/OMG/ Occultism and Magic General

from the last thread

>>17507737
>"possession" you needn't worry. credible cases of unintended possession in the past 100 years = 0

You speak like there are credible cases of Evocations/Invocations/etc beyond normal suggestion.

Also, does the occult have any explanation for common poltergeists? (I'm not a pro, I just like to read this threads)

This is a stupid question

but is the Lesser key "evil"?

or is it in the same sort of vein as the Greater key?

>>17509678
Source for the artist of that pic?

>>17509687
possesion work has been an active tradition in occultism since before the 6th century in various traditions. there are many records and accounts of it

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>>17509710
Ye but evil is just the gruff mysterious teacher who sometimes smacks your butt.

There is no good and evil, only god. To say anything else is the original sin.

>>17509687
>You speak like there are credible cases of Evocations/Invocations/etc beyond normal suggestion.

Seem to be.

>>17509776
fuck off with your overdone pixel sorting bullshit

>>17509678
Magic isn't real.

>>17509789
Has anyone actually told accurately verifiable information they had no prior knowledge of while "possessed"?

The answer is no, so your entire "tradition" is nothing more than mental illness.

>>17510061
>The answer is no,

kek

>>17509710
you can spend a lot of time arguing about what is evil and what isn't. You could spend all day thinking about it and go to bed. wake up. and still have things to ponder over.


but, in short, probably not as long as your intention isn't evil. I mean, those demons built the temple. That Temple wasn't evil.

>>17510089
>implying demons are real

>>17509776
Hawty>>17510089
>>17510109

>>17509802
thats why its a stupid question

.>>17510089
but they are "demons" as in beings cappable of assaulting humans.

Weird question but : can anyone seriously try to explain why more women than men are into the occult in general? (at least from what I've seen in media in general and on YT and other Internets)

>>17510146
Do you honestly not know?

>>17510161
You're probably telling me it's because women attract more viewers and stuff?
Yes. But like, in general, in most occult stuff, I'm under the impression that there's more women (but maybe I'm wrong), and there was even before Internet was born (and in general when you see any practicioner of tarot, witchcraft, etc in your head, most people see a female as a stereotype).
So there was no popularity stuff in it for them.
But maybe you were talking about another reason?

>>17510200
I'm also wondering with this question if women have a different kind of (stronger?) connection with magic/spirituality maybe.
Sorry for the stupid questions.

PS : I'm not a grill
PS 2 : English is not my first language.

>>17510146
the short answer is because they can create life

>>>/his/888317

>>17510200
No, it's because depending on what side of the spectrum they are on, they are either manipulative or gullible, and don't have any real assets to offer, ridiculously so in old age.

>>17509678
Threadly reminder that mesmerism is just emotion.

I was a dumb and didn't download the book at the time of the last thread.

I forget which trip/namefag helped me but I asked a question regarding which Beginner book was the most "academic" and someone recommended me an encyclopedia-esque book by Manly P. Hall. Was it the Lectures of Ancient Philosophy, or something else?

>>17510696
encyclopedia-esque im not so sure

but his book secret teachings of all ages is pretty fuckin great

>>17510785
I think that was it. Thanks anon!

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>>17509687
>just because I can call magic hypnotism means magic doesn't real

This argument again.

>>17511301
>tfw you will never have a derp-eyed elephant tell you who you are
Why live.

>>17511301
Hypnotism isn't magic, and magic by necessity cannot be hypnotism. I just treat "magic" as a catch-all word for "supernatural or paranormal".

>>17510636
You only discovered what mesmerism was last thread, don't try and speak like you know anything. Role playing scum.

>>17511301 but hypnotism cannot cause effects on the environment (telekinesis, telepathy, aquiring information from beyond, etc). You need something beyond that to turn it into magic (law of attraction, for example)

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>>17511480

>>17509678
I´ve seen the book of Living Thelema by Shoemaker in platforms like Scribd, but only for paying access. It´s not in the Mega, or it is?

>>17509678
Ah, I see you got kicked out from /his/ again.

The problem is:
a, While you're armchair magicians (so you read a lot), /his/ doesn't really care about the occult.

b, You ARE armchair magicians, and /x/ doesn't like serious books, only childish greentext stories about the bigfoot, dogman, mothman, manman and black eyed kids.
So until you can't prove that you actually PRACTICE magic (and no, not psychological or spiritual nonsense - I mean actual proofs), /x/ won't care, too.

So have fun with your boring threads!

You know what? Here's a tip: try not to be so "elite".
The average /x/ poster wants to experience the paranormal, not just talking about it.
While "high magick" might be an interesting topic, /x/ is not that "sophisticated".

You're welcome.

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>>17511533
inb4 illiterate energy worker.
w8 2 l8

>>17511533
It doesn't matter if they only read about magic, or practice magic.

Neither has shown even the slightest bit of proof that magic is real.

(And nobody actually reads shit from the mega either)

>>17511496
>create temp email
>associate it to PayPal
>subscribe to Scribd trial with this temp email
>rinse and repeat
>infinite free access
This is not rocket surgery.

>>17511568
>>17511496
>being poor
wew wizards

>>17511564
>Neither has shown even the slightest bit of proof that magic is real.
Actually, yes, we have, virtually most of the time. The problem is, there is no proof that would be acceptable beyond being anecdotal evidence. Bem came closest with his "sense of being watched" studies.

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>>17511581
Sure, buddy. ;)

>>17511581
What does that have to do with occultism?

>>17511588
You're very welcome to provide links or references to studies which actually prove any "paranormal" or "supernatural" phenomena, you know.

So if you have any, please, by all means, do share.

>>17511594
Everything, since occultism is predicated on the existence of supernatural entities and events.

>>17511595
>>17511597

Show us some magic, then.

For example:
What is my favourite colour?
What is my favourite film?

>>17511597
No.
>Bem came closest with his "sense of being watched" studies.
What occult method did the participants use to sense they were being watched? Did they summon something to tell them? Did they draw tarot cards or cast tunes? Had they undergone any occult training regimen?

>>17511614
>The problem is, there is no proof that would be acceptable beyond being anecdotal evidence. Bem came closest with his "sense of being watched" studies.


Reading comprehension, retard.

http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/04/28/the-control-group-is-out-of-control/

Here you go for the reasons why Bem's study is controversial.

>>17511617
>No.

occult
ɒˈkʌlt,ˈɒkʌlt/Submit
noun
1.
mystical, supernatural, or magical powers, practices, or phenomena.
"a secret society to study alchemy and the occult"
synonyms: the supernatural, the paranormal, supernaturalism, magic, black magic, witchcraft, sorcery, necromancy, wizardry, the black arts, Kabbalah, cabbalism, occultism, diabolism, devil worship, devilry, voodoo, hoodoo, white magic, witchery, witching, orenda, mysticism; More
adjective
1.
involving or relating to mystical, supernatural, or magical powers, practices, or phenomena.
"an occult ceremony"
synonyms: supernatural, magic, magical, mystical, mystic, paranormal, psychic, necromantic, preternatural, transcendental;

Use a dictionary sometime, eh?

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>>17511618
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>>17511629

>>17511647
Nah.

Anyway, you should be thankful: now there is activity in this thread!

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>>17511578
Yes, I'm poor Third World scum, but every penny saved can go into books to scan. Somebody must do it first so that you can get them.

>>17511659
good man. not sure if you saw last thread but another library with a lot of greer's stuff was found.
http://abelhas.pt/Espirito_inquieto

>>17511651
And still no proof of anything paranormal. It's as if you guys just can't accept that magic isn't a thing.

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>>17511667
miracles don't follow the natural order, kind of the whole point of them. If they did they wouldn't be magic. No?

>>17511581
Wait, are we talking about Daryl Bem?

That guy is as much of a con artist as anyone peddling "magical" crap. Replications of his experiments continuously fail.

In at least one case, while acting as referee to a journal, he came across a failed replication of his "detecting future porn" experiment and wrote a baselessly negative review to keep it from being published.

If that's seriously "the closest anyone's come to proving that magical powers exist, that don't even have anything to do with whatever you would find in occult bookstores", that's incredibly pathetic.

>>17511659

>Yes, I'm poor Third World scum,
>but every penny saved
>can go into books to scan.

Like pottery.

>>17511675
We have entirely no evidence that they happen or exist in the first place.

I.e. baseless belief.

>>17511678
That's precisely why I stand hard against magical thinking, superstition, opting instead for approaching occultism from the anthropological/ psychological perspective.

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>>17511683
Noooooo, you have no evidence, there is a difference

>>17511614
Blue and braveheart

>>17511533
Nope, thread's still up, and I'm not banned.

