Do you think serial killers are possessed?

He could draw a really fine Thanksgiving turkey with that hand.

Their victims were "possessed"

>>17819930
Probably not, but there surely has been some demonic influence along the line.

>>17819930
No no no, it's just they don't experience empathy. That part of their brain isn't working. It's hard to impossible for them to consider why the feelings of others might matter in any way.

So why wouldn't they kill? After all, the more taboo a thing is, the more fun it is... and the reason most of us draw ethical boundaries for ourselves is we don't like the thought of creating unhappiness in the world.

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>>17819960
>but there surely has been some demonic influence along the line.
most have been in the military

>>17819930
No, it's usually strictly a damaged meat computer, aka brain. Usually resulting from sociopathy, or perhaps a nasty head injury in their youth.

>>17820394
Hallucinations are a neurological phenomenon, not a mythical entity telling him to do bad things.

>>17819930

No. They're just cunts, for the most part.

>>17819930
No, because I'm not a childlike person who indulges in magical thinking.

How easy is it to be a serial killer?

No, I don't think so.

Do you think so OP? Or know anyone who does?

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>>17820477

Gonna make my kids wear crash helmets to protect dat der frontal lobe.

Don't want to have to go on TV in the future and explain why my kid grew up to eat a bunch of homo's.

>>17820507
Eat a bunch of homo's what?

>>17820519
Buttholes

>>17820519

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Dahmer

>>17819930
Anyone notice how there are no serial killers anymore? It's all just allah akbars and beta mass shooters

>>17819960
Sometimes, the real demons are human.

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>>17820519

Video related.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcF42YJ76-8

>>17820615

They're still around. Just not at the same level as they were in the west in the 60's-80's.

In developing countries, like those in Latin America, they are booming.

Now there are "alternatives" and it's much harder for them to develop, let alone operate.

When you look at the history of many serial killers, much of them could never exist with modern judicial policies and policing.

>>17820905
That and the media doesn't really report on it as much orrrrr maybe they are just much better at not getting caught.

Do you believe humans are incapable of doing these things without some outside source manipulating them

>>17820941

Better at not getting caught, often the media doesn't report on it as the victims are generally nobodies.

But it's also just a case of them being around less.

People forget how insanely violent the late 70's to early 90's were.

A guy like Gacy or Corll couldn't exist in this day and age.

Corll managed to take out something like 30 kids in one neighborhood in a 3 year period. Modern life and communications nullifies that.

Gacy's past with child rape would have made him an immediate target the minute kids started going missing.

Back then the cops needed to suspect Gacy in the first place before they were able to dig up his previous history.

This is why it's a burgeoning industry in Latin America and China. They're decades behind with minimal law enforcement standards, allowing these guys to operate unchecked.

There's been a few notable modern serial killers in the U.S. There was one guy who specifically chose random targets out of state and left long cooling off periods to avoid getting caught. Still got caught though.

>>17820941
This. Bank robberies happen all the time but they don't talk about that shit.
Reporters also are taught to smudge the details on suicides. "Police are investigating cause of death". People can't help but copy whatever they see in the media, and reports of suicide or murder can be the same way.

>>17819930
do you think the bible is real?

>>17820969

Bank robberies happen at much lower rates than they used.

But so do murders.

For similar reasons I assume (more people in jail for longer, better/more domineering policing, abortion rates).

Of course, there are still serial killers around - But we don't (or rarely) get a Bundy type.

It's things like the Long Island Serial Killer - Never been caught, nothing "juicy" about the killings (strangulation mostly) and most importantly (and the reason black serial killers almost never get exposure) he's killing drug addicts and prostitutes. Not a story.

Even the Grim Sleeper who literally just got sentenced to death - It took them 20 years just to get the police to even give a shit to investigate him because of who the victims were.

Gary Ridgeway was the same - I think he still holds the record for most convictions - But even at the time it was a collective media shrug when he was caught.

Possession by way of mommy issues.

>>17820496

not as easy as it was before modern policing and forensics

>>17819930

Probably. If entities are not responsible initially, they'll get attracted and attached to the murderer sooner or later.

>In the 1980s one of the most famous criminals was a serial killer named Ted (Theodore) R. Bundy. It is not publicly known why he killed so many innocent victims. Ted Bundy told his girlfriend Elizabeth Kendall that "the force" caused him to kill. Bundy’s confession to her was given after his final arrest in Florida. Elizabeth wrote down his confession as he gave it to her over the phone. Ted said,

>"I don’t have a split personality. I don’t have blackouts. I remember everything I’ve done. Like Lake Sammamish. We went out to Farrell’s for ice cream after eating hamburgers. It wasn’t like I had forgotten or couldn’t remember, but it was just over...gone...the force wasn’t pushing me any more. I don’t understand it. The force would just consume me." (Kendall, Elizabeth. The Phantom Prince My Life with Ted Bundy. Seattle: Madrona Publishers, 1981, p.176)

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/bundy.htm

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/shadow-boxing/201309/bundys-demon-part-i

>>17820477
Or...it's physical evidence of mythical beings interfering with human minds.

>brain scans are irregular
Oh thank god it's not proof of anything.

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>>17820541

My brothers gf is a psychiatric nurse and there was a patient high on ice who came in. He made a shiv out of glass and almost broke into the nurses office (was stopped by security just as he broke in). When he was off the drug, my brothers gf asked him if he remembers his trip. He told her that he was told that he was in hell and he had to kill all of the demons in order to escape. The people he saw as demons were the nurses

>>17821218
This right here is one of the spoopiest things I've read lately. You don't need demons or a birth defect to go full slasher movie. It can be done with chemicals that your liver will flush out in a matter of days.

>>17819930
Indeed they are possessed, OP. Possessed by lulz.

>>17819930
No they just realized that they can kill people and enjoy doing so. Are they evil yes but they are not possessed, if anything they are in touch with their animal instincts.

>>17821218
This is a common delusion of persecution. Read into the various forms of paranoid delusions they manifest in predictable forms like gang stalking, being the target of government cover ups, and thinking other people are the devil or daemons out to hurt you. Its pretty basic abnormal psychology.

>>17819930
Ted Bundy was definitely not possessed by another entity. It was all him. It was his purpose in this life.

>>17819930
No, not at all. Sure there might be some faggot who did occult stuff and then decided to kill in "his/her/it's" name but I highly doubt it.
If I ever were to off myself I'd bring people with me because I've already sinned enough, so why not bring more people down with me?

Everyone can be evil if they want to and do stuff like mass shootings or whatever. Doesn't mean everyone will though.
I think it's more that they wish to kill someone in spite or hatred or just because they enjoy it, not because "le evil spirit tells me to kill person".

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A lot of "I watch Criminal Minds I know what I'm talking about" in this thread. The concept of a serial killer as fed to the public is a myth. The lone wolf, brain damaged white male with predictable patterns of behavior is just bullshit.

You guys should check this book out (pic related) if you want your mind blown.

>>17822510
Don't you know Bundy was an innocent corrupted by the evil of pornography?

>>17822572
Is it MKULTRA related? Trauma based mind control?

>>17823846
IDK if you're asking if the book itself is related to it but yes, he mentions it in the introduction, but then almost never explicitly suggests in the rest of the book, which is cut and dry historical info about serial killers' lives which make the conclusions very obvious.

>>17823919
>which is cut and dry historical info about serial killers' lives which make the conclusions very obvious.
And what are the conclusions?

>>17823931
They were [spoiler]created, maintained ties with, and heavily supported by the government, bruh.[/spoiler]

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>>17823937
[spoiler]That's what I suspected bruh, thanks.[/spoiler] The title kinda gives it away. The tagline as well.

>>17823945
this guy is hot as fuck

>>17820967
>There was one guy who specifically chose random targets out of state and left long cooling off periods to avoid getting caught. Still got caught though.
Do you mean Israel Keyes? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Keyes
edit card after he received ransom. That's something he could have easily avoided and completely gave him away.

>>17822572
this is fucking awesome. Thanks

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>>17824705
That's him and his ex Rothschild wife. He says that he's involved with some shadow-government-breeding programs so if that's true then it makes sense that he'd be engineered to be really attractive. Lots of women went crazy on his facebook, allegedly wanting him to put on a balaclava and rape them. Or it's just the mix of supersoldier / animal genetics. or neither.

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>>17824766
Max Spiers, another "genetically enhanced individual". Have your ovaries exploded yet?

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>>17824705
https://youtu.be/gKHBqlzz95U?t=52m50s to 54:00

Case in point, women go crazy about him. To say that in a room full of people ..

