/omg/ -- Occultism & Magick General

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>>17463383
bump

>>17463383
what more can you tell me about doctors?
the lab coats they wear should be painted black imo, they are all mind controlled/zombies

they are makin billions off sacrifical magic.

they all went to universities and graduated wearing black robes

but thats all i got.

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Let me save everyone a lot of trouble.

>I'm illiterate how can I learn magic.

>There's no such thing as magic, just hypnotism, so do hypnosis instead.

>Christ is the only way.

>The true masters of magic use designated shitting streets.

If the comment you're about to make looks anything like one of the quoted comments don't bother commenting. It's been done to death and frankly it's a boring waste of time.

>>17463390
>what more can you tell me about doctors?
Doctor good man. You break leg, he make leg work again.

Problem doctor is because doctor think he know when he don't know. Is why psychiatry is big problem, because doctor don't look at brain like other doctor.

If you have body problem, doctor good.
If you have head problem, not so good. But you call me, I fix head no problem, very cheap, very good deal.
We make business, yes?

>>17463396
Is all good deal, you want halal, I sell halal. You come to europe of east, you have food. You no make deal, no food, only haram. Make good business you and I.

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>>17463396
>DESIGNATED INSEMINATION YOGINIS

>>17463407
Skulls is like Disney pictures. Is no good deal on religious icon when funny.

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>>17463406
>>17463407
Nasty people. Sad. They can't read a comment without wanting to fight.Used to be commenters like that would be banned.

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>>17463411
Death is funny. This is 4chan. Funny skulls, jailbait goddesses, what more can you want?

>>17463414
I make joke. You want buy joke?
Come to europe of east, we sell all joke. You want Russian joke? I sell. You want Czech joke? I sell. Mother in law problem? I sell, no problem. Want cheap car? Bugatti, Pagani, Ferrari, you buy. All legal, no problem, I tell you. Very good deal. Europe of east very good business, you buy, you sell, big money. Also joke money due to western kurwas. But is all good, capitalism mucho bueno in europe of east if you smart.

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>The unknowable is approached like one would enter a bath in which the whole of Being is submerged. Bodily sensations and thoughts and feelings dissolve within the bath like a snake sheds its skins, as layers detach and evaporate in the sheer expanse of mystery.

>>17463546
I find DCS's constant reliance on metaphor distasteful.

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Why is the devil hisself such a qt?

>>17463546
stop posting jew magic you rat fuck

I've been trying to talk to the Holy Spirit to find out if I can be saved, but I fear not. Last night I had a dream, and the Baphomet appeared in it, seated, and I was able to ask him questions. He told me the day that I'm going to die. What are the chances this was real? For me to have spoken to him does this mean am I already going to hell? Like, would he have not been in my dream if I weren't going to hell indefinitely?

>>17463653
To be more clear, I was in a location.. some kind of massive, COLLOSSAL cave system with hostile inhabitants, and there was probably 1/4-1/2 foot of water on the ground in the area I noticed the Baphomet sitting in, indian style. I asked several questions and got the answers immediately.. I can't remember any of the questions except the date of my death though.

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>>17463653
It is as often your reaction to it as the vision itself that is meaningful. Look at how you felt as much as what you were told. Even very disquieting things presentied in this manner can be reassuring, though they are in fact only vikalpa crying out against their own extinction and ultimately illusion like all else.

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>>17463586
On a related note, I find it interesting that most historical occultists were expected to have some skill at drawing, and today, there are few artists that don't have some knowledge of the occult.

>>17463672
Could this be a sign that I'm going to hell then? I've been seeking an answer to this for days now. Some people discomfort or terror when they look at images or in dreams see the Baphomet. For me I was entranced the moment I saw them and had to go near, knowing that I could ask questions. Forgive me if you don't share the same view of a literal spirituality and afterlife.

>>17463731
Sorry I messed up making edits. Im sure you can still understand but, just know I'm not a dummy.

>>17463731
It's all the same either way. Literal or figurative.

First, most dreams not had by children take place in some kind of underworld or cthtonic realm. My last few were in a mall, an airport, the eternal underbelly of a school, and a labyrinth of abandoned buildings, all taking place between dusk and dawn. This is just where dannk dreams happen. Hell isn't the right word for it. It can be hell, it is hellish in many ways, but is not ultimately hell. Maybe one of the buddhist lokas, like the realm of animals or hungry ghosts and not necessarily permanent as nothing is.

Second, what I was attempting to say and failed to do on my part was that it's more about your reaction to it. It means, in my limited interpretation, that you are still afraid of death. Or that things that aren't truly you are afraid of their host not being afraid of death and are casting illusions to sway him.

Or, baph is what baph is. He's like the Freudian id. Das Es. It wants what it wants but has to go through you for it. You, I assume because all I am capable of is making assumptions based on myself and what I know, want to make peace with it which is why you are drawn to it. He excites your animal nature, is your animal nature. It's up to you on how you react to what he says. I generally treat such things like the children that they are. They can be right and wise beyond measure, but that can also be petulant, ammoral little shits only looking out for themselves without even knowing what is truly good for them beyond the tip of their penis or ego or other controlling sense organ.

>>17463586
Why does he look 16 years old? I always figured he'd appear middle aged.

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Ya'll haters corny with that Illuminati mess

>>17463773
He is the child within us all. Our ego, our limited perceptions that fool us with illusions. He is all we generally know. He is self serving, self interested, deceptive. Dependent on us. He is maya and Mara, illusion and death.

When he offered the Nazarene all the kingdoms of the world, he was offering the knowledge already possessed of the fundamental weaknesses of man. He is the world, like, in the tantric sense, in the sense of the phenomenology of perception.

Also between goetics, angyali üdvözlet, the bible, Chinese cartoons and a lifelong friendship with the little bastard, he appears to me as a blond boy with daddy issues. To you he probably looks like the thing you find most dangerous and powerful. A politician or a Pope or some such. Maybe a rock star or an ogre. How you see him says a lot about you.

do A∴A∴ have secret handshakes even if they are not truly an organization?

given that they work as singles they might want to recognize each other if they happen to meet...do they just do it only through the OTO?
how many A∴A∴ initiates would you say are affiliates with the OTO too?

>>17463908
>how many A∴A∴ initiates would you say are affiliates with the OTO too?
Probably something like half to three quarters.

A.'.A.'. has modes of recognition. Generally a word.

>>17463935
>Generally a word.
Which I forgot. Heheheheheheheh.
Fun times.

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>>17463407
Hinduism a shit.
"Sacred Sexuality" a shit.

If you aren't having sex with your husband with the intent to procreate, there is nothing sacred about what you are doing.

>>17463383
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyw9J6NuFSM

>>17464075
I mean that's the plan but one of us has to be the girl and I'm the kind of girl that's on top like Kali intended.

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>>17464140
>I'm the kind of girl that's on top like Kali intended.
J-Jai Ma!!

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>>17464230
I meant girl in quotations. I don't really have an appropriate pic because my laptop is dead and that's where all the good shit be.

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>Walk with the all the spirits, good and bad
-Exuma

Do you agree with this statement?

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>>17464391
Walk with all the spirits you walk with god.

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>>17464391
Yes. LHP and RHP is a false binary propagated by morons.

I serve with both Hands alike.

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>>17464543
I'm all about the left hand of the left hand. I'd go full dungeonsynth of vaporwave but haven't found the need just yet. There is not yet a frog smug enough for that. Believe me I couldn't even draw one.

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>>17463406
You big wheel, you big deal?

>>17464543
the ha-kohen's are legitest
https://books.google.ca/books?id=bEZpB09HeP0C&pg=PA37&dq=treatise+on+the+left+emanation&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjdmce6177LAhWGn4MKHQ9tBjUQ6AEIKTAC#v=onepage&q=treatise%20on%20the%20left%20emanation&f=false

"I will do this for you even though you are quite aware that this path was not trod upon except for "two or three berries in the top of the uppermost bough" (Isaiah 17:6) -- these are the ancient elders, the scholars of Spain who delved in the palace of Samael. It is a long and deep path and it eludes all masters of wisdom of the hidden emanation, the "depth of good and the depth of evil." (Sefer Yetzirah 1:4) It is known only to those few solitary individuals, "the remnant who the Lord shall call" (Joel 3:5)."

antinomian and elitist and everything

>>17464821
And I embrace it all in my renunciation.