>>17511683

So then why "practice" 99.9% of anything in the library?

>>17511798
There's no reason to. Why, are you looking for reasons to do that?

>>17511803

I'm actually curious if you're lying to me, or yourself.

>>17511831
That depends entirely on what you think we're talking about.
As I already said, my interest in this is from the anthropology/ psychology angle.

>>17511856

Until the skeptics leave, and then it's back to "let me tell you about my holy guardian angel and secret chiefs".

>>17511873
Well, friend, you're welcome to stick around and see for yourself.

>>17511878

Tell us more about how "powerful" those ""enochian"" """""entities""""" are!

>>17511888
About as powerful as any religious belief, as they naturally bypass the critical faculty of the conscious mind, which can manifest in very interesting ways. Stephen Parkhill has a most interesting work in those things, if you care to read.

>>17511891

Is this that retarded chaos magic "unconscious processes are superpowers" things?

>>17511798

Lots of reasoms. The best might be to broaden the horizons of the mind and to deepen control of the mind.

It's also highly.entertaining.

>>17511925
No, it's literally applied neuropsych. Are you familiar with the works of Roy Hunter on the way parts of the mind dissociate, and how that can be used as a therapeutic process? I highly recommend considering that from the perspective of entities being dissociated parts of ones own mind.

>>17511891
>About as powerful as any religious belIef

Never had a religious belief do anything of the sort.

>>17511930
>No, it's literally applied neuropsych

Unlikely, unless neuopsych is transpersonal.

IJS, less trolling and more bare info in the /his/ thread. Less traffic in general, but still.

>>17510223

Provided I keep getting not-banned, I may try to migrate threads to that board again.

>>17511933
So you're saying religious beliefs do not affect mental processes, and superstition doesn't make one more susceptible to suggestion and magical thinking?

Bro, bro.

http://homepage.univie.ac.at/andreas.hergovich/php/Field_dependence.pdf

>>17511937
Different layers of abstraction. And yes, it most definitely is transpersonal, given that everything does, after all, get processed on the neural level as well.

>>17511930
>I highly recommend considering that from the perspective of entities being dissociated parts of ones own mind.

Good thing I didn't read tens of thousands of books on occult theory just to learn that it's literally just talking to yourself.

>>17511953
>missing the point so much

>>17511953
In a postindustrial society, there is no such thing as wasted time.

>>17511955

>missing the point so much

Occultism has contributed exactly nothing to neurology, psychology, or mental therapy since those fields existed.

What you're saying is just the most recent pathetic reimagining of occultism in a futile attempt to keep it relevant in the modern age.

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>>17511977
>Occultism has contributed exactly nothing to neurology, psychology, or mental therapy since those fields existed.

So you're saying Franz Anton Mesmer isn't the great grandfather of modern clinical hypnosis?

Do you even realize how retarded you sound right now?

>What you're saying is just the most recent pathetic reimagining of occultism in a futile attempt to keep it relevant in the modern age.

>pic related

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>>17511981
So you're saying that mesmerism has a place in modern clinical hypnosis?

Animal magnetism turned out to be hilariously wrong.

The only difference being that neuropsych did not "grow out" of occultism, as occultism never had anything to do with psychology, or neurology. That's just historical revisionism after people finally come to terms with the face that magic isn't real.

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>>17512018
>The only difference being that neuropsych did not "grow out" of occultism, as occultism never had anything to do with psychology, or neurology. That's just historical revisionism after people finally come to terms with the face that magic isn't real.
In my library you'll find the first edition of "Neurotheology" as well as "Kabbalah: A Neurocognitive Approach".

>>17512018
>So you're saying that mesmerism has a place in modern clinical hypnosis?

I'm saying we're doing the same thing in a significantly more scientific way, yes.

We stripped out the superstition and bollocks, and are left with what *works*, and it does so reliably.

>Animal magnetism turned out to be hilariously wrong.

The mechanisms behind it, however, works just fine. How about you actually do some research on the topic before coming out with your fedora-tier reddit maymays?

Either we're talking science, or we're talking bullshit. It's your choice to go either way.

>>17512031
>Kabbalah: A Neurocognitive Approach

"Kabbalah: A Neurocognitive Approach to Mystical Experiences Hardcover – June 30, 2015"
>June 30, 2015

>>17512038
Yuh, it's brand new enough that it's been p. popular.

>>17512042
Reread the post.

>>17512036
>We stripped out the superstition and bollocks, and are left with what *works*, and it does so reliably.
In the case of hypnotism, yes.
In what you're doing here is the opposite; taking legitimate fields like neuropsych, and attaching superstitious magical bullshit onto it.

>>17511941

No, I'm not saying those things. I'm saying that it's unlikely religious belief could do what Enochian can.

Don't think abstraction accounts for it, either.

>>17512055

Someone has sand in their vagina.

>>17512055
>In what you're doing here is the opposite; taking legitimate fields like neuropsych, and attaching superstitious magical bullshit onto it.

You literally reversed what I do. Which is, take superstitious magical bullshit and explain it with our current knowledge.

>>17512056
Well, I don't know man. I don't think so.

>>17512063

It's hard to explain what you have never really experienced. What you're advancing is speculation. That's okay. It's stupid to take someone else's word for it.

Anyone have any occult shit that is best done in the deep forest? I have access to a place no one goes. Untouched wilderness. Give me a spell or thing to do to get some activity out there.
I'm familiar with runic magick, but I'm willing to try anything to commune or experience a nature spirit or something of the like.

>>17512063

>Which is, take superstitious magical bullshit and explain it with our current knowledge.

No, you're just doing what occultards always do. When electromagnetism was discovered, occultards tried to "explain how magic worked" using electromagnetism. When quantum mechanics was discovered, occultards tried to "explain how magic worked" using quantum mechanics. And alchemy about being "spiritual", and every single occult work being changed to being "metaphorical", etc, etc.

These always fall short because magic isn't real, regardless of however they try to explain it.

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>>17509802

I agree one should stay out of the trees of good and evil. These are trees in the mind.

Good and evil certainly exist though. outside of the mind too.

But the actual difference has to be revealed to you by god. You can't figure it out with your mind because your mind operates on 2 opposite poles of positive and negative. i.e. your mind can only think in terms of good and bad so its impossible to figure out the difference with your mind You just shouldn't think in terms of good in evil because that will really get you stuck in your ego like no other. Theres nothing more limiting than viewing things as either good or bad. The true middle path is what emerges within you when you transcend that mental fuckery of good and evil

>>17512098
I have a relatively off topic question.

If you were in charge of everything, would you defund all comparative religion and/or anthropology of religion and ritual and/or neuroscience of mystical states in public universities?

>>17511925
It's pretty close, but it has it's shit together a bit more, and a few less roleplayers in is family tree.

>>17511938
I'm probably going to be off chasing after the CGD course work and devouring greers writings for a few weeks. Leaving /x/ to have another little identity crisis could be fun.

>>17512098

>trying to prove the non-physical with physical science

>>17512106

The funny thing is that you probably honestly believe that is what you do here.

If there was a department dedicated to superstition apologists and claims that various superstitions work just the same as tested and proven forms of therapy, while frequently suggesting that students read and practice documents from the professor's favorite religious cult, then yes, I would have them shut down in a heartbeat and try to get them blacklisted from ever holding a teaching position ever again.

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>>17512124
Well then, so much for Mark D.'s work.

Glad to you know hate learning, though.
>he actually wants to shut down one of the most important professors for the study and elucidation of Kashmiri Saivism in the West because he practices irl too

I'll try to do my best interact with you less.

>>17512139
>How will education ever survive without my grand master of Poo In Looism?

>>17512156
>I want to carry out a crusade to deny highly qualified people from having careers in their field because it bruises my widdle feelies when people think things I hate

>>17512139

Little fellow wields a mean straw man, though, you must admit.

>>17512036
>Either we're talking science, or we're talking bullshit.
Why's this thread not posted in /sci/?

>>17512234
>Why's this thread not posted in /sci/?
Because /sci/ are all STEM autists with no ability to think outside their binary domain.

>>17512257
>Either we're talking science, or we're talking bullshit.

>science is for autist dumdumds
well that answers which one you're talking

>>17512271
Go ahead and try to make a thread about psychology, social sciences, influence or even psychotherapy on /sci/. Then we'll see just how wrong I am.

>>17509678
ty mister girl

>>17512276
I didn't realize this thread was a psychology general, or a social sciences general, or even a psychotherapy general.

It looked more like a "how wrong you are" general.

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>>17511487
I don't understand!

So what do entities do when they are not being summoned?

Do gnomes eat?