>>17822572
Are there any sources provided in this book? Do you believe in the occult?

Didn't alister crowley said that demon are part of our mind? They are in the dark side that exists within us

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>>17824846
I agree with that statement.

>>17824846
He said a bunch of dumb bullshit that contradicted itself. He was a druggie and his thoughts were all over the place.

>>17823945
Is this fucker genetically engineered?

>>17824902
He was a sane man that went crazy and reported back what he saw in there

>>17819930
if it lets you sleep better at night, sure

>>17824978
Where the fuck do idiots like you come from? You all act as if good-looking men were non-existent till now. Childish suggestions that it requires a full-blown genetic manipulation to be hot. You should be ashamed to even think such bullshit.
Hit up the gym or start working out at your own place, eat properly, get a good job (chicks dig military, police, pilots, doctors basically all government jobs) and stop dirtying your mind with stupid, shitty fairy tales about telekinesis and little green men. There you go, you suddenly got much hotter. You don't even need to have a pretty face, just emanate manliness and strong will.

There's always a more accurate, logical scientific explanation as to what convergence of experiences led a person to kill, rape, torture, etc; there's no need to imagine forces beyond the reach of our perception. There is no task left for such things to perform that the human brain isn't already capable of.

>>17824978
that's what he claims, yes. Look him up, James Casbolt. You can find his website on archive.org Can't remember it though.

>>17820615
I think the "golden age" of the serial killer was over when mass surveillance started and drifter culture ended. I don't think though, that serial killers aren't around anymore. It just means they have to be a lot better at what they do to not get caught. Like look at the grim sleeper in LA, or that alleged one in boston. It's not impossible, you just have to be smarter.

>>17825627
>I think the "golden age" of the serial killer was over
Now here come the mass shooters! Don't need to hide for very long when you blow your brains out right after you're done with your victims.

>>17820496
it's easy if you keep your DNA to yourself

>>17825854
It's horrifying, and actually scarier than serial killers. Like at least with them as long as you didn't get into a stranger's car or whatever you would be fine, nowadays you can get shot just by going to a movie theater or school

>>17819930
Yes

>>17822672
Yeah I saw that final interview where he says that. Whilst I do kind of understand where he's coming from with the negatives of pornography, I personally don't believe that porn caused him to what he did.

It was just a joke because Bundy saying that was so ridiculous. I'm sure there are complicated psychological reasons that he ended up where he did but I'm sure porn was only a tiny fraction of it, if it was involved at all.

>>17826008
Yeah--what it was, was Bundy trying to buy a little more time, before they pulled the switch on him. "Porn made me do it. Give me a little porn to look at and then study me."

nope

>>17820373
>they don't experience empathy
Dahmer usually sedated and killed his victims quickly, not wishing them to suffer (as reported by Schwartz, 1992).
According to defense expert Carl M. Wahlstrom, M.D., Dahmer had to drink in order to murder his victims, since he did not enjoy killing (Schwartz, 1992)
- http://www.psychforums.com/antisocial-personality/topic50737.html

>>17820496
https://nbclearn.com/files/nbcarchives/site/pdf/40933.pdf

>>17820373
This.
If you think of the human body as a machine, they lack a piece in their brains called "functional amygdala", and while I'm not a bad person myself, I can think of bad and evil as mere concepts created by human beings.
Nothing mystical about serial killers at all.

>>17821186
>Or...it's physical evidence of mythical beings interfering with human minds.

Or... you can be introduced to something called Occam's Razor

>>17826764
Yeah, the whole antisocial personality disorder/psychopathy/sociopathy thing is less clear cut than they make it out to be most of the time. I have an inkling that the personalities and characteristics of killers (serial/mass) is a lot more spectrum-like than they'd have us believe. Yes, I'm sure that the anti-social killer has less empathy than the average person but how much less? I bet it varies greatly and that other factors are just as important. When it comes to human behavior, things are never as simple as the media (or even the professionals) seems to suggest.

>>17826772
It's funny. People are saying that they think serial killers are probably less active now (either fewer of them or they're caught before they get to serial status) but how many serial killers still operate in a distinguishable pattern that law enforcement could link as a single series? Any halfway intelligent killer would know by now that the more predictable/repeating their behavior is, the more likely they'll be caught. If half of all murders are going unsolved then it's possible that there are many more unidentified serial killers than law enforcement even suspects.

>>17828265
Ted Bundy's lawyer once said Ted cried a river, at the same time of a confession: "I wanted to be good person, but I just can't".
He also said that was the only time he ever saw a sociopath crying.
On the other hand, you remember how Ted mocked everyone during his trials and how he tried to manipulate during his last interview, and you can only think "this mother fucker here have 0 empathy".
At the end, I think sociopaths can turn their empathy on and off (sometimes losing control over it, perhaps?) (This is not theory of mine, though)

>>17824766
bill murry?

>>17828288
I think it comes down to what's most important to a person. Whether you're a gangbanger doing drive-bys for your gang or a serial killer like Ted, choking the life out of women as you rape them, a person is only going to take the risk of life in prison/death penalty if they have the proper motivation. I'm 100% sure that someone with empathy can do this.

Soldiers are trained to kill and I'm guessing that many of them are reasonably normal in terms of their levels of empathy. They are taught all kinds of justifications (dehumanizing the enemy, it's all for the greater good, he was going to shoot me so I shot him first) but I'm pretty sure that this is completely normal, in a sense.

When it comes to Ted, I couldn't guess one way or another whether this display of emotion was real. Being caught up in a secret life like that might have been keeping the emotion at bay (vaguely like soldiers who are fine on the battlefield and commit suicide only when they come home and have to face what they've done with a clear head). Or, he could absolutely have been full of shit. I'd be more inclined to believe the latter but you never know.

>>17822572
Hey is that the guy who wrote the Henry Lee Lucas article "There's Something About Henry"? That touches on what you'e talking about here. I could fucking believe it, too. Alphabet agency-created disinformation. All that stuff about the amount of executions ordered by George Bush when he was Texas (?) governor...he signed every application for the death penalty EXCEPT H. L Lucas...military death cults carrying out politically expedient hits...that fucking ARTICLE alone blew my mind Anon, will definitely check out that book. Thank you.

>>17828298
It's 'Murray'. No, that's got to be Haley Meijer's grandfather on her mother's side.

>>17824833
Crazy/terrible person or not, I'd marry him.

>>17825444
but like...it's documented that they try. Wouldn't thou? cool trips I guess

>>17828657
>it's documented
what's documented?

>>17828669
oh sorry, were you talking about demons or TPTB attempting mind manipulation? regardless, I'm pretty sure my original response was based on a misunderstanding.

>>17821836
I wonder why these are such common delusions induced by drugs?

>>17828739
Paranoia is an irrational feeling of not being safe (that comes about with some forms of mental illness as well as some drug use). In order to rationalize the persistent feeling of danger, the mind concocts an explanation: you ARE in danger.

And this manifests in whatever way the person believes to be most plausible. A criminal thinks the police are watching him, a devout Christian believes that demons are trying to take over his body and/or kill him, a conspiracy theorist decides that aliens are coming to get him or that government agents are following him around.

At least, that's what I believe to be true.

>>17820717
kill yourself

>>17826764

Dahmer was an unusual serial killer in that he was more interested in the end product rather than the killing itself. Yeah, sure, he didn't enjoy stabbing people to death but he took immense pleasure in entertaining himself with the corpse afterward.

For most killers, the murder itself is where the high comes from. Its having complete and total control over the lives of others that makes them do what they do in the first place but Dahmer was an odd mix of squeamish and being an absolute mad man. You don't drill a hole into someones skull and siphon cleaning chemicals into it hoping to get a sex zombie as the end result unless you're a total whackadoo so.

>>17825135
>Where the fuck do idiots like you come from?
4chan
>You all act as if good-looking men were non-existent
yes, i already told you i'm from 4chan.

>>17825135
Working out and eating properly doesn't make you grow to be 6'4", you dishonest swine.

>>17825135
Oh come on Now ... 5 minutes of searching on the internet will tell you why he thinks that. Also I actually mentioned that he's been genetically engineered above, among other things.

First you insult anon's intelligence for believing James Casbolt has been genetically altered, then some more shaming, and then you tell him what to think and then you tell him to start working for the government to get chicks! You're on /x/ for god's sake. Read what you type anon.