>>17464821
"they all utilized the secret knowledge of the lesser heikhalot, which is the secret knowledge of demons, so that they could ascend the ladder of prophecy"

this shit is rad as hell

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>>17464821
Kaplan's Sefer Yetzirah's full of juicy tidbits.

Where do I get started with self-hypnosis? I don't want to read a dozen thick tomes about theory. i just want techniques.

>>17464859
Ask Surgo when he gets here.

>>17464859
>I don't want to read a dozen thick tomes about theory. i just want techniques.
Techniques which rely on dozens of thick tomes about theory.
If all you want is practice, read Oven Ready Chaos, that's literally all you will understand how to do without reading those dozens of thick tomes.

If you want to actually progress beyond pretending that you're getting results, I've got bad news for you.

All that said, I very highly recommend Igor Ledochowski's "The Power of Self-Hypnosis" audio training CD's. It's nothing very innovative, but it's well put together, and there is very little I can disagree with (as Igor also has a tendency to actually base what he says in science).

>>17464884
Bless Phil Hine. He's gr8 from "start here, noobfag" through specializing in high tantra.

>>17464888
True. Although to be quite honest, using this tech without
understanding the what, why, and to what end is very much
as giving water to a plant whilst one dies of thirst.

Makes me think of the LBRP in that regard.

Were there a collection of tapes and recordings of hypnosis or general occult shit in the OP for a while or was I just high? Now that I'm not I have time to listen to them.

>>17464884
>If you want to actually progress beyond pretending that you're getting results, I've got bad news for you.
Is that news, "You're a normal, healthy, functioning human being," by any chance?

>>17463383
What could your recommend similar to David Chaim Smith or Aryeh Kaplan? Something that I can find in the Mega.

>>17465020
Kaplan's all of the Kabbalah folder; I've got a copy of Kabbalistic Mirror of Genesis there and in the AA>Philosophy folder.

The only thing I can think of that's remotely similar to DCS is Kaulajnananirnaya.

>>17464884
Read a bit of that oven ready chaos shit. Sounds like a bunch of lunatics honestly.

>>17465054
It's one of the most straightforward tomes on the subject, you are just too much of a lunatic yourself. When you view magic as a cure for autism, you see that everything is a metaphor for something else because the thing itself is a bitch to describe and any book that does brings up the story of the blind men and the elephants and invariably commits the same mistake.

What I am saying is that you need to say fuck it and just get schwifty or your a fucking autist. I don't know how to make it any more clear than that. Get schwifty and actually do to understand. Also most of the people writing and making use of this shit have like 3 degrees and memberships in at least 2 occult societies.

>>17465029
Thanks, I´ll check it.

What makes David Chaim Smith so particular, by the way?

>>17465080
Thanks, but since it doesn't give me any particular abilities besides the ones I can acquire with common sense I think I'll pass on all the unecesary mumbo jumbo. Once they figure out how to shoot a fireball or two, call me.

>>17465101
Ring ring. You want literal or metaphorical? One is money dollars at the fun store and the other is entirely what you make it. Call me back when common sense cures pederasty.

>>17465101
Tape a zippo to a can of aerosol, draw a pentagram on it for bonus points

>>17465083
Incredibly refined Kabbalistic attainment. He's seriously, not bullshit, up there with Scholem and Kaplan and Luria.

It helps he spent time in India with the Naths and some other groups.

>>17465118
So I guess since your weak mind couldn't overcome your pederasty you turned to chaos magic?

>>17465119
I don't even know what you meant by that.

>>17465133
Anon, you post on 4chan and haven't shown me any of your degrees or accomplishments. You shouldn't be throwing stones like that when your own house is made of glass.

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>>17465157
>>17465141
>>17465133
>>17465119
>>17465118
>it's an "arguing about pederasty and the validity of presenting proofs via the means of a Mongolian yak husbandry vBulletin" occult thread

>>17465123

Well I agree in that, I had read "Kabbalistic Mirror" that I found in the Mega and was ashtonising, thanks for that btw.

On the other hand I have seen him make some rants here or there disqualifying concepts like the Secret Chiefs that made me confuse, as if he disregard the point or pragmatism of that sort of concepts. I attribuited that to some sort of "mysticism" bias or something :P

So guys, I've been lurking for a while now. What's the endgame goal with the occult? Understanding? Material gain? Power? How do you know what you study is valid? Genuinely curious.

>>17465165
I'm drunk and pulling shit from my ass for keks, I don't know what his excuse itx, but I have a feeling it's even more lame.

>>17465157
Ok, I'll bite. What did you personally get from either chaos magic or any other occult abilities or resources? Did it actually produce any fruit? If yes could you share with us?

>>17465189
Scratch that, he was pulling it out of his ass. I feel my jimies rustled.

>>17465177
My excuse is that I am bored to death and am looking for enterntainment before sleep. You seemed like the right candidate.

>>17465168
He's incredibly biased towards his lineal schools and has tried to divest me of my Thelemic philosophy multiple times. The only thing I can say to that is "I respect you more than most commentators but you yourself say I'm doing fine, so I'll cross that ordeal when I come to it."

>>17465189
From chaos, nothing but the diy ethos that built the punk scene. So everything in a way. Total freedom. A career path. Release from depression and addictions, better friends, a better life, cash money and baubles I don't really care much about but shallow fucks do so it's worth mentioning.

>>17465193
I was rustling your jimmies, but most of it is still true. Doing edgy shit like reading books and actually taking charge of my life through the means gained therein with little recourse for my personal opinions of it all saved me from mediocrity and worse.

>>17465175
>endgame
Dunno, what's your tradition?

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What was Hadji? I mean one would assume Sufi by the name but idk.

>>17464859
I enjoyed Monsters and Magical sticks.

>>17464895
Please live no longer

>>17463407
jll pls leave

>>17465390
/co/ poster here. I'm almost certain he's a Sikh.

>>17464996
There's some morons who do that kind of thing, yes. I wouldn't expect anything too big from them.

>>17465010
It's news of "it's all pretending", actually. But yes, that too.

>>17465054
That's what it takes to influence behaviors, if you don't want to read dozens of thicc tomes.

>>17465101
>it doesn't give me any particular abilities besides the ones I can acquire with common sense
Not without reading a dozen thicc tomes. Which was your question in the first place.

>>17465123
>Incredibly refined Kabbalistic attainment.
More like making no god-damn sense all of the time.
But to each their own.

>>17465133
>entirely missing the point

>>17465175
Truth.

>>17465198
>incredibly biased towards his lineal schools
That explains the close-mindedness.

>>17465425
>Please live no longer
Fuck off. I'll live to a hundred and twenty just to spite you now.

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is synethesia occult? I think it could be used pretty good in terms of rituals and the like, projecting visions onto stuff, cross sensory association kind of like mantras or sigils and so on. I'm currently reading up on practiced synethesia, though I've always been able to do stuff like see or feel music, I'm learning to try stuff like assigning numbers colors and projecting images.

I am imagining it would be a pretty useful or at least creative if combined with occult or magickal practices.

>>17466344
Not occult, just a symptom of higher sensory coherence with fewer self-imposed limitations on that.

>>17466371
this.

I've experienced the phenomenon in altered states of consciousness. It's not occult, but it is awesome, and I think it can help with seeing the relations between your senses. It can allow you to recognize that the senses are not these isolated individual things they are thought to be, but an interconnected network of awareness.

>>17464884
>Shilling hine

I hope you're at least getting paid per comment to push something that bad

>>17465054
It absolutely is.
>>17464884
>>17464888
I feel like the two of you are trolling me. "Cover your nuts in honey and run through woods=magic" hine is getting high praise from you two?

>>17464996
It's rather random, but enjoy https://mega.nz/#F!RktiXZBS!W_ZvtntvNvWxvsSYZCG_vg

Things magic can't do.
Hurt you
Effect your outside world at all
Make actual changes to anything
Make you a better human being.