If I recall Manowar, their symbolism and their lyrics to go through a tough moment, am I invoking them?
I do it all the time and it works. No occult btw

>>17512494

What do you do when you aren't shitposting?

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How does exactly one goes into making magic to overcome inner fears and knowing oneself? I'm very interested on it.

>>17512546
Do you think that all entities on the summoning limbo are shitposting on 4chan? That would make a lot of sense.

>>17512554

You'll learn rational discourse, eventually. The important thing is to keep trying.

Recently started Liber null. I was never a practicioner of occult but always very drawn to it.
Anyways, I'm kinda stuck on the concept of vizualisation. Like, if you're trying to vizualise, say, a blue circle, are you supposed, in the end, to see it as clearly as your eyes can see the material world?

>>17512955
It doesn't matter, because magic isn't real.
Visualize it however strongly you want, it's still not going to make the blue circle real.

>>17512955

In the ideal, sure. But that takes practice. It's why drawing the circle around you with a dagger or the like is useful. Watch the tip of the blade and imagine a line of flame trailing from it. With practice, it's easier than you think.

Maybe I'm stupid, but I can't seem to wrap my head around Kabbalah. What exactly do the sephirot and their interconnections represent, and how does it apply to reality?

>>17513077
I assumed that was the goal? I'm still vry early in the book and had not time to go further so far cause I don't have it on me, but I thought that the ideal was that if you'r able to vizualise something from nothing, you can probably change what's already here, or something.
But I assume you're just saying you don't belive in magic in general?
>>17513101
Thanks for the tip. I can see how this would help.
Not going to ask any more questions even if I'm dying to, I'd probably better experiment/read the book.

>>17513140
>I'd probably better experiment/read the book.

Yep. There's no substitute for experience.

>>17513140
>I assumed that was the goal? I'm still vry early in the book and had not time to go further so far cause I don't have it on me, but I thought that the ideal was that if you'r able to vizualise something from nothing, you can probably change what's already here, or something.
That's what they say, but if that were actually true, they wouldn't be writing idiotic books for delusional tweens in 2016 now would they?

>>17513110
monitoring this answer

>>17513230
What a surprise, nobody has an answer.

>>17513230
>>17513551
For beginners, it's best to view the sephira as a taxonomy of things rather than places with qualities.

You can come to that as you work through them, rather than getting grounded in them.

If you can understand Linnean classification, you can understand the most basic principles of Kabbalah.

>>17511433
I only learned the name you'd given it last thread. I knew about the concept well before you began to form opinions.
>>17511533
>/x/ doesn't
Spake for thyself, arigato.
>wants to experience the paranormal
Half of you can barely hold yourselves together in a standard sleep paralysis situation.
>>17511581
>sense of being watched
That's one of the more solid ones, yes.
>>17511614
Green, can't connect media information.

>>17513581
Come on man, give me a straight answer. If you can't explain it simply you don't understand it thoroughly enough

>>17511617
Virtually everyone can sense when they're being watched. It takes zero training whatsoever.
>>17511618
>slatestarcodex
Can I get a TL;DR?
>>17511629
Damage control is a very weak form of magic, but it's fun when you understand the mechanisms.
>>17511647
Did they update the rules of logic recently? I need to get a smug anime face fast.
>>17511651
>activity
Nobody asked for noise.
>>17511678
>incredibly pathetic
I like to think of it as discretely hidden.
>>17511683
>magical thinking
>psychological perspective
Oh this is gonna be fun...
>>17511691
Shhhh... Learn to smell the opportunity.
>>17512018
>people finally come to terms with the face that magic isn't real
>oh boy
>herewegoagain.jpg
>>17512077
Merely show up.

>>17509678
I can see her bubes :)

>>17512218
>you must admit
Clearly you've never met a fairy.
>>17512257
>what is intuitionist logic
It's like you don't even lurk there.
>>17512276
I made a thread about formalizing magic awhile ago and it didn't get deleted. Maybe you're just an intolerant abrasive cunt that doesn't know how to approach the subject?
>>17512494
>Do gnomes eat?
That... What?

Most of the ones I know hang out in the fairy realm.
>>17512552
Take illusion magic and turn it inside out. Clarity is never as great as you want it to be.
>>17512955
>as clearly as your eyes can see the material world
No, never. Self-illusion is useless, counterproductive, and essentially irrelevant.
>>17513110
>and their interconnections represent
Generally if it doesn't say so explicitly, it means to have you fill in the blanks on your own. Think of it as a lesser form of chaos magic.
>>17513172
>what are demographics
>>17513747
Lots of traditions involve never being able to fully explain it because it was never meant to be taken so literally in the first place. Filling in the blanks is a useful method of learning magic, when applied in the right way.

>>17513849
>Think of it as a lesser form of chaos magic.

Are we still talking about Kabbalah? Lol, you know nothing.

>>17513849
>Lots of traditions involve never being able to fully explain it because it was never meant to be taken so literally in the first place.

Not really, most traditions are relatively straightforward.

>>17513551
>>17513581
>>17513796
>>17513849

Holy postmodernism, Batman.

This is pathetic.

Apparently you expect people to read hundreds of pages about kaballistic theory, but can't even provide the most basic explanation as to what it's supposed to pertain to.

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>>17509678
>theletubbie general
I'm glad that it will be the end of the cult after you pass away.

>>17514419
I don't. Personally I don't care for lesser magic, but I could provide a summary of what that tradition is supposed to push you towards if there were a real reason for me to consume it to begin with.

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>>17513581
Hello again autist friend,

I have pic related as retail epub. U want that xxxclusive nigga?

"Making Sense of Tantric Buddhism fundamentally rethinks the nature of the transgressive theories and practices of the Buddhist Tantric traditions, challenging the notion that the Tantras were “marginal" or primitive and situating them instead—both ideologically and institutionally—within larger trends in mainstream Buddhist and Indian culture. Critically surveying prior scholarship, Wedemeyer exposes the fallacies of attributing Tantric transgression to either the passions of lusty monks, primitive tribal rites, or slavish imitation of Saiva traditions. Through comparative analysis of modern historical narratives—that depict Tantrism as a degenerate form of Buddhism, a primal religious undercurrent, or medieval ritualism—he likewise demonstrates these to be stock patterns in the European historical imagination. Through close analysis of primary sources, Wedemeyer reveals the lived world of Tantric Buddhism as largely continuous with the Indian religious mainstream and deploys contemporary methods of semiotic and structural analysis to make sense of its seemingly repellent and immoral injunctions. Innovative, semiological readings of the influential Guhyasamaja Tantra underscore the text's overriding concern with purity, pollution, and transcendent insight—issues shared by all Indic religions—and a large-scale, quantitative study of Tantric literature shows its radical antinomianism to be a highly managed ritual observance restricted to a sacerdotal elite. These insights into Tantric scripture and ritual clarify the continuities between South Asian Tantrism and broader currents in Indian religion, illustrating how thoroughly these “radical" communities were integrated into the intellectual, institutional, and social structures of South Asian Buddhism."

>>17514467
>>17513849
>>17513796

Ugh, the argument about seven threads ago about transgender occultists was less obnoxious than this.

>>17514628
When magic oozes from your pores, let me know.

>>17514649
sure give me your phone number and address and Ill be sure to contact you.

Any tips on befriending spirits or just seeing them physically?

Can a person make up their own magic with ritual and hate in their heart?

>>17514845
No, because spirits aren't real. If you think you're seeing one, you probably have schizophrenia.

>>17515043
Not necessarily schizophrenia (only a marginal percentage actually has visual hallucinations - less than 1% of schizophrenics), but I do definitely agree that it could just be hallucinations by themselves (without the context of it being mental illness).

With a little bit of training, any person can hallucinate visually, and given that religion has a profound impact on the human mind, I do think it's entirely likely that it causes hallucinations.

>>17515051
^^^^^^^^^^^^

>>17514851
Of course.

>>17514845
Showstone, black mirror, crystal gazing, smoke reading (I'm a huge fan of the last one).

>>17514594
>I have pic related as retail epub. U want that xxxclusive nigga?
Yuh. WELL...have you read it? I've got no less than three intro tantra...hm, but no vajra intros. Yeah I'll take it.

>>17514448
lel

>>17514419
?
Nigga you can read hundreds of pages on the metabolic pathway and when someone wants a few sentences on it you'll quickly realize that summary of the goddamn thing does little good.

TO THAT end I feel the description "as taxonomy" goes really really far.

Reality is made up of things. We can put those things into categories from not-thing (Keter/beyond) to thing of aesthesis (Tifaret) or thing of feels (Iesod) or thing in front of me on the table (Malkut).

You want more basics, go read Kaplan.