>>17828265
>Why did you keep the heads, why did you cut them off and why did you keep them?
>Something out of my childhood... Uh, I could put it on an incident, I mean my father chopping the heads off our two pet chickens and my mother insisting that I eat them for dinner.. uh (laughs) you know? We could say it was something that simple. I don't think it was. My dad heads out back with a hatchet, I get on my bike and I rode ar... I tried to stop it I remember that... I got on my bike and rode around the block, I was crying. I haven't talked about that for a lot of years.
https://youtu.be/50_Z_i2bTcM?t=592
either he's lying about that event or it is more complicated than people think. It's always difficult to trust anything someone with ASPD says, but I can't find any results trying to find diagnoses of Kemper as a pathological liar (although it's common with ASPD). I also can't find what he was diagnosed with, so he may not even have an ASPD diagnosis.

I remember reading something saying addiction makes people more "ASPD-like" - more prone to lying, lacking empathy etc. and there seems to be a strong overlap between the two anyway:
>According to researchers at Marquette University, fully 90 percent of all people with ASPD abuse drugs or alcohol. Whether officially diagnosed or not, as many as 40 to 50 percent of all people in substance abuse treatment programs have enough ASPD symptoms to verify an antisocial personality diagnosis. In the case of drug and alcohol abuse, people who also have antisocial personality disorder tend to start abusing their substance of choice at an earlier age than people who don’t have the disorder. In addition, substance abusers with ASPD develop serious abuse-related problems faster than abusers without ASPD; they also develop more damaging forms of these problems.
so maybe the line between normal and ASPD is not so set in stone.

>>17828277
>Some of the people who are committing murders even as we speak, if they're doing it by themselves and they tell no-one about it, they could go on undetected until they decided to stop and police wouldn't catch them unless we just happened to roll up on them while they were doing it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50_Z_i2bTcM&feature=youtu.be&t=482

>>17828760
A criminal, a christian and a conspiracy theorist walk into a bar...

If a fugitive is feeling afraid of being caught that does not mean he has paranoia btw. With your post you basically put criminals, devout christians and conspiracy theorists in one category.. That is irrational. Christians who claim to have been possessed cannot be more than .1% of all Christians and yet you prescribed all devout christians a trip to the psych ward.. and the term 'conspiracy theorist' itself was propagated by the CIA to target everyone who questioned the official story of the JFK assassination.

And you lumped every 'conspiracy theorist' with the paranoiacs. There's plenty of video evidence on the internet of gangstalking put up by Targeted Individuals btw.

>conspiracy
>a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful
>the action of plotting or conspiring

>A conspiracy theory is an explanatory or speculative hypothesis suggesting that two or more persons, or an organization, have conspired to cause or cover up, through secret planning and deliberate action, an event or situation typically regarded as illegal or harmful

Why do people overreact about this? Look at what these words mean. People plot things in secret all the time. Do you have secrets? Have you ever did something behind someone's back that he/she might not approve of? Same is with people in power, although probably worse, because they have power, duh. There's no point to go to testimonials and whistleblowers from secret space programs or people who have been mind control victims and the like to prove that "conspiracies exist". Conspiring is basically part of human nature.

>>17830995
Hey man, you completely misunderstood and mispreresented my post.

First of all, I was only explaining paranoia and why the delusions related to paranoia are similar. I was not saying all Christians, criminals and conspiracy theorists are paranoid. I was talking about individuals who have issues with paranoia and then related that to distinct beliefs/lifestyles.

I was saying that if someone is experiencing paranoia, their cultural background and preferences will affect how that paranoia manifests. How persecutorial delusions are based on whatever that person feels most threatened by.

Secondly, I AM a conspiracy theorist along with being a murder aficionado! I am not "those people" who disparage all conspiracies. You're the one placing a negative connotation to my use of the words conspiracy theorist. Yes, I know there is a push to make all people who believe in conspiracies look like they're crazy. I've dealt with this plenty of times. But it's not like there aren't tons of mentally ill conspiracy theorists, just like there are tons of crazy anime fans and crazy religious people. I didn't single them out, you did. They were just one example of personal beliefs/lifestyle choices affecting delusions. So please don't make me out to be an idiot or someone who's trying to make conspiracy theorists look crazy. Doesn't mean I have to believe ALL conspiracy theorists or alleged gangstalking victims, by the way, and I'm sure you don't either. I'm sure you think some conspiracies ARE nuts and you just go with the ones that make sense to you.

>>17819930
Son of Sam said he was. Also said the neighbor's dog was possessed, and would talk to him. Urge him to kill people. And he did. He went to Central Park and killed people at random.

When he was finally caught, and thrown in prison, the demons left him as he was now useless.

They have no love for you. They have no plan for you. They have no hope for you.

They hate you.

>>17831173
>Son of Sam said he was. Also said the neighbor's dog was possessed, and would talk to him. Urge him to kill people.
He also said he had made this up.

Berkowitz declared at a press conference in February 1979 that his previous claims of demonic possession were a hoax.Berkowitz admitted in a series of meetings with his special court-appointed psychiatrist David Abrahamsen that he had long contemplated murder to lash out at a world that he felt had rejected and hurt him. Berkowitz felt particular anger over his lack of success with women and thus singled out attractive young women as victims.

>And he did. He went to Central Park and killed people at random.
Completely wrong, actually. Most of the attacks were in Queens, I think.

>>17831155
I see what you mean, my bad anon. Ride on. That's the thing with words and language in general, it's slow and people can sometimes misinterpret you if you don't make a lengthy explanation.

>Yes, I know there is a push to make all people who believe in conspiracies look like they're crazy.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/british-pm-david-cameron-non-violent-extremists-including-911-truthers-and-conspiracy-theorists-are-just-as-dangerous-as-isil-terrorists/5405059

shitsux bro

>>17819930
No

Yes, demonic appetite

>>17822568
you sound like a cool guy, remind me to never go near you

>>17822568
>Doesn't mean everyone will
Wouldn't it be cool if they did though?

>>17819930
No.
They are brainwashed by the jews.

>>17828288
>sometimes losing control over it
Basically.

>>17819938
Kek. Under-rated

>>17822568
what is mkultra

i can confidently say people can do whatever serial killers do without being possessed or even brainwashed

>>17820998
All correct. The Manson Family murders would have long since been forgotten if they hadn't taken place in Hollywood and involved celebrities.

>>17833889
>what is mkultra
I am MKULTRA.

>>17835084
They are remembered since the murderers were such hot hippie broads on acid. Gimmie acid and Susan Atkins to play with. That is pretty much paradise.

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>>17819930
>Do you think serial killers are possessed?
I think serial killers may have been repossessed once too many.

>>17819930
No.

Read a fucking book, you dumbass.

>>17820717
Dude, I just sunk a nug in my bong and read what you typed.... shits deep, yo!

Your English major is major English!

Email me and we will talk about the cows in the Sweet dreams (are made of these) music video!

>>17835256
you didn't leave him your e-mail address, though. it's okay. no one's perfect.

>>17830719

>Working out and eating properly doesn't make you grow to be 6'4"

Growth hormones can do that, and then give you cancer.

>>17819930
>>The reason for murder is mostly anger
>> having a specific motive
>> Having the desire of killing

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>>17824842
Macgown does not provide sources for his claims. Every so often he cites some article or another author - something that backs up his claims. He's sly, has a great way of putting together coincidences and telling a version of events that are 3/4 and 1/4 complete bullshit.

Read it though, and the Pedophocracy, and Inside Laurel Canyon - the one about hippies sand rockstarss... I think you can find them all online with a decent search. He's a cool dude, and really great writer. HIghly recommend. Just do you own research into the names he brings up, don't fall for weak sources, but yeah, read him if you're a fan of /x/ stuff. It's so interesting!

I think his laurel canyon work is the best one.

>>17819930
It's the opposite of 'possessed'.

There's nothing in there. Nothing.

And that terrifies me more than some girl puking pea soup.

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>>17819930
Speaking as someone slowly having more and more bouts of anger and nothing else, this is pretty much it.

I think those who kill simply feel nothing inside, just a seething anger over their lack of emotion, lack of understanding, whatever.

You could call it a kind of possession, if you changed what your idea of possession really was. If you could, in fact, be possessed by nothing.

It's corruptive apathy, and it's slowly driving me mad.

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>>17825622
>James Casbolt
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_mannequin03a.htm#CHAPTER%20ONE

not that anon,but thank you. I love crazy as balls stuff like this,

>>17836203
take a look at

6 Chapter - The Sublime View

>>17835794
I believe that this is wrong though I understand where you're coming from. I lived for years with chronic apathy and am still very much emotionally dead inside. Apart from my rage, of course. I also feel as though my emotional state is driving me insane much of the time. I feel completely incapable of normal behavior at this point. I find myself mentally going to darker places than I ever would have expected.