Things magic does
Makes you self delusional
Makes you think you are special
Helps you join a long list of other egomaniacs who play in imagination land.

I practiced for years, even with a legitimate order. The end result was that I came in with nothing. And left with nothing. All the meditation and other mental "tricks" were neat for a while, but ultimately meaningless.

Get a better hobby. Go build something. Even the UFO chasers have more concrete things to discuss and be interested in.

>>17467129
>even with a legitimate order.
Neat, which one?

>I came in with nothing. And left with nothing
Nothing is all we have, anon.

>meditation
Not yoga? Or half ass yoga?

>get a better hobby
I'm fine with mine but thanks for the advice.

>go build something
Working on finishing up my kangling now. Might start the kitchen chemistry again.

>even the UFO chasers
Odd how there's overlap in the community then, but I'm sure you know better than everyone else.

>>17467129
Stop Liking What I Don't Like: The post.


Bump

Is Julius Evola's books on the occult legit?

>>17467459
Define 'legit'.

They're ok in my opinion. Not great. Not trash.

>>17467468

Legit as in its not a bunch of New Age / Wicca garbage. I like reading his books on tradition and was wondering if I was going to get the same reaction reading his books on the occult.

>>17467474
>New Age / Wicca garbage
Again, like, define. "New Age" can mean anything or nothing. "Wicca" can mean anything from Scott Cunningham's books to BTW or Cultus Sabbati.

>books on tradition
I got a few hundred texts worth of academic analysis on ancient cultures and translated source scriptures. You won't get as much tradition in Evola as you will Neoreaction. Read the actual traditions instead of some dude's comments on them.

>>17467490

>Again, like, define. "New Age" can mean anything or nothing.

I suppose what I mean is does it expound something new that wasn't regurgitated to death by a bunch of pseudo occultists or "witches".

>I got a few hundred texts worth of academic analysis on ancient cultures and translated source scriptures. You won't get as much tradition in Evola as you will Neoreaction. Read the actual traditions instead of some dude's comments on them.

Any suggestions or titles?

>>17467506
>wants tradition
>but wants something new
Some lines of witchcraft have strong ties to legit sources of spiritual transmission. I don't even know what you mean by psuedo-occultist. Sounds like buzzwords for "give me something I'll agree with when you don't know what I agree with".

>suggestions
Everything in the following folders:
>Babylonian
>European
>Eastern
>Egyptian
>Gnostic Studies
>Grimoires
>Hermeticism
>Kabbalah
>Neoplatanism
>Shamanic
>Yezidi
>Zoroastrian
>Voodoo/African

How do I summon a succubus?

>>17467545
>go to bad dragon
>pick a succubus of your choosing
>incant the jew's numbers into the appropriate fields
>wait 2 weeks to a month depending on custom options and how much molly everyone is on

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>>17467524
Ever notice how "the occult" is basically just a bucket list of every culture white people have colonized?

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>>17467576
?
Kinda hard to find a spiritual tradition that the greater West hasn't touched in some capacity.

I've never actually seen a nonwhite pagan discriminated against in a neopagan community. I'm sure it happens in a few Asatru circles, but those are few enough and far between enough that I would hardly call them representative.

But yes, obviously people should only learn about and integrate their own culture's practices into their lives, because there's not anything resembling a long history of syncretism and conversion through history.

>>17467576
What the fuck are you even talking about?

>>17467599
It's either:
>a /pol/ parody of SJW extremism fishing for (You)s
or
>actual stupidity

In either case there's very likely little or no reasoning with 'em.

>>17467576
cultural appropriation does not into real.

>>17467640
Well, I mean, it sorta does, I just find it hard to place equivalence between, for example, telling Church of England missionaries that the Hindus have independently assembled their own Bible in the Baghavad, or funding illegal pundit expeditions on behalf of the East India Company and someone practicing Kali Puja in the solemn privacy of their bondage dungeon.

>>17467576
But the egyptians are appropriating muslim culture,

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>>17467844

>>17467844
You mean arabian one? They adopted arabian language, writing, religion, names and gods know what else.

>>17467956
see
>>17467846

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>>17467656
Also a few threads ago you were question my comment about deconstruction as banishment. If I had to pick a source for that argument I'd go with book two of "Essay Concerning Human Understanding". Most of the things that really trouble us come from ourselves. Or at very least we are the pallet that trouble is played upon and clearing the slate will dissolve most problems.

>>17468088
>Most of the things that really trouble us come from ourselves
I don't exactly disagree and this is the Buddhist tradition.

I still can't fully jive with a rejection of the spiritual model. I counter your Hume with Levinas' Totality and Infinity. Remember, Hume cast the works of Theology into the flame, not necessarily the perceptions leading to them. The image of a table diminishes with distance, but not the table itself, I'd say the same with the image of Alterity and diminishment via theology.

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>>17468114
Not Hume but Locke. Not the outright rejection of all things theological, but the thought that we must apply what reason we have to gods as well.

Am trying to make sense of Levinas, as I'm not familiar with it off hand.

>>17468164
>Essay
>Inquiry

Yeah, I get those two fucked up constantly. Hume essentially comes to many of the same conclusions.

Levinas is a go-to author for me for phenomenology of religious experience.

Back to the top.

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Bumping with /omg/ in film A E S T H E T I C starter pack

>>17468657
>No Asia Argento
>No Jodorowski
Pleb.

>>17468716
>>17468657
>No Ken Anger
>No Pascal Laugier
>No Clive Barker
>No Rodney Ascher
>No Tarkovskiy
>etc.

>>17468774
Can't forget Gilliam and Pratchett

>>17468803
>Clive Barker tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbqz_PW-Rhw

>>17468822
>dubs
>my eyes! the googles they do nothing!
>saya no uta

>Clint Mansell tho
https://youtu.be/SLJllk-0o6c

>>17468822
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eea8W6g-5OU

>>17468865
>implying I don't Clint Mansell
I think you forget who you're dealing with :^)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlFVsldoz8k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAEQuE-ygjA
I used to eat dexamps and crank these shits when I was but a wee edgeling.

>>17468882
Get!

>>17468894
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4XidFz3NIg

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>>17468866
>DUBS!

It's been so long since I saw pie that I forgot it exists. It's a small wonder how much media implies that the other side of the abyss is just madness and death.

>>17468915
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaLLy-U8MkI

>>17468922
To a normalfag, I guess it would be.

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>>17468953
>that's a bad trip

https://youtu.be/2n-Es5VLpLE

>>17468968
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hZFP6vUiX4

>>17468984
How is aghori doing?

>>17469012
I dunno, don't have his contact info.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sI8ohPTzIE

>>17464391
You're already doing that just by living.

>>17469020
>hour and half
>episode 27

Worth the time?

>>17469020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjz-J4Tq218

>>17469021
The problem arises when someone rejects either conception at some point through life.

This produces whitelighters and edgelords.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uymNkBuR-SY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_64Qv0jV_PY

>>17469029
That one is if you're high as a kite on philosophy. Entities one is p. good too. May be a bit more up your alley.

>>17468774

>Ken Anger

Do you think he secretly runs Hollywood?

>>17469201
No, not at all, why?
You figure if he controlled Hollywood he wouldn't have slept on LaVey's couch for three years for the air conditioning.

>>17463383
I've been trying to learn more about the occult lately as I find it interesting. What are some basic ideas and books I should look into before I start taking it seriously. Also if anyone would care to share with me what they consider to be important about occultism it would be appreciated.

>>17469210

I just remembered some VC articles and a schizo video on YouTube about crazy synchronicities connecting Anger to Helter Skelter and whatnot. Some sound MK ULTRA manipulation conspiracy.

fuck i'm sleepy

Btw, what's your opinion on Gene Wolfe? All the articles about him mention that he is heavily influenced by Catholicism, but in his books he drops A LOT or ferences to Kabbalah and Egyptian stuff. Some of the densest prose i ever read, too.

