Official Time Travel Thread

>>17565593

I think the next breakthrough will be manipulation of the higg's field to create "negative mass" objects that we can speed beyond light speed making it's time so dilated you could stop it anytime in the future and it would be like suspended animation relatively speaking.

Not humans for a long time but particles are on the horizon.

>>17565593
In one movie was an interesting idea about an elixir of time travel in unite with a magic spell as a trigger.

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http://www.physics.org/article-questions.asp?id=131

http://www.theweek.co.uk/health-science/59106/time-travel-four-ways-in-which-it-could-be-possible

A few articles for your consideration. Nasa also has a page on the subject but since the closest thing we prolly got to real time travel stems from ayylien research it's doubtful anything in their studies is anything more than misdirection. I'll link it next post nonetheless.

>>17565593
Time travel can only happen if you place your point of view above the the third dimension. We already have the capacity to travel to the end of timelines that do not exist yet, we are just getting a tune up right now.

I think they already have it. Apparently the POTAS are informed their whole lives that they will be president. They time travel back and tell them when they are young. So I've heard on the internet

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http://spaceplace.nasa.gov/review/dr-marc-space/time-travel.html

This is going out on a limb here but is there any info out there regarding the throat chakra and its supposed ability to govern our past, present, and future?

Enlightened individuals often claim all things are relative. This must include time, which I'm sure someone with the insight to see all three dimensions as once could operate if they weren't so beyond this realm of existence to care.

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Ever get the feeling there's something "they" don't want you to know? I've got a theory that celebrities involved in the occult or with deep ties with government officials oftentimes make deals to secure their wealth in the future by returning to the past in order to further the interests of both parties.

>>17565614
What is a higgs field and how does it work? Red pill me.

>>17565742

It is a field that permeates the whole universe like a 3D mesh which when particles interact with it they are given mass. Larger the particle; greater interaction results in larger mass.

If you could turn it off / interfere / block it in a localized area you would have massless particles.

>>17565793
Does each individual have their own field? Like everything supposedly has an aura? Or is it more akin to "links" in the sense we are all connected to/through it

>>17565945

imagine a room with ping pong balls in a 3D grid throughout the room; say an inch apart.

you throw a marble through the room; it hits a few balls on it's way.

now you throw a basket ball which hits many more.

each interaction with the ping pong balls adds mass to the object so larger particles fain more mass through increased interaction with the field.

remove the ping pong balls and no interactions would leave particles mass less.

If time travel were ever to exist it isn't going to be very exciting.

Events will either play out the same way regardless of meddling within the timeline or the time travel itself will create a new timeline.
We, in our current timeline, would remain unaffected either way.

>>17565740
>different nose
>different space between eyes
>different jaw structure and mouth

your point? there are people that are alive now that look more alike then these two girls

i.e. katy perry/zooey deschanel/emily blunt

>>17566188
interesting but say someone went back in time and prevented your fathers birth

you are saying you would keep living and it would just spawn an alternate timeline without you? and so you would be left unaffected?

why would it not alter our current time line

>>17566288
I'm a sucker for Novikov's Self-Consistency Principle, and Closed-Timelike-Curve experiments (that are being done this year).

Let's say that, in terms of phase (all) time, all things occur, and all things have a cause. Let's say that you exist, and your father was born. Now you want to go back in time and prevent that. What might end up happening, is that you fail to time travel altogether. Or, you manage to go back, but something horrible happens and you are either turned into a cancerous lump of flesh or something equally awful. Or, it just so happens that your father wasn't your real father. Or, you had a change of heart. Maybe you had a beer with your Grandfather and forgot why you were there. Whatever the case... it will seem like you either failed, or caused your father to be born.

That's due to Novikov's little SC principle. If you use the DeLorean from 8:53 to destroy the one at 8:52, there will be no DeLorean in 8:53 to go back to 8:52, and so begins the paradox- unless you simply go back because you never did kill the 8:52 DeLorean, or because it was destroyed and you never go to 8:52 anyways.