I am also very much obsessed with murder/serial killers/mass shooters/tragedy. It sometimes makes me worry for myself but I do believe there's something else going on for those who take up serial killing.

I believe that there is generally an intense element of natural personality-based sadism involved in serial killing (though not always, of course). If they did not enjoy murder, why would they risk prison? I believe that this is less present when killing manifests as mass murder and this is why mass shooters often turn the gun on themselves (ie, ongoing lack of any good feelings lead to a revenge fantasy and when even this can not cause a person to feel good, suicide is absolutely the only option left).

I still find my empathy popping up now and again (though it's been drastically reduced and I find it much easier to turn it off when it does come about) but I can absolutely see how a person can choose to hurt others even with an intact sense of empathy. Resentment, distress and rage can overwhelm empathy in almost anyone (usually in smaller ways, like choosing to say something hurtful to a person you love) but extreme situations lead to extreme behavior. Rage can overshadow everything and completely take control of your behavior.

I'm losing focus here but just wanted to let you know that you aren't alone. It's a killer to experience no emotional reaction but the overwhelming and out of control anger that further alienates you from the average person. I probably got too personal here but whaaatever.

>>17819938
gobble gobble motherfucker

>>17820493
And yet, here you are.

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>>17825135
This

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>>17825135

>>17836208
thanks, will do

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Ever notice how when someone like Mother Theresa or a preacher hears God, they always get a positive message, to go on a mission spreading His word and doing good to others (which is perfectly awesome, in my humble o)

But when people like Dan Lafferty,

>http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/03/books/thou-shalt-kill.html?pagewanted=all

or Roch "Moïse" Thériault

>http://murderpedia.org/male.T/t/theriault-roch.htm
read this if you like reading about sick twisted sadistic murderers like Bundy (bonus, he had a cult family like Manson)

or Deanna Laney
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deanna_Laney_murders

or poor Andrea Yates (with a husband so blinded by his religious faith, he pursued both having more children with her and leaving her alone with the children against medical advice...)
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Yates

or the guy who kidnapped and "married" 14-year-old Elizabeth Smart

or this guy
>http://www.atheistrepublic.com/news/suspected-serial-killer-says-god-instructed-him-behead-children

well, then it isn't really "God" talking to them, then. Right? Some may say it was actually the Devil or demons talking to them (perhaps OP, they wonder if they are possessed.)

We also say they're mentally ill, in these cases; even declared to be insane by the courts, but never, ever when God "tells" someone to do something good.

Food for thought.

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>>17819930

Peter Sutcliffe, aka the Yorkshire Ripper claimed during police interviews/interrogation that God had told him to kill the prostitutes

>Sutcliffe first claimed to have heard voices while working as a gravedigger, that ultimately ordered him to kill prostitutes. He claimed that the voices originated from a headstone of a deceased Polish man, Bronisław Zapolski, and that the voices were that of God.

>He also pleaded guilty to seven counts of attempted murder. The prosecution intended to accept Sutcliffe's plea after four psychiatrists diagnosed him with paranoid schizophrenia.

http://murderpedia.org/male.S/s/sutcliffe-peter.htm

http://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/05/11/Accused-Ripper-says-God-told-him-to-kill/7868358401600/

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"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled is convincing the world he didn't exist."

If the elite pray to Moloch ("He is listed among the chief of Satan's angels in Book I, and is given a speech at the parliament of Hell in Book 2:43 – 105, where he argues for immediate warfare against God.") and we have symbols of Baphomet and shit everywhere then what's to say that demons don't exist? If the top echelons of society worship these deities then there must be something to it.

>>17819930
just confused

>>17837875
no man it's just pranks gone too far

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Serial killers are the same as us, all sins are equal. Sometimes, the wrongfully accused is just an enemy in societys eye.

>>17838596
>Sometimes, the wrongfully accused is just an enemy in societys eye.
hwat

>>17838603
Society can't tell an innocent man he is guilty when they are aware that "guilt and innocence" are just perceptions created by society

>>17838603
Could you not kill for your Creator?

>>17837875
Helter skelter

>>17819930
>>17820507


Recent train of thought about serial killers, pedophiles, those with strange fetishes/desires, and the LGBTQ community...is that they all have small brain tumors.

I discussed it here, but these losers on GLP weren't interested:
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message3197642/pg1

Serial murder is going down and mass murder is on the rise. It's just way easier to walk into the mall or school and shoot people to get attention/feel powerful. SK's like Keith Hunter Jesperson or Dennis Rader who were attention whores in modern day would turn out to be mass murderers instead. The reason serial killing was so popular for bad guys back in the day is because it was what people thought of. Now days you think of Columbine, Virginia Tech.

The only real serial killer's out there today are ones like Israel Keyes who have a refined M.O. and are able to spread their kills so far, or prostitute killers like the guy in Chilicothe, Ohio. Of course you'll get the occasional guy who managed to kill three or four regular people (not drug whores) before he was arrested.

>>17819930
Nah. Most just severe psychological disorders due to shitty upbringings. Although some do truly believe that there is another being telling them what to do. But thats either delusions, psychosis, or blaming their crimes because they can't comprehend the murders they committed.

>>17828804
He was most likely autistic and that is why he thought that would work.

>>17838897
Charles Whitman had that sort of thing going on. It's not a far out theory or anything, but personally I would find it to only be the factor in some cases - just as not all genuine psychopaths had head injuries as children.

>>17839354

Unless everyone gets a MRI scan done, we'll never know.

>>17839463
Good point, anon.

>>17824766
I really want to talk to that creepy wrinkly old fuck.

>>17820717
Cringe

>>17832863
I don't know if I made myself clear.
What I was trying to say is psychopaths will WILLINGLY turn empathy OFF most of the times, but sometimes they will lose this ability (and these times they will behave just like normies, i.e. crying over grandma's death and all of that jazz)

>>17820967
>Modern life and communications nullifies that.
the fact that there are still hundreds of thousands of missing child reports every year suggests that this is not the case. even being very liberal with, say, 90% of those being parents unlawfully taking their children away from the other parent, that still leaves tens of thousands of children simply vanishing, most never to be found. every. single. year.

Probably. People like to employ material reductionist logic to explain the behavior of serial killers, but any practicing spiritualist would know that the physical composition of the brain is just how the soul manifests in three dimensional reality.

>>17839579
so i guess that if you get your skull crushed in, you no longer have an intact soul. makes sense.

>>17836489
Here's one I find particularly gruesome. You can add it to your list of sick shit "inspired by god."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dena_Schlosser

>Dena Schlosser (born 1969) is a Plano, Texas woman who, on November 22, 2004, used a knife to amputate the arms of her eleven-month-old daughter, Margaret, who died as a result. Plano police responded to a 9-1-1 call made by concerned workers at a local day care center who had spoken to her earlier that day. The 9-1-1 operator testified that she confessed to her and that the gospel song, "He Touched Me" played in the background. When police arrived, they saw her calmly sitting down, covered in blood, holding the knife, and singing Christian hymns. Hours after her arrest, police heard her repeatedly chanting, "Thank you Jesus, thank you Lord."

Here's more about Dena and the fucked up preacher who should really be held responsible in some way.

http://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-magazine/2006/june/the-word-according-to-doyle

>>17839555
>A brain imaging study in the Netherlands shows individuals with psychopathy have reduced empathy while witnessing the pains of others. When asked to empathize, however, they can activate their empathy.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/07/130724200412.htm

>>17840527
Awesome information that I've never seen before. Thanks for sharing.

a serial killer killed a friend of mine in daytona beach. well body parts were found a few blocks from my house at time in ormond beach.

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>>17839828
that's scary (and sad) as fuck. Thanks for the reply.

side note: when I was looking up examples of people killed because "got told them to", I saw links to a couple Christian websites with article headlines like "How does God speak to us? Is it smart for us to say 'God told me'", "what we mean when we say "God told me" ... and some (not Christian owned or affiliated) sites pointing out that George Bush said God told him to invade Iraq, Rick Santorum said God told him "to run" (from something, I didn't read it), and something like 68%? that seems to high, but it was above 60% of Americans believe God 'speaks' to them.

if you're interested, Under The Banner of Heaven is a phenomenal book. It really explains a lot about how with men, being preisthood holders, have authority in receiving revelations (just like Joseph Smith did) where God speaks to them and instructs them. God tells Warren Jeffs which which priesthood holders should marry which 14-year olds. And God revealed to Dan Lafferty that he needed to kill his brothers wife because (pretty much) she didn't want her husband to be a polygamist... Anyway, highly recommend. (the link I posted about mr. Lafferty in my first post is about the book, and itself is worth the read:)
>>http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/03/books/thou-shalt-kill.html?pagewanted=all

>>17820477
> nasty head injury in their youth

How many serial killers with that backstory can you name?