>>17469254
>I just remembered some VC articles and a schizo video on YouTube about crazy synchronicities connecting Anger to Helter Skelter and whatnot. Some sound MK ULTRA manipulation conspiracy.
Oh, he totally spent time around Solar Lodge, it's where me met Marjorie Cameron. Manson and LaVey used to come to the parties at Solar Lodge.

>Gene Wolfe
I heard of the cat but don't think I've actually read the man.

>>17469249
Anything in the 'beginners' folder.

>>17468822
Tfw my mom encouraged me to read Abarat when I was <=10

>>17469271
>>17469249
Pople give too much credit to Manson, he was simply an ex-convict with too much charisma for his own good that developed a following of idiots with mental problems. He didn't had any idea of what was going on, and had these ridiculous paranoid delusions of racial war that led to him freaking out, and the rest of the family reacting accordingly. In the end, the killings were all orquestrated by his followers, he just followed them along because he was a sociopath with no idea of when to stop. To say Anger had anything to do with it is absurd, Manson was unstable from before he had even got to jail.

>>17469387
My mother handed me Books of Blood at like 8 or 9.

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Hey guys, what do you think about this?:
http://headforred.blogspot.cl/2016/03/left-hand-path-consortium-removes.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+HeadForTheRed+%28Head+For+the+Red%29
Looks like Augustus is getting too real for his own good.

>>17469427
>Pople give too much credit to Manson
I'd be, roughly, inclined to agree.

>He didn't have any idea what was going on
So that's why he only took half or quarter doses of acid while feeding the Senpai handfuls?

>paranoid delusions
There's reason to suspect the Helter Skelter theory was not a core Senpai doctrine but rather a singular rant or exercise fixated on by the girls and used as a tool by Vinny B. to help shut down the hippy culture, one of his stated intentions while running for office. To support this, films were confirmed to have been removed from Roman's home showing he and Tate engaged in orgies. Some alleging to have viewed the film reels claim Manson's girls were in them. The Tate/Labianca murder makes, like, waaaay more sense given Chuck's habits in dealing with debt (the ear he took).

>the killings were orchestrated by his followers
Sorta; I'd imagine the vast majority of the build up was Tex and the hens squawking about how to get them phat stacks out of the rich Hollywood perverts.

>to say Anger had anything to do with it
He was at parties at Solar Lodge. So was Chuck. So was Lavey and like fifty or so other regulars. You can say they occupied the same physical location for a few hours a few times without it equating to a huge conspiracy. This is SoCal in the fuckin' late 60's, everyone knew and was probably porking everyone else.

And let's not forget that Bobby B. was tapped to do music for Lucifer Rising.

>>17469460
senpia?

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>>17469435
OH MY FUCKING FUCK I'M SICK OF HEARING ABOUT THIS GUY GODFUCKIN'DAMN

I'm astounded he's relevant enough to merit this much comment from the community. Dude's got too much of a hooker and blow problem to get elected, and nowhere near enough actual magickal ideas or concepts to fill out a whole lecture without it being a full blown libertarian circlejerk.

>>17469471
Fucking F-a-m because I didn't want to type out Family in full, I forget the thing's filtered still.

>>17469472
>>17469435

>a Libertarian senatorial candidate from Florida

I think that's the new pc way of saying mongoloid

>>17469429
Noice, we bl00d bros. Wanna be my RS twin? I'll trim ur armor

>>17469487
Yeah, he was going to go stay with one of the really old guard OTO cats for a week or so as he passed through the location, some years ago.

The old timer told me he would not shut his fucking mouth about whores and coke the entire time, and was like genuinely offended that the old timer was over his party days.

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>>17469492
>mfw my first conscious sexual awakening was getting a boner reading New Murders at the Rue Morgue where the fuckin' ape gets all high, tears off its lips, then rapes the chesty redhead.
Really I'm astounded I didn't wind up with extreme fetishes from all the early Barker.

>>17469460
>Vinny B
>Senpai
Lol

>To support this, films were confirmed to have been removed from Roman's home showing he and Tate engaged in orgies. Some alleging to have viewed the film reels claim Manson's girls were in them. The Tate/Labianca murder makes, like, waaaay more sense given Chuck's habits in dealing with debt (the ear he took).
What is your source? I'm genuinly interested.

>>17469501
He sounds like a true ass. He may be asking for a good ol' punch in the face tho.

>>17469510
I remember having orgasms when I was <=7

u l8 breh

>>17469516
The sex tapes are common enough knowledge to get mentioned in "Sharon Tate: A Life" but that specific info's been floating around for decades, I'm not exactly sure where I first heard the allegation that Chuck's girls were in some of the reels - it's hard for me to narrow a search on the terms, all the relevant girls were at the murder scene and again it's common knowledge that fucktapes were confiscated from the estate so I'd really have to hunt for a minute to pull out anything concrete.

>>17469548
The theory may route through Barry Dubin:
>This was revenge for a drug burn. Sebring was burned for a couple grand on a cocaine deal. Three days before the murders the alleged perpetuator of the burn was held at Mama Cass Elliots house where in front of about 25 people he was stripped, whipped, . and videobuggered. Revenge is what followed. In addition, it was believed that Tate would not be home that night. As far as LaBianca, he was in debt to shady figures over bets on horseracing and had $200,000 missing from his grocery company. On the Tate murders investigators were all over the place on motive because so many people had a problem with with one or two of the housesitters, and perhaps RM as well. The deeper one digs the less plausible random Helter Skelter is, even if that is what Charlie sold it as.
That said...
>the only verified videotape in existence in the one that was found in the Cielo loft after the murders -- the one of Sharon and Roman. If any of these other tapes existed, don't you think someone somewhere -- an author or reporter or anyone with deep enough pockets -- beyond the alleged participants would have seen it and/or widely distributed it before more than four decades have passed.
Though, I wouldn't begrudge a 1969 police department from quietly disposing of 16mm films of hardcore bifuck Hollywood funtimes with the perps, especially if it served a political agenda to withhold them.

Anyone else here into Decadology or Lemurian time sorcery?

>>17469610
>Decadology
Depends on what you actually mean by that statement.

>Lemurian
>Blavatsky abusing a theory undermined into oblivion by plate tectonics.

Who's got a good copy of the Chaldean Oracles?

>>17469633
http://sacred-texts.com/eso/coz/index.htm

>>17469632

By Decadology I mean the game of Decadence:
http://www.ccru.net/digithype/pandemonium.htm

>>17469643
>Nick Land
I'd read way more Nick Land if I were ok winding up like Nick Land. Something went sideways for the guy. Can't put my finger on where or how but I've read a few blogs about his descent into full blown Neoreaction. His essay in Collapse was stellar.

I think it'd be a good case study to see how someone as talented in mystical philosophy as Land goes from New Kabbalah to giving Moldbug blowy-joeys in lecture green-rooms.

>>17469609
Wow, thanks for the info. Sounds like stuff good enough to make a movie about it.

Also, I am thinking into finally getting into Goetia. Is there good commentaries on the subject? The book is straightforward enough, but I don't know if doing daily LBRP can supply the lack of proper initiation (I don't like any of the local rosicrucian organizations, they seem like a bunch of old hippies to me).

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Actual Zoroastrian here if anyone has any questions.

>>17469672
Iranian, Indian, or other?

Tell me literally everything you know about Mt. Cafcuh or Zahak's mother.

I want the world and I want it NOW

>>17469665
You'll be fine. I like Henson's Lemegeton.
Invokation to the Bornless One as per Crowley and others serves just fine as a substitute for initiation, old Lemegeton wasn't an initiatory practice as far as we can tell.

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>>17469691
>pull up vid for a reply
>pewdiepie advert plays
Anyone got a lethal dose of morphine I can borrow? I only need it for a second.

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>>17469691
Ok.

>>17469696
Thanks a lot. I'm actually drawing upon Henson's book (it was in the library after all). My only doubt is, is there any problem with not using the traditional hebrew characters when making the actual circle? The one suggested in the book uses latin characters.

>>17469706
As long as the godnames are inscribed, or fuck, even called out, you'll be kosher.