Even shorter: no Grandfather Paradox can exist. Per the SCP, in the same way that you can't seem to fly just by jumping, or phase through solid objects within a "year" than "500,000 years", you can't violate causality. The laws of physics, for the most part, are the same and nothing can change- at least with regards to the SCP.

>So here is what would happen in our current timeline
You materialize in the past, cause your father to be born/fail to stop his birth, de-materialize, your father grows up, impregnates a woman, you are born, you grow up, you build a machine and vanish inside of it for a split second, and then you re-appear and discover that only your personal experience has changed. The one who vanished in the past, might not even really be -you-. Just, some matter and information formatted to be like you before you vaporized yourself.

>>17566659
Even if there are alternate sets of states/realities/timelines, it's tantamount to really never being able to leave -your- timeline as you perceive it. Sure, you went in a flash of light, and in another reality you appeared from a flash of light. But, over here, you just straight up vaporized. On the flip side, you just materialized. According to the phase time of the alternate realities/s... your "coming" was a set event, predetermined... fixed... unalterable... and seemingly prompted by nothing at all.

Or, at least, that's one way of looking at it all. Who knows, maybe time travel is just like The Butterfly Effect/Back To The Future/etc, where you have a limited amount of time until "time catches up" and whatnot.

>>17565593
I hope time travel will NEVER be possible.

it will only be used for bad purposes

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>>17565593
>be on /x/
>mention /pol/
>get Trump post

Trump will make /x/ great again!

Also if anyone has access to time travel please go back and tell Trump to not mention wanting to bang Ivanka on NATIONAL TELEVISION FUUUUUUUCK

wether you think time travel exists or time travel does not exist, you are correct.

>>17565593
Well scientist recently proved that there are waves in time, so really its all about finding out how to manipulate them, so I guess there is indeed a probability of time travel

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>>17567045
Waves in time? Mind linking the source?

I've got a nagging suspicion time travel is more of an individual energy thing as opposed to technology and science.

>>17565614
>be manipulation of the higgs field to create "negative mass"

Not bad, anon. Not bad at all.

>>17567176
Right? That shit got me thinking.. astral bodies and spiritual energy is massless right?

Does that count as negative mass?

If a door was open and then I open it later, is that time travel? It's in the previous state as earlier. What about if I remember something, and for all intent and purpose, the resultant outcome was the same, but everyone's memory of the event is the same as mine. Would that be time travel evidence? Consider that there would be no recording to lock the event in place.

If you go to the past you'll only create a parallel universe, nothing will change in ours.

>>17568526
>astral bodies and spiritual energy is massless right?

I'm not sure why you think either of these are real. Astral projection is just dreaming imo, and spiritual energy.. define "spiritual".

Back to the original point.. avoiding the higgs field would make you mass-less, meaning you cease to exist as an object. In other words you die.

>>17567176

just a random idea that has been floating around my head since the higgs boson was confirmed. Glad to get others gears turning with the idea.

>>17568633
>avoiding the higgs field would make you mass-less, meaning you cease to exist as an object. In other words you die.

nobody knows what would happen. Not having mass could cause any number of strange outcomes (many ending in death) but who knows? Mass may not affect us as much as we believe (except when it comes to interacting with anything).

>>17568587
... what?

So, a door is left open at 1:00, but you open the door while it's open at 1:01? What? I mean... are you breaking the door when you try to open it while it's already open?
>the resultant outcome is the same, but all observers remember otherwise
I'm not sure if that would count as evidence for any non-natural form of temporal displacement or time travel. Everyone can call "Purple" "Blue", but it's still energy that's expressed with a wavelength of around 450 nanometers. If everyone remembers 9/11, but the towers are still standing and the dead aren't dead for some reason, there can only be three conclusions, and only one of them permits someone or something to move back behind it's own light cone and completely, absolutely violate physics with unknown consequences. Whoever or whatever it was, it would have to be a true un-caused causer. If it is not this final conclusion, then either the universe was predestined to have matter assemble itself in such a form that 9/11 did not occur and all observers on Earth were altered such that they were identical to a world of people who remember 9/11, or there is a bootstrap paradox (and if it is a person, they must have memories of a world where 9/11 did happen, or else they literally could not be there to prevent what they supposedly did).
>no recording to lock the event in place
What?