>>17839463
No, not really. Brains of serial killers have been dissected for over a century because people wanted to know what's wrong in there. And now some fringe media claims they found it... very unlikely.
The other thing is, that the most common factor with serial killers is a broken home in their childhood. Not all of them, mind you, but many.

>>17831196
Berkowitz was arrested by New York City police homicide detectives in August 1977, and was indicted for eight shooting incidents. He confessed to all of them, and claimed to have been obeying the orders of a demon, manifested in the form of a dog ("Harvey") who belonged to his neighbor ("Sam"). Despite his explanation, Berkowitz was found mentally competent and incarcerated in state prison for murder. In the course of further police investigation, Berkowitz was also implicated in many unsolved arsons in the city.

Intense coverage of the case by the media lent almost a celebrity status to Berkowitz, and observers noted indignantly that he appeared to enjoy it. In response, the New York State legislature enacted new legal statutes, known popularly as "Son of Sam laws", designed to keep criminals from profiting financially from the publicity surrounding their crimes. Despite various amendments and legal challenges, the statutes have remained law in New York, and similar laws have been enacted in several other states.

Berkowitz has been imprisoned since his arrest and is serving six life sentences consecutively. In the mid-1990s, he amended his confession to claim that he had been a member of a violent Satanic cult which orchestrated the incidents as ritual murder. He remains the only person ever charged with the shootings, yet some law enforcement authorities have questioned whether Berkowitz's claims are credible. A new investigation into the murders was launched in 1996, but was suspended indefinitely after inconclusive findings.

>>17831173
He's one of the few serial killers I feel kind of bad for.

>>17821218
i swear i've seen this story posted before, years ago

>>17819930
nope. violent losers with bad home lives. huge egos and sexual appetites. they're not that interesting

>>17841361
Actually, they are interesting if you bother to look at them as individuals instead of coming up with a sensationalized, superficial blanket understanding of what's going on with them.

>>17841235
Yeah me too. Felt really strange reading this and your post..

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Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;

24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

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Why are some of you so fascinated with serial killers? Do you think they are interesting? Would you help one if you found one?

I'm interested. Please tell me.

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>>17841768

>>17841842
>Why are some of you so fascinated with serial killers?
>Do you think they are interesting?
Can only speak for myself but I am interested in deviation from the norm. When that behavior involves death, even more interesting because it's so extreme. I am also interested in the ideas of morality and empathy and how those relate. I'm interested in human behavior generally and how/why people make the choices they make.

When it comes to serial killers and mass murderers, I am very interested in understanding how a person comes to commit acts that just about everyone on the planet see as wrong. Does a person go from relatively normal to relatively monstrous or are they born that way? If there is a transformation, when, how and why does this take place? If they've "always" been abnormal, is it how they've been raised or jut who they are?

I'm also interested in how the public reacts to and explains people like this.

Some serial killers are much more interesting than others. Some are charismatic, some are not so much. Some are willing to shed their mask after they're caught, some continue to play the part of normalcy. Some of them ar even likeable when you're not thinking about how they've done terrible things.

I'm interested in a lot of things and don't constantly read about this stuff (it would drive me crazy if I did) but yes, I am interested in murderers and frequently come back to the subject.

>Would you help one if you found one?
I have no illusions that any killer that I find interesting would want to be my buddy and no, I would not help him/her harm someone. I do enjoy observing from afar, though.

Now for my curiosity.

Why are you interested in the answers to the questions you've asked? Do you think serial killers are interesting? Why/why not?

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>>17841926
It seems deviant to you because you aren't thinking of it the right way. Does everyone on the planet really see murder as wrong? Violence and combat and killing are romanticized all the time. The only switch that needs to be off is empathy; so many people prevent themselves from causing violence because they sympathize with those they harm. Beyond that, we exalt violence.

Violence is the man's solution. It is the golden bullet in every man's life. The final resort that will succeed at any cost. The belief every person has in their heart that if they were truly cornered, they could break free.

I'm curious because I am curious. What makes you turn that on me? Most people answer questions without needing to turn it around, anon.

>>17841987
I didn't say deviant. I said deviating from the norm if that's what you're talking about and it does not mean deviant. You have absolutely no idea what I believe beyond what I chose to include in my post. So what am I thinking of in the wrong way?

Yes, almost everyone sees murder as morally wrong, including some serial killers (and I'd guess that this is probably something biologically ingrained to preserve the species though it could be a tradition passed down for the same reason). They usually only have differing opinions on what constitutes murder.

I am well aware that violence is romanticized except when it's not and it's demonized. The difference between "righteous violence" and "killing an innocent" which is not as clear cut as anyone pretends it is. I am also well aware that empathy prevents violence although as I said in a previous post, I don't think a lack of empathy is the only thing that creates a serial killer. Also, a serial killer doesn't require someone to be trapped in a corner. That's more like the mindset of a mass shooter and I believe the two are usually very different.

I didn't turn anything around, anon. I wasn't sure about your last sentence or two so I wanted to know whether you asked because you do find it interesting (ie, I'm interested in serial killers and want to know why others are too) or because you don't (ie, I'm not in interested in serial killers and want to know why anyone is). I value clarity.

I understand what you're saying here (though I may disagree about some aspects of what you said) but you didn't actually answer any of my questions. I was only trying to have a conversation and you seem to be offended here or something. Too bad.

>>17842186
>Also, a serial killer doesn't require someone to be trapped in a corner.
*becoming a serial killer doesn't require someone to feel like they're trapped in a corner

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>>17842186
Seeing murder as a morally wrong last resort is natural and instinctive to people. In one way or another, this instinct has to break down to create a serial killer. Feeling trapped is one way, or terrified, or pushed into it by higher forces... Something like that.

Not all sociopaths are murderers, but that system is broken down. So it takes more than the breakdown of that "don't kill" system. Do you understand? Something has to push you to do it. Feeling trapped is only one way.

If you didn't turn anything around you didn't turn anything around, but I don't like answering unnecessary questions about myself. Yes serial killers are interesting I suppose. They interest me for reasons I am curious about. Is that insufficient?

>>17839485
What do you mean? The guy on the left is JC, the old lad is part of the Rothschild family or some other blue-blood clan.

>>17840879
what year?

>>17841361
>victim speaking

>>17839555

[Citation needed]

>>17843061
Not that poster. He's just fucked to begin with because he doesn't understand what empathy means. Psychopaths do not feel empathy. But they do feel emotion, for themselves. That is why a psychopath would be upset at the death of their grandma, or pissed off that their girlfriend broke up with them. They are simply the ultimate form of selfishness in a human being. Everything is about that psychopath to a psychopath. That is why their egos engulf them, and they begin to feel the need to dominate other human beings to keep feeding it whether it's through rape, torture or flat out drive-by shooting. I am a 19 year old who was officially diagnosed with ASPD last year.

However, I am not a psychopath. I represent the other side of these degenerates, the sociopaths like Ted Bundy or Israel Keyes. I am able to empathize and have fortunately been able to refrain from falling into the hole that most people with this disorder do. (Outside of drugs, I guess.) There have been times where I've gone into fits of rage and abused pets, tried to kill myself, strangle my sister, etc but those actions were basically kicked to the curb by the time I hit puberty and my father forced me into therapy. I was kept in it until I was out of school and 18 and officially able to be legally considered antisocial. I no longer harm animals or any humans for that matter. I still have an unmoral obsession with serial killers, spree killers, mass murderers and whatever else. I have to find my porn in the depths of the internet. I love looking at crime scene photos. That being said, I dream to be part of the task force hunting one of these fuckers. Sadly, this diagnosis has practically ruined my chances of ever making it into law enforcement as I will never be able to pass a psych screening with it on my records.

>>17843174
hey anon, good post.
It's too bad about your record, sounds like you would make an excellent investigator/profiler. Are you in college? You could still study criminal psychology - work with kids who're struggling with what you've experienced. Or write books. or who knows.

and I'd guess that most (even nearly all) people, at at least one time in their lives, feel some of the feelings you do and/or do some of the things you do. Don't judge yourself by anyone but yourself, and don't let anyone else judge you either. You come across as intelligent and insightful and pretty brave (especially for a tripfag, ha ha - I kid, I kid.)
anyway, thanks for sharing, and be well.

