now, and if you don't think ageless spiritual beings ever fall in love with mortals, then you don't really know too much about spirits. They're beings with sentience and emotion.

>>17874083

Exactly what >>17874099 said,he even has the power of dubs.
But seriously,Sitri is a demon of passion,and you basically becoming a monk out of the blue would be very bad,and i think he would be displeased as well.

Why do demons obey anyone at summons them, why are they afraid of circles?

>>17874104
>tfw orobas will never love you

Still sounds really fucking dumb to give up the dick to a a demon of passion

I want to do this so badly, but it seems all too complicated.

Also, are there sources for this in any other languages than English? Like in my native, language Greek?

Also would being Greek make Zeus or Athena extra favourable?

<.<

>>17874108

Just so we're clear here, I'm not literally chopping off my dick, I'm gonna get surgery that's covered by my insurance and get a designer vagina instead. I honestly don't even really like using my penis for sex anyway so I don't think I'll mourn it.

>>17874123
Now, this, Sitri would approve of. Make sure to invoke him before enjoying your vagina.

>>17874123
Might be a bit off topic but what's it like being trans? At what age did you notice you would rather be a girl?

>>17874137

He'll probably be there, I'm guessing.

>>17874146

So, I'm 23 and I've been on hormones for a bit over two years. I knew something was up with my conception of gender ever since I was little (this is when I met Sitri, by the way - he's definitely a predator by common human law standards, but I get where he's coming from) but I didn't have the language to really describe it at that point. I think it popped into my head that I wanted to transition when I was first 14, but I repressed it until my 21st birthday about.

>>17873762
>>17873642

i'm curious, do you know of any groups that'd accept someone just seeking information of the occult/magik and the works, without being devoted to a god or belief. Can't really say Gnosticism is my thing

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>>17874221

>forgot bird gif/pic

i've sinned

>>17874226
Never forgiven,never forgotten.
Screencaping kek

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>>17874230

no pls

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>>17874192
Do you mind sharing details on your relationship with Sitri? Any paranormal occurrences or cool stories? I'd love to hear them!

Any /Fa/ demons?

>>17874251

Sitri has had an (appropriately) dominant effect on my sexuality so there aren't many stories I can single out. Sitri took an interest in me because I'm queer and kinky and submissive and pretty much down for whatever kinds of lust he wants from me. I've felt his presence in different forms and with varying intensity throughout my life, he's very deceptive but I'd recognize him anywhere at this point.

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A request from my fellow /sum/moners. I want to make a comprehensive list of (eventually) every demon in the Goetia and add it to the sticky.
His personality, what he takes pleasure from, what angers them, how you should treat them, how you summon them, and generally tips and tricks for each one.

What I need from you all is for every /sum/moner who has had even remotely successful result, to report back to me at:
[email protected]

Be as specific as possible about your experiences and mention anything and everything which you think is relevant. I will filter through all the content so as to not add false entries. Try to be as extensive and coherent as you possibly can.

Let's help me the sticky a fantastic source of knowledge for all of us to use!

>>17874388
what is the one on the bottom left of that pic i feel slightly drawn to it.

>>17874436
and also the one one up and one right from the bottom left

maybe i just like looking down there?

>>17874436
>>17874442
nvm found them anything else i shpuld know about these two?

Holy fuck guys i was sitting on the stairs outside, staring at Stolas' sigil because i'm interested in him, but as i scrolled down and started reading the page one of the wine bottles we keep on top of the stairs fucking exploded. Probably a coincidence but it sure as fuck spooped me. If it's not i don't really know if it's a good sign or a bad one

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>>17874436
Haures.

He gives true answers of all things, present, past and to come. He will, lastly, talk of the creation of the world, and of divinity, and of how he and other spirits fell. He destroys and burns up your enemies should you desire it; also he will not let you be tempted by any other spirit or otherwise.

A kick ass historian of the demons. No one here summoned him as of yet but if it happens, I imagine it will be an amazing experience.

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Thoughts?

>>17874607
Orobas has nice legs

Is a robe necessary ?