Proper use is chalk on stone, poorfags or those short on space, etc., will usually put it on a sheet or some such thing. I've devised some preliminary evokations meant to substitute for a circle.

Tinker around, you'll figure out a way that works for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGA6p_j9ulA

>>17469684

Other. I'm a *GASP!* convert who went through his initiation and everything.

Mt. Cafcuh, the mountain of legend? It's supposed to be in Chechnya if it's real. It's supposed to be an outpost of ancient sorcerers in myth, many Zoroastrian (in the Mazdakian sense), but who refused to abide by state Zoroastrianism. Pro-Reform types like me tend to lean towards that interpretation.

As to Zahhak, depends on which one.

>>17469727
>convert
HAHAHAHAhahahahahahahaha

>who went through his initiation
Oh, shit, for srs? Who the fuck OK'd that? You have a father in the cult?

>Zahhak
Anthropomorphic dragon-prince-human as opposed to the older full blown dragon in Yasna 9 and later mythical human villain. Anything in general helps.

>Cafcuh
Are you aware the stunning similarities between Cafcuh and Mt. Hermon of the Books of Enoch?

what's the opinion here of low magic, kitchen witchcraft, and the like?

>>17469727

To elaborate further, "Pro-Reform types" are usually ones not influenced by Hinduism or Indian custom like the Parsis and the Ultra-Conservatives. We're more Iranian in thought and lean more towards the way older stories passed down in oracular fashion. Also, most of the Avesta should be viewed as the biggest attack on Zoroaster's legacy. The Gathas are wonderful, they're pure, they're excellent. The Yasnas are kinda fine too.

>>17469742
Whatever.
I'd still use Kabbalistic standardization, but, like, whatever man.

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So I take it this is /omg/-core now? Manson lived in Laurel Canyon for a good while.

>>17469745
>Gathas
Good translations? I got the shit in Old Avestan but that does me zero good unless I get to crackin' on learning that.

>>17469740

Don't tell me you seriously believe that the Zoroastrians don't accept converts. Literally every Zoroastrian I know except a grumpy old Parsi dude I met supports conversion. Zoroaster spoke of conversion in the Gathas!

On Cafcuh, considering I used to be a Traditionalist Catholic big on Catholic esoteria, yes, I'm very aware! I'm glad I'm not the only one to notice that!

Oh, that one. You're not speaking of Wadag's kid, then? Just want to make sure. There's a fascinating story I heard after my conversion when the old folks were telling me old tales passed down and one of them involved Zahhak if you're interested.

>>17463908
The signs used to designate the Grades are usually enough, especially considering the G.'. D.'. origins of the A.'. A.'. Order. See footnote*

>>17469705
I feel ya man. I don't know how such a being can still be alive and be that annoying. It's a mystery.

*Within the Outer Order, this is more likely the case. One would show membership by making one's grade sign, but this is not a hard and fast rule. The theory is that the Second Order, called S.'. S.'. is quite another "beast" altogether. I can't tell if that's the truth or just bait to get you to advance further. I'll know in due time though.

>>17469727
Look up Digital Dictionaries of South Asia and you'll love me, I promise you.

>>17469757
>Oh, that one. You're not speaking of Wadag's kid, then? Just want to make sure. There's a fascinating story I heard after my conversion when the old folks were telling me old tales passed down and one of them involved Zahhak if you're interested.
REEEEEEEEEEE JUST SPILL YOUR LINEAL SECRETS FOR ME GODDAMN IT
>(^:

Oh, also, where/how do I find the funerary rites for Towers of Silence?

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>>17469753

Namefaggin' now. So, translations of any part of the Avesta are ridiculous and really depend on where you lean on things. The only ones of the Gathas worth reading online are here:

http://www.zoroastrian.org/GathaSongs/index.htm (Pro-Reformist, Originalist bent)
http://www.avesta.org/ (Conservative, Academic bent)

The only physical copy worth buying is this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Gathas-Zarathushtra-Hymns-Praise-Wisdom/dp/1890206091/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1458019963&sr=8-5

>>17469746
>says the witch

>>17469742
They're not really the same discussion.
While there is overlap in places, the focus of the two is almost wholly different.

A lot of people interpret low magic to be "lesser" because its "low" but the reference is not in relation to it's place in a heirarchy, but in its focus.

We really need a witchcraft/low magic general kind of thing too.

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Just meditated on this. I feel weird, almost like I'm tripping

Also why are nonagons so fun to draw

>>17469764
>Look up Digital Dictionaries of South Asia and you'll love me, I promise you.
Bookmarked, thanks.

>>17469773
Oddly enough I don't think I had looked through that first one, been very slowly picking through Avesta.org for the last ten years, at least.

>>17469767

Y'know, Zoroastrians believe that destroying ignorance contributes towards the Cosmic Battle in the favor of the Wise Lord, so I have no problem with this.

Zahhak was actually believed to have been created by a cabal of mobeds seeking a way to make an incarnate form of the old druj "gods" so that they could show how powerless the daevas actually are. Apparently, it didn't work and Zahhak is actually still out there somewhere, either as some sort of badass anti-hero trying to figure out its own existence or something more akin to Al-Khidr.

>>17469742
Wicca is for plebian scum and the only acceptable "witchcraft" is Streghoneria, German Braucherei, and rootwork/hoodoo. Everything else is not worth your time. Wicca shamelessly stole from the Gnostic Mass and thus is more contemptible for it. Change not a letter of Liber A-L. Not hard as far as I can tell.

>>17469802

The Zoroastrian Assembly is pretty great. I also recommend reading the articles on there written by the sitemaster and reading the founder of the Reform movement's crucial work, Homage unto Ahura Mazda. Story has it that he wrote it after conducting a really ancient magian ritual similar to the one Zoroaster Spitama may have used to "hear" Ahura Mazda.

http://www.zarathushtra.com/z/article/dhalla/index.htm

>>17469785
i'd love to have a witchcraft/low magic general, but i don't know how much demand there would be for it on this board. i wouldn't mind participating in an experimental general in an attempt to gauge interest.

>>17469830
>>17469785
Compile a library and go for it. If you need sources I still have the link for the torrent which has about 30 gigs of wicca material and more of all else. This is /x/ though so for at least the first few threads you're going to be hosting for everyone rationalist troll and edgy anti theist. Also this is /x/ and witchcraft thread is going to be painfully full of rping until they figure out you're trying to be serious.

>>17469815
as a rootworker, I think the list of "acceptables" there is a little short. The truth is many of these systems have been sharing things for probably thousands of years, they sort of run together, and if you deeply understand one or two of them, they all make sense.
That said, Im not a fan of wicca either as it is disingenuous, if not outright plagiary which inevitably corrupts the potency of the work.

>>17469830
I think the trick to doing it, is specifying what it is for, and explaining how it is different than /omg/ and why in order to keep it cohesive and intelligent while avoiding the inevitable stupidity the subject can bring up.

>>17469815
>Change not a letter of Liber A-L
>manuscript says Liber L, not Liber AL.

Cultus Sabbati is fine too.

>>17469811
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCcccccck, seriously?

Still wanna hear about them Towers of Silence. I wanna know what the rites for the dead were as the year progressed, and how much contact there was with bone, for example if it was used in any capacity for ritual purposes or if they all got swept into the central pit.

Was it thought that "demons" lived in the central pits?

Studying Korean Shamanism, Shinto, and Shenism in China. It's amazing stuff, to be sure. The Koreans and the Japanese both worship gods and call their religion "The Way of the Gods" in a similar sounding name. Also, a lot of the shamans are female in both, historically and in modern times. I kind of wish I knew Korean, so I could study these people more closely. I've been trying to learn both Korean, Japanese, and Chinese to no real avail. It's not easy to do that, which is why I'll probably never infiltrate their number. Long live Joseon-guk!

>>17469851
>how much contact there was with bone
Thoth what is this bone obsession, is this something from CS?

>>17469851
>Cultus Sabbati
What is that?