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I posted a list of different killers who said they were motivated to murder by God ( >>17836489 )
So here's a list those who did there work for the Devil, though none look typical of "demon possession" to me.

The killing of of 15-year-old Elyse Pahler in 1995. Famously her parents tried to sue the band Slayer in civil court, alleging their music influenced the killers.
>http://swimmingwithsharksentertainment.com/2015/09/hatred-band-members-perform-satanic-slaying-rape-corpse-to-play-their-instruments-better/

The Ripper Crew was composed of four serial killers. Between 1981 and 1982, the Ripper Crew stalked and murdered prostitutes in the Chicago area. The group would pick up prostitutes, bring them back to their apartment, and murder them. During the murder, one member would read from the Satanic Bible. Once the victim was dead, the crew would desecrate the corpse and eat it.
>http://www.playwithskin.com/exclusive/psycho-serial-sunday-the-chicago-ripper-crew#.V20tCqJcqts

The Beasts of Satan were an Italian satanic cult in the late '90s. The group was composed of friends with a love of black metal. In 1998, cult members ritually murdered two of their friends, and allegedly danced on their graves. The cult killed once again six years later. Authorities caught up to the cult in 2004, and the ringleaders each received lengthy prison sentences.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beasts_of_Satan

During the attack, Kasso allegedly commanded Lauwers to "Say you love Satan", but Lauwers is said to have instead replied "I love my mother".
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricky_Kasso

Running low on room. The rest I'll just leave as links:

>http://horrorfanzine.com/four-russian-teens-stabbed-666-times-by-satan-worshippers/

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Ramirez
Probably the most notorious "Satanic" killer

Bonus: The murder of a University of Texas student in Mexico for Spring Break, Mark Kilroy
http://murderpedia.org/female.A/a/aldrete-sara.htm

>>17825135
This

This guy is an unathletic manlet compared to the high level NFL players

>>17843174
There's no way you're ASPD and you seem to have a very wrong understanding of what that even means. There is no clear clinical distinction between sociopath and psychopath and neither one of these is traditionally capable of acting out of empathy so either you were very misdiagnosed or you're simply lying.

Serial killers and ASPDers don't only show symptoms when they are in a fit of rage, especially if that is happening prepuberty. It sounds like you are overemotional and people with ASPD tend to be emotionally underreactive. Trying to kill yourself because you're so emotional is completely out of line with ASPD. Unless there were other symptoms, I don't understand why you were given this diagnosis and even then the ones you did mention don't really match. Sounds more like intermittent explosive disorder to me or something else.

You also call obsession with killers "unmoral" which makes me think you're just fucking around here. I'm not ASPD, I'm interested in these things (think about them a lot) and even I don't believe it's immoral. If you really want to go into law enforcement you should absolutely seek a more accurate diagnosis because this sounds like a wrong one to me. Your doctor must have sucked, unless you were /trying/ to convince them of this diagnosis.

>>17843174
>(Outside of drugs, I guess.

What drugs are you into, anon?

>>17843870
LOL this x1000

>>17842215
>So it takes more than the breakdown of that "don't kill" system.
>The only switch that needs to be off is empathy
You're contradicting yourself and you're asking for answers that you're not willing to answer yourself. What, do you think you want to be a serial killer?

If you think serial killers all feel trapped and use this as a way to feel free then you should do some reading about serial killers because that's not true. Serial killing is generally about satisfying some selfish physical or emotional need that can't be fully satisfied without actually killing another person. As I've said before, it's the mass shooters who I believe feel trapped.

If these are unnecessary questions there's not much else to say. Don't kill anyone anytime soon, anon. I don't want a visit from the FBI.

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>>17843870
>There is no clear clinical distinction between sociopath and psychopath and neither one of these is traditionally capable of acting out of empathy

That's not correct, though.

http://www.medicaldaily.com/whats-difference-between-sociopath-and-psychopath-not-much-one-might-kill-you-270694
>What’s The Difference Between A Sociopath And A Psychopath? (Not Much, But One Might Kill You)

http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2015/02/12/differences-between-a-psychopath-vs-sociopath/

also, you're the one who seems to have a very wrong understanding of "what ASPD even means"
https://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000921.htm
some behaviors one with ASPD may (may) display
>Be able to act witty and charming
>Be good at flattery and manipulating other people's emotions
>Break the law repeatedly
>Disregard the safety of self and others
>Have problems with substance abuse
>Lie, steal, and fight often
>Not show guilt or remorse
>Often be angry or arrogant

I'm not saying the anon you replied to is guaranteed ASPD, it's just what he claims, but his description fits the description much better than yours does. And we don't know which of the markers he's shown in his life, or that his psychiatrist tested for/looked for.

If you're interested in these things, I suggest you read about them more, as opposed to "thinking about them a lot". Then again, you seem more interested in trying to yell at people for being wrong on the internet than you do in sociopaths or psychopaths (or potential ones) based on your comment.

I think they are just sociopaths/psychopaths that freak the fuck when something doesn't go their way in life.

>>17843946
You chose some really reliable sources for your difference between the two.
>Psychologists tend to break down the two groups by certain factors
>tend to
meaning there is no accepted criteria

>Researchers tend to believe
>Psychology researchers generally believe
meaning there's no accepted criteria

The page also says
>Psychopathy and sociopathy are different cultural labels applied to the diagnosis of antisocial personality disorder.
>cultural labels
meaning, not clinical, which is exactly what I was talking about.

I didn't say there were no differences, I said there were no scientifically accepted criteria for those differences. I also said that neither one generally acts out of empathy, so why is he saying that sociopaths are capable of empathy when neither of your sources agree with that?

From your source:
>Both tend to be charming, despite being unable to empathize normally with others.

And he referred to Israel Keyes and Bundy as sociopaths instead of psychopaths so how does that distinction match up to the supposed distinctions in those blog posts?

And how do I have a wrong understanding? I only responded to his comments about hurting animals, his sister and himself (which were the only symptoms he mentioned).

I didn't give a description, I said his description was off.

I read about them all the time, and I actually read reliable stuff about this, not "psychcentral" blogs.

How many of these did he mention?
>Be able to act witty and charming
>Be good at flattery and manipulating other people's emotions
>Break the law repeatedly
>Disregard the safety of self and others
>Have problems with substance abuse
>Lie, steal, and fight often
>Not show guilt or remorse
>Often be angry or arrogant

contd.

>>17844057
All he said was that he flew into rages and hurt people when he was prepubescent. I said that unless he had other symptoms I don't understand why he was diagnosed at all, if he was even telling the truth.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3360537/
Antisocial behavior in children can be caused by multiple psychological makeups and some of those don't indicate psychopathy
>Longitudinal data show that children with AB/CU+ present with more severe behavioural profile and more long-term problems than their AB/CU− counterparts. Moreover, in line with the adult psychopathy literature, findings have highlighted the asymmetrical relationship between CU traits and conduct problems in children. Children with high levels of CU traits have been found to be highly likely to display high levels of conduct problems; however, children with high levels of conduct problems have been found to be only moderately likely to display high levels of CU traits

I have to go now so I can only post this one thing, but I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about at least a little bit. Maybe I'll bother to post more but maybe not since you were just trying to insult me.

>>17841105
Richard Ramirez and John Wayne Gacy are two of them

Why yes.
By mental ilnessess that is.

>>17844060
>>17844057
Hey, cool, I appreciate the reasonable reply. So glad I didn't piss you off (too much). I re-read your comment and while you're pretty demeaning of the original anon, calling him a liar pretty much, some of the things you said about ASPD were more in line with things clinically than I first thought. I misread a few of your statements, maybe didn't give them a clear enough reading because of the overall anger in your post. Either that, or I paid too much attention to your comment but not enough of his. Though I still don't see enough evidence to call his claims true or untrue, honestly. his first paragraph does talk about the narcissistic tendencies some killers (psychopaths) have been known to have.


anyway, good talk. and thanks again. I appreciate being corrected in a manner that isn't "LOL UDUM FUK SHILL JET BEAMS CANT MELT STEEL MEMES OMG KYS", I really do!

>>17843870
You're correct, there is no clinical diagnosis between sociopathy and psychopathy - but both are typically considered the two facets of ASPD. You're one or the other, but as far as a psychiatrist is concerned you simply have ASPD. I never said my psychiatrist diagnosed me with psychopathy or sociopathy- merely that I have realized what I am between these two after all I've gone through from therapy to research I've done.