>>17874221
Let's form one

>>17874388
I love the idea

>>17874500
Those dubs made him in my list now

>>17874789
I'd join

Interested in /sum/moning an angel. Help?

>>17874861
Don't

They are cunts no matter what, Demons only fuck with you as bants

>>17874500
What it mean by "not be tempted by other spirits",

>>17874869
He won't let other niggers fuck with ya


It is basic English

Are demons evil? Why should they be trusted. Why do they give humans great powers for small and common offerings?

>>17875044
>Are demons evil?
very

>Why should they be trusted
they shouldn't

>Why do they give humans great powers for small and common offerings?
to bring about hell on earth

>>17875082
Oh get out Lori

>>17875134
why don't you summon bael without your protective circle?

>>17875156
and ask him yourself

>>17875160
Tell us where do you live so we can keep an eye on the news in case you get killed

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>>17875160

if things go wrong just offer your family's souls for gum, will work.

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>>17875189
interesting point sir, we will take this into consideration

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>>17875198

you're a brave soul sir. GodSpeed.

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>>17875208
post rare horse masks please

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>>17875213

rare birbhorse mask

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>>17875228
thanks lori

How do you convince yourself that this isn't just playing with imaginary friends? I'm interested in the occult, and want to believe in it, but I just can't convince myself it's real.

>>17875282
Experience has proven it's real to me

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>>17875282
they are real in your head.. like tulpas and they can help you.. but they dont exist as real entities themselves.. the best proof and example for that is.. sorcerer A a summons Demon X and tells him something/allows him to share.. now sorcerer B summons Demon X and asks for the information.. he wont be able to get it.. if these demons existed outside of the sorcerers mind then you could transfer information like that.. but you cant..

>>17875295
So what, you think that if I go and act out the parts of a ritual without any belief in what's happening that I'll see enough results to change my mind?

>>17875282
You don't, you can't convince yourself that there's actually an entity before you, still, you ask him for a contract and you keep it, because entity or not, even if everything is just in your mind: if it works, it works, and means that there's something there, maybe is not what we think maybe it is, we don't know what it is, but is something. Dunno man, just try to have some faith for the first time in your life, it won't do any harm except for throwing away an hour and couple bucks. That's what I do

>>17875044
To put simply, demons are neutral. People feel safer around Angels because they are "good", but in my experience you are more likely to be herded, manipulated, tricked or attacked by an angel for no comprehensible reason just for The Creator's master plan or what not.

Demons will fuck you up if you piss them off and ain't nobody gunna fuckin' stop 'em, and I guess that is what scares people about them, the lawlessness(?) but it's more in your end on weather or not you're getting an ethereal fist up your ass.

I've only worked with one Demon and one Angel, and I was only tricked by the Angel, who encouraged me to move in with my now ex, who ended up screwing me out of a fuckload of money. But, on the other end of that, a lot of other stuff in my life worked itself out.

So tl;dr
>Just because Angels are good doesn't mean they wont fuck you in some way.
>Just because Demons can hurt you doesn't mean they will, people can hurt you too.
>Don't rush judgement, because a few years later you might see why a spirit had you do something and be grateful.

>>17875322
Yeah but if angels and the almighty creator are real, why would you go against them? Clearly he's more powerful and can fuck you up harder than any demon.

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>>17875329

nvm, didn't read all of post lol

>>17875331
Gods are created by the collective human mind


They are only powerful if you believe they are

>>17875331
Who said I'm going against them? I merely said that if you're going to be so cautious about demons, excersize the same or greater caution around angels. Especially if you are allied to a demon in any way, some angels will fuck your shit up on the spot for that.

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>>17875307

you may, but don't let your lack of belief make you fuck anything up, take all precautions and do it right. better safe than sorry like they say.

>>17875331
Why is that clear?

Time for a new thread

>>17875411
I got you senpai

NEW THREAD

>>17875430

>>17872616
It works against cabbage demons.

>>17873714
Yeah, you are an idiot.

>>17873801
Bumping this question.

>>17874496
I'm not sure either, but that doesn't sound like a coincidence to me, wine bottles don't just explode everyday!