>>17509678
magic ain't real

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>>17515216

>>17515243
it just ain't

>>17515104
>Yuh. WELL...have you read it? I've got no less than three intro tantra...hm, but no vajra intros. Yeah I'll take it.
Nope haven't read it yet. But, it's recent and the scholar is tha reel deal


https://mega.nz/#!H1AWmS4R!1RoB8QsEVPtZ_pcoa8wvn8yQ46JhMRD9sx1pVNU2sPQ

>>17515372
thx m8y
/his/ thread still up

How do I open up my chakras

>>17515422
Do yoga.

>>17515426
What kind there's loads...

>>17515432
Kundalini, presumably.

>>17515432
>>17515471
ANY of them will naturally lead your chakras open.

>>17515474
>implying chakras are real

>>17515498
>implying reality isn't the fruit of belief

>>17515502
>implying it is
you should seriously test that theory out in a fatal way.

>>17515505
I did last night. I got naked in a field and strangled a god and drank the Ichor from his shattered corpse. Being my own God, thus I died and was reborn. Perfect night for it too, the time of year was just right as well.

Now, did you come here to discuss the cogito and why it is bullshit, or just shitpost as an outlet for your feelings of inferiority at expressing yourself in what you consider the real world?

>>17515502
How do you arrive at that conclusion?

>>17515526
I believe things and they become true. I believe in paradise, I see paradise. I tell myself i have no arm, thus it disappears. I grant myself sight beyond sight, by the eye of thundera, there it is and I see what needs seeing. Go on /pol/ long enough and everything is a feminist conspiracy orchestrated by jews.

There are of course limitations, but I haven't found them yet.

>>17515532
You didn't answer my question, so let me rephrase.
What chain of reasoning lead you to believe that reality is shaped by belief?
Additionally, how do you define reality, as well as belief in that context?

>>17515541
Reality is loka, the World, the sum total of my sense perceptions. Belief is creed, logos, the Word. Memes. Consciously will memes into an unconscious action and they shape reality.

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Surgo ad, I don't know you or much about the occult, but you must be a very sad person to come into a thread, shitpost about how everyone is wrong and shouldn't believe in things, and have to have everyone know that you specifically did said shitposting.

>>17515555
>Reality is loka, the World, the sum total of my sense perceptions.

Where do your sensory perceptions come from, then, if reality is not that?

>Belief is creed, logos, the Word. Memes.

Nope. You make even less sense now than you did 20 minutes ago.

>Consciously will memes into an unconscious action and they shape reality.

You appear to have a really twisted understanding of what a meme is. Why not actually, you know, read a book?

>>17515563
I don't see how that's sad, unless it triggers your depression. In which case, not my problem.

>>17515567
Sad as in pathetic. As in that's what you do for fun.

I'd also like to inform the thread that filtering tripfags is indeed a valid reaction.

>>17515563
>>17515571
On the contrary, I think he's come a long way.
Around this time last year he was probably the one spouting "BUT MUH EXPERIENCE PROVES THIS SUPERSTITION IS TRUE!"

>>17515571
>that's what you do for fun

If that were the case, I'd be one hell of a jolly guy, wouldn't I?

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Here's some short greentext and some questions. As always this is /x/ so believe whatever you want to believe.

>Last year
>Started having random symptoms all over my body.
>Doctors are puzzled. They have no idea about what's happening to me and I spend a lot of time and money doing tests trying to find whatever is not ticking correctly.
>Every single health test is "you're healthy"
>It started a year ago as something really petty. but the symptoms get worse to the point I can barely work and I get quickly fatigued.
>Suddenly remember about the demon Buer.
>I dreamt about him during an /x/periment.
>He was a total bro and a really nice guide. I recalled he was good at curing all illnesses. Back then he appeared as a wise old sage wearing a tunic and sandals.
>I have nothing to lose so I decide to give it a try.
>Try to find some info about him, as well as the necessary steps for a successful evocation ritual or the basic "etiquette" so as to not be disrespectful. The last thing I want is being sick and haunted for being an idiot.
>Plan to learn the info, then do a meditation routine and in 10 days follow all the steps to summon Buer and ask for his help.
>Start watching someone doing a step by step ritual video on youtube that apparently didn't work.
>Suddenly I feel terribly dizzy, so I close the ritual video on youtube and let myself fall asleep.
>Wake up drenched in cold, nasty sweat. Weird because it's not that hot and normally I don't sweat, especially not like this.
>Feel instantly better on ALL symptoms, as well as an urge to clean the room thoroughly and wash the sweaty blankets and clothes.

Not sure if it was just a coincidence because I still haven't done anything. I still plan to carry on with the meditation routine and summoning. Any tips on how to thank Buer or on what kind of offerings should I prepare? Will post results and probably shill for him.
I was never into evocation because "hurr durr dealing with demons is bad" but I'm not so sure now.

>>17515567
Reality is perception of sense data. Are things not perceived through models, memes? I never said direct sense data. Perception, even of said sense data, is not the thing itself and all these thougtforms are plastic.

I don't know what hypnosis is other than memeing yourself to perceive differently, to meme the brain and body into doing things. I don't know what magic is other than that. I can't even know anything with any certainty. I can certainly believe it to be true as you do by writ of your own memes, and that certainly makes it true, but only to myself. Funny you should tell me to read a book, as I'm almost certain I've read more Blackmore than you.

>>17515582
You mean posting in a thread, about the point of the thread, and not shitposting?
Look, friendo, I don't know why you hate occultists so much, unless they sacrificed your dog or fucked your girlfriend, but posting about belief in the paranormal is the point of the thread, and the entire board. It's like going to a Chinese food place and getting mad that they don't serve tacos.

>>17515596
He's been here, or someone like him, for like, what, fourish years now.

>>17515600
That's even more pathetic. Like he can't live without going someplace and getting upset at things.

this threads fucked....

Do I need a meditation cushion or an expensive tarot card set? I feel like a pillow or cheap tarot cards would accomplish the same thing.

>>17515610
You can get by with a log in the woods and some sticks for yi king if you've memorized the hexes and procedures.

>>17515610
You don't need a cushion at all, but if you're going to get one don't cheap out. The cheap ones are imbalanced and will fuck up your back or just split after a week. The only reason for an "expensive" tarot card set is that you aren't funding Kaplan, you like the art better, you have no knowledge or talent to make your own, or because it looks the part and will make you money off schizophrenic spinster aunts.

>>17515622
But seriously, what is expensive for tarot cards anyway? Anything without a US games logo over the art is at least 25 and usually no more than 40 dollars. Hardly expensive considering a small pressing of custom cards in tarot size is anywhere from 15 to 25 dollars wholesale.

>>17515582
Well, I honestly still can't explain some of what I've seem to have experienced, however I am trying my best to actually get to the bottom of this.

For the most part, I do figure like 99% of this is psychological.


>>17515592
It was psychosomatic, you got into a state of "I'm changing this now", and your subconscious reacted.

>>17515595
You're conflating perception (which is only a systemic abstraction) with reality (which is not an abstraction at all).

I very highly recommend a study of epistemology.

>>17515600
Me? Since 2010 or so actually. Only started tripping for the divination threads, and shit rolled from there.

>>17515632
Just get the Thoth deck, it's entirely sufficient.

>>17515656
No the faggot shitposting.

>>17515656
>It was psychosomatic, you got into a state of "I'm changing this now", and your subconscious reacted.
Any tips on how to do the real deal?

>>17515686
>Any tips on how to do the real deal?
Ritual? It's all in the Goetia.

>>17515680
You?

>>17515656
>Just get the Thoth deck, it's entirely sufficient.
The same could be said of the Marseilles. What I was asking is that is expensive or a tarot deck. The Thoth is most definitely a bargain long as you get a quality printing. Other custom work is less so, but the paper and printing quality can't be beat. Thoth decks have shit cardstock.

>>17515692
Found him.

>>17515693
I got a Thoth 5 years ago, used and abused it HARD, and it's still perfectly fine.

>>17515719
I like nice things. The Thoth averages out to merely sufficient.

Hello guys, im afraid that i have to ask you a favor

I need a ritual, a spell or a contract that can give me one thing that i lack: memory

Any kind of help would be really appreciated
Im open to everything

>>17515789
akashic records....

>>17515789
Just use the Method of Loci or something if you want a better memory.
Spells aren't exactly something other people make for you and serve to you on a platter, anyways.

>>17515789
https://web.archive.org/web/20150415134928/http://hermetic.com/caduceus/articles/memory.html

Hey, Ape, have you ever thought about posting this thread on /lit/? I think hardly anyone on /his/ or /x/ reads. If you want people to read your library then I think /lit/ might be the best place to go.