You're totally wrong, as I said previously, even a psychopath can show emotion. It's but only for themselves, however. There's a lot of examples where psychopaths, like Maury Travis, have killed themselves even at an older age and not just during their developmental years. Sociopaths also tend to show a lot less emotion, but often times these types of people become manipulative and will simply mock the social 'norm' of behavior. I'm not sure where it's coming off that I seem to be overemotional but I can assure you I get called a zombie every day at work.

Obsession with serial murder, mass murder, etc is certainly unmoral to the average human. Just by being here on /x/, me and you are not the average humans. You need to do some more research, especially on more unique subjects. I would recommend you the book "The Methods and Madness of Monsters" by Pete Vronsky. Your opinions seem to stem from the idea that all serial murderers are heartless, stone-cold bastards and that is incorrect. You're forgetting the key differences between psychopaths and sociopaths. Even Lawrence Bittaker cried in court (arguably manipulative,) and Ed Kemper cries talking about his mom.

>>17843876
I used to abuse alcohol any time I could steal it throughout high school but I've cut myself down a lot.

>>17841168
Wow you have a lot of wisdom in this kind of things, cheers matey-O, that was good and kind information.

>>17828760
Damn you're actually right, I've had paranoic episodes in the past and I've felt exactly what you described only it didn't involve the government, it involved the mob. I live in a place filled with them and for some reason I was thinking that they were coming from me even though I did nothing to make them mad.

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>>17835191
>not choosing Leslie Van Houten, the superior Manson Family qt

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One site wrote that Ted Bundy was a member of the Bush family.

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>>17819930
>>17845330
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/bundy.htm

>An Incomplete genealogical chart
>By Fritz A. Springmeier

is a lion possessed when it murders a gazelle everyday?
are baboons possessed when they eat the face off of a human?
are humans possessed when they take rifles into another country and wipe the country off the earth and murder women and children ?

its planet earth bro, some people just kill people because they are mentally unstable..not posessed

>>17819930
nah, they probably just hate white people

>>17845344
The lion is possessed by hunger
The baboon is likely possessed by self-defense/instinct
The humans are possessed by nationalism

The lion and baboon simply act off of their natural instinct, more often humans act based on what is found acceptable among their local community

>>17845932
>act based on what is found acceptable among their local community
is that not a natural instinct? being part of the herd is protective.

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Possession no but I would say demonic influences like for example

Richard Ramirez or the Night Stalker who has a pentagram on his hand but honestly I think he just wanted attention is why he killed people.

But you also have Henry Howard Holmes or H.H Holmes who said the devil made him do it he's also known as the first serial killer and also my favorite just because of the way he killed people so I guess you could argue there is paranormal influences.

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>>17845932
The cycle of life.

>>17846452
I think it's more that these types of people who hate society and want to be seen as absolute monsters realize that one of the most exploitable fears in America, from the 1600's to modern day, is the idea that Satan has the ability to take form around us physically. From possession films to Ramirez and Berkowitz, the basis remains the same. It's the very thing that must've made the OP ask his 'question' so redundantly. A serial killer, operating on complete strangers, is far scarier than a home invader suddenly breaking into your house. You know if a serial killer is on the loose and he busts in your house, he's there to kill you. If you're lucky, it will be quick. If not, you'll be enduring either torture or rape; or both for who knows how long. That home invader just wants your money. This guy wants your life. They won't stop until they're physically unable (In most cases.) There's no more perfect human embodiment of a demon than in a sadistic or lustful serial killer. But I don't think it's actually because of demonic influences.

>>17846452
I used to carve demonic stuff into my sin and be edgy too

>>17846566
>I used to carve demonic stuff into my sin

Hardcore.

>>17846564
>a serial killer is on the loose and he busts in your house, he's there to kill you. If you're lucky, it will be quick. If not, you'll be enduring either torture or rape; or both for who knows how long.
that's hot

>>17841105
arthur shawcross

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>>17820717
No, John...

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>>17821218
That's the plot to Silent Hill, you phoney.

>>17842215
>Seeing murder as a morally wrong last resort is natural and instinctive to people.
That's only within a social group - it isn't about murdering another human, otherwise you wouldn't have warrior cultures like Sparta, Pacific Islanders or the Germanics,

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No. They have psychopathy, a clinical condition which basically means they feel very little to no emotions, which prevents sympathy and empathy.

When combined with sadism, you have a chance to get a serial killer, though most psychopaths aren't killers or anything.

>>17850097

Murder and killing aren't the same. Murder is always seen as morally wrong, by definition, whereas killing can be glorified. Read the definition of the words you use.

>>17845330
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4uT6ou_ZGw&feature=youtu.be&t=767

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>>17846452
There are spectrums for this type of behavior. I personally know that possession exists. I was a gambling addict for well over a decade. When the compulsion comes to play, there's just no getting away from it. Possession not only takes away your willpower, it stashes it away in a box until I run out of money, then I'm useless, whatever is possessing me gives me my willpower back along with tremendous guilt and shame, but a week later I'm repeating the same cycle. I'm on the very normal part of this spectrum. I just had compulsions I could not control. Be thankful if you don't have this. Hopefully, you'll never discover that you do.

Serial killers with very little emotion or regard for others, Dahmer for instance is closer to my spectrum. He was more like Ed Gein, didn't care much for the sadism, but loved the necrophilia stuff. Ted Bundy is kind of somewhere in between. You can tell he was at least battling his demons a little bit. Ramirez and Gacy are on the most fucked up far end up the spectrum BTFO, people were nothing but meat puppets to them. You add an uncontrollable compulsion, like my addiction or any addiction, on top an almost total lack of empathy and personally I know at least the compulsion aspect of it is scary as fuck.

>>17819930
their brains are malformed

>>17819930
>ctrl+F, programmed to kill
>no results

for shame /x/

read this before you start forming any ideas about serial killers

Uh the first chapter isent really related, but it paints the broader picture

https://fringechan.org/library/src/1456411474807-1.pdf

>>17846452
Yeah thats what happens when you are raised by a bunch of satanists

>>17850617

how did you get over your possession?

>>17851986

rage against it. drink lots of water. scream.

will it until you die or live with it until you can.

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stop giving away credit . they are board gods . they do it no one makes them no one forceses them . they do it , they want to do it. ffs.

>>17819930

No, serial killers can't BE possessed, as they kill anything within a 10 mile radius. Including spoopy spirits.

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>>17851986
That's even scarier. You never get over it. For all I know, I may relapse a year or five years from now. No matter how much I feel burnt out and feel the last time was the last time, it could happen at any moment I have a bunch of money lying around.

There are a lot of serial killers that have taken extended breaks from killing only to wind up killing in droves again. Maybe they were trying to clean themselves up or just lost the compulsion, but when that desire manifests itself again, it's just time to turn around and kiss your ass goodbye.

When the brain is understood the answer will be revealed. Until then, thread is speculation.

No they're just retards.

>>17851972
Thanks for the .pdf, Anon, I couldn't find any torrents of this available

>>17852178
Here's Dahmer talking about his time off.
>Just wasn't an opportunity to uh... fully express what I wanted t- to do. There was just not the physical opportunity to do it then.
>When I woke up in the morning he uh...had a broken rib here, was heavily bruised. Apparently I had uh.. beaten him to death with my fists.
>That's what started the whole spree all over again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtvmGdzgdLM&feature=youtu.be&t=245

>>17819930
No, they're just human

>>17852178
Here's Ed Kemper talking about the actions and experiences leading up to his murder spree.
>I'm picking up young women and I'm going a little bit farther each time, it's a daring kind of a thing. At first there wasn't a gun: I'm driving along, we'd go to a vulnerable place, where there aren't people watching, where I could act out, and I say "no, I can't." And then a gun is in the car, hidden, and this craving, this awful, raging, eating feeling, inside. I could feel it consuming my insides, this fantastic passion; it was overwhelming me.
>It was like drugs; it was like alcohol. A little isn't enough - at first it is, and as you adjust to that - psychologically and physically - you take more and more and more; it's the same process. And so it finally came down to the thing of "do I dare bring this gun out" already realising if that gun comes out something has to happen. It was going to happen; I didn't see it then but it was going to happen. I was playing a dangerous game with a loaded gun, that got us all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50_Z_i2bTcM&feature=youtu.be&t=233

>>17822572

Best alt-news writer in history. R.I.P.

>>17822572

He went on Caravan to Midnight and did a couple hours exposing all the lies about the Boston Marathon. A few days later he gets sick and is diagnosed with terminal lung cancer.