You know, a lot of people make rp posts on /x/ about being from the future, or that aliens are us from the future/another dimension.. and those threads get stupid amounts of responses cause the chumps shitposting in em are holding on to the sliver of hope the OP is forreal or the info on Greys is legit..

But none of you niggas want to contribute to a legit discussion about figuring out the intricacies of this time travel shit and how it would, wouldn't, or couldn't work.

I'm getting the feeling the same chumps who lurk "I'm from the future" threads are the same ones creating tulpas or seeking succubi summoning rituals.

Y'all just want shit handed to you.

>>17572330
You be shitposting real hard, yo.

>>17566188
>>17566659
>>17566663
>>17568630

Intricacies touched briefly by a few anons. Not all theoretical methods of time travel, or models of the universe, touched completely. Accompanied by varying levels of detail on how it would, would not, or could not work.

>>17565630
Is that why Trump campaigns every time? They told him when he was a kid but he forgot to write down what year.

>>17565593
>/pol/ fugg off, nobody cares whether your left or right wing. Shit communities like your containment board are likely why we can't have nice things.
Fuck you faggot, MAGA TRUMP 2016

On topic, I think we can only travel forwards in time (by speeding/slowing time) not backwards.

>>17566188
I thought you were going for "the government/organization/whatever is going to strictly regulate time travel" which is true and saddening. Regular folks like us will never ever time travel.

>>17566659
That's a lot of text just to say that the past already takes into account the people who time travelled back.

>>17572670
Well, you have to be thorough here. Not a penny out of curve.

>>17572657
Why you gotta be an autist m8. If the multiverse theory is true, we could travel to a younger universe, going back in time.

>>17572700
Well yes, but I was more talking about within this universe. My theory would still work even if multiverse isn't real.

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>>17565945
Everything with mass warps space-time. When you walk your mass actually pulls like
>pic related
Things that are moving fast enough or are being acted on by a stronger force(say Earth's gravity) and are far enough away will not fall on you. The more mass you have, the stronger you warp space-time like a water drain. Theoretically, if you had no mass, you could pass through the fabric of space-time. The opposite of a black hole which amasses so much mass the it creates a deep drain in this fabric. Then again, I'm just an /x/phile who'd also like to know more.

>>17565614
One thing though, if you go near the speed of light, time slows down. If you go at the speed of light, time stops for you completely, enabling quick forward time travel. If you were to go faster, that is unknown.

I know the secret to time travel.
Quads then I'll reveal it.

>>17565593
Time travel already exists. Everyone is a time traveller. We travel forwards through time at the rate of 1 sec per sec

>>17568630
>>17566663
What if all possible parallels already exist and instead of >>17566659
Self Consistence that prevents you from killing you're grandfather, it's more like a self fulfilling prophecy. You "time travel" to a universe where you were meant to show up and kill your grandfather, then you travel forward to a time where you never exist until you show up from another universe. Consequently, you are written off in your original universe as disappeared during your first time travel test, or even more curious, Self Consistence drops in and "another" you returns saying you opted not to change anything/no travel occurred, but you disappeared for a fraction of a second. This would depend on which variant you leave from, though.
Just speculation though, I'm probably wrong.

This is to everyone just my 2 cents

Time is relative
According to mass and speed
Study "relativity" it's tough to absorb tho
Also
backwards time travel is literally impossible because of physics and technology limitations

Perhaps their are ways to travel vast distances across space-time

This would be the most similar thing to achievable "time travel"

Also possibly "riding gravitational waves" could propel an object near light speed

>>17572810
>Consequently, you are written off in your original universe as disappeared during your first time travel test
>or
>"another" you returns saying you opted not to change anything/no travel occurred, but you disappeared for a fraction of a second
Well, that's essentially what I was describing.