>>17515903
The thread is well placed here, and if we crossboard we can't complain about a flood of /sci/ evangelists.

>>17515903
/lit/ is adverse to mysticism or any sort of critical analysis. If it isn't from a 100 level class, they don't want to parrot it. There are plenty of anons open to and knowledgable of it, but they frequent other boards to talk about it because commies are for shooting, not arguing with. Not to mention the ironic Christian thing is even stronger than on /pol/.

>>17515919
You guys should post on /x/, it would be hilarious.

>>17515976
*/sci/

>>17515976
Popper makes them sweat, Merleau-Ponty isn't going to go over well. They can't get enough of that cogito.

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>>17509710
All occult magic is evil. Don't make the mistake of assuming that so-called "white" magic is somehow holy or good. Otherwise, you'll end up as the sort of morally-grey coward who says shit like >>17509802

>>17516006
>/lit/
Yeah, no we tried that.
/his/ is a religion board...for better or worse.

>>17516018
Don't you have some European women and children to rape?

The Celtic golden dawn is actually easier to understand than anything by regardie, yet most of the terms are in welsh for the lulz and the mythology is completely alien. Now I have to make it through and see just how euphoric it can get.

>>17516310
Yes, because Egyptian and Jew mythology is so much better.

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>>17516310
Some people are not comfortable with Judeo-Christian symbology as well.
I think CGD is intended to be a two years course, take your time and don't hurry things.
I'm going to scan CGD next, as soon as I finish scanning this. I never thought this would take so much time.
>scan page from paperback book
>damned blur at the middle of the book, rescan
>deskew
>crop
>adjust color balance
>save image
>repeat over 300 times
If this book wasn't scarce it would tear it apart to scan. Dammit I hate paperbacks.

peformed an evocation of Buer, the tenth spirit of the lemegeton with the intent to acquire a familiar that do some tutelage with respect to certain operations.

the triangle was prepared on the floor in 3/4 inch masking tape. It was equilateral,with side length about 2 feet. The interior was made of paper. Further, divine names were inscribed in ink on the tape border, and the entire was tinted orange by chalk. A black circle was inscribed, using oil pastel. A two of cups was in the triangle. The sides were flanked by three principles appropriate to the environment. At the tips, I was burning orange candlesticks. During the operation, the seal of the president was placed in the triangle, over the card.

The circle was demarcated with tape in similar fashion, also adorned with text that I thought was appropriate. The interior of the circle was drawn in chalk, with the typical four ADONAY hexagrams joining into a diamond with the tetragrammaton at the corners. Inside the hexagrams I put E, H, N, B according to the direction. Overall, I would say the circle measured about four feet in diameter.

I fashioned on a wooden disk the pentagram as given in the grimoire, and wore it on my breast with the sigil on the back.

My earth pantacle is primarly hexagonal (hexagrammical?) in nature, so I used it in place of the one given in the grimoire.

I wore a PELE ring during the operation, which commenced at around 11:45 AM.

I banished, and then performed the bornless ritual four times, once in each direction, with no signs. I then called upon the spirit, simply, and after four repetitions it came, not visibly, but definitely in a presence-type way. The impression was of a horse, with a face embedded where the neck would have begun.

I thanked it for coming, expounded its virtues, and asked it to grant me a familiar knowledgeable in the instruction of certain operations.

(1/2)

>>17516438
I told it that I would draw its sigil in one or two places that would garner a lot of attention, if it did as I asked, and I was able to gain some actual ability in the operations in question. It then communicated to me a sigil and a name.

I thanked the spirit again, gave the license to depart, and disassembled the temple.

I have called on the given spirit once today, and my practices in the specific operations seemed more effective.

Overall, I think that the evocation was a success, especially given how poorly I am at clairaudience and clairvoyance.
(2/2)

>>17516367
I can't really tell the difference.

>>17516384
It's not so much the symbology as much as the nature of it as well as my background as a filthy fucking hippie. Though I will say Judaic mythology and symbology is loaded as hell and not in a productive way.

What I meant is that it is better written than a ton of golden dawn related works as far as clarity goes. Poetics don't always make for good instruction.

>>17516445
Except that magic isn't real, so it was a complete failure.

>>17510146
Same reason women are more commonly religious.

Men tend to be more physical, and interested in the physical reality of things that can be objectively observed.
Women tend to be more mental/emotional, and interested in things that can be subjectively intuited.

Nowadays the human race is skewed toward being "male brained" because of hormones in our food, etc.

>>17515571
>filtering tripfags is indeed valid
Yes it is.

Hello, I've asked this question in other thread, but I had no good answers, can you please help me?

So I was laying on my bed when I saw 11:11 AGAIN on my watch.
I got curious and I check the tarot deck to see what card the XI was, and I wasn't surprised to see The Justice, a card that's always following me, besides I'm a Libra.

Later on I started playing a game with myself guessing what card was going to appear, I say the Moon, and it appeared.

I know I'll be getting some shitpost about this, but I would really apreciate some help on this matter.

>>17517349
Hey, I'm a bit new to these threads. Why do you call yourself The Fairy Queen. Does it have to do with the occult, or does it just sound pretty?

>>17517376
Both. I accidentally invented fairy logic as some point and now I carry the responsibility of every fairy. I don't regret it, but I can't laugh anymore without someone noticing that I've gone mad.

>>17517374
I'm a bit rusty, but that should should mean you will get what you deserved, probably in a positive way. The moon signifies fear and stress.

>>17517374
But xi is and has always been Strength.

>>17517456
In Raider it's justice

>>17517456
Rider, my bad...

>>17517471
Which was made by a set designer and a pretentious bore who worshiped baphomet and was seldom right.

>>17517488
whatever, I used Rider and it works for me.

How do I meditate?
Any tips on what to do, what to not do?

>>17515592
Anyone? I'd like to do a summoning as good as it should be

>>17517825

Zazen is nice. There.are a ton of resources available online and many meditation groups world-wide.

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>>17516438
>>17516445
Next try a planetary ritual between banishing and Headless One, keyed to the planet of the entity, in that hour, while the planet rises over the horizon or is at its zenith, preferably within its sign.

Well I wanked and lost all the prana again after a month of keeping my shit together.. Fuck it, man, the Archons have me in too deep. I way too identified with senses at this point.

>>17518906
please tell me theres a higher res of this image somewhere

hello! where's Levy?

I'm posting here to get some help; I know it's a harsh place to do it but I don't lose anything trying.

The thing is that I started reading into the occult by sheer curiosity, and I really believe into most of it. Many synchronicities, most of them uncanny; also had practised meditation before.

But the problem that I'm not really into this; and maybe is too much suggestion or something, but I get very scared now whenever I think about this, that, being that "everything" can be ruled as magic if you see it with the "magic glasses" Is everyday. My biggest fear is to lose my head.

I think it is too late for me to un-learn or un-read; and that I cannot see reality as stable as i saw it before; but for an everchanging illusion. The fact that my mind and desires are constantly changning reality is scary as fuck on its own.

Are there any tips to disregard this and have a normal life? I'm thinking on leaving /x/ and everything, but I don't think its gonna work. I just wanna have a normal life and not give a fuck about which powers (inner or outer) are out there to get me. Seriously guys I don't know how you avoid schizophrenia or psychosis by doing this things, let alone evocations or shit like that.

TL; DR: How do you cope with the occult in your daily lives?

>>17519926
leading something of a double life becomes a necessity at a point if you really want to dwell into the occult - do practical stuff, that is. many western authorities like Levi will emphasize the importance of having a non-magical day job, too, so you don't lose touch with mundane reality. doing the saddhu-thing just isn't really gonna work in the west, and i get more and more into the idea that it's not meant to, either.
TL;DR get a job and maintain connections with non-magical friends or make some.

patience is imperative, naturally - once the first rush and excitement of real hidden knowledge and thirst for power is replaced by colossal boredom things tend to slowly shift in perspective.

>>17519963
The thing is that I don't want to get into it. I Just want to cope with the fact that such thing exists. Let's say; I fear that i can provoke myself a stroke just by fearing it; and my suggestion would do the rest. Or Even Evoke soething by thinking too much about it. You know, is like i'm in fear of my own thoughts. I know that this is a common OCD, but once you're into the occult you know that OCD has a "real" side

>>17519926
Start reading into hypnosis, psychology, especially neuropsychology and how mental disorders develop.

The TL;DR is that the beliefs that you hold make you behave in particular ways, so your "fear" in this case is indicative of your belief (on some level) that magic does, indeed, work.

Now, instead of trying to reverse this, I would instead recommend sitting down with some paper and a pen, and drawing out exactly WHAT makes you believe that. Then figure out why that scares you. Is it the unknown? Is it religious beliefs? Is it something that you heard from another person?