>>17469851
AL has the meaning of "god" in Hebrew, which is why it is more fitting of a book such as Liber AL vel Legis. It places it firmly in the same stream as that of the Torah and the Gospels. It's a book for a people not bound by a canon of laws, but by a harsher code to "Do what thou wilt" and nothing more.

>>17469853
I forgot to mention here that the shamans are initiated by sickness, which kind of limits how far one can go. One can watch a gut, but not be initiated. I am a bit disappointed. I would like to be the foremost authority on as many mystical traditions as I can, but it seems some are just impenetrable fortresses.

>>17469881
>initiated by sickness
Explain.

>>17469851

Ugh, the Vendidad. Horrible text, created some super cool customs like the Towers, but even Zoroaster was interred. I don't know much about the rites (though one of the folks I know must have them somewhere...), but keep in mind they may have popped up as late as the birth of Islam or possibly even later. As to what conventional Zoroastrian thought says about the ossuary pits, no demons and there are stories of folks collecting the ash there to be used in their sacred fires.

>>17469881
>It places it firmly in the same stream as that of the Torah and the Gospels
I'd be way more quick to place Libri 65&7 over there, besides, there's a decent chance L was an after-the-fact recreation.

Cultus Sabbati is a group founded by Andrew Chumbley who was working on his Ph.D. in History, he put together this odd synchretic witchcraft group as a project working with the Typhonians. He's got some really obscure chains of initiations, like via the Kaula, etc., and I have very strong suspicions he was A.'.A.'.

May I ask if you're newish here?

>>17469896
The shaman endures a kind of sickness of the spirit, which is hard to really nail down. Most people would call it a psychological disorder of some sort, but it is not exactly that. The sickness is a crisis that the Shaman comes out of by means of initiation - usually through a rite called a gut. One has to be struck by this sickness and come out of it to be considered a full shaman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp7yVicJMz8

>>17469921
>May I ask, are you a bit new here?
Kind of, but I've seen you folks around a lot. I think we should properly introduce ourselves.

>Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

I'm a guy who loves esoteric subjects and just thought I'd post in one of these threads. I collect books. I drink coffee by the bucket. I'm a Thelemite with a bit of a sense of humor, hence the "name" on here. I wouldn't want to disrespect the memory of the real Perdurabo though. He was greater than I in a lot of ways.

>>17469945
Love is the law, love under will.

I've been here for a few years, if you notice I have the Yorke Microfilms of the Warburg collection up there. I'm a Thelemite too. Sorta Caliphate and A.'.A.'.

I ask because I don't wanna offend by my questioning the veracity of L, (which I do accept, just the words, not the myth of Cairo), and Cultus Sabbati's been a topic that's only cropped up in the last year or so, because they dropped Dragon Book of Essex, so I sorta have the expectation that are regular followers know a wee bit about CS.

>>17469959
>I ask because I don't wanna offend by my questioning the veracity of L, (which I do accept, just the words, not the myth of Cairo)
Well that's fine. No offense is really to be had. I think that the idea of calling the Book "Liber AL" is just a really lazy way to mention it, as far as my use of it goes. I also kind of like the Hebrew connection, but it's not something I'll give too much of a whit about. As for the Vision and the Voice, there's a book worth splitting hairs about.

>Cultus Sabbati's been a topic that's only cropped up in the last year or so, because they dropped Dragon Book of Essex, so I sorta have the expectation that are regular followers know a wee bit about CS.
Do they sell books for huge sums of money? If so, that might be why the name didn't stick really. I've heard of them, but the Latin threw me off for some reason. I'm turning into a Chinkophile and forgetting my European pride.

>>17469926
huh, last time I came across shaman sickness it was in talking with (nordic I think) shaman who claimed that they got sick when they weren't doing their job and taking care of their community. "The heal is to heal". And all that.

>>17469843
>>17469847
i feel like i don't have enough knowledge to write a good OP properly explaining what low magic is and why /wlmg/ should be separate from /omg/, but i could start collecting digital versions of good resources and stick them in a mega folder/pastebin. that could be quite fun, actually, since i could use those resources for myself as well.

>>17469986
Shinbyeong is a serious thing, but it is the call to be a shaman in the tradition.

>>17469959
I forgot to address this part, but what the hell.

>Caliphate and A.'. A.'.
I've been an aspirant to the A.'. A.'. and can't claim to be anything else, unfortunately. I think the whole idea of grades is over emphasized by people who don't know any better. Study of Enochian Magick basically made that easy to see, as well as other sources like OSIS and the Equinox. That isn't to say that the grades don't have a point, but that all are aspirants of some kind. I've had some crazy experiences with stuff like Resh and even Liber O. I can't believe I forgot about that one, but I had to think a bit. That's what happens when you stop reading about a subject. It just goes poof...gone!

>>17469994
Here's the torrent. It is exceptionally large for a torrent, and while probably cause your torrent client to hang for several minutes when you first try to load it.
https://mega.nz/#!1kVngAzL!BB2uMNTteMYfPet8MsmJBHmwgqbk7PAVg-jpctRQ-oc

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Anger

with musical score by Jagger

and a special guest appearance by ..

>>17470113
Oh look, its some sort of deranged clown.

>those horns
Is he crazy? He's crazy for sure. Pan had horns, but was never evil. Even the pitchfork comes from Shiva. I'm laughing pretty hard at this, whoever it is.

>>17470014
>>17469976
>>17469945
Dropping this name, mostly because I prefer this one better. Has a nice ring to it. I might go back to posting with no name, but we'll see.

>Satanism
Not really my cup of tea, but I do enjoy a bit of Rebelais every now and then.

>>17470113
poor kitty :(

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That's it, folks.

>>17469696
It goes hand in hand with ars paulina. So yes, initiatory.

>>17470031
thanks, friend! i might weed through the wicca stuff to make sure there's not any obviously untrue shit (especially any books with history sections) since a lot of wicca is rife with that, but this will make for a great start.

>>17469881
>AL has the meaning of "god" in Hebrew, which is why it is more fitting of a book such as Liber AL vel Legis. It places it firmly in the same stream as that of the Torah and the Gospels. It's a book for a people not bound by a canon of laws, but by a harsher code to "Do what thou wilt" and nothing more.

Lamed. Balance. Method of science, aim of religion.

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>>17470147
Horns?

>>17470270
Good point.

Sup, lads. I'm looking for something like a primer on the (K/Q)abbalah.
Anyone have recommendations for something accessible to read?

>>17469896
>>17469926
I'm a little late, but the general idea is that you have to die to be reborn a shaman. Sometimes it's a frail childhood that detaches you from this world, if briefly. Usually it's, as you say, a psychological sickness or existential crisis. In certain microcultures, it's a sickness unique to them, a culture bound syndrome or somatic disorder similar to hwabyeong or koro, except it is more the symptoms of a meme to induce shamanism. Powerful shit. At least this is what I've gathered from people with more degrees, deaths, or time climbing the tree on spectral battlecats than I.

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>>17470879
Dion Fortune - mystical qabala
Israel Regardie- tree of life
Meditation and kabbalah - Aryeh Kaplan
All three are in the beginner folder of the mega, any or all of them is a good place to start.

>>17470905
Talk about doing initiation the hard way. Still better than being buried alive.

>>17470939
It's either death or a thing that stimulates death. The Freemasons used to throw you down a well and call it initiation.

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>>17470944
Some of those wells were awesome though

Trying to astral project all i get to is the spinning n my head and it usually stops after a bit, i try to imagine myself rising and that occasionally works for a bit, but not long

so have any of you done anything legit magical?

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>>17463383
Illuminati is a word created by Jews. The "group" was invented after WWII so that people would stop looking at Jews. Hitler ordered the death of the Jews because they did not believe in Jesus Christ.
>Hey you guys don't believe in christ?
uhhh oh hey look at what the secret group over there is doing!
>What oh hey they are satan worshipers!
Yup they are, not us Jews

>>17471143
I made a baby stop crying.

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>>17471289
Yeah, about that...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Weishaupt
>6 February 1748 – 18 November 1830

The rituals of Weishaupts Illuminati have been available in English for about a year and a half. There's a copy sitting on my shelf. Care to point out which rituals and where that are Satanic...y'know, between all the Docetism and Biblical quotation ala Freemasonry.