>>17572810
This is me.
>>17566663
>>17568630
>>17566663
>>17566659
Also, you would never know, until it occurred to check, if you're in the same universe as you started when you return. That being said it, you will travel forward in the universe you caused because all you'll have to do is either go near a black hole or travel really fast to go forward. Unless you use the same means to go forward and back, then you would change nothing because you would end back in your original variant.

>>17572830
I meant like my other post:
>>17572836

Where your point of view is from the you that returns to a different universe. To the you at that point, you would have successfully changed the past.

>>17568633
Not neccesarily. Photons have no interaction with the higgs-field, yet still exist. You'd probably die because your atoms wouldn't attract each other anymore, but your particles would remain in existance.

>>17572330
See
>>17566659
>>17566663
>>17572810
>>17572830
>>17572836

>>17572840
Yes, we're... saying the same thing. There are two entities in your model, right?
> it's tantamount to really never being able to leave -your- timeline as you perceive it
>Unless you use the same means to go forward and back, then you would change nothing because you would end back in your original variant
>Where your point of view is from the you that returns to a different universe

>implying that there is a state or reality such that you return to your own universe but also one where you do not and are satisfied with the apparent state of things

>>17572836
So following that, and the above, would it not be pointless (or impossible) to check with absolute certainty that you would be in the same universe? Or rather, that your self is that which "originated" in the then-contemporary universe? There would, at least from your general perspective, be at least two possible consequences of your actions (if not 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000...).

>>17572816
Yes, but when you add infinites like the black hole>>17572716
or Zeros like the no mass>>17565614, or radiation feedbacks
to equations, reality begins to break down and rules of physics become a runaway reaction trying to right itself. This is where a solution to an impossible problem might be.

It is said that the "gods" or whatever achieved interdimensional travel in a vehicle called a merkaba. I am going to assume that such a vehicle would be capable of time travel as well.

A proper merkaba should spin both ways at once, with the bottom tetrahedron spinning one way and the top in the opposite direction. The only way I could see this happening in a solid object is if the material the merkaba was made out of displayed both the qualities of a liquid and a solid, and was magnetic.

Anyone see what I'm getting get at yet? Perhaps the gist of this video will help: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mP92bouRnWI

So, if you want to build such a device, it would have to be both liquid, solid and able to be manipulated magnetically. Mercury, although not very magnetic at room temperature, not only becomes magnetic at extremely low temperatures, but becomes a superconductor as well. If you could keep certain parts cool and others not so much, I theorize you could make a working mercury merkaba. Using rings of external magnets, or at least hollow rings with magnets moving inside of them.

>>17572892

Now if you were a world government and you wanted to make a huge one of these, you'd need a large, cold mass of land where no one else was aloud to go. Oh, wait! We already have one of those. It's called fucking Antarctica, and nobody is aloud to go there.

I believe there is the possibility that we are walking, living and breathing on the outer shell of a working interdimensional time travel device, who's access points are one or both of the poles and that the government may be trying to study and mimic the device in Antarctica.

I believe that there is the possibility that every planet is a merkaba. I think that the cymatic vibrations of a merkaba's spinning points come out in the shape of a hexagon as seen on at least one pole each on both Saturn and Neptune, although I am not sure how this is possible.

Oh, and when the flat earthers film close ups of the stars to disprove them, all I see are merkaba in gyroscopes.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hdNFo5eWf9g

Did you know all references to time travel in media are banned in China? I guess they don't even want people thinking about building a time machine and making the country not communist.

>>17572905
I think not being aloud to see Back to the Future is a gross violation of basic human rights.

>>17572896
Wait, slow down. Why use a naturally frigid environment that can immediately be destabilized... instead of using room-temperature superconductors? Why not create near-absolute zero (far colder than the temperatures in the polar climates) in a lab environment using the same phenomenon that causes ice crystals to nucleate in the upper atmosphere?

We have these things. Relying on the polar climates, mercury, and electromagnetic phenomena alone is like building a 6-cylinder combustion engine using cheap cast-iron and little lubrication. Also, people die if they are exposed to those temperatures, without proper equipment, or transportation. You don't want to send several hundred people into a frozen wasteland, where they can be blinded by all of the combined refracted light being beamed down on them from the glorious Sun, only to be tossed out at some other vector in spacetime where it is even colder and more harsh.