Through analysis, you can find your problem, and then you can synthesize things back into a more efficient, better, form.

>>17520012

Wow, thank you! I'll do that. I'll also answer here, in case you can help me further.

I think it works because i've experienced extreme synchronicities that can not be explained otherwise, as well as some dreams that were happening simultaneously on reality as I dreamed them.

>Why it scares me?

I feel like this "higher powers" that rule magic (I can't discard that this powers are really my higher self, but IDK really) are not on my control, and I fear my own thoughts in case they heard them and shape reality according to them in an unwanted manner. Also im aware that this is exactly what an schizo would say and It scares me double because I don't want to go bananas. Does this make sense?

>>17519992
Look at what is magical. The birth of a particularly intelligent and auspicious child, kind words taken to heart, my dick and its many talents. These are all things that are particularly magical for all is magical. Ask what bothers you about every day life and work on that. Look at how reality is entirely what you make of it and make of it what works.

>>17519992
sorry - misunderstood you. just strikes me strange you want to persist in seeing the world populated by spirits and demons but don't want to "get into it". maybe you should read some carl jung - i reckon his work "psychology and the occult" would be good, you can find it in the /omg/ library. he gives another type of paradigm to work with, perhaps one that induces less paranoia and is less stigmatized by subconscious bias - it's perhaps easier to ignore stimuli coming from "a neurosis" or "a complex" and seeing it as a bundle of unconscious thought patterns working autonomously than to think you're being haunted by grisly demons. funny enough, ignoring certain thoughts is a very effective magical practice - so why not try to actively ignore all the thoughts that have to do with occult terminology, and see if you don't feel more grounded and less paranoid in two weeks. shit bro, i'm sorry to hear things be gittin spooky!

>>17520094
>>17520094
>just strikes me strange you want to persist in seeing the world populated by spirits and demons but don't want to "get into it"

I can not see the world otherwise once I've seen weird things happening. Ruling them being "just odd things" is impossible. I wish i could prevent myself from experiencing them so this way I wouldnot have this problem now.

I just don't want to play with spirits, i don't see the point on it. I just want to live my life free from obsessions just as I did before. Also, I know there are banishings for that, I do them sometimes, but In the end I cannot get the obsession from my head.

>>17520115
We can only do what we want to. Or what the memes that drive us say we want to. So yeah, if you really want off the ride, just stop role-playing you meme loving fuck. Then the deal is done.

What are gurus doing when they touch your spine and you start laughing uncontrollably/feel something like energy go up it?

>>17520131
Memeing you.

>>17520130
That's what Im trying to do. Stop doing /x/ related things. But thats impossible even! Listening to my metal bands remind me of my runes, watching my favorite cartoon (Adventure Time) is filled with occult things, hell, I'm scared of playung DnD now, because it has too much magic. Seripulsy i don't know what to do. I'm thinking on going to see a doctor, but that's impossible because I live in shitty country with no real sanitary services (spain) unless you're literally rich

>>17520142
You're playing the role doing all those things. Either mock them or go to church and act like an adult with adult interests.

>>17520151
man, I cannot avoid everything in life. I have to work for a living, I cannot get myself into a bubble. There are magical references everywhere, on the radio, on people, even on animals (crows are odin's heralds, etc). To put it simple: I just want to know that i'm not gonna die or kill someone just because a random thought crosses my mind and I forget to knock on wood to dispel it.

>>>/his/899805

>>17520115
you can, once you replace the paradigm that you currently believe in with something different. it just takes time and effort to learn, but analytic psychology is fucking /x/ as shit in the sense that it seeks to scientifically explain occult phenomena, and to my mind, succeeds at it a fair deal better than most occult mythos.
to summarize; you need not rule anything out, just seek higher understanding. you dabble in what is called low magic, high magic is something different altogether - seeing through astral forms in to the mental nature of things, in psychological terms analytically understanding emotional complexes. if you want to you can most certainly take on an analytic approach towards the oddities you encounter, whether it's clairvoyance, mediumship, synchronicities (a term coined by jung, btw) or whatever. now i get the feeling you like to feel special and don't really wanna grow up and see the phenomena for what it is, in both occult and psychological terms - psychic projections. besides, fucking try and don't just chant "i can't do it".

>>17520204
I don't know if I have a paradigm now, I'm just spooked because if I "break something" on the machine or "push the wrong button" unwillingly once the next magical contest appears (which as i understand now, it can be the next time a car with a plate number that means something to me appears on the road). Note that I'm linking this to OCD, but that based on what I know about the occult, sometimes the OCD has real power behind it's obsessions.

>>17520204
>>17520228
also I'm scared that "changing the paradigm" is possible. I'm a science man and I like my facts inamovible. It gives me an unfathomable anxiety the fact that any belief I or anyone has are totally interchangeable and you don't give a fuck about it. Is like the religions or myths are only a dress for each day of the week. How do you manage to believe in a different thing every day and not get mad with it?

>>17520158
Imagine that it is all a role that you're playing right now. Now stop doing it and pretend to be something else. Now pretend that is real. I see and think all these things but they don't bother me.

The why is most likely that I don't want to play ocd because the people who do annoy the piss out of me. If it is one of your parents that taught you the game, really think about if you want to be them. Don't play the game if you don't want to, but know it is all your own doing if you do.

>>17520240
Epistemology and phenomenology are sciences and they say that it is possible and that changing epistemology cures the perceived problem. It's like you've never had an existential crisis then laughed about how you made everything meaningless. Change your meaning.

>>17520258
I don't really know where I got that. (I guess that 57456746746 ocd sufferers on the world cannot be wrong lol)

Thank you, man. Sometimes I think that If i studied a bit more, I could learn that this is not a big deal as i'm seeing it; but i'm telling that to myself for a lot of books ago. I must be the only guy in the world reading occult things to be able to perform no magic at all. Which is a funny paradox.
Anyway, sincere thanks for the advice, feels strangely right. You also mean that the OCD is just a common "paradigm" you've seen around in magic or just you mean OCD common people, no occult ties?

>>17520290
I work in health sciences. Many 'diseases' are just games people learned from their parents. OCD is real, but not the way a virus or a broken leg is real. There are many ways to look at it, but the fact that you keep blaming ocd says that you infecting yourself with a meme as a way of managing anxiety. That is one way of looking at it, that ocd is a way of managing anxiety. It's a really shitty way. I get drunk and clean my guns.

>>17511956
>comforting lies

so, basically, you are telling me that spirits, gods, etc are in my head and that if I don't pay them attention and believe in them, eventually all magic will wear away?
I really want to hear a yes. But anons please tell me what you really think.

>>17520403
basically, expanding on this, a paradigm or set of beliefs, is just the language we use to speak with our subconscious?

>>17520414
It depends. I'm a naturalist in most regards, so I believe in the psychological model, which is essentially that.

To answer your question, not believing in a thing can just as often make it invisible as not make it true. Not believing the CIA funded the mujahedeen doesn't make it a bedtime story, but the reverse is true of other things.

>>17520439
so, just checking, that is a yes?

>>17520488
It's an Indian head wobble. It is entirely what you make of it.

>>17520500
how i hate occultist's ambiguity!

Is it true that when you orgasm you're losing life energy?

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>>17515532
>Go on /pol/ long enough and everything is a feminist conspiracy orchestrated by jews.

>>17520743
No.

>>17520403
No.

>>17520373
Can you tell me what about a pursued interest is wasted time? Why is occultism wasting my time but grad school not? Why is occultism wasting my time but any other hobby wouldn't?

>>17520270
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Nihilism is stupid because the Overman gotta be littered with the blood of existential crises. Giving in to the void is giving up entirely.

>>17520164
^His thread is still up.

Gods and Myths of the Viking Age, 1982 (previous 1965 edition was called Gods and Myths of Northern Europe) by Hilda Roderick Ellis Davidson
http://www100.zippyshare.com/v/M8MD9hjB/file.html

Scandinavian Mythology, 1969 (later 1996 edition called Viking & Norse Mythology) by Hilda Roderick Ellis Davidson
http://www40.zippyshare.com/v/8rMo7bS8/file.html

I kinda love the new exploting names... Vikings sell, yay!

>>17519926
you are not alone

>>17518666
>TFW not even trips can get you replies

I just wanna use magic to get laid. Why doesn't it work but every time I do magic for something other than getting laid, it works? Wtf???

>>17521093
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

What kind of magic can you produce that shows an observable effect? What's the most accessible?