I mean it's a cute theory you've got there, but historical record and academic analysis plainly show the Bavarian Perfectibilists were suppressed to the point of extinction by the Prince.

The most popular survival theory has been debunked a bajillion times, as the dude writing Prooves doesn't know the names of the people he's writing about and pulled the contents of the letters out of his asshole.

>>17471289
It totally had nothing to do with Jewish communists and anarchists destabilizing the German government and bleeding the economy dry. Good goy, believe the Jewish propaganda that disguises the truth and go back to /pol/ or cite some sources.

>>17471399
The belief that Jesus is God, the Son of God, or a person of the Trinity, is incompatible with Jewish theology. Jews believe Jesus did not fulfill messianic prophecies that establish the criteria for the coming of the messiah.

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>>17471289

If you gonna drag the Jew shit into /omg/, at least refer to them in an according fashion - Sabbateans/Frankists/Saturn worhsippers.

Besides, William Milton Cooper's and Carroll Quigley's and Michal Trsarion's and heaps upon heaps of other researchers demonstrated that while some of their elites are complicit, it's only a part of what's going on.

Man, I remember when being a conspicy nut was about reading A LOT OF BOOKS, listening a lot of radio, and doing cross-reference like crazy, instead of spouting off second-hand memes and misinterpreted assumptions.

You remember human beings? I remember human beings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F17OsLiTzg

>>17471389
I said nothing about free masons. They have nothing to do with Illuminati. If anyone here can show me any actual proof of illuminati I will go away. But until then let us discuss how stupid this whole thing sounds. First off I want to say I know there is a group of "elite" that "rule" the world. These could be masons they could be something else, but they are not Illuminati. Illuminati.am is one of the first things I want all of you to look at.

>>17471389
>The rituals of Weishaupts Illuminati have been available in English

Didn't you or someone else scan that in? Where it at doe

>>17471465
>reading alot of books
We have internet now all the books are on there
>listening to alot of radio
WTF are you from like 1940? There is something wrong with you.

>>17471482
>They have nothing to do with Illuminati
The middle three degrees of the Bavarian Illuminati grade structure are a condensation of Scottish Rite.

Read the fuckin' rituals and stop shitposting.

>>17471490
I have a scan of the intro that's missing a few pages. Scanner I was using nuked and I haven't run out for another, then I lent it out. Now it's back on my shelf, but I'm still out a scanner, probably through summer.

>>17471513
>Read the fuckin' rituals and stop shitposting.
Here, I'll do you one better, a direct link to the translations:
http://www.lewismasonic.co.uk/the-secret-school-of-wisdom-the-authentic-rituals-and-doctrine-of-the-illuminati.htm

If you doubt them you can check them against the scans of the German documents in their original 18th c. format which are in my Freemasonry folder.

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>>17471513
>The middle three degrees of the Bavarian Illuminati grade structure are a condensation of >Bavarian Illuminati grade structure
You assume you know what that is. HAHA talk about shitposting. What does this even mean. OWLS ILLUMINATI GRADE STATUE!!!! You are fucking retarded newfag

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>>17471518
>in my freemasonry folder
>Not illuminati folder

>>17471521
Well, yeah, because the grades have been a matter of public record for over a century in German and have been available to academics in English translation since Wages and Singh's publication. Academic papers are citing it.

I'd suggest you open up your journal proxy, punch in some keywords, and refute their validations of these materials, if you think you actually have an academically serious case.

>>17471535
>public records.....
>Secret organization
>papers citing it
Where they at doe?

Something doesn't add up here are you really believing the words coming from your fingertips to the keyboard?

>>17471525
Subfolder within the Freemasonic folder...did you even look?

>>17471541
>Where they at doe?
Do you not have access to a journal fetching service through your university?

If you mean the original dox, if I'm not mistaken they're in a national museum in Germany somewhere, more papers keep coming out of the woodwork, Secret School was pushed back half a year to add a few newly discovered papers, and I bet with this edition in English the field of Illuminatology is going to explode, we've already had a crop of essays come through.

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>>17471571
>They exist I swear
>I cannot produce
>>17471563
Oh thanks here it is.

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>>17471580
>>17471605

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>>17471643
cool story bro

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>>17471662
>Lets find symbolism in everything
See the cross?

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>>17471662

>>17471709
>>17471716
You're the one who posted Men who Stare at Goats, my pic's from the First Earth Battalion handbook.

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>>17471743
Yes in response to your super cryptic secret society picture>>17471643
You cant win. You have no proof. Everything is just told to people by other people. You fear a group you cannot even prove.
>first earth battalion
Wow you are not involved are you?"NEW WORLD ARMY"

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>>17471716
literally the luxor pyramid off vegas
what other clues in that video?

>>17471757
Who said I fear them.

And they've been an object of academic discourse for years, do you really want me to pull out what record numbers or citations I can find?

>you are not involved are you
That'd be because Perfectibilism's been dead for a few hundred years mate, I'll go thumb through Secret School and see what they're citing in the forward and endpages.

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>>17471794
Here's a link for part one of the scan from when I was working on the project, p. sure it's just introductory material and missing a couple pages:
https://mega.nz/#!lQgz1JrC!4n7_K-YCkJxDFbqTF09O3CcbS4Nuj5PwkksQMnrvVjc

In any case it's incredibly thoroughly cited and verified by the academic community on the subject. If you have a problem with them, again, present your findings to a journal and see if you can get published, or even refute some claims of modern Illuminist scholars.

Here's a page. Pic related.

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>>17471810
>>17471831
>>17471837
>>17471838
>>17471841
>>17471846
>>17471851
>All books are truthful 100%
>Pic related
>Secret school of wisdom
>has a book
>not a secret

What the fuck is even going on here, what this sitposter is trying to say?

Man, shitposting rustles my jimmies to the max sometimes.

>>17470905
This is entirely accurate to the best of my knowledge. I think the idea is that because the person has sort of slipped over to the "other side" (via a near death illness, madness, etc.) and come back, they have a sort of hotline to the spirit realm.

Different cultures treat this differently but it seems to be a common element that a shaman has a special connection due to their brush with the great beyond.

Harner discusses this extensively, as does Castaneda obviously. Its also discussed in "Aboriginal Men of High Degree" by Elkin, though that one is a very dry scholastic examination that Im not sure always conveys the emotional and spiritual context to the people.

>>17470939
>Talk about doing initiation the hard way. Still better than being buried alive.
Some still practice that. Notably some afro-carribean diaspora houses, I'd actually really value that experience personally.

>>17470944
>It's either death or a thing that stimulates death.
The simulation of death is important initiatory symbolism so that you can be 'reborn' An ACTUAL brush with death in some manner (required in most shamanic practices) is a different matter though. One is under your control one is not. They're related practices but I think it's not fair to state that they are the same.

The initiatory simulated death you experience, the shamanic death you survive.

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>>17471771
Sorry I forgot about you.... Does not look like the luxor though. There are alot of clues in this particular video.

>>17471891
It'd be cool if you could, y'know, actually make a coherent assertion against the timeline presented instead of greentexting like you're in some super seekrit powerful group and know better than an entire field of academic inquiry.

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>>17472001
I do not need to. Showed you why your argument is not valid? I have no argument other than no one can produce any actual proof. Any "proof" you have is not proof at all.

>>17472010

roleplaying shitposter pls leave, this a book club session, the thread about whether the illuminati or reptilians are real is over there

>>17466073

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>>17472029
>bookclub
>trip/name fags circle jerk
Before I leave here is a picture of my pin anyone know that building? I tried to help but NOOOOOOO

>>17472053
Help by vague shitposting, greentext, and sarcasm?

If you had any kind of case against the material you'd have posted it already.

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>>17472010
except youve never left your basement and been to the jungle dumbass

nor the ice

spooky-as-fuck.com

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>>17472010
google nephilim cave malta
malta is home of white snake people

>>17472109
>>17472116
both images (nepal mask) and rake match the drawing of the shooter perfectly, except the color

wtf. look at the nose and shape of head of both.