All /pol/ shitposting aside, let's say that 2-way time travel is possible. If you go back in time to stop/help Hitler, then go foreward, would there be "timeline shenanigans where I, who didn't time travel, still live in the original tineline, but you in the new modified one? Would it stop everyone's existance in the "present" when you change the past?

>>17572768
The rate is actually of 0.016666667 minutes per second. But other than that you're right.

>>17572955
Well they probably are trying to make smaller ones elsewhere, but where else would you find a large enough space to build an absolutely huge one far enough away from civilization not to destroy anything if something went wrong? It would also be convenient to have the original within studying distance as I don't believe cell phones work in the Antarctic and transfer of information from such a location may be cumbersome. This shit wouldn't be built outdoors because different parts would have to be different temperatures, but it would be convenient to cool down a huge building if the surrounding weather was already well below freezing.

Yes, it would be pointless. But on the upside, if you regret your decision, you need simply to travel to a universe where nothing was changed and your meant to show up.
>>17572863
>implying that there is a state or reality such that you return to your own universe but also one where you do not and are satisfied with the apparent state of things

Yes, I'm not like a physics major or anything, but if there were multiple universes, with Self Consistence you could not cause a grandfather paradox across one, but you could cause one across a few without ceasing to exist, if you are meant to make the change.

>>17572992
This is me, you're*

>>17572949
Kek

>>17572992
Well, I did say that you couldn't create a true "Grandfather Paradox" under the SCP, anyways, within a "local segment" of spacetime... so, yes, you're right.

But... you also couldn't cause a true "Grandfather Paradox", anyways. At least, according to what we've been saying... if you stay true to the definition, it means that you are the exactly similar counterpart to wherever you end up, unless you end up exactly where you were before, in which then you -are- the counterpart for which nothing has changed (and your grandfather lives).

The only way for the latter to be pertinent to phase time/s, would be to better identify it as a "bootstrap" phenomenon, because the definition of what is now called a "Grandfather Paradox" must only take place in one universe/one reality/a specific set of states. Anything that both causes itself, and is caused by itself, identical or exactly similar to it's iterative counterparts, has become a "bootstrap". The very same.

Even then, in the same way that a "Grandfather Paradox" cannot exist if all possible states are held in equal weight (all perspectives are considered and supposedly entangled even by qubits)... having events in different realities correlate with one another meta-physically, potentially "forever", would become one very large "bootstrap" sequence.

You won't cease to exist under the Self-Consistency principle, because you never were going to cease to exist if you are there to observe the changes. You... will have gone to make/participate in the change in two places as the same entity (in virtue of Identity Theory), twice over with respect to each one's frame of reference. Then, you will be one entity, supposing you stay in "one place".

>>17570663
what part you don't understand let me explain
>open door on 1:00 pm
>on 1:01 pm try to open door again but hand stuck in door hook hand hook

Time is a Human construct
Time in actually reality doesn't exist

>>17573058
Then your lose your hook hand in the door, because you *already opened the door and it is currently in a state of "open"*, and the universe is punishing you for trying to break the door off of it's hinges.

>>17573066
It may not exist, but because we are still human, we still have to operate as if it does. Time being an illusion does not mean that you will, with certainty, stop hallucinating without being incredibly confused and lost.

>>17573072
Not True.One can just simply be
You might call them ignorant or a simpleton
But We humans bring things to our level to understand them then forget we bought them down to our level and get confused when the math doesn't make sense

>>17573047
Oh, I see. It would really suck though, to be you.x and be meant to arrive in the past as a cancerous mass. Still, better to be alive somewhere I guess.
>>17573066
Of course it is, i haven't heard of anything that moves faster than light yet, so it's our reality until then.

>>17568587
Do you mean an altered timeline that did not alter memories of the event, or memories of an altered timeline?

>>17573093
What?
It takes a Mind to Perceive time.
It doesn't take a Mind to Perceive a rock with or without a Mind the rock is still there,Time however is not.