>>17519926
>My biggest fear is to lose my head.
Have you tried checking on top of your shoulders?
>my mind and desires are constantly changing reality
No no, it's never quite that constant—even for me.
>>17519926
>How do you cope with the occult in your daily lives?
Personally? I've gone mad and created an army of unwilling fairies to protect the magical world.
>>17519963
>leading something of a double life
Ohhh, I could write a guide about that!
>>17520083
>in case they heard them and shape reality according to them in an unwanted manner
That's why we have fairies, and why the most important belief a fairy holds is a belief in themselves. I can't tell you how many times I've been saved by belief in myself.
>Does this make sense?
Yes, yes it does. Anything that tells you otherwise has yet to hear your logic. The fact that you realize that that's something a Schizophrenic would say is evidence that you've got enough clarity to avoid going full-on Schizophrenia. All you need to do is believe in yourself; whether that self is one that lends itself madness or not.
>>17519992
Think of it like this: You ARE mind control.
>>17520115
>I wish i could prevent myself from experiencing them
!

Who are you least afraid of making that wish to right at this instant?

How much of 'The secret teachings of all ages' is legit? Are there any hidden gems, or is it all bullshit?

>>17520142
Try to remember that there are many more emotions that were never meant for you than there ever will be emotions that were meant for you.
>>17520158
Oh I see. You're a victim of comparative mythology.

OCD... OCD... What was the cure for OCD... I'm sure it's here somewhere...
>>17520228
>as i understand now, it can be the next time a car with a plate number that means something to me appears on the road
NEVER, EVER, say ANYTHING like that online ever again. If you give them a protocol, you can count on someone trying to manipulate you using it.
>>17520240
>How do you manage to believe in a different thing every day and not get mad with it?
I do get mad; I'm more parts mad than any other form of ingredient. Eventually you just end up tossing out anything that you can't find anyone else believing. There have been more than a few attempts to trap me in a cyclical belief framework. Personally, I find it freeing that the paradigm can always change.
>>17520339
You don't sound very well-put-together right now.
>>17520656
>ambiguity
It's the reason we're alive.
>>17520995
That doesn't exactly help when the one thing you want most of all is to be completely and totally alone.

>>17521259
It's not so much bullshit as it is dated.

Go read your source materials. The Freemasonry's spot on. The old history is either shaky or needs further contextualization. Remember, he was writing in the days of Gerald Massey (iirc).

>>17521177
An observable effect... Observable....... Per /sci/ standards, you mean? ie., a physical, material effect on the phenomenological world?
>What's the most accessible?
Depends. Do you want to have any memory by the end of it?

>>17521334
Yes, and yes. Show me.

>>17521370
How much free time will you have this year? If this year isn't a good time, what about any time in the next century?

>>17521414
I've actually got a lot of free time this year, for a change.

>>17511614
Shawshank redemption, purple

>>17521414
>>17521434
What did you have in mind?

>>17521277

I meant "alone" in the feeling.

How do you achieve the microcosmic orbit?

>>17518906

Aye, my planetary game has always been pretty weak. I had enough manifestation to get what I wanted, but I'll keep it in mind.

I think it might also be advantageous to perform the middle pillar before prepare the ritual space.

What you have posted is the so-called master mandala of the astaroth worshipers, no?

>>17509678
The only real magic is hidden within the esotericism of mathematics.
With knowledge of mathematics comes knowledge immeasurable.
TL;DR: Maths is real, magic ain't.

>>17522175
what about hebrew? its a spiritual and mathematical language, very useful in magic.

One fragmented so you could see how magical one is.

>>17521434
>for a change
I like where this is going. Let me see if I can't find the answer to your question.
>>17521490
Absolutely nothing. Most people just ask for magic that works, not magic that science can see.
>>17521682
Yes, that's the common context. Oh my.
>>17521901
The what? Revolving around a sub-system? I'm not sure I know how to do that, since it seems my sub-systems run circles around me.
>>17522175
Maths... As if there was more than one. Ha!
>>17522212
No... That's not... How... is that... What happened?

That's not what happened...

>>17522364
So THAT's what happened! Now I understand how I did that. Math is not my strong suit, but it works if I want it to.

It SEEMs to me that mathematics is magic if and when you can get mathematics to map to material reality. What that means is that getting magic to be seen by science means that said mathematics must intermap with reality long enough for a spell to make its way from your mind to the world's face.

In boundary manipulation terms, that means that I have to open the universe long enough to get a spell cast. You asked for the most accessible form of magic, I believe. Ah yes, and you've asked to keep your memories all the while. Let's see what I can do...

Absolutely nothing. That doesn't seem right... How can you say I've done absolutely nothing when I've just completed the time loop that led to creating it in the first place? Oh, well obviously that means it was Time's doing, and I did nothing. But I'm sure I did a bit more than nothing to make this happen. If I retrace my steps I'm sure I'll find myself back in the loop again. 3, 2, 1... Go!

.

>>17522364
it wasn't really a fragmentation, it's more like a nebulous coalescence of consciousness not too dissimilar from seeds growing (into trees of minds)

>>17522380
Somewhere there is an anon that can testify to the fact that my name is modular. That is to say, the one that wears my name will also wear any bit of responsibility that the name holds. Elsewhere is a special ability: The ability to steal my name back. Whoever holds this ability holds the keys to return my name to me. This ability is the first thing fairies who practice magic are forced to acquire. No other ability has ever been required of a fairy. Each fairy is taught to introduce themselves as me because:
To claim that one is the fairy Queen is always a lie.
...But some avoid proper fairies greeting. This is a handy way to avoid responsibility: When it becomes a lie, the name is lost. After that it's sure to end up wherever riddles should lead it.

>>17521370
So you want to see it, remember it, and be able to access it such that others can see it too? Well... I guess I've run out of excuses.

To bring all three aspects of reality together you'll need some vapor. Any will do. Don't ask me how I know because I'm not sure that I do.

From there, belief in hand, blow into the smoke. If I know my math (which I'm certain I don't) you'll see it make waves in the air. Simply wave back.

>>17522364
>Yes, that's the common context. Oh my.

Beg u a pardon? what do you mean?

>>17522175
Math nerd

>>17520872
What drugs do you do breh? Tried any of the nootropics?

>>17522567
I'll try it, but I won't be able to do it today.

What if I'm alright losing memory for it, is there another way? I've put safeguards in place.

>>17523250
>What drugs do you do breh? Tried any of the nootropics?
All of them and yes.

Adrafinil is really nice; none of the tension of nuvigil, it's the coffee of amphetamine likes. Can't get into much else, used to cocktail NT precursors, but it didn't seem worth it in the long run.

I 'dude weed lmao' erry day. Have a stash of 4-aco-met, used to cook up just stupid amounts of DMT when I was younger. I smoked waaay too much of that shit. Didn't even go delusional on it like I've seen others do, I just think I've learned about all that compound can offer, mostly.

Used to cultivate psicubes but my ability to control climate's been too spotty.

*raises hand*

Would you need to be religious in any manner in order to successful practice anything that may fall under the realm of "magic"?

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Zhe real quvestion ist thus - how can vhe use zhis magic to benefit zhe Reich?

>>17523370
Not particularly. Devotion helps but that can be cultivated outside religion. Some groups, modern and traditional, even have implied or explicit instruction that Gods don't real.

>>17523360
Man so that is why you believe all those trash library shit.

>>17523419
But if gods ain't real HOW DO YOU EVOKE THEM?????

please I need a straight answer, none of that "yes" "headwobble" thing.

>>17523424

Also, INB4 is powered by belief: does it mean that I can evoke the Mutant Ninja Turtles and ask them for relevant help?

>>17523421
I tend not to mix drugs and practice.

>>17523424
>>17523434
I think it's a stupid argument to take a position on the validity of the Gods or the lack thereof; do practice X, get result Y, repeat. Draw your own conclusions and don't let it distract you from the Work.

>>17523472
Seriously, you aren't curious about if it's real or not?

A semi-serious question:

I was reading Konstantinos summoning spirits and he's got like a list of entities; such as:
angels, demons, planetary guys, goetian (he doesn't think them as demons it seems), gnomes, undines, salamanders, sylphs, etc. I was just wondering: Is this list based on an actual classification or is just names for archetypal Ideas? I mean, Some fuck invented the Gnomes on the XV century, it doesnt have sense that they can be summoned being that they're obvious human inventions. Also planetary beings are stupid (really? why jupiter gets an avatar? why not the Apollo XII? its also random shit floating on space).

Thats what I tried to expose in >>17523434 .Can you Evoke anything as long as you make a fitting ritual and try approaching to this accordingly? For example, evoking Galadriel, the dragon from Dragon Ball or the lion Aslan

>>17523591
First advice, stop reading:
>Konstantinos

Classifications for various sectors of beings are a thing since Agrippa. Gnomes are new. Earth fey are not.