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>>17472010
there is actually proof. heres sightings from just last month: http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/17417243/#17417243

all got 0 responses
>even the reptilian skeletons
>and 9-15 other reptilian sightings videos

just because you havent seen the proof doesnt mean there is proof

>theres so much proof, the fact you havent seen any of it implies the whole world is a controlled matrix

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>>17472136
heres the govenor jessie venture standing in front of the US seal

let me just flip that for you

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>>17472136
>>17472151
Care to talk about any of the materials in the OP or are you just here to spam about reptoids?

>>17471942
surprisingly high quality post for one of these threads, bravo.

>>17471125
That's not exactly a good method for it. Play around with this book for a while first. https://mega.nz/#!kgExGTrJ!W3H0Tx9arGc5eJMeXidnVW1pGTwLA1-3gYWDQxZg5eI

>>17471143
Does surviving without blood-flow for 30 minutes count?

>>17471463
He didn't, he wasn't even descended from David. Near every person alive today is closer to fulfilling the prophecies than jesus was.

>>17471465
>>17471465
>Everything is under control
I think that dichotomy has always existed. Those with the near manic desire to research and make connections even if tenuous, the Wilsons of the world; and the political esotericist who will believe anything so long as it makes them feel special and above all the "sheep".
https://youtu.be/5ZjfYKV8C6g

>>17471521
Owls are somehow evil now?

>>17471716
>Basic geometric shapes everywhere! >illumernaty!
https://youtu.be/5ZjfYKV8C6g?t=58s

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>>17472116
You mean these?

make a fucking irc
ill go in
no fuckin monkeys or chimps
where's my fucking optttiiii
@hush.ai on a lo

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>>17472181
no

How is that there are so much thelemic movement in Belgrado and the East Countries?? There´s even some supposed legitim A.'. A.'. schools... What´s the origin of this?

Zoroastrian guy, is Asha a masculine or feminine noun?

>>17469912
>>17469825

just make an irc
I feel like things can be broken if we connect together no tulpa
build me

>>17472209
If it's like most Indic languages, then it's a masculine noun.

theres an et that makes ur penis larger

>>17472226
I don't know the details on Old Avestan. I assume so but I wanna ask someone who is In The Know.

>>17472208
Jungkirth worked really hard to spread Thelema east of Germany. He's gone now, but the legacy still remains.

someones penis is gonna be the size of someones leg brycee

>>17471513
Scan it before I cuck your grampa

Never read much but I welcome suggestions. I recently tripped on acid on a moon eclipse and performed magic I can expand if anyone's interested

>>17472628
Anyone can do drugs. Can you do drugs without drugs?

Is the Gateways Through Stone and Circle included in the massive mega link?

Sooo... can you people actually do any magic, or is this all confirmation bias and pretentiousness???

>>17472808
Don't think I heard of it.

>>17472628
Unless you're Terence McKenna reinfuckin'carnated, I'm cool.

>>17472810
every thread

Thanks for the libraries, been grooving on some of Surgo's shit, gonna read the JSK and zoroastrian stuff from The Temple after i finish the library books i got due soon.

y'all know if there's any good records of folks intentionally using hypnosis tech in a magic context? Not like in Surgo's 'define hypnosis broadly and it subsumes the field of magic', but in the sense of using techniques devised and developed by hypnosis practitioners in magical operations? Say, to rapidly set up an elaborate ritual environment psychologically for a ritual, or to attain yogic trances, ease astral travel etc.

>>17473070
yeah, but see it from their perspective, if you didn't know anything about this shit and saw people talking about doing magic, wouldn't you ask "can you actually do magic", or if your feeling less charitable, "do you actually think you can do magic"?

>>17473070
You know, at first I just thought Chumbles was being edgy when he called them the Profane, but then I realized he was also right. Especially as they are all so autistic as to be ignorant of any metaphor, often willfully so, all the while spilling irony on the floor like a drunk hipster with a yardlong PBR when they try to talk about confirmation biases and pretentiousness. Almost, but not quite entirely unlike self aware.

>>17473158
Wow. That was a load of shit

>>17473158
>shitposting Pabst.
I miss when it was just Olde Style in a different can.

>>17473155
Yeah I made magic rings linked to specific hypnotic states and it saves hours of rolling around in the floor and getting candlewax everywhere. Also dressed up basic hypnosis with my own idolatry to make it more personally effective.

>>17473173
Well now it tastes like pisswater and gives me a headache after the first one. Not that it does the job as I transcended hipsterdom and trade craft beer for stuff I make. Mostly landscapes, also erotic watercolors.

>>17473164
All for that (You) bby. Well, that and I'm right. If it were shit you could refute it but I used an analogy so it probably went entirely over your head. You've pretty much walked into an anthropology thread and asked if culture is real or an English class and asked if grammar or real, or a /lit/ thread and stated that you can, in fact, know something while quoting the Cartesian.

>>17473260
The bottom line is that you cannot provide anything to support that magick or the occult can produce verifiable results. I see through your stupid analogies and cryptic jargon.

>>17473271
I can tell my apprentice (not you, you have the wrong karma and parents that are related) what I did and he can verify my results. You can, in fact know something, and that is how it is done.

>>17473271
Even if the psychological model is right and it's all in your head, then it can still be measured via qualitative interview and survey.

Wanna help devise instruments for inquiry? We can use "Neurotheology" and "Kabbalah: A Neurocognitive Approach" and a few measures I found a few years back w/r/t dreams and spiritual content as our baselines, and if I we can get it past human testing, past prephase, past, etc., and can publication nibbles I'll give your name first, before mine, in the citation.

>>17471851
Holy shit this is a bad scan. R u sum kinda half wit m8

>>17473293
>93
>sentence that mangled
wew lad

>and if I/we can get it
>past prephase, past etc.,
>and can get publication nibbles

I'll do you one better, I'll foot the bill for first pass editing too :^)

>>17473290
Put a curse on me faggot and watch nothing happen.

>inb4 excuses

>>17473298
>scanner on its last legs
>using a suboptimal program to scan because reasons
>suboptimal program to fix color on pages and assemble pdf because same reasons
Hence why the project's not done, get a new scanner, get my preferred programs, start over. I think the images as posted are after like three compressions anyhow.

>>17473309
Don't forget, you're here forever.

>>17473293
>it's all in your head

Fuck this psychological bullshit. Show me results in the real world that could be verified by a third party.

>>17473298
simmer

>>17473260
>this post

>>17473271
Prove you aren't the same person who posts this shit in every thread and I'll bury you in a mountain of evidence

>>17473316
You're going to have to define what you think it all is and also give a single example of a thing that is not all in your head AND is not limited by intersubjectivity.

>>17473316
I just asked if you want to help me devise an instrument of measure, you can pitch in or complain harder while waiting for others to do actual work.

>>17473310
The Secret School of Wisdom – The Authentic Rituals and Doctrines of the Illuminati ePub Edition

DRM protected file
£15.00

>>17473328
You know what the fuck I mean.
>>17473329
Perform a Goetic evocation (peculiar to the nature of the entity) to influence a public figure in a prespecified way. That would be a decent start

>>17473336
Shit when did that come out? Last I checked there wasn't a copy. Got a good DRM breaker?

>>17473324
>I'll bury you in a mountain of evidence
I'm a different anon, I'd be interested to see this evidence of yours.

>>17473343
https://apprenticealf.wordpress.com/

M8 b kool

>>17473339
Not lab controlled, verifying the psychological model would go a long way into placing occultism writ large next to the contemplative traditions in Tibet and among the Hebrews, along with a handful of others that are getting actual attention from the academic community. Sufis and Catholic Nuns have gone under the Neurocognitive microscope, not sure what's been up the last three years or so, should probably play catch up with the lit.

>>17473339
No I don't and that is the problem. How can you believe anything is verifiable when you can't even verify that the words we are using mean the same thing. Communication is entirely in how it is received and what the intend of the speaker was, is for all intensive porpoises, irrelevant except to illustrate my point and further rustle you. My inner demons are more jewish in their debate tactics than you, you really need to step it up here.