>>17570663
Hey, do you think he meant this?↓
>>17573102

>>17573105
How do we perceive time? On a watch, an oscillator of sorts. What do we reference time with?

>>17573112
This is me
>>17573105
If all living things in the world were dead, would time still pass?

>>17573090
>ignorant or a simpleton
No, I would call them a "Cosmic Observer", and perhaps even that is a misnomer. But, that would suggest hat they cannot "be" just human, or are not even human at all. Or singular. Or anything you are capable of considering.

We can't be having this conversation if there is no causality, no abstract notions. It wouldn't exist. If that is the case, how can I point to a "Cosmic Observer"? How can I meaningfully establish the extant nature of all things, if meaning is but a human construct that can only occur between states- inside of the patterns depicted by human minds?

>>17573105
>the rock is still there
Well... that's a human-level thing to think, though. It could be that without a mind, the rock exists as everything at once. Or, perhaps the rock doesn't exist, because the rock is part of a metaphysical object that, at one "point", was a rock, and only calling it a rock would be doing it injustice.

>>17573107
If this is what they meant, then it would add up to >>17570663 again... it could be a sufficient and probable cause for an altered timeline that did not alter -any- observer's perspectives (to their knowledge), but it may not necessitate that the memories of an altered timeline were, or are caused by an altered timeline.

Long story short, then yes, it's possible everyone could remember Bill Clinton having been a famous Saxophonist instead (even though he was the apparently president for the duration of that time). Why, is another difficult story that depends on what kind of model/s you use.

>>17573112
>What do we reference time with?
The Invention of Modern time all started with watching the sun and moon ...Sundials

>>17573130
So, primitive time would then be the moment that you could feel your heart beating in your chest, as you stalked the large predator.

Or, being able to remember where the hunting grounds were. Or, where you buried your wife and unborn child after they were sacrificed.

>>17573128
>Well... that's a human-level thing to think, though. It could be that without a mind, the rock exists as everything at once. Or, perhaps the rock doesn't exist, because the rock is part of a metaphysical object that, at one "point", was a rock, and only calling it a rock would be doing it injustice.
>>No one can comprehend what actually reality is

>>17573138
Therefore, what is the point of calling, or discerning, that anything is an illusion?

What is the point of trying to reduce epistemic problems, if no one can actually realize absolute truths?

That's... my point entirely.

>>17573136

>Or, being able to remember where the hunting grounds were. Or, where you buried your wife and unborn child after they were sacrificed.
This is just having a memory. locations have no relevancy to time

>>17573143
Its mine too.
We are both trying to prove the same point to each other.
That Smarts

>>17573156
Ack.

>>17573151
I'd look at "time" as the displacement of something by a certain velocity to another location or vector... allegedly. But, here's what I can't seem to accept...

Let's say that the sun is on the horizon in the relative east. The shadow on your sundial forms a certain shadow, which you associate with the morning.

The shadow grows shorter as the sun rises into the sky. You associate that with a change in states. Now, it may be noon.

The sun is setting in the relative west. The shadow is now on the opposite side of the sundial and grows longer and longer.

What I can conclude, is that it looks like both the sun, the Earth, and the shadow, were all changing locations- due to the illusion of the sun moving in the sky, among other things. But, on the sole basis that the sun was indeed moving... how can you not suggest that the movement of the shadow implies, and is relevant to, time? Is memory not the recollection of events in sequence? If not... why would you need memory? Would it not all be false?

How else are you discerning that the morning is over, or that it is starting, or that it is noon? You've created a system to establish the phenomena buy creating the sundial, haven't you?

>>17573156
>>17573175
So you guys are saying our mind processes things at a certain speed, which can be changed via adrenaline or otherwise, And that is time?
What I'm saying is: If the earth revolves around the sun once, it will not be the same as revolving around indefinitely. Because eventually something will change, and that change is what I think time is, an oscillation of a reaction trying to reach equilibrium. Nothing to do with the mind, unless you want to observe a certain reaction.

>>17573208
I guess that would be a valid conclusion to make, at least.

>>17572892
>>17572896
Somebody needs to make one of these in their basement.