I miss his work.

>>17821200
JUST

>>17840527
Hey this is really interesting. Does this mean that if I am at the mercy of a psycho/sociopath (even a nonviolent one) I could try to suggest that they empathise with me? I wish they had gone further with the experiment. For example, can they override the prompt to empathise? I assume they probably can but I would want to know why they chose (or didn't choose) to obey the scientists' prompts. Anyway, great article.

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>>17854717
This may actually work. The police say if you're abducted by a maniac to talk to them like a normal person. Abductees have actually survived using this method and have been let go or trusted enough to be let alone in the abductor's house with it being unlocked.

15 yr old Kristen French could have survived Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka's sexual tortures. She was abducted for 3 days. There was a video of him trying to take a dump in her mouth and forcing her to eat her hair but I'm sure the Canadian police destroyed it. I think one of the reasons she was kept alive so long was that she was very polite and cooperated with their kinkiness. Then she started to get an attitude. That's when they killed her.

I was wondering if anyone here has gotten to see Maury Travis' videos or hear the Shirley Ledford tape. I know both are played at private criminology schools around the US.

>>17854761
To be honest I would rather be dead than have survived this. No amount of therapy would make me functional again after being abducted and put through various sexual assaults.

>>17854831
Transcript to Ledford tapes:
http://pastebin.com/vjWCrQM7

You can briefly hear some of her bloodcurdling screams in this archive footy:
https://youtu.be/9fY7hRCQaUw?t=16s
Notice the gathering crowd of people who left early before it was finished playing through.

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>>17854852
I remember her. I think actor Scott Glenn was offered to hear the tape while he was doing research for Silence of the Lambs and couldn't listen to hardly any of it.

Goddamn. Gut-wrenching they did this to a 16-year old kid. Imagine being her dad having to listen to that fucking tape.

What's interesting is that the girl who played Buffalo Bill's abductee actually kind of looks like Ledford.

>>17854852
dunno why, but this transcript reads like a movie dialogue. They're not even swearing. It's all so calm.

>>17819930
no i just think .. they think deep down , they think they are the best people or nicest people with the most love and best ideas. but they did not fit in society well. they turn like perverted/retarded and start killing people cause they want to be boss.

>>17845341
Whats the point of this though? The Bundy family has nothing to do with Ted genetically. Johnny Bundy was his stepdad.

>>17819930
time is on my side, yes it is...

>>17855143
Good thing we social misfits have the internet now.

>>17839329
>He was most likely autistic

Someone with autism wouldn't have been able to get gay men to follow him home I think. In his interview in jail he does sound quite aspie, but it might be because his dad is in the interview room as he discussed his crimes, I would appear aspie if I talked about such things with my mum in the room, too, despite researching serial killers being the only thing I enjoy.

>>17821218
A former friend stabbed his sister in her sleep because of this, as well. He had been up for days on meth combined with god-knows-what, and got convinced his sister was possessed and needed cleansing.

>>17852429
no problems mate, i would say enjoy but you probably wont

>>17855109
That's correct. He was offered to listen by a FBI agent or someshit who he hired to consult on the film. Dude listened for about thirty seconds and was done. I can imagine why, reading and hearing are so different. You can imagine what her screams sounded like, or what kind of evil tone he had in his voice, but it will never do justice to how the tape actually sounds.

>>17855140
By the time he taped this it was all casual to him and Roy. It makes it further disgusting.

>>17855206
For someone who was so smart at other things, to think that his process would work and make sex slave zombies, shows that there was something missing in his brain somewhere. His mother had something wrong with her mentally, and I'd suspect it's nothing more than genetical. Check out the comic book "My Friend Dahmer" for the most accurate representation and closest you will ever feel to this guy. You will have known someone from your high school who acted just like him and it will make you wonder. Showing who he was as a teenager brings a lot more light to who he was a murderous adult.

>>17852605
less than*

>>17819930
No, it stems from past abuse, expirence, actions, and surrounding that effect the their mental state while they're developing

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hey peeps

>>17841852
Not sure what you're implying but 99% of the stuff from the old testament is complete bullshit

The new testament isn't perfect but it's the most tame book out of any of the abrahamic religions, the torah/jewish bible(where Leviticus is from) and the Qur'an are fucked up in comparison

just sayin

>>17858229
>99% of the stuff from the old testament is complete bullshit
that's what he's implying, genius

>>17843174
you really need to get out more, talk to other people and get learned a bit

>>17858471
I'm majoring Criminology and Justice Studies. You need to get out and learn more. So do the tin-foiled fools who think serial killing or mass murder is a government plot.

>>17858481
Why are you obsessed with murderers?

>>17858481
well thats a start. by learned i mean humbled. with the weird stuff you type i sincerely hope you put the knowledge you gain towards something productive.

>>17858490
Most likely from childhood trauma. I can relate to some of them. It's common for people of abusive or troublesome backgrounds to find a comfort in dark places. There's of course a lot of other small reasons that contribute to people being fascinated with murder, rape, necrophilia, etc but they differ from individual to individual depending upon a number of physical or mental factors. I'm not saying all people who are interested in the darker side of society come from such backgrounds, just that most do.

>>17858526
lol are you on quetiapine?

>>17822572
RIP Dave McGowan, reading Programmed to Kill and Strange Scenes Inside the Canyon presently can highly recommend them both. If you buy his books get them from his website not Amazon! The money will go straight to his family.

>>17858527
No. Do you think I am in the mental ward right now?

>>17858523
If you're getting the impression from reading my posts that I still have desires to commit similar acts you're wrong. I am merely fascinated with these subjects, and I have a deviancy for rape porn that is most likely fake anyway. I plan to do what I can with my degrees to find a job where my brain can somehow be useful for good reasons.

>>17858547
yes, your own. was just wondering because of the way you type. (small vocabulary, focusing on singular subjects, referring to self multiple times)
i didnt get that impression. dude quit downing yourself. if rape porns cool and murderers are cool then so be it.

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>>17820717
dumbass

>>17858566
You're an idiot. Obviously I'm going to refer to myself if I'm being asked a question. The singular subject is what we're discussing this very moment. If I have a small vocabulary, yours is miniscule. You know how I concluded that? The same way you did: through reading a couple of sentences. Back to /b/ with you.

>>17858526
I just wanted to know about you, specifically.

And there are plenty of abused people who don't become murderers. Some of them "overcome" their trauma go on to do "positive" things. Do you relate to them too?

I find it interesting that you said this is from childhood trauma. I never really talk to people who are interested in these things about their personal lives but I experienced trauma and I am pretty interested in subjects like this myself.

>>17858612
The person you are now is a reflection of the way you were raised, where you were raised, and who raised you. I hate my Dad, but I know I'm just like him at the end of the day. Of course there's plenty of people who had rough childhoods that end up fine, I would argue that I ended up fine, but it's extremely common for children who were abused to abuse their own children. I still have trouble raising a dog without letting myself get physical when it pisses me off, even cats, and for that reason I know I cannot trust myself with ever raising a child. Not that I'd want another of me, anyway.

>>17819930
No, Getting abused through your childhood will fuck you up. Most of the stuff on here is bullshit, humans are the scariest things out there.

>>17820507
>Don't want to have to go on TV in the future and explain why my kid grew up to eat a bunch of homo's.

kek

>>17822572
this book fucked my brain. would highly recommend to anyone interested in the reality underlying our world. spooky shit.

>>17820428
Get your head out of your ass.

>>17841105
Not going to list them now but at least 10 serial killers that ive read about in the past had serious head injury earlier in their lives.

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>>17860835
>Not going to list them now but at least 10

They aren't possessed people do evil shit they are usually just unstable and intelligent enough not to get caught for a while

>>17819930

No, most are just intensely selfish and lack any means of perspective as it relates to society.

Seeing themselves above, or beyond society.

There are many different reasons they commit these acts, though.

A better question would be
are seriousl killers not possessed?
how can you be so stressed
that you take the time to plot and seriously invest
stripping another soul from this world as if it were less
maybe a product of the sick enviroment
buy cheat lie consume not giive a fuck
do whatever you have to do to make a buck
and if you want a position of power
just choose your talking points from a template
and it wont matter if the people hate

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>>17824978

Possible, my husband was.

His metabolism is three times the rate of the average human.

>>17861477
>seriousl killers

>>17820717
>most of the time
ftfy

>>17819930
Op is a faggot

>>17861481
Mine is faster.
Suck a diq

>>17861477
terrible, terrible post. congratulations.