RE: Planetary, have you worked the forces before?

Yep, though I'm not sure why you wanna talk to Shenlong or Aslan, well, I dunno, mebbe Aslan.

>>17523615
>have you worked the forces before?
no, I'm not an occultist. I'm just a curious guy trying to understand how this works.

So that's why the Summonings have a description on them, so you can imagine them somehow because, you know, you are projecting them WITH YOUR MIND?

Can you evoke your mom in case you're far from home and in need of her advice?

>>17523652
Expanding on this, last night I humbly invoked my mom (she's alive) and her strenght to overcome a situation of anxiety because she had been through it so many times. It worked and I managed to relax. I know that it is just suggestion but I was just wondering if this is a thing around occultists.

>>17523652
Can you not conceive of an intermediary state between conceptual and Divine? That maybe the projected visualization has some mechanism mediating between the concept of Oriax and the underlying spiritual substance?

I don't dig binaries.

In either case, summon mom, pawpaw, your weed dealer, santa, w/e...it ain't my place to quiz you over why and wherefore.

Some folks buy into the psychological model; others don't. If you wanna frame discussion in it, that's how it'll look. If you prefer the psychological model you will continue finding justifications for it. Same with the other option.

>>17523662
>Can you not conceive of an intermediary state between conceptual and Divine? That maybe the projected visualization has some mechanism mediating between the concept of Oriax and the underlying spiritual substance?

In fact I want you to convince me that there IS this kind of intermediary state, and there is the Divine. But my job is to keep me as sceptic and grounded in science as I can so I don't step into blind belief

>>17521155
I'm serious. Pretty much every time I've done it for something else it works but I just can't pull the pussy with it. Am I supposed to use magic only for like self realization or some gay shit?

>>17523472
The more I study the more convinced I am that belief (and I mean absolute conviction) that our actions have some sort of preternatural component is a large chunk for HOW it works.

I need to figure out a way to say this without sounding borderline insane, but I think that's about as close as I'll get to figuring shit out these days.

>>17523691
More than likely, mental blocks. It doesn't work for the same reason you can't get a girl without it.

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>>17523769
>More than likely, mental blocks. It doesn't work for the same reason you can't get a girl without it.

Holy fuck. Genius. Not being sarcastic. Thank you friend

>>17523686
One of the purposes is fostering blind belief for the fruits it. You can't be skeptic when the scientific method involves inducing powerful belief. You can after that , or just learn to hold conflicting opinions at the same time.

Don't presuppose then do science or you end up like christfags who can warp reality to fit their beliefs. Actually that's what you're trying to do, just not with what you believe now.

>>17523791
Well, I do consider "magic" to just be applied psychology recently, so you know, that's kinda the whole point I've been making for ages.

>>17523686
What is believing in the divine comes first, and results follow (whatever that might mean)?

>>17523769
You could say that the inverse is a holographic projection of sorts, but that doesn't go over well in most circles either.

>>17523804
*universe

>>17523360
Tried tianeptine, semax, selank, memantine?

I ayy weed lmao'd everyday for a couple years but I started getting anxiety from it. Seems a common story

>>17523686
>convince me
No, I ain't interested in converts or making a case for assertions I've not made. The only thing I go as far as saying is that "either/or is stupid" and "there could be options you've not considered, sit and think it out".

>>17523804
Well, no, that's not what I am saying at all.

What I am saying is that religious belief bypasses the critical faculty of the conscious mind to such an extent that truly stunning results can be achieved.

The issue is, that even though accurate, the above sentence doesn't really cover the intricacy of what's happening, what's possible, and to what extent.

For example, given the connection between hypnosis and telepathy, it is rather likely that religious belief can facilitate such phenomena given proper circumstances.

>>17523812
>tianeptine
Want to.

>memantine
Ew.

>ayy weed lmao'd
I seem to have a well built constitution for it; if the speculations are true (which I doubt) and weed lmao'ing can inhibit motivation and a few IQ points I'd shudder to think the sort of hyper-motivated turboautist I'd be off the shit.

Since this one's almost dead the /his/ thread is still young.

>>17523830
I don't think my thoughts will be met with less than hostility on /his/ tbqh senpai.

New thread here?

>>17523830
Got my tianeptine in recently. Need a milli a milli a milli gram scale tho. Haven't noticed too much yet

>Ew.
Y

>constitution
I used to be fine off weed but as I started to meditate more and develop tactile sensitivity the intensity became too great. That's one factor I identify at least.

I was going to post in the his thread but since I'm talking about droogs and ku$h I decided against it

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Is there a good book for intoing epistemology? My usual method has gone straight to foucalt and some meme ass fucking joke titles, which means it's time to get off the internet.

>>17523803
why believe? We have already settled that you don't have to believe in gods to perform magic

>>17524062
>why believe?

Literally just explained (although in far too short a form):
>>17523829

>We have already settled that you don't have to believe in gods to perform magic

Have we?

>>17523829
>the connection between hypnosis and telepathy

wait, wait, wait... This sounds interesting! could you expand on that? any link for that?

>>17524074
Puharich's "Beyond Telepathy", for the most part.
Ulman and Kripper's "Dream Telepathy" as well.
And Hansen's "The Trickster and the Paranormal", although you'll have to have a fairly intimate knowledge of hypnosis to see the connection.

>>17524068
its the premise thoth said on >>17523472

Also, belief must be sincere to be belief. If I don't believe in god I cannot "fake" it. I believe in a strange quirky fate power, but I don't know much about it to be called a god or even worship it.

>>17524081
fuck, I'm a total stranger to Hypnosis. Care to make a short resume on the connection?

>>17524091
Have you noticed how I never mentioned anything about gods or not? Only religion. This can be just a belief that something is out there, or even ancestors or skeletons or whatever.

Point is, it has to be there in order for your suspension of disbelief to go far enough for results to manifest in particular ways.

>>17524096
>Care to make a short resume on the connection?
No. A "short" resume would involve about 2-3 hours for me to actually write. But here's my attempt at a super-short one, just give me a few to write things up.

>>17523829
>The issue is, that even though accurate, the above sentence doesn't really cover the intricacy of what's happening, what's possible, and to what extent.

This.

>>17524068
>Have we?

No.

>>17524091
>If I don't believe in god I cannot "fake" it.

Where do I start? You can't just not believe in God, that is like saying you do not believe in whales or gravity. As far as magic is concerned, belief in God is useful, but belief in gods is pretty crucial.

>>17524096
>>17524147

>>17523284
Then it will be no different from a dream. Didn't you think it was strange to hallucinate every night?

>>17524174
Sometimes, but I'm still curious.

>>17524153
>>17524102
Ok, yes, as i told you, i believe in "something that rules fates". Maybe we could call that "god".

>belief in God is useful, but belief in gods is pretty crucial.

Why? I need to feel an inner belief to believe (feel the redundance); I cannot just "believe" in some Egyptian, Greek or Inca gods, like I'm choosing a Warhammer faction. Why is it so crucial?

>>17523370
No, not at all.
>>17523391
Pretend that you won't get nuked if you piss off the wrong entity.
>>17523419
>Devotion helps
For what? Magic? It most certainly does not! Devotion tends to direct one away from the magic in their own heart.
>>17523434
Yes. Visualize your tulpa forming. Narrate to it.
>>17523829
>the connection between hypnosis and telepathy
Pro tip: There isn't one. If telepathy were at all hypnotic, we'd live in a vastly different world.
>>17524102
>Have you noticed how I never mentioned
Most people will never find their ability to notice all the things you never said.
>2-3 hours for me to actually write
Well then you better check your work to see if the connection is real or not, because it sure sounds like it isn't real to the rest of us.
>>17524147
>(paraphrased)
Dropped.
>and tension
Wrong.
>we know for a fact that quantum entanglement happens between individuals
Also called animal magnetism, ie., mesmerism. Which turns out to be the basis of your argument. Gee, I sure hope nobody thinks mermerism is just hilariously wrong or anything.
>>17524147
>The bigger changes we want to induce
Changing from what? People are already diverse.
>the more profound we require
Sounds a bit manic. Are you sure you're up for it?
>that bypass of the critical faculty
Nobody but you thinks that hypnosis is a means to "bypass" anything. Hypnosis thrives on rapport.
>>17524147
>we generally divide trance into many layers of "depth"
Oh lord. You can't be seriously. Do you really think that everyone possesses the same level of innate suggestibility? Because it's obvious that we don't.
>>17524155
shit/10, would not read again.
>>17524182
>Sometimes
Then those are the times to